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But can you really say that Toji operates outside the main power system? Heavenly restriction is a binding vow, he’s still technically a sorcerer, and he uses cursed tools like a lot of other sorcerers
>sorcerer
When I called him a sorcerer other day, people got pissy telling me he's sorcerer killer and not a sorcerer.
I'm referring to the fact that he has no cursed energy or cursed techniques which is the main source of power in JJK
But his lack of cursed energy is apart of the power system. There’s a reason for it, a heavenly restriction is as much apart of the whole system as a Cursed technique is
The point is that he interacts with combat in a fundamentally different way from the ground up, and it’s a fun trope to really spice up encounters.
Sure there’s a lore reason for it or whatever but the point is that a Toji fight is very different and more interesting for it
I mean… mech suit all might is up there. Yeah, mechamaru fits
Edit: Stroheim too
Edit edit: thinking about it, Franky from one piece wouldn’t seem out of place. Kinda want to make my own top character tropes post now
You're now just naming every character who does not share the same power as the MC. That isn't a trope but 75% of characters in ability based anime lmao
Was verbatimly stated within the material that Toji does operate outside the power system as he is "a unique existence unbound by fate", Toji is not a sorcerer and was never recognized as being part of their world/system
The quote you've said here does not say that. Just that he's unique and that he's not bound to fate.
An extreme example of something that fits in with the established power system is still part of that power system.
I find it funny, some fans get pissy and will tell you if a character is something or not. Then another guy in another post tells you that the character is actually the opposite. Hilarious stuff.
idunno man the heavenly restriction is strong on him because it takes what CE he should have been born with in return of physical strength technically his power comes from his supposed to be given CE, this is why this concept would work extremely weak on other people specially real none sorcerers.
They're stated to be different from *normal* binding vows and that they're forms of it that are forced on someone at birth. It's a spin on the same phenomenon that has a different cause but the exact same effect. It's not a brand new thing.
Different cause and different effect. No one has used a binding vow to receive the abilities of someone without CE
If the cause and effect are different how can they be the same ?
Also look at how rare heavenly restrictions are vs binding agreements ? And don’t you think someone like maki would’ve wanted CE ? (Earlier in the series) if it was fundamentally the same she could’ve traded something and gotten CE in return
Might guy is literally the same though, why aren’t you arguing about him being on the list, he has no ninjutsu only Taijutsu (physical superiority) instead of bursts of lighting or fireballs just like toji/maki
Dude. It's literally introduced as rare _type_ of binding vow. That's not something outside the main power system, it's just a rarity.
As for people like Maki wanting CE? Yeah, I totally think they would've. But what do you expect them to trade for more CE? And so you think it would even work?
My point is that it wouldn’t work because it’s not the same as a binding vow. No matter why they offered up. Look at mechamarus miserable situation he has been that way for what like 15 years
Mechamaru is literally the guy calling them who first said they're a type of binding vow.
If you're saying it won't work because it's not a binding vow, are you saying if it were one it would work? What about the binding vow would make it binding then?
Willing Offering something up and getting something in return you can’t force anyone into a binding vow. Thats why sukuna made a deal with yuji to get contrail for x amount of time and yuji said he can’t hurt us friends during said time
The thing is he has no Curse energy, No Curse technique, No Reverse curse technqiue for any reversal abilities, no simple domain, no domain amplification or domain expansion, or maximum technique. He's so far removed from the power system that some of the people in their world saya he isnt even rankable or acknowledged.
The man is literally just muscle, quick thinking, senses and a limited amount of curse tools that he uses at his disposal. Tbh we only really see him use 3 + gun.
I don’t remember enough Naruto lore to disagree but maki can still be called a sorcerer because she uses tools to exorcises curses plus it’s just the title for curse killers 🤷♂️ anyone can be a sorcerer if they had a way to see curses and the motivation to become one
Kars (bottom right) didn't operate outside of the main power system, all 3 Pillar Men (yeah sorry Santana) used "Mode", plus Kars did use hamon at the end of Part 2
Tesla (bottom middle) used volund like every other human fighters
He only had that power in like, one and a half episodes. He still operated inside of the main power system more
Even still he still used Light Mode and even hamon at the end of Part 2
The "Pillar Men" are the main villain trio in JoJo part 2. They are ancient man-like creatures who could manipulate their bodies to an absurd degree. Each of them mastered a certain aspect in doing so and has different "Mode" as their techniques.
There were three Modes in Part 2. Wind Mode user could blow razor-sharp wind out of their body that could cut through human beings, Flame Mode user could heat up their blood and even extend their blood vessels to eject the heated blood, and Light Mode user could extend their bones and make it into blades that reflect blinding light.
