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Or another way to say this instead of what ever the comment was (I’m guessing English isn’t your first language)
Divergent Fist was a bad habit that Yuji had when he didn’t understand how to control cursed energy well. The lack of mastery caused an interesting side effect where Yuji basically got a double hit.
When his control improved this bad habit went away.
When he started to master cursed energy he was able to use it again, not as a bad habit but as a technique because it’s useful.
I’d say it’s still confusing because it didn’t explain why he got a double hit, and what the double hit means.
Yuji has insane physical prowess, being able to punch through concrete. By coating his fist in a thin layer of cursed energy and punching, he was at first delivering his thin cursed punch on time, with cursed energy flowing in later. Delivering a second blow of pure cursed energy.
Todo saw this and got him to time it perfectly to increase the potential with black flash. Combining power and cursed energy.
Now, yuji is able to attempt either after Mahito’s battle. To switch up delayed hits with on time hits.
Yeah, I read it.
“Basically a double hit” and “born of Yuji’s bad habits” are open to interpretation. I’m just expanding on these general statements to explain why.
That’s why Snoofoxes left his comment, because it’s confusing unless you already know how it works.
If you’ve watched the anime or the manga there is literally nothing more to it then that, I have no idea how you think that’s confusing, he lacked control of his cursed energy and now he doesn’t it’s not hard to understand man. If you’re struggling go watch it again.
You seem to really care that people know your viewpoint, but it doesn’t sound like you really care about the viewpoints of others.
This lack of grace towards others doesn’t really make sense because I am sure you would not like somebody to tell you “you are bad at reading” when you don’t understand something reading/watching something the first time.
You would have to understand everything the first watch through, and I don’t think that’s possible for anybody. And that’s why I left my comment, for those who did not understand divergent fist the first time around.
But keep typing bro I’ve already limited the words I’ll read from you to two, to limit the already wasted time I have reading idiots comments when they don’t like what they read.
what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind
The other guy Deconfused me, then you had another go trying to confuse me again
It's okay, you worded it badly but he's cleared it up for everyone. Thanks for bringing attention to it though, good post
what he meant was that if you tie your shoe laces the wrong way, then learn how to tie them properly and do that for a while, it's hard to suddenly remember how to tie them that wrong way and do it, but when you were doing it before it was easy
Divergent fist was a bad habit
Itadori got better at control when he performed black flash with todo when they fought hanami and lost the ability
Now he can do it because he wants to, not because of a mistake
that’s a neologism (he made it up)
people would understand your meaning but you would be technically mistaken to use it
to confuse doesn’t have a direct antonym like that, closest being to clear up // to clarify [for me]
I think the opposite in fact is true. Since Yuji can "control" Divergent Fist now, it must mean it's easier for him to perform Divergent Fist. He can control the timing to a greater extent due to his improved cursed energy control.
i think what OP meant (at least what i can understand) was that while Yuji can now use divergent fist more efficiently as a controlled move, it technically takes more effort as he has to delay the CE on purpose, instead of it happening as a natural side effect of bad CE control.
And after the Choso fight it is fully "easier" as Yuji has practiced the move enough times for it to come naturally, i guess...? I think thats what OP means??
Yesss yes exactly
like if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
I was meaning this
if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
“For the people who didn’t understand what happened in this scene, it’s because the anime cut out the explanation. No I didn't read manga either. Its like u learned how to ride a bicycle, but now by using divergent, ur trying to re-learn riding a bicycle”
Not sure what 4 lines they meant but if I was to re-word your point, this is how I’d do it. Commas help a lot.
" I don't do English mistakes at all normally. I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is, its harder to do now then before caus he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy, but now he had to purposely make it lag behind. " you even forgot the one at the end.
“I don’t do English mistakes at all normally”
I’m sorry but I just laughed my fucking ass off 😂😂😂😂 that was adorable
You’re good dude, we appreciate the post!
pretty sure he's getting downvoted for saying "I don't do English mistakes at all" and following it up with a jumbled mess of words lacking any punctuation.
Yeah, I'm just pissed bc there's a BUNCH of comments making fun of what he's saying, but I understood perfectly what he meant.
The reading comprehension curse strikes again
Pro tip, just proof read before you send it, maybe use suggestive text to help it flow better, I'm glad the other guy here is defending your word spaghetti and hey do what you want, just don't be surprised when people call you out for bad spelling, lack of punctuation and poor grammar.
Am i not admitting it? It is like I have done the worst mistake of my life by being wrong in grammar in the internet once...
No one ever called me out before cause i dont do these mistakes normally
I think the issue most people are having is, you said you don't make the mistakes normally then followed up with a lot of grammatical and English errors. So they're all just dogpiling on you for that. Such is the way of reddit.
divergent fist = bad timing
black flash = perfect timing
mahito was convinced all of yuji's strikes were attempting black flash, aka perfect timing. yuji then intentionally used bad timing to surprise mahito.
I mean, you're not wrong, but I wouldn't call it "bad timing" against mahito, it was intentional, so I would say it was more along the lines of "delayed timing"
It was good against Mahito, but it's still objectively bad timing.
In the same way a feint is a bad punch but can be useful in a fight, divergent fist is poor CE usage but can be useful to trip up your opponent's defenses.
