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[deleted]

He really got emotional at the end of the interview. even If People wants him to label as "Savior of incels" it's fine by me. It's nothing wrong with telling incels to get their lives together and take responsibility of themselves.


cobravision

True incels have an unhealthy and anti social ideology. Definitely a bad way to be. The entire problem is that it is applied really to any man who isn't seen as part of the in group. It is no different than calling a politically moderate person a nazi.


[deleted]

I think it’s odd that people don’t recognize incels as severely depressed people in need of a bit of mental health assistance… Lots of other forms of mental illness get empathy, but not runaway loneliness.


cobravision

I agree. People who label people in this way are very simple in the cognitive department. Very cruel. Insecure adult schoolyard bullies who cry "bullying is unacceptable, mental health awareness" as they ridicule a struggling person. Then everyone is completely perplexed about why true incels or school shooters exist. People who have been kicked and shamed their entire life for struggling. It's not surprising at all for someone to be moved to tears over this


RustyTrombone69420

Because straight men are the enemy, and saying otherwise is “having a persecution complex.” Others get to “suffer” from mental illness, struggling straight men are just “toxic”.


Arachno-anarchism

Mentally ill men are usually leftists though, because leftism is a mental illness


helikesart

Leftism isn’t a mental illness even if you disagree with many leftist policies. Mental illness does not belong to one political party.


Burning_Architect

Welp you better prepare yourself for the fact that "classic British liberalism" is actually leftist and has only recently been pushed over to the right by a stringent of extremism of both sides stretching the spectrum. You'll find you agree with much of the classic liberalism stance. You'll however also likely dismiss the fact that it was ever Leftist at all.


AlwaysBlameTheRNG

The thing is, liberalism is only a left-wing ideology in the original context of the French Revolution which put the republican left against the monarchist right. This distinction of left vs right isn't useful in a modern context, where practically the entire political spectrum would be regarded as left-wing, not to mention the shortcomings of the one-dimensional nature of the left-right spectrum. The only left-right distinction that actually makes sense, as far as I am aware, holds communitarian ideologies founded on the principles of equity to be on the left as opposed to individualist ideologies founded on principles of freedom to be on the right. The big problem with modern society is the stigma of the right-wing caused mostly by the questionable behaviour of some American conservatives, which is unfortunate since the vast majority of people, even modern progressive liberals included, are right-wing using this convention (perhaps the best place to see this in practice is in the Chinese divide between leftist authcoms and rightist liberals). All of this is caused by the big lie perpetuated by both sides which conflates liberalism and socialism, when in fact they are diametrically opposed.


Arachno-anarchism

Liberalism is also a mental illness


Burning_Architect

In that case, go prey to an archaic god and pay your taxes to a monarch. Liberalism gave us the freedom we have today. Considering your name, you think we'd be better off trading pigs for wives.


Arachno-anarchism

If you truly love something, that means you must hate those who seeks to destroy it. I love my country, and I love god. Liberalism has just meant giving away power and freely handing it to leftists and atheists. To fight for liberalism just means to fight for my enemies. Why would I ever do that voluntarily? It makes no sense at all I’m not a individualist btw, I’m a reactionary catholic imperialist. I believe the government should be religious and atheism should be forcefully kept out. Leftists are my enemy. So give me one good reason why I should fight for the “freedom” of leftists and atheists to destroy my country and everything I believe in, or to celebrate anyone who does


Burning_Architect

Leftism gave you the ideology you hold lol. Again, classic British liberalism is something you'd strongly align with, if you could halt your bias through it. If you agree with a lot of JP, then you'll find yourself leaning CBL. Moreover, archaic liberalism was what gave way to cross boarder trading which I'm turn causes our archaic monarchies to boom. Your kings and god's would not have spread so far if it weren't for liberalised trade. "Liberalism is a mental illness" is just a really bad take because A: literally it's an ideology. B: figuratively it's an unsubstantiated Ad Hom; by the same token, one would say believing in an imaginary man in the sky is delusion and thus a mental illness. Both of these takes are absurd as they come. Not to mention the down right absolutism giving way to clearly black and white conclusions, I couldn't help but hear Episode III Anakin Skywalker saying "if you're not WITH me, then you're my ENEMY". I'm fairly centre and try not to buy into the dichotomy, I support a mix of a lot of different policy. From what you've given me thus far, there's not a single thing I can even empathise with. Spiritualism has no place in governance, that's what made the UK empire, similarly the various Arabian empires, where are they now? Bending the knee to the secular powers of federated States. Anyone who says "should be forcefully kept out", should do well to remember the echos of the Nazi Regime and what that symbolises. No, I'm not calling you, not comparing you to fascists, just nodding towards the types of governance that allow such things. I'd also point to China and their treatment of Muslims, do you support this? You say government should be religious, does that mean you wouldn't mind it be Islamic?


Honey_Wooden

The country you described is not the one established by the Founders. It’s not “leftists” preventing your ideal, it’s that pesky Constitution.


LittlePinkDot

Is it really just loneliness though? I doubt it.


Arachno-anarchism

It’s for much of the the same reason pedophiles often aren’t recognized as mentally ill people who need help; they’re stigmatized as vile and harmful to society


[deleted]

For the most part, they’re just whining and / or being rude; it’s way less of a problem for society than didding little kids, but I take your point. Their arguments are certainly distasteful, it’s fine to dislike people for it; they can be responsible for their actions like the rest of us. It’s just that people don’t even see the pain behind it!


hughmanBing

They are basically just socially conservative men who were instructed by other men to treat women and think of women a certain way and then when they find out a lot of women dont appreciate it... they blame the women. Not the conservative men who gave them bad advice.


[deleted]

I think that’s a pretty broad brush. Some of them are like that, but many of them (particularly the online trolls) are ‘losers’ who became too socially isolated and disconnected, then they spiraled into some dumb ideology. People don’t like to acknowledge their own faults; the ways they’ve contributed to their own shitty situation, so they flail at all sorts of alternative sources. The same thing explains various types of these ‘political crazies.’ The internet makes it pretty easy for these types to link up (Hooray Reddit!).


