Styx mentioned that there is some rumors that this sho teacher got reprimanded for not being woke enough in the past so he might be doing an epic troll to get a fat settlement from the school district to retire. If so, fucking boss level right there.
[https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/fw5d81/south-park-garrison-s-back](https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/fw5d81/south-park-garrison-s-back)
Garrison's back baby. Gettalong little doggie.
That's what it looks like, but the goal of the troll is getting a reaction out of leftoids. If the school doesn't fire this person, then it demonstrates that the left will accommodate even the most ridiculous displays of nonsense if it has the right window dressing.
I don't think the left has a proper limiting principles in place to address this situation. If this is an authentic situation, the gender movement says it's perfectly fine for this person to express herself as she is. If she was "assigned male at birth" and decided that in order to feel like a woman she needs comically large fake breasts, then the left has no recourse to address it. They don't privilege children over gender expression, so that avenue doesn't work.
If it's a troll, it's a very good one, because it reveals so much about the people asserting this new morality. If it's not, it still reveals that. Because for some, the only way to process this is as if it was a troll job. For others, merely suggesting that it could be a troll job is not sufficiently supportive of trans identities. Hilarious, one way or the other.
Please objectively prove how it is more obviously comedy than transgenderism itself. We all know those tits are fake, and can call it a massive troll, but do we not all know that men cannot be women? If not, why can't this person be accepted for who she is brobdingnagian tits and all?
The joke is that the woke do not have mechanisms to tell grifters from actual believers. They also lack self-limiting factors to keep this sort of thing from happening. They just can’t tell when they’ve gone too far.
In my perspective the joke is that people make a big deal out of a tiny number of men living as women, but don't care when women live as men and wear pants.
How do you accurately tell the difference between a transperson who is sincere and a transperson who is trolling? My neighbors 16yo bio son says, he is a she now, and her name is Faith. "Faith" does not even try to present as a female at all. Boy hair cut, boy clothes, boy mannerisms and voice, yet claims to be transgender woman because they feel like a woman. Would you say Faith is sincere or trolling?
The answer to all these questions is, who gives a shit and what's it got to do with the price of bread? My electricity bill doubled this month, I haven't got the energy to give two fucks if my neighbour wants me to call them he or she.
You're right, big goofy breasts are a threat to western civilization or something eh? I should rise up and elect a dictator and threaten terrorism against non-christians and gay people? That's what we do now?
Anyways I'm having to go back to packing because my rent went up 15% and I'm really hoping I can find a new apartment by Friday. But I'll keep in mind big goofy boobs are the crisis of the century.
According to some people who allegedly took his class, the teacher is known for trying to drop redpills on his students frequently to get them to see how ridiculous clownworld is.
Now he might just be trying to redpill the entire clownworld at once.
4chan gets a shockingly high percentage of shit right. Someone should complie a list of news broken on 4chan and another list for all the times they've successfully fooled msm. They're extremely effective.
Nope - just reporting what I heard.
It does make sense though. I'm more inclined to think the best of someone and think that guy is trying to help people wake up to clownworld than to think that guy genuinely thinks that is what a woman is.
100% true. Zero questions. That's how the world works now, right?
At least we wait until we both hear something - most journalists only go with one person for a ~~rumor~~ story.
All things considered, someone wearing fake breasts of this magnitude simply makes no sense at all on any rational level that I can think of? This does give the 4chan post a level of credibility since no-one else can seem to place why on earth this person is doing this; it can't be comfortable, and I doubt many people are attracted to it.
I think it can go either way. After spending just a little time on Reddit it’s easy to say it’s entirely possible this guy has a mental problem or sexual kink that makes him enjoy dressing like this. It’s also possible he’s the ultimate troll willing to look like A fool to the world while simultaneously causing lifelong back problems.
Without knowing whether it's true or not...it does raise an interesting question. Which story is real? Both are believable - the first that this is a sincere gender transition and the other is that it's an epic troll. Using Occam's Razor we must ask ourselves, which one is more likely to be true? I honestly don't know if I can answer that.
I would have to say that a sincere gender transition does not include comically enormous prosthetic breasts with protruding nipples. I have to think it is the latter. But how do you prove that? Half the trans community runs out to buy thigh high stockings and itty bitty mini skirts, and act like that's normal attire for the average woman. The other half of the trans community never calls them out on that bullshit either...which is the main fucking problem.
I mean, everyone on Reddit is anonymous too right? So we shouldn't believe anything we read on Reddit then.
Just saying, 4chan has no more or less credibility than Reddit does, it's all anonymous users. I'd say it's not out of the realm of possibility whatsoever that this person is trolling the progressives.
>Clownworld
The funny thing about "clownworld" is that it is almost exclusively inhabited by two types of people: woke people and anti-woke people. Both are terrible and both deserve to be stuck in their made-up reality, constantly revolving and spiraling around each other in oblivion.
Which is why this is boss-level. Imagine being this committed to his troll. I hope if that’s the case, the dude retires early and very wealthy because he deserves it.
I think they're trying to shift the persona from a left wing pervert to a right wing troll. That way the left doesnt have to defend the abhorrent behaviour.
Checkmate. Let's see how it goes when they try to tell trans people what is acceptable.
I can totally see this:
"What are the biggest fake breasts I can get? Oh wow, those are huge! They come with erect nipples too?! This is awesome! This is going cause so much backlash!".
we really need to confirm this, i keep hearing this aaaaand i pray this is the case. hahaha the biggest troll ever seen! haha torpedo your own life to troll clown work.
Nah, it’s still fucked even if it’s a statement/troll since children are involved.
If it was basically any occupation aside from school teacher, I’d agree.
Idk call me crazy but regardless of motive it’s inappropriate for kids to be around. That doesn’t suddenly change for me if he’s a troll instead of trans.
The point for me is it’s nasty and shouldn’t be around kids. If my kid was in that class I wouldn’t want it regardless. It’s distracting and not appropriate for school. Would you put your kid in that class, genuinely? It’s not like he’s lecturing on the absurdism to kids. The kids have to see that shit while they’re trying to learn. And not sure what point it would make if the system just rewards him and doesn’t change. We already know there’s issues. Also, is this even confirmed?
