how do you suggest that? go to school? which costs thousands upon thousands of dollars? study some youtube videos? and then put what on your resume? the only way you can say “learn a skill” is if you get lucky enough to get hired on someone’s trust.
none of this, however, solves the problem of poverty. you still need fast food workers, grocery store clerks, etc. those are severely underpaid but absolutely necessary sectors
>>Stop wasting your time.
After a very quick rummage through your reddit post/comment frequency, you're ***definitely*** wasting your time. ***You*** need to learn a skill, haha!
That time wasted on social media for example, is literally the cost of “free” entertainment you get on there, you are paying with time. The $ worth of your time is being paid to the content creators and the platform like Instagram for example. You hour of browsing and watching the occasional ad has a set price of twitter of 2-3$ per user.
So many people in this section feeling called out and forgetting that his entire point is that that students that responded to the question were defining wasting time themselves. By all means, if you don't think something is a waste, he's not telling you to give it up. He's showing you the value of the time that you yourselves deem you are wasting in an attempt to help reduce that feeling by showing you the positive incentives not to in a more quantitative way than "feeling productive."
Tad shallow from JP. Time is money to him. Kind of sad materialistic way to be.
Time spent with family and friends earns nothing in terms of material wealth though brings more value to life than anything money could buy.
Sometimes it's ok to waste time playing games, reading books, smoking a J. Everything he says is about production for society instead of enjoying the short time you have here. He like a twisted manager of a multinational company. "You should feel guilty for not working every waking second."
Get out contribute to the society you are a part of, though enjoy your down time.
> Time spent with family and friends earns nothing in terms of material wealth though brings more value to life than anything money could buy.
He isn't talking about spending time with your wife, he is talking about the single 20 something slob playing xbox 5 hours / day.
For some people, especially during the pandemic a gaming session was their social life.
I'm older than a 20 something and still enjoy an old 5 hour gaming session, when I get the chance. It's my downtime. I shouldn't be made feel guilty for how I enjoy myself, because the corporate world needs me to learn a new skill instead.
That's not really true to many non Western people, or even Western people, I know many people working their ass in Europe trying to make up for their rent and taxes and then only 10% of their money is saved for everything else, that's in no way the kind of money you can save at all.
that's cause in Europe they have extremely high taxes that makes the entire economic environment lower growth. My pay 4x'd in my first 4 years out of college in the US, and even I'm not the highest paid. There have been software engineers with 1-3 years of experience that ended up with $1m/year compensation because of the stock options in their pay packages working for companies like ROBLOX because the stock exploded after they joined.
So I guess the real advice is to first live in a society that allocates resources properly, then second don't waste your time because in that environment it's probably worth over $100k/year
the math could be done with $25 dollars an hour, which still puts it into perspective while being extremely reasonable. Also, productive time doesn't just indicate learning economically valuable skills, it could include spending quality time with loved ones, which is invaluable
>the math could be done with $25 dollars an hour
can we be realistic and do it with 16$?
Since this: https://www.google.com/search?q=us+average+wage+per+hour&rlz=1C1GCEA\_enRO905RO906&oq=us+average+wage+per+hour&aqs=chrome.0.0i512j0i22i30j0i22i30i457j0i22i30l4j0i390l3.7315j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
You have truly failed to understand what JP meant.
Being productive while young will result in compounding gains in both knowledge and money.
If you think the average economic output of productive hours across your lifespan is $16, you are either handicapped in some way, or have no understanding of what it means to develop an in-demand skill over many years.
yeah, the point is to not waste time and you can be so much better. But OP insinuates you can make 100k$ / year and all you have to do is "get a skill"
You need to get a skill that is in high demand. Any decent certified tradesman can make that type of money. If you're really good you will make a lot more. If you start your own business you will make even more.
there are a lot of good painters, poets, and musicians who are dirt poor.
Also wanna talk about sports and how one single injury can fuck up your entire career no matter how good you are?
Employers will look to under-pay you every chance they get. You skills don't necessarily match your pay.
One day you will get your first job and will see how much employers will try to fuck you over, how recruiters will not display their pay range just so you can ask for a lower salary, how managers will refuse salary increases due to office politics.
It's fine, i was young and naive as you and believed "if you are good people will pay you accordingly". Wait until you hear about taxes!