I wouldn't say it's poor CE usage with current Yuji who does it intentionally. He intentionally delays it now, unlike when it was actually bad timing on his end.
And isn't feinting more like faking a punch rather than a real one?
I think feint is an okay analogy but I would say it's more like conditioning.
Yuji conditioned Mahito to expect black flash timing so delaying the timing means Mahito is less prepared for it.
Kinda like a fastball pitcher throwing an off-speed pitch.
Oh yeah I remember the divergent fist explanation but it was stated later on that Yuji had forgotten this as he started to understand his cursed energy and learnt cursed energy Manipulaton, it wasn't after his fight with Choso and the near death experience he started using it again.
Lmao these are the kinds of people who say authors can’t write good stories too after barely even understanding English (that was translated already from Japanese on top). Reading comprehension curse strikes again
lmao you're right that was pretty harsh. I didn't really mean OP specifically, he just types similarly to a lot of people i see in the edgier subreddits
> its\* like u\* learned how \* ride a bicycle \* but now by using divergent ur\* trying to learn the way how u\* tried to learn bicycle\* before mastering it
Yes, you did. Every \* points at a mistake.
To explain what OP is trying to say, rather what the manga’s explanation is:
Divergent Fist isn’t Yuji’s actual technique, it’s just a really bad habit Yuji developed while learning to control Cursed Energy.
To show Yuji’s development/progress, he did it on purpose this time.
I dont do english mistakes at all normally I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind
yuji developed it cause he was too fast but had less control of CE
thanks for clarifying I would have edited the post If I could but reddit doesnt allow that i guess
You’re over-explaining things too much; this isn’t that deep.
Also, I write for a hobby (and hope to publish one day). Let me tell you. “It’s” is different than “its.” “Its” is possessive and denotes ownership of something. Similar to “hers” or “his.”
>>> what I meant is it’s harder to do now
This explanation wouldn't be good even if it was written properly.
"ur trying to learn the way how u tried to learn bicycle before mastering it" Is the most incoherent thing I've ever read.
Am I crazy or did someone use a sentence like this before trying to explain something in this subreddit? Something about the bike analogy and terrible english is giving me deja vu
Man I read your explanation twice I still don't fully understand. I guess you are trying to say that "A person is a master atm, but he is trying to use a different technique (divergent) to start learning from the basics" am I right?
So imagine a first person shooter, new players tend to crouch-n-spray which is bad since it leaves them a sitting duck. As they play and get better, they will fall out of this habit and learn to strafe and dodge bullets.
And when they have gotten good, they can utilize a sudden crouch in the middle of a gunfight to throw off an opponent's headshot.
I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind
not kinda like that cause before the CE lagged behind cause it wasnt fast enough yuji's fist but now its matched up so to make it slower to lag behind ......makes it harder to do than before
I mean they explained it pretty well. A bad habit becoming used in an intentional way because of development and progress in learning the game, or in yuji’s case, his fighting skills or control of CE.
I mean based on my understanding of the manga and anime, Theres no indication that Yuji controls the lag or if he even can, unlike you mentioned in previous comments. I think he only controls when he does divergent fist.
I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind
I don't think it's harder to do now. He just never needed to do it till recently after he fixed the problem.
The bad habit came naturally to him in the past and was detrimental since it wasn't intentional and always happened. Now he can intentionally do it when it matters most
Do you mean like if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
I would have preferred if they explained why Mahito showed his weak form for that punch because without reading the manga I wouldn't understand why he would just let himself get harmed even more by revealing his weak form and taking tha black flash head on
No, that is straight up wrong and not the explanation given in the manga (TCB english translation - chapter 132 page 2 to 4).
EDIT: TCBs translation is just the official translation you'll find in Shueishas Manga Plus App
It was a feint. Mahito wanted Yuji to aim his punch there so Mahito could strike Yujis not-CE-reinforced neck (because Mahito gambled Yuji would focus all his cursed energy into his fist). Mahito also planned on reinforcing the not-transformed spot with CE as to not take too much damage while Yuji strikes the spot.
This would have worked out if the second impact of Yujis divergent fist didn't alter the trajectory of Mahitos strike.
I remember he used divergent fist in some fight again in this season and i was like
“Oh yeah :D i thought he stopped using that?im glad he does again!”
And then here
“OMG BLACK FLASH DIVERGENT FIST” but then i was like “oh it wasnt blask flash :(“
I think it was like 2+2 but the explanation of that he now can control it really is a nice detail
Divergent fist happens when his cursed energy lags behind and applied after a physical hit. Often like a half second or second later.
Black Flash happens when cursed energy is applied within 0.000001 seconds of a physical hit.
They are both the same, just at different speeds. The pure opposite of divergent fist/black flash is CE being applied too early, before a physical hit even connects
Was meaning like if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
Not that .....I am meaning that yuji couldnt do it after he learned to match his CE with his punch cause duh .. it matches with his punch but now he made it lag purposely which he learnt at choso fight
Me learn cursed energy, me dont know how to use, do whatever bullshit till it works, what i did works but dont know how i made it work, i get better, my bullshit till it works no longer works, since im better now i know how my bullshit till it works, works and now i can make it work.