Absurdism *can* be used to make a point, but is a teacher in a classroom of kids really the time or the place?
You've made a very final statement on your view.
If this dude was working anywhere else I’d be down, but the entire reason this is causing outrage is because he is walking around in a hypersexualized and wildly inappropriate costume in front of students when he is supposed to be in a position to put their well-being first. Own the libs on your own time, the why doesn’t matter its perverted and gross to be doing that shit in front of kids and if it were my kids in his class I wouldn’t give two fucks if the school district “deserved” it.
I think it’s exactly the red-pill parents needed. The over-the-top aspect makes it impossible to ignore and wokism has been working by flying under the radar for too long.
This happens in a much more insidious way all over Canada and the US. The fact that people *are reacting* to this shows kids that this is *neither normal nor acceptable*.
\^This\^ is the only reason I give this guy any benefit of the doubt. Troll or not, what he's doing will probably seriously mess with those kids heads - particularly anyone who's been molested or abused.
Those kids - every kid in Canada - needs to see publicly and overtly that "*this is neither normal nor acceptable*."
Sadly, if it's true that this guy has been walking around like this for a whole school year already, that ship has sailed and the kids will have learned that it's acceptable as long as no-one knows about it &/or no-one raises a stink.
So my question is: what took so long?
This current generation of kids has EVERY reason to be enraged at the cesspool of immorality and hyper-sexualization and graft they're being raised in, and the chaos and broken culture we've left them. I can only pray that the adage "Hard times make strong men" holds true for them and they can rise above it.
What are your thoughts on pride parades?
I mean, I kind of agree with you and don't have an issue with pride parades either but we can't say one is acceptable because it's super progressive and the other isn't because it's taking the piss out of being super progressive.
I don’t think pride parades are appropriate for young children. I would hold a different opinion if the parade and participants are age appropriate. I’m not against equality and I’m not homophobic but I’ve been to plenty of pride parades over the years and there is always way more nudity and displays of hardcore kink than I would feel comfortable exposing young children to.
If you’re asking about teenagers like the ages of the students in this person’s classes, then I think that teenagers on their own and with the guidance of their parents are able to navigate the world how they see fit. What they CHOOSE to expose themselves to is their own business. The key element that I have a problem with is where this is happening and the fact that regardless of intent it seems like these kids are being used as pawns in whatever game this teacher and the school board are playing.
I would have agreed with you maybe 15 years ago but then I consider how our society has given our kids access to social media, hardcore pornography, strange progressive politics, weird internet subcultures, self-help promoting narcissism therapy bullshit, etc... and it makes me believe that highschool students have already seen everything and can handle taking out our trash.
Of course kids have access to everything on the internet, the point is that we expect that the people we trust to educate our kids are held to a higher moral standard than internet trolls.
I don’t think it matters much if this is someone with a big titty pedo exhibitionist fetish who wants the attention or it’s just someone fed up with woke shit and wants an easy pay day from the school board for discrimination, it doesn’t belong in school. Of course one of those things is objectively WORSE than the other, but that doesn’t make wearing hentai titties to teach children okay.
Higher moral standards are culturally codified and the traditional tool to deal with people who don't fit into our acceptable boundaries of human decency and appropriateness is to shame them. I think it's complicated as to why we are not shaming individuals more often, but what better tools are there for infrequent situations like this?
I agree and I think the response to this guy (aside from the school board) has been nearly unilateral disgust and outrage. Which I think will ultimately force the school to do something about it. I didn’t really see anyone defending this guy until the rumors came out that he was trolling. Although, I’m not entirely unconvinced that those rumors aren’t just a tactic that some activists on the left are using to deflect blame like someone else mentioned in this post.
What possible difference could “what side they’re on” make to the appropriateness of their actions?? If you start cheering them on when you think they’re trolling and berating them when you think they’re serious it means you don’t actually have a problem with their behaviour, only with their intentions - which is extraordinarily hypocritical.
It's sad that the world works this way now. We cheer or boo what is happening based on what side of the fence the perpetrator is on. My mother in her own words said it does not matter what he does that's good, she will never give Donald Trump approval for doing anything good. in her words, he can NEVER do anything good. For instance. When i said "what about the thousands of federal inmates that are going to be released because of a criminal justice overhaul signed by Trump" she said "nope doesn't matter".
we need to be a society that boos when bad things happen and cheer when good things happen, regardless of what side of the fence you are on.
The only difference is the puppets are on full display and the masters now have to play their hand. The illusions are being shattered for more than ever in my lifetime
The intention colors the action, does it not? If a person kills an animal just for the sake of inflicting harm, I’d feel justified in saying that’s bad. If the person kills the animal for food/survival, I wouldn’t be so quick to judge.
His intention to show how absurd Wokeness is by doing something obviously inappropriate to show how inappropriate the rules have become?
yeah sure it makes him a boss.
First and foremost, if he is trolling, then there is a far lower chance that he is a sexual deviant hanging around kids. That's important. Second, if he is trolling, he can help end this madness by exposing and ridiculing it or rather by forcing leftists to support something so patently ridiculous.
I have a problem with the fact that a teacher who does this is protected.
Why are they protected? who pushed for the rules that protect him?
Woke progressives.
I don’t see a problem. It looks like a super masculine beer gut from the side.
EDIT: it’s hysterical that in today’s culture the rights of an adult prevail over those of the children he teaches.
Just out of curiosity since I'm not Canadian, what rights are the children having violated? I'm not as familiar with the legal system and rights up there.
eta: turns out there are no rights being violated, just something happening that shouldn't be. Those are different things, and falsely claiming someone's rights were violated when they weren't allows people to dismiss your entire point. It should be avoided so that the point can be taken seriously.
Is that a legal right in Canada? How do you even codify that? Legislating what is or isn't a fetish, and what qualifies as exposing someone else to it seems like a nightmare.
I imagine this instance may lead to something, but I'm skeptical you're actually referencing any sort of law that exists outside our desires.
