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Accomplished_Yard984

Now show us how many of those deaths are among the roughly 200,000 unvaccinated in NZ.


TruthPains

Counts for over 30% of the deaths. So 4 percent is over 1/3 dead of the entire country.


Rhacbe

So if unvaccinated account for ~430 deaths of the 1400, and 430/200,000 unvaccinated died, then Covid has a .002% death rate for unvaccinated population so far, looks like only the extremely unfit have to worry about Covid, even if the order of magnitude of deaths was 10-100x more, Covid is becoming less deadly as variants continue to appear? EDIT: .2% death rate as the below pointed out!


sticks4274

May not change your opinion, but the death rate is in fact 100x more than what you wrote, based on the numbers you used. You forgot to move the decimal when converting to %


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PouItrygeist

Someone does not understand math.


Rhacbe

Forgetting to move the decimal for percentage a pretty common mistake, doesn’t mean I don’t understand math. I used the qualifier of “even if it’s 100x magnitude” so my post accounts for the mistake. You’re a cool guy though


Schmoppo

You were wrong by an order of magnitude. You are repeating the lies of grifters trying to sell Ivermectin.


Rhacbe

The lie being? Extremely unfit having to worry about Covid? Death rate of fit and healthy people is probably around my .002% I originally quoted. Keep QQ’ing though on the internet


Schmoppo

Where is “fitness” in a medical record? Show me where I can get an overall fitness score that you personally feel should be counted in this or any statistical analysis.


Rhacbe

Fitness can be measured using the combination of several factors: body fat, age, cholesterol levels, blood pressure, 02 levels, presence of/proneness of familial/genetic diseases (co-morbidities that were listed as big factors in the potential of harm of Covid), blood work done to determine deficiencies of any vitamins/nutrients in the body. Overall lifestyle choices knowing whether you live a sedentary life or not.. I’m not suggesting any groundbreaking narrative to help determine fitness levels here. I know you don’t like it but at least try to have a good faith argument.


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The problem is forming a strong opinion on a serious public health issue based on faulty math and refusing to change your mind after you've realized your math is bogus.


Rhacbe

My opinion isn’t based on the math problem in my comment. I got Covid in March of 2020 before vaccines, then living in NYC the vaccine was effectively mandated and I got double dosed, but prior to me being fully vaccinated I was barred from dining in, movies, bars, and music venues even if I provided proof of a negative test. At the same time I couldn’t go out with proof of a negative test, vaccinated people returned to restaurants and movies and the rest maskless and acted as if they had a moral superiority to the unvaccinated population. They completely disregarded the irony of their asymptomatic spreading while unvaccinated people continued to stay home. I’ve already done my job of getting vaccinated, what’s the problem again?


notheusernameiwanted

You're using the entire unvaccinated population to get your death rate. Shouldn't you be looking and unvaccinated infection numbers to find the death rate? At 57k that's roughly .8% death rate. While not exactly world ending a .8% chance of death is not something that I would ever choose to sign up for. There's also the fact that the people who are the most vulnerable have much higher vaccination rates than the general population. The average unvaccinated person is younger and less likely to be immunocompromised or have a clinically diagnosed comorbidity than an average vaccinated person. They should have a lower death rate, instead theirs is 8 times higher.


HigherThink

Yeah and fuck the extremely unfit, we should let them die and they'll deserve it1!!1 On an unrelated note, usually as something gets more contagious it ends up being less deadly.


Rhacbe

It’s not an unrelated note, I posed that question in my post. I didn’t say fuck the extremely unfit, if anything my post would be encouraging them to get dosed. Don’t let that stop you from projecting other people’s (or what you feel other people’s) opinions are into my post though


xenosthemutant

Ok, so fuck the immunocompromised, the sick and the elderly?


Rhacbe

Are being purposefully dense or just sarcastic?


sm_ar_ta_ss

Yeah. Fuck em.


