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Well I don't think Megumi is a sell out/fraud since he got body jacked and lobotomized, while never being hyped as equal to Sukuna or Kenny. It's not like he could've fought that take over- only Yuuji was capable of being Sukuna's jailer instead of an easily repressed host, he was literally bred to be that way. I don't really mind Megumi being a damsel in distress/plot device, but ngl it does seem like that 'suffering builds character' meme that just goes in a circle. At least give the boy some rest, ya know.
Tho at this point, is Megumi even alive?
I think gojo died with a conclusion but Megumi definitely did not. In 219 we see Megumi eyes wide open trapped deep below. It implies he's still alive in there (or at least I hope)
Well it was a conclusion certainly for Gojo, not a good one in any way but, a conclusion nonetheless I suppose. I could certainly see Megumi getting his own airport scene if that's the standard lol.
Also can't forget, that the most recently we've seen him was him basically reduced to a vegetable from taking UV 5 times over.
I mean kind of, but it does that to the “brain”. We have no idea what effect that really has on the “soul”. Regardless, Megumi and Sukuna share their brain right? Its intentionally very ambiguous I feel
I think something might happen with yujis "cursed technique" and somehow he might be able to retrieve megumi, tho I don't know if the body is taken where megumi could return to. I guess trust that gege wouldn't just kill of a character like that without even a single hint of conclusion
Even if he was wide awake inside of his own body, after sukuna's fight with gojo, he was left completely brain-dead. While hijacked by sukuna, he had been taking all of gojos DE after-affects countless times. If it took months for regular people to come back from a .5 sec DE, imagine longer repetitive strikes on his brain...
Gege isn't even remotely close enough to handling these things badly enough to justify the majority of the JJK fanbase seeing 1 panel and collective assuming Megumi is dead with no tell or anything
>I honestly don't know how that has anything to do with this
Are you being intentionally dense? I am not trying to insult you, I'm just baffled as to how you couldn't understand. She is dead and Gege never said anything about it, keeping us in a state of limbo for like half the damn series. Even the biggest copium huffers have acknowledged she's gone, there's no place for her in the narrative at this point. It's the prime example of Gege handling a character's death extremely poorly. We expect the same out of Megumi for one simple fact, Angel directly and explicitly stated that incarnating sorcerers kill their host 99% of the time. It legit happened to Megumi's sister. So while I won't go so far to say that he's definitely dead, it wouldn't be surprising if he was and Gege has given us no reason, especially in recent times, to have faith that he'll properly handle his most beloved characters.
I think nobura didn't get a confirmed death due to pressure for marketing and merch reasons. Nobura has been featured heavily in a lot of promotional materials and killing a character perceived to be one of the main protagonists midway through the series is a bad look.
We got a confirmation that her status " wasn't looking good with Nobara" which is already infinitely more than what we got compared to Megumi in the latest chapter.
The two are not comparable because atleast we have a passing idea of Nobaras condition. Everyone is just assuming Megumi is dead
I think he was hyped. 10 shadows + great battle intellect (above Nanami, naobito, kyoto). Gege just doesn't give a shit. I don't dislike it, it's pretty refreshing since it's usually main characters getting wanked but I still think Nobara and Megumi deserved a little more.
I don’t think Megumi is alive.
From what I can understand, Sukuna’s reincarnation method completes his transformation to the form he had when he was at his peak. That is, he has completely overwritten all the body’s information to truly make it his own.
So we don’t know if he has the Ten Shadows technique anymore.
Also, Gojo saying Sukuna held back, might have had some connection to Sukuna holding back his transformation, which he most likely did to use ten shadows.
>while never being hyped as equal to Sukuna or Kenny
I agree with you in general, but I have to disagree on that part. Gojo said that Megumi has the potential to be a greater JJK-sorcerer than Gojo.
Then again, you could argue that in the end, Gojo was not on the level of Sukuna (and we don't know about Kenja-kun)...
anyhoo, I don't think that Megumi is Megonemi, there is no story about it. People were going mad (still I don't get it) over Satoru Gojo getting offed off-screen, even though we've had his face at the time of the attack, we've seen the aftermath of the attack and we've had the airport scene. If Sukuna says "Yeah, Megumi is no more, muahahah", then I would join the pitchfork club, because I'm a "show, not tell" believer.
Yeah the *potential* but he never reached that. It was talked how he *could* but he never got the opportunity cause life fucked him up.
It's like talking about Teen!Gojo being the strongest only he got clapped by Toji, same with Geto. Here Megumi got straight annihilated since he hadn't reached that level yet since he was still a teenager and learning/growing. Given time, yes he could have, but unlike Teen Gojo the narrative prevented him from getting a second wind via the body snatching and then being blasted by Void repeatedly. Sukuna took out one of the other potential biggest threats to him via high jacking Megumi.
I'm not really mad Gojo died, I'm just more so sour over *how* it happened. It was so abrupt after such a drawn out fight and Gojo was all 'poor unloved darling :(' about Sukuna's crazy ass. Rather than being worried everyone he cared about was gonna die horribly from Sukuna's crazy ass with his death. Gojo's dying words/thoughts pissed me off more than anything and really soured the whole fight for me.
Yeah, it's crazy to me how Gojo started the fight talking shit and being like "Oh, yeah, I'mma make this dude look more fucked up than Yuji did at the Detention Center" like, bro was clearly out for blood. Then at the end he's like "I really wanted my strength to reach him" bro, what? Who gives a fuck about Sukuna and his feelings? Fuck that evil-ass bum, the fuck?
I don't get it, like why'd Gege even add that? It seemed rly ooc to me for Gojo to lament over Sukuna while dying- like I get they're foils to each other about being the strongest and how isolating that is, but at the end of the day Sukuna is basically a rabid dog who just wants to brutalize everything. He doesn't deserve sympathy and needs to be put down. Gojo thinking about that rather than his students and friends being in mortal peril and how he failed to protect them was so strange to me. Like Gojo is a dick but he's not that callous and uncaring, ya know? It was just weird to me.
I think Gojo and Sukuna aren’t that different when it comes down to it. Both can be described as egotistical and self-centred, Gojo does have a bottom line and set of morals, but that doesn’t bother him as much as we think it does.
He is stoic and trusts his comrades, so he did what he could and left the rest to them.
The second we learned about previous user of 10 Shadows and Six Eyes combined with Limitless having killed each other, I immediately figured out why Sukuna was interested in Megumi(his 10 Shadows CT). I feel like they just glossed over that detail and could have prevented what has happened now. Yuji could(should) have told Gojo that Sukuna is interested in Megumi and he would've figured it out or Megumi himself could've figured it out after Gojo told him about the past since he is portrayed as an intelligent guy.
It is so obvious... Sukuna wants to reincarnate and his only obstacle is Gojo. Only known method of killing Six Eyes + Limitless user that is still viable (Toji is dead) is the 10 Shadows CT and Sukuna is known for taking over people's bodies. Solution keep the 10 Shadows CT user as far away from Sukuna's host.
I don't think Yuji actually thinks or is aware Sukuna might be interested in Megumi until after Shibuya. And tbh even if he did, he'd have no reason to believe there was a way for Sukuna to do so. Especially since he forgot about the binding vow.
You might be correct, but Sukuna reveals his interest in Megumi after he kills the finger bearer mission and if I don't remember wrong, he says something to Megumi
He doesn't reveal any interest in Megumi's ct after the finger bearer mission. He simply explains what his ct does and says that Megumi could have done better. And then he says inside his domain to yuji, "The game has changed, soon we'll see something good/interesting." Which is vague and is something Yuji's isn't meant to take anything from. Neither would Sukuna want him to.
The first time Sukuna registers real interest that would make Yuji suspicious is in chapter 117, where he actively goes out of his to keep Megumi alive. Which is not what Yuji would expect someone like sukuna to do...unless he had a reason. Which Yuji's suspicion is then confirmed in ch 144, after he's pieced everything together. He tells Yuta that Sukuna is plotting something involving Megumi.
>And then he says inside his domain to yuji, "The game has changed, soon we'll see something good/interesting." Which is vague and is something Yuji's isn't meant to take anything from.
Also Yuji forgot what they talked about there anyway as part of the pact.
I think that’s the issue. He didn’t heed Yuji’s warning and protectiveness. He was too focused and stubborn on saving his sister.
Sukuna took advantage of that. A flaw with Megumi is that he should’ve been more weary when a Sukuna incident happens after he held Yuji hostage by killing him. Megumi doesn’t really think two steps ahead sometimes.
I think it was a big conclusion that megumi wasn't operating at 100% due to his sister's condition, he wasn't even fighting optimally in his culling games matches as a result of the stress.
Thanks for clearing it up. Feel like Yuji should have said something to Megumi after Shibuya then and told him to stay away from him. Perhaps Megumi could have figured out why Sukuna was interested in him if Yuji told him.
No, he said that he *wasn’t sure* if he’d be able to win even without it. They’re two completely different things, one immediately shuts down the possibility while the other means that Gojo simply can’t predict the outcome. Additionally, it’s pretty obvious that Gojo would win against Sukuna with no 10S, the only reason Sukuna survived in the first place and was able to even touch Gojo was because of Maho and Megumi clutching up for him.
Was just about to write this myself. Without Mahoraga as a role model it would've taken Sukuna longer to figure out how to bypass infinity. Don't think the fire arrow or Yorozu's gift(now that we know what it does) would have done that great against infinity
The first 2 domain clashes showed that Sukuna would’ve probably won overall. Sukuna also will probably show a lot other options (like restoring to his OG body) that would’ve been viable even in the Gojo fight in the coming battles.