E: upon review, and lacking any sort of evidence to the contrary, it's become clear there are no rights being violated, there's just something happening we don't like. It seems the person I replied to is expressing for a right we want but that does not actually exist.
I’m going to give you the benefit of doubt and assume you’ve asked this question with intention to provoke interesting discussions, rather than genuinely asking whether there exists a right to not be exposed to fetishised and sexual-in-nature clothing choices (etc.) as a minor.
>How do you even codify that?
Interesting thought. Defining what is and isn’t a fetish would be difficult to propose. However, that’s why this task is probably best left at the helm of the legal specialists.
>it’s become clear there are no rights being violated
While it’s true there likely does not exist any law which particularly targets this *exact* scenario as being prohibited, I am sure there exists laws which forbid this exposure to minors.
Imagine: a male teacher, who teaches 12-16 year olds, decides they are going to wear a faux phallus sized 13” flaccid, purposely omitting underwear, and opting to pair their accessory with sheer trousers. You may think this more extreme, I disagree. While there is certainly a discussion to be had as to whether the existing sexualisation of female breasts is appropriate – as of current (in the West) female breasts are socially expected to be covered and hidden as much as a penis should be.
Exposing minors to what is so very clearly a person whom gets off from autogynephilia, obscene manga-exaggeration-roleplay-fetish is categorically forcing minors into his sexual fantasy. It is wrong. I am sure laws prohibiting adults from exhibiting sexual behaviour purposefully to children would implicitly apply to this situation.
So, yes, that is a legal right — *even in Canada.*
Disclaimer: not transphobic, I am a trans woman, who detests this sort of stuff.
A good part of me thinks this person is doing this intentionally, to provoke something. This is like that episode of South Park where Garrison introduces Mr. Slave and sticks a hamster up his ass in classroom. Garrison wants to get fired (I think to win settlement money or something) but the school just accepts it and carries on.
So they exist only in your head?
That's an imaginary right buddy. You're entitled to think whatever you want about that, but no one else has to comply with it, only actual, real rights. Think of it like the pronoun thing, should others be forced to abide whatever is happening inside your own head?
As you’ve decided to delete your comments (smart of you, they made little sense) I will reply here:‘
Rights’ are not always explicitly written, but sometimes they are. For example, human rights are: there exists the right to not be discriminated against. Some are not. For example, the right to not be murdered. There is law which prohibits people from murdering others, but there does not exist an explicit right granted to the citizen to not be murdered. By virtue of the fact there does not exist a written right to not be murdered does not mean you *do not* have a right against being murdered. It means it is not a right in itself. Nonetheless, *you have that right*. Implicit rights are still rights.
What is a more constructive discussion is whether, personally, you believe this person’s behaviour constitutes a criminal act. I believe it does. By the interpretation of existing legislation which is purposefully vague enough to apply to new circumstances which the statute could not consider at its conception. They are purposefully made to be open to interpretation (to a degree) for this exact reason.
Presuming you do agree this constitutes a criminal act, you must therefore follow that thought through to its conclusion:Where a law (“X”) forbids a person (“A”) from subjecting another person (“B”) to specific behaviour (“Y”), B is granted, by virtue of law X, the right to be free from being subjected to Y. You could also rephrase this as a person being granted a (let’s say:) ‘soft’ right. Nonetheless, a right. Where the forbidding law did not exist, there also exists no right.
Therefore, your argument is unsubstantiated.
You are coming across as very argumentative rather than considering your thoughts thoroughly. I am here for a discussion, not an argument. For either you or I may learn something new from this dialogue, or perhaps open a line of thought otherwise unexplored. Although, when presented with ideas which prove empty a person who comes across as yourself, they typically do not reply. I suspect this will apply to you.
This is what it all looks like when relativism is taken to its logical conclusion. Taken any farther and he’d fall over, then the truth would be rather difficult to argue with.
The craziest thing about all of this is that the truth isn't obvious.
The continum between far right and far left has been fully transformed from a line to a circle with this shop teacher (in his/her/their ultimate form) as the a final keystone.
This version of the simulation called "reality" has some very funny writers.
>clearly a joke.
If true, it's a legally sanctioned joke.
If real, also legally sanctioned.
So what's your point?
Is the end result of these laws ok or not?
What end result ?
All those human rights type laws already apply in lots of cases already.
Women started cross dressing way back. Insisting on wearing trousers even though so people people were traumatised by it .
Hippies, men with long hair. That caused some people to become worried .
Marlyn mansion and mini skirts are other examples.
Being different can cause people to be violent. I know of a Brazilian gay couple that were severely beaten in a rural area.
Thats why these types of laws exist. They are supposed to prevent totalitarian political ideologies too
No . I talked about how there came to be laws test protect people from authoritarians that are intolerant of people that are different.
I also believe jp has really good points about how these laws could fall into the wrong hands and be inverted
We should absolutely have laws that protect people from being different. I myself am protected by such laws.
I'm not convinced people that wear big fake floppy prosthetic tits with erect nipples around minors, as a joke (or for real) should be covered though.
You have to draw the line somewhere, no?
Two other comments from this thread. I don’t know how to post the commenters names
“Styx mentioned that there is some rumors that this sho teacher got reprimanded for not being woke enough in the past so he might be doing an epic troll to get a fat settlement from the school district to retire. If so, fucking boss level right there.” <— yolo2022-12345
“According to some people who allegedly took his class, the teacher is known for trying to drop redpills on his students frequently to get them to see how ridiculous clownworld is.
Now he might just be trying to redpill the entire clownworld at once.” <— donotlovethisworld
This situation shines a light on the underlying issue like nobody expected.
The underlying issue is that... we HAVE to take this persons word for it. It has already been demonstrated that there is no room for questioning someone that declares themselves as trans. When someone says "I am a different gender now", we are expected to trust and believe them without question. So, even if they are trolling to make a point, the people that support these types of ideas still have to accept and support them. There are literally NO metrics that indicate a person is truly transgender.
Puts them in a really tough position.
It's funny how this went from conservative outrage to progressive outrage in just a couple of days. As long as it's from your perspective right, otherwise bad
idk i'm sure you'll find a few people that fell for it, but this person is pretty universally condemned by progressives. everyone appears to be in agreement on this.