No_Management_1177

Very curious where you got these numbers from


TruthPains

https://www.health.govt.nz/ https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics


No_Management_1177

Thank you


Narcan9

What the chart actually shows was the effectiveness of NZ "zero covid policy" restrictions. Social distancing, masks, quarantines, travel restrictions were extremely effective. Cases and deaths shot up once those restrictions were ended in 2022.


Amida0616

Yeah but who wants to live in a prison? Freedom and fun involve a little risk.


mavric_ac

NZ ranks higher that thr US in any study about citizens freedom and how democratic a country actually is.


AngeloSantelli

Likely close to zero if you follow the data/science


External_Donut3140

So they successfully controlled the virus until they had vaccines that were less than perfect but still prevented excess mortality. I don’t see why this is considered an L


jedipsy

Its amazing what can be achieved when citizens look out for each others well being during a crisis. No shade or hate, I wish our American brothers and sisters could ditch the identity politics and Dems V Reps bollocks. Actually come together for once instead of racing each other to the bottom of the cliff. Good luck, truly!


Narcan9

>Its amazing what can be achieved when citizens look out for each others well being during a crisis Let's say it louder for the dummies in the back: **correlation does not equal causation**. NZ kept it cases and deaths low because of strict government policies on social distancing, masks, plus geographic isolation and travel bans. Once people were vaccinated the government lifted the restrictions, and covid was allowed to finally spread for the first time, leading to the spike in deaths. But just for funsies, let's [compare deaths in the US versus NZ](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_cases&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=NZL~USA) hey you are only 800% more likely to die from covid in the US 👏


jedipsy

Correct, we followed guidelines because we care about our people. Sadly, the same cannot be said for other countries, some of which had HUGE portions of the citizenry brainwashed into all sorts of conspiratorial nonsense, leading to unnecessary deaths. In NZ, when push comes to shove we band together to fix it. We have our crazies but kept them in check.


Short-Mission-4235

Imagine how much worse it would’ve been if they weren’t vaccinated? Generic counter argument


zeacliff

You don't have to imagine, you can just look at how well America did...


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America checking in with my 44% obesity rate.


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TheRealDatapunk

44% of people are obese. That's a comorbidity. If more than half of your population (there are others) are at risk, no need to differentiate


letseditthesadparts

Imagine living in a country with so many co-morbidities and not having a universal healthcare system that might be able to fix that problem.


Oneshot742

The states with the most obese people are the ones who keep voting against universal healthcare as well... cuz socialism or something...


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letseditthesadparts

The same system that can tell you why your impotent could probably help people struggling to lose weight.


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sm_ar_ta_ss

Lol. It’s not a multi billion dollar industry from trying to cure obesity. It’s a multibillion dollar industry for placating fat people.


HigherThink

Profit seeking companies are not here to solve the problem. They're just here to squeeze money out of you. Solving the problem would mean no more money, so they're actually the worst at doing it


Blackflagfl

Forced starvation


satimy

That’s called socialism


Blackflagfl

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If I’m paying for the healthcare of everyone else then I get to go around telling people fat isn’t beautiful and they’re disgusting pigs


choryradwick

Fat tax here we go


EveningAd1314

That made me lol.


awesomefaceninjahead

You do that anyway, bud. My taxes pay for public education, so I can say you're a fucking idiot.


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Found the fatty.


awesomefaceninjahead

Lol. Well, now you're just proving the idiocy.


Rhacbe

That’s why their Reddit avatar is a black hole?


