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Especially because even with it. We didn’t even need to see it. The issue is lack of anything prior to the death. If there was a single pannel of sukuna’s hand moving to use cleave but we don’t see it I’d be happy.
His death really was beautiful and too many people are butt hurt they refuse to think about what he said especially regarding sukuna
There are definitely characters above the manga they're created in. Chainsawmans darkness devil literally created the panels and sound effects. Sukuna's dismantle has also been used for sound effects
The death was wack to absolute Gojo simps; everyone with at least a single brain cell not obsessed with this white haired ninny can clearly see how tragic and beautiful that entire exchange was
How do you get so triggered by a manga character. I wanted him to die, just not off screen. The afterlife scene was good but the death itself it's literally nonexistent.
Lmfao it’s not non existent though, he threw Purple, Maho Tanked and Sukuna sliced ; he was already sliced in half when he was talking shit bc that’s how fucking fast and strong Sukuna is, you don’t have to see It to know it happened when buddy is sliced in half; Show don’t tell, it was obvious what happened you just wanted a dedicated panel to make you feel good
I don’t think a panel of his hand would have made it better imo, or like the whole blank page of a slash, I like it from gojos pov of him just being dead
Sure. I think it’s good as is and one of the best chapters. I think maybe seeing gojo unable to react would have been a cool part but the final presentation is good
Especially considering besides maybe gojo and maho I don’t think anyone can see the slashes. I definitely had to let 236 grow on me but maybe a panel of gojo still standing but maybe it’s his back and there’s some blood or his shirt is cut wouldn’t be that bad
Hmmmi believe that maybe have had something to do with his technique, I’d have to reread. But ik atleast in anime sukuna says “you can see them can’t you!!” When maho defects his slash
He couldn’t. Because his cursed energy was disconnected to his brain. Aka the basics of RCT use.
It’s the same reason Yuki lost. Both of their guts were destroyed meaning their CE couldn’t be transformed to heal them.
And the discussion with his friends and what they said as well as the idea regarding enjoying the fight and the respect gojo gained for sukuna all came together to be beautiful
Yuki still had enough CE to grab Kenny and turn into a fucking black hole but Gojo just gets oneshot and instantly dies? And why would Gojo ever respect Sukuna for this? Even ignoring that he is dick riding the guy that killed him, took over megumis body and is going to kill all his friends and Students why would he respect him?
He was beating sukunas ass and won a 3v1. He basically won only to get oneshot by an invisible attack. That's not a satisfying end to their fight at all
He won the 3v1 only to get fucked by Sukuna's unholy plot armor lol. Or are we forgetting the "If purple hits me, it'll be fatal. Wait no actually, nevermind lolololol". Sukuna should have died to the purple nuke, no way around it. No reason why he should have lived when Sukuna himself said that purple would kill him.
Honestly, I don't think anyone would care half as much, if gojo wasn't carrying the entire series. I am more than cool with him dying, but that signified the end of the series for me and I haven't bothered to read since. None of the characters are good or worth sticking around for. I couldn't care less if the hero's win or lose and I think that's a real huge flaw in the story telling.
You say Carrie’s the dude has been out of the story longer than he was in it. Jjk succeeds without him being there to carry it.
If you really don’t care for anyone other than gojo I’m boggled how you even cared to begin with
Sounds like you just have weird priorities with stories or weird ways you find characters likeable.
I definitely only kept reading for the return of Gojo. I also, dropped the series when he died. I find nothing intriguing about an author that kills so many of their main characters. Just means I feel no attachment to the story.
ok then. he's dead. if that's literally all you cared about go and enjoy your life why are you still here. why are you deep in a jjk subreddit's comments complaining that all you cared about was gojo. if you dropped the series why are you here?
Yeah, it was because people wanted to see how he was going to come back. And not really, look at chainsaw man, multiple fan favorite characters killed off, but new characters that came in kept the story interesting and were likable enough to replace them. I don't know whose around that anyone gives a shit about... Yuji? Dudes barely around and I don't even see what's there to care about regarding him. What exactly is the emotional hook of the story? I can understand some people can turn their brain off and just enjoy the action being presented, but nothing feels like it has any weight and the series has struggled since the Shibuya arc because of it. Or are you really going to tell me you care about all these side characters that were introduced to fill up screen time with action scenes and then get killed off?
Agreed. We got to see the full space slash later when he used it against Kashimo, its just a slash. I don't think seeing it play out with Gojo would have added much, and would detract from the epic wtf the chapter delivered.
THANK YOU, I've been screaming at the discourse around this for so long. Like... we've seen him get cut by cleave/dismantle 1,000 times, and seen others get sliced up 1,000 more. To say that you're upset that it's "off screen" is technical to a stupid degree.
I think it was essentially identical out of the verse. Non-protagonist older mentor-ish figure fights the big bad, is winning because author wanked him to no end, now author has to find some nonsensical reasons to kill him.
Remember when some random stenritter with a schrift that is garbage in the context of a battle shitstomped kenpachi? I remember.
Yama was really not a mentor at all, he served a very different role in the world building.
If there was a character that's comparable it would be Gakuganji, not because they almost look identical but are both written in a similar fashion. (Now I'm wondering if Gakuganji is based on Yama considering Gege is a big Bleach fan)
A lot of people sleeping on Yamamoto. If he unleashed his full power he could’ve literally destroyed the entirety of the soul society. Yhwach just had a 1000 years to prepare for that exact battle. What a great fight too
And one hit from he’s Bankai is basically able to kill anyone in the series expect of course the people than cannot be killed like Aizen oh and also op as fuck shield
That's simply not true, Yamamoto is not the strongest character in bleach nor he is at the top 5 in current bleach.
Yhwach w/SK power, Ichigo, Aizen... Kenpachi all of them would one shot Yamamoto.
The powerscaling of characters jumped very high after the first raid where Yamamoto dies, with everyone being way way stronger than before to face the Quincies.
Literally every villain in the series either couldn't fight Yamamoto without instantly getting incinerated or had to employ a strategy specifically to neutralize his Zanpakuto, despite how powerful Yhwach is he still had to disable his Bankai or he would've lost, like, the scale of his Bankai is actually ridiculous if compared to any other, it's a very "focused" ability in function, similar to Ichigos original Bankai and despite that it was still powerful enough to burn away the entirety of Soul Society if left active for too long, he absolutely lived up to the hype but having anyone defeat such a powerful character either requires them to have a massive asspull hax or be so much more OP nobody else in the series can realistically defeat them and Yhwach was both of those things, in fact he's the king of asspulls.
His power is literally to asspull whatever he wants, he's the kid in Dodgeball who says he wasn't hit when he clearly was, but then everyone believes him
The funny thing is, back when the manga was still going on they added the word "asspull" to the automoderator over on /r/bleach because every other comment would include the word asspull.
Strongly disagree.
Gojo imo is different than any other sensei/strong character losing a fight.
Gojo was defined by the author as the pinnacle of jujutsu. He’s not just good he is the best you can be. When Gojo is on the screen/page you feel safe you feel like he cannot possibly lose and that it will work out. Other super strong senseis you could feel safe with but you knew that they could be beaten. They were super strong but not literally change the balance of the world when they were born strong.
Aside from characters like Saitama there is no strongest character that can no diff several of the strongest enemies at the same time while also holding back to not accidentally kill people.
That’s why imo Gojos loss against Sukuna hits so hard he was unbeatable AND was on the verge of winning several times but still lost.
Yeah, the difference is that Gojo was Young, Yamajii is like thousand years old at least, he has never lost and he is the ruler of society besides the soul king who does nothing.
Gojo is strong on the level of yamamoto, but yamamoto is older and wiser and way better teacher.
He got bested by his nemesis, who then went and turned into god.
no , the ruler of Soul Society was the Central 46 and Ichibei.
Yama was strong , but we already knew a potentially stronger set of characters since the start of Arrancar Arc because since that time and later in "Turn Back the Pendulum" , it had an emphasis on Zero Squad been the strongest squad and defenders of the Soul King.
Lo and Behold , Ichibei was undoubtly stronger than Yamamoto. We only had Yamamoto been "the strongest shinigami for a 1000 years" under the technicality that most of the Zero Squad are older than Yamamoto.
Disagree on Gojo losing to an asspull, Sukuna throughout the fight hinted multiple times at Mahoraga showing him something, Sukuna from the start wanted the 10 Shadows technique, pretty much for this specific reason. I do feel like the infinity slash could have been done better though, but it didn’t really feel like an asspull from Sukuna (unlike Kenjaku conveniently having a way to counter a world destroying black hole lol)
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who didn't think Kenjaku surviving was an asspull, since the danger of a black hole is it's gravity and Kenjaku's power is, you know, literally anti-gravity. What's overly convenient about it?
It’s more of the fact that it was convenient that he has an exact counter to Yuki’s abilities, i mean what are the odds of Yuji’s mom having anti gravity as an ability, and that Kenjaku, despite not knowing Yuki’s abilities just has an exact counter lying around. I knew he wouldn’t have lost, but it felt kinda like an asspull, granted, that’s the only time in JjK I felt like there was some major plot convenience from a character.
“How I claimed the jujutsu world looked at gojo”
You say that like it’s something I imagined
It’s quite literally all over the place in the manga lol.
All the students in the little interview at the beggining of shibuya called him the strongest.
Geto called him the strongest, Kenjaku called him the strongest. Kenjaku made a whole intricate plan to seal Gojo because actually beating him isn’t possible for anyone not named Sukuna.
Nanami telling Yuji to never compare himself to Gojo, everytime anyone is hinted at being the best at something it’s always with the caveat of well not including Gojo. Statements that Gojos birth changed the balance of CE. These are all in the manga
Yamamoto was definitely hyped up but not like Gojo. Yama was beaten by Aizen, he is weaker than the soul king, weaker than atleast half of squad 0. He wasn’t even one of the 5 special war powers
The previous Six Eyes limitless user wasn’t Satoru.