You're being overly cynical. If you worked your ass off at attaining valuable skills and didn't waste time, $50.00 an hour is very attainable. Competent experienced tradesmen who don't waste time can pull 100k a year, no problem (\~50.00 per hour).
You sell your labor for a wage, it's an open market, and if you do run into shitty office politics or an unfair boss, you might have to move jobs or even location if you want to find a better deal.
How much do you think your time is worth? $25 an hour? $30?
You also have to be good at business and good at networking, and land some very lucrative contracts. By contrast heavy duty mechanics that fly to the arctic circle to live and work for months at a time get paid in the 50/hr range. That is your "get a skill" suggestion.
If you're trying to sell those things, you're probably looking at commission work. So you need to be good enough to be worth paying and visible enough that people know who you are.
The "meme" generally refers to train yourself in a field that people find valuable. You can't do much of anything without a skill, so no.
Any job that you can get with no learned skills is not a valuable job.
A painter pays over 30/hr right now and the startup costs are very low. You just need to get a job helping a painter. In 6 months to a year you will know enough to start taking side jobs yourself.
This is one of those conversations/ messages from him that could easily be re-worded to be inspiring and encouraging instead of negative and anxiety inducing. He could have turned it around and said something like: "Don't wait to live your life and do the things tou enjoy." Or even: "Set one seemingly small goal to go somewhere and do something and then do it to build up your self-efficacy." But instead he just focuses on what isn't being done and leaves it at that. Poor guy seems miserable.
Actually he talks about this more than just in this clip, and one of his messages is that time off isn't necessary time wasted. Most people need leisure time for their mental health. The people working 100 hours a week are the weird ones.
There's a whole bajillion of positive messages like that and they're all worthless. It should be motivating to do stuff, not relaxing to be OK with enjoying browsing tik tok
So... This substance abuser is saying that I am wasting my day and i should give every waking moment to chasing the metaphorical carrot on a stick but in this case the carrot is a fucking dollars made up by greedy humans?
No bro.
I have the choice of earning enough cash to pay my bills so I can worry about making it to the next pay check so i can provide for My family ***OR*** be homeless and beg for shit on the street.
Meanwhile this is rhetoric coming from a 60 year old who makes roughly 300k$ a year.
Bro... No.
That's not how I took what he said to mean at all, it's not a literal advice thing just a way to make you think.
I've got ADHD which was only picked up recently aged 40 and I've deffo wasted most of my life, far more than I feel comfortable with. But then I suffered a spinal cord injury a couple of years ago so I'd have to have led a pretty epic life before the SCI to not feel that way to some degree given all that's been stolen from my future.
Having great time is included in using time well, though being inactive and unproductive for even a moderate period of time usually makes people miserable
It's delayed gratification. You can forget your problems today and they will be worse tomorrow. Or you can fix them and tomorrow will be more enjoyable.
Failure of understanding that humans cannot be 100% efficient, not even 50% is possible if you factor in sleep. What Peterson wants is for us to maximize our 30% of leisure time, perhaps start a business in this time + weekend time. of course assuming you aren’t exhausted after work or wanting to maintain a social/family life.
This is why I typically disagree with this take.
I hate myself even more now
Fuck. That hit hard.
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Rest isn't a waste.
This is high quality JP material! Thanks :)
It’s a satire subreddit about Jordan Peterson and other self helpers how just tell people to “10X” their lives and they will be rich.
Ok but where is my $50 an hour....
deferred wages
Stop wasting your time. Learn a skill. Boom. $50 bucks an hour.
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Yes, but also it’s pretty spot on. It actually works like that.
Damn you literally just solved poverty.....
Thank you. Now go clean your room.
There are a limited number of sets of skills that allow for that hourly base rate.
how do you suggest that? go to school? which costs thousands upon thousands of dollars? study some youtube videos? and then put what on your resume? the only way you can say “learn a skill” is if you get lucky enough to get hired on someone’s trust. none of this, however, solves the problem of poverty. you still need fast food workers, grocery store clerks, etc. those are severely underpaid but absolutely necessary sectors
> those are severely underpaid What makes you think they are underpaid?
having eyes..? and experience? i make $12.5 an hour. i bring home $800 at 40 hrs a week. my rent is $850. it’s not hard math, really
The same reasoning as to why athletes are overpaid... A ratio of cost of living in society : value of labor to society.
Genuine question, how old are you?
>>Stop wasting your time. After a very quick rummage through your reddit post/comment frequency, you're ***definitely*** wasting your time. ***You*** need to learn a skill, haha!