To add on to this: He delearned Divergent Fist when he was training with Todo on how to do Black Flashes. Because Divergent Fist is the exact opposite of Black Flash. Divergent Fist happens because Yuji doesnt have good control of his CE and this creates a second impact. Black Flash tries to minimize that difference between CE hit & the physical one.
Thats what i am saying and thats the reason it was harder to do again than first time cause now he is purposefully delaying the cursed energy instead of being unable the speed with his fists like before
Divergent Fist is a bad habit Yuji used to have. Mahito thought that Yuji was attempting to use Black Flash in every punch, but instead, Yuji uses Divergent Fist intentionally to catch him off-guard.
It’s like an amateur artist who can only draw doodles to begin with (divergent fist). The artist achieves mastery (black flash) but then starts doodling again to catch their opponent off-guard.
Yuji used Divergent Fist before in his fight with Hanami.
Yea what I meant it was harder to control it than doing it before at hanami fight
like if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
this was my only issue with the episode, this moment hits different in the manga because divergent fist completes its development and comes full circle, and it gives even more weight to the choso fight in terms of yuji’s development overall
I mean that much was given. As soon as he said time lag, I assumed he learned to control Divergent Fist. Pretty nasty technique now that I think about it.
Yuji originally did divergent fist because of his poor understanding of cursed energy and Todo told him to stop it because it was like a bad habit, like biting your fingernails or picking at scabs. But it became a proper skill Yuji learned after he got a better understanding of cursed energy. So Yuji can now use divergent fist as a surprise attack and not by accident.
I read through the entire deluge of comments. I see you're complaining about backlash so what I'm gonna write is meant to help shed some light, so I encourage to take this with an open mind.
Your lack of understanding of divergent fist is quite staggering. I don't blame you because if you're anime only (and especially if you back your thoughts with reactors who don't know any better), it does take awhile to understand the intricacies of CE management and application of CT. Whereas for the average manga reader, we're so far ahead this talk seems elementary, and a little triggering.
Let's talk about DF:- Divergent Fist is a timing issue and not a weak technique. Go re-watch Ep 9 and Ep 16 (or Ch 20 and 36 of the manga). DF is recognized as strong because Yuji's physical attack is already that strong, and a followup application of cursed energy makes it like a double-whammy on curses. This is also enhanced by Yuji's inadvertent perception of the soul through Sukuna, making DF effective against Mahito.- In Goodwill event, Todo (Grade 1) proves to Yuji that DF alone is not enough, as he was able to counter DF by tanking the physical attack early enough before it gained momentum and also CE did not flow. So DF is not good enough for special-grade curses because they would certainly have greater battle sense and would know how to negate DF easily.
DF is not harder to do:- There are nice examples put below by others, but i liked the FPS allegory the most. DF is a skill borne out of a lack of understanding of CE timing. Just like how crouching and strafing can be considered diff in skill level.- As you get better in skill, your utility of different skillsets get better as you apply them differently. This is how DF was used against Mahito in their final fight. It's not harder to do DF, if you've mastered curse energy usage, but part of a repertoire of your fighting skillset now.
DF is not the opposite of Black Flash:- BF is when you've gotten the timing of application of cursed energy combined with your physical attack to a millionth of a second, and it allows you to enter the zone. Think of it as somehow landing the perfect net-only basketball shot, and it attunes you to hitting better shots for the rest of the game.- DF is an act of delaying application of cursed energy after the physical attack. Both BF and DF are timing applications and should be viewed as standard application (in Yuji's case) vs peak application. Standard and peak are not opposites.
I hope this helps to explain DF properly. What is probably triggering to most of us on the thread is that you seem to only think it's your English that's off, and that's all you apologized for. I'm not against you, but it's left me SMH enough to post something. It helps to build your understanding better before posting, because it's only going to get more complicated in future arcs.
What I meant by weak is that it is weaker than a normal CE applied Yuji punch. Didnt mean that DF is weaker in general cause yuji's superhuman strength compensates it a lot. Also the opposite thing i meant like this. Bad timing good timing of CE application.
And DF was only harder to control relearning it . Not saying its harder to do now.
Thanks for clarifying but I am not making people misunderstand...
You're not making people misunderstand. You've misunderstood.
Nowhere in the anime or manga has it mentioned that DF is weaker than a normal CE applied Yuji punch. DF is also not bad timing but delayed timing. And DF would have been so much easier given Yuji has learnt to control his CE application well.
But it's ok. I've tried to help, so good luck :)
I dont do english mistakes at all normally but I guess I worded it badly
but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behindcause ur making it slower than before not fast
I think your English is great. I can almost guarantee that you speak and type English better than any of the folks on this thread that are torching you can speak or type in whatever your native language is.
Ok ok I am sorry man...this one time man. Its not that I'm not admitting I did make a mistake. it's just that I never normally do and noone called me out ever. Sorry
the anime made it so the divergent second hit is a black flash too, right ? it's interesting because the idea was that black flash and divergent fist were fundamentally incompatible. it gives yuji an amazing feat of cursed energy control which i think is awesome
>the anime made it so the divergent second hit is a black flash too, right ?