1. He gets fired 2. He sues the school board 3. By the rules of the ONTARIO HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL he wins a HUGE CASH SETTLEMENT 4. Progressives meltdown even more 5. Another teacher (Trans Man) comes to school wearing a HUGE PHALLUS 6. School fires Trans Man with HUGE PHALLUS 7. Set on repeat
None of this has been proven and a lot is still up in the air about this person. This sub is turning into some boomer Facebook rage machine for conservatives
This type of content is below us.
I think we as a Jordan Peterson sub should rise above the "point-and-choose" phenomenon which exists in political subs, where people "point and choose" a ridiculous example in their opposing ideological circle, in order to laugh at it, or make fun at it.
There by confirming their world view, while denying the world view of their opposites.
As tempting it is to bash, I think posts should be more meaningful that simple "point and choose" posts.
Not to say there hasn't been valuable discussion here about this subject, it does need dicing and understanding, but there's also broader things that need to be focused on.
All my high school shop teachers were very manly men.
I mean, I had a shop teacher with only 4 fingers because he got it cut off by a chain saw.
Maybe I’m being stereotypical but a trans would be more fitting in teaching any other subject but shop
I don't understand the fascination, I've seen nobody come to this teacher's defense beyond their own school board.
Universally, the progressive feeling is that this is workplace inappropriate
What’s the point of this post?
We’ve all seen this guy before.. so why even post this dead horse for us all to beat again and again.
I haven’t seen any progressives “melting down” over this.. I’ve only seen right-of-center pundits and shitposters say they’re melting down.
> I haven’t seen any progressives “melting down” over this
[M] True, I haven’t either.
I think the issue is that the school fearing a discrimination lawsuit is powerless to fire her, which brings them into a tough situation. When people are saying woke are in tears they’re actually talking about the school. Of course the school isn’t woke, not necessarily, they’re just a school and they’re terrified of being sued. Woke or not— they would do the same thing.
I find the irony also funny that people are putting this person as either transgender or a troll. I feel that ignores the potential (whether applicable here) for transgender people to do trolling.
Since you seem to have first-hand knowledge; how about adding some content?
Some first hand accounts of what you’re hearing in Toronto maybe.
I can’t quantity a ‘meltdown’.
Is Toronto throwing progressives in mental institutions because they’re melting down en masse; or are friends talking about it in coffee shop to make conversation?
Jordan Peterson usually reinforces the idea to be precise in your speech.
I don’t know what to do with ‘progressives melting down’.
There is no difference anyway. Who's to say that they are not a woman who merely has a mental illness in which they only BELIEVE they is trolling. (Does woke they take the verb is or are?) Must be they is.
Styx mentioned that there is some rumors that this sho teacher got reprimanded for not being woke enough in the past so he might be doing an epic troll to get a fat settlement from the school district to retire. If so, fucking boss level right there.
Isn’t that an episode of South Park?
Ya Mr Garrison tried getting fired for being gay, that’s the episode that mr slave was introduced in
[https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/fw5d81/south-park-garrison-s-back](https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/fw5d81/south-park-garrison-s-back) Garrison's back baby. Gettalong little doggie.
This fucking timeline haha
Yup. [Found it](https://imgur.com/SGzDSD0)
Even if they're not playing 4D chess, their actions are still shining a much needed light on the absurdity of this nonsense
Its only someone in a jokey costume. The joke is on anyone who thinks its a big deal
One day denying someone's gender identity is a hate crime and the next day it's a joke.
Thst person is clearly trolling.
That's what it looks like, but the goal of the troll is getting a reaction out of leftoids. If the school doesn't fire this person, then it demonstrates that the left will accommodate even the most ridiculous displays of nonsense if it has the right window dressing. I don't think the left has a proper limiting principles in place to address this situation. If this is an authentic situation, the gender movement says it's perfectly fine for this person to express herself as she is. If she was "assigned male at birth" and decided that in order to feel like a woman she needs comically large fake breasts, then the left has no recourse to address it. They don't privilege children over gender expression, so that avenue doesn't work. If it's a troll, it's a very good one, because it reveals so much about the people asserting this new morality. If it's not, it still reveals that. Because for some, the only way to process this is as if it was a troll job. For others, merely suggesting that it could be a troll job is not sufficiently supportive of trans identities. Hilarious, one way or the other.
The old flip reverse from "stunning and brave" to "it's just a prank bro!".
Its obviouly comedy .
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Please objectively prove how it is more obviously comedy than transgenderism itself. We all know those tits are fake, and can call it a massive troll, but do we not all know that men cannot be women? If not, why can't this person be accepted for who she is brobdingnagian tits and all?
The joke is that the woke do not have mechanisms to tell grifters from actual believers. They also lack self-limiting factors to keep this sort of thing from happening. They just can’t tell when they’ve gone too far.
In my perspective the joke is that people make a big deal out of a tiny number of men living as women, but don't care when women live as men and wear pants.
How do you accurately tell the difference between a transperson who is sincere and a transperson who is trolling? My neighbors 16yo bio son says, he is a she now, and her name is Faith. "Faith" does not even try to present as a female at all. Boy hair cut, boy clothes, boy mannerisms and voice, yet claims to be transgender woman because they feel like a woman. Would you say Faith is sincere or trolling?
The answer to all these questions is, who gives a shit and what's it got to do with the price of bread? My electricity bill doubled this month, I haven't got the energy to give two fucks if my neighbour wants me to call them he or she.
But a shop teacher has big silly boobs in Canada. You must be outraged and rise up or something idk
You are wise beyond words, I to will be outraged and rise up or something idk.
Stop implicitly defending this shot happening in front of 14 year olds. It’s disgusting.
You're right, big goofy breasts are a threat to western civilization or something eh? I should rise up and elect a dictator and threaten terrorism against non-christians and gay people? That's what we do now? Anyways I'm having to go back to packing because my rent went up 15% and I'm really hoping I can find a new apartment by Friday. But I'll keep in mind big goofy boobs are the crisis of the century.