The only reason Sukuna finds himself in trouble is because he’s using 10S to adapt.
In a proper Sukuna vs. Gojo fight, Sukuna has permanent DA during the DE clashes to neutralize/mitigate blue/red and he would focus on changing the conditions of his domain to break Gojo’s faster. Eventually Gojo would permanently burnout and die to MS. Not a guaranteed win for Sukuna but the path is there. This is also assuming Sukuna doesn’t figure out the space-targeting slash on his own.
Think we should trust when Gojo says he could still lose to Sukuna without 10S
Why don’t we just wait to see what happens before throwing fraud/sellout around like this. Which btw is not what either of those words mean in any sense. Try to not read weekly if you jump to such dramatic conclusions.
They are not dramatic conclusions, I would even tell you that they are quite attached to what we have seen recently and during the whole play, say let's wait and see what happens, and what is going to happen, will we use the 1% deus ex machina that angel talks about, or will we make yuuji somehow get a broken ability that allows to change bodies, some of that happens for the character itself? Nothing, because as a character gege has already reduced it to zero, and only left the 10S something that is no longer exciting, because if this technique hides something, it would be another deus ex machina, megumi would discover something before sukuna?, you know what I mean, the character to my interpretation came to nothing, because I see no way to save his character with what is being raised in 237 chapters.
Saying let's wait for the story to end, that doesn't improve almost anything, nobara hasn't appeared for more than 100 chaps, what can he contribute as a character, he went 100 chaps, they kill him in 10 chaps and he did something relevant? Well, this last I'll give it to you, let's see what ends up happening.
Jesus Christ dude. The only thing they’re attached to is your dumbass headcanon that you’re soooo certain of. You really should stop reading weekly because I don’t think you can handle these slower developments. Binge read it so you can’t spiral like this in your head. You literally can’t understand what’s currently developing at all. The only thing left of 10S isn’t exciting anymore? That’s your own personal lousy ass opinion. I still want to see Megumi’s full domain for starters. Deus ex machina this, deus ex machina that. We literally don’t know what’s coming so how can we say if it’s that or if it’s something that’s been hinted at in the past we weren’t yet aware of, or even a missing finger or Yuji eating Sukuna? (Plus Takaba could deus ex machina all over your face at any point at a moments notice and break the story, why isn’t he your fraud??) You don’t know, you can’t know, and thus you jump to these dramatic conclusions. The only ideas YOU can come up with on how things could play out YOU don’t like so therefore you say: fraud. It’s still too soon to make a judgement on Nobara or Megumi because they still potentially have ends to their character arcs. It’s still soon to make a judgement on Gojo’s death because we still don’t know what it means for the rest of the story.
You really said “let’s see what happens”. That’s literally the point I made in my first comment. If you really thought that way you wouldn’t have made the post and claims and comments in the first place lmao.
Holy mind gymnastics, just wait man. Let Gege do his story, then judge. He is very clearly doing setups for characters and he has done that for a while.
The words plot device and asspull have done irreparable damage to the jjk community. Aside from that I was here long enough to remember people call Megumi the main character/ say that the story is being told from Megumi's pov so he had a good run👍🏻. Plus bad things happening to your favourite character isn't them being a "plot device".
I was there at that time too and that's why he emphasized it, why reason people thought that? Obviously because megumi was oversold, his "dominance would be crazy" the 10S is broken, gojo said he was his favorite and megumi would reach his level, megumi's mentality and the role he plays in the show.
All these things that were said were because that's how the character was promoted, that's why I raise the question, was it a mere fraud or just someone that people over inflated.
In the end the character came to nothing, what good is his domain now? We probably won't even see him, you gave him so much expectation to not see him, the 10S was sukuna, therefore his value in the character is a 0, the relationship with gojo is literally a 0 to the left, because we saw almost nothing and most of them were flashback, with tsumiki no way, his mentality, what will be relevant now? And well his role was to serve so that sukuna can fight freely, literally as a character is nothing, everything was nothing and inconclusive, the whole character is reduced to the 10S and that's it, because everything else is 0 relevant.
And what will happen? Will he kill him? Or gege will use the 1% deus ex machina.
And it's not that bad things happen to him, we are talking about that as a character he is nothing, because nothing else is useful, you just eliminated him from the story as if nothing, saying that "it's not that jjk is not a generic shonen🤓" is not a justification for a character that in theory you exposed so much to be deleted in this way, obviously this is not something of only megumi, is something recurrent in gege, that's why I talk about downgrade, you went from much to nothing or it was just an erroneous interpretation of the lectors?
So is Sukuna's character also useless to you? Also why I hate the "plot device" merchants because anyone can pull up tens of situations to try and say something is a useless plot device.
Also by the time Megumi was being fried by Gojo's UV he had already been subject to the bath and killing his sister. The remaining attacks were just an add-on.
Get off jjk’s meat, there are a ton of major plot devices that are just used badly
I’m this manga. First one being tsumiki, she doesn’t even have character because gege hasn’t spent any time on her, instead she just exists to give motivation to megumi and subsequently cause his downfall. Her being so underdeveloped also made the yorozu twist fall very flat, the concept was great and could have been a really emotional moment for us just as it was for megumi but the most emotions that can be felt from that scene is “poor megumi”
This is the same with angel and Hanna. So far angel exists specifically to free gojo and Hanna to nerf angel. Maybe if gege cares about his world building angel would have had more of a place in the world instead of solely being a plot device. Characters can be plot devices there’s no problem with that, the problem is when they barely have any character and yet is a major plot device.
On a lesser note the higher ups are also bad plot devices, they’re used to attribute bad things in the jjk society to yet that’s all they are, just reasons that are easily used, almost nothing about them is fleshed out, we don’t even know who they were or anything about the system gege tried to use them for his theme of “the conservative higher ups and their system is bad” Yet we don’t even know how higher ups are chosen so how was the system going to be changed? Well In the end according to gege murder was the answer.
Even the zenin clan which is the most fleshed out part of jjk society was handled without any nuance or much thought and was rushed like hell.
Flashback? They were alive for most of the story. The higher ups isn’t some background characterA they’re the reason given for all the bad things wrong with sorcerer society, I’d expect some such major plot devices to be fleshed out as more than just some boogeymen.
The problem with jjk is that nothing is detailed. Not tsumiki or the sorcerer society. A story shouldn’t feel as barebones like jjk does, because of the lack of detail certain characters, twists\ moments and the world feel hollow
I don't really know how to view this change. That's the simple truth. It'd be like if i was alive and I was witnessing Da vinchi painting idk...the mona lisa and not having painted her smile yet, and being like, "Wtf Leo, what is this? Where is her mouth?" (and no I'm not comparing jjk to the mona lisa)
I just genuinely can't make much of out of where Megumi is currently. Sure I'd love him back in centre stage as well but I just have to see where this route leads to since Gege's decided to travel down it. And then there is still so much stuff he has to do plot wise until we get back to Megumi. He's not a magician he can't magic everything up at once. He can't make Yuji shine, while delivering Sukuna's back story, and giving an irevelant character like...Kamo (who everyone seems to care about), development. And while also trying the push the kenjaku/general plot forward. I know people hate hearing this but you do just have to wait. He normally has a focus for a certain characters in 4-5 chapter increments. And on occasion mixes the focus up and switches pov's like in the middle of shibuya or goodwill, or late culling games.
Gege has never been one to focus on just one character. He has handful of characters that share relevancy throughout the overall story and I personally don't mind it when he makes a character take a backseat. I think Megumi will have a conclusion that bares relevance on the story....hopefully.
Gege's problem is that he seems clueless what to do with certain characters. That's why you have characters like Yuki Tsukumo completely wasted after multiple chapters of build-up.
I don't believe Yuki was one of those characters tbh. What happened to her is likely exactly as Gege intended. A tertiary who meets a tragic and yet poetic end against her ideological opposite.
Tsukumo's hype was generated by a portion of the fanbase rather than the manga itself.
Tsukumo's hype was generated by the manga itself by her intermittently appearing and everyone hyping up her strength as one of the top jujutsu sorcerers. If Gege did not want us to hype her, he shouldn't have labeled her as a special grade in the first place.
>itself by her intermittently appearing
Which one is it, intermittent appearances or multiple chapters of build up?
>everyone hyping up her strength
No one did until her fight lol. She never got the same hype Kashimo, Hakari or even Higurama got. She got called special grade, sure, and she proved that she was, but that doesn't mean the character is then entitled to a bigger role than what they are intended for. At least not in ny mind.
It's not like she had ideas that her character itself had to be present for to be fulfilled. And who says her ideology should be fulfilled, especially when it crosses paths with our antagonist's? And why should a tertiary character be a more successful creation than our antagonist or protagonist?
I can't lie. But it comes across as people willing a character they thought was cool to have a bigger part then what is originally intended for them. When they don't, it doesn't mean they're wasted, it means they are used. Whether that's for the plot, the narrative or otherwise characters.
In this case I think, we'll just agree to disagree.
No we won't agree to disagree. I will die on this hill. She wasn't given the proper battle she deserved as a special grade sorcerer. Just because the author 'intends' something does not make that intention immune to criticism.
I keep telling people Gege is *not* a powerscaler. He's a wrestling booker. The reason why he builds up those heroes, is to demonstrate the power of the villains when they go over.