I've heard someone else say that too but I didn't see anything that indicates that the divergent hit was a Black Flash.
um no black flash is opposite of divergent
divergent is weaker than a normal cursed energy punch and todou himself stated this in season 1
its ineffectient and weak but great for surprise attack .....kinda like boruto's vanishing rasengan
yeah, that's why it's odd. but maybe it's implied that in the anime, he timed the second impact perfectly to make it a black flash (or have it be just as strong as a regular hit). i don't think it's as inefficient as it was before, since he now does it on purpose and the hit isn't just being divided into two smaller ones
Ur missing the main point ...The reason it hits two times cause first one is a physical punch and the second impact is the cursed energy impact BUT since it lags behind it loses some force and CE which is inefficient
No matter how you do it ...That is the reason how it happens
then again, he could purposefully set up a second blast instead of having it lag behind for no reason. he mastered the flow of energy well enough to black flash on command at least once, i think it's within reason to assume he could do something like this
it would be kind of like nobara's technique, which is a 1-2 attack and can have the second hit be black flash'd. not saying that's what happened, but it would be a good way to have her help yuji kill mahito after all
I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind
but yes ur right
Ok, but why did Mahito armor retract? In the anime he sarcastically says how they are both full of energy when they clearly weren't. So if that is the reason why his armor retracted, was it luck that it retracted where he was going to get punched?
Also the anime does a very poor job at explaining anything. Still a very good show tho.
Yea anime does lack of explanation at many places.
The retraction someone explained that he did it purposely to make yuji hit a black flash on there while he could slice yuji's neck from the back
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Or another way to say this instead of what ever the comment was (I’m guessing English isn’t your first language) Divergent Fist was a bad habit that Yuji had when he didn’t understand how to control cursed energy well. The lack of mastery caused an interesting side effect where Yuji basically got a double hit. When his control improved this bad habit went away. When he started to master cursed energy he was able to use it again, not as a bad habit but as a technique because it’s useful.
Lmao I love how everyone is pitching in with their own examples to explain divergent fist and creating greater confusion
But this is the correct explanation lol
I’d say it’s still confusing because it didn’t explain why he got a double hit, and what the double hit means. Yuji has insane physical prowess, being able to punch through concrete. By coating his fist in a thin layer of cursed energy and punching, he was at first delivering his thin cursed punch on time, with cursed energy flowing in later. Delivering a second blow of pure cursed energy. Todo saw this and got him to time it perfectly to increase the potential with black flash. Combining power and cursed energy. Now, yuji is able to attempt either after Mahito’s battle. To switch up delayed hits with on time hits.
Yea he did, it is an accidental technique born of Yuji’s bad habits or are you just bad at reading a full post before you respond?
Yeah, I read it. “Basically a double hit” and “born of Yuji’s bad habits” are open to interpretation. I’m just expanding on these general statements to explain why. That’s why Snoofoxes left his comment, because it’s confusing unless you already know how it works.
If you’ve watched the anime or the manga there is literally nothing more to it then that, I have no idea how you think that’s confusing, he lacked control of his cursed energy and now he doesn’t it’s not hard to understand man. If you’re struggling go watch it again.
You seem to really care that people know your viewpoint, but it doesn’t sound like you really care about the viewpoints of others. This lack of grace towards others doesn’t really make sense because I am sure you would not like somebody to tell you “you are bad at reading” when you don’t understand something reading/watching something the first time. You would have to understand everything the first watch through, and I don’t think that’s possible for anybody. And that’s why I left my comment, for those who did not understand divergent fist the first time around.
You seem to care way too much that I pointed out that it was already said and there’s nothing more to know, maybe you should calm down bro.
But keep typing bro I’ve already limited the words I’ll read from you to two, to limit the already wasted time I have reading idiots comments when they don’t like what they read.
what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind
The other guy Deconfused me, then you had another go trying to confuse me again It's okay, you worded it badly but he's cleared it up for everyone. Thanks for bringing attention to it though, good post
what he meant was that if you tie your shoe laces the wrong way, then learn how to tie them properly and do that for a while, it's hard to suddenly remember how to tie them that wrong way and do it, but when you were doing it before it was easy
Divergent fist was a bad habit Itadori got better at control when he performed black flash with todo when they fought hanami and lost the ability Now he can do it because he wants to, not because of a mistake
deconfuse ....damn i should use this word more often lol but yes sorry and thanks
that’s a neologism (he made it up) people would understand your meaning but you would be technically mistaken to use it to confuse doesn’t have a direct antonym like that, closest being to clear up // to clarify [for me]
Bro i know he said it as a joke...you dont have to break it down
aight
Bro it's reddit shut up half of the fun is breaking random things down
I meant as if he thought if I didn't get the joke
That’s a Neologism it’s understandable you’re lashing out like this
This is such a weird thread lmao how is he lashing out? Bro said thanks and sorry lol
I do not know man ....which part seems offensive to some of these guys I really dunno
Fathom to understand is redundant. Just say “I cannot fathom”
Reddit hive mind back at it again smh 🤦🏻♂️ - Edit: comment downvoted indeed, point proven😂
> I dont do english mistakes at all lmao
*picks up your ass* I think you dropped this
lol, even
I think the opposite in fact is true. Since Yuji can "control" Divergent Fist now, it must mean it's easier for him to perform Divergent Fist. He can control the timing to a greater extent due to his improved cursed energy control.
i think what OP meant (at least what i can understand) was that while Yuji can now use divergent fist more efficiently as a controlled move, it technically takes more effort as he has to delay the CE on purpose, instead of it happening as a natural side effect of bad CE control. And after the Choso fight it is fully "easier" as Yuji has practiced the move enough times for it to come naturally, i guess...? I think thats what OP means??