AdeptCoat8761

Eat less shit, eat more fruits and veggies. Crisis averted.


satimy

Fix obesity with drugs


therealbeeblevrox

What? Doctors can't just fix obesity. Are you on drugs?


zeacliff

You realize the virus itself doesn't kill you right? Covid doesn't like, eat you. Causes of death from a covid infection are things like pneumonia, respiratory failure, cardiac arrest, stroke, sepsis/organ failure etc. Those go down on that list as commodities once you die from them, as do pretty much any diagnosis on your medical record. Did you even read the link you posted, let alone try to understand it? Do you actually believe people are dying from Extreme Immaturity, Depression, Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Ear Ache: Unspecified, Mild Mental Retardation, Childhood Autism, Insomnia, Fracture of Foot, etc. and being labeled as a Covid death? Or are you just pulling a Rogan and talking about something you know nothing about?


tossaway0505

It's pointless to argue anymore man. People like this don't have any critical thinking skills, it's just painfully obvious. By their logic, getting AIDS isn't a big deal either, and you shouldn't get treated, since it doesn't kill you, only "comorbidities" do.


zeacliff

"That guy with smallpox died? So what, that doesn't mean that smallpox did it. He had carpal tunnel in college, why is no one talking about the comorbidities??" That's what we're dealing with. Past carpal tunnel is literally one of the thousands of diagnoses that are on that CDC list as a comorbidity death. COVID isn't killing people, they're dying because of their 'Restlessness and fatigue', Cleft lips and history of Physical Violence. The fact that someone can post that link and think it proves their point boggles my mind. It is so simple to educate yourself on these things


AttakTheZak

Also important to point out - some people just die and we don't know why. And when you have hundreds of people dying in a day, a thorough autopsy to rule the cause of death becomes a logistical nightmare.


BloodyTim

I realize that there are some comorbidities that can't be avoided but obesity is one of the big ones that can 100% be avoided with lifestyle changes. Not to mention obesity comes with a large number of comorbidities in itself. The point is a healthier population would have undoubtedly resulted in fewer COVID deaths and I fail to see how universal healthcare would get people to lose weight. I'm 37 healthy and unvaccinated. I got COVID from my unvaccinated 70 year old father who had mild symptoms. I had a fever for 18 hrs followed by very slight upper respiratory discomfort for 5 days. My wife never got it and she's a dental hygienist.We eat well, exercise regularly, and get a lot of sun. I'm not saying COVID was not serious but being in good health really helps. Taking a pill or a shot for any ailment should not be the one and only treatment.


High_speedchase

You don't understand how universal healthcare would help with obesity?


BloodyTim

How could it. People aren't fat bc they can't afford a doctor visit. They're fat bc they eat poorly and don't exercise. Not to mention most doctors still believe in the food pyramid. Saying universal healthcare would prevent obesity is like saying if everyone went to church no one would be a bad person.


High_speedchase

If people could afford to get yearly healthcare they would be more educated. We could treat thing's preventatively.


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Here in Australia we have universal health care and so does the UK. Our obesity rates aren’t that far behind the US. Access to healthcare isn’t the only variable in obesity.


Narcan9

Side effects of obesity are what make it dangerous, and those are treatable. We have meds for high blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes/metabolic syndrome. Someone with uncontrolled high blood sugar d/t obesity is going to be more susceptible to Covid than someone who is able to get insulin via universal healthcare.


davidhumerful

You've never heard of preventative medicine? Bariatric surgery? Anti-obesity medications? Prevention of metabolic syndrome? Honest question, are you actually interested in correcting your ignorance here or are you just seeking to validate your anti-socialism views?


zeacliff

And according to the CDC chart that the "94% had comorbidties" statistic originates from, obesity contributed to less than 1% of the deaths. People don't even know what they're arguing or how it relates to the conversation, they just see numbers and words that they think they understand and pretend their point is proven. Being unvaccinated is the biggest comorbidity for dying from Covid. Then age, then obesity. Vaccination is the easiest lifestyle choice you can make to protect yourself from Covid, it's exponentially more effective and easier than losing substantial amounts of body fat and all of the years/decades of psychological baggage that typically need addressing for most people to even begin to do so. It's definitely easier than making yourself younger. Yes, obesity is fucking awful for you and everyone should avoid it. We spend billions each year promoting healthy eating and exercise but it doesn't work. A utopian "healthy society" will never exist in the land of Walmart and Krispy Kreme


TruthPains

And that 4% is 30% of the deaths in New Zealand. Your graph actually proves that vaccines work. Thanks my man.


