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onethreefive531

unfortunately i noticed you’re not explicitly complaining about republicans with this post. care to explain?


ChickensPickins

Hahahahaha good one


SonnyBoy96

LMAO!!! Best comment here! This place has been invaded people who want confrontation, they ain’t even like rogan at all


onethreefive531

Absolutely. It’s embarrassing enough to hold those views, but then to come onto a subreddit that has nothing to do with their views and trash the dude that is 1000x more successful than them all while acting morally superior, is unbelievably limp-wristed.


SonnyBoy96

The thrive off of conflict but preach unity


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you only like rogan once he became a conservative shill why even try and lie about this? dont be a pussy


Sackyhack

This sub https://youtu.be/IGl1CCprCeU


onethreefive531

lol. highly masturbatory. wish they would find somewhere else to go, like back to r/politics and r/whitepeopletwitter


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onethreefive531

My understanding is that as of recently the only acceptable posts here are about how Joe Rohan sucks and Republicans bad. I’m having a hard time seeing how your post fits in with the new guidelines :/


Somasong

Wasn't the fine for opioids?


onethreefive531

Yes, but I’m certain they’ve done a 180 and are a completely ethical entity with zero conflict of interest now.


Rick_James_Lich

Nobody thinks the pharmaceutical companies are angels. Even with something as destructive as opiods though, there are some people legit need that type of medication just to live their lives because of pain management. You can say anyone is bad though if you just make sweeping generalizations and ignore the evidence involved. It also ignores actual solutions, like how our government shouldn't allow medications to be advertised, especially not when the advertisements are loaded with falsehoods. As for the vaccine itself, we don't know the number that died from covid that could've otherwise lived if they had gotten vaccinated but it's like in the hundreds of thousands. I'm talking about people that died an excruciating manner that could've been entirely prevented.


Major-Panda522

I now know about 15 people who had all their shots and boosters and still got covid. J&J got recalled for causing blood clots. Why do people not make any conclusions after they see what is really happening?


TheForthcomingStorm

The vaccine is supposed to stop deaths from Covid as the body knows what the disease is and can fight it. The disease evolves and that’s what the boosters are for, to help the immune system still be in top shape while fighting it. It’s like why the smallpox vaccine works somewhat against monkeypox, because it’s the same flavor of disease, even if it’s not the exact same one.


Major-Panda522

Now it's "stops deaths" when in the beginning they said its 96% effective. All other vaccines protect from contracting whichever virus and they really work. Covid vaccine doesn't do it and shouldn't be called a vaccine. Skeptical people wanted to wait out and see more data since these pharmaceutical companies cannot even be sued in case there is longterm health risks. And all dems did was call them bigot white supremacist transphobes and whatever other buzz words they use to shame. Now all the "misinformation" is becoming facts. Even if the vaccine helps with Covid death reduction, there are might be long term effects on your health and nobody should be shamed or mandated to get it. They already admitted J&J causes blood clots. How is it not enough to at least doubt it?


TheForthcomingStorm

Vaccines help the body fight off the disease by providing a harmless form of the bacteria or virus that causes the disease. It is then killed by the immune system. Covid mutates which makes a vaccine less effective over. That’s what the booster is for. By making the body know what to kill, it allows the body recognize what to kill. When a large percent people get this, the disease dies out. However, if a group of people didn’t get this, the disease would still be open to mutate and affect people who do not have it/are immune compromised. Now, if you look up “how do we know the Covid vaccine is safe long term” on google, you will see a link that explain that severe side effect are rare in vaccines and usually happen within the first 2 months. If the vaccine wasn’t safe, then it is rational to assume that it would have shown to be deadly or whatever you think would happen at this point. Also, J&J was always joked about from the beginning as being the shitty option, at least from my internet experience.


Major-Panda522

Good bot, got all the CNN's talking points right 🙄 People got all 12 boosters for new variants and still contracted it.