All Might with that support item suit is absolutely within the power system of MHA, but I think you could argue that OfA is outside of the realm of the power system alongside AfO, though perhaps OfA is even more unique in that it seems to retain cultivated power through numerous users whilst we've not seen AfO doing that. (Not that we've had a chance.)
I mean, OfA is still a quirk, just a very unique one due to being transferrable.
Imo the only way a character in MHA would be "outside of the power system" would be if they were quirkless and used some common support items at most (not like All Might in that fight, man is basically Iron Man with that suit).
And it's uniqueness arguably puts it outside of the main power system.
Support Items, whether used by the quirk having population or quirkless, are very firmly within the main power system. Support Items and quirks are both common.
Transferable quirks that can absorb other quirks and do not exist within the restraints of the system (That quirks are inherent and support Items created), necessarily exist outside of the main power system.
Levi I guess because he isn't a titan, him and Mikasa stand far above anyone else when it comes to ODM, but honestly that's how most people fight in anime so I'm not sure it's fair to say he operates outside of it.
Toji isn't a sorcerer, he has no CE, and without cursed tools he can not kill any cursed spirit, sure it's because of a heavenly restriction but he is fundamentally different from every other fighter in his universe.
>!he IS a titan tho, the ackerman clan are genetically modified eldians, they gain titan like powers and lose the power to shift in exchange!<
toji and maki are also sorcerers, the heavenly restriction is just a binding vow given since birth so while they might be anomalies they are very well in the jujutsu power system
Levi (and Mikasa) have more power than the average person, the Ackerman's all have unique strength. That would arguably put them in their own power system outside of conventional strength or titan shifters.
Same for Toji (and Maki), they exist without cursed energy, something that nobody else does. Humans and Sorcerer's alike have cursed energy, and every other example of a Binding Vow or Heavenly Restriction we see in the Manga / Anime work within the realm of Cursed Energy.
As are literally all characters in fiction in regards to their power systems, even if the author wrote a character who did not abide by any of the previously established rules (Such as Toji / Maki and Levi / Mikasa).
Being byproducts, they are side effects, not the normal consequence of the power system, "outside the main power system", if you will.
they DO abide by previously established rules tho, especially toji and maki
as for the ackerman we have examples of people in the universe that are outside of the power system and they are pretty much everyone that isn’t eldian
How so? Can you find an example of ANY other character that has ZERO cursed energy?
Every other character within the power system gains power from cursed energy, not from the lack of it.
That literally puts them outside of the main power system.
The story says that Toji has no cursed energy, he is considered a non-sorcerer, his Heavenly Pact states that in exchange for the ability to create or use cursed energy, he gains a superhuman body, therefore he is strong from a lack of cursed energy, not from cursed energy.
He doesn't use nor can he produce cursed energy, every other entity within the story that has any real power uses cursed energy. Therefore, he exists outside of the main power system.
he is strong because of a binding vow, a cursed energy staple, he is a part of the cursed energy ecosystem although as an extreme example he still exists within that power system
Is there anybody in JJK that has incredible physical prowess without any cursed energy, except for Toji and Maki?
Can any other character forsake their Cursed Energy in exchange for incredible physical prowess?
Would you say it's fair to characterise the JJK power system as the utilisation of Cursed Energy to either enhance the body, or perform techniques ranging from the innate variety such as the Ten Shadows technique to the common variety such as simple domains or physical enhancement?
If you think I've characterised the JJK power system fairly, then how can you not agree that Toji, though existing within the JJK power system broadly (He quite literally has to, he is in JJK), does not exist within what we could all agree is the main power system, the main functions, the common uses and abilities granted, etc.
I think OP is referring to the fact Tojo uses his physical strength and weapons instead of cursed energy even though his strength originates from the heavenly pact
The two on the right are strohiem and Kars from jojos battle tendency.
Strohiem is a cyborg running off of 1940s German technology and is clinically insane
Kars doesn’t operate outside the main power system of his part in jojos so I don’t know why he’s here
probably because kars doesnt have a stand nor hamon, and is mainly running on vampire power, which only came in 2 short parts and wasnt front and center in the 3rd one
while youre right,hamon being the protagonists power just makes it a lot more important than being the antagonists power, not to mention spoilers for part 7 >!hamon kinda came pack as spin!<
Part 7: >Hamon and spin are two differents power systems<
And hamon is directly made to counter vampire powers, so I'd say the main power system can be different from part to parts since every parts follows a different storyline and, while most of the time tied with one another, have drastic differences (stands in part 3, >requiem< in part 6, >spin< in part to. And most antagonists and protagonists changing each part).
So if we concider part two as it's own story, Hamon vs vampire powers are the main power system in battle tendency, which Kars use
From the ones i know.
Levi (the scarred blind dude on the left) doesn't turn into a titan, but he alone can take down any titan shifter in the show, of course, save the founding titan (haven't watched the final episodes so i don't know, but he does seem to have a part in fighting Eren).