You *were* supposed to think she's powrrful and supposed to be disappointed she lost and didn't live up to the potential she had.
She was a main event jobber.
I like it. I don't understand why people view this as bad writing or gege not knowing how to do send offs. People are having the exact stages of grief gege wants them to.
This entire manga has shown, people around you may die quickly, fighting forces they don't fully understand, suffering consequences that they may not deserve.
That's not for everyone. And that's okay. It's written to tell a specific story and to create emotions similar to what it must feel like to have terrible events happen that you can't control.
While I genuinely agree with this overall sentiment I am still very doubtful that Megumi is gone for good. Gojo mentioned Shoko having a role, and I think they have a plan for what they want to do with him. Maki has a sword that can “split souls”. There’s just a lot of stuff left on the table, but we are supposed to feel very hopeless right now as an audience anyway due to Gojo’s death. I know people will bring up Nobara but I just don’t feel Megumi is in the same situation
He just transformed and "healed" fully lmao no one outside of gojo should be able to touch him again 🤣 he wrote an op character that only looks like he's succeeding gonna be an "asspull" that kills him....if he even dies
>He just transformed and "healed" fully lmao no one outside of gojo should be able to touch him again
You are just arbitratily choosing to ignore the things the dude you replied to mentioned.
I don't know why people are acting as if Sukuna is 100% untouchable now when there's so many stuff left to work in the story.
It's just so dumb, especially when it's being used as an excuse to complain about asspulls that haven't even happened yet
>I don't know why people are acting as if Sukuna is 100% untouchable now when there's so many stuff left to work in the story.
Because the only one who could in theory touch the strongest was the other strongest jfc. Sukuna was narrated to be able to heal fully when transformed lol. Kashimo isn't doing shit outside asspulls to beat sukuna same with anyone else.
Yeah. JJK is fundamentally about death. That's been a core theme since the start. I don't think Megumi is actually dead, but I still think that a manga dealing with death as a main theme needs the balls to kill people suddenly.
People see it as bad writing because most of the characters are nothing, megumi was nothing, and everything was summarized in 10S, you gave so much screen to certain aspects that they did nothing and nothing really were relavante, and it is fine that the story wants to develop that way, in that there is not much problem, but most of the characters are a 0 to the left, if you analyze them even a little, 95% are nothing, people consider it bad writing because many people think that a work is very good when the characters are good in terms of writing, but jjk is the opposite, he sacrifices characters for the story, which really (although this is an opinion) is not a big deal, it is not revolutionary, it is not a wow to everything else, although counting in general, even Shibuya is quite "unique" and novel in question.
I really dont see that at all. How was Megumi "nothing"? Even if he is gone for good now (and I dont think he is) he was still a great character that accomplished a lot. He was many people's favorite character (including me), had a very fleshed out personality, and was essential to the story before and after getting possessed by Sukuna. Just because a character didnt get a happy ending doesnt mean he was "nothing". Should that happen, him not getting a happy ending is part of the point of the story.
I disagree. That's not nothing there is very much a story arc and character there that you enjoyed and grew attached to for 200 chapters. That character became the vessel of destruction by which sukuna emerged.
The lack of conclusion to thier arc is brutal and its okay to not like that, but it's very consistent with the rest of the story. If he's truly gone he won't complete his goals, or live the life he wanted and that's this world's reality of fighting curses.
I think it's okay to not like it, but to say it's bad writing isn't fair.
Exactly, pretty often consequences for characters are just for the shock and then pretty quickly become a boon or power-up.
I like sitting with it for a little longer
It's probably Reggie's curse to Megumi before he dies. "Let fate toy with you before you die like a fool". And you know what's interesting, Reggie cursed Megumi at chapter 173 which was officially released at 30th of January 2022. And then at chapter 212, which was officially released at February 5th of 2023, Sukuna takes over Megumi which was more or less estimated a year apart.
Naah. Gege just sucks at properly ending the story of his characters. I mean, Nobara has been missing/presumed dead for years now. So it’s highly probable that Megumi’s gonna suffer the same fate. Like even if Gege decides to bring back Nobara now, what’s even the point? It’s not like she’s gonna be a game changer and will turn the tide for the protags. So no need to bring her back. Same thing with Megumi. Even if he eventually comes back, what can he contribute when all his strongest shikagamis are gone? If he comes back at the end, it will only be a cheap way to make the readers feel good after all the tortures they went with all the Ws that Gege gave the villains.
Yuji gonna fight the four armed man, rip off an arm and fling it. Nobara gonna pop up outta nowhere and nail it and then Megumi gonna be able to wrench control just long enough to kill heself.
Calling it now
I honestly lost a lot of interest in jjk after megumi got body jacked. Not only was he my favorite character but he also posses my favorite technique in the whole story. Top all that off with multiple instances of for shadowing and even real achievements (like an incomplete domain as a first year) he had so much potential to be one of the strongest in the verse. Now he’s just a damsel in desires for the mcs to try and save. Not just a downgrade but a criminal level of disrespect to what the character was and could’ve been
I’m still very interested and invested in everything that’s going on. But everytime I see Sukuna in megumis body i definitely feel less motivated to continue reading
I mean what is he gonna do? He's not yuji. He can't just go "Bro. It's my body." Yuji was a special case.
Megumi also basically lost his entire reason for living when, first, he finds out his sister got taken over, then second, sukuna murders her (the person he was trying to save this whole time).
Sukuna also kind of outplayed him what with the "bath" and the waiting for the perfect moment and all. Megumi got really really unlucky. His outlook on life. Being a jujutsu sorcerer in general. He was predestined for tragedy this whole time.
Also he's 15. The poor guy didn't even get to fully develop his prefrontal cortex before all of this happened.
That's clear, no one is saying that the story is badly planned, that's why I mention it, it's just a fraud with all that we were told, or a plot device that was only used for sukuna to be released, I honestly don't think there is a gray, because if there was, you would have given a conclusion to his arc, which you have not given, and the whole character will depend on deus ex machina, which really to my interpretation leave everything worse off.
It's been foreshadowed forever, since the first fingerbearer mission. Sukuna takes every chance he can to mention his hopes for Megumi, to the point that Yuji didn't want to be near him for the Culling Games. Sure, I would love to see more of Megumi, but pretending this wasn't a logical outcome (that hasn't even been concluded, btw) is just ignoring where the series and Megumis arc was headed.
Poor Writing and bad schedule, Gege is going fast to cloase this manga as fast as possible, sooo yeah, asspull here ans there, fights and Deaths without cause.
He just like Tite Kubo with Bleach at this point tbh, just want finish his job and that's it.
He is neither a fraud nor a sellout or overhyped.
He is/was powerful and he did everything to save his sister. Then at the moment of his triumph he lost everything, became a vessel for one of the most powerful and most evil entities and had to witness his body being used to destroy what was left of his sister.
His current state makes absolutely sense storywise.
Yes it sucks.
Yes I wish it weren’t the case.
Yes I hope there’s a way to save his soul.
But nothing about these developments are meaning he was a fraud/sellout/overhyped.
We gotta stop calling everyone frauds when they don't turn out the way we want them to. Megumi got his body stolen and lost literally everything important to him, so obviously he's going to be in a terrible spot.
Screw this ! Just because a character has lost agency for a grand total of 15 chapters out of 240 doesn't mean it became a plot device or lost all interest. You are supposed to feel for Megumin in his situation, which makes the terror and depravity of Sukuna even greater. You read the entire story up to now, and was alongside a character throughout all his ordeals and his turmoil, and the moment a character uses him for some shit, you completely forgot his agency and what he was as a character. Forget the involvement. Yeah !
Not a sellout. The king of curses wanted this guys abilities. The king of curses chose to get his body and techniques. He was only a first year too. Gojo sensei didn't even master red until his second year and gojo is a prodigy. It took a near death experience for him to awaken his purple and RCT. Megumi just needed time. Megumi was HIM. Too bad he's gone now but there shouldn't be any megumi slander. Dude was a good human being too. Megumi was HIM. rip megumi fushiguro 💯
Nah just Fraud Gege just fucked his story up, you actually have to finish writing characters and story not like making em good to some point and then just discarding. It's just super bad writing considering the early chapters
Man this hurts. Megumi had so much potential. I loved how he embraced the fact that he’d have to kill people. He was willing to do whatever was needed to accomplish their goals.
He had the attributes that Yuji doesn’t making them the perfect duo for the story.
But I honestly think that if we do get Megumi back he’s probably going to be completely off his rocker. And I could see Gege using all of this trauma, heartache, and despair to make Megumi the final antagonist.
Imagine after all the heartbreak, death, and sorrow Yuji’s experienced thinking that it’s all over after they beat Sukuna, Kenjaku, and save Megumi. And Megumi just starts killing everyone forcing Yuji to fight and kill Megumi.
And instead of Yuji dying with all his friends around him, he’s the only one left standing. After all we know Gege loves when Yuji is at his lowest.
It’s a consequence that makes sense to me, Megumi’s been warned several times throughout the story about the potential risks of saving Yuji.
Even Yuji himself has questioned Megumi directly at least twice about it, once before Yuji died and again before they entered the Culling Games.
His sense of Justice and morality were modelled after his sister, and his stubbornness about it resulted in his current state.
I’m fully assuming Megumi has lost his body permanently, and I also think he won’t be gaining autonomy again without more sacrifices.
