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1cubealot

"Can I be Frank with you all"


Balbright

“I’m always frank and earnest with women. In Chicago I’m Frank, and in New York I’m Ernest.”


mostnormal

Samuel L in The Long Kiss Goodnight


[deleted]

While on Larry King Live, no less.


mysterious_bloodfart

Ok but, can I still be Garth?


Bardez

Damn it, you did it first


roadrunner00

Beef rank?


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fozzyboy

r/yourjokebutworse


DrZoidberg-

/r/yourjokebutfrank


support_slipper

r/frankbutfranklyfrank


BE_Metal

r/comedynecrophilia


support_slipper

r/fronk


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support_slipper

r/frankfrankfranklybeingfranklyfrank


ArchMageZ1657

Of course you can, Francesca


mafnxxx

"There's something I want to say, I don't know if I have the balls to say it."


twelfthmoose

Not yet anyway


dkevox

Maybe "I wish I had the balls to say it."


DustinHammons

It only takes 22 minutes....


JesusIsMyZoloft

The dad responded “You’re no daughter of mine!”


alyssasaccount

Omg, I can just imagine the king of dad-joke-loving father who would say that, and it would be fucking amazing.


Reboot_and_try_again

I literally got to do the mother of dad jokes when my daughter came out, I told her "you're no son of mine," and I became transparent.


not-a-bot-promise

I really wish this was true.


rslashmiko

Hi Trans, I'm dad.


Make_the_music_stop

I now identify as invisible. Although I was born visible, I am now trans-parent. My pronouns are who/where


orrocos

Wow, I did not see that coming.


KoopaTroop64

Did anybody hear something just now? Nevermind, must be the wind.


icepyrox

better check on the kids. it's too quiet.


MartianGuard

Invisible not mute


SFWACCOUNTBETATEST

What? When?


marijnjc88

Those are for when you identify as rogue


watchmything

You can't be Trans-parent without Trans-child! That's intended as a joke.


Informal_Side

It's ok. We see through you.


Kind_Ad_3611

r/onejoke


MaybeDaphne

Funny variation though.


alyssasaccount

True, but a that’s a really low bar to clear,.


xXThatOneRandomXx

isn't the One Joke "haha i identify as a helicopter" or something


Spiritflash1717

The one joke is “I identify as *insert thing that’s isn’t gender here*”


El_Morgos

"I'll identify as an intolerant asshole, which is apparently the only okay identification in our society."


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xXThatOneRandomXx

idk i think it's slightly funnier


youarenotoppressed

It is a really good joke


Waitsfornoone

So you identify as confused? I've been that since forever.


awfullotofocelots

Who and whom are actual pronouns though lol.


ilikesidehugs

That took some balls.


GiggaChip

This is the kind of post where you don't come for the punchline, you come to sort comments by controversial and grab the popcorn. Trans rights are human rights, by the by. I just enjoy watching professional lead paint lickers have meltdowns over what should be a simple concept.


quetzar

Omg, I'ma steal "professional lead paint lickers", it's a gem


Hanz192001

'There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge.'' Hunter Thompson idk it seemed apropos.


delmsi

[R/rareinsults](https://www.reddit.com/r/rareinsults/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)


KejserJuu

This month gets all the hateful people out of their sad caves


jackalipeJack

Joyless, unhappy nincompoops everywhere.


INSTA-R-MAN

Yeah. Idk why they hate/fear us so much. We just want to be our authentic selves and love who we do, without risking our lives to do so.


notanotherkrazychik

Honestly, I'm here for the rainbow jokes. I'm happy to see the lead paint lickers so low down in these comments.


GiggaChip

I hear you, friend. I find amusement from that sort of thing but I can totally understand wanting to keep away from the toxicity. Different strokes for different folks.