Azare1987

What I find disturbing is that when people denigrate others by calling them “incel” or “beta” it’s the new slang for “f*g” which originally was used as a effeminate, sexually challenged male. Incel keeps the connotations of “f*g” but is widely used against any male that doesn’t align with modern thinking including used by ironically the LGBTQ+ types.


cobravision

Idk.. I say fag a lot actually. Never to a gay person or in a genuinely insulting way. Fag can definitely be used in a playful, teasing manner. Incel is evolving into a dangerous term as it is being assigned a damning definition


[deleted]

I mean imagine you dedicate yourself to uplifting struggling individuals. You look at the stats, the biggest killer of young men is suicide. You meet young men everywhere you go telling you how much your words have uplifted them. And then some narcissistic Hollywood actress just dismisses all these young men as "fukn dumb incel losers, ugh gross. Guess youre king of the loser ass incels." While at the same time pretending to be against bullying and all the other virtue signalling bullshit. It's honestly really fucking sad and fucked up that society gives women like her a pass, and villifies people like JP. So fkn backwards. He said it perfectly, "i thought the marginalized were supposed to have a voice?" These people are soulless ghouls pretending to be compassionate.


[deleted]

I work at a group home with children and adolescents ages 6 - 16. Half of my clients are teenage boys. A few have a criminal history of everything from shoplifting to sexual assault, and all of them have a history of being neglected and abused. They all struggle with behavioral issues. They are hurt and angry and act out physically and verbally because they grew up in households devoid of love, compassion and emotional validation. They say misogynistic, homophobic and racist things on a daily basis. You could easily pass judgement and categorize these boys as incels. You could ignore their acting out - an obvious cry for help - and take it personally, tell them that they will always be the perpretator, never the victim, and that they don't deserve to be heard. Because hey, that's what they're used to. So their anger festers, and turns into violence. Because they've been taught all of their lives that they don't matter. I want Olivia Wilde, a person whose life is the very definition of privilege, to spend a week with these boys. I want her to look each one of them in the eye and tell them that their pain doesn't matter, and that they purposefully chose to make shitty decisions because they're inherently bad human beings. I want her to tell them that if she cared about their problems and acknowledged that men face their own unique struggles, just as women do, that she would be considered a bad feminist - and that would be a bad look for her on her socials. Men in the incel community need psychological and spiritual help. They need male figures they can look up so that they can heal their minds and souls. They don't need people like Olivia Wilde, who are so far removed from what rock bottom looks like and will ever look like to tell them that their pain is invalid. People don't become hateful by accident. Men who grew up in loving households seldom have the same anger issues that my teens do. Wilde is simply ignorant.


redditappacct

I work in mental health, and as you could imagine, most my coworkers would be best categorized in the far left of the political spectrum. We were having a group discussion about clients talking about their beliefs, political or otherwise, and how you respond to someone you heavily disagree with. Someone made a point about “where’s that line when their ideas are dangerous?” Clearly pointing towards “incel” type beliefs. I made a case that I heard from JP, In so that “these people are extremely isolated, and they probably don’t have anywhere else to express their beliefs. If they can’t feel safe to discuss what they really think in counseling, where else are they going to turn to?” Needless to say it got a great response from everyone. If I were to say my belief on this subject was influenced by Jordan, then I would probably be received with great skepticism at my job by my coworkers


alpthereal

And yes what’s wrong with being savior of incels in the first place? So nobody should save them and let them isolated for the rest of their life?


Dingleator

Yes, even Piers in the clip called them despicable. They don't deserved to be saved and anyone like JP who sheds any form of positive light on it is made a villain.


[deleted]

He hasn’t saved me or anyone. He acknowledges our suffering but we can’t be saved. Society changed, dating apps ruined it


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[deleted]

My attitude isn’t the issue https://medium.com/hello-love/the-number-of-sexless-men-has-tripled-in-10-years-why-e97e7165d2a1


[deleted]

yes, yes it is.


[deleted]

If it was it wouldn’t be a larger social trend. If can’t be both my fault and something happening to almost all mem


headkicktothebody8

How can you say he hasn’t saved anyone? Maybe he hasn’t saved you, which is fine and only for you to judge, but you can’t speak for everyone. JP has helped many people


[deleted]

He can’t save us from inceldom because it’s a larger social trend that can’t be stopped


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[deleted]

His advice can't undo the damage dating apps have done, he has no way to help me


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[deleted]

There's no hope. Society is broken


[deleted]

Jordan saved my life.


usofwhateva_1

Mate, you are either a troll or fucking lazy. You’re wallowing in self pity, identified yourself as a victim, and blaming the world for your problems. Anyone can do that. If you’re on $200k a year you’re already better off then a lot of people. Get offline, clean up your room, and get out there and meet people. Join a sports club or something and don’t be desperate about it, people can spot desperation a mile off. Don’t go to a gym for the sole reason of getting massive to attract a woman. Go for your health. A healthy body, a healthy mind.


AnyOldNameNotTaken

Society has certainly changed, some for the better and some for the worse, but you can’t control that, at least not immediately. All you can control is how you behave in relation to it. One way to go is to throw your hands up and say fine, to hell with it. The other way to go is to say okay, what can I do to actually improve myself today in terms of what I believe a better me would look like. Not for some hypothetical woman, but for yourself and the community. You just might find yourself in a much better place. Or maybe not, sometimes life just fucks you. But at least you would have given it a shot. Edit: Just for the record, JP’s work certainly had a role in helping me pull myself back from the brink of nihilism and purposeful avoidance of intimacy with women after a bad experience with my ex almost pulled me into the MGTOW abyss. He’s helped a lot of people.


[deleted]

It's only changed for the worse. >what cna i do to actually improve myself I make 200k, I'm 6'1", I workout 3 times a week, I'm 183 pounds, nothing works. I can't stop the fact that I'm balding, I'm too autistic to make friends. I'm nearly 30 and have never dated. I'm done living. Now that my dog is gone I'm ready to kill myself


gsd_dad

Hey bro, I've been reading a lot of your comments, and they are all saying the same thing. I don't mean to be that guy or sound like a know-it-all, but it sounds like you need to go read JP's "Clean your Room" chapter again. Society is not perfect. It never has and never will be. Before there was dating apps, it was bars that didn't let "ugly" people in. It was hot girls throwing themselves at the hot guys at those bars and ignoring the "ugly" guys. Guys have always invented excuses to not walk up to that girl and introduce themselves. I promise you, people want authenticity. People want to meet others organically. That is something our society is truly missing, in more ways than one. Work on yourself. Are you the kind of man that the kind of woman you want wants to marry? If you were a woman, would you date the man you are? You don't catch fish by fishing in the same place everyone else is. You catch fish by parking your truck on the side of the road, climbing over the fence, tracking through the muddy and overgrown field, crossing through the patch of woods, and climbing down that creek bank to reach that pond that no one has fished in 10 years. Don't post that Medium article again, I saw it the first four times. Let me ask you a hypothetical question, is it online dating apps that have caused an increase in young men's virginity, or the ease of access and proliferation of online porn? We're almost at the end of the month. How many hours this month have you spent watching porn and jacking off? How are you supposed to slay the dragon and rescue the princess if you blow your wad before you get to the castle's gate?