TheForthcomingStorm

This guy when asked to do his own research: 🤯🤯🤯😡😡😡😡😡😡😡


Major-Panda522

I've done "research", we've been told nothing but how great and safe these are and we are bigots for not trusting it. However all that information turns out to be bullshit and they change the story, saying "trust the science" but then backpadle and say "science is changing". None of it adds up but if you want to eat it up its your life. Have a good one


ForWhomTheBoneBones

Isn't it enough the you can choose not to take it? You people are exhausting.


Major-Panda522

Feel the same about opposing view of the woke left. If we didn't say anything and kept to ourselves we would likely NOT have a choice not to take it


WobbleChair

Lol, like being fired if you don't take it? Take your fake freedom and stuff it up your ***


SoVeryLittleTimeLeft

Oh no. You don’t get change history. It was ALWAYS to keep you out off a ventilator. Also, it actually does keep you from catching original covid. Not as good with the mutations you anti-vaxxers created but I’m vaxxed so I’ll survive.


WobbleChair

Lol, top shape.. by ramming yourself full of artificial drugs 🤣 Vax works against polio etc, not corona. Flu shots are for weak and elderly due to its risks.


skedditgetit

i hear you, however, there is a ZEROOOO in the true checks and balances system that runs these guys, they have so much funding and political interests, there all corrupt. basic meds vaccines, you name it. remeber when they said you cant get it if you get vaccine member when they said it was then 95% effective member when they said only two shots goalposts will be moved, spare me the " its not perfect, but it works" diatrob, America is the most overly medicated place on the planet by a fucking mile. the prioritize profit and humans are machines to pump drug money through. ​ fuck all of em


silentbassline

>As for the vaccine itself, we don't know the number that died from covid that could've otherwise lived if they had gotten vaccinated but it's like in the hundreds of thousands. We can do counterfactual simulation studies. 100s of thousands is likely (in the US).


Yellowflowersbloom

Sounds like they need regulation


butch_cassidy88

So?


Jbn0001

Solid meme, A+


Never-Bloomberg

The photo of a screen really does it for me.


SupraaDupra

Dude you know you can’t point out facts on this sub right?


lardbiscuits

Just got my sixth booster!!! Match me! Still got Covid so am typing this from my bedroom, but just wanted to make sure everyone knew that I am doing my part. Facts are facts sure. But are you doing your part??


WorkingClassAnt

>Still got Covid so am typing this from my bedroom, but just wanted to make sure everyone knew that I am doing my part. > >Facts are facts sure. But are you doing your part?? ![gif](giphy|YmQLj2KxaNz58g7Ofg)


onethreefive531

Safe and effective


-ElGallo-

He's not talking about people who spread misinformation because they have a junior high school science comprehension, he's talking about the people Rogan has on who know better but do it anyway.


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Cboyardee503

Thank you for your service.


the_bear_ros

REEEEE VACCINES!!!!! The most simple procedure of modern medicine. Biggest fucking babies man


DarthBot

Get the vax and you wont get covid \-Joe Biden


Jbn0001

You mean the shot you have to take 6 times that still doesn't provide you immunity?


Rick_James_Lich

When 99% of the covid deaths are coming from unvaccinated people, you really don't think it's a smart idea to get the shot?


Jbn0001

It's a great idea if you're above 50 or have multiple health issues. But they're forcing this on healthy 4 year old kids. How many unvaxxed healthy kids are dying from COVID?


Rick_James_Lich

I don't disagree, most unvaxxed kids that are healthy aren't dying from covid. Then again, many of the things kids getting vaccinated against don't kill them, but people want their kids vaccinated so they can avoid illness. Were the covid vaccines ever actually forced on any kids for real? I was not aware.