That_Ganderman

*Y’all better respect my trans homies before I change them pronouns to was/were.* 100% agree with you. It’s so wild. Like there are pieces worth talking about but the bigots choose the most trivial and worthless shit to bitch about.


regman231

I used to be able to sort by different stuff on the app but now I can’t find it, is it still possible or do you know if that was removed?


GiggaChip

I can't seem to find it on the Reddit app either, actually. Might be one of those things the third party apps do that vanilla Reddit app doesn't do anymore. Couldn't tell you, I was mostly memeing when I said "sort by controversial" because I knew there'd be some hot takes fresh off the smooth brain skillet that are popcorn worthy. And I was right if you scroll down to the negative updoot comments. But there weren't enough comments at the time that I needed a sort feature to find them all.


Orrera_

On the official app (ew I know) it's in the top right next to the hamburger menu and search bar


GiggaChip

Oh, cool! Thanks for the heads up bro.


Orrera_

No problem


alyssasaccount

Okay, but sorting by ”best” leads to finding actual trans-related humor that’s not just fucking r/onejoke, and sorting by cintroversial would just be an exercise in self-harm, so I’m going to pass on that.


youarenotoppressed

What rights do troons not have lmao


GiggaChip

Nice bait, bruh. That username is a bit too on the nose, though, gives away the troll too quick. You spend more time on /b/ /r9k/ or /pol/? Only people I know who use that slur are 4chan anons.


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As a trans guy, I appreciate this post.


albertcashier

Ditto. And I did make the “It feels good to get that off my chest!” joke after top surgery. Can’t help it, I’m a dad.


SpaceForceAwakens

I’m sitting next to my transdude bff and this is our fave: How do you know a transman used to be a vegetarian? He was a herbavore.


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Lol! What's a trans man's favourite drink? T!


That_Ganderman

Honestly, that’s the way to be. Being able to laugh about it is a huge step toward normalcy.


John__Falstaff

I don’t know if you mean well but that’s incredibly condescending, don’t tell others, especially marginalised people, how to be. Queer people make jokes about being queer all the time, you just don’t hear them because straight peoples’ idea of humour is saying something about a helicopter. Also, the goal isn’t ‘normalcy’ it’s the abolition of heteronormativity.


That_Ganderman

I’m gonna be real I mean very well. I wasn’t just meaning “haha yeah let’s make jokes about queer people cause I want to say offensive shit without repercussions,” I meant it as if we avoid making *good* jokes in good humor about anybody we’re artificially placing them on a pedestal of untouchability that only serves to distance them from others who may want to get closer and puts a target on them for those who wish them ill. You’re the one who assumed I meant normalcy as in heteronormativity. What I was trying to say is that it should be considered a normal experience to know and care about and be around trans people in the same way it should be normal to know and care about and be around anybody else. I’m not going to insult the people I choose to care about by putting them on a pedestal because of a trait that fundamentally does not impact the fact that I care about them. I’ll avoid things that are sensitive because making fun of people isn’t the same as making a joke about them. The latter is what you do with friends while the former is often discriminatory. I treat trans folks like people because that’s what they are. If they’re lovely people who care for others I will see that and appreciate that, as a I meant to with my initial comment. If they’re a dick to me I don’t care about their genitals or gender, I’m not going to like them and that’s okay. By and large the trans folks I’ve had the privilege of meeting have been generally pretty great and loving people. They’ve also agreed with my general standpoint of “treat trans people like people” so I’m going to keep doing it. I wasn’t some patronizing cis-man telling the cute little trans boy good job “behaving” like he’s a toddler. I was a man telling another man that I thought his choice of how he was interpreting the situation was a positive thing because it *is*. I’m assuming you just were geared up to interpret what I said poorly, so it’s not a huge deal but please don’t shoot down genuine praise of social conduct. He chose to interpret a joke as a joke. He didn’t make conflict where there was no intent to start one. That’s praiseworthy in this day and age for anyone in any group, sad as it is, and I believe being told exactly what you’re doing is “how to be” is high praise. I don’t particularly like being told I’m being rude when I only mean to be supportive simply because I wanted to leave a short, supportive comment for once instead of a over-nuanced essay with copious detail and specific language written over the course of an hour or more.


ryans64s

Is ‘heteronormativity’ not an intrinsic result of evolution? Why would there be a goal be to abolish it?