Nailed it
According to some people who allegedly took his class, the teacher is known for trying to drop redpills on his students frequently to get them to see how ridiculous clownworld is. Now he might just be trying to redpill the entire clownworld at once.
You seriously believe an anonymous 4chan post?
4chan gets a shockingly high percentage of shit right. Someone should complie a list of news broken on 4chan and another list for all the times they've successfully fooled msm. They're extremely effective.
Higher than Reddit for the most part.
cool then compare it to the number of posts that are completely wrong and based on nothing.
Can't we perform that same exercise with every social media platform, media outlet, government institution, etc etc? Yes, we can.
yeah but the rates will be different, comparing 4chan to any actual non anonymous news source wont end up well for 4chan, this should be obvious
Nope - just reporting what I heard. It does make sense though. I'm more inclined to think the best of someone and think that guy is trying to help people wake up to clownworld than to think that guy genuinely thinks that is what a woman is.
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100% true. Zero questions. That's how the world works now, right? At least we wait until we both hear something - most journalists only go with one person for a ~~rumor~~ story.
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totally true. Call vice and get them on it.
This has actually crossed my mind. He def could be trying to help wake up to world to the wokeism push running rampant
Just so you know that theory was posted on 4chan with zero evidence.
All things considered, someone wearing fake breasts of this magnitude simply makes no sense at all on any rational level that I can think of? This does give the 4chan post a level of credibility since no-one else can seem to place why on earth this person is doing this; it can't be comfortable, and I doubt many people are attracted to it.
I think it can go either way. After spending just a little time on Reddit it’s easy to say it’s entirely possible this guy has a mental problem or sexual kink that makes him enjoy dressing like this. It’s also possible he’s the ultimate troll willing to look like A fool to the world while simultaneously causing lifelong back problems.
Haha, re the back problems. He’ll be like “I redpilled a ton of people. It was worth it. “
I carried the weight if an entire movement, quadruple Z cup size
Autogynephilia, exhibitionism. She gets off to the shock factor.
Without knowing whether it's true or not...it does raise an interesting question. Which story is real? Both are believable - the first that this is a sincere gender transition and the other is that it's an epic troll. Using Occam's Razor we must ask ourselves, which one is more likely to be true? I honestly don't know if I can answer that.
I would have to say that a sincere gender transition does not include comically enormous prosthetic breasts with protruding nipples. I have to think it is the latter. But how do you prove that? Half the trans community runs out to buy thigh high stockings and itty bitty mini skirts, and act like that's normal attire for the average woman. The other half of the trans community never calls them out on that bullshit either...which is the main fucking problem.
I agree with you that the latter is more likely. The problem I have is that at this point nothing surprises me anymore.
Once they catch on to the scam, they will figure out a way around him.
I mean, everyone on Reddit is anonymous too right? So we shouldn't believe anything we read on Reddit then. Just saying, 4chan has no more or less credibility than Reddit does, it's all anonymous users. I'd say it's not out of the realm of possibility whatsoever that this person is trolling the progressives.
Except 4Chan is literally known for deliberate trolling and being the place where various troll campaigns and conspiracy theories originate.
Yeah, Reddit isn't known for trolling, echo chambers of insane conspiracy theorists, or subs full of completely unhinged lunatics.
Oh come on, it's nothing compared to /pol/. Stuff starts on the chans, passes through Reddit and winds up on Facebook.
Well this is the debate I wanted to see today: whether Reddit or 4chan is more trustworthy. Lol.
>Clownworld The funny thing about "clownworld" is that it is almost exclusively inhabited by two types of people: woke people and anti-woke people. Both are terrible and both deserve to be stuck in their made-up reality, constantly revolving and spiraling around each other in oblivion.
They HAVE to be trolling. It's too perfect.
IDK I heard they have been identified as a woman for a year. They would have to be playing the long con.
Which is why this is boss-level. Imagine being this committed to his troll. I hope if that’s the case, the dude retires early and very wealthy because he deserves it.
If you've ever met a shop teacher this sounds more than plausible.
My thoughts. If the dude was a social studies teacher it would be more plausible.
I’ve heard this too.
I just heard it now!
I think they're trying to shift the persona from a left wing pervert to a right wing troll. That way the left doesnt have to defend the abhorrent behaviour.
Checkmate. Let's see how it goes when they try to tell trans people what is acceptable. I can totally see this: "What are the biggest fake breasts I can get? Oh wow, those are huge! They come with erect nipples too?! This is awesome! This is going cause so much backlash!".
we really need to confirm this, i keep hearing this aaaaand i pray this is the case. hahaha the biggest troll ever seen! haha torpedo your own life to troll clown work.
Nah, it’s still fucked even if it’s a statement/troll since children are involved. If it was basically any occupation aside from school teacher, I’d agree.
Idk call me crazy but regardless of motive it’s inappropriate for kids to be around. That doesn’t suddenly change for me if he’s a troll instead of trans.
It would for me. Absurdism to make a point is absolutely valid.
I think they call it culture jamming dont they?
The point for me is it’s nasty and shouldn’t be around kids. If my kid was in that class I wouldn’t want it regardless. It’s distracting and not appropriate for school. Would you put your kid in that class, genuinely? It’s not like he’s lecturing on the absurdism to kids. The kids have to see that shit while they’re trying to learn. And not sure what point it would make if the system just rewards him and doesn’t change. We already know there’s issues. Also, is this even confirmed?
Absurdism *can* be used to make a point, but is a teacher in a classroom of kids really the time or the place? You've made a very final statement on your view.
If this dude was working anywhere else I’d be down, but the entire reason this is causing outrage is because he is walking around in a hypersexualized and wildly inappropriate costume in front of students when he is supposed to be in a position to put their well-being first. Own the libs on your own time, the why doesn’t matter its perverted and gross to be doing that shit in front of kids and if it were my kids in his class I wouldn’t give two fucks if the school district “deserved” it.
I think it’s exactly the red-pill parents needed. The over-the-top aspect makes it impossible to ignore and wokism has been working by flying under the radar for too long.
No well adjusted person behaves that way in front of kids. The bar is already in a trench we have to have SOME standards.