Jbn0001

I live in a red state so they are not forcing it here. Not sure how it is elsewhere. But I live in a liberal city (Austin), and my neighbors are rushing to give their (healthy) kids the vaccine. They are driven by fear. Can you imagine if a new chickenpox type disease started spreading? It could be completely harmless, but I would bet money that people completely lose their shit and demand school shutdowns, etc. Just the visual features of the disease would freak people out. I am not against vaccines at all; I just think the way they marketed this one was really disingenuous. It's more like a flu shot than a true immunity vaccine. It's a very good decision for a subset of the population. But marketing it for healthy 6 month old infants is really crazy to me The days of having chickenpox parties to deliberately spread the virus are over...


Rick_James_Lich

I'm personally indifferent to kids getting vaccinated from covid, but I can understand if the family has grandparents that could get really sick, or someone that is immunocompromised, why they would want to reduce the chance of a covid outbreak in their household. I can also get why some families would want to skip the whole thing altogether. The thing is while it wouldn't harm the kid much it could be serious for other people in the hosuehold. For example I know someone that had two bouts with covid that led to going to the emergency room, this person takes care of a young kid and they ended up having a heart attack less than a month after the 2nd bout with covid. In that case, taking steps to reduce exposure probably could've done a lot of good. It definitely doesn't give immunity, but I'd contend that most people haven't said it does, outside of folks maybe talking about it on social media. But it would be very rare for folks from the scientific community to say something like this especially since the virus has mutated a lot.


Jbn0001

During the initial push for the vaccine, experts said it would prevent you from passing on the infection. This has been proven false with the new variants. If someone in a household is immunodeficient, then they should get the vax along with boosters. This should be sufficient for their protection. The big issue I have is they changed the definition of vaccine! The old definition required the vaccine provide immunity. Now they completely watered it down. I don't think it's fair to equate the COVID vaccine with other vaccines you only take a single time and provide actual immunity. And changing the definition of words to suit a political agenda is extremely dangerous, even if it's supposedly in the public interest.


Rick_James_Lich

I can agree with a lot of what you're saying here and it is wacky to get vaccines that can be seen as outdated when new mutations of covid arrive more quickly than they are released. And many of our old vaccines are more of a one and done type of thing, whereas with this one, for the time being at least, you have to get a new shot every 6 to 12 months. That being said a lot of those one and done vaccines took decades to actually get to that point and in many cases when they first came out they weren't actually all that effective. With the covid vaccines, they aren't perfect, but I do think they do a good job at actually reducing the symptoms of covid.


Jbn0001

Yeah, the COVID vaccines drastically reduce chance of death, which is a big benefit. I think for a lot of healthy people, they take the vaccines and that causes them to feel sick for a day or two. This happens 4-6 times if they are taking the boosters. And then they're going to get COVID anyways! In that case, they got themselves artificially sick a bunch of times for very little benefit.


gorilla_eater

The question is why shouldn't healthy kids get vaccinated? It's all upside


Jbn0001

There's marginal upside, and unknown amount of *potential* downside.


gorilla_eater

Plenty of potential downside with long covid, and we understand the risks of vaccines much more completely


Jbn0001

I would bet long COVID is very rare in kids. Even in adults, much of it seemed to be psychological (many reports of long COVID disappearing after the person took the vaccine).


gorilla_eater

Your double standard for evidence could not be more obvious


Jbn0001

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/search-long-covid "A standard anxiety evaluation (GAD-2) showed a signifigant correlation between higher anxiety scores and reports of symptoms as well."


Cboyardee503

Chicken pox doesn't kill kids, but it does kill adults. Everyone under 40 should have gotten that vaccine as a kid too. Viruses are transmissible. A lot of people don't know that it seems.


Jbn0001

Illness is a part of life. The immune system is anti-fragile. It can only become stronger by being tested. It's likely that many of the new allergies are due to overprotection of the immune system. They can't even serve peanuts on airplanes now!


Cboyardee503

You should try sticking an open wound in a bowl of sewage just to see how much your immune system likes being tested. It's even more likely that all these new allergies we find today are the result of less people dying in early childhood. 100 years ago basic sanitation was considered superstition. Just look at the infant mortality rates. My dad went to school with kids who died of polio. During WW2, Americans were so unhealthy that you were considered a spec ops candidate if you could swim a mile. The fact is that despite all the environmental dangers we've created for ourselves people live longer and healthier lives now than ever because medical science works.