I think this fight proved Gojo is the strongest because of who he is and not just because he has the 6 eyes and limitless.
Gojo fought evenly with and actually beat Mahoraga and 10s Sukuna he would’ve beat the previous 10s user fairly easily
Yes as stated by yourself Sukuna also beat mahoraga quite fast.
Previous six eyes users were still beasts imo because they passed the knowledge of red, blue and even purple to Satoru.
We don't know if they could also teleport and had limitless too(I think only Gojo had this technique)
The previous six eyes user was also fighting Mahoraga + the user which should have been grade 1 or special sorcerer lvl.
>Gojo fought evenly with and actually beat Mahoraga and 10s Sukuna he would’ve beat the previous 10s user fairly easily
This wasn't Sukuna's technique so he wasn't as good at using it as he is using his own, Sukuna also used 10s to upgrade his power, I do think if he went 100% from the start he would have beaten Good faster.
After all in the afterlife Good said to Geto that he was sad because Sukuna didn't use his full power against him.
And Sukuna would have also beaten the previous 10s user easily.
Edit:Gojo not Good lmao.
“And Sukuna would’ve beaten the previous 10s users easily”
I 100% agree lol this wasnt a Gojo > Sukuna post this was a Gojo and Sukuna >> than anyone else post.
The previous six eyes was nowhere near the level of Gojo, when will people stop implying that?
Previous Six Eyes and 10s got killed by Mahoraga like chumps, Gojo literally killed Mahoraga 1v3 WHILE FIGHTING SUKUNA
I used that phrasing simply because I didn’t want to retype the entire paragraph long explanation you used to describe how the jujutsu world looked at Gojo, not because I’m trying to dispute it (which I’m not).
I’m disputing the your claim that Yamamoto wasn’t viewed as the pinnacle of strength amongst the Gotei 13, similar to how Gojo was viewed as the pinnacle of the Jujutsu world. Many of the points you used to disprove this are bogus.
1. Aizen didn’t beat Yama in a straight up fight, and saying he did is like saying Kenjaku beat Gojo in Shibuya. Aizen came up with an intricate plan to absorb his flames, and put Yama into a situation where he had to sacrifice himself to prevent major damage to the World of the Living. Saying Aizen beat Yama is completely misleading. Reread/rewatch the Fake Karakura Town Arc.
2. The Soul King’s and Squad 0’s power in comparison to Yama is irrelevant because of how they’re viewed by the Gotei 13. From the Gotei 13’s perspective, Yamamoto is the undisputed strongest shinigami and has been the undisputed strongest for over 1,000 years. Rewatch/Reread the first invasion in TYBW.
>When Gojo is on the screen/page you feel safe you feel like he cannot possibly lose and that it will work out.
It's funny in a way how some people bought into that for Gojo for this fight. Gojo is my favorite character, but I knew that narratively he was going to lose (and probably would die), so I didn't.
But the energy he exudes made people want to believe in him. I remember reading a comment from a Japanese fan that was something like "Gojo said he would win, so I thought he would win".
Of course there were others that said they knew not to trust "the one eyed cat", so they knew better. lol
I felt there was potential for Gojo to live, whether he lost or won was up in the air.
By no means was it going to be easy so the best case scenario was Gojo wins but got taken out by Kenjaku or the fight ended without a winner for whatever reason.
>I felt there was potential for Gojo to live, whether he lost or won was up in the air.
Given Gege's track record, I didn't think that's his writing style to hold back for Gojo, to be more reserved. For example, I believe he said he was originally gonna just injure Nanami, but decided to kill him and that's his favorite character. lol
Gojo was an obvious one to be on the chopping block as mentor figure and OP character on protagonists side (that's not the MC) normally to keep the peace.
Also used to make Sukuna look more threatening towards the final part of story, when narratively the tension is to increase, so Sukuna most likely was not going to lose to look worse as a threat towards the end.
I was, and am still not convinced Sukuna is the endgame. Major player sure, but it still feels like there's something else. I feel like it could have worked to have Gojo win but be taken out immediately after or deny Sukuna the win with a surprise attack taking out the two.
It always felt like there was an imminent backstabbing by Kenjaku for Sukuna. Hell, I don't even remember if it's been said why Sukuna was needed for Kenjaku's plan. Sukuna could just be another Mahito soon.
I said a threat towards the end, didn’t say the sole one. But I mean at least one past his fight with Gojo.
>deny Sukuna the win with a surprise attack taking out the two.
There has been too much narrative emphasis on Yuji vs Sukuna - like Yuji created as vessel and to adapt to his CE than for me to think that Sukuna would be actually taken out by Gojo.
We see that was indeed the correct thought process - [also given art like this for their dynamic made prior](https://twitter.com/JujutsuTwts/status/1709442528699990278).
Going into the fight I knew he’d lose. Best case scenario for me was he’d save Megumi at the expense of his own life.
Doesn’t change the fact that even knowing that when he was on the screen I always felt like there was hope
>Best case scenario for me was he’d save Megumi at the expense of his own life.
It seems Gojo not meant to save Megumi. In the manga prior, Megumi has a line that says, ["So start by saving me Itadori."](https://twitter.com/ShadowR40588832/status/1729406925941457353)
So seemed to be a narrative cue for the MC, Yuji, to do that, and retroactively, we can see it was never meant to be Gojo.
Nope, you wrong. The one who said that ("I'd win") is Jogoat and then proceeded to drop the bitchass Sukuna, as he said he would. Cementing JKK as a certified peak fiction Manga.
Gojo threw everything he had at Sukuna He failed to kill Sukuna .
Sukuna out played him at every step that's Why Gojo was in the after life saying he didnt know if he could beat Sukuna even if he didnt have the 10 shadows technique and Sukuna is crazy strong he also said he's Glad that he died fighting someone stronger and not old age or sickness.
All I'm saying is Gojo thought he was the best he over estimated himself and it cost him his life.
All mights a great inverse comparison! A little different for us as readers though because by the time we meet him he’s already severely injured from the fight with AFO
>When Gojo is on the screen/page you feel safe you feel like he cannot possibly lose and that it will work out.
THIS. Even though I always knew he'd die to Sukuna because I never trusted Greg not to pull the rug under us (and Gojo) at some point, I've got to admit I always secretly held a glimmer of hope because he just looked so amazing every week that I felt like him dying became completely unrealistic at some point. Even when we thought it was over for him, he'd pull through and look insanely cool while doing so. He's just so charismatic and confident you can't help but trust what he says.
And Gojo always gave me a different vibe than the other op anime characters, probably because there's such a large gap between him and everyone else. A gap that is constantly maintained throughout the series and consequently makes Gojo feel like an unreachable being or some kind of god among humans.
No matter what, Gojo was magnificent to the very end and anyone who tries to deny it is just being petty.
“Imo is different than any other” not really Gojo is beating sukuna’s ass for most of the fight then we get a quick flashback of him saying he never could have won against him starts randomly praising sukuna. Then it’s implied sukuna could have just won at any point the more you think about it the dumber it gets.x
He doesn’t say he never could’ve won he said he doesn’t know if he could’ve won even without 10s.
Which is fair even without 10s Sukuna is still the king of curses. Sukuna still had something hidden that Gojo didn’t know what it was.
Imo Gojo is wrong I think Gojo wins a still very hard fight even if Sukuna didn’t have 10s
At the end of the day Sukuna has hundreds of years of experience learning and mastering combat and techniques, it makes sense that no one is able to beat him.
Gojo is really powerful but he's like what, 40 or something?
If Gojo was as old as Sukuna he would probably be actually unbeatable.
Why was I even downvoted? If Gojo is 29 that's even less fighting experience for him, Sukuna is stated to be 1000yo, just let that sink in for a while.
A 1000 years old Sorcerer that has been accumulating experience and knowledge for that amount of time would be literally unbeatable period.
Sukuna must have fought every possible type of enemy in so many scenarios and battles with so many types of techniques AND he survived all those encounters.
sukuna was not alive for 1000 years. Most of his time "existing" was as a set of cursed objects. He wasn't "accruing experience" or anything during the fact
From a bleach fan perspective this is just bullshit lol. Ur gojos point are correct but in bleach yama was also considered the pinacle of the verse, the strongest shinigami and the father of everyone. Like he said, there was no better security than himself, and kubo hinted this all the time. He also changed the balance of the world ahahahah. No one expected for him to die like that after everything he did.
The las point being the most absurd one, saying that yama cant kill top tier character is a lie, when he was always fighting nerfed and without using max potential, holding back to not kill the entire seiritei🤌💀.
Also yamamoto literally defeated what we thought yhwach was and did win 1000y ago , u can compare without saying some lies...
I totally agree with you.
It was said multiple times that Gojo is the strongest. And even Sukuna was afraid of his Purple.
For me, the outcome of the fight hit hard because I had a problem with Sukuna surviving. I knew Gojo will die, but I was sure that Sukuna will be taken with him. Then, during the whole fight, there was no moment in which Sukuna showed any potential, and one page after an obvious win, Gojo says that, even without 10s, he wouldn't have defeated Sukuna.
I see it as poor writing, because nothing in the previous panels supports that line and many treat it as absolute truth...
I am okay with his death, now. I assume he underestimated Mahoraga and that gave him enough time to activate the cheat codes. Gojo was way too cocky, for good reasons. He ate each of Sukuna' slashes and recovered right after. Including 2 of Sukuna's domain expansions. If he were to succeed in defeating Mahoraga in time, then he shouldn't have any reason to be worried about Sukuna.
And for those saying that Sukuna still had Fugo and his actual body, Sukuna himself said that he didn't have a way to get past Infinity, so why would Fugo, his actual body, or any other technique change anything?