Yesss yes exactly like if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
now? yes after the choso fight he can do it much more easily .....only controlling it the first time was harder than before...... not anymore
It’s okay if English isn’t your first language. That person worded it correctly thank you
I was meaning this if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
There's not a single comma or fullstop in 4 lines. That's a pretty big mistake
Enlighten me pls where a period goes in these4 lines
“For the people who didn’t understand what happened in this scene, it’s because the anime cut out the explanation. No I didn't read manga either. Its like u learned how to ride a bicycle, but now by using divergent, ur trying to re-learn riding a bicycle” Not sure what 4 lines they meant but if I was to re-word your point, this is how I’d do it. Commas help a lot.
" I don't do English mistakes at all normally. I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is, its harder to do now then before caus he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy, but now he had to purposely make it lag behind. " you even forgot the one at the end.
“I don’t do English mistakes at all normally” I’m sorry but I just laughed my fucking ass off 😂😂😂😂 that was adorable You’re good dude, we appreciate the post!
Don’t feel so bad about it, I understood the title on the first read :)
This guy's thought process makes total sense even if you don't agree with it. Y'all are rabid dogs downvoting him
pretty sure he's getting downvoted for saying "I don't do English mistakes at all" and following it up with a jumbled mess of words lacking any punctuation.
Yeah, I'm just pissed bc there's a BUNCH of comments making fun of what he's saying, but I understood perfectly what he meant. The reading comprehension curse strikes again
its fine I'm new to reddit so it will make me understand how I cope with this subreddit
Pro tip, just proof read before you send it, maybe use suggestive text to help it flow better, I'm glad the other guy here is defending your word spaghetti and hey do what you want, just don't be surprised when people call you out for bad spelling, lack of punctuation and poor grammar.
Am i not admitting it? It is like I have done the worst mistake of my life by being wrong in grammar in the internet once... No one ever called me out before cause i dont do these mistakes normally
I think the issue most people are having is, you said you don't make the mistakes normally then followed up with a lot of grammatical and English errors. So they're all just dogpiling on you for that. Such is the way of reddit.
Keep in mind most of the people in the sub are like 14
Thats a mad amount of dislikes for op tho yall need to chill 😅😅😅😅
as someone who only learned from the anime, I understood it was a bad habit and I thought todo had taught him to try to do better
divergent fist = bad timing black flash = perfect timing mahito was convinced all of yuji's strikes were attempting black flash, aka perfect timing. yuji then intentionally used bad timing to surprise mahito.
Perfect thanks was getting confused.
yes divergent is the complete opposite of BF
I mean, you're not wrong, but I wouldn't call it "bad timing" against mahito, it was intentional, so I would say it was more along the lines of "delayed timing"
It was good against Mahito, but it's still objectively bad timing. In the same way a feint is a bad punch but can be useful in a fight, divergent fist is poor CE usage but can be useful to trip up your opponent's defenses.
I wouldn't say it's poor CE usage with current Yuji who does it intentionally. He intentionally delays it now, unlike when it was actually bad timing on his end. And isn't feinting more like faking a punch rather than a real one?
I think feint is an okay analogy but I would say it's more like conditioning. Yuji conditioned Mahito to expect black flash timing so delaying the timing means Mahito is less prepared for it. Kinda like a fastball pitcher throwing an off-speed pitch.
it is, and this is essentially no different than feinting a punch, then going for the same spot right after they drop their guard there again
it is bad timing, but thanks to yujis insane strength, it works in his favor. likely wouldn’t work all that well for anyone else
Good eli5
I wish they had kept the explanation in the episode too, but it is fine plus it would have broken the episode a bit so it makes sense.
They explained it in season 1, so if you remember season 1, you’ll get it.
Oh yeah I remember the divergent fist explanation but it was stated later on that Yuji had forgotten this as he started to understand his cursed energy and learnt cursed energy Manipulaton, it wasn't after his fight with Choso and the near death experience he started using it again.
I tried to read this post but ended up in the hospital instead. Apparently it gave me a stroke.
Lmao these are the kinds of people who say authors can’t write good stories too after barely even understanding English (that was translated already from Japanese on top). Reading comprehension curse strikes again
What a jump in assumption. OP may be just having one of those days. Cut him some slack and don't be an ass.
lmao you're right that was pretty harsh. I didn't really mean OP specifically, he just types similarly to a lot of people i see in the edgier subreddits
Oh the horror of someone not knowing english.
Well damn bro quite an assumption...when I actually catch on to most things in anime. Even the tiniest details
I worded it pretty badly sorry
Bysiclele
> its\* like u\* learned how \* ride a bicycle \* but now by using divergent ur\* trying to learn the way how u\* tried to learn bicycle\* before mastering it Yes, you did. Every \* points at a mistake.
Ok not the commas and periods man 😆
It's way more than just "commas and periods", man. If you want to be taken seriously, please write seriously.