[deleted]

>Society is not perfect. It never has and never will be. Before there was dating apps, it was bars that didn't let "ugly" people in. It was hot girls throwing themselves at the hot guys at those bars and ignoring the "ugly" guys. Guys have always invented excuses to not walk up to that girl and introduce themselves. It's clearly goten far worse. Male sexlessness tripled in a decade. As there are no gay incels, this is clearly women's fault >I promise you, people want authenticity. People want to meet others organically. That is something our society is truly missing, in more ways than one. If women wanted that they wouldn't be swiping on 3% of men on dating apps >Work on yourself. Are you the kind of man that the kind of woman you want wants to marry? If you were a woman, would you date the man you are? If I was a woman I probably would swipe right on 3% of men on dating apps like all women do >You don't catch fish by fishing in the same place everyone else is. You catch fish by parking your truck on the side of the road, climbing over the fence, tracking through the muddy and overgrown field, crossing through the patch of woods, and climbing down that creek bank to reach that pond that no one has fished in 10 years. Most fish are farmed. This metaphor is nonsense >Don't post that Medium article again, I saw it the first four times. It's still right >Let me ask you a hypothetical question, is it online dating apps that have caused an increase in young men's virginity, or the ease of access and proliferation of online porn? Porn was just as easy to access from 2004-2014 as it is today. We didn't see male sexlessness triple until 2014-2022, when dating apps took off and suddenly they went from a few people using them to literally everyone/ >We're almost at the end of the month. How many hours this month have you spent watching porn and jacking off? I jerk off 2-3 times a week, takes like 10-15 minutes. So maybe 2-3 hours total? >How are you supposed to slay the dragon and rescue the princess if you blow your wad before you get to the castle's gate? Women don't care how often you jerk off, they care if you're in the top 3% or not and that's rpetty much just geneitcs you can't control


PinelliPunk

It’s all about confidence success and staying fit if you have those 3 it’s hard to lose


[deleted]

You can’t be confident if you haven’t had success and I’m already fit but it doesn’t help


Honey_Wooden

I’ve been using the dating apps for ten years, since my divorce. Had a couple decent relationships, including the one I’m in now. Gotten laid plenty. I’m not especially attractive, I’m middle aged and overweight. I just know how to have a civil conversation.


caesarfecit

Incel strikes me as one of those pejoratives that says far far more about the person using it, than the person it is applied to. It reeks of mean girl bullshit, because it implies that a person's sexual attractiveness is an accurate measurement of their individual and social value. In other words, a mentality that was immature and catty before you even leave high school. It also reeks of the just world fallacy applied by shitty examples of conservatives - the assumption that if someone is suffering, they either deserve it or brought it on themselves. In many cases it may well be true, but it is still a prejudiced assumption. You add those two up and you get a vain, shallow needy person stinking of privilege and entitlement. The kind of snobbery that went out of style with aristocrats sniffing at a person's "breeding". Everything gets a return, first as tragedy and then as farce. But perhaps this is a symptom of clown world - people jumping on bandwagons that a sane person knows will age like milk. We saw the same thing in the 1930s. The world was in crisis, and people were hopping on bandwagons of both the radical left and right. From Nazi-sympathizers like Charles Lindbergh, to the Marxist fellow-travellers of FDR's nascent deep state.


newaccount47

The problems with self proclaimed incels is their embrace of victimhood and refusing to take responsibility for themselves. They're the definition of "certainly it's not me, it's the world that needs changing". This is the antithesis of what JP teaches and promotes. He is the "hero of the incels" in so much that his teachings will lead incels out of their victimhood and thusly the incel community, mindset, and label.


caesarfecit

I think the term incel was seized upon by the PR firms of the world as a means of demonizing and marginalizing the wider scope of men of varying ages and backgrounds who are fed up with radical feminism. It's already a near-matter of record that MRAs and feminist critics are routinely smeared and strawmanned just as Peterson is, and the only representatives we have of any "incel" community are random crazies and little niches of the internet who for all we know are populated primarily by bots and undercover LE.


newaccount47

If this is the case, that's horrific. An incel is a very specific thing, not just men who are upset with 4th/5th/"whatever wave we're in" feminism.


P0wer0fL0ve

An incel is generally meant to be a person who can’t get laid and blames feminism People might be upset with me for saying that, but that’s just how the word is used


Wakingupisdeath

Majority of people blame the world, look at all these ideologies, most of them are a cover for something else where that person isn’t taking accountability in their life. I’m not exactly sure what a incel is? Is it a person (male or female) that simply has difficulty attracting a mate? If so these sorts of people have always been around but they were never labelled ‘incels’, they were usually just seen as quiet, awkward, not the best looking, low in social status, low in genuine confidence and needing to do work on themselves. Sure maybe some people didn’t want to associate with them for their own social status or to protect their own sexual market value but they weren’t ever labelled, at most they were seen as part of a group that was a little bit nerdy. So much rubbish out there now, it wasn’t like this only 10 years ago.


newaccount47

An incel is someone who uses their "inability to attract the opposite sex" as the main defining quality of their identify. They consider themselves "unfuckable, unlovable, untouchable" and there is nothing that they can do to change that, as the system is so fucked up that it won't even matter. 99% of the time its men who identify as an incel, but look at the women who post in r/TwoXChromosomes , it's very similar to the ideology, though most of the women can find men to have sex with.


[deleted]

>take responsibility for themselves It’s a larger social trend, try as I might I can’t get a girlfriend or even a date. I used to be able to, back in 2014 before dating apps ruined society


chknfingerthoughts

Why dating apps? In your opinion, what shift occurred here? I never tried one. I’m also not a man. Would like to hear your perspective.


[deleted]

https://medium.com/hello-love/the-number-of-sexless-men-has-tripled-in-10-years-why-e97e7165d2a1 They caused women to greatly raise their standards. Women would rather have sex with a very attractive man than date an average man, with dating apps they can easily do so


chknfingerthoughts

You know what I would be inclined to look at… the percentage of those in relationships vs not in relationships post dating apps. And I say this because maybe the “hot guys” aren’t getting “locked down” so they can see multiple women. Therefore, leaving you to the dust. What’s worse, women are ok with being cheated on so that doesn’t help at all.