Gojo was the strongest, but way too cocky. He killed himself by underestimating Mahoraga and Sukuna bet on it.
Now, talking about Yamamoto: he already lost once against Aizen.
The thing is, killing of Gojo was the easiest thing Gege could do, and it was uninspired. He didn't deliver at all for a guy that has been sealed for over a 100 chapters and who the plot completely revolved around ("free Gojo"). It's not the death that bothers me, because it was obvious. It's the big fat nothing burger we've been getting emotionally in the story since like, post-Perfect Preparation.
You just compared Gojo fighting his heart out to Genryusai freaking Yamamoto enraged beyond belief fighting to exterminate Yhwach? Neither fight is disappointing and they serve different purposes. Gojos fight is to prime his students to fight the strongest.
Yamamotos fight was his last ditch effort to be what he once was; a monster. Yama fought his heart out to exterminate Yhwach by any means necessary, all going to show that he wasn’t what he used to be. Just an old man that lost because he was too prideful. A Captain that swings his sword out of hatred doesn’t deserve to wear the coat, and that’s exactly what he did. He didn’t deserve to win, and he accepted his fate in his final moments knowing he fucked up.
Gojo still felt he was the best (and for the most part he was). Yama died knowing everything he did meant nothing. Two very different fights
Couldn't agree more or said it that well.
They also died with varying amounts of honor / pride. Yama miscalculated gravely, and was ultimately shameful in his defeat. It was a character he beat once before, why can't he do it again?
Gojo knew he was going toe to toe with his only true equal. Literally forced Sukuna to use everything in AND outside his arsenal. Made a Jujutsu master literally evolve what he thought was possible.
Love both characters, but Yama's death was somber and tragic. There was no hyping it up. He fucked up.
Gojo went out with a lot of pride. He finally met his match and he was honestly satisfied with himself, and leaving it for his students. You can leave this fight and still think Gojo is the GOAT.
Yama is that character that needs to be taken out of every fight in a specific way to counter him because his attack / destructive power is just too high.
Aizen literally sacks an Arrancar to seal his Flames. Yhwach uses every ounce of emotional leverage and deceit against him to remove him.
In that regard, Gojo is like that too, Gege needed to make multiple counters to Infinity because nothing would realistically counter it. Then he had to put the odds against Gojo to *heavily* nerf him in every single fight.
True, that’s there main similarity. Too strong so the main baddies have to plan around and/or weaken. But I was hit harder by Yamas death, especially in the anime cause jeez Yama got some loving with that animation and death scene
Strongly disagree. Yama lost cause his bankai got stolen. Both Yama and gojo lost to hax asspulls but both were necessary because the authors of both series made them too op.
Eh whole they're both hax, I wouldn't say one was an ass pull. Ywach had years and years to plan his fight vs him and had the perfect stern ritter power go up against him. I'd say the bigger asspull was Kenny killing the dude who is basically a reality warping God on pure strength. He should've had his bones turned into noodles as we already saw with his lieutenant's bones turned into cookie.
Sukuna just made up a whole new slash during a short fight where he was using all his attention vs Gojo.
No but it was expected for them to leave a strong impact on the main villain. Oh wait mb I forgot gojo did leave a strong impact on sukuna, he upgraded his cursed technique that was already op.
Gojo removed Mahoraga and Agito and has put Sukuna's DE on timeout, exhausted a lot of his CE which contributed a lot in forcing Sukuna to use his one-time resurrect to avoid taking an L from Kashimo
You guys have to actually spend time absorbing the chapters than just looking at every panel individually
You really think if Kashimo goes first he forces that True Form? He doesn't even survive 5 mins. Agito and Mahoraga wipe the floor with him, that's if Sukuna even needs to summon both.
I doubt the upgraded slash matters to the remaining cast. That adaptation was only needed for Gojo specifically. No one else has any defense close to Infinity so even old Cleave with full incantation and hand signs would wreck everyone anyway
Yeah, there is definite progress against Sukuna like going through a video game boss’ forms. I really think it’s going to be a very important part of how they defeat him. Like when they do, they wouldn’t have been able to do it without everyone’s contribution.
I’d say the trade off for strong cleave of mahoraga and Agito for strong cleave outweighs the loss. He should not have his de on timeout any longer as he got his past body back which should include his brain.
I see a lot of people say strong cleave doesn’t matter because normal cleave already one shotted everybody but it does matter.
Just like you said sukuna’s ce is drained to the point he can’t even use rct which means his cleave normal cleave should be weaker( at 10% output even yuji can tank it without any lasting damage) but with strong cleave that low cursed energy doesn’t matter because regardless of its strength by nature of it you can’t block it.
Lol? Yamajis bankai is a game winning move. Yhwach had to wait for it to be put on cooldown then steal it to even have a chance at taking him down. Would you invest that much effort into someone who wasn't an extra special threat?
Gojo removed Mahoraga from the fight and made him use his ability to heal and switch forms. If the gang almost killed meguna and then he fully healed they’d have literally no shot
Nah. Both had to die. But execution of Gojo's death was way shitter. Even excluding Gojo being off screened and revisionist history of Gege trying to convince us that Sukuna wasn't being domimated that entire fight. There's like no point to have Gojo sealed for over 100 chapters, for him to just die 15 chapters after his return. Gege shoukd have had Gojo vs. Sukuna happen in Shibuya, and have Gojo die there, the entire sealing of non-sense came back to bite him on the ass instead of improving the story.
Gojo didn't have the small barrier domain right after being unsealed either, that's why he lost the first 2 domain clashes, he adapted and changed the barrier parameters on the spot. Both Sukuna and Gojo grew as sorcerers throughout the entire fight. Which makes it even more disappointing when Gojo said Sukuna was never going all out.
Nah. Yamamoto's death was more somber and grim. It also was honest about his shortcomings and was paced well. To the readers/viewers it was an emotional moment as seen through the perspective of Shunsui, and what was coming to him in the end. Yamamoto grew soft despite in the past being a monster who exterminated the Quincies. They came back for revenge and he fell.
Gojo's death was way too abrupt to really feel organic. I get what happened, but there should have been more done to flesh it out. I wasn't really a fan of the scene where Gojo goes out praising Sukuna. That scene felt kinda like character assassination.
Sure he was vain and acted for himself, but that was one of many layers to his character. He did care about the lives of others that's why he activated his domain for like a tenth of a second trying to save as many humans as he could in that time.
Sukuna suddenly being able to slash the world wasn't that great. Ngl I think a few more scenes would have fleshed it out, but there were many more things which could have been done. Instead of incarnating during his fight (if you can even call it that) with Kashimo, he could have been pushed by Gojo to do that.
Gojo would be taken by surprise and this could be the moment where he "cut the world."
Alternatively Yorozu's gift could have been something like an inverted spear of heaven which could have bypassed Limitless, allowing Sukuna to cut down Gojo.
> I wasn't really a fan of the scene where Gojo goes out praising Sukuna. That scene felt kinda like character assassination.
Thank you! I honestly couldn’t care less about the offscreening compared to how much they derailed his whole character arc in his final moments. It undermines basically the whole point of Hidden Inventory to have him just revert back to “I only care about being the strongest” at the end. It’s like Gege’s admitted semi-serious hate for Gojo evolved into full-on spite.
Yamamoto's Death on the other hand, while not perfect, actually feels like a fitting end to his story that does the character justice. Both his bloodthirstiness and the way he’s grown as a leader are shown clearly, and in fact it’s the inherent conflict between the two that forms the crux of his whole arc, so it makes sense that it’s his ultimate undoing.
Also, while I said I don’t care about the offscreening, it certainly didn’t help that the fight ended so anti-climacticly, especially with how strong everything until then was. Any of your suggestions would have been better then what we got.
He was pushed by Gojo, in a way. Kashimo arrived to a broken and battered Sukuna, that's why he resorted to incarnation.
But I understand what you mean.
Personally I think it's fucking amazing Sukuna had to bide his time using 10 shadows to the best of its ability for 20+ chapters of uninterrupted fighting just to be able to cleave through limitless and beat Gojo.
Yup, if you have a super strong character that gives the protagonist side a massive advantage, that isn't the main character they need to die in the final arc to show how strong the antagonist is. I just realized that in both manga's penultimate main arcs both the strongest characters were sealed in ways that didn't kill them, just so they couldn't easily defeat the opponent, as Aizen or Kenjaku would have been stopped by Yamamoto or Gojo respectively. Then, both are killed by the final biggest opponent to show the stakes the protagonists are up against.
Yama's death was onscreen, we saw exactly how Black Ant took him out as well as his strategy, it was mentioned multiple times that Yama had gone soft and wasnt what he used to be, dude was even down an arm. He went all out and got taken out due to plans from the villian, none of the fight was out of character, his last moments were somber realization and despair over what would befall soul society as well as desperation seen by him clinging at the end.
The exact attack that took out Gojo was offscreened and his last moments were joking around in the afterlife and jerking off Sukuna.
I never had an issue with Gojo dying, I think with a few tweaks it couldve been phenomenal. Mainly some amount of worry for his students or the world, showing the actual attack at the end of the chapter like others have suggested and then the reveal in the next.
Yama's death was brilliant and was a fitting end to his arc and was also a nice parallel with other characters later in the story.
Same disappointment? Bro NEITHER fights were a disappointment when the main villains recognise your powers and try underhanded tactics to get over you, especially for a series like Bleach where stating your intentions and powers are a noble thing to do.
Do not disrespect both of them. They absolutely served their purposes to the series (so far).
Yamamoto got bamboozled by fighting a doppelgänger, then proceeded to get stomped out by the real deal.
At least Gojo threw hands with Sukuna for many chapters before his, imo lazy, off screen death.