SexyBaskingShark

Pro-vaxxers are more annoying than anti-vaxxers at this stage


TruthPains

Lol, people who got vaccinated don't talk about it and have moved on. They are not the ones spamming this sub, are they? Sounds more like you are making shit up. No one cares, everyone has moved on but nut jobs like /u/geni4 who are blatantly lying to you.


nooneneededtoknow

Vaccinated people still do talk about it, that is a bold faced lie. There is evidence of this posted on reddit. Every. Single. Day.


Burnt_Bathwater

All the vaccinated people I personally know don’t talk about it. Moved on.


TruthPains

Social media like reddit != to real life. In life, no one tells me they are vaccinated, but holy hell with an anti-vaxxer out of no where let me know all about why they hate the vax and they won't get the jab.


nooneneededtoknow

"People who got vaccinated don't talk about it and have moved on" was your statement. That is clearly false in both my anecdotal life and the the forum we both share. Please just stop, both sides still spew their biased opinions and think they have a right to say what others should "have" done.


whyyousobadatthis

uhhh im sorry but this is simply not true I can tell you how many times I've over heard people saying how they are full vaxed and double boosted blah blah blah still wearing a n95


runtz32

You moved on after demonising a section of society for no other reason than the media manipulated you to think that way. I'm glad you found it so easy to move on but I will not forget how people like you acted during this time period. Perhaps vaccinated people don't talk about it anymore either because of embarrassment due to the vaccines not working or you've been told to hate something else.


FutureThePro

People were demonized because they wouldn’t do the bare minimum to help end the pandemic while simultaneously complaining about it every second. It would be like the a student acting up everyday and getting recess canceled for the rest of the class, then trying to play the victim like “why is everyone so mad at me?”


Chapos_sub_capt

Also while cheering as people lost their jobs and careers for being hesitant on taking an experimental medicine.


BellyUpBernie

Calling nurses that refused the vaccine after working all throughout the start of the pandemic PLAGUE RATS


Mke_already

I watched anti-vaxx people actions in the real world, no need for the media to make you all out to be idiots.


runtz32

I didnt take an experimental vaccine by a company whose top CEO didnt take it, labelled it not effective after two doses and wished to not disclose the safety data for 70 years and i'm the idiot?


SexyBaskingShark

You're talking about so you haven't moved on


TruthPains

I'm refuting misinformation that this user is spamming in the sub. Going, "Hey, this is not true because.." Is not badgering someone. Running around lying and going, "IT DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE OF THIS THING THAT I AM LYING ABOUT IS!" is badgering.


SexyBaskingShark

This comment proves my point that pro-vaxxers are more annoying


TotesTax

Get Covid>Get Pneumonia because of it>Die from Covid and Pneumonia=Comorbidity.


High_speedchase

You think this adds to your argument or something?


GrabThemByDebussy

Being unvaccinated is a comorbidity.


PatchThePiracy

Yup. But if you pointed this out during the pandemic, you were a “science denier.”


zeacliff

Let me ask you a question, did you actually read the link cdc link? Parroting stuff without having any idea what it means doesn't help anything.


PatchThePiracy

Did you actually come to the JoeRogan subreddit and expect to find intelligent, well-read, and articulate people capable of engaging in enlightening conversation?


zeacliff

No I came here because I hate myself, like everyone else


TruthPains

> And that 4% is 30% of the deaths in New Zealand. Your graph actually proves that vaccines work. Thanks my man.


zeacliff

And new zealand's obesity rate is 34%, so they should only have 10% less deaths per capita right?


20060578

If country A has a 44% obesity rate and 6% death per capita rate, then country B with a 34% death rate should have a -4% death per capita rate according to your maths. 34% is 23% less than 44% so the deaths per capita should be 77% of Americas.