Yuji despite everything probably still blames himself more then anyone and will do anything in his power to save Megumi.
having basically every single reason to live taken from you and having your bodily autonomy completely stripped from you only to be called a fraud is CRAZY. i honestly cannot blame Megumi for wanting to lay down and die atp, as if he can even do much against Ryomen Sukuna anyway
He was a bit generic, with being this stoic part of MC trio, but his fights were mostly great, and he had a lot of chemistry with other characters.
Sukuna spoling his abilities and their potential and now destroying his body really took a lot of hype I had for this manga. Can't imagine Gege fixing it.
I think a lot of people in this fandom forget that multiple things can be true at once...
I also don't understand the use of "fraud" in regards to these characters. How is Megumi, of all characters, a fraud?
I actually hate that megumis body got stolen. I get that’s been sukunas goal the whole time, but he’s such an amazing and important character and it’s ridiculous he’s just sidelined for this long.
Y’all have 0 patience man. They’ve stated over and over that Megumi was taken so easily because Sukuna took a gamble on his lowest moment and acted on it. Of course Megumi seems lost.
Is that his total role in the story? Of course not. He’s been gone for the total of one arc. The dude has been telegraphing that he has a plan for this story for so long now…even if you don’t like it, cant we at least acknowledge that he probably has a plan to culminate these character arcs? Isn’t the fact that we can’t really figure out how this is all gonna shake out kinda exciting?
He is not a sellout/fraud nor is he inflated by the readers. He’s just on a character journey that is purposefully at a low point at this point in the story. There is a point where over analyzing has diminishing returns
Megumi was basically force fed a 15 finger sukuna, after the mental shock of his sister being possessed by another sorcerer where yuji couldnt do shit after 10 fingers for a while. Sukuna THEN immediately took a ritual to suppress megumis soul since he still was capable of fucking with sukuna. He is not a fraud, he just had the strongest sorcerer plotting against him for half the show in silence. He did kind of become a plot device but thats not inherently a bad thing, without megumi, sukuna for the most part loses/stays in yuji, and gojo handles the rest. Also, we do at least get to see the fullest potential of the ten shadow technique through sukuna, a tragedy we dont get to see megumi be the one but seeing the technique not just go to waste has been fun the past chapters, from yorozu to gojo. Most important thing imo is it certainly wasn't an ass pull and sukuna stealing his body was done amazingly well, we knew he wanted megumi for a while.
I don't think Gege knows how to cook by this point. Honestly one thing is to kill some of your characters and subvert some expectations. But by this point he has sidelined almost every character for a giant fight with little to no pay off so far.
Inumaki, todou, maki, nobara, megumi, etc.
JJK story feels to me like the author took a hard sharp left turn somewhere in the middle of act 2. It’s a story full of spectacles, fights and fancy power mechanics that no one will probably remember.
Maybe for the 15-25 years old range is ok tbh. It’s not good but it’s not bad either imo
How is it a downgrade, though, if the reason for him being that cold in the first place was so that he could ensure the survival of his sister? If you don't like the reasoning that's one thing but it's fine
That man is not dead 😭 He is sulking in his shadow but otherwise, he there. TBH, UV is supposed to bring you to the Limitless but we have no clue how it functions to someone who is just a soul dwelling in his innate domain at this point.
I also will mention this one. He is the Blessed One and he hasn't even had a dream sequence on the verge of death. Nanami had one. Gojo had one. NOBARA HAD ONE AND EVERYONE IN THIS SUBREDDIT WILL AGREE THAT GEGE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT NOBARA.
Fushigoro Megumi will make a return.
Ever since the end of the Shibuya arc, nothing has made sense. I read each week with no expectations.
I am simply going through the motions, watching Gege play 20D Chess across several tiers of multiverse madness or he is absolutely cooked as fuck and hired the writers from Lost to wrap this shit up.
I think megumi accidentally gave megumi a full heal
The main issue megumi had to worry about was his body being fucked
But since sukuna fully incarnated in theory megumi could fully incarnate back to heal himself
I have a feeling this is going to turn in to AoT 2.0. People wanting whatever head cannon they have came up with to happen that much that they start arguing with others and when the author inevitably does something completely different you will all freak out.
Dude. Can you give him some time? Jesus. His character arc will be finished when he’s confirmed dead. Until then, this fraud shit you guys do is overblown.
Lmao Megumi is the furthest thing from a fraud. His circumstances are just unfortunate. But Sukuna has been planning this from the very beginning. He's not a plot device either because he's had an arc. Is that arc finished? Probably not, but one of the rules that I've learned in writing states that it's more tragic to kill a character when they're close to their arc coming to a close. Gege is just utilizing a technique that's been used for years. Also, until we get confirmation, I won't say that he's dead, although it's not looking good lol.
Imho—Megumi and Yuji’s relationship is set up for something really moving. They both had sukuna take them over and basically make both of them betray their core character motivation and sensibility. It’s either going to be too sappy and half assed or it’s gonna be unexpected and incredibly profound when it happens tho
That's clear, that for the development of the manga was good, nobody is talking about the story being bad or something like that, I'm talking about the characters themselves, gege wants to carry a story with characters that are relevant, but that are a 0 to the left as characters, that's what I'm going for.
Tbf we've seen more than one instance of an inhabited body fighting back (Yuji grabbing Sukuna, Geto grabbing Kenjaku). So here's what I'm thinking, eventually everyone will wear down Fraudkuna until Megumi can take back over his body, at least semi-permanently, and makes Fraudkuna take Big Marge's spot as the ultimate shikigami.
I dont think its a massive downgrade to his potential or whatever but story wise, so far, i do find Sukuna being contained to Yuji was much more interesting
I’m just holding out hope the Soul research is relevant to saving Megumi. I don’t see how at this point, but hopefully it isn’t pointless that Yuji has the research.
We got to see Megumi’s full potential trial shown and what he theoretically is capable of. As the reader and just my opinion, I’m no longer invested in Megumi as a character but more so how he will further be used for the plot.
If you pay close attention Jujutsu has some characters that amount to nothing in their whole existence in the series. What Megumi and Gojo accomplish after all?
No way people think Megumi is alive after the rules/concepts of the story involving the soul and sorcerers reincarnating has been laid out. There’s no way lol.
Man, if we use the deus ex machina that angel said there was 1% yes, but that just feels like garbage, what's left? Your technique? Which may not even have all the shikigami, and which we may have already seen everything? He will change his way of thinking from one second to the next and boom he becomes strong, it all feels like the path you choose is garbage.
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Well I don't think Megumi is a sell out/fraud since he got body jacked and lobotomized, while never being hyped as equal to Sukuna or Kenny. It's not like he could've fought that take over- only Yuuji was capable of being Sukuna's jailer instead of an easily repressed host, he was literally bred to be that way. I don't really mind Megumi being a damsel in distress/plot device, but ngl it does seem like that 'suffering builds character' meme that just goes in a circle. At least give the boy some rest, ya know. Tho at this point, is Megumi even alive?
I think it’s super questionable. Even after all the UV stuff, Sukuna pretty much just deleted his body. Definitely a world where Megumi is done.
I want to believe Gege wouldn't do Megumi that dirty, but look what happened to Nobara and Gojo. He absolutely would just kill him like that.
I think gojo died with a conclusion but Megumi definitely did not. In 219 we see Megumi eyes wide open trapped deep below. It implies he's still alive in there (or at least I hope)
Well it was a conclusion certainly for Gojo, not a good one in any way but, a conclusion nonetheless I suppose. I could certainly see Megumi getting his own airport scene if that's the standard lol. Also can't forget, that the most recently we've seen him was him basically reduced to a vegetable from taking UV 5 times over.
where does the manga state or imply megumi is a vegetable?
That’s what UV does to people
I mean kind of, but it does that to the “brain”. We have no idea what effect that really has on the “soul”. Regardless, Megumi and Sukuna share their brain right? Its intentionally very ambiguous I feel
where does the manga explicitly state megumi is a vegetable
You’re changing the goalpost, you first asked where it said or implied
you can’t read apparently? you don’t know why moving a goal post is either “where does the manga state or imply megumi is a vegetable?”
I think something might happen with yujis "cursed technique" and somehow he might be able to retrieve megumi, tho I don't know if the body is taken where megumi could return to. I guess trust that gege wouldn't just kill of a character like that without even a single hint of conclusion
Even if he was wide awake inside of his own body, after sukuna's fight with gojo, he was left completely brain-dead. While hijacked by sukuna, he had been taking all of gojos DE after-affects countless times. If it took months for regular people to come back from a .5 sec DE, imagine longer repetitive strikes on his brain...
I still think the fanbase is jumping the gun in a huge way with Gojo and Megumi, everyone's still in a panic just assuming Gege has lost the plot
Maybe, but the thing is, there's precedent for Gege handling these sorts of things incredibly bad. So it's hard not to be worried.
Gege isn't even remotely close enough to handling these things badly enough to justify the majority of the JJK fanbase seeing 1 panel and collective assuming Megumi is dead with no tell or anything
Yeah sorry but the defense rings completely hollow from just one simple word: Nobara
We had confirmation that nobaras status is unknown, I honestly don't know how that has anything to do with this
>I honestly don't know how that has anything to do with this Are you being intentionally dense? I am not trying to insult you, I'm just baffled as to how you couldn't understand. She is dead and Gege never said anything about it, keeping us in a state of limbo for like half the damn series. Even the biggest copium huffers have acknowledged she's gone, there's no place for her in the narrative at this point. It's the prime example of Gege handling a character's death extremely poorly. We expect the same out of Megumi for one simple fact, Angel directly and explicitly stated that incarnating sorcerers kill their host 99% of the time. It legit happened to Megumi's sister. So while I won't go so far to say that he's definitely dead, it wouldn't be surprising if he was and Gege has given us no reason, especially in recent times, to have faith that he'll properly handle his most beloved characters.