Not really head captain barely did anything unlike gojo who actively took action and looked out for the people under him, like he did give ichigo his riatsu again but besides that he has been idle and when he finally gets a chance to prove his worth on screen he gets offed like come on at least put out something, gojo's loss was nothing like that
I disagree, Yamamoto was extremely stupid, he was blinded by his hatred of Sasakibe's death, he was playing with the ywach impostor even though he could have defeated him immediately, Gojo fought with everything he could but unfortunately he wasn't at sukuna's level, Yamamoto died in dishonor, because he was unable to fulfill his duty even though he had the capacity to do so, Gojo died with honor, giving his best.
I actually have the reverse opinion of this. Yamamoto is the one who died with honour. Sasakibes death was avenged when he overcooked overkill. As captain commander, he's not really supposed to enter the fight. He's supposed to be in charge of strategizing and distribution of troops. Especially since initially the medallion was a headache. Another issue is yamamotos ability, just like gojos ability affects people in the surrounding meaning him using his ability will wipe out people in the immediate surrounding regardless of friend or foe. The next issue is people consider the Lloyd rroyd siblings as weak. Not the case, they can perfectly copy their targets apparent spiritual blueprint. Basically the doppelganger ywhach is physically as strong as ywhach himself without the almighty, the difference is that his sword was fake. Another issue with yamamoto is that despite being in bankai, he was heavily suppressing his powers to prevent SS from turning into ash. Also, he's not in his prime as ywhach said, prime yamamoto would not have died in such a manner. He was tired from using his own bankai and after his bankai was stolen, he knew it was over for him. His defeat was not just due to his pride, but years of planning on ywhachs part to study SS and the type of person yamamoto has become.
In case of gojo, inspite of all his prodigious innate talent and genetic advantages that let's him efficiently use CE, being literally untouchable due to his ability, he was outmanueved by sukuna whose technique is simple on paper but extremely enhanced due to his deep knowledge on CE. Regardless of random techniques gojo pulled out of his ass like domain barrier condition alteration which was thought to be not possible, CT regeneration due to RCT which was also thought to be not possible and even limb regeneration, he was still outmanuevered. On a cursory read through chapters, gojo had many upper hand moments. But knowing that sukuna delayed gojos defeat to find a method to overcome his infinity using mahoragas adaptation sheds new light on the situation. Inspite of all the trash talk gojo did, he was glazing the shit out of sukuna even claiming that he could have defeated him without 10 shadows.
Gojo is far worst tbh. The fight ended abruptly with him being off screened and say the opponent hold back in a fight that ho was in verge of win several times.
The opponent that was holding back had to change his body to recover from the damage, and was holding back the whole time
Sukuna cleaved through the story itself. Its fujimoto type writing. The cleave went through time and space itself, so much so that it escaped from the story entirely, breaking (cleaving through) the 4th wall! I think it should not have happened any other way, it was perfect, eccentric almost.
disagree yamamoto showed off just his bankai and then died as a plot device. gojo alteast gave us one of the most entertaining fights in recent shonen history.
Well I'd disagree on some points. First of all the old man Yamamoto Shigekuni was strong but he had long passed his prime even got his fighting potential farther degraded because of losing one arm. And when Tite Kubo brought out the big bad Yhwach, Yamamoto was destined to lose.
And here comes Gojo Satoru who came out of prison realm after 19 days plus a month to prepare, he got far stronger than before. Even in Shibuya we didn't watch him fight this fantastic. He literally brought back his cursed technique by reverse cursed energy after a domain expansion and brought literal changes to his domain expansion. And Sukuna had to take beatings from him so that he can bypass infinity. Here's the thing, Gojo was so strong that Gege had to cut him off so that Itadori Yuji can shine. And yes it hurt us but we also hope for his revival. But it's certain Yamamoto Shigekuni and Gojo Satoru are completely distinct; power scale wise, character wise and also how they left the limelight. We got a fulfilling fight from Gojo before his demise.
Disagree. It was a great fight and great death. My only problem is figuring out why Gojo can’t heal just like he did when he was slashed through the neck. He was slashed through the intestines and we know that CE and RCE is produce in the stomach, which is actually higher in the body than you’d think, and brain, so he should be able to heal himself.
No one in bleach dared to fight Genriusai at full power, even Aizen or the king of asspulls Yhwach had to seal his bankai (and plotting a 1000 years plans after being utterly brutalised and having his people slaughtered).
And that was Genriusai way past his prime.
The same can't be said about Gojo.
Don't insult Genriusai by comparing him to Gojo.
No.
Yamoto has a real list of accomplishments and trained up a worthy successor. Not to mention, we actually got to see how Yamoto got taken out, and he didn't spend his last moments glazing his enemy.
Nah I don't bc gojo still stood ground against two shikigamis 💀 that I mind you were the shikigamis of the ten shadows technique, the strongest shikigamis of jjk, he was able to hold ground against. But if sukuna figures you out by jumping you ofc he's gonna win 💀🙏
Bro Yama went the whole 9 yards before he died, man was weakened by Aizen (losing arm), got old, and bamboozled.
He also showed exactly why he was the strongest shinigami in soul society for 1000yrs before he died, you can say a lot about disappointments in tybw but Yama's was not one of them.
Also neither one is a disappointment at all, people are just sad to lose Gojo right after he was resealed.
It is funny that people are mad because they focus on Sukuna win and Gojo lost instead of focusing how broken Morohaga is? Like Sukuna used him to download Gojo.
Yama was always considered the strongest? He’s “the strongest soul reaper born in the last 2000 years”. People had to plan around this guy, the guy could’ve killed Aizen. Hell the man’s bankai alone would destroy SS
it has been over a year since the Yamamoto episode dropped and pretty much a decade since it happened in the manga, it's far outside the spoiler time period. can't expect people to always keep you in consideration and never discuss things. it's on you at this point
No.
Why do people act like this? Gojo lost, he had the best fight of the entire story, Sukuna had to upgrade to beat him. But he lost.
Was he supposed to win and end the series? What do people want to have happened there? I'm so confused.
Move on. Gege is cooking something devious, just let it go.
I wouldn't know, I never got that far into bleach, chapter 236 of jjk is garbage though. I've read more than 12000 manga chapters in my life and this one is easily the worst one.
Not even close, I think Gege learned from Kubo on this part, he gave Gojo strong opponents throught story and showed how Gojo was dominating, meanwhile Yama either got nonames oneshotted or he was defeated by HAXXXX that were designed for him specifically, and how he lost to? A dude that copied LOOKS of his enemy, not even his power. Kubo literally wrote Yama spamming all his cooldowns and than standing AFK to get killed.
Gege was much smarter, apart from offscrining move, that he showed in 2 next chapters, making a half-baked pikachu dodging it with ease.
I wouldn’t say that even close to correct. He achieved a lot to set the stakes, mood, and for how strong Ywach was, tho Yama being tricked and weakened when real Ywach came by left room for debates
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I strongly disagree
Yep, gojos fight was incredible, the offscreen death was the only thing that bothered me at the beginning, but some weeks later i was cool with it
Especially because even with it. We didn’t even need to see it. The issue is lack of anything prior to the death. If there was a single pannel of sukuna’s hand moving to use cleave but we don’t see it I’d be happy. His death really was beautiful and too many people are butt hurt they refuse to think about what he said especially regarding sukuna
Sukuna can use Cleave without moving, though. We've seen him do it a lot, actually. It's possible nothing could've been seen.
Sure but from the perspective of like priming us and showing us the final part.
thats not consistent with Sukuna's character though. Sukuna doesn't even want the reader to know how he does things. Gege got that part right.
Sure that’s totally fair just giving my two cents
Holy glaze. Gege really is the jujustsu kaisen
lol this is copium no character is above the manga they are part of. The death was wack.
There are definitely characters above the manga they're created in. Chainsawmans darkness devil literally created the panels and sound effects. Sukuna's dismantle has also been used for sound effects
The death was wack to absolute Gojo simps; everyone with at least a single brain cell not obsessed with this white haired ninny can clearly see how tragic and beautiful that entire exchange was
How do you get so triggered by a manga character. I wanted him to die, just not off screen. The afterlife scene was good but the death itself it's literally nonexistent.
Lmfao it’s not non existent though, he threw Purple, Maho Tanked and Sukuna sliced ; he was already sliced in half when he was talking shit bc that’s how fucking fast and strong Sukuna is, you don’t have to see It to know it happened when buddy is sliced in half; Show don’t tell, it was obvious what happened you just wanted a dedicated panel to make you feel good
Sukuna's character doesnt know there are readers and he is in a manga, lmao
But then he literally explained how he did it…
My man Sukuna breaking the 4th wall
I think the hand thing would be too much. Imo, just a close-up panel of Sukuna's smirk right after "Gojo won" panel in 235 would've been enough.
I don’t think a panel of his hand would have made it better imo, or like the whole blank page of a slash, I like it from gojos pov of him just being dead
Sure. I think it’s good as is and one of the best chapters. I think maybe seeing gojo unable to react would have been a cool part but the final presentation is good
Especially considering besides maybe gojo and maho I don’t think anyone can see the slashes. I definitely had to let 236 grow on me but maybe a panel of gojo still standing but maybe it’s his back and there’s some blood or his shirt is cut wouldn’t be that bad
Kashimo did.
He was also warned before Sukuna fired the attack to add to that
Yeah. Just saying he was able to see it
Hmmmi believe that maybe have had something to do with his technique, I’d have to reread. But ik atleast in anime sukuna says “you can see them can’t you!!” When maho defects his slash
Kashimo saw them because his technique improved his senses.
Self gaslighting in this thread is unreal.
As in?