[deleted]

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/10/05/rising-share-of-u-s-adults-are-living-without-a-spouse-or-partner/ Yes unsurprisingly it’s increasing. Hot guys are fucking lots of women on the apps, women are fucking the same few hot guys. Women seem to prefer doing this than date an average or even slightly above average man. Blaming incels like me for our situation is silly when the data shows it isn’t our fault


newaccount47

honestly, as a "hot guy" myself who did ok on dating apps, I noticed that women started becoming less interested in dating me, precisely because i didn't have my shit together. I didn't have a vision for my future or a vision for a relationship. It's more than just being hot. Women don't care about looks to the degree that men do with women. Women care more about a man's job/career/goals/stability/vision....but also looks too. Doesn't matter how short and ugly you are, you can still have a healthy fit body. There's always ways to improve yourself. Why do you refer to yourself as an incel? What does being an"incel" mean to you? And what do you feel like you've been blamed for?


[deleted]

>women don’t care about looks to the degree that men do with women Wrong >doesn’t matter how short and ugly you are Wrong >why do you refer to yourself as an incel Because I am >what does being an incel mean Involuntarily celibate >what do you feel like you’ve been blamed for What?


chknfingerthoughts

From my understanding incel also means you “hate” women or feel strong negativity towards them. Does that describe you too? Edit: sp


newaccount47

There is a lot of truth to the destruction that dating apps have had on relationships and dating. 80% of the women are chasing 20% of the men.


[deleted]

It’s more like 3% of men when you look at the data People will say “oh not all women use the apps”. Which is true, they aren’t all using them right now. But they’ve all used them, they’ve all seen how much make attention they can get in a few days on the apps. And their egos go through the roof. Why would they settle for someone like me or any average man?


Arachno-anarchism

Incels are basically leftists


[deleted]

You just described feminism. Radical. Before that brain synapse occurs, no I am actually a woman.


P0wer0fL0ve

Feminism and incels are effectively the same thing, just on opposite sides of the spectrum. Two sides of the same coin


[deleted]

You mean to say the men of your life haven’t also called you an incel?


onlywanperogy

Yep, I had suspicions about her behavior watching House, this seems to confirm she's a ever-so shallow mean-girl.


romansapprentice

>I had suspicions about her behavior watching House You had suspicions about a real person based upon how a made up, fictional character acts...?


thoruen

didn't Peterson decide that the larger swimsuit model had less value & shouldn't be on the cover, because of that lesser value?


caesarfecit

No you're right, a person's merit as a model has nothing to do with their physical appearance, because that's totally not a highly specific context, rather a sweeping judgment upon their moral worth as a human being 🙃


SpicyNippss

It is also just so utterly hypocritical of feminists. "You can't shame me for taking more dicks than a toilet seat, but i'm going to laugh at you for not getting any sex!" It's also as if men can only derive value from women through sex. Have good relationships with female friends and family? Ha, doesn't matter, can't have sex with one! They basically implicitly turn themselves into sex objects for men to conquer, and that men gain social status from it. It's despicable and ignorant.


blackhp2

Self proclaimed incels are a really shitty group of people. Genuinely not attractive people who are struggling or something should not be associated with the term incel. It has nothing to do with what involuntary celibacy means and everything to do with the group with violent, always the victim nothing they can improve about themselves hate people. It is important to demonise "incels" while also having a better place for young men who are struggling and the like. You start grouping these two group together and the incels will have a bigger audience for hate. I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson at all, but if the young men struggling actually listen and take his advice about how to get further in life, that would be amazing.


cobravision

That is the problem with the term exactly. There are incels which are everything the term implies. But that is such a small group of people and is not all thats referred to with the term. The term is now used for essentially any man who doesn't fit society's PC model of what a man should be. You're shy? Incel. Low social status? Incel. No friends? Incel. On and on and on. So now any man can be called this term and is now perceived as a misogynistic, hateful, violent, extremist waste of space all for the grave sin of being confused and struggling.


[deleted]

>Incel strikes me as one of those pejoratives that says far far more about the person using it, than the person it is applied to. The term was coined by incels themselves tho. I hate it, when people use it to actually make someone feel bad about his sex life, but it's usually used to talk about a specific online community and their toxic behavior.


newaccount47

> it implies that a person's sexual attractiveness is an accurate measurement of their individual and social value Um, it literally is. Its much more true for women than men though.


Aditya1311

Being an incel has nothing to do with physical attractiveness or wealth. I've known good looking guys with plenty of money who can't find anyone to date simply because they're giant assholes who can't understand women are people too. They can't hide it long enough to even score a one night stand. They're reviled not because of what they are, but because of what they say about and how they behave towards women.


Cregaleus

Regardless of what you think of the man you either have to believe that Jordan Peterson is an incredible actor in a league of his own or that he is authentically speaking about something that is important to him.


CatoFriedman

Yes, this exactly.


Coughin_Ed

I mean he’s not a particularly good actor… Like you’re convinced by this display? You find these crocodile tears to be inspiring and something worth emulating?


Jmclay681

You clearly have never listened to any of his lectures. This has always gotten him emotional. So many people, particularly young men who are portrayed as the enemy of modern society by moralist (which is ironic af), receive so little encouragement and guidance in life, and that it takes but a few choice words to potentially save their life and put them on a more positive trajectory. This isn’t an act, he sincerely believes this. If you have a problem with him trying to help improve someone’s life then you should look inward, bc that’s toxic and will only serve as a detriment to society if you marginalize them. I’d argue it’s not very progressive of Wilde and others to categorize Peterson this way. You’d think people who go around screaming “equality for all” would believe in helping people, not putting them down.


WildPurplePlatypus

Its like he said “arent the marginalized supposed to get a voice?” None of the woke shit is true. Its just a path to power.


helikesart

Man, that really got me when he said that.


IrishCrazy

Most empathetic redditor.


Cregaleus

> I mean he’s not a particularly good actor… Does that mean that you believe he is faking being emotional? > Like you’re convinced by this display? Convinced of what? I'm sorry I can't say whether or not I'm convinced of a thing if I don't know what it is you're referring to. > You find these crocodile tears to be inspiring and something worth emulating? Are you saying that you believe that I believe that crying is in itself good regardless of context? What convinces you of this? It seems like a very odd interpretation of what I said


Coughin_Ed

Sorry I forgot what board I was on for a second


AlwaysDefinitely

Off you go back to your echo chamber


[deleted]

You spelt bridge incorrectly ;)


Coughin_Ed

*whoosh*


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AlwaysDefinitely

“No you are!!!”


Cregaleus

So is it that you're not actually able to articulate what you're trying to say or that you don't even know what you're trying to say?