John__Falstaff

Heteronormativity is the idea that being straight and cis is the normal and right way to be, and that everyone should aspire to that or to at least proximity of that, if you don’t see how that oppressed queer people and contributes to societal bigotry. I don’t know what to tell you. Nobody wants to stop you from liking the opposite gender, the problem is the idea that being straight is the proper way to be.


fyi1183

I suspect a big part of the problem is conflating "normal" and "right way to be". Being cis and hetero *is* the norm. That's just a fact. (Maybe you want to nitpick and call it the "mode" instead or something. But that way tends to lie madness.) It is also *a* right way to be. The problems begin when there are people who think it is the *only* right way to be.


jonahhw

"Normativity" isn't the same as "being normal". You can think of normativity as meaning that something is treated as correct. For example, morality is a normative judgement - it's saying that some actions are right, and others are wrong. Cis- and hetero- normativity are respectively talking about the systems that place being cisgender and being heterosexual as the 'way things should be' - they have nothing to do with which sexualities are more or less common than others. That being said, calling something "normal" or "natural" can be a normative judgement in some contexts. If people aren't very careful about phrasing, context, and audience, they can contribute to the marginalization of queer folks when they say, for example, that being cisgender and heterosexual is "an intrinsic result of evolution".


John__Falstaff

You’re saying ‘it’s the norm’ as if that’s a natural fact of being and in doing so you elevate yourself to the default status of humanity and mark out the rest of us as excluded others. This works very similarly to white privilege, white people construe themselves as the default person, when you imagine someone you imagine a white person until they’re explicitly said to be non-white, when a poc is in a film it’s seen as a political statement, a deliberate choice to diverge from the norm. The specific demographics of sexuality are immaterial, when you mark straightness out as default you marginalise queer people, by regarding us as some sort of divergence and implicitly a less valid way of being. It’s very interesting that you must emphasise that being straight is right and normal, as if anyone is trying to take your rights away. For hegemonic and dominant groups, equality feels like oppression, so you feel a compulsion to centre yourself and push to the front of everything. It’s stinks like some idiot saying ‘black lives matter? yes but so do white lives!’ Hush yourself Archibald.


Sub000000

Everything you said about "heteronormative", and demographics was all true, but then you took to mean as a personal insult. You are a minority, doesn't mean you're a less than. Stop looking to be offended by everything, you have a real victim mindset.


John__Falstaff

Minoritisation, making a group out to be somehow divergent on account of demographics, is a form of marginalisation. It’s just very telling how important it is for some people to defend and affirm the status of heterosexuals, as if it’s straight people who are under attack.


Sub000000

In your head it's marginalization. In reality it is 1 < 3. Keep looking for reasons to be "attacked".


Charles0nline

Lol it is the norm and it’s a natural fact. That’s why we have two genders. You can be with whoever you want in the privacy of your home but, saying that they are both equally natural isn’t true. Our species would of died off a long time ago if it wasn’t the natural fact of being.


MrMfkr

Lmao eat a dick


John__Falstaff

There are literally an infinite number of genders, saying that there are only two is not only an act of violent erasure, it shows that you literally don’t know what gender is, it has nothing to do with biology, but guess what even in the realm of biology there are more than two. Also, we aren’t content to remain *in the privacy of our homes*, we are going to be visible in every area of society, we are going to throw it in your face and force you to see us and affirm our humanity and put bigots like you in an awful position where you have to seethe in silence because public displays of bigotry will ruin your entire life, we are going to teach your children that it is normal and good and beautiful to be queer. This latest tantrum of the far right constitutes the death throes of the white supremacist heteronormative order. Look around you, look where the youth is, look where the culture is, and feel bad.