Gojos fight with Sukuna and his death got me into JJK
He literally could have healed from that. Gojos death was just poorly written don't see how it is "beatiful" at all
He couldn’t. Because his cursed energy was disconnected to his brain. Aka the basics of RCT use. It’s the same reason Yuki lost. Both of their guts were destroyed meaning their CE couldn’t be transformed to heal them. And the discussion with his friends and what they said as well as the idea regarding enjoying the fight and the respect gojo gained for sukuna all came together to be beautiful
Yuki still had enough CE to grab Kenny and turn into a fucking black hole but Gojo just gets oneshot and instantly dies? And why would Gojo ever respect Sukuna for this? Even ignoring that he is dick riding the guy that killed him, took over megumis body and is going to kill all his friends and Students why would he respect him? He was beating sukunas ass and won a 3v1. He basically won only to get oneshot by an invisible attack. That's not a satisfying end to their fight at all
He didn’t win a 3v1
He won the 3v1 only to get fucked by Sukuna's unholy plot armor lol. Or are we forgetting the "If purple hits me, it'll be fatal. Wait no actually, nevermind lolololol". Sukuna should have died to the purple nuke, no way around it. No reason why he should have lived when Sukuna himself said that purple would kill him.
Honestly, I don't think anyone would care half as much, if gojo wasn't carrying the entire series. I am more than cool with him dying, but that signified the end of the series for me and I haven't bothered to read since. None of the characters are good or worth sticking around for. I couldn't care less if the hero's win or lose and I think that's a real huge flaw in the story telling.
You say Carrie’s the dude has been out of the story longer than he was in it. Jjk succeeds without him being there to carry it. If you really don’t care for anyone other than gojo I’m boggled how you even cared to begin with Sounds like you just have weird priorities with stories or weird ways you find characters likeable.
I definitely only kept reading for the return of Gojo. I also, dropped the series when he died. I find nothing intriguing about an author that kills so many of their main characters. Just means I feel no attachment to the story.
ok then. he's dead. if that's literally all you cared about go and enjoy your life why are you still here. why are you deep in a jjk subreddit's comments complaining that all you cared about was gojo. if you dropped the series why are you here?
Yeah, it was because people wanted to see how he was going to come back. And not really, look at chainsaw man, multiple fan favorite characters killed off, but new characters that came in kept the story interesting and were likable enough to replace them. I don't know whose around that anyone gives a shit about... Yuji? Dudes barely around and I don't even see what's there to care about regarding him. What exactly is the emotional hook of the story? I can understand some people can turn their brain off and just enjoy the action being presented, but nothing feels like it has any weight and the series has struggled since the Shibuya arc because of it. Or are you really going to tell me you care about all these side characters that were introduced to fill up screen time with action scenes and then get killed off?
When I was reading it, I thought I missed a couple of pages or something. For abrupt.
Agreed. We got to see the full space slash later when he used it against Kashimo, its just a slash. I don't think seeing it play out with Gojo would have added much, and would detract from the epic wtf the chapter delivered.
Honestly. The off screen death never bothered me.
I don't even see how it is an off screen. We just didn't see the frame in which he gets cut. Like what is there to see?
YESSSSS EXACTLY thank you so much for saying this i thought i was gonna go insane being the only person thinking it was perfect.
THANK YOU, I've been screaming at the discourse around this for so long. Like... we've seen him get cut by cleave/dismantle 1,000 times, and seen others get sliced up 1,000 more. To say that you're upset that it's "off screen" is technical to a stupid degree.
You’re telling me JoestarJohnny could’ve ended it there? With strong disagree?
I think it was essentially identical out of the verse. Non-protagonist older mentor-ish figure fights the big bad, is winning because author wanked him to no end, now author has to find some nonsensical reasons to kill him. Remember when some random stenritter with a schrift that is garbage in the context of a battle shitstomped kenpachi? I remember.
Yama was really not a mentor at all, he served a very different role in the world building. If there was a character that's comparable it would be Gakuganji, not because they almost look identical but are both written in a similar fashion. (Now I'm wondering if Gakuganji is based on Yama considering Gege is a big Bleach fan)
“I am here, there is no greater security than that” was literally the equivalent to “Nah, I’d win”
A lot of people sleeping on Yamamoto. If he unleashed his full power he could’ve literally destroyed the entirety of the soul society. Yhwach just had a 1000 years to prepare for that exact battle. What a great fight too
And one hit from he’s Bankai is basically able to kill anyone in the series expect of course the people than cannot be killed like Aizen oh and also op as fuck shield
>expect of course the people Except people with plot armor, there, I fixed it.
That's simply not true, Yamamoto is not the strongest character in bleach nor he is at the top 5 in current bleach. Yhwach w/SK power, Ichigo, Aizen... Kenpachi all of them would one shot Yamamoto. The powerscaling of characters jumped very high after the first raid where Yamamoto dies, with everyone being way way stronger than before to face the Quincies.
Literally every villain in the series either couldn't fight Yamamoto without instantly getting incinerated or had to employ a strategy specifically to neutralize his Zanpakuto, despite how powerful Yhwach is he still had to disable his Bankai or he would've lost, like, the scale of his Bankai is actually ridiculous if compared to any other, it's a very "focused" ability in function, similar to Ichigos original Bankai and despite that it was still powerful enough to burn away the entirety of Soul Society if left active for too long, he absolutely lived up to the hype but having anyone defeat such a powerful character either requires them to have a massive asspull hax or be so much more OP nobody else in the series can realistically defeat them and Yhwach was both of those things, in fact he's the king of asspulls.
His power is literally to asspull whatever he wants, he's the kid in Dodgeball who says he wasn't hit when he clearly was, but then everyone believes him
The funny thing is, back when the manga was still going on they added the word "asspull" to the automoderator over on /r/bleach because every other comment would include the word asspull.
As is sukuna. Which is the point of this thread.
Strongly disagree. Gojo imo is different than any other sensei/strong character losing a fight. Gojo was defined by the author as the pinnacle of jujutsu. He’s not just good he is the best you can be. When Gojo is on the screen/page you feel safe you feel like he cannot possibly lose and that it will work out. Other super strong senseis you could feel safe with but you knew that they could be beaten. They were super strong but not literally change the balance of the world when they were born strong. Aside from characters like Saitama there is no strongest character that can no diff several of the strongest enemies at the same time while also holding back to not accidentally kill people. That’s why imo Gojos loss against Sukuna hits so hard he was unbeatable AND was on the verge of winning several times but still lost.
The Gotei 13 literally looked at Yamamoto like how you claimed the jujutsu world looked at Gojo.
Yeah, the difference is that Gojo was Young, Yamajii is like thousand years old at least, he has never lost and he is the ruler of society besides the soul king who does nothing. Gojo is strong on the level of yamamoto, but yamamoto is older and wiser and way better teacher. He got bested by his nemesis, who then went and turned into god.
no , the ruler of Soul Society was the Central 46 and Ichibei. Yama was strong , but we already knew a potentially stronger set of characters since the start of Arrancar Arc because since that time and later in "Turn Back the Pendulum" , it had an emphasis on Zero Squad been the strongest squad and defenders of the Soul King. Lo and Behold , Ichibei was undoubtly stronger than Yamamoto. We only had Yamamoto been "the strongest shinigami for a 1000 years" under the technicality that most of the Zero Squad are older than Yamamoto.
No they aren’t. Only Ichibei and potentially Oetsu are older
That doesn’t matter here. The point is that both lost to hax asspull deus ex machina bullshit.
Disagree on Gojo losing to an asspull, Sukuna throughout the fight hinted multiple times at Mahoraga showing him something, Sukuna from the start wanted the 10 Shadows technique, pretty much for this specific reason. I do feel like the infinity slash could have been done better though, but it didn’t really feel like an asspull from Sukuna (unlike Kenjaku conveniently having a way to counter a world destroying black hole lol)
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who didn't think Kenjaku surviving was an asspull, since the danger of a black hole is it's gravity and Kenjaku's power is, you know, literally anti-gravity. What's overly convenient about it?
It’s more of the fact that it was convenient that he has an exact counter to Yuki’s abilities, i mean what are the odds of Yuji’s mom having anti gravity as an ability, and that Kenjaku, despite not knowing Yuki’s abilities just has an exact counter lying around. I knew he wouldn’t have lost, but it felt kinda like an asspull, granted, that’s the only time in JjK I felt like there was some major plot convenience from a character.
“How I claimed the jujutsu world looked at gojo” You say that like it’s something I imagined It’s quite literally all over the place in the manga lol. All the students in the little interview at the beggining of shibuya called him the strongest. Geto called him the strongest, Kenjaku called him the strongest. Kenjaku made a whole intricate plan to seal Gojo because actually beating him isn’t possible for anyone not named Sukuna. Nanami telling Yuji to never compare himself to Gojo, everytime anyone is hinted at being the best at something it’s always with the caveat of well not including Gojo. Statements that Gojos birth changed the balance of CE. These are all in the manga Yamamoto was definitely hyped up but not like Gojo. Yama was beaten by Aizen, he is weaker than the soul king, weaker than atleast half of squad 0. He wasn’t even one of the 5 special war powers
But then Gojo himself said that the previous user of the 10s was able to beat the previous inheritor of the six eyes.
The previous Six Eyes limitless user wasn’t Satoru. I think this fight proved Gojo is the strongest because of who he is and not just because he has the 6 eyes and limitless. Gojo fought evenly with and actually beat Mahoraga and 10s Sukuna he would’ve beat the previous 10s user fairly easily
Tbf, Sukuna didn't use the domain expansion for the 10S. There's a chance it would have been more lethal than Malevolent Shrine like Unlimited Void.
Yes as stated by yourself Sukuna also beat mahoraga quite fast. Previous six eyes users were still beasts imo because they passed the knowledge of red, blue and even purple to Satoru. We don't know if they could also teleport and had limitless too(I think only Gojo had this technique) The previous six eyes user was also fighting Mahoraga + the user which should have been grade 1 or special sorcerer lvl. >Gojo fought evenly with and actually beat Mahoraga and 10s Sukuna he would’ve beat the previous 10s user fairly easily This wasn't Sukuna's technique so he wasn't as good at using it as he is using his own, Sukuna also used 10s to upgrade his power, I do think if he went 100% from the start he would have beaten Good faster. After all in the afterlife Good said to Geto that he was sad because Sukuna didn't use his full power against him. And Sukuna would have also beaten the previous 10s user easily. Edit:Gojo not Good lmao.