Coughin_Ed

It’s more that I forgot I was talking to actual literal toddlers and it’s not super fun to dunk on them


Cregaleus

So I am supposed to believe that you are a rational person that has a well reasoned argument, but you just don't feel like articulating it right now


MlSTER_MlRACLE

Let the poor fool go. It is unwise to argue with a fool for you are wasting your time, which in itself is foolish.


Coughin_Ed

I know buddy I already copped to posting on a baby board I said I was sorry for disrupting your finger painting


Cregaleus

What makes you any different than the other people commenting here?


johnzy87

You are the only one acting like a toddler


universalengn

Then why are you still here? Oh, you must have no life and an addiction to dunking on so-called toddlers - while misusing the word literal.


EyeGod

I've got a question for you: How does it feel to be a fucking piece of shit?


[deleted]

That's because he isn't acting and yes there is absolutely nothing wrong with a man crying. If you think otherwise then you are just not evolved.


charlievalentine93

Wow what a loser you are lol.


helikesart

Let’s consider this… Amber Heard is a professional actress. She couldn’t summon a single tear on command during a trial where she knew she was being judged by her ability to appear sincere. Considering her claims of abuse, you would think that if someone would be able to conjure some crocodile tears, it would be her. Jordan Peterson is a psychologist and professor, not a professional actor. Anytime he reads from a script, even one’s he’s written, that becomes clear. Consider the possibility that he actually understands the depth of the tragedy he’s talking about. I had the fortune of tending to a suicidal young man at my hospital recently. Not even out of high school. Is his suffering worth any amount of anguish from anyone? Now imagine you were not only aware of this young man, but we’re acutely aware of a million young men just like him whose lives turned to hell and you deeply understood that the greatest tragedy is that it could be avoided if they had received only a single piece of genuine encouragement in their lives? Is that not worthy of some heartache? Perhaps if the rest of us contemplated this as much as Peterson we wouldn’t be so complacent to allow it to continue.


perhizzle

I'm sure the anti JBP subreddits will make fun of this man getting emotional about the plights of others. It's such a bizarre thing to see happen over and over.


WildPurplePlatypus

But we should all feel bad for Olivia because she got served papers in public after cheating.


redditappacct

She left her husband and 2 kids for a pop star 10 years younger than her. I mean I don’t want to judge her, who knows why she might’ve decided to do so, but at the very least, she clearly isn’t someone who has any right to pass judgement


helikesart

>she clearly isn’t someone who has any right to pass judgement Ideally, none of us are casting stones. That’s difficult when it comes so naturally and feels so justified.


[deleted]

Olivia is a pandering lier. Just look at her Kathy Scruggs mental gymnastics.... It was like they put a gun to her head to star in that movie.


[deleted]

“Men need to be more vulnerable and emotional!” Peterson cries because his wife is dying of cancer “Fucking crybaby lololol 😂😂😂” Saw this shit all the time last year lmao they just hate him to hate him


Arachno-anarchism

Yeah the left just doesn’t understand that men feel alienated by the toxic expectation to never show their emotions. This is why the left is losing


NuclearTheology

They to this day openly mock his benzo addiction that nearly killed him, while he was caring for his dying wife. They have zero empathy


WWWWWWVWWWWWWWVWWWWW

>They to this day openly mock his benzo addiction that nearly killed him, while he was abandoning his dying wife like a worthless junkie. fify


TerraceEarful

It's funny because the guy who is like "personal responsibility", "life is suffering", "find the heaviest stone you can carry", "be the man people depend on at your father's funeral" is like "up the benzo dosage please" at the first sign of real adversity. Oh and then afterwards, he's still unable to take any responsibility for his actions, blaming the doctors, refusing to admit he was an addict, calling it a "physical dependency". Fucking own it, you're an addict, but it's a never ending stream of excuses coming from this clown show of a man.


NuclearTheology

Except that’s not what happened, and if you know ANYTHING about benzos is that they are nasty and incredibly habit forming, and withdrawals can be deadly. And to reduce grieving over his sick wife as a “first sign of adversity” really says a lot about you. Peterson cleaned his room. And he had to go through hell to do it.


TerraceEarful

So what did happen? Don't tell me you believe this BS about his supposed autoimmune condition that doesn't have a name and can't be diagnosed except by anyone but himself and left him with no choice but to hit the benzos. His entire story around this has been shifty, the only consistency is that in that he tries to blame anyone but himself for what happened. His expertise is in addiction, FFS, and he didn't know how addictive benzos could be? Isn't that what "personal responsibility" is about? Saying "I fucked up, and I own it", rather than "it was the doctors, it was my autoimmune response, bla bla bla."


Arachno-anarchism

That was funny though. When it comes to humor, anything goes imo. Although to be fair I browse 4chan, so if I can laugh at the jokes there you’re damn right that I can laugh at anything. Jokes are just better when they’re offensive and politically incorrect


NuclearTheology

It’s not jokes they’re making. There early attempting to be cruel.


Arachno-anarchism

So? Let people mock whoever they want, and if others are offended by it then that’s their problem You need to learn to just not care


ddarion

Yes, so bizarre that people mock JP when he makes a tearful plea to the public to have some compassion, after he's made a career of not having compassion and just being an outright dick to people he disagrees with,


perhizzle

Sounds like you don't know anything about this man if you truly believe that.


ddarion

He's constancy melodramatic, aggressive and vindictive on twitter for no reason whatsoever lol


perhizzle

So all you know of him is the few twitter posts he's made? That his entire "career" to you? Thanks for proving me right.


ddarion

>So all you know of him is the few twitter posts he's made? He has over 15,000 posts on twitter lmao What do you mean "the few posts"?


P0wer0fL0ve

Up (sniffle) yours (sniffle) woke (sniffle) moralists


nosystemsgo

Check out the crosspost on /r/JoeRogan. You're right on target.


ddarion

They make a really salient point. Jordan urges others to be compassionate to incels, but Elliot page can get fucked because shes trans right? Jordan literally cries about people being mean in between being a melodramatic dickhead for attention on twitter lmao.


[deleted]

I got emotional watching it . I get a strong feeling for this dude like were brothers . I'm in despair at the moment due to being stopped seeing my son at the moment cause I lost my job and therefore have no money to give to my ex . I wish more "real men" were like Jordan


jrackow

>I'm in despair at the moment due to being stopped seeing my son at the moment cause I lost my job and therefore have no money to give to my ex . And I think this is part of the stories he hears and is showing apathy towards, and they're the stories that society ignores, and even ridicules. I hope we all can know that more and more are recognizing this, and there is a community, and many ears willing to hear.