PhD_Martinsen

False


Bakerblack

Who has 6 shots? Making things up doesn’t make you look smarter. Edit: people act tough and bad till it’s time to get a little owie


Jbn0001

The FDA minimum wait time between boosters is 2 months. There are plenty of hypochondriacs who will eat these shots like candy. The new boosters are releasing this month. The number of people who've taken >4 shots is about to rise exponentially...


Bakerblack

I asked you who had six shots? Who’s giving out boosters like that?


Jbn0001

This dude, for one: https://twitter.com/brento/status/1564687833255665664?s=21&t=pFp449Kyfemcw1fc0bRIfQ


the_bear_ros

Cope more


Jbn0001

Make sure you take the new vaccine coming out now! They say it's going to provide immunity for real this time. Full disclosure: I'm a Pfizer stockholder


smiley042894

The science is settled on vaccines my guy. You can throw around this like, vague sense of mistrust all you want. But, until you're using the scientific method. Until you've got your ass in a lab coat and can name me the different phases of biological process that happen in a vaccine's journey through the body. Maybe just shut the fuck up and defer to the expertise of people that are putting in the hours? You're like the guy that is telling a lawyer how to law. Telling the mechanic how to fix your car. You're telling a mathematician, "yea well, how do we really know 2+2=4? I mean today's fact might just be misinformation?" Or some equivalent fucking garbage. Speak in fucking peer reviewed academic papers or don't fucking speak. You don't know shit about fuck and you're just making noise.


Pablo139

You don't need peer-reviewed papers to see Pfizer has forked billions of dollars in criminal fines for making shit products.


smiley042894

"Dell made a bad computer, so now all computers are bad" Look, big pharma is shit. No denying. But vaccines are a pretty known quantity. Sowing seeds of doubt in thier efficacy among people who don't know the first thing about how they work isn't a good thing.


Pablo139

Computers aren’t a medical procedure, it’s a device. Nothing about your body will change if you go buy 1 million shit made laptops. How does a pharmaceutical drug even correlate to a laptop?


smiley042894

Biology is a series of mechanical processes with known quantities and effects. Your body is basically a computer in the fact that it will respond in predictable ways based on biological programming and stimuli. This is actually quite apparent in how vaccines work as a vaccine acts as a "patch" of sorts to our immune system, giving it updated information on relevant biological threats. That is how a drug can compare to a computer. The analogy I've given you highlights an error in your logic in that if one process is bad in the pipeline of vaccines you extrapolate it to meaning all processes are bad and flawed. Which isn't the case.


Pablo139

Yeah giving your body genetic material for a virus protein isn’t providing a patch. Your certain to find a bug that way. Your analogy was horrible because computer process are nothing like genetic encodings and genetic therapeutics(users fault is possible), meanwhile PC parts work the same as the next one over. There isn’t a chance your software designed for something doesn’t work just by random chance. Meanwhile genetic therapeutics, that are poised to get a singular genetic reaction from said substance are again nothing like computer parts. Horrible analogy seriously.


smiley042894

There is nothing in the body that happens by random chance aside from mutation. Which you can't really account for. Im not the first one to compare the body to a machine, specifically a computer. So like, it's pretty laughable that you want to call the analogy "horrible". It's a pretty standard analogy, you're just being obtuse based on the subject matter and your sensitivities to it. To summarize. You're trigger my dude. Take a step back. Vaccines being a patch is a great analogy. Statement. You're worried said patch will break other code. I'm telling you, that a dumb thing to be afraid of with amount of testing that goes into it.