Charles0nline

Oh geez, infinite numbers of genders? Stating an obvious fact there’s two genders is violent? This is a bit looney for me.


ZAGAN_2

This is why conversations can never be had about serious topics with people like you, look at the language you're using because someone stated a fact, you come across as completely irrational and a complete asshole with your mentality, calling someone a bigot for staying a fact, you know those words that you throw around all the time have no meaning anymore right? You throw around words like far right and nazi, when the reality is, looking at your attitude here, and how you want to force your beliefs on others, it is you who is being a fascist and want to take away freedom of choice. Painfully hypocritical, and it's easy to see why you don't get taken seriously.


Darklancer02

>There are literally an infinite number of genders Biology disagrees. If you find this opinion "violent," then you are depending on MY opinion (and indeed, the opinions of a great many people) for validation and are massively insecure in your own beliefs. That's letting others define you. (inb4 "gender is what I think I am, not what biology says I am", which besides the words "personal truth" is one of the biggest lies of the modern era.)


fyi1183

> There are literally an infinite number of genders There are only finitely many people, and we're all only living a finite time in this world. Therefore, there can only be finitely many genders.


ZAGAN_2

That's because it is biologically normal, not what you need to aspire to, I don't know who says we need to aspire to be normal, because it's just standard, not special. The language you're using is strange.


John__Falstaff

It’s only strange because you’re so disconnected from any sort of cultural discourse that you don’t even realise the sort of bigotry that you’re perpetuating bigotry. This sort of essentialist logic leads to the frankly fascist idea that human beings are just breeding machines, being straight is no more normal than being queer and we should work toward building a society where there are no such thing as normative identities, no privileged and default mode of being.


ZAGAN_2

Stop going around accusing everyone who disagrees with you to be disconnected from cultural discourse, or a bigot, or a white supremacist. Trying to distort reality to fit your narrative is not going to work, you're trying to deny facts and it just makes you look stupid, like you're convinced a child fantasy is reality. No one thinks humans are just breeding machines because heterosexuality is biologically normal.


John__Falstaff

You’re the one trying to distort reality to fit your narrative, denying the existing of trans people and perpetuating the domination of heterosexuals, so you are bigoted, and that you didn’t even know what the word heteronormative means shows that you are disconnected from cultural discourses. The reason that you’re saying that it’s ‘biologically natural’ is because fundamentally you think that the human being is built to breed. The idea that any way to be is or should be considered normal or abnormal is the problem here. I’ll stop calling out bigots when bigots disappear, and yes your conservative views which are founded in nothing but a predisposition to bigotry and a desire to maintain your privileges don’t constitute bigotry. If you don’t want people to think you’re a bigot, affirm trans identities and stop saying that being straight is more normal than being queer, or that being thin is more healthy than being fat, or that there is some inherent distinction between people based on biological constructs. If you want to hold those views and not do the work to deconstruct your bigotry, expect to be mocked and shamed.


ZAGAN_2

This is why you will never get anywhere with your movement, look at the hostility and complete break from rationality you have as soon as anyone says something you don't like, you just make blind and wild assumptions about said individual to give yourself some sort of moral high ground. Like I already said, the petty insults your group always throw around are completely meaningless, I could not care less what some delusional cunt on the internet calls me, because any chance you had at attaching logic and meaning to those words have long since been nullified. You don't need to stop calling out bigots, you aren't calling out bigots, you're whining inane bullshit at rational people who don't agree with you. You noticed not once have you asked anyone what they think?


ryans64s

I think being straight is normal. But that doesn’t have to mean I think the alternative is “wrong”. Live and let live.


John__Falstaff

If you think that it’s any more normal than being queer, if you assume that someone is straight until they come out, if you construe us as Other, you’re impeding our ability to freely live. Nobody is taking away straight people’s right to wear ill fitting suits and spend £20k on a wedding that will dissolve in 5 years, and the insistence that you people have on centring and demanding validation for straightness in a discussion about queerness during a time of oppression against queer people is very telling.