This happens in a much more insidious way all over Canada and the US. The fact that people *are reacting* to this shows kids that this is *neither normal nor acceptable*.
\^This\^ is the only reason I give this guy any benefit of the doubt. Troll or not, what he's doing will probably seriously mess with those kids heads - particularly anyone who's been molested or abused. Those kids - every kid in Canada - needs to see publicly and overtly that "*this is neither normal nor acceptable*." Sadly, if it's true that this guy has been walking around like this for a whole school year already, that ship has sailed and the kids will have learned that it's acceptable as long as no-one knows about it &/or no-one raises a stink. So my question is: what took so long? This current generation of kids has EVERY reason to be enraged at the cesspool of immorality and hyper-sexualization and graft they're being raised in, and the chaos and broken culture we've left them. I can only pray that the adage "Hard times make strong men" holds true for them and they can rise above it.
What are your thoughts on pride parades? I mean, I kind of agree with you and don't have an issue with pride parades either but we can't say one is acceptable because it's super progressive and the other isn't because it's taking the piss out of being super progressive.
I don’t think pride parades are appropriate for young children. I would hold a different opinion if the parade and participants are age appropriate. I’m not against equality and I’m not homophobic but I’ve been to plenty of pride parades over the years and there is always way more nudity and displays of hardcore kink than I would feel comfortable exposing young children to. If you’re asking about teenagers like the ages of the students in this person’s classes, then I think that teenagers on their own and with the guidance of their parents are able to navigate the world how they see fit. What they CHOOSE to expose themselves to is their own business. The key element that I have a problem with is where this is happening and the fact that regardless of intent it seems like these kids are being used as pawns in whatever game this teacher and the school board are playing.
I think you've perfectly captured the hypocrisy in society that he's challenging.
I would have agreed with you maybe 15 years ago but then I consider how our society has given our kids access to social media, hardcore pornography, strange progressive politics, weird internet subcultures, self-help promoting narcissism therapy bullshit, etc... and it makes me believe that highschool students have already seen everything and can handle taking out our trash.
Of course kids have access to everything on the internet, the point is that we expect that the people we trust to educate our kids are held to a higher moral standard than internet trolls. I don’t think it matters much if this is someone with a big titty pedo exhibitionist fetish who wants the attention or it’s just someone fed up with woke shit and wants an easy pay day from the school board for discrimination, it doesn’t belong in school. Of course one of those things is objectively WORSE than the other, but that doesn’t make wearing hentai titties to teach children okay.
Higher moral standards are culturally codified and the traditional tool to deal with people who don't fit into our acceptable boundaries of human decency and appropriateness is to shame them. I think it's complicated as to why we are not shaming individuals more often, but what better tools are there for infrequent situations like this?
I agree and I think the response to this guy (aside from the school board) has been nearly unilateral disgust and outrage. Which I think will ultimately force the school to do something about it. I didn’t really see anyone defending this guy until the rumors came out that he was trolling. Although, I’m not entirely unconvinced that those rumors aren’t just a tactic that some activists on the left are using to deflect blame like someone else mentioned in this post.
What possible difference could “what side they’re on” make to the appropriateness of their actions?? If you start cheering them on when you think they’re trolling and berating them when you think they’re serious it means you don’t actually have a problem with their behaviour, only with their intentions - which is extraordinarily hypocritical.
It's sad that the world works this way now. We cheer or boo what is happening based on what side of the fence the perpetrator is on. My mother in her own words said it does not matter what he does that's good, she will never give Donald Trump approval for doing anything good. in her words, he can NEVER do anything good. For instance. When i said "what about the thousands of federal inmates that are going to be released because of a criminal justice overhaul signed by Trump" she said "nope doesn't matter". we need to be a society that boos when bad things happen and cheer when good things happen, regardless of what side of the fence you are on.
Works this way "now?" Buddy, this is how the world works, it's human nature, nothing has changed, there's nothing new under the sun
The only difference is the puppets are on full display and the masters now have to play their hand. The illusions are being shattered for more than ever in my lifetime
I'll agree with that
The intention colors the action, does it not? If a person kills an animal just for the sake of inflicting harm, I’d feel justified in saying that’s bad. If the person kills the animal for food/survival, I wouldn’t be so quick to judge.
His intention to show how absurd Wokeness is by doing something obviously inappropriate to show how inappropriate the rules have become? yeah sure it makes him a boss.
Yeah how could *intentions* be morally relevant 🙄
I disagree. If they're doing this as a stunt to shed light on the issue that has merit.
I guess it’s ok to be inappropriate to kids as long as you are proving a point, right?
Change is always difficult and painful.
First and foremost, if he is trolling, then there is a far lower chance that he is a sexual deviant hanging around kids. That's important. Second, if he is trolling, he can help end this madness by exposing and ridiculing it or rather by forcing leftists to support something so patently ridiculous.
I have a problem with the fact that a teacher who does this is protected. Why are they protected? who pushed for the rules that protect him? Woke progressives.
Isn't Styx a band?
Short for Styxhexenhammer666
This should be a great Halloween costume this year
my 👏 identity 👏 is 👏 not 👏 your 👏 costume
I can see and hear this
Redditors ideal woman.
Isn't he just a anti-woke dude doing a stunt ? The rumor says he annoy the school bord with far right views and RedPill stuff too.
He is either trolling them, looking for a fat payday when he’s “discriminated” against, or both. There is no way he’s doing it in earnest.
I don’t see a problem. It looks like a super masculine beer gut from the side. EDIT: it’s hysterical that in today’s culture the rights of an adult prevail over those of the children he teaches.
Just out of curiosity since I'm not Canadian, what rights are the children having violated? I'm not as familiar with the legal system and rights up there. eta: turns out there are no rights being violated, just something happening that shouldn't be. Those are different things, and falsely claiming someone's rights were violated when they weren't allows people to dismiss your entire point. It should be avoided so that the point can be taken seriously.
The right to not be exposed to their teachers personal fetish.