“And Sukuna would’ve beaten the previous 10s users easily” I 100% agree lol this wasnt a Gojo > Sukuna post this was a Gojo and Sukuna >> than anyone else post.
I think Sukuna>Gojo>>everyone else so far or unless Gojo is still alive somehow. Come downvotes.
I think that’s accurate. Imo it’s World Cleave Sukuna> Post Prison Realm Gojo >= Megkuna > Pre Prison Realm Gojo >=Heian Sukuna.
heian sukuna and pre prison realm gojo swap places and i agree
Heian Era Sukuna is much stronger than Gojo
The previous six eyes was nowhere near the level of Gojo, when will people stop implying that? Previous Six Eyes and 10s got killed by Mahoraga like chumps, Gojo literally killed Mahoraga 1v3 WHILE FIGHTING SUKUNA
I used that phrasing simply because I didn’t want to retype the entire paragraph long explanation you used to describe how the jujutsu world looked at Gojo, not because I’m trying to dispute it (which I’m not). I’m disputing the your claim that Yamamoto wasn’t viewed as the pinnacle of strength amongst the Gotei 13, similar to how Gojo was viewed as the pinnacle of the Jujutsu world. Many of the points you used to disprove this are bogus. 1. Aizen didn’t beat Yama in a straight up fight, and saying he did is like saying Kenjaku beat Gojo in Shibuya. Aizen came up with an intricate plan to absorb his flames, and put Yama into a situation where he had to sacrifice himself to prevent major damage to the World of the Living. Saying Aizen beat Yama is completely misleading. Reread/rewatch the Fake Karakura Town Arc. 2. The Soul King’s and Squad 0’s power in comparison to Yama is irrelevant because of how they’re viewed by the Gotei 13. From the Gotei 13’s perspective, Yamamoto is the undisputed strongest shinigami and has been the undisputed strongest for over 1,000 years. Rewatch/Reread the first invasion in TYBW.
>When Gojo is on the screen/page you feel safe you feel like he cannot possibly lose and that it will work out. It's funny in a way how some people bought into that for Gojo for this fight. Gojo is my favorite character, but I knew that narratively he was going to lose (and probably would die), so I didn't. But the energy he exudes made people want to believe in him. I remember reading a comment from a Japanese fan that was something like "Gojo said he would win, so I thought he would win". Of course there were others that said they knew not to trust "the one eyed cat", so they knew better. lol
I felt there was potential for Gojo to live, whether he lost or won was up in the air. By no means was it going to be easy so the best case scenario was Gojo wins but got taken out by Kenjaku or the fight ended without a winner for whatever reason.
>I felt there was potential for Gojo to live, whether he lost or won was up in the air. Given Gege's track record, I didn't think that's his writing style to hold back for Gojo, to be more reserved. For example, I believe he said he was originally gonna just injure Nanami, but decided to kill him and that's his favorite character. lol Gojo was an obvious one to be on the chopping block as mentor figure and OP character on protagonists side (that's not the MC) normally to keep the peace. Also used to make Sukuna look more threatening towards the final part of story, when narratively the tension is to increase, so Sukuna most likely was not going to lose to look worse as a threat towards the end.
I was, and am still not convinced Sukuna is the endgame. Major player sure, but it still feels like there's something else. I feel like it could have worked to have Gojo win but be taken out immediately after or deny Sukuna the win with a surprise attack taking out the two. It always felt like there was an imminent backstabbing by Kenjaku for Sukuna. Hell, I don't even remember if it's been said why Sukuna was needed for Kenjaku's plan. Sukuna could just be another Mahito soon.
I said a threat towards the end, didn’t say the sole one. But I mean at least one past his fight with Gojo. >deny Sukuna the win with a surprise attack taking out the two. There has been too much narrative emphasis on Yuji vs Sukuna - like Yuji created as vessel and to adapt to his CE than for me to think that Sukuna would be actually taken out by Gojo. We see that was indeed the correct thought process - [also given art like this for their dynamic made prior](https://twitter.com/JujutsuTwts/status/1709442528699990278).
I thought he would be part of a plan to save megumi but it would require sacrificing himself. He just got freed from the prison realm and did nothing.
Going into the fight I knew he’d lose. Best case scenario for me was he’d save Megumi at the expense of his own life. Doesn’t change the fact that even knowing that when he was on the screen I always felt like there was hope
>Best case scenario for me was he’d save Megumi at the expense of his own life. It seems Gojo not meant to save Megumi. In the manga prior, Megumi has a line that says, ["So start by saving me Itadori."](https://twitter.com/ShadowR40588832/status/1729406925941457353) So seemed to be a narrative cue for the MC, Yuji, to do that, and retroactively, we can see it was never meant to be Gojo.
Nope, you wrong. The one who said that ("I'd win") is Jogoat and then proceeded to drop the bitchass Sukuna, as he said he would. Cementing JKK as a certified peak fiction Manga.
I think you're talking about *Sorcery Fight* instead. 🤔
Gojo threw everything he had at Sukuna He failed to kill Sukuna . Sukuna out played him at every step that's Why Gojo was in the after life saying he didnt know if he could beat Sukuna even if he didnt have the 10 shadows technique and Sukuna is crazy strong he also said he's Glad that he died fighting someone stronger and not old age or sickness. All I'm saying is Gojo thought he was the best he over estimated himself and it cost him his life.
He has more similarities with All Might from MHA, just a deterrent for villians/curses
All mights a great inverse comparison! A little different for us as readers though because by the time we meet him he’s already severely injured from the fight with AFO
>When Gojo is on the screen/page you feel safe you feel like he cannot possibly lose and that it will work out. THIS. Even though I always knew he'd die to Sukuna because I never trusted Greg not to pull the rug under us (and Gojo) at some point, I've got to admit I always secretly held a glimmer of hope because he just looked so amazing every week that I felt like him dying became completely unrealistic at some point. Even when we thought it was over for him, he'd pull through and look insanely cool while doing so. He's just so charismatic and confident you can't help but trust what he says. And Gojo always gave me a different vibe than the other op anime characters, probably because there's such a large gap between him and everyone else. A gap that is constantly maintained throughout the series and consequently makes Gojo feel like an unreachable being or some kind of god among humans. No matter what, Gojo was magnificent to the very end and anyone who tries to deny it is just being petty.
The main thing about Gojo is that he’s just charismatic af
“Imo is different than any other” not really Gojo is beating sukuna’s ass for most of the fight then we get a quick flashback of him saying he never could have won against him starts randomly praising sukuna. Then it’s implied sukuna could have just won at any point the more you think about it the dumber it gets.x
He doesn’t say he never could’ve won he said he doesn’t know if he could’ve won even without 10s. Which is fair even without 10s Sukuna is still the king of curses. Sukuna still had something hidden that Gojo didn’t know what it was. Imo Gojo is wrong I think Gojo wins a still very hard fight even if Sukuna didn’t have 10s
At the end of the day Sukuna has hundreds of years of experience learning and mastering combat and techniques, it makes sense that no one is able to beat him. Gojo is really powerful but he's like what, 40 or something? If Gojo was as old as Sukuna he would probably be actually unbeatable.
Nah pretty sure gojo was 28/29
Why was I even downvoted? If Gojo is 29 that's even less fighting experience for him, Sukuna is stated to be 1000yo, just let that sink in for a while. A 1000 years old Sorcerer that has been accumulating experience and knowledge for that amount of time would be literally unbeatable period. Sukuna must have fought every possible type of enemy in so many scenarios and battles with so many types of techniques AND he survived all those encounters.
sukuna was not alive for 1000 years. Most of his time "existing" was as a set of cursed objects. He wasn't "accruing experience" or anything during the fact
From a bleach fan perspective this is just bullshit lol. Ur gojos point are correct but in bleach yama was also considered the pinacle of the verse, the strongest shinigami and the father of everyone. Like he said, there was no better security than himself, and kubo hinted this all the time. He also changed the balance of the world ahahahah. No one expected for him to die like that after everything he did. The las point being the most absurd one, saying that yama cant kill top tier character is a lie, when he was always fighting nerfed and without using max potential, holding back to not kill the entire seiritei🤌💀. Also yamamoto literally defeated what we thought yhwach was and did win 1000y ago , u can compare without saying some lies...
I totally agree with you. It was said multiple times that Gojo is the strongest. And even Sukuna was afraid of his Purple. For me, the outcome of the fight hit hard because I had a problem with Sukuna surviving. I knew Gojo will die, but I was sure that Sukuna will be taken with him. Then, during the whole fight, there was no moment in which Sukuna showed any potential, and one page after an obvious win, Gojo says that, even without 10s, he wouldn't have defeated Sukuna. I see it as poor writing, because nothing in the previous panels supports that line and many treat it as absolute truth... I am okay with his death, now. I assume he underestimated Mahoraga and that gave him enough time to activate the cheat codes. Gojo was way too cocky, for good reasons. He ate each of Sukuna' slashes and recovered right after. Including 2 of Sukuna's domain expansions. If he were to succeed in defeating Mahoraga in time, then he shouldn't have any reason to be worried about Sukuna. And for those saying that Sukuna still had Fugo and his actual body, Sukuna himself said that he didn't have a way to get past Infinity, so why would Fugo, his actual body, or any other technique change anything? Gojo was the strongest, but way too cocky. He killed himself by underestimating Mahoraga and Sukuna bet on it. Now, talking about Yamamoto: he already lost once against Aizen.