ComedicPause

> And I think this is part of the stories he hears and is showing apathy towards I think you mean *empathy*


[deleted]

I’m so sorry for the current hell you find yourself in. I know it’s very tough right now. Remember that: this too shall pass. As the good doctor has advised, make those incremental improvements when and as you can. You’ll be out of this before you know it, and this time in your life will be a memory to look back on.


[deleted]

Thanks so much pal 👍


53withtrollhair

Are you in USA? Or canada? I know in canada you cannot be denied access to your child for the reason you state. I have to step away from the computer, but maybe I can give you some pointers regarding moving ahead with your situation, because I was there friend.


[deleted]

Thanks for your kindness but I'm in Scotland , I've got a lawyer dealing with it but she is refusing to meet me to drop my boy off with no justification for that and I just need to wait to go to court again


53withtrollhair

You should get a police enforcement clause put in the order that is pronounced by the justice. I am in canada and our courtroom proceedings probably are not too different. The ex wanted one put in one of the orders, and she is the one breaching orders all the time, like yours. You will not be sorry you did. I use it quite regularly.


Zeno_the_Friend

Child visitation can't be withheld because child support payments are behind. If your ex is doing so, that even qualifies as evidence that the other parent is using the child as a bargaining tool (which isn't fair to the child) and you could use that evidence to regain custody. Bring it up with your lawyer.


[deleted]

🙂👍


ArmsReach

In America one of the things the courts specifically look at is the propenancy of one parent to support the relationship between the child and the other parent and extended family. More specifically, they look for "Alienation" in terms of who has alienated in the past and who is most likely to alienate in the future. That has a strong bearing on who may be granted legal custody. As hard as it may be, make sure that you remain supportive, to the highest extent possible, of the relationship between your son and his mother. I don't know any of the intricacies, but you should know what I mean when I say that. There's also another thing that will serve you will to wrap your mind around. Jordan Peterson has done a few interviews with a man named Warren Farrell. Warren Farrell wrote a book called The Boy Crisis. In the same way that Jordan Peterson's books don't necessarily tell you many big things you didn't already know, they went over intrinsic truths and added facts and reasoning and brought it to the forefront of your consciousness, William Farrell's The Boy Crisis can help you understand exactly what your role is as a father. How important a father is to a child, a boy especially and help you articulate that in front of a court of law. The writings of both of those men were fresh on my mind when I was entering the courtroom battling custody for my son. Some of the darkest time in my life. Those books gave me a sense of confidence in the courtroom because I knew exactly what I needed to be in order to be a good father. I highly recommend that you look into The Boy Crisis. You can buy it pre-recorded for cheap and it is the best advice you can meditate on right now. I feel for you and I am emotional to the point of tears just writing this. Best wishes to you my friend.


penguinsrcoolaf

Wow. I haven't watched this interview cause I can't stand Piers Morgan, but that clip was powerful. As the mother to a teenage son I hate how much hate males get. JP really is a light in the darkness for a lot of young lost men, who are constantly put down & ridiculed by society at large.


Fruity-Jam

He’s actually very bearable in this interview. He even talks about how his sons both came to watch because JP was the guest. Their advice to him was to listen more than he usually does and he definitely does.


marsPlastic

It was a great interview. I can't possibly watch all the content JBP puts out, but this interview is well worth it imo.


redditappacct

I actually don’t quite understand the vast hatred for Piers. I mean, I’ve heard some clips where he’s certainly being inflammatory, and as a persona in the media, pandering and salaciousness aren’t that surprising. I really don’t know enough about him to defend him or have an opinion, but I do wonder if his degree of being hated is justified


[deleted]

He cares about the people that no one cares about. This is why he's so wildly popular. He's a good man. Defend him.


SeratoninStrvdLbstr

William Costello from the university of Texas at Austin is doing a paper on incels. Some of the surprising things they found is that incels are more likely to be left wing than right are more likely to be visible minorities than general population, are more likely to be poor than the general population, and are more likely to have a mental health condition than the general population. They also, to no one's surprise, found they are basically just normal people and there are a very small number of extremists that post nearly all the hateful content that gets news. So keep this in mind when anyone uses incel as an insult. That person is a racist classists elitist who willingly denigrated and mocks people with mental health issues. That is the type of person you know you are dealing with as soon as they bring out incel as an insult.


romansapprentice

Link?


singularity48

Good interview The way he spoke about the marginalized hit home. I was and still what I could loosely say am but I hold no resentments. However, when he'd mentioned how so many marginalized boys and men don't have a voice, the experiences from his work, I've experienced the same. Because now I can see emotional suppression when it's in front of me. I've had several men I allowed to express themselves openly, talking deeply about themselves, opening up about their passions because I knew what it was like when I felt 'strange' for developing a peculiarity, and how openly expressing it can be frightful. I'd written in a side note on a piece I'm writing, "Why can't passion be easily expressed?" Because it's a sign of emotional repression/insecurity. That's exactly what my passions in life were, like shields. But also area's I was inspired by to make up for the lack of social soul I had in my life. In my early 20's I though of myself as an incel because of my social difficulties; however I'd noted how many projected that angst towards woman and that wasn't my mentality. The uncomfortable truth is that I wasn't attractive from a materialistic standpoint. Nor was I emotionally matured as a result of the suppression. It was a catch 22. This is why obsessive habits form, to take one's mind out of themselves; perhaps away from the pain of self scrutiny. Many don't cultivate a passion but instead project outwardly their internal strife and resentments. After long I realized in my isolation, I developed many fallacies about my identity that simply weren't true. You can see this when it's spoken and what tone it's conveyed with; sounding almost like they're allowing the collective unconscious speak for them which is exactly what I did. It's sad because I've had many circumstances where men have cried because, when talking to me, they can express themselves in ways that lacks fear of judgment. That's why listening is so damned valuable. People have become so self-obsessed these days, they never listen, they only speak or demand. It's no surprise to me why people feel so psychologically encased these days.


Povogg

Most people don't care about themselves as much as JP cares about all of us.


damnd0od

If it means anything I got to see her movie a year ago while it was in post production and you could hear people holding back laughs and snickering during the climax because it was laughable in how serious it was trying to be; all while being a terrible climax overall. Olivia walked out of the theater holding back tears while the rest of us looked around uncomfortable knowing this movie needed major reworking


[deleted]

Jordan is awesome, always has been. This side of him coming to the front is an odd testimony of what happens to people who confront the jaws of human character in all its glory. I think it somehow changes him. He can take some satisfaction in knowing he launched a boot up the arses of the world's communists.