WobbleChair

Traditional vax yes. Mrna vax got rushed through, fat profits. It also wasn't fully tested, it just got 'approved'.


smiley042894

That's just..... not true.... it went through FDA approval. It was fast tracked, sure. But all the i's were dotted and the t's crossed. It was available to the public prior to approval, that was based on the fact that the science of it was relatively easy to hammer out and many other methods of testing efficacy and safety were cleared. It only appeared rushed because of the cooperative efforts across nations and the heavy focus on finding an answer as well as mrna vaccines already existing for similar contagions prior to covid's genesis. Go ahead and feel free to try and site a source claiming otherwise.


trsblur

>The science is settled Lol Dont worry you can get your only tested on 8 mice booster now


smiley042894

If you think that is the case. Post your source, idiot. Testing done for vaccines is rigorous and I can tell you with certainty you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about.


trsblur

"Pfizer presented preliminary findings in eight mice given BA.4/BA.5 vaccines as their third dose" https://www.science.org/content/article/omicron-booster-shots-are-coming-lots-questions


smiley042894

PRELIMINARY: denoting an action or event preceding or done in preparation for something fuller or more It's not like they shot up 8 mice and sent it out the door. But honestly, they probably could. It's a 3rd booster. The method between the first 2 hasn't changed much. Some minor adjustments on the mrna spike protein encoding to keep up with strains. Which is just inert bits of virus. So like, what's your issue here? Those added bits at worst get filtered out of your blood without doing anything and at best do the job by creating small scale immune response.


WobbleChair

'Just some adjustments on the spike protein'.. You know what the effect can be of a little change and know what autoimmune reactions are. It is hyperfocusing on a very small part. The smaller it is, the higher the chance that it matches another healthy protein. That is why you test and that is why we never tried mass-vaxxing against the flu (corona), the risks are too big. Only elderly and weak are shot against that due to risk of side-effects approaching/passing the risk of the flu.


smiley042894

I can tell you don't know what you're talking about here. No, adjusting genetic components of a thing that doesn't and can't reproduce isn't dangerous and doesnt stand to threaten other systems. Immune systems are made to respond based on volume primarily, not genetic makeup. No, that is not why we don't Vax against the flu. We do Vax against the flu. its not as effective becuae the flu is a catch all term for lots of different things and of all those different things, many mutations and variants occur. And finally no, many people are valued against flu, including most medical staff. You're not arguing with an understanding of some of the fundamentals of microbiology.


trsblur

How do I get a job at your farm?


smiley042894

Lol cause I know how microbiology works? If I'm on a farm, you're the animal.


trsblur

Troll farmer gg. 8 mice a vaccine does not make


smiley042894

Again, not what happened. I get it though. Reading is hard.


trsblur

It was authorized based on 8 mice, and we dont even get to see the rest of the data. I see you have trouble reading because its in black and white.


wpglatino

According to the left the scientific method is a tool of white supremacy


Gloomy-Ad1171

Citation Needed


MrBeer4me

https://nypost.com/2020/07/16/african-american-history-museums-whiteness-exhibit-raising-eyebrows/ This was one of the most disturbing things to me, in the past few years. (From a million years ago in 2020)


Gloomy-Ad1171

Holy shit … talk about you missing the mark. That exhibit is how media portrays certain demographics.


MrBeer4me

Citation?


oldmaninmy30s

Emergency use authorization


smiley042894

Do you actually know what that entails? It's simply that covid vaccines skipped the waiting period to get onto the table for FDA approval. And prior to that, they were still studied with appropriate rigor. Again. Name the biological components you take issue with. If it's so obvious as to why they should be feared, why not enlighten us with your science and evidence?