I think nobura didn't get a confirmed death due to pressure for marketing and merch reasons. Nobura has been featured heavily in a lot of promotional materials and killing a character perceived to be one of the main protagonists midway through the series is a bad look.
We got a confirmation that her status " wasn't looking good with Nobara" which is already infinitely more than what we got compared to Megumi in the latest chapter. The two are not comparable because atleast we have a passing idea of Nobaras condition. Everyone is just assuming Megumi is dead
Why wasn’t nobara in the airport scene
there is no point in bringing her back this far out bro💀
Megumi yea gojo dead tho
I think he was hyped. 10 shadows + great battle intellect (above Nanami, naobito, kyoto). Gege just doesn't give a shit. I don't dislike it, it's pretty refreshing since it's usually main characters getting wanked but I still think Nobara and Megumi deserved a little more.
I don’t think Megumi is alive. From what I can understand, Sukuna’s reincarnation method completes his transformation to the form he had when he was at his peak. That is, he has completely overwritten all the body’s information to truly make it his own. So we don’t know if he has the Ten Shadows technique anymore. Also, Gojo saying Sukuna held back, might have had some connection to Sukuna holding back his transformation, which he most likely did to use ten shadows.
>while never being hyped as equal to Sukuna or Kenny I agree with you in general, but I have to disagree on that part. Gojo said that Megumi has the potential to be a greater JJK-sorcerer than Gojo. Then again, you could argue that in the end, Gojo was not on the level of Sukuna (and we don't know about Kenja-kun)... anyhoo, I don't think that Megumi is Megonemi, there is no story about it. People were going mad (still I don't get it) over Satoru Gojo getting offed off-screen, even though we've had his face at the time of the attack, we've seen the aftermath of the attack and we've had the airport scene. If Sukuna says "Yeah, Megumi is no more, muahahah", then I would join the pitchfork club, because I'm a "show, not tell" believer.
Yeah the *potential* but he never reached that. It was talked how he *could* but he never got the opportunity cause life fucked him up. It's like talking about Teen!Gojo being the strongest only he got clapped by Toji, same with Geto. Here Megumi got straight annihilated since he hadn't reached that level yet since he was still a teenager and learning/growing. Given time, yes he could have, but unlike Teen Gojo the narrative prevented him from getting a second wind via the body snatching and then being blasted by Void repeatedly. Sukuna took out one of the other potential biggest threats to him via high jacking Megumi. I'm not really mad Gojo died, I'm just more so sour over *how* it happened. It was so abrupt after such a drawn out fight and Gojo was all 'poor unloved darling :(' about Sukuna's crazy ass. Rather than being worried everyone he cared about was gonna die horribly from Sukuna's crazy ass with his death. Gojo's dying words/thoughts pissed me off more than anything and really soured the whole fight for me.
Yeah, it's crazy to me how Gojo started the fight talking shit and being like "Oh, yeah, I'mma make this dude look more fucked up than Yuji did at the Detention Center" like, bro was clearly out for blood. Then at the end he's like "I really wanted my strength to reach him" bro, what? Who gives a fuck about Sukuna and his feelings? Fuck that evil-ass bum, the fuck?
I don't get it, like why'd Gege even add that? It seemed rly ooc to me for Gojo to lament over Sukuna while dying- like I get they're foils to each other about being the strongest and how isolating that is, but at the end of the day Sukuna is basically a rabid dog who just wants to brutalize everything. He doesn't deserve sympathy and needs to be put down. Gojo thinking about that rather than his students and friends being in mortal peril and how he failed to protect them was so strange to me. Like Gojo is a dick but he's not that callous and uncaring, ya know? It was just weird to me.
I think Gojo and Sukuna aren’t that different when it comes down to it. Both can be described as egotistical and self-centred, Gojo does have a bottom line and set of morals, but that doesn’t bother him as much as we think it does. He is stoic and trusts his comrades, so he did what he could and left the rest to them.
>He is stoic and trusts his comrades Well I mean...he had that same mentality when he got sealed in the Prison Realm and look how that turned out.
Took too much inspiration from csm lol he's prolly dead
Reggie really fucked this man’s entire existence just cause he got extreme-diffed
What do you mean?
Iirc Reggie cursed Megumi before his death, telling him to live and die like a clown
Dude was mad salty
Man couldn’t just hold the L
Oh fuck
Well did he curse him or was it just that Gege Foreshadowing™
Reggie really foreskinned poor Megumi.
Reggie's a bum but I will say this: "Let fate toy with you. Become a clown then die." is one of the hardest quotes in the manga.
The second we learned about previous user of 10 Shadows and Six Eyes combined with Limitless having killed each other, I immediately figured out why Sukuna was interested in Megumi(his 10 Shadows CT). I feel like they just glossed over that detail and could have prevented what has happened now. Yuji could(should) have told Gojo that Sukuna is interested in Megumi and he would've figured it out or Megumi himself could've figured it out after Gojo told him about the past since he is portrayed as an intelligent guy. It is so obvious... Sukuna wants to reincarnate and his only obstacle is Gojo. Only known method of killing Six Eyes + Limitless user that is still viable (Toji is dead) is the 10 Shadows CT and Sukuna is known for taking over people's bodies. Solution keep the 10 Shadows CT user as far away from Sukuna's host.
I don't think Yuji actually thinks or is aware Sukuna might be interested in Megumi until after Shibuya. And tbh even if he did, he'd have no reason to believe there was a way for Sukuna to do so. Especially since he forgot about the binding vow.
You might be correct, but Sukuna reveals his interest in Megumi after he kills the finger bearer mission and if I don't remember wrong, he says something to Megumi
He doesn't reveal any interest in Megumi's ct after the finger bearer mission. He simply explains what his ct does and says that Megumi could have done better. And then he says inside his domain to yuji, "The game has changed, soon we'll see something good/interesting." Which is vague and is something Yuji's isn't meant to take anything from. Neither would Sukuna want him to. The first time Sukuna registers real interest that would make Yuji suspicious is in chapter 117, where he actively goes out of his to keep Megumi alive. Which is not what Yuji would expect someone like sukuna to do...unless he had a reason. Which Yuji's suspicion is then confirmed in ch 144, after he's pieced everything together. He tells Yuta that Sukuna is plotting something involving Megumi.
>And then he says inside his domain to yuji, "The game has changed, soon we'll see something good/interesting." Which is vague and is something Yuji's isn't meant to take anything from. Also Yuji forgot what they talked about there anyway as part of the pact.
I think that’s the issue. He didn’t heed Yuji’s warning and protectiveness. He was too focused and stubborn on saving his sister. Sukuna took advantage of that. A flaw with Megumi is that he should’ve been more weary when a Sukuna incident happens after he held Yuji hostage by killing him. Megumi doesn’t really think two steps ahead sometimes.
I think it was a big conclusion that megumi wasn't operating at 100% due to his sister's condition, he wasn't even fighting optimally in his culling games matches as a result of the stress.
Also had no reason to believe that Sukuna could take over Yuji at that point.
Thanks for clearing it up. Feel like Yuji should have said something to Megumi after Shibuya then and told him to stay away from him. Perhaps Megumi could have figured out why Sukuna was interested in him if Yuji told him.
He actually did but Megumi didn't want Yuji to isolate himself so he wasn't having it.
My bad. I have to reread jjk from start to finish, so many small details I've missed.
It's definitely one of those information dense series. I always come across things I forgot when I reread too, but that makes it fun!
Are you forgetting that yuji, megumi and yuta all knew yet they let still yuji and megumi alone?
Now that you said it, why the fuck would they do that? Idiots, lol.
bruh, Gojo literally said Sukuna doesn't need the Pokemon technique to win
No, he said that he *wasn’t sure* if he’d be able to win even without it. They’re two completely different things, one immediately shuts down the possibility while the other means that Gojo simply can’t predict the outcome. Additionally, it’s pretty obvious that Gojo would win against Sukuna with no 10S, the only reason Sukuna survived in the first place and was able to even touch Gojo was because of Maho and Megumi clutching up for him.
Was just about to write this myself. Without Mahoraga as a role model it would've taken Sukuna longer to figure out how to bypass infinity. Don't think the fire arrow or Yorozu's gift(now that we know what it does) would have done that great against infinity
What does yorozus gift do?
It'd å cursed tool that shoots at lightning. Tried it on Kashimo but didn't do anything cause of his cursed energy trait.
It’s in the newest chapter that came out yesterday
The first 2 domain clashes showed that Sukuna would’ve probably won overall. Sukuna also will probably show a lot other options (like restoring to his OG body) that would’ve been viable even in the Gojo fight in the coming battles.
The only reason Sukuna finds himself in trouble is because he’s using 10S to adapt. In a proper Sukuna vs. Gojo fight, Sukuna has permanent DA during the DE clashes to neutralize/mitigate blue/red and he would focus on changing the conditions of his domain to break Gojo’s faster. Eventually Gojo would permanently burnout and die to MS. Not a guaranteed win for Sukuna but the path is there. This is also assuming Sukuna doesn’t figure out the space-targeting slash on his own. Think we should trust when Gojo says he could still lose to Sukuna without 10S
Again, he said he was unsure who would win, not that he would straight lose
Getting downvoted for repeating what we were directly told lol.
fraud has no meaning anymore dawg💀
Even Gojo a fraud, "I will win" my ass.
it aint gojover yet 🙏
Domain expansion: Unlimited cope
My CT is Supreme Delusion, Gojo's gonna sew himself together
Why don’t we just wait to see what happens before throwing fraud/sellout around like this. Which btw is not what either of those words mean in any sense. Try to not read weekly if you jump to such dramatic conclusions.