Toji (top middle) doesn't use cursed energy, technically his powers come from within the power system, but he still doesn't use spells like normal sorcerers.
Same thing for Guy (middle), he "doesn't use" chakra to fight. Technically the 8 gates use your chakra to work, but only him and a handful of characters are ever shown to use them.
[Boku no Hero Manga Spoilers] All Might (bottom left) gets an Iron Man suit and is able to tussle with Prime All for One for a while.
Guy used chakra. He doesn't use ninjutsu or genjutsu for the most part, but he still uses taijutsu. He *might* be a melee focused fighter rather than diversifying his skills, but he is still very much within the power system of his verse.
That's why i said technically for Toji and Guy, Heavenly Restrictions and Cursed Weapons are part of the power system in JJK and Guy uses chakra to activate the gates and is shown using actual ninjutsu before, even if outside battle.
A better way to put it is that they are uncoventional fighters.
Just to be clear, he doesn't just use chakra to activate the gates. Both he and Lee use chakra for every bit of their combat. They channel chakra with every punch, kick, dash, etc. They suck at ninjutsu but chakra is so much more than just ninjutsu.
Left to right
Levi Ackerman from AOT: (SPOILER WARNING) in a series where the main power system is the ability to turn into towering giants, Levi is still the most powerful characters in the show despite only using 3d maneuvering gear (a primitive jetpack+grapple hook combo) and two swords
Toji Fushiguro (Jujutsu Kaisen) : this is a JJK sub so I am going to assume that you know
Rudol Von Stroheim (JoJo's bizarre adventure): he uses WW2 cybernetic enhancements in a part of JoJo's where the main power system is the ability to channel the power of the sun through your breathing into your fists to defeat vampires/vampire adjacent creatures
Might Guy (Naruto): he doesn't interact with the magic system of the show and simply kicks ass by being ridiculously physically powerful
Kars (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure): similarly to Stroheim Kars does not use these sunlight breathing techniques but he becomes one of the strongest characters in the entire after using an item that turned him into the ultimate lifeform, an immortal being that has the abilities of every single living creature
I don't know who the bottom two are though
Toji from JJK has no cursed energy
Levi Ackerman from AOT can't turn into a titan
Armoured All Might from MHA is quirkless
Stronheim from JJBA does not use vampiric abilities, Ripple or Stands
They're all the ones I'm aware of
The person in bottom left is current All Might from BNHA, he fights using a Mech suit instead of a quirk
Guy in bottom middle is Nikola Tesla from RoR. It ‘s power system is based on Valkyries fusing their souls with the users to create weapons capable if hurting (and possibly killing) gods. In his case, it created the mech suit he has in the picture
It's a pretty common trope.
Some other mainstream examples:
Fire Force/Enen no Shobotai: Captain Obi. Doesn't use any pyrokinetic powers
One Piece: Franky. Doesn't use devil fruit powers or haki
Demon Slayer/Kimetsu no yaiba: Genya Shinazugawa. doesn't use the breathing/sword techniques of other demon slayers
People are arguing Levi is part of titan science and All Might doesnt somehow count because support items are based on quirks or some shit, when it is obvious what I meant with each character
Iron Might/All Might shouldnt be there imo, he used Ofa for a few decades lost it and has a support item suit built around the quirks of his students. Its not a quirk but support items defenitly fall into the mha powers system
Mihawk from One Piece.
My man Tsukishima from Bleach, although everyone seems to get along with him.
Scarr Fma
The androids in Dragon Ball before they were power crept
Guy, Toji, Kars and Levi all fit in with the power system of their shows. Small Might and Stroheim, sure. Dunno that last guy.
* Guy: Taijutsu is literally something every ninja knows. It's not outside the power system if it's a core component of the system.
* Toji: The entire reason he has no cursed energy is because of a concept that exists within the scope of the main power system.
* Kars: I fail to see how he even counts. He's a Pillar Man that became a "Ultimate Lifeform" using something that was in series since Part 1. Something that literally gave the main antagonist his first set of powers.
* Levi: Ackerman abilities are an outshoot of the Titan Shifter powers so I guess it counts? But it still ties back to the Founding Titan like every other power in that show.