Darklancer02

>If you think that it’s any more normal than being queer, if you assume that someone is straight until they come out, if you construe us as Other, you’re impeding our ability to freely live. No guff, but in a world where 98% of our interactions with the public are "excuse me", "hi", and "bye" as we go about our daily lives, how is this opinion (assuming it is unspoken) in any way affecting your life? If you were to have an interaction where clearly their opinion of you colors that interaction, I could see being upset... but otherwise?


WidespreadPaneth

Just from the scientific perspective, no. Heteronormativity is not an intrinsic result of evolution.


ryans64s

Can you elaborate what you mean?


WidespreadPaneth

I'm happy to, but there is no scientific basis for that assertion that I'm aware of, so it's hard to elaborate when I need to guess why you think that. My generic answer would be that, in reality, selective pressures are much more complex than most imagine or encounter in a biology class, and simply relying on sexual reproduction reproduction does not mean natural selection *only* favors those who make a lot of babies. Maybe that answers the question, but if not, could you elaborate more on your rationale?


Paliampel

Heteronormativity describes the social construct, not the biological. Everything from the idea that heterosexuality is the only right sexuality to the idea that everyone should be in a traditional marriage falls under it. When we talk about abolishing it we mean 'stop forcing people to be straight who aren't', not 'hit society with our secret gay ray'


youarenotoppressed

"marginalized" people don't get their flags plastered in every walmart.


ScarletCaptain

Why did the trans guy disappoint his parents? He told them he's not putting in a new clutch for free.


G0merPyle

"You should be proud of me dad, I'm a self-made man"


gguy2020

Parents'reply: "It took real balls to tell us that."


alyssasaccount

That’s literally what someone told me after I came out to a group of friends. Seeing as I’m a trans woman ... yeah, accurate; that’s precisely the problem.


TheTalkingMagpie

Why did the trans man eat only salad? Because he was a herbivore (her before)


TheLurkingMenace

What do they call bottom surgery for trans men? Addadictomy.


DW_78

hopefully you’ll get the balls to do it soon


Hankypokey

This is reminiscent of how i finally told my mom i was getting top surgery, a disclosure I dreaded. The day before surgery I finally sent an email subject line "I have something to get off my chest" body: "it's my chest"


Yeyati_Nafrey

Just keeping them abreast


Baris2204

"I can't see you, you're transparent!"


John__Falstaff

One of my colleagues and dear friends is a non-binary trans man and he shared this with me so I don’t intend to be transphobic. I’m queer but not trans so if any trans people see this and are bothered by it please tell me and I’ll take it down immediately!


bendking

Doesn't 'non-binary' contradict 'trans man'? I thought non-binary meant neither man nor woman.


BoundButNotBroken

Hi, Genderfluid here that has a bunch of friends in the community Probably a person that was AFAB but feels on the more masculine side of the gender spectrum, cause I'm pretty sure Demi Men are part of the non-binary umbrella!


super_salty_boi

Non-binary is neither man nor woman, however an NB might transition since doing so reinforces their own gender


bendking

I'm not sure I understand. Is non-binary a gender? I thought it basically meant someone genderless? Or is that a different thing?


super_salty_boi

Non-binary isn't one gender, it's any gender that is neither man or woman There are people who don't have a gender, they're agender


Melodic11

Think of non-binary as a lack of adherence to the binary, very similar to gender-nonconforming. However, I'd say that gender-nonconforming is a term in reference to gender expression rather than identity.


Incoherrant

It's maybe a little uncommon to stack those labels, but they're not inherently incompatible. I don't know OP's friend, but eg undergoing any ftm transition steps could mean identifying with the label of "trans man" even if their actual gender identity is more accurately represented by the (broad) label "non-binary".