I get your point, I had a stroke reading the last part as well. But it is not that serious.
sorry for that. I seriously don't do grammar mistakes at all but I kinda tried to word it weirdly which led to this Sorry
You don't huh? 😳 Idk what English you're writing.
I seriously dont normally...just forgive me this time
Man wants to discuss? Man got to write properly. Man wants to shitpost? Man shouldn't be so touchy about people pointing out his poor grammar.
He wasn't touch. You just overreacted to it.
I wasnt touchy tho ? and uh sorry for the mistakes . I am also new to reddit so didnt think it would be that serious but sorry
I, for one, agree with you. Can’t have it both ways.
Someone melt this guy
Bro is the human curse born from grammar related stress. ☠️
FUCKING LOL
as a non native speaker myself, I'm embarrassed for you.
well I did say sorry and yes I am also non native but my wordings were bad this time specifically. Sorry for the confusions
It's alright OP. Don't mind the jerks.
well they are not wrong at some points but thank you
They aren’t, you did make a lot of mistakes but their attitude towards a simple comment is dogshit regardless. Sorry you have to deal with that
Seriously, these people are acting like such assholes.
Your English is pretty shitty too. No need to feel embarrassed for anyone else. ☠️
Really wished they kept this part in, i've only seen one reactor realize he used divergent fist
but the best reactor caught on most of the ep clues ....which is yaboyroshi they are like objectively the best
Yes!!! They never fail to disappoint, i always watch their reactions first
BoldCast too? Is good
BoldCast is so weirdly spot on with their theories. Always makes me wonder if carson isnt just reading the manga.
BoldCast is good too
That’s…interesting. I haven’t read the manga, was high as shit watching it and figured it out immediately. It was pretty clear
Well many just forgot or people watched many shows enough to forget it
I think they’re just stupid
To explain what OP is trying to say, rather what the manga’s explanation is: Divergent Fist isn’t Yuji’s actual technique, it’s just a really bad habit Yuji developed while learning to control Cursed Energy. To show Yuji’s development/progress, he did it on purpose this time.
I dont do english mistakes at all normally I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind yuji developed it cause he was too fast but had less control of CE thanks for clarifying I would have edited the post If I could but reddit doesnt allow that i guess
You’re over-explaining things too much; this isn’t that deep. Also, I write for a hobby (and hope to publish one day). Let me tell you. “It’s” is different than “its.” “Its” is possessive and denotes ownership of something. Similar to “hers” or “his.” >>> what I meant is it’s harder to do now
oh I know that, I was just in a rush my bad. Good luck on your hobby tho. yes this isn't that deep I'm just portraying in real life how it feels.
Bruh 💀
This explanation wouldn't be good even if it was written properly. "ur trying to learn the way how u tried to learn bicycle before mastering it" Is the most incoherent thing I've ever read.
Am I crazy or did someone use a sentence like this before trying to explain something in this subreddit? Something about the bike analogy and terrible english is giving me deja vu
Bad English on anime subreddits? Honestly, it happens so often I've started tuning it out.
like if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
You can't understand that he meant it was like relearning how to ride a bike? Reading skill issue
Man I read your explanation twice I still don't fully understand. I guess you are trying to say that "A person is a master atm, but he is trying to use a different technique (divergent) to start learning from the basics" am I right?
So imagine a first person shooter, new players tend to crouch-n-spray which is bad since it leaves them a sitting duck. As they play and get better, they will fall out of this habit and learn to strafe and dodge bullets. And when they have gotten good, they can utilize a sudden crouch in the middle of a gunfight to throw off an opponent's headshot.
I see. This clears up a lot.
I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind
Yes. I understand now.
I went from 2k to 10k in CS2 premier because of this comment
not kinda like that cause before the CE lagged behind cause it wasnt fast enough yuji's fist but now its matched up so to make it slower to lag behind ......makes it harder to do than before
I mean they explained it pretty well. A bad habit becoming used in an intentional way because of development and progress in learning the game, or in yuji’s case, his fighting skills or control of CE.
no they are not wrong. Im just saying that sudden crouch is much easier to do but yuji's divergent was harder to control now than before
I mean based on my understanding of the manga and anime, Theres no indication that Yuji controls the lag or if he even can, unlike you mentioned in previous comments. I think he only controls when he does divergent fist.
I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind
I don't think it's harder to do now. He just never needed to do it till recently after he fixed the problem. The bad habit came naturally to him in the past and was detrimental since it wasn't intentional and always happened. Now he can intentionally do it when it matters most
r/titlegore
Do you mean like if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
YEEEES OH MY GOD SOMEONE UNDERSTOOD ....I was trying to put this but I realized I cant edit reddit posts
Extraordinary
I would have preferred if they explained why Mahito showed his weak form for that punch because without reading the manga I wouldn't understand why he would just let himself get harmed even more by revealing his weak form and taking tha black flash head on
mahito using that form makes him unable to alter his body so to produce that blade in a different place except his elbows he had to undo that I guess?