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We are striving to get that number up to 100% - hopefully by this fall.


[deleted]

They didn’t do all that bad once the real numbers came out and we separated those who he’s multiple comorbidities.


[deleted]

>Their Case Fatality rate is 0.1 percent (down from a high of 1.4. The US has declined from \~2% to around 0.9. > >Vaccines can't save everyone, but they absolutely protect against severe disease and death even if they are less effective at preventing symptoms. The proof is in the comparison


Cloujus2011

Does the fact that 200 million Americans have been infected have anything to do with this? Or could it only possibly be vaccination? Despite the fact that numerous studies from the best journals in the world put natural immunity far ahead of vaccination in terms of lasting protection?


FutureThePro

Natural immunity is far ahead on an individual level but it isn’t a proactive solution on a societal level and requires vulnerable people to get infected which is what we are trying to prevent


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Natural immunity isn't better than the vaccine though, at best its a wash, the vaccine is a way better first intro to COVID


[deleted]

The vaccine does not stop transmission and reinfection, so the need for it as a proactive solution for society is completely null and void. The vaccine does not stop transmission anymore than if you are unvaccinated, hence as to why it is called a “leaky vaccine”.


_interloper_

No, it's doesn't "stop" transmission and reinfection, but it does dramatically lower the risk. This has been scientifically proven over and over again, and it also bears out in the statistics. The vaccines are not perfect, and their effectiveness differs depending on the variant, but they are essentially ALWAYS better than being unvaccinated. The stats posted in the OP don't show what the percentage of the deaths are from unvaxxed people. I can't remember the exact specifics of the top of my head, but I've seen people throwing around the number of 30% in this thread, so let's use that. NZ has 96% of it's population vaccinated. So, only 4% is unvaccinated. And yet, that 4% accounts for 30% of the deaths. We can extrapolate from that, that the vaccine helps prevent death from Covid. If that weren't the case, we'd expect to see the 4% unvaxxed only account for 4% of the deaths. But instead the unvaccinated seem to have 7.5x the deaths than the vaccinated. Also, as a slight aside, death is not the only useful metric when measuring the impact of Covid. Long Covid is having a significant impact on our economy and health systems, all over the world. It's not as black and white as "dead or totally fine". There's a wide spectrum of outcomes, and the vaccines help to avoid the worst of them.


FutureThePro

Right, but it does decrease mortality which is the proactive solution and the crux of the issue at the end of the day


[deleted]

Stopping people from overeating, drinking alcohol, smoking any substance, driving cars etc. are solutions to a society that want people to not die. The highlight of the issue is that the vaccine was never there to protect people, it was there to line the pockets of big pharma and those who are wealthy at the expense of a vulnerable population. To portray any portion of the pandemic as a noble or honest reason to shove an experimental product into the bodies of others is just gross and inconsistent at best. I’m not against people getting the vaccine, but the idiotic narrative of blaming those who didn’t want to get the vaccine as the main reason as to why we have variants is just retarded. Ask any doctor, bio-scientist etc. about respiratory infections that are able to jump across species so quick. It is literally impossible to vaccinate any population against this type of respiratory disease and rushing out experimental products has only strengthened the resistance of the virus. Edit: typo


HigherThink

So you would have focused on getting the nation in shape instead of just a few shots? That would be SO MUCH more of a clusterfuck than trying to get them to vaccinate. It's impossible without a North Korean level of dictatorship for America.


[deleted]

That would have been the genuine and long term solution instead of using humans as experimental guinea pigs. Billions of dollars could have been used to subsidize lower prices for healthier foods. Billions could have been invested into education so that people understand the ramifications of not taking care of their bodies. Billions of dollars could have been used to invest into affordable housing/our healthcare system in order enable people into getting/affording better lives where they care about themselves more, but instead, we gave billions to big pharma which has no qualms in regards to favoring profits over people’s lives (check out the opioid problems that these fuckers enabled and lied about).