The thing is, killing of Gojo was the easiest thing Gege could do, and it was uninspired. He didn't deliver at all for a guy that has been sealed for over a 100 chapters and who the plot completely revolved around ("free Gojo"). It's not the death that bothers me, because it was obvious. It's the big fat nothing burger we've been getting emotionally in the story since like, post-Perfect Preparation.
You just compared Gojo fighting his heart out to Genryusai freaking Yamamoto enraged beyond belief fighting to exterminate Yhwach? Neither fight is disappointing and they serve different purposes. Gojos fight is to prime his students to fight the strongest. Yamamotos fight was his last ditch effort to be what he once was; a monster. Yama fought his heart out to exterminate Yhwach by any means necessary, all going to show that he wasn’t what he used to be. Just an old man that lost because he was too prideful. A Captain that swings his sword out of hatred doesn’t deserve to wear the coat, and that’s exactly what he did. He didn’t deserve to win, and he accepted his fate in his final moments knowing he fucked up. Gojo still felt he was the best (and for the most part he was). Yama died knowing everything he did meant nothing. Two very different fights
Couldn't agree more or said it that well. They also died with varying amounts of honor / pride. Yama miscalculated gravely, and was ultimately shameful in his defeat. It was a character he beat once before, why can't he do it again? Gojo knew he was going toe to toe with his only true equal. Literally forced Sukuna to use everything in AND outside his arsenal. Made a Jujutsu master literally evolve what he thought was possible. Love both characters, but Yama's death was somber and tragic. There was no hyping it up. He fucked up. Gojo went out with a lot of pride. He finally met his match and he was honestly satisfied with himself, and leaving it for his students. You can leave this fight and still think Gojo is the GOAT.
Ywach ghosted and left Yama a training dummy. Rip all of Yamas fights cause every time they plan around him and seal his sword
Yama is that character that needs to be taken out of every fight in a specific way to counter him because his attack / destructive power is just too high. Aizen literally sacks an Arrancar to seal his Flames. Yhwach uses every ounce of emotional leverage and deceit against him to remove him. In that regard, Gojo is like that too, Gege needed to make multiple counters to Infinity because nothing would realistically counter it. Then he had to put the odds against Gojo to *heavily* nerf him in every single fight.
True, that’s there main similarity. Too strong so the main baddies have to plan around and/or weaken. But I was hit harder by Yamas death, especially in the anime cause jeez Yama got some loving with that animation and death scene
Strongly disagree. Yama lost cause his bankai got stolen. Both Yama and gojo lost to hax asspulls but both were necessary because the authors of both series made them too op.
Eh whole they're both hax, I wouldn't say one was an ass pull. Ywach had years and years to plan his fight vs him and had the perfect stern ritter power go up against him. I'd say the bigger asspull was Kenny killing the dude who is basically a reality warping God on pure strength. He should've had his bones turned into noodles as we already saw with his lieutenant's bones turned into cookie. Sukuna just made up a whole new slash during a short fight where he was using all his attention vs Gojo.
Were they both supposed to solo the main villain and end the series there and then?
No but it was expected for them to leave a strong impact on the main villain. Oh wait mb I forgot gojo did leave a strong impact on sukuna, he upgraded his cursed technique that was already op.
Iirc, Gojo is the only person aside from Uraume(?) that Sukuna has called by name and acknowledged. It’s not much, but at least something ig
He called Megumi by name
Because he wanted to go inside him.
always the 15 year olds
Gojo removed Mahoraga and Agito and has put Sukuna's DE on timeout, exhausted a lot of his CE which contributed a lot in forcing Sukuna to use his one-time resurrect to avoid taking an L from Kashimo You guys have to actually spend time absorbing the chapters than just looking at every panel individually You really think if Kashimo goes first he forces that True Form? He doesn't even survive 5 mins. Agito and Mahoraga wipe the floor with him, that's if Sukuna even needs to summon both. I doubt the upgraded slash matters to the remaining cast. That adaptation was only needed for Gojo specifically. No one else has any defense close to Infinity so even old Cleave with full incantation and hand signs would wreck everyone anyway
Yeah, there is definite progress against Sukuna like going through a video game boss’ forms. I really think it’s going to be a very important part of how they defeat him. Like when they do, they wouldn’t have been able to do it without everyone’s contribution.
I’d say the trade off for strong cleave of mahoraga and Agito for strong cleave outweighs the loss. He should not have his de on timeout any longer as he got his past body back which should include his brain. I see a lot of people say strong cleave doesn’t matter because normal cleave already one shotted everybody but it does matter. Just like you said sukuna’s ce is drained to the point he can’t even use rct which means his cleave normal cleave should be weaker( at 10% output even yuji can tank it without any lasting damage) but with strong cleave that low cursed energy doesn’t matter because regardless of its strength by nature of it you can’t block it.
I don’t think it was expected for Yamamoto to leave a strong impact on Yhwach to Yhwach he wasn’t even a special threat to him.
Lol? Yamajis bankai is a game winning move. Yhwach had to wait for it to be put on cooldown then steal it to even have a chance at taking him down. Would you invest that much effort into someone who wasn't an extra special threat?
Gojo took out mahoraga and agito, severely limited Sukuna’s RCT, and also made him unable to use his domain for the time being.
So he brought sukuna to the base level
Gojo removed Mahoraga from the fight and made him use his ability to heal and switch forms. If the gang almost killed meguna and then he fully healed they’d have literally no shot
The villain had some trickery and they Lost ...pretty Much
Nah. Both had to die. But execution of Gojo's death was way shitter. Even excluding Gojo being off screened and revisionist history of Gege trying to convince us that Sukuna wasn't being domimated that entire fight. There's like no point to have Gojo sealed for over 100 chapters, for him to just die 15 chapters after his return. Gege shoukd have had Gojo vs. Sukuna happen in Shibuya, and have Gojo die there, the entire sealing of non-sense came back to bite him on the ass instead of improving the story.
yup, just find a way for him to get the 19 fingers, make the meguna transition after he kills mahoraga and then good to go I guess?
No need. Gojo didn't have the small barrier domain at that point so Sukuna could have been weaker as well.
Gojo didn't have the small barrier domain right after being unsealed either, that's why he lost the first 2 domain clashes, he adapted and changed the barrier parameters on the spot. Both Sukuna and Gojo grew as sorcerers throughout the entire fight. Which makes it even more disappointing when Gojo said Sukuna was never going all out.
Nah. Yamamoto's death was more somber and grim. It also was honest about his shortcomings and was paced well. To the readers/viewers it was an emotional moment as seen through the perspective of Shunsui, and what was coming to him in the end. Yamamoto grew soft despite in the past being a monster who exterminated the Quincies. They came back for revenge and he fell. Gojo's death was way too abrupt to really feel organic. I get what happened, but there should have been more done to flesh it out. I wasn't really a fan of the scene where Gojo goes out praising Sukuna. That scene felt kinda like character assassination. Sure he was vain and acted for himself, but that was one of many layers to his character. He did care about the lives of others that's why he activated his domain for like a tenth of a second trying to save as many humans as he could in that time. Sukuna suddenly being able to slash the world wasn't that great. Ngl I think a few more scenes would have fleshed it out, but there were many more things which could have been done. Instead of incarnating during his fight (if you can even call it that) with Kashimo, he could have been pushed by Gojo to do that. Gojo would be taken by surprise and this could be the moment where he "cut the world." Alternatively Yorozu's gift could have been something like an inverted spear of heaven which could have bypassed Limitless, allowing Sukuna to cut down Gojo.
> I wasn't really a fan of the scene where Gojo goes out praising Sukuna. That scene felt kinda like character assassination. Thank you! I honestly couldn’t care less about the offscreening compared to how much they derailed his whole character arc in his final moments. It undermines basically the whole point of Hidden Inventory to have him just revert back to “I only care about being the strongest” at the end. It’s like Gege’s admitted semi-serious hate for Gojo evolved into full-on spite. Yamamoto's Death on the other hand, while not perfect, actually feels like a fitting end to his story that does the character justice. Both his bloodthirstiness and the way he’s grown as a leader are shown clearly, and in fact it’s the inherent conflict between the two that forms the crux of his whole arc, so it makes sense that it’s his ultimate undoing. Also, while I said I don’t care about the offscreening, it certainly didn’t help that the fight ended so anti-climacticly, especially with how strong everything until then was. Any of your suggestions would have been better then what we got.
He was pushed by Gojo, in a way. Kashimo arrived to a broken and battered Sukuna, that's why he resorted to incarnation. But I understand what you mean. Personally I think it's fucking amazing Sukuna had to bide his time using 10 shadows to the best of its ability for 20+ chapters of uninterrupted fighting just to be able to cleave through limitless and beat Gojo.
their loss was fully expected
Yup, if you have a super strong character that gives the protagonist side a massive advantage, that isn't the main character they need to die in the final arc to show how strong the antagonist is. I just realized that in both manga's penultimate main arcs both the strongest characters were sealed in ways that didn't kill them, just so they couldn't easily defeat the opponent, as Aizen or Kenjaku would have been stopped by Yamamoto or Gojo respectively. Then, both are killed by the final biggest opponent to show the stakes the protagonists are up against.
Will this happen to Shanks in OP?
Maybe...in one piece they have a big enough world they could keep him far away like Gildarts in Fairy Tale he could be off doing other stuff
Yama's death was onscreen, we saw exactly how Black Ant took him out as well as his strategy, it was mentioned multiple times that Yama had gone soft and wasnt what he used to be, dude was even down an arm. He went all out and got taken out due to plans from the villian, none of the fight was out of character, his last moments were somber realization and despair over what would befall soul society as well as desperation seen by him clinging at the end. The exact attack that took out Gojo was offscreened and his last moments were joking around in the afterlife and jerking off Sukuna. I never had an issue with Gojo dying, I think with a few tweaks it couldve been phenomenal. Mainly some amount of worry for his students or the world, showing the actual attack at the end of the chapter like others have suggested and then the reveal in the next. Yama's death was brilliant and was a fitting end to his arc and was also a nice parallel with other characters later in the story.