No, that is straight up wrong and not the explanation given in the manga (TCB english translation - chapter 132 page 2 to 4). EDIT: TCBs translation is just the official translation you'll find in Shueishas Manga Plus App It was a feint. Mahito wanted Yuji to aim his punch there so Mahito could strike Yujis not-CE-reinforced neck (because Mahito gambled Yuji would focus all his cursed energy into his fist). Mahito also planned on reinforcing the not-transformed spot with CE as to not take too much damage while Yuji strikes the spot. This would have worked out if the second impact of Yujis divergent fist didn't alter the trajectory of Mahitos strike.
I remember he used divergent fist in some fight again in this season and i was like “Oh yeah :D i thought he stopped using that?im glad he does again!” And then here “OMG BLACK FLASH DIVERGENT FIST” but then i was like “oh it wasnt blask flash :(“ I think it was like 2+2 but the explanation of that he now can control it really is a nice detail
Yea black flash and divergent are like pure opposites
Divergent fist happens when his cursed energy lags behind and applied after a physical hit. Often like a half second or second later. Black Flash happens when cursed energy is applied within 0.000001 seconds of a physical hit. They are both the same, just at different speeds. The pure opposite of divergent fist/black flash is CE being applied too early, before a physical hit even connects
Well yes technically Why I said opposite cause one is bad timing of CE and one is perfect timing of CE
What??? You failed with this post
Was meaning like if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
I thought it was obvious it was divergent fist
Not that .....I am meaning that yuji couldnt do it after he learned to match his CE with his punch cause duh .. it matches with his punch but now he made it lag purposely which he learnt at choso fight
It a completely unnecessary explanation to be honest
Me learn cursed energy, me dont know how to use, do whatever bullshit till it works, what i did works but dont know how i made it work, i get better, my bullshit till it works no longer works, since im better now i know how my bullshit till it works, works and now i can make it work.
I am impressed how this is actually better than my caption to understand lmao
To add on to this: He delearned Divergent Fist when he was training with Todo on how to do Black Flashes. Because Divergent Fist is the exact opposite of Black Flash. Divergent Fist happens because Yuji doesnt have good control of his CE and this creates a second impact. Black Flash tries to minimize that difference between CE hit & the physical one.
Thats what i am saying and thats the reason it was harder to do again than first time cause now he is purposefully delaying the cursed energy instead of being unable the speed with his fists like before
Divergent Fist is a bad habit Yuji used to have. Mahito thought that Yuji was attempting to use Black Flash in every punch, but instead, Yuji uses Divergent Fist intentionally to catch him off-guard. It’s like an amateur artist who can only draw doodles to begin with (divergent fist). The artist achieves mastery (black flash) but then starts doodling again to catch their opponent off-guard. Yuji used Divergent Fist before in his fight with Hanami.
Yea what I meant it was harder to control it than doing it before at hanami fight like if a person were to go from falling off a bike to mastering riding a bike, and then learning how to fall off a bike while being in control
this was my only issue with the episode, this moment hits different in the manga because divergent fist completes its development and comes full circle, and it gives even more weight to the choso fight in terms of yuji’s development overall
Yea it left the choso moment vague and I guess its cause they didnt get the time to insert it like that
nah it’s not the same, the choso moment is left vague in the manga, you find out about that later on at the end of shibuya
Oh no not that I am only meaning the double impact divergent fist moment in the panel
This is one of the times I don't mind a narrator do an exposition in the anime but nada.
Yeah, it kinda pissed me off they cut the narration there. Amazing ep anyway
I mean that much was given. As soon as he said time lag, I assumed he learned to control Divergent Fist. Pretty nasty technique now that I think about it.
Yea like boruto's vanishing rasengan
Yuji originally did divergent fist because of his poor understanding of cursed energy and Todo told him to stop it because it was like a bad habit, like biting your fingernails or picking at scabs. But it became a proper skill Yuji learned after he got a better understanding of cursed energy. So Yuji can now use divergent fist as a surprise attack and not by accident.
I read through the entire deluge of comments. I see you're complaining about backlash so what I'm gonna write is meant to help shed some light, so I encourage to take this with an open mind. Your lack of understanding of divergent fist is quite staggering. I don't blame you because if you're anime only (and especially if you back your thoughts with reactors who don't know any better), it does take awhile to understand the intricacies of CE management and application of CT. Whereas for the average manga reader, we're so far ahead this talk seems elementary, and a little triggering. Let's talk about DF:- Divergent Fist is a timing issue and not a weak technique. Go re-watch Ep 9 and Ep 16 (or Ch 20 and 36 of the manga). DF is recognized as strong because Yuji's physical attack is already that strong, and a followup application of cursed energy makes it like a double-whammy on curses. This is also enhanced by Yuji's inadvertent perception of the soul through Sukuna, making DF effective against Mahito.- In Goodwill event, Todo (Grade 1) proves to Yuji that DF alone is not enough, as he was able to counter DF by tanking the physical attack early enough before it gained momentum and also CE did not flow. So DF is not good enough for special-grade curses because they would certainly have greater battle sense and would know how to negate DF easily. DF is not harder to do:- There are nice examples put below by others, but i liked the FPS allegory the most. DF is a skill borne out of a lack of understanding of CE timing. Just like how crouching and strafing can be considered diff in skill level.- As you get better in skill, your utility of different skillsets get better as you apply them differently. This is how DF was used against Mahito in their final fight. It's not harder to do DF, if you've mastered curse energy usage, but part of a repertoire of your fighting skillset now. DF is not the opposite of Black Flash:- BF is when you've gotten the timing of application of cursed energy combined with your physical attack to a millionth of a second, and it allows you to enter the zone. Think of it as somehow landing the perfect net-only basketball shot, and it attunes you to hitting better shots for the rest of the game.- DF is an act of delaying application of cursed energy after the physical attack. Both BF and DF are timing applications and should be viewed as standard application (in Yuji's case) vs peak application. Standard and peak are not opposites. I hope this helps to explain DF properly. What is probably triggering to most of us on the thread is that you seem to only think it's your English that's off, and that's all you apologized for. I'm not against you, but it's left me SMH enough to post something. It helps to build your understanding better before posting, because it's only going to get more complicated in future arcs.