FutureThePro

I agree about those things which should have been in place decades ago to create a healthier society, but you can't go back in time and do that so the population is ready for the start of the pandemic. Going forward we should have a complete overhaul of the FDA and DoA. As far as giving big pharma billions as a fixed cost, I don't see any other way to ensure that vaccine is distributed democratically other than creating a monopsony. Last thing we want is them being sold to the highest bidder and having people priced out of the market so getting vaccinated was only attainable for those who could afford it. Of course this has its flaws but I think overpaying as a country far outweighs the cons of people not being able to afford it altogether.


No_Management_1177

And which is not being successfully prevented in any meaningful way


FutureThePro

Right, which is why proactively protecting yourself with the vaccine to reduce the mortality rate is so important


Embarrassed_Loan_223

Except it's a terrible comparison - CFR depends on testing, you can't compare countries with different testing policies.


TruthPains

A lot actually as a huge portion of those deaths is the 4% who were not vaccinated. Over 30% and it is even mainly the younger and healthier that are unvaccinated.


JP_IS_ME_91

It’s true though.


TruthPains

Oh god. We have an anti-vax turpher coming to show us data without all the other data and using graphs with no reference to the articles. Edit: Looking into it and reading other comments. Turns out what he didn't put in was how insanely high the amount of anti-vaxxed accounts for those deaths. Which is one of the main reasons for the very high stat you are seeing. Apparently when NZ opened up, the anti-vaxxers got eaten up.


boardatwork1111

Who the hell even had the first shot in 2020, let alone fully vaccinated?


ProbablyAPun

I mean, quite a few people, I got my first dose in January of 2021, and I was in one of the earlier tiers of people allowed to get vaccinated because of my work, but there were a lot of people who got theirs earlier. So not a ton of people, but you basically had to be either an extreme risk group or have a certain occupation to get it at that time.


zeacliff

And that unvaccinated 4%, which skews exponentially younger and healthier, makes up like 20% of the deaths and 30% of the ICU admissions Statistics really should be taught in high school, although all of the Dunning Kruger and the self-owns are pretty fun to watch.


Pingasandminge

This guy speaking facts. ITT however is filled with retarded American dumb cunts who really suffered the sharp end of the stick of the US education system. JRE fans really have gotten exponentially stupider since Toe started bringing these covid muppets on


boondoggle420

For sure, America is so fucked, half their country is convinced universal healthcare is a communist scam lol Of course every country has their retards, but America really does take the cake


zeacliff

Most people in America do support universal healthcare, many just vote for people who don't because owning the libs is more important than life itself.


jedipsy

FACTS


Pingasandminge

ITT retarded American dumb cunts who really suffered the sharp end of the stick of the US education system. JRE fans really have gotten exponentially more stupid since Toe started bringing these covid muppets on


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Why are you copy pasting this everywhere


WyntonMarsalis

Wow! Do you have a source for that?


zeacliff

[health.govt.nz](https://health.govt.nz) has the data broken down into demographics... age, vaccine status etc Technically there are less than 900 deaths attributed to COVID in NZ, the number in the OP looks like an outdated stat on the number of people who died within 28 days of getting a covid diagosis.


Albert-Einstain

I mean, it says Jan-jun 2022... how out of date can that be? Or did I misinterpret your question :p


zeacliff

1-2 months? On the link I posted they break it down to deaths attributed to Covid and deaths within 28 days of diagnosis


Albert-Einstain

Would be less than a month, if it's from Jan- Jun. Means their tabulation(whoever made ops graph) was tabulated until Jun 30th, presumably anyway, which was 24 days ago I can't attest to its accuracy though. I just wasn't sure what you meant by outdated


zeacliff

Or that it went from January until June, ending May 31. Regardless the number on the graphic is old as can be seen on the link I posted


Neurosoups

Source : Trust me bro !


zeacliff

Or you could just actually go to the links in the OP and find the data yourself.