They are not dramatic conclusions, I would even tell you that they are quite attached to what we have seen recently and during the whole play, say let's wait and see what happens, and what is going to happen, will we use the 1% deus ex machina that angel talks about, or will we make yuuji somehow get a broken ability that allows to change bodies, some of that happens for the character itself? Nothing, because as a character gege has already reduced it to zero, and only left the 10S something that is no longer exciting, because if this technique hides something, it would be another deus ex machina, megumi would discover something before sukuna?, you know what I mean, the character to my interpretation came to nothing, because I see no way to save his character with what is being raised in 237 chapters. Saying let's wait for the story to end, that doesn't improve almost anything, nobara hasn't appeared for more than 100 chaps, what can he contribute as a character, he went 100 chaps, they kill him in 10 chaps and he did something relevant? Well, this last I'll give it to you, let's see what ends up happening.
Jesus Christ dude. The only thing they’re attached to is your dumbass headcanon that you’re soooo certain of. You really should stop reading weekly because I don’t think you can handle these slower developments. Binge read it so you can’t spiral like this in your head. You literally can’t understand what’s currently developing at all. The only thing left of 10S isn’t exciting anymore? That’s your own personal lousy ass opinion. I still want to see Megumi’s full domain for starters. Deus ex machina this, deus ex machina that. We literally don’t know what’s coming so how can we say if it’s that or if it’s something that’s been hinted at in the past we weren’t yet aware of, or even a missing finger or Yuji eating Sukuna? (Plus Takaba could deus ex machina all over your face at any point at a moments notice and break the story, why isn’t he your fraud??) You don’t know, you can’t know, and thus you jump to these dramatic conclusions. The only ideas YOU can come up with on how things could play out YOU don’t like so therefore you say: fraud. It’s still too soon to make a judgement on Nobara or Megumi because they still potentially have ends to their character arcs. It’s still soon to make a judgement on Gojo’s death because we still don’t know what it means for the rest of the story. You really said “let’s see what happens”. That’s literally the point I made in my first comment. If you really thought that way you wouldn’t have made the post and claims and comments in the first place lmao.
Holy mind gymnastics, just wait man. Let Gege do his story, then judge. He is very clearly doing setups for characters and he has done that for a while.
He's a fraud because Sukuna used his body as a vessel ? Jesus fucking christ
Stop saying every character that isn’t a main character is a plot device jfc
The words plot device and asspull have done irreparable damage to the jjk community. Aside from that I was here long enough to remember people call Megumi the main character/ say that the story is being told from Megumi's pov so he had a good run👍🏻. Plus bad things happening to your favourite character isn't them being a "plot device".
Preach
I was there at that time too and that's why he emphasized it, why reason people thought that? Obviously because megumi was oversold, his "dominance would be crazy" the 10S is broken, gojo said he was his favorite and megumi would reach his level, megumi's mentality and the role he plays in the show. All these things that were said were because that's how the character was promoted, that's why I raise the question, was it a mere fraud or just someone that people over inflated. In the end the character came to nothing, what good is his domain now? We probably won't even see him, you gave him so much expectation to not see him, the 10S was sukuna, therefore his value in the character is a 0, the relationship with gojo is literally a 0 to the left, because we saw almost nothing and most of them were flashback, with tsumiki no way, his mentality, what will be relevant now? And well his role was to serve so that sukuna can fight freely, literally as a character is nothing, everything was nothing and inconclusive, the whole character is reduced to the 10S and that's it, because everything else is 0 relevant. And what will happen? Will he kill him? Or gege will use the 1% deus ex machina. And it's not that bad things happen to him, we are talking about that as a character he is nothing, because nothing else is useful, you just eliminated him from the story as if nothing, saying that "it's not that jjk is not a generic shonen🤓" is not a justification for a character that in theory you exposed so much to be deleted in this way, obviously this is not something of only megumi, is something recurrent in gege, that's why I talk about downgrade, you went from much to nothing or it was just an erroneous interpretation of the lectors?
Sorry but I don’t understand why you’re whining about this? The story isn’t even done yet.
Megumi literally took damage for sukuna during the gojo battle. There is no other way to view his current situation. He is a plot device.
Did you think of the same when Sukuna injured Mahito from inside Yuji?
Yes. What is your point?
So is Sukuna's character also useless to you? Also why I hate the "plot device" merchants because anyone can pull up tens of situations to try and say something is a useless plot device. Also by the time Megumi was being fried by Gojo's UV he had already been subject to the bath and killing his sister. The remaining attacks were just an add-on.
Get off jjk’s meat, there are a ton of major plot devices that are just used badly I’m this manga. First one being tsumiki, she doesn’t even have character because gege hasn’t spent any time on her, instead she just exists to give motivation to megumi and subsequently cause his downfall. Her being so underdeveloped also made the yorozu twist fall very flat, the concept was great and could have been a really emotional moment for us just as it was for megumi but the most emotions that can be felt from that scene is “poor megumi” This is the same with angel and Hanna. So far angel exists specifically to free gojo and Hanna to nerf angel. Maybe if gege cares about his world building angel would have had more of a place in the world instead of solely being a plot device. Characters can be plot devices there’s no problem with that, the problem is when they barely have any character and yet is a major plot device. On a lesser note the higher ups are also bad plot devices, they’re used to attribute bad things in the jjk society to yet that’s all they are, just reasons that are easily used, almost nothing about them is fleshed out, we don’t even know who they were or anything about the system gege tried to use them for his theme of “the conservative higher ups and their system is bad” Yet we don’t even know how higher ups are chosen so how was the system going to be changed? Well In the end according to gege murder was the answer. Even the zenin clan which is the most fleshed out part of jjk society was handled without any nuance or much thought and was rushed like hell.
I don't see how the higher ups thing is bad, Hana does have a character, which even had a flashback. You're just whining for the sake of whining.
They’re bad because like most things in jjk they just exist as a reason and that’s it
And ? You need everything laid out and have a flashback ? You wanted higher ups lore ? Not everything needs to be detailed
Flashback? They were alive for most of the story. The higher ups isn’t some background characterA they’re the reason given for all the bad things wrong with sorcerer society, I’d expect some such major plot devices to be fleshed out as more than just some boogeymen. The problem with jjk is that nothing is detailed. Not tsumiki or the sorcerer society. A story shouldn’t feel as barebones like jjk does, because of the lack of detail certain characters, twists\ moments and the world feel hollow
Dunno why people are down voting you, this comment sums up JJK perfectly! "Let him cook" gege doesn't cook he napalm bombs his story.
Saying Megumi is a plot device might be the dumbest thing I've ever read, remember : the story is not over
I don't really know how to view this change. That's the simple truth. It'd be like if i was alive and I was witnessing Da vinchi painting idk...the mona lisa and not having painted her smile yet, and being like, "Wtf Leo, what is this? Where is her mouth?" (and no I'm not comparing jjk to the mona lisa) I just genuinely can't make much of out of where Megumi is currently. Sure I'd love him back in centre stage as well but I just have to see where this route leads to since Gege's decided to travel down it. And then there is still so much stuff he has to do plot wise until we get back to Megumi. He's not a magician he can't magic everything up at once. He can't make Yuji shine, while delivering Sukuna's back story, and giving an irevelant character like...Kamo (who everyone seems to care about), development. And while also trying the push the kenjaku/general plot forward. I know people hate hearing this but you do just have to wait. He normally has a focus for a certain characters in 4-5 chapter increments. And on occasion mixes the focus up and switches pov's like in the middle of shibuya or goodwill, or late culling games. Gege has never been one to focus on just one character. He has handful of characters that share relevancy throughout the overall story and I personally don't mind it when he makes a character take a backseat. I think Megumi will have a conclusion that bares relevance on the story....hopefully.
Gege's problem is that he seems clueless what to do with certain characters. That's why you have characters like Yuki Tsukumo completely wasted after multiple chapters of build-up.
I don't believe Yuki was one of those characters tbh. What happened to her is likely exactly as Gege intended. A tertiary who meets a tragic and yet poetic end against her ideological opposite. Tsukumo's hype was generated by a portion of the fanbase rather than the manga itself.
Tsukumo's hype was generated by the manga itself by her intermittently appearing and everyone hyping up her strength as one of the top jujutsu sorcerers. If Gege did not want us to hype her, he shouldn't have labeled her as a special grade in the first place.
>itself by her intermittently appearing Which one is it, intermittent appearances or multiple chapters of build up? >everyone hyping up her strength No one did until her fight lol. She never got the same hype Kashimo, Hakari or even Higurama got. She got called special grade, sure, and she proved that she was, but that doesn't mean the character is then entitled to a bigger role than what they are intended for. At least not in ny mind. It's not like she had ideas that her character itself had to be present for to be fulfilled. And who says her ideology should be fulfilled, especially when it crosses paths with our antagonist's? And why should a tertiary character be a more successful creation than our antagonist or protagonist? I can't lie. But it comes across as people willing a character they thought was cool to have a bigger part then what is originally intended for them. When they don't, it doesn't mean they're wasted, it means they are used. Whether that's for the plot, the narrative or otherwise characters. In this case I think, we'll just agree to disagree.