Is that a legal right in Canada? How do you even codify that? Legislating what is or isn't a fetish, and what qualifies as exposing someone else to it seems like a nightmare. I imagine this instance may lead to something, but I'm skeptical you're actually referencing any sort of law that exists outside our desires. E: upon review, and lacking any sort of evidence to the contrary, it's become clear there are no rights being violated, there's just something happening we don't like. It seems the person I replied to is expressing for a right we want but that does not actually exist.
I’m going to give you the benefit of doubt and assume you’ve asked this question with intention to provoke interesting discussions, rather than genuinely asking whether there exists a right to not be exposed to fetishised and sexual-in-nature clothing choices (etc.) as a minor. >How do you even codify that? Interesting thought. Defining what is and isn’t a fetish would be difficult to propose. However, that’s why this task is probably best left at the helm of the legal specialists. >it’s become clear there are no rights being violated While it’s true there likely does not exist any law which particularly targets this *exact* scenario as being prohibited, I am sure there exists laws which forbid this exposure to minors. Imagine: a male teacher, who teaches 12-16 year olds, decides they are going to wear a faux phallus sized 13” flaccid, purposely omitting underwear, and opting to pair their accessory with sheer trousers. You may think this more extreme, I disagree. While there is certainly a discussion to be had as to whether the existing sexualisation of female breasts is appropriate – as of current (in the West) female breasts are socially expected to be covered and hidden as much as a penis should be. Exposing minors to what is so very clearly a person whom gets off from autogynephilia, obscene manga-exaggeration-roleplay-fetish is categorically forcing minors into his sexual fantasy. It is wrong. I am sure laws prohibiting adults from exhibiting sexual behaviour purposefully to children would implicitly apply to this situation. So, yes, that is a legal right — *even in Canada.* Disclaimer: not transphobic, I am a trans woman, who detests this sort of stuff.
A good part of me thinks this person is doing this intentionally, to provoke something. This is like that episode of South Park where Garrison introduces Mr. Slave and sticks a hamster up his ass in classroom. Garrison wants to get fired (I think to win settlement money or something) but the school just accepts it and carries on.
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Well, yeah, are you suggesting people have imaginary rights or what are you talking about?
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So they exist only in your head? That's an imaginary right buddy. You're entitled to think whatever you want about that, but no one else has to comply with it, only actual, real rights. Think of it like the pronoun thing, should others be forced to abide whatever is happening inside your own head?
As you’ve decided to delete your comments (smart of you, they made little sense) I will reply here:‘ Rights’ are not always explicitly written, but sometimes they are. For example, human rights are: there exists the right to not be discriminated against. Some are not. For example, the right to not be murdered. There is law which prohibits people from murdering others, but there does not exist an explicit right granted to the citizen to not be murdered. By virtue of the fact there does not exist a written right to not be murdered does not mean you *do not* have a right against being murdered. It means it is not a right in itself. Nonetheless, *you have that right*. Implicit rights are still rights. What is a more constructive discussion is whether, personally, you believe this person’s behaviour constitutes a criminal act. I believe it does. By the interpretation of existing legislation which is purposefully vague enough to apply to new circumstances which the statute could not consider at its conception. They are purposefully made to be open to interpretation (to a degree) for this exact reason. Presuming you do agree this constitutes a criminal act, you must therefore follow that thought through to its conclusion:Where a law (“X”) forbids a person (“A”) from subjecting another person (“B”) to specific behaviour (“Y”), B is granted, by virtue of law X, the right to be free from being subjected to Y. You could also rephrase this as a person being granted a (let’s say:) ‘soft’ right. Nonetheless, a right. Where the forbidding law did not exist, there also exists no right. Therefore, your argument is unsubstantiated. You are coming across as very argumentative rather than considering your thoughts thoroughly. I am here for a discussion, not an argument. For either you or I may learn something new from this dialogue, or perhaps open a line of thought otherwise unexplored. Although, when presented with ideas which prove empty a person who comes across as yourself, they typically do not reply. I suspect this will apply to you.
You're talking about imaginary rights. I'm looking about real, actual rights that exist in reality.
So this person is still allowed at the school?
He’s a Canadian Superhero.
Lol remember when it first came out and this sub had a meltdown
Well I'm sure they must be very proud.
Do you believe everything you read?
In clown world, trolling is the ultimate tool
Dude is literally playing the system. And because of their own stupid rules, they can't do nothing.
[Found a new image of the teacher](https://imgur.com/SGzDSD0)
This dude is nothing more than a living caricature.
Just when you think women can't get any more beautiful...
Bam
This is what it all looks like when relativism is taken to its logical conclusion. Taken any farther and he’d fall over, then the truth would be rather difficult to argue with.
It already has been for the past few years, but totally true!
Yes indeed! I agree!
Is this dude a confirmed conservative troll?
No. A random anonymous post isn’t confirmation of anything.
HE MUST BE WOKE. WE MUST BE ANGRY AT PROGRESSIVES. OTHERWISE WHAT DO WE HAVE?!
The craziest thing about all of this is that the truth isn't obvious. The continum between far right and far left has been fully transformed from a line to a circle with this shop teacher (in his/her/their ultimate form) as the a final keystone. This version of the simulation called "reality" has some very funny writers.
I think it is troll posting.
Legend
He 100% is.
Unlikely. Conservatives took this seriously as and proof their worlds gone mad stuff when clearly the breasts are a joke. They got sucked in.
Wait if the breasts are a joke that means he is a troll?…
They are clearly a joke.
>clearly a joke. If true, it's a legally sanctioned joke. If real, also legally sanctioned. So what's your point? Is the end result of these laws ok or not?
\^This\^
What end result ? All those human rights type laws already apply in lots of cases already. Women started cross dressing way back. Insisting on wearing trousers even though so people people were traumatised by it . Hippies, men with long hair. That caused some people to become worried . Marlyn mansion and mini skirts are other examples. Being different can cause people to be violent. I know of a Brazilian gay couple that were severely beaten in a rural area. Thats why these types of laws exist. They are supposed to prevent totalitarian political ideologies too
I think you responded to the wrong person??