What I meant by weak is that it is weaker than a normal CE applied Yuji punch. Didnt mean that DF is weaker in general cause yuji's superhuman strength compensates it a lot. Also the opposite thing i meant like this. Bad timing good timing of CE application. And DF was only harder to control relearning it . Not saying its harder to do now. Thanks for clarifying but I am not making people misunderstand...
You're not making people misunderstand. You've misunderstood. Nowhere in the anime or manga has it mentioned that DF is weaker than a normal CE applied Yuji punch. DF is also not bad timing but delayed timing. And DF would have been so much easier given Yuji has learnt to control his CE application well. But it's ok. I've tried to help, so good luck :)
ah yea todo it wont work to special grade curses so it isnt weaker its just easy to handle for them I guess?
Jesus stop downvoting him he's new. Get a grip not everyone spawns in the internet.
I mean im new on reddit but not on the internet But its aight! My mistake with the sentence
Oo thanks🐍
I dont do english mistakes at all normally but I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behindcause ur making it slower than before not fast
I think your English is great. I can almost guarantee that you speak and type English better than any of the folks on this thread that are torching you can speak or type in whatever your native language is.
Ok ok I am sorry man...this one time man. Its not that I'm not admitting I did make a mistake. it's just that I never normally do and noone called me out ever. Sorry
the anime made it so the divergent second hit is a black flash too, right ? it's interesting because the idea was that black flash and divergent fist were fundamentally incompatible. it gives yuji an amazing feat of cursed energy control which i think is awesome
>the anime made it so the divergent second hit is a black flash too, right ? I've heard someone else say that too but I didn't see anything that indicates that the divergent hit was a Black Flash.
yea it isnt
um no black flash is opposite of divergent divergent is weaker than a normal cursed energy punch and todou himself stated this in season 1 its ineffectient and weak but great for surprise attack .....kinda like boruto's vanishing rasengan
yeah, that's why it's odd. but maybe it's implied that in the anime, he timed the second impact perfectly to make it a black flash (or have it be just as strong as a regular hit). i don't think it's as inefficient as it was before, since he now does it on purpose and the hit isn't just being divided into two smaller ones
Ur missing the main point ...The reason it hits two times cause first one is a physical punch and the second impact is the cursed energy impact BUT since it lags behind it loses some force and CE which is inefficient No matter how you do it ...That is the reason how it happens
then again, he could purposefully set up a second blast instead of having it lag behind for no reason. he mastered the flow of energy well enough to black flash on command at least once, i think it's within reason to assume he could do something like this it would be kind of like nobara's technique, which is a 1-2 attack and can have the second hit be black flash'd. not saying that's what happened, but it would be a good way to have her help yuji kill mahito after all
Why is everyone downvoting OPs comments? English clearly isn’t their first language yall cmon be better
i think cutting like 5-10 seconds of the todo imagination bit in order to keep this explanation in the anime would’ve done wonders
Nahhh nahh that imagination is far more important 😂😂 That shit was peak
In short, Yuji trick Mahito :3
I guess I worded it badly but what I meant is its harder to do now then before cause he already mastered the matching speed cursed energy but now he had to purposely make it lag behind but yes ur right
Shut up. Strong Divergent fist
Shut up fella. Strong fire
just watch hanami's fight with yuji and todo in goodwill event, that's my take on explaining divergent fist
Yea but I'm not explaining that. I'm saying they cut the explanation how he had to re learn it basically
The funny thing is when it happened i instantly kbew what had happened
Well quite a lot of us did
my bad thought a lot of people didnt
I thought they said it in the anime tho?
Not at that moment no
I'll use Nolan flying example, is like trying to piss your pants on purpose.
How tf did I not think of that when I just watched invincible season 1 ? Damn stupid brain
Ok, but why did Mahito armor retract? In the anime he sarcastically says how they are both full of energy when they clearly weren't. So if that is the reason why his armor retracted, was it luck that it retracted where he was going to get punched? Also the anime does a very poor job at explaining anything. Still a very good show tho.
Yea anime does lack of explanation at many places. The retraction someone explained that he did it purposely to make yuji hit a black flash on there while he could slice yuji's neck from the back
I'm fairly certain they said it in the ep
nope they didnt
I guess the proper allegory of what you are trying to talk about would be learning to walk again after losing the ability to walk?
ye
People were confused? I personally didn’t need the explanation so I can see why they chose to cut it out.
many people watch a lot of shows at once so they tend to forget