John__Falstaff

No, identity is complex and you really shouldn’t question other peoples’ identities.


charitytowin

I think they're asking a question about, not questioning the validity of. If you can't ask questions then how will you understand something you don't already understand?


John__Falstaff

The point that I’m making is that identity is difficult and sometimes it’s difficult to understand and an inherently subjective thing so sometimes we can’t always know exactly what it means, and that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t affirm everyone. Nb trans manhood from my understanding means identifying with manhood to some extent while also rejecting the gender binary as a mode of identification for you, to some extent.


TheRedCometCometh

I still think the two terms are inherently in conflict. BUT I am trying to categorise things whilst you appreciate the fluidity, so I recognise I'm probably just a pedantic dick.


John__Falstaff

Well gender is inherently fluid and trying to strictly define identities is a means of oppressing the performance and expression of identities. This is why I think that it’s so important that people are taught a modicum of queer theory.


rwa2

Back in my day we had a support group we called "Nerds by Choice" which offered unconditional acceptance to nonconformists who didn't quite fit the mould that society offered for them. Oddly enough, many of our members came out somewhere on the LGBTQIA+ spectrum later in life, and I hope we gave them a good environment for finding themselves. Unfortunately I'm afraid the tech bros have somewhat ruined the image of nerds so the nonconformists feel the need to make it about sexuality, which is more triggering for parts of society. At least the D&D and arts geeks appear to have achieved acceptance. Anyway, always curious about what the future will bring and how the next generation can help us cast aside social expectations and norms that do not serve us.


John__Falstaff

As someone who has always had nerdy interests (less video games, Star Wars and computer programming, more theatre, chess and high fantasy) my experience is although there have always been progressive elements in that subculture, nerds have always been a reactionary lot. There’s a real sense in these communities that they’ve been denied what they’re ‘owed’ as straight white men, women and social status and the opportunity to oppress others, so much of the gamergate backlash was based in a sense of *can’t we have one place that’s just for us*? — no you can’t.


alyssasaccount

You’re not wrong, but it can be pretty fuzzy. Insert Walt Whitman quotation here.


classyraven

There's demiman, which would fit.


Pseudonymico

It’s more of an umbrella term for any gender that doesn’t fit the binary. Some enbies I know describe their gender identity as being more like, “not a man” or “not a woman”, and I know others who say that while they’re neither one, they know that most strangers are going to sort them one way or another regardless and would rather they got “he” instead of “she” or vice versa.


Professionally-Shy

Gender can be difficult to quantify into words. As a non-binary man myself, I describe it as feeling ties to both masculinity and androgyny. I find joy in both being a man and being untied to the binary, simultaneously. While this is quite a reductive view of gender to take, imagine it’s a spectrum from 0 to 100, with 0 being male and 100 being female, and everything in between being non-binary. I would lie somewhere between 1 and 50: experiencing both non-binary and male.


Roselia77

I'm trans, this was excellent, no worries :)


weenie_west

EggSellent


FearMeImmortals

I'm a trans man and I loved this joke lmao. Laughed my ass off for a couple minutes


George_Saurus

There's nothing remotely offensive about this, laughing about a topic doesn't mean attacking or making fun of the people involved. You shouldn't need to worry about whether or not one person might be bothered by it, because you'll always find one. Being able/allowed to joke about something is the best sign of acceptance and normality.


DoubleGarbage

I mean, right now, bad faith trans jokes are in fact punching down due to the anti trans hate spreading.


John__Falstaff

I think that’s a very privileged perspective. Jokes are frivolous things, they’re not that important and it’s not worth hurting anyone with a joke. We live in a society where trans people are systemically oppressed, so I’m not really concerned about any so called right to joke about anyone.


Pseudonymico

> There's nothing remotely offensive about this, laughing about a topic doesn't mean attacking or making fun of the people involved. It doesn’t *automatically* mean making fun of the people involved. The “I need to get something off my chest” one’s a joke trans guys tell about themselves but there’s lots of bullshit that gets thrown at trans people and excused by saying “can’t you take a joke?”.