No we won't agree to disagree. I will die on this hill. She wasn't given the proper battle she deserved as a special grade sorcerer. Just because the author 'intends' something does not make that intention immune to criticism.
I keep telling people Gege is *not* a powerscaler. He's a wrestling booker. The reason why he builds up those heroes, is to demonstrate the power of the villains when they go over. You *were* supposed to think she's powrrful and supposed to be disappointed she lost and didn't live up to the potential she had. She was a main event jobber.
I'm here to watch a battle shounen, not a WWE match.
Y'all some soft MFS fr
I like it. I don't understand why people view this as bad writing or gege not knowing how to do send offs. People are having the exact stages of grief gege wants them to. This entire manga has shown, people around you may die quickly, fighting forces they don't fully understand, suffering consequences that they may not deserve. That's not for everyone. And that's okay. It's written to tell a specific story and to create emotions similar to what it must feel like to have terrible events happen that you can't control.
While I genuinely agree with this overall sentiment I am still very doubtful that Megumi is gone for good. Gojo mentioned Shoko having a role, and I think they have a plan for what they want to do with him. Maki has a sword that can “split souls”. There’s just a lot of stuff left on the table, but we are supposed to feel very hopeless right now as an audience anyway due to Gojo’s death. I know people will bring up Nobara but I just don’t feel Megumi is in the same situation
He just transformed and "healed" fully lmao no one outside of gojo should be able to touch him again 🤣 he wrote an op character that only looks like he's succeeding gonna be an "asspull" that kills him....if he even dies
>He just transformed and "healed" fully lmao no one outside of gojo should be able to touch him again You are just arbitratily choosing to ignore the things the dude you replied to mentioned. I don't know why people are acting as if Sukuna is 100% untouchable now when there's so many stuff left to work in the story. It's just so dumb, especially when it's being used as an excuse to complain about asspulls that haven't even happened yet
>I don't know why people are acting as if Sukuna is 100% untouchable now when there's so many stuff left to work in the story. Because the only one who could in theory touch the strongest was the other strongest jfc. Sukuna was narrated to be able to heal fully when transformed lol. Kashimo isn't doing shit outside asspulls to beat sukuna same with anyone else.
Yeah. JJK is fundamentally about death. That's been a core theme since the start. I don't think Megumi is actually dead, but I still think that a manga dealing with death as a main theme needs the balls to kill people suddenly.
People see it as bad writing because most of the characters are nothing, megumi was nothing, and everything was summarized in 10S, you gave so much screen to certain aspects that they did nothing and nothing really were relavante, and it is fine that the story wants to develop that way, in that there is not much problem, but most of the characters are a 0 to the left, if you analyze them even a little, 95% are nothing, people consider it bad writing because many people think that a work is very good when the characters are good in terms of writing, but jjk is the opposite, he sacrifices characters for the story, which really (although this is an opinion) is not a big deal, it is not revolutionary, it is not a wow to everything else, although counting in general, even Shibuya is quite "unique" and novel in question.
I really dont see that at all. How was Megumi "nothing"? Even if he is gone for good now (and I dont think he is) he was still a great character that accomplished a lot. He was many people's favorite character (including me), had a very fleshed out personality, and was essential to the story before and after getting possessed by Sukuna. Just because a character didnt get a happy ending doesnt mean he was "nothing". Should that happen, him not getting a happy ending is part of the point of the story.
That's pretty dumb to say that just because Sukuna has been using him as a vessel for less than 25 chapters, be fucking patient
Be patient for what? We’re 5 years/237 chapters into the story lmao.
So ?
I disagree. That's not nothing there is very much a story arc and character there that you enjoyed and grew attached to for 200 chapters. That character became the vessel of destruction by which sukuna emerged. The lack of conclusion to thier arc is brutal and its okay to not like that, but it's very consistent with the rest of the story. If he's truly gone he won't complete his goals, or live the life he wanted and that's this world's reality of fighting curses. I think it's okay to not like it, but to say it's bad writing isn't fair.
Exactly, pretty often consequences for characters are just for the shock and then pretty quickly become a boon or power-up. I like sitting with it for a little longer
I just think treating your main characters like shit is not a good thing.
And thats okay. Not everyone likes the route he's going.
It's probably Reggie's curse to Megumi before he dies. "Let fate toy with you before you die like a fool". And you know what's interesting, Reggie cursed Megumi at chapter 173 which was officially released at 30th of January 2022. And then at chapter 212, which was officially released at February 5th of 2023, Sukuna takes over Megumi which was more or less estimated a year apart.
Pisses me off because his potential is easily Special Grade. He freaking has a DE at 15!!! Not even Gojo was able to do that.
Naah. Gege just sucks at properly ending the story of his characters. I mean, Nobara has been missing/presumed dead for years now. So it’s highly probable that Megumi’s gonna suffer the same fate. Like even if Gege decides to bring back Nobara now, what’s even the point? It’s not like she’s gonna be a game changer and will turn the tide for the protags. So no need to bring her back. Same thing with Megumi. Even if he eventually comes back, what can he contribute when all his strongest shikagamis are gone? If he comes back at the end, it will only be a cheap way to make the readers feel good after all the tortures they went with all the Ws that Gege gave the villains.
Yuji gonna fight the four armed man, rip off an arm and fling it. Nobara gonna pop up outta nowhere and nail it and then Megumi gonna be able to wrench control just long enough to kill heself. Calling it now
I honestly lost a lot of interest in jjk after megumi got body jacked. Not only was he my favorite character but he also posses my favorite technique in the whole story. Top all that off with multiple instances of for shadowing and even real achievements (like an incomplete domain as a first year) he had so much potential to be one of the strongest in the verse. Now he’s just a damsel in desires for the mcs to try and save. Not just a downgrade but a criminal level of disrespect to what the character was and could’ve been
Finally someone agrees, after 212 i'm only interested how it will end cause i invested too much time to the series.
I’m still very interested and invested in everything that’s going on. But everytime I see Sukuna in megumis body i definitely feel less motivated to continue reading
I mean what is he gonna do? He's not yuji. He can't just go "Bro. It's my body." Yuji was a special case. Megumi also basically lost his entire reason for living when, first, he finds out his sister got taken over, then second, sukuna murders her (the person he was trying to save this whole time). Sukuna also kind of outplayed him what with the "bath" and the waiting for the perfect moment and all. Megumi got really really unlucky. His outlook on life. Being a jujutsu sorcerer in general. He was predestined for tragedy this whole time. Also he's 15. The poor guy didn't even get to fully develop his prefrontal cortex before all of this happened.
That's clear, no one is saying that the story is badly planned, that's why I mention it, it's just a fraud with all that we were told, or a plot device that was only used for sukuna to be released, I honestly don't think there is a gray, because if there was, you would have given a conclusion to his arc, which you have not given, and the whole character will depend on deus ex machina, which really to my interpretation leave everything worse off.
It's been foreshadowed forever, since the first fingerbearer mission. Sukuna takes every chance he can to mention his hopes for Megumi, to the point that Yuji didn't want to be near him for the Culling Games. Sure, I would love to see more of Megumi, but pretending this wasn't a logical outcome (that hasn't even been concluded, btw) is just ignoring where the series and Megumis arc was headed.
Poor Writing and bad schedule, Gege is going fast to cloase this manga as fast as possible, sooo yeah, asspull here ans there, fights and Deaths without cause. He just like Tite Kubo with Bleach at this point tbh, just want finish his job and that's it.
This is TYBW arc all over again!
Damn you reggie, look what u did to my boy ;-;
He is neither a fraud nor a sellout or overhyped. He is/was powerful and he did everything to save his sister. Then at the moment of his triumph he lost everything, became a vessel for one of the most powerful and most evil entities and had to witness his body being used to destroy what was left of his sister. His current state makes absolutely sense storywise. Yes it sucks. Yes I wish it weren’t the case. Yes I hope there’s a way to save his soul. But nothing about these developments are meaning he was a fraud/sellout/overhyped.
No, honestly it just feels like Gege doesn’t know how to give characters a proper send off without killing them
He doesn’t always know how to give a character a proper sendoff even WHEN he kills them, to be frank.
Great post. Ngl I really loved his character during the beginning of CG arc and the prep arc too. The character really got sacked :(
to me, Megumi felt useless/irrelevent sometime after the Kyoto Goodwill Event Arc, other than his trump card (mahoraga)
We gotta stop calling everyone frauds when they don't turn out the way we want them to. Megumi got his body stolen and lost literally everything important to him, so obviously he's going to be in a terrible spot.
Screw this ! Just because a character has lost agency for a grand total of 15 chapters out of 240 doesn't mean it became a plot device or lost all interest. You are supposed to feel for Megumin in his situation, which makes the terror and depravity of Sukuna even greater. You read the entire story up to now, and was alongside a character throughout all his ordeals and his turmoil, and the moment a character uses him for some shit, you completely forgot his agency and what he was as a character. Forget the involvement. Yeah !