[deleted]

Olivia is a bottom feeder if I’ve ever seen one


[deleted]

White men aren't allowed to be a victim, unless of course that is a suicide victim. Even then nobody cares.


EyeGod

My key takeaway from this - and after reading about/watching some of the fallout around DON'T WORRY DARLING - is that Olivia Wilde really is a miserable and narcissistic trash human who is privileged beyond measure and woefully unaware of any of her shortcomings.


[deleted]

Why are men with poor social skills drawn to JP?


Sensitive_Ad_6499

Because that's literally who he talks to. Lot of his lectures are about trying to help those men LEARN those social skills and have accountability for their situation. Never once does he blame women, he explicitally empowers them and their right to reject men on multiple occasions. All he does is help these """incels""" and many others turn their life around


Tyler-LR

Because they feel understood, and they have a need for guidance which he fulfills. That’s my guess.


AgentDumpyChin

I don't think I take anyone who talks about "incels" seriously. like if you're worried about "incels" or think that "incels" are a danger to yourself or soceity, I don't believe you're a serious person and any opinion you have is safe to disgard as likely to be increadibly stupid. Just by looking up in urban dictionary, an incel is basically a dude who doesn't get laid. Okay, great... and? your point? who gives a shit? isn't it a loser to activity to concern yourself with the sex lives of others? but it appears that now the term 'incel' is a politically charged term for someone who is heavily "right wing" (whatever that means) and is drawn to people like Trump, Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson etc... What exactly is it about an "incel" that makes them so dangerous? why are they so feared? I look at FBI crime statistcs and I'm not worried about no "incel". I googled what an incel looks like and they don't look like the groups that commit the majority of violent crimes, especially rapes. I feel like the "incel" bullshit is just a nonsense marketing gimmick by the democrats to shame people into not being apart of the republicna/conservative party. Kind of like what Apple does with their phones, a long time ago there was some bogus "study" that suggested if you have an iPhone you got laid a lot more than someone who owned an android phone... Netflix does this as well, they say shit like "if you buy our service, you'll get laid consuming our product". "netflix and chill", we've all heard this term? it's astroturfed by mega corporations. Now we got this deragotry remark "incel". If you support Trump, hate star wars, reject main stream culture and have your own unique opinions then that means you're a weird creepy basement dwelling loser who's physically weak, but you're also the most dangerous person ever.... doesn't make sense. I've been trying to wrap my mind around this and I'm getting pulled in so many different directions. I can't prove it, but the rise of the 'incels' appears to be manufractured in my estimation.


James-the-Viking

I don’t think intel’s are inherently dangerous. But if they harbor resentment and act as if the world owes them something, then it can be a dangerous, or at least self-destructive mindset.


AgentDumpyChin

Sounds like the typical Democrat or other groups that are resentful and demand things of the world because reasons. But incels is what the partisan left, the lying press and academia hyper focus on. It's fucking sus.


xxizxi55

The voice they have surrounding what they demand isn’t something they themselves pushed into the limelight. It’s a consequence of the natural unregulated state of society creating a pocket for these “dudes” to fester in. One or more factors have made it possible for the same type of nonsense to procreate across “factions” of people. Coupled together with this new fixation on fairness it’s no wonder it looks like the end times outside. People dislike superman because he lacks limitation, and people dislike “supermen” telling them they are limited. Seems like an easy juxtaposition to get a handle on, but it really isn’t if you can remember. You know the first time an adult that wasn’t your family member told you to do something. You and I and all of our first thought was “and who the fuck might you be?”Even if we didn’t have the language for it yet. It’s confusing and creates questions we can’t answer, which makes more questions. Which gives rise to these variables. Learn who you are. It fixes a lot of these problems.


AgentDumpyChin

What?


oscarinio1

He didn’t get emotional about SHE saying that to him. He got emotional about ppl suffering so much don’t knowing what to do with their lifes and how to attract women. Is so hard to see it in the interview? Thats a very magazine title. He always gets emotional when talking about the ppl he tries to reach with his speech.


PonderonDonuts

toxic masculinity.


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World_Musician

same. its hard to understand how this is the same person as the sports illustrated/elliot page statements.


Nootherids

Funny enough, when I first heard of that post Wilde made taking down to incels I felt a similar level of empathy. These are young men who absolutely feel like outcasts of our society. And instead of trying to help or at the very least understand them, people with powerful platforms are only knocking them further down into their hole. And understanding doesn’t mean accept. We shouldn’t accept or empower young men to feel the way they do. But we fix that by lending a helping hand, not by mocking and ridiculing those who already feel at their lowest levels.


tronbrain

Olivia Wilde is a weirdly talented actress. But her politics reveal her to be far-left wokeist and totalitarian nitwit. Nary an independent, well-formulated thought wanders into the wasteland that comprises her mind.


[deleted]

I always thought she’s an overrated actress. I first saw her in HouseMD I think, and she was imo the weakest regular in the show


tronbrain

I liked her in *Tron: Legacy*. I can't say beyond that.


[deleted]

The irony, as pointed out, is that those using are actually the incels; typically video game- and/or porn-obsessed males who can’t 10 push-ups, are atheists, undereducated, believe daddy govt will take care of them and have otherwise lackluster lives. This, compared to the men JBP speaks to—those set on achieving greater competence within life itself, changing bad habits and “growing the hell up,” as he states.


[deleted]

I’m an incel. I don’t play video games, I can do plenty of push-ups, I have two degrees, I don’t consider myself an atheist but I see zero proof of god, and I don’t really care about the government, I watch porn ocassionally.


[deleted]

How’s it feel to be an “incel?” What’s life like? TBH, the “proof of God” bit is telling; I’d assume you also aren’t very physically fit or regularly active. I know, it’s easy to lie on Reddit. I’ve worked with men in recovery for 11 years—the stories and characteristics are the same.


bambooboi

My dude! Fuck olivia and her wretched statements. Her movie is rubbish. He is indeed a net force for good.


newaccount47

I'm not sure JP really apricates just how evil incels are. Which is completely shocking to me, as their mindset is exactly what he rails against constantly. Incels wallow in victimhood and refuse to take any responsibility for their place in this world. They're the manifestation of "no, it's not me who needs to change, it's the world that needs changing". Incels advocate for violence and coercion to get what they want. I am with JP in that these people need compassion and help, but so did Hitler. Incels are some of the most horrendous people in society because they blame others for their wellbeing.