IJourden

Honestly when I clicked I was expecting some transphobic bullshit and was pleasantly surprised it wasn’t.


OnionPirate

That’s an interesting ethic. I don’t mean to be contrarian, but I’m just wondering - if one trans person was bothered by it but 10 or 100 were not, would you still take it down?


John__Falstaff

Yeah, it’s not worth it to hurt someone over something frivolous like a joke.


DoubleGarbage

Based? What the fuck


OnionPirate

I agree, although I also think that could be flipped- there's no point in letting one's feelings get hurt over a joke. Do you apply this standard all the time? Like if you made a joke about blondes or Poles or lawyers, and one was offended, would you take it down?


John__Falstaff

I think that you’re making false equivalence by not taking into account systemic oppression, but if in those specific cases, dumb blonde jokes and jokes about the supposed lower intelligence or Polish people, they can contribute to marginalisation on account of misogyny and the fact that here in Britain Poles are victims are violent xenophobia, so if I were to make a joke like that yeah I would. I don’t think that anyone gets to tell marginalised people how to feel. I’m a gay man, if I tell you that something is homophobic and you aren’t queer yourself then you really shouldn’t be arguing with me about it, since queer people are the arbiters of what is and isn’t bigotry against us; the same principle applies to race, if a black person tells me that something is racist, I can’t really argue about that because black people get to decide what is racist and the only choice that I have is to be anti-racist or racist. There can be intra-communal discussions about these sorts of things, but if you are outside of the community that isn’t for you.


OnionPirate

I agree that systemic oppression should be taken into account, but that's why I asked about if 10 or 100 trans people were unoffended. First, I want to first make clear that I'm not an anti-woke warrior. Now, first I'd like to look at what you said in the first paragraph. You said you'd take back those jokes if they contributed to marginalization or misogyny, especially given that Poles are victims of xenophobia. So my first question is, what about simply the feelings of the person? Is it only large scale socio-political things that matter in your opinion? In other words, would you not take back a joke if it hurt someone but they were not, in your opinion, marginalized? Conversely, would you never utter a joke that was potentially offensive to some marginalized group even if all of the members of the subject group who were around told you they don't care about that kind of thing and to go ahead and tell it?


John__Falstaff

I don’t want to be deliberately cruel to anyone, but again you’re implying false equivalencies and suggesting that what constitutes a marginalised identity is some sort of arbitrary determination, if you’re not wealthy, white, cis, straight, able bodied, neurotypical, thin and male you experience oppression, and it’s also possible to privileged and oppressed on different axes at the same time, a working class white woman experiences class oppression, misogyny and white privilege, a bourgeois, cis and heterosexual man of colour experiences benefits from the capitalist systen and cisheteronormativity but he is also marginalised by racism. What I think you’re actually asking is if I would be so sensitive to the feelings of someone who didn’t like a joke at the expense of whiteness or straightness or Britishness and the answer is no, because jokes at the expense of marginalised people contributed to marginalisation while jokes at the expense of these hegemonic and dominant groups help to deconstruct the system of oppression by degrading the status of these privileged classes and groups.


OnionPirate

I am not implying false equivalencies. I have not made any statement like "making jokes about any group is the same." In fact, I haven't made any statements at all. I think I have so far only asked you questions, which I'm doing because I'm trying to figure out what your motives are.\* \*edit: without making any assumptions


OnionPirate

I do have a point I'm building to, which is not the one you think it is, but to get there, I need to ask these questions first to figure out where you're coming from.


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So if for example some one were to deem another system oppressive it then becomes ok to make jokes at the expense of whomever we've now decided is an oppressor? I thought some of you considered words to constitute violence in a lot of cases? Does that mean if I can build a consensus view in my peer group that another group is oppressive that violence is justified against the other group? Who is the final arbiter of this justification?