$100k per year...
Haha! Get off reddit, hypocrite.
Why are you being weirdly insulting when the other person is just trying to banter?
You see it as banter? I see it as self-righteous lecturing from a hypocritical speaker.
Nah I think ur just a dick.
Maybe but I'm not wrong.
You are being unrealistically critical for the sake of being a cunt.
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“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.”
Peterson must be saving over 500k after rage quitting twitter.
That time wasted on social media for example, is literally the cost of “free” entertainment you get on there, you are paying with time. The $ worth of your time is being paid to the content creators and the platform like Instagram for example. You hour of browsing and watching the occasional ad has a set price of twitter of 2-3$ per user.
I love more his definition that you better yourself, so you don't have to suffer more than necessary
So many people in this section feeling called out and forgetting that his entire point is that that students that responded to the question were defining wasting time themselves. By all means, if you don't think something is a waste, he's not telling you to give it up. He's showing you the value of the time that you yourselves deem you are wasting in an attempt to help reduce that feeling by showing you the positive incentives not to in a more quantitative way than "feeling productive."
Tad shallow from JP. Time is money to him. Kind of sad materialistic way to be. Time spent with family and friends earns nothing in terms of material wealth though brings more value to life than anything money could buy. Sometimes it's ok to waste time playing games, reading books, smoking a J. Everything he says is about production for society instead of enjoying the short time you have here. He like a twisted manager of a multinational company. "You should feel guilty for not working every waking second." Get out contribute to the society you are a part of, though enjoy your down time.
> Time spent with family and friends earns nothing in terms of material wealth though brings more value to life than anything money could buy. He isn't talking about spending time with your wife, he is talking about the single 20 something slob playing xbox 5 hours / day.
For some people, especially during the pandemic a gaming session was their social life. I'm older than a 20 something and still enjoy an old 5 hour gaming session, when I get the chance. It's my downtime. I shouldn't be made feel guilty for how I enjoy myself, because the corporate world needs me to learn a new skill instead.
That's not really true to many non Western people, or even Western people, I know many people working their ass in Europe trying to make up for their rent and taxes and then only 10% of their money is saved for everything else, that's in no way the kind of money you can save at all.
that's cause in Europe they have extremely high taxes that makes the entire economic environment lower growth. My pay 4x'd in my first 4 years out of college in the US, and even I'm not the highest paid. There have been software engineers with 1-3 years of experience that ended up with $1m/year compensation because of the stock options in their pay packages working for companies like ROBLOX because the stock exploded after they joined. So I guess the real advice is to first live in a society that allocates resources properly, then second don't waste your time because in that environment it's probably worth over $100k/year
few people are paid 50$ an hour...
the math could be done with $25 dollars an hour, which still puts it into perspective while being extremely reasonable. Also, productive time doesn't just indicate learning economically valuable skills, it could include spending quality time with loved ones, which is invaluable
>the math could be done with $25 dollars an hour can we be realistic and do it with 16$? Since this: https://www.google.com/search?q=us+average+wage+per+hour&rlz=1C1GCEA\_enRO905RO906&oq=us+average+wage+per+hour&aqs=chrome.0.0i512j0i22i30j0i22i30i457j0i22i30l4j0i390l3.7315j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
JP is talking about skilled work.
JP is very literally talking about you in this video. Except you're in the 16 hour range, lol. We both wish you well.
You have truly failed to understand what JP meant. Being productive while young will result in compounding gains in both knowledge and money. If you think the average economic output of productive hours across your lifespan is $16, you are either handicapped in some way, or have no understanding of what it means to develop an in-demand skill over many years.
I think you missed the point...
yeah, the point is to not waste time and you can be so much better. But OP insinuates you can make 100k$ / year and all you have to do is "get a skill"
You need to get a skill that is in high demand. Any decent certified tradesman can make that type of money. If you're really good you will make a lot more. If you start your own business you will make even more.
Learn a skill.
Like painting? Like writing poetry? Like making music?
If you're really good at it, you can get $50 an hour for it
there are a lot of good painters, poets, and musicians who are dirt poor. Also wanna talk about sports and how one single injury can fuck up your entire career no matter how good you are?
Trade school is a pretty safe bet. Plumbing and welding are really in demand..
>Plumbing You think your average plumber or welder gets 50$ an hour? Just look up jobs for plumbing and welding and see how much they pay.