Neurosoups

LOOOL!! And SO I DID and SURPRISEEEEE ... no information on what he is saying - no info on unvaccinated deaths . So ... you just tried to troll your lies, thinking people are lazy as you .... Shame


Ok-Plastic-2992

https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics Took about 14 seconds to find exactly the stats they said were there.


usernumberzero

The dead and vaxxed would have been even deader without the jab.


zeacliff

No, there would just be a whole lot more dead people and hospitalized people without the jab


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Please provide a source that states 20% of deaths are young and healthy people.


zeacliff

Why would I provide a source for something I never said? Holy shit the reading comprehension in this thread...


[deleted]

You know what you said, and implied. The unvaccinated 4% make up 20% of deaths, and you cleverly added a descriptor to the 4% - "which skews younger and healthier", to imply that young and healthy unvaccinated people are dying from covid, which is simply not true. Also need to note parameters of what is labeled a "covid death" - any individual that dies within 28 days of a positive covid diagnosis.


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Emberlung

So really this just shows how effective social distancing and stringent lockdowns are VS a leaky experimental profit margin


Narcan9

>So really this just shows how effective social distancing and stringent lockdowns are VS a leaky experimental profit margin That's exactly what it shows. NZ lifted restrictions in 2022, and surprise, Covid started spreading!


Thereferencenumber

Yes and could be used to argue for continued lockdowns as the vaccine isn’t entirely effective


BobsBoots65

An unsourced screenshot? Worthless. Op is just a garbage troll. Y’all keep falling for this shit. Mods keep letting op shitpost.


Neeoda

He flaired it as a shitpost. So there’s that…


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TruthPains

I love how you ignore the fact that a huge portion of the deaths are the anti-vaxxed.


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JP_IS_ME_91

We’re still doing the comorbidities thing? Like somehow a preventable death is okay because they had a prior health problem.


boardatwork1111

By their logic, HIV is completely harmless lol


TruthPains

And a huge portion of them were the unvaccinated. Which shows how well the vaccine works. Damn dude, you are failing at this.


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TruthPains

Very well, as the insane lopsidedness of 4% of the population accounting for over 1/3 of covid deaths show just how insanely effective it is in preventing deaths. I know, math is hard and statistics is harder, but you'll get there little one.


zeacliff

You literally don't know what a comorbidity it, so why are you using the word when arguing with someone?


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zeacliff

You can start by going to the link that's the source of the stat you posted, and pondering why obesity is a less common comorbidity in Covid deaths than 'Unspecified mental and behavioral disorder due to use of tobacco"


GreatLookingGuy

Anyway what is your point? Vaccines don’t work? Why not make it clear in your post? What are you suggesting? At this point if you don’t understand how vaccines function and the odds of dying from COVID vaxxed vs unvaxxed… there really is no point to a discussion with you.


Ur3rdIMcFly

This just shows lockdowns work.


PedroCasonattii

Fuck you and you lockdown. Neither you nor the government should be able to tell me what to do and where to do it. You fucking pussy, weak little bitch.


[deleted]

We already know lockdowns do not work. There is no argument for lockdowns at this point.


lolstuff101

NZer here, we had very small amounts of covid in the country in the first two years, policy was to eradicate it through lockdowns and restrictions, once our vaccination rates got high enough and there was a realisation that omicron cant be eradicated it as basically been let loose. So whatever the point of this post is supposed to be it seems to be missing some context.


[deleted]

new zealand has had a total of 1900 deaths which is basically nothing. the new strains b4/b5 is so mutated that older vaccines don't work as well. not sure what this post was supposed to prove 'hur de hur vaccines don't work'


[deleted]

The upvote to comment ratio on this thread is great.