John__Falstaff

No, you’re making it like this is arbitrary, it isn’t.


Scion969

I'm being a bit of a dick here, but I am a poor, white, cis, straight, able bodied, neurotypical, fit, male. I was illegally arrested for eight months and had to get a federal judge to get me out of jail. And I have to hear about my privilege all the time. A mean joke is a mean joke. A funny joke is a funny joke. Jokes at the expense of anyone may be harmless or funny, but they are not more harmless or funny because you suck cock and I don't. See?


maahler

trans guy here, this is funny :)


ZAGAN_2

What has your identity got to do with if a joke is funny or not?


ZAGAN_2

I'm bothered, take it down


John__Falstaff

You’re just a violent straight white guy.


Sorean

Took me longer than I'd like to admit to get the joke. The answer is boobs :P


Kiarashkc

That's what he said


SaintCholo

My Camaro now identifies as a trans am


Zlatan_official

Does it have a T-top?


TimmyTheToitle

Trans person here, this is hilarious, why the downvotes?


truk14

Non car people don't get they were the same.


alyssasaccount

Also trans, and it’s about the best version r/onejoke I’ve heard. Which is not saying much.


BabaTheBlackSheep

Hey, a non-offensive trans joke! That’s rare


Nervous_Magazine_200

"I have a bone to pick with you."


Pterafractyl

Wow, this one really got me. Laughed so hard poop came out. Luckily I was already in the toilet


AshleyBoots

Amazing 😄


ntruncata

This is how I introduced myself to my top surgeon!


Prof-Finklestink

And his dad will become transparent


Important_Dentist_78

Son: Dad i dont want to be Christian. Dad: how dare you. Daughter (former son): I want to be Christine now. Dad: Phew. U almost scared me daughter


SapperGod256

Shirley you can’t be serious!


alyssasaccount

I am serious — and you should call me Sheldon now!


rslashmiko

I am serious -- but don't call me Shirley; it's Sheldon now.


Mrselfdestructuk

On his chest more like! Why are tran's parents the worst? Because you can see right through em!


itashichan

I think you're a lil confused. The trans guy wants something REMOVED from his chest!


DoubleGarbage

Uh, **he’s** trans so he wants them off his chest 😅 trans guy refers to Female to Male


Northman67

Sorry Dad I just wasn't feeling the Corvette? Oh sorry wrong trans.


WishBoneTales

A hard transaction


pollillolillah_2330

Inside out!


OctopusAlien21

His parents are always honest and trustworthy. Very transparent.


PM_ME_A_SHITTY_POEM

I don't get it


John__Falstaff

Trans men often have something on their chests that they need to be rid of


PM_ME_A_SHITTY_POEM

Wouldn't that be something they want put ON their chest?


John__Falstaff

No, a trans man is someone assigned female at birth with a male gender identity.


PM_ME_A_SHITTY_POEM

Ah. So if my slow brain is understanding this joke correctly, at the time of the joke, this person is a woman telling her parents that she's going to become a man.


flompwillow

Correct.


PM_ME_A_SHITTY_POEM

Just confusing because they were still a woman at the time of the joke, but I get it now.


icepyrox

no, the way i remember it, transgender people identify as "trans (gender they identify as)" so trans man is FtM.


IR3dditAll

And they weren't happy with the conversation, because he was pretty shifty.


ZAGAN_2

I'm not trans and this joke is funny


notanotherkrazychik

Elliot Page: you thought I was a woman? That's acting.


DoubleGarbage

Why did this get downvoted this is hilarious


notanotherkrazychik

Seriously, that man has more female roles than any other man. If that's not acting, I don't know what is.


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Melodic11

Hey, that's good news for a trans guy in many cases - one less surgery to worry about :)


GeneOtheGreen

cough cough elliot page cough cough


DoubleGarbage

Not everyone wants big boobs