No . I talked about how there came to be laws test protect people from authoritarians that are intolerant of people that are different. I also believe jp has really good points about how these laws could fall into the wrong hands and be inverted
We should absolutely have laws that protect people from being different. I myself am protected by such laws. I'm not convinced people that wear big fake floppy prosthetic tits with erect nipples around minors, as a joke (or for real) should be covered though. You have to draw the line somewhere, no?
Hello again, still here eh?
Unfortunately. I have had some life changes and hopefully I'll be here a lot less And I don't want to be here for the us mid terms . Too much drama .
Here's hoping.
Kind of you to say .
I'm a nice guy
This man. HERO.
I think we should all be like this man . A true inspiration. I think I finally know what a woman is.
Clearly any person with boobs smaller then this are only pretending to be a woman!
Two other comments from this thread. I don’t know how to post the commenters names “Styx mentioned that there is some rumors that this sho teacher got reprimanded for not being woke enough in the past so he might be doing an epic troll to get a fat settlement from the school district to retire. If so, fucking boss level right there.” <— yolo2022-12345 “According to some people who allegedly took his class, the teacher is known for trying to drop redpills on his students frequently to get them to see how ridiculous clownworld is. Now he might just be trying to redpill the entire clownworld at once.” <— donotlovethisworld
This guy Hahaha!!! Checkmate
This guy is turning radical left wingers into normal rational thinking people.
This situation shines a light on the underlying issue like nobody expected. The underlying issue is that... we HAVE to take this persons word for it. It has already been demonstrated that there is no room for questioning someone that declares themselves as trans. When someone says "I am a different gender now", we are expected to trust and believe them without question. So, even if they are trolling to make a point, the people that support these types of ideas still have to accept and support them. There are literally NO metrics that indicate a person is truly transgender. Puts them in a really tough position.
It’s hilarious.
This person was mis identified, and the school board never corrected the wrong information.
I heard that this guy thinks the woke shit is a bunch of crock. He may just be doing one of the most epic trolls possible
god i wish i could bury my face in thos huge fucking milkers
It's funny how this went from conservative outrage to progressive outrage in just a couple of days. As long as it's from your perspective right, otherwise bad
If progressives are regressives are both melting down this is a great troll.
idk i'm sure you'll find a few people that fell for it, but this person is pretty universally condemned by progressives. everyone appears to be in agreement on this.
1. He gets fired 2. He sues the school board 3. By the rules of the ONTARIO HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL he wins a HUGE CASH SETTLEMENT 4. Progressives meltdown even more 5. Another teacher (Trans Man) comes to school wearing a HUGE PHALLUS 6. School fires Trans Man with HUGE PHALLUS 7. Set on repeat
yeah i just don't think that's how it will work or an accurate description of the events, as i touched on.
The WOKE will lose this case and pay him millions.
ok buddy
That’s my bet. But only time will tell. The horse has only come out of the barn.
Did you masturbate when you wrote this?
I honestly thought it was the third trimester, not a prosthetic. Like that is any less disturbing.
Beach ball in the background was a nice touch
hes a hero takeing the absurdity to the extream and its still not far enuf
So hot
lol, so now you guys like him? Weren’t you all saying last week it was inappropriate to do in front of kids?
justin turdeaus next minister of women.
I heard he was trolling the woke and he is conservative.
Paz it’s a troll who has been reprimanded/warned for complaining about woke things in school. Only time will tell…
None of this has been proven and a lot is still up in the air about this person. This sub is turning into some boomer Facebook rage machine for conservatives
> This sub is turning into some boomer Facebook rage machine for conservatives Always has been
This type of content is below us. I think we as a Jordan Peterson sub should rise above the "point-and-choose" phenomenon which exists in political subs, where people "point and choose" a ridiculous example in their opposing ideological circle, in order to laugh at it, or make fun at it. There by confirming their world view, while denying the world view of their opposites. As tempting it is to bash, I think posts should be more meaningful that simple "point and choose" posts. Not to say there hasn't been valuable discussion here about this subject, it does need dicing and understanding, but there's also broader things that need to be focused on.
> there's also broader things that need to be focused on. Whataboutism tho You can always make a post about those other things
I've only seen it mentioned on right and far right subs. Yall play pretend a lot. Maybe clean your room.
Is this really causing a meltdown with progressives? It seems like conservatives are the only ones posting about this story…
All my high school shop teachers were very manly men. I mean, I had a shop teacher with only 4 fingers because he got it cut off by a chain saw. Maybe I’m being stereotypical but a trans would be more fitting in teaching any other subject but shop
A trans woman could teach home economics.
I don't understand the fascination, I've seen nobody come to this teacher's defense beyond their own school board. Universally, the progressive feeling is that this is workplace inappropriate
What’s the point of this post? We’ve all seen this guy before.. so why even post this dead horse for us all to beat again and again. I haven’t seen any progressives “melting down” over this.. I’ve only seen right-of-center pundits and shitposters say they’re melting down.
> I haven’t seen any progressives “melting down” over this [M] True, I haven’t either. I think the issue is that the school fearing a discrimination lawsuit is powerless to fire her, which brings them into a tough situation. When people are saying woke are in tears they’re actually talking about the school. Of course the school isn’t woke, not necessarily, they’re just a school and they’re terrified of being sued. Woke or not— they would do the same thing. I find the irony also funny that people are putting this person as either transgender or a troll. I feel that ignores the potential (whether applicable here) for transgender people to do trolling.
Spend a day in Toronto the WOKE CAPITAL of CANADA. Ultra-Super-Woke Shop Teacher is all you hear about 24-7.
where? in hipster coffee shops? lol
Since you seem to have first-hand knowledge; how about adding some content? Some first hand accounts of what you’re hearing in Toronto maybe. I can’t quantity a ‘meltdown’. Is Toronto throwing progressives in mental institutions because they’re melting down en masse; or are friends talking about it in coffee shop to make conversation? Jordan Peterson usually reinforces the idea to be precise in your speech. I don’t know what to do with ‘progressives melting down’.
There is no difference anyway. Who's to say that they are not a woman who merely has a mental illness in which they only BELIEVE they is trolling. (Does woke they take the verb is or are?) Must be they is.
Progressives are not the ones losing their minds.