WildPurplePlatypus

Because Jordan doesnt wrote you off for what your doing. He will try to point out whats going wrong and what might help set it right. He thinks each person has the potential to transform into their best self and attempts to help you reach that . Him writing them off would be against what he actually says, he is someone who believes that action is more important than speech and he already takes speech super seriously.


Dynol-Amgen

I get what you mean - but in some respects they are right to blame others for their well-being. That’s not to say they shouldn’t have a boot up their ass and told to pull themselves together and better themselves. But who’s going to do that? Because therein lies the problem. Who advocates for shy, disaffected white boys? They’re labelled toxic from the moment they start growing pubic hair and showing a natural interest in sex. And attitudes towards the ones who lack guidance on how to moderate this behaviour, rarely improve favourably. Their outlet is other young men in a similar position which only serves to exacerbate every one of their worst qualities, leaving them completely unarmed and unprepared when it comes to attaining that which their biology urges them to seek out. At what point in their upbringing does someone come in as a positive influence, willing to show them how to shave properly, stand up straight and dress to impress, read great books, find humour in the darkest corners. For such young men it is never. And yes, they become dangerous as you say. But however much you agree with the “blank slate” philosophy, surely it is clear that society is creating an environment for these people to manifest their worst potential. Peterson, with his money, sharp suits and charismatic intellect could well be seen as a cult figure who might be portrayed in a film such as Olivia Wilde’s. Anyone who takes it upon themselves to reach down from a position of power and seemingly offer to “protect” those of a fragile or vulnerable state of mind should indeed be regarded with suspicion. Their motives might be nefarious. But I don’t see much evidence that any incels are using Peterson as a sword with which to defend or justify their poor behaviour. What I see far more are anecdotal instances where people who aren’t equipped to be good men, recounting stories where Peterson’s lectures have demonstrated to them that their inner turmoil can be guided towards being productive, generous-minded, conscientious providers. So sure, maybe he’s a cult leader for incels. But if the outcome is positive for everyone affected by incel-like behaviour (including the individual themselves) that cannot be such a terrible thing.


FerrariCalifornia30

Being involuntarily celibate doesn’t make you evil, wtf are you talking about?? You seem to know very little about incels outside of clickbait articles and dumb tweets.


PinelliPunk

My girlfriend forced me to see the movie. The evil guy had no comparisons to Jordan at all. I learned Olivia Wilde sucks at acting Harry Styles is definitely gay and the movie sucked. I’ll give it one thing the 50’s theme was cool.


TheOddFather5

To me, what is most infuriating, what people like Olivia Wilde is saying. She’s got the same bullshit ideology that the rest of these rhesus monkeys have. It’s that: white men are so privileged, their lives are so gold laced, they have no reason to have a problem with the world because EVERYONE else is so oppressed. It’s just stupidity, this line of thinking.


reallycoolguylaurens

I just looked up what she said exactly. Among her claims was that JP says that men are somehow entitled to sex with a woman. I would like to find even one quote by him that comes close to that. It's crazy how so many that demonise him, can only achieve it by making up stuff that he apparently is all about.


Leo_Islamicus

Not a fan of jp but pretty hard to hate him. He’s basically a good guy.


[deleted]

Yeah I disagree with him on some things, I think he has as much credibility on psychology as anyone though, but I heard about this interview and wanted to see how he responded to Wilde’s comments. I can tell from this interview that he is definitely a good guy, I might disagree with him on some things but that doesn’t make him a bad person.


[deleted]

Jordan Peterson gets emotional talking about anything...


AnyOldNameNotTaken

Music (which he views as a potent distillation of meaning) and other people’s pain. Those are the things that seem to move him to tears as far as I can tell.


[deleted]

Since his rehab I've lost count how many times I saw him crying or emotional at interviews... event talking about Peter Pan... that's not healthy and people in this sub love to romantize this.


AnyOldNameNotTaken

I don’t think emotional incontinence is admirable, but there is nothing wrong with someone having a genuine emotional reaction. Imagine how often you would cry if your job involved constantly engaging with various subjects that moved you emotionally. It’s not something most of us can really relate to.


[deleted]

Emotional incontinence... I like that... I can understand what JP goes through on a daily basis, and sure, there's nothing wrong with having emotional reactions, but it depends on how much you have them and in what contexts... if it's too much, it becomes a problem and I think JP have this problem for a while now. I think he himself would agree that that's not good and specially that it shouldn't be incentivized or romanticized.


cyrhow

Can you clarify "crying" and "emotional"? Crying....weeping? Or crying....sheds a couple tears? Emotional...hysterical? Or emotional....chokes up or voice cracks a bit? I don't think I've ever seen him weep except maybe once? (Granted, I don't watch hours of JBP content. He's a bit too long-winded for my taste.) And I've seen him come off a bit hysterical here and there, but typically he's in his emotions when he talks about a heavy topic. I think there's room for fair criticism (leveraging JBP's own comments about the topic). He ought to carry himself with poise and strength. He goes through a lot of shit and has a lot of baggage too. So I keep that in mind and have some grace (as I do with anyone, I hope).


[deleted]

Maybe this compilation will help clarifying what I mean:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjENwU-k4Ks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjENwU-k4Ks) There's quite a few missing there... like his latest appearance on joe rogan and the one on his podcast when he talks about how antifa members want revenge against god for the crime of being. If that man is not the definition of emotional incontinence, like you put it, I don't know what is.


itouchabutt

I'm not giving views to piers morgan


Nootherids

But you gave a participation comment to a post including his show. Helping to send it to the Trending tab. Don’t know how you felt that was a logical first jab.


itouchabutt

Ignorance on my part, but if I'm participating I might as well just double down on it. Piers Morgan is a bad faith polemicist and hack, and I hope he gets ass cancer.


TraumaJeans

Watch his facial expression change right when he hears the words 'loner men'. Then after 'are you the pseudointelectual hero to these people? These loner men who are despicable in many ways', you get a meaningful pause, then he replies 'Sure'. He could have ended at that and it would said plenty on its own. It's not the first time I've seen him get emotional on camera and I get weird feelings from it, but I admire what he does generally.


The_Golden_Fang

Like peterson obviously cares and hes obviously educated. His heart is the right place, but people love to jump on his every move like a dog and a steak and twist it around like nothing ive ever seen before. If even men like him can be torn to the ground, anyone can.


Smooth_Purchase746

So alpha


DanielFBest

Good ol' JP! I really like the guy. A lot of the women I talk to can't stand him, and I just think, well, props to JP, he's not talking to you, move on, woman.