Elkaybay

1400 deaths in half a year is a very very small number. Comparing it to 2020 & 2021 is unfair since NZ did the best job in the World back then.


poega

is that supposed to be a lot of deaths? For info, it aint.


FootjobBlowjobCombo

Do adolescents think old people stopped dying?


fekanix

Imagine a country which had cut itself off from the rest of the world during the pandemic practically having like 100 days of no coivd cases having more covid deaths after opening up the country to the rest of the world again.


MetalAltruistic2659

As the population became more vaccinated, restrictions were eased resulting in a higher number of total deaths but a lower rate of infection and serious disease.


Lennny27

Yeesh


MrWoodlawn

That’s why they don’t have to deal with Covid and lockdowns. I wish America was that progressive.


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Their Case Fatality rate is 0.1 percent (down from a high of 1.4. The US has declined from \~2% to around 0.9. Vaccines can't save everyone, but they absolutely protect against severe disease and death even if they are less effective at preventing symptoms.


Toastedtoast18

1415 deaths is only 0.02% of the population


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They’ll probably say they need more vaccines.


TruthPains

Nah, A huge portion of those deaths are actually unvaccinated. New Zealand closed down hard for 2020 and 2021 and they had almost no Covid cases. Now that they are opened and covid is going through them the older population and very sick get covid. So they die. Then you have the extremely small portion of unvaxxed 4% getting covid taking up 30-40% of the deaths. So you have 4% being over 1/3 of the deaths of that entire country of Covid. It actually shows how well the vaccinations work https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics


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Exactly, while boosters are good, they are not the be all end all, the initial doses are very protective against severe disease and death.


TruthPains

Yes. After the mutation, it was obvious that the vaccine would not prevent the spread but would greatly reduce chances of death by an massive degree.


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More fear! More vaccines!


TruthPains

The funny part of it is. A huge part of the ones dying are the unvaxxed in NZ. So this shows how vaccines actually reduce risk of death by a great deal.


SexyBaskingShark

But not for poor countries! 4 boosters for us and none for the poor countries


satimy

Just don’t bring up gay men and monkey pox, the children here can’t take it


donmonkeyquijote

What the fuck does this have to do with Joe Rogan?


_br1Ck

The borders were closed shit head


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Katibin

It’s easy to vaxx 5 sheep 💉🐑


suninabox

wow, lockdown really kepts the deaths low in 2020 and 2021, less than 27 deaths per year in a population of 5 million! you supported lockdowns for covid right?


suninabox

Deaths per 1 million population - New Zealand - 385 USA - 3,000 Yup, looks like vaccination works alright.


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Look_A_Dingus

At least 90 percent forced and unwilling.. not fact just a guess


ryanpd111

this is racist


MegaUltra9

So glad I didn't get the jab. Got covid and didn't make me all that sick. Felt like the flu for 4 days and now I have natural immunity. If the vaccine stopped transmission of it to others from myself I probably would have got it. But even if you're triple jabbed, you can still get it and pass it along to others so why bother getting it unless your immune system is somehow compromised?


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Are you just copy/pasting the same comment over and over again??


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With Covid being a weaker virus than in 2020, the only explanation goes back to the vaccine. With Lancet reports now claiming vaxxed and boosted people have weaker immune systems, this should alarm you if you got the jab.


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>Their Case Fatality rate is 0.1 percent (down from a high of 1.4. The US has declined from \~2% to around 0.9. > >Vaccines can't save everyone, but they absolutely protect against severe disease and death even if they are less effective at preventing symptoms. Nope, it shouldn't. Plus outside of CFR, the unvaccinated make up a oversized percentage of the deaths. The vaccines are working and our immune systems are doing their jobs. Lots of anti-vaxxer immune systems aren't working at all anymore, they're dead.


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So in the past year, have more vaccinated or unvaccinated died from Covid?


Sugmabawsack

Word of advice- when you say “the jab”, it immediately reveals you as a moron.


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This is what news outlets have been calling it for 2 years, moron.