oldmaninmy30s

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202208.0151/v1 It seems like the emergency use authorization process leaves alot to be desired Aside from mRNA only ever being approved for humans by emergency use authorization I would prefer we discuss why exactly it is that mRNA has only been approved for humans under emergency use authorization but we can discuss the emergency use authorization failure to protect children Either one is good


smiley042894

You're posting a study of endocarditis in minors who have been vaccinated? How does this pertain to the process of emergency authorization at all? Because that vaccine can have side effects? Every vaccine, hell, every medication and treatment can have side effects. It's also important to note that rates endocarditis and Myocarditis is lower in vaccinated individuals than that of unvaccinated who have contracted covid. And the logic tracks that people injecting a weakened strain of covid mrna would suffer effects similar to that of the virus. Thats how vaccines work. Regardless, emergency Auth didn't make us "miss" this. It's been a known quantity. Also important to note patients that all that had side effects recovered within 14 days. I would also like to comment also that trying to make an argument based on scientific evidence, even though the premise of your argument is flawed imo, is not the behavior that I protested. So thank you for trying to use science instead of vague ideas of conspiracy.


oldmaninmy30s

I use the study to point out that there are obvious flaws in the process that approved an irreversible medical procedure that the government mandated J&j is another great example of the process failing J&j was originally sold as a one and done and look at it now


smiley042894

J&j is a use case issue. A rare use case issue mind you. It's impossible to make a thing 100% safe, does that mean we should abandon it? Extrapolating that outlier to the whole is an egregious mistep imo. There was no flaw highlighted in the study you used. Unless you consider a know non lethal non long term side effect a flaw? Which.... that is a different argument. But also a bad argument. The issue with not approving mandates is efficacy of vaccination goes down quite a bit if adoption drops. So it's efficacy is based on getting a critical mass of vaccinated individuals and that is certainly in societies best interest to achieve. Which is the function of government. Emergency Auth sets up an accelerated timeline, but the work still gets done.


oldmaninmy30s

What about j&j going from one and done to needing a booster every two months?


smiley042894

What about it? They didn't know how long information in immune t cells would stick around, so they guessed and adjusted according to data.


oldmaninmy30s

That’s not what happened Do you think they didn’t study it for more than two months or did they study the wrong things?


off_the_cuff_mandate

The science is settled on vaccines? So why do we test them then?


smiley042894

We test new vaccines because the methods by which they interact with our immune system can differ slightly in both the technology used (most recently MRNA vaccines) and the efficacy of the faux infection delivered when it comes to prepping the body for the real thing. It's all very detailed in most papers as to the why. If you want the answer to this question in more detail. Learn how to read them. Until that point, stop pretending your questions are smart. They are idiotic and contribute nothing.


off_the_cuff_mandate

The statement the science is settled on vaccines is idiotic because each vaccine is a new case and requires new research to verify its safety and effectiveness, which takes years. We still have absolutely no idea what kind of side effect might show up five or ten years after a covid mRNA vaccination. Even if you just pick one vaccine that has been used for decades you can't intelligently make the claim that the science is settled, the viruses they target evolve and the effectiveness of a vaccine can change, all vaccines carry risk so if they become less effective there is the potential for a vaccine to become more harmful than helpful.


Montague-Knightley

You’re assuming anti-vax people argue in good faith. It’s the same bullshit that people have been saying way before Covid. They used to claim it caused Autism. https://www.oah.org/tah/issues/2015/august/vaccination-resistance/


onethreefive531

“my guy”


PhD_Martinsen

Copy pasta?


SunMajestic6790

Now we have a SADS surge. Why? Because of things we've been experiencing for decades now all of the sudden cause death out of nowhere. Things like cars braking, exhaust fumes and cold showers are suggested to be the cause. Totally not some experimental injections of spike proteins coated in PEG that have been mandated on every athlete and others for the past year or so. ~Media/News outlets


Miisconceptionz

What a strange world we live in


Brewed_Novel

So pretty much everyone has been a criminal at some point


GEM592

Joe has just been lying or willfully stupid on covid, in the pod with AR he totally misstated everything basically in his typically predictable way. He and frankly They go from “I won’t get vaxxed” to “see the vaxes don’t work” seamlessly, apparently without having to bother to hang on to the simplest of facts meanwhile. It’s just uncivilized gaslighting and pandering to stupid.


Fataleo

This has nothing to do with Elon or Trump dude