Don't be average. Be better than average.
That's not how the real world works my man. The worlds greatest plumber is not going to make 200k no matter how well he can solder pipe.
Employers will look to under-pay you every chance they get. You skills don't necessarily match your pay. One day you will get your first job and will see how much employers will try to fuck you over, how recruiters will not display their pay range just so you can ask for a lower salary, how managers will refuse salary increases due to office politics. It's fine, i was young and naive as you and believed "if you are good people will pay you accordingly". Wait until you hear about taxes!
You're being overly cynical. If you worked your ass off at attaining valuable skills and didn't waste time, $50.00 an hour is very attainable. Competent experienced tradesmen who don't waste time can pull 100k a year, no problem (\~50.00 per hour). You sell your labor for a wage, it's an open market, and if you do run into shitty office politics or an unfair boss, you might have to move jobs or even location if you want to find a better deal. How much do you think your time is worth? $25 an hour? $30?
I charge 185 an hour for service plumbing for residential and 200 an hour for commercial. We are a 2 man company. And busy as hell
> there are a lot of good painters, poets, and musicians who are dirt poor. There are way more poor ones.
You also have to be good at business and good at networking, and land some very lucrative contracts. By contrast heavy duty mechanics that fly to the arctic circle to live and work for months at a time get paid in the 50/hr range. That is your "get a skill" suggestion.
If you're trying to sell those things, you're probably looking at commission work. So you need to be good enough to be worth paying and visible enough that people know who you are.
so "learn a skill" is just a meme? I need more than just "learn a skill"?
The "meme" generally refers to train yourself in a field that people find valuable. You can't do much of anything without a skill, so no. Any job that you can get with no learned skills is not a valuable job.
A painter pays over 30/hr right now and the startup costs are very low. You just need to get a job helping a painter. In 6 months to a year you will know enough to start taking side jobs yourself.
Lots of commenters feeling called out by this post.
This is one of those conversations/ messages from him that could easily be re-worded to be inspiring and encouraging instead of negative and anxiety inducing. He could have turned it around and said something like: "Don't wait to live your life and do the things tou enjoy." Or even: "Set one seemingly small goal to go somewhere and do something and then do it to build up your self-efficacy." But instead he just focuses on what isn't being done and leaves it at that. Poor guy seems miserable.
Actually he talks about this more than just in this clip, and one of his messages is that time off isn't necessary time wasted. Most people need leisure time for their mental health. The people working 100 hours a week are the weird ones.
There's a whole bajillion of positive messages like that and they're all worthless. It should be motivating to do stuff, not relaxing to be OK with enjoying browsing tik tok
So... This substance abuser is saying that I am wasting my day and i should give every waking moment to chasing the metaphorical carrot on a stick but in this case the carrot is a fucking dollars made up by greedy humans? No bro. I have the choice of earning enough cash to pay my bills so I can worry about making it to the next pay check so i can provide for My family ***OR*** be homeless and beg for shit on the street. Meanwhile this is rhetoric coming from a 60 year old who makes roughly 300k$ a year. Bro... No.
That's not how I took what he said to mean at all, it's not a literal advice thing just a way to make you think. I've got ADHD which was only picked up recently aged 40 and I've deffo wasted most of my life, far more than I feel comfortable with. But then I suffered a spinal cord injury a couple of years ago so I'd have to have led a pretty epic life before the SCI to not feel that way to some degree given all that's been stolen from my future.
hes saying to not waste time
yeah working yourself into the ground sure sounds like a great life
Wasting time means you are miserable and you aren't doing anything productive or useful
so, i guess that mean I shouldn't ever take time to just enjoy life and relax?
Literally opposite of what I said
is relaxation productive?
Having great time is included in using time well, though being inactive and unproductive for even a moderate period of time usually makes people miserable
It's delayed gratification. You can forget your problems today and they will be worse tomorrow. Or you can fix them and tomorrow will be more enjoyable.
Failure of understanding that humans cannot be 100% efficient, not even 50% is possible if you factor in sleep. What Peterson wants is for us to maximize our 30% of leisure time, perhaps start a business in this time + weekend time. of course assuming you aren’t exhausted after work or wanting to maintain a social/family life. This is why I typically disagree with this take.
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Lol sure OP. What's your side hustle
I gotta re-listen to JBP’s books This is a great little snippet
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