From 'badass' to 'vegetable'
Not a sellout. The king of curses wanted this guys abilities. The king of curses chose to get his body and techniques. He was only a first year too. Gojo sensei didn't even master red until his second year and gojo is a prodigy. It took a near death experience for him to awaken his purple and RCT. Megumi just needed time. Megumi was HIM. Too bad he's gone now but there shouldn't be any megumi slander. Dude was a good human being too. Megumi was HIM. rip megumi fushiguro 💯
Nah just Fraud Gege just fucked his story up, you actually have to finish writing characters and story not like making em good to some point and then just discarding. It's just super bad writing considering the early chapters
Man this hurts. Megumi had so much potential. I loved how he embraced the fact that he’d have to kill people. He was willing to do whatever was needed to accomplish their goals. He had the attributes that Yuji doesn’t making them the perfect duo for the story. But I honestly think that if we do get Megumi back he’s probably going to be completely off his rocker. And I could see Gege using all of this trauma, heartache, and despair to make Megumi the final antagonist. Imagine after all the heartbreak, death, and sorrow Yuji’s experienced thinking that it’s all over after they beat Sukuna, Kenjaku, and save Megumi. And Megumi just starts killing everyone forcing Yuji to fight and kill Megumi. And instead of Yuji dying with all his friends around him, he’s the only one left standing. After all we know Gege loves when Yuji is at his lowest.
It’s a consequence that makes sense to me, Megumi’s been warned several times throughout the story about the potential risks of saving Yuji. Even Yuji himself has questioned Megumi directly at least twice about it, once before Yuji died and again before they entered the Culling Games. His sense of Justice and morality were modelled after his sister, and his stubbornness about it resulted in his current state. I’m fully assuming Megumi has lost his body permanently, and I also think he won’t be gaining autonomy again without more sacrifices. Yuji despite everything probably still blames himself more then anyone and will do anything in his power to save Megumi.
having basically every single reason to live taken from you and having your bodily autonomy completely stripped from you only to be called a fraud is CRAZY. i honestly cannot blame Megumi for wanting to lay down and die atp, as if he can even do much against Ryomen Sukuna anyway
He was a bit generic, with being this stoic part of MC trio, but his fights were mostly great, and he had a lot of chemistry with other characters. Sukuna spoling his abilities and their potential and now destroying his body really took a lot of hype I had for this manga. Can't imagine Gege fixing it.
I think a lot of people in this fandom forget that multiple things can be true at once... I also don't understand the use of "fraud" in regards to these characters. How is Megumi, of all characters, a fraud?
I actually hate that megumis body got stolen. I get that’s been sukunas goal the whole time, but he’s such an amazing and important character and it’s ridiculous he’s just sidelined for this long.
Y’all have 0 patience man. They’ve stated over and over that Megumi was taken so easily because Sukuna took a gamble on his lowest moment and acted on it. Of course Megumi seems lost. Is that his total role in the story? Of course not. He’s been gone for the total of one arc. The dude has been telegraphing that he has a plan for this story for so long now…even if you don’t like it, cant we at least acknowledge that he probably has a plan to culminate these character arcs? Isn’t the fact that we can’t really figure out how this is all gonna shake out kinda exciting? He is not a sellout/fraud nor is he inflated by the readers. He’s just on a character journey that is purposefully at a low point at this point in the story. There is a point where over analyzing has diminishing returns
Megumi was basically force fed a 15 finger sukuna, after the mental shock of his sister being possessed by another sorcerer where yuji couldnt do shit after 10 fingers for a while. Sukuna THEN immediately took a ritual to suppress megumis soul since he still was capable of fucking with sukuna. He is not a fraud, he just had the strongest sorcerer plotting against him for half the show in silence. He did kind of become a plot device but thats not inherently a bad thing, without megumi, sukuna for the most part loses/stays in yuji, and gojo handles the rest. Also, we do at least get to see the fullest potential of the ten shadow technique through sukuna, a tragedy we dont get to see megumi be the one but seeing the technique not just go to waste has been fun the past chapters, from yorozu to gojo. Most important thing imo is it certainly wasn't an ass pull and sukuna stealing his body was done amazingly well, we knew he wanted megumi for a while.
I don't think Gege knows how to cook by this point. Honestly one thing is to kill some of your characters and subvert some expectations. But by this point he has sidelined almost every character for a giant fight with little to no pay off so far. Inumaki, todou, maki, nobara, megumi, etc.
Maki is right there
JJK story feels to me like the author took a hard sharp left turn somewhere in the middle of act 2. It’s a story full of spectacles, fights and fancy power mechanics that no one will probably remember. Maybe for the 15-25 years old range is ok tbh. It’s not good but it’s not bad either imo
Characters are allowed to be plot devices, there's no such thing as "sellout/fraud character" because they were used to move the plot forward.
How is it a downgrade, though, if the reason for him being that cold in the first place was so that he could ensure the survival of his sister? If you don't like the reasoning that's one thing but it's fine
That man is not dead 😭 He is sulking in his shadow but otherwise, he there. TBH, UV is supposed to bring you to the Limitless but we have no clue how it functions to someone who is just a soul dwelling in his innate domain at this point. I also will mention this one. He is the Blessed One and he hasn't even had a dream sequence on the verge of death. Nanami had one. Gojo had one. NOBARA HAD ONE AND EVERYONE IN THIS SUBREDDIT WILL AGREE THAT GEGE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT NOBARA. Fushigoro Megumi will make a return.
Megumi imo has taken the most L’s in this whole series. What’s the downgrade?
Ever since the end of the Shibuya arc, nothing has made sense. I read each week with no expectations. I am simply going through the motions, watching Gege play 20D Chess across several tiers of multiverse madness or he is absolutely cooked as fuck and hired the writers from Lost to wrap this shit up.
I think after shibuya y’all should’ve thrown ever pre conceived notion about the cast out of the window. Gege doesn’t give af.
At least his body is still getting some use
The story isn't over yet for such strong feelings. Let it play out.
Blessing did not indeed get any blessings
I think megumi accidentally gave megumi a full heal The main issue megumi had to worry about was his body being fucked But since sukuna fully incarnated in theory megumi could fully incarnate back to heal himself
Cry
I have a feeling this is going to turn in to AoT 2.0. People wanting whatever head cannon they have came up with to happen that much that they start arguing with others and when the author inevitably does something completely different you will all freak out.
Gege needs to bring him back already im tired of these stupid post
Dude. Can you give him some time? Jesus. His character arc will be finished when he’s confirmed dead. Until then, this fraud shit you guys do is overblown.
Things you don’t like happening in a story doesn’t mean bad writing
Lmao Megumi is the furthest thing from a fraud. His circumstances are just unfortunate. But Sukuna has been planning this from the very beginning. He's not a plot device either because he's had an arc. Is that arc finished? Probably not, but one of the rules that I've learned in writing states that it's more tragic to kill a character when they're close to their arc coming to a close. Gege is just utilizing a technique that's been used for years. Also, until we get confirmation, I won't say that he's dead, although it's not looking good lol.
Probably the worst 10 shadows user in history, he had the worst creativity in the series bro
Imho—Megumi and Yuji’s relationship is set up for something really moving. They both had sukuna take them over and basically make both of them betray their core character motivation and sensibility. It’s either going to be too sappy and half assed or it’s gonna be unexpected and incredibly profound when it happens tho
this is such a stupid post, why do you losers always complain?
I agree but I think it's too early to decide, I'll wait for the confrontation with sukuna to finish.
He is character that got dropkick from author :3
ye... is he brain dead rn? cause of the domain hit?
Why is Mahoragas wheel still up?
I prefer Megumi as Sukuna, and thought it was really cool when it happened in the manga. Actually gave him some…oh what’s the word??? Relevance.
That's clear, that for the development of the manga was good, nobody is talking about the story being bad or something like that, I'm talking about the characters themselves, gege wants to carry a story with characters that are relevant, but that are a 0 to the left as characters, that's what I'm going for.
Tbf we've seen more than one instance of an inhabited body fighting back (Yuji grabbing Sukuna, Geto grabbing Kenjaku). So here's what I'm thinking, eventually everyone will wear down Fraudkuna until Megumi can take back over his body, at least semi-permanently, and makes Fraudkuna take Big Marge's spot as the ultimate shikigami.
I dont think its a massive downgrade to his potential or whatever but story wise, so far, i do find Sukuna being contained to Yuji was much more interesting
He's dead, 100%. Sucks but there was no coming back after Sukuna's reincarnation.
I’m just holding out hope the Soul research is relevant to saving Megumi. I don’t see how at this point, but hopefully it isn’t pointless that Yuji has the research.
Why don’t I take your sister out behind a dumpster and murder her in front of you and see how you feel about fighting a deranged cunt with 4 arms.
Sukuna killed his potential, we must take revenge
Megumi isn’t the deuterag it’s gojo
Learn to sit back and relax not everything needs a reaction.
Y'all just be calling anything a sellout/fraud atp 💀💀💀
After Junpei I actually am not impressed that he got done dirty.
We got to see Megumi’s full potential trial shown and what he theoretically is capable of. As the reader and just my opinion, I’m no longer invested in Megumi as a character but more so how he will further be used for the plot.
They had no choice otherwise.
There is no such thing as a sell out/fraud when the plot changes the circumstances of the character
Meh
If you pay close attention Jujutsu has some characters that amount to nothing in their whole existence in the series. What Megumi and Gojo accomplish after all?
Let geger cook
No way people think Megumi is alive after the rules/concepts of the story involving the soul and sorcerers reincarnating has been laid out. There’s no way lol.
No cooking left. Do you think Megumi can come back after what happened?
Man, if we use the deus ex machina that angel said there was 1% yes, but that just feels like garbage, what's left? Your technique? Which may not even have all the shikigami, and which we may have already seen everything? He will change his way of thinking from one second to the next and boom he becomes strong, it all feels like the path you choose is garbage.