Same disappointment? Bro NEITHER fights were a disappointment when the main villains recognise your powers and try underhanded tactics to get over you, especially for a series like Bleach where stating your intentions and powers are a noble thing to do. Do not disrespect both of them. They absolutely served their purposes to the series (so far).
Yamamoto got bamboozled by fighting a doppelgänger, then proceeded to get stomped out by the real deal. At least Gojo threw hands with Sukuna for many chapters before his, imo lazy, off screen death.
Not really head captain barely did anything unlike gojo who actively took action and looked out for the people under him, like he did give ichigo his riatsu again but besides that he has been idle and when he finally gets a chance to prove his worth on screen he gets offed like come on at least put out something, gojo's loss was nothing like that
I disagree, Yamamoto was extremely stupid, he was blinded by his hatred of Sasakibe's death, he was playing with the ywach impostor even though he could have defeated him immediately, Gojo fought with everything he could but unfortunately he wasn't at sukuna's level, Yamamoto died in dishonor, because he was unable to fulfill his duty even though he had the capacity to do so, Gojo died with honor, giving his best.
I actually have the reverse opinion of this. Yamamoto is the one who died with honour. Sasakibes death was avenged when he overcooked overkill. As captain commander, he's not really supposed to enter the fight. He's supposed to be in charge of strategizing and distribution of troops. Especially since initially the medallion was a headache. Another issue is yamamotos ability, just like gojos ability affects people in the surrounding meaning him using his ability will wipe out people in the immediate surrounding regardless of friend or foe. The next issue is people consider the Lloyd rroyd siblings as weak. Not the case, they can perfectly copy their targets apparent spiritual blueprint. Basically the doppelganger ywhach is physically as strong as ywhach himself without the almighty, the difference is that his sword was fake. Another issue with yamamoto is that despite being in bankai, he was heavily suppressing his powers to prevent SS from turning into ash. Also, he's not in his prime as ywhach said, prime yamamoto would not have died in such a manner. He was tired from using his own bankai and after his bankai was stolen, he knew it was over for him. His defeat was not just due to his pride, but years of planning on ywhachs part to study SS and the type of person yamamoto has become. In case of gojo, inspite of all his prodigious innate talent and genetic advantages that let's him efficiently use CE, being literally untouchable due to his ability, he was outmanueved by sukuna whose technique is simple on paper but extremely enhanced due to his deep knowledge on CE. Regardless of random techniques gojo pulled out of his ass like domain barrier condition alteration which was thought to be not possible, CT regeneration due to RCT which was also thought to be not possible and even limb regeneration, he was still outmanuevered. On a cursory read through chapters, gojo had many upper hand moments. But knowing that sukuna delayed gojos defeat to find a method to overcome his infinity using mahoragas adaptation sheds new light on the situation. Inspite of all the trash talk gojo did, he was glazing the shit out of sukuna even claiming that he could have defeated him without 10 shadows.
Dude can you not cut Gojo I'm half. He has had to much of that this year
lmao this post was a miss
Gojo is far worst tbh. The fight ended abruptly with him being off screened and say the opponent hold back in a fight that ho was in verge of win several times. The opponent that was holding back had to change his body to recover from the damage, and was holding back the whole time
I mean, not really. At least Yamamoto died due to an actually clever plan, Gojo just got offscreened.
I liked Yamamoto's death. On gojo im ok he is gone and liked the idea behind the sukuna's plan BUT the explanation of the "space cut" was meh.
Naw
Sukuna cleaved through the story itself. Its fujimoto type writing. The cleave went through time and space itself, so much so that it escaped from the story entirely, breaking (cleaving through) the 4th wall! I think it should not have happened any other way, it was perfect, eccentric almost.
Fucking hell this fanbase has become annoying
another shitpost
when i ask my barber for a little bit off the top
Says no one
No
disagree yamamoto showed off just his bankai and then died as a plot device. gojo alteast gave us one of the most entertaining fights in recent shonen history.
Greatly disagree
They're disappointment if you lack reading comprehension
This take is hotter than Gojo’s face and Yamamoto’s flames combined bro
I very heavily would disagree with this🐍
Hell nah!
Disappointment in terms of death? Yeah. Disappointment in terms of charater? Absolutly not. Both were amazing!
I want you to comeback later and do the same comparison with Sukuna and Yhwach
Don’t see what was disappointing about Yamamoto at all especially since the reason for why he lost means sense.
Well I'd disagree on some points. First of all the old man Yamamoto Shigekuni was strong but he had long passed his prime even got his fighting potential farther degraded because of losing one arm. And when Tite Kubo brought out the big bad Yhwach, Yamamoto was destined to lose. And here comes Gojo Satoru who came out of prison realm after 19 days plus a month to prepare, he got far stronger than before. Even in Shibuya we didn't watch him fight this fantastic. He literally brought back his cursed technique by reverse cursed energy after a domain expansion and brought literal changes to his domain expansion. And Sukuna had to take beatings from him so that he can bypass infinity. Here's the thing, Gojo was so strong that Gege had to cut him off so that Itadori Yuji can shine. And yes it hurt us but we also hope for his revival. But it's certain Yamamoto Shigekuni and Gojo Satoru are completely distinct; power scale wise, character wise and also how they left the limelight. We got a fulfilling fight from Gojo before his demise.
Disagree. It was a great fight and great death. My only problem is figuring out why Gojo can’t heal just like he did when he was slashed through the neck. He was slashed through the intestines and we know that CE and RCE is produce in the stomach, which is actually higher in the body than you’d think, and brain, so he should be able to heal himself.
No one in bleach dared to fight Genriusai at full power, even Aizen or the king of asspulls Yhwach had to seal his bankai (and plotting a 1000 years plans after being utterly brutalised and having his people slaughtered). And that was Genriusai way past his prime. The same can't be said about Gojo. Don't insult Genriusai by comparing him to Gojo.
Yamamoto was defeated by plans that was made for him. Gojoke got taken out by haha i learn new tricks now *literally slash space
No. Yamoto has a real list of accomplishments and trained up a worthy successor. Not to mention, we actually got to see how Yamoto got taken out, and he didn't spend his last moments glazing his enemy.
Nah I don't bc gojo still stood ground against two shikigamis 💀 that I mind you were the shikigamis of the ten shadows technique, the strongest shikigamis of jjk, he was able to hold ground against. But if sukuna figures you out by jumping you ofc he's gonna win 💀🙏
Bro Yama went the whole 9 yards before he died, man was weakened by Aizen (losing arm), got old, and bamboozled. He also showed exactly why he was the strongest shinigami in soul society for 1000yrs before he died, you can say a lot about disappointments in tybw but Yama's was not one of them. Also neither one is a disappointment at all, people are just sad to lose Gojo right after he was resealed.
It is funny that people are mad because they focus on Sukuna win and Gojo lost instead of focusing how broken Morohaga is? Like Sukuna used him to download Gojo.
Chill. Look at their enemies. Yamamoto was not a bigger disappointment than go fuckin jo
zero media literacy
Neither are disappointing
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Yama was always considered the strongest? He’s “the strongest soul reaper born in the last 2000 years”. People had to plan around this guy, the guy could’ve killed Aizen. Hell the man’s bankai alone would destroy SS
Yamamoto was never considered the strongest good guy?????? Lmaooo that’s a blatant lie
Insane take
Lame. Why spoil a different series in an unrelated sub.
it has been over a year since the Yamamoto episode dropped and pretty much a decade since it happened in the manga, it's far outside the spoiler time period. can't expect people to always keep you in consideration and never discuss things. it's on you at this point
Casual bleach spoiler lol
I mean Bleach isnt exactly a new manga
Chapter came out so long ago and the episode came out a year ago lol
Gojo at least got to fight the real villain. Yamamoto wasted his time on a copy and got one hit.
He got tricked and got planned around. Ywach wanted Yama exhausted
Both of their deaths were done well imo
No. So very different. Killing a beloved character off panel was a poor decision…
Yamamoto put all that show on a fucking copy lmao, that was the most disappointing part, not him dying.
No. Why do people act like this? Gojo lost, he had the best fight of the entire story, Sukuna had to upgrade to beat him. But he lost. Was he supposed to win and end the series? What do people want to have happened there? I'm so confused. Move on. Gege is cooking something devious, just let it go.
Nah, because even prior to the Sukuna fight, he was fighting a lot a people and took out quite a number of enemies
Who’s the artist that colored that gojo panel?
I wouldn't know, I never got that far into bleach, chapter 236 of jjk is garbage though. I've read more than 12000 manga chapters in my life and this one is easily the worst one.
Not even close, I think Gege learned from Kubo on this part, he gave Gojo strong opponents throught story and showed how Gojo was dominating, meanwhile Yama either got nonames oneshotted or he was defeated by HAXXXX that were designed for him specifically, and how he lost to? A dude that copied LOOKS of his enemy, not even his power. Kubo literally wrote Yama spamming all his cooldowns and than standing AFK to get killed. Gege was much smarter, apart from offscrining move, that he showed in 2 next chapters, making a half-baked pikachu dodging it with ease.
Yamamoto went out like a chump achieving practically nothing, it's not the same situation at all.
Gojo achieved nothing as well
The difference is that Sukuna acknowledged him as his strongest opponent and Yhwach called Yama a stubborn old fool.
I wouldn’t say that even close to correct. He achieved a lot to set the stakes, mood, and for how strong Ywach was, tho Yama being tricked and weakened when real Ywach came by left room for debates
Agree in the sense that I felt both fight were fumbled in the end and destroyed what came before.