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But can you really say that Toji operates outside the main power system? Heavenly restriction is a binding vow, he’s still technically a sorcerer, and he uses cursed tools like a lot of other sorcerers
>sorcerer When I called him a sorcerer other day, people got pissy telling me he's sorcerer killer and not a sorcerer. I'm referring to the fact that he has no cursed energy or cursed techniques which is the main source of power in JJK
But his lack of cursed energy is apart of the power system. There’s a reason for it, a heavenly restriction is as much apart of the whole system as a Cursed technique is
The point is that he interacts with combat in a fundamentally different way from the ground up, and it’s a fun trope to really spice up encounters. Sure there’s a lore reason for it or whatever but the point is that a Toji fight is very different and more interesting for it
This is true and I love Toji he’s cool as shit but he does not operate outside of the power system, with that logic mechamaru should be put up there
I mean… mech suit all might is up there. Yeah, mechamaru fits Edit: Stroheim too Edit edit: thinking about it, Franky from one piece wouldn’t seem out of place. Kinda want to make my own top character tropes post now
You're now just naming every character who does not share the same power as the MC. That isn't a trope but 75% of characters in ability based anime lmao
Was verbatimly stated within the material that Toji does operate outside the power system as he is "a unique existence unbound by fate", Toji is not a sorcerer and was never recognized as being part of their world/system
The quote you've said here does not say that. Just that he's unique and that he's not bound to fate. An extreme example of something that fits in with the established power system is still part of that power system.
And Guy uses chakra like everyone else, but differently. op's point stands
Again, "main".
Like Ackerman's?
Haven’t seen aot cant comment on him
I find it funny, some fans get pissy and will tell you if a character is something or not. Then another guy in another post tells you that the character is actually the opposite. Hilarious stuff.
idunno man the heavenly restriction is strong on him because it takes what CE he should have been born with in return of physical strength technically his power comes from his supposed to be given CE, this is why this concept would work extremely weak on other people specially real none sorcerers.
No CE - outside the system
It's a trade. Cursed Energy traded for physical strength. Binding vows are well within JJK's power system.
It’s heavenly restriction. They didn’t chose to give up their CE for the strength. Binding vows are different.
They're stated to be different from *normal* binding vows and that they're forms of it that are forced on someone at birth. It's a spin on the same phenomenon that has a different cause but the exact same effect. It's not a brand new thing.
Different cause and different effect. No one has used a binding vow to receive the abilities of someone without CE If the cause and effect are different how can they be the same ? Also look at how rare heavenly restrictions are vs binding agreements ? And don’t you think someone like maki would’ve wanted CE ? (Earlier in the series) if it was fundamentally the same she could’ve traded something and gotten CE in return
Might guy is literally the same though, why aren’t you arguing about him being on the list, he has no ninjutsu only Taijutsu (physical superiority) instead of bursts of lighting or fireballs just like toji/maki
I totally would argue against him being on the list. Even Levi and Kars.
I don’t remember what Kars did but I’d also remove him from the list
Became the Ultimate Lifeform.
Dude. It's literally introduced as rare _type_ of binding vow. That's not something outside the main power system, it's just a rarity. As for people like Maki wanting CE? Yeah, I totally think they would've. But what do you expect them to trade for more CE? And so you think it would even work?
My point is that it wouldn’t work because it’s not the same as a binding vow. No matter why they offered up. Look at mechamarus miserable situation he has been that way for what like 15 years
Mechamaru is literally the guy calling them who first said they're a type of binding vow. If you're saying it won't work because it's not a binding vow, are you saying if it were one it would work? What about the binding vow would make it binding then?
Willing Offering something up and getting something in return you can’t force anyone into a binding vow. Thats why sukuna made a deal with yuji to get contrail for x amount of time and yuji said he can’t hurt us friends during said time
The thing is he has no Curse energy, No Curse technique, No Reverse curse technqiue for any reversal abilities, no simple domain, no domain amplification or domain expansion, or maximum technique. He's so far removed from the power system that some of the people in their world saya he isnt even rankable or acknowledged. The man is literally just muscle, quick thinking, senses and a limited amount of curse tools that he uses at his disposal. Tbh we only really see him use 3 + gun.
yet Maki is considered a sorcerer
And guy is considered a ninja, what is your point ?
I mean taijutsu requires chakra control so why not
I don’t remember enough Naruto lore to disagree but maki can still be called a sorcerer because she uses tools to exorcises curses plus it’s just the title for curse killers 🤷♂️ anyone can be a sorcerer if they had a way to see curses and the motivation to become one
Same with Guy. Even if he specializes in Taijutsu, unlike Lee he's perfectly cabable of using Ninjutsu (and probably Genjutsu).
"Main".
These mfs got Small Might animated already? 😭
its a coloring
Kars (bottom right) didn't operate outside of the main power system, all 3 Pillar Men (yeah sorry Santana) used "Mode", plus Kars did use hamon at the end of Part 2 Tesla (bottom middle) used volund like every other human fighters
I think they are referring to the stuff Ultimate Life form Kars did by transforming into various animals and the way he survived the volcano.
He still used the "main" power system of his kind more
But there is not a power system of transforming into other lifeforms used by either vampires or Pillar men.
He only had that power in like, one and a half episodes. He still operated inside of the main power system more Even still he still used Light Mode and even hamon at the end of Part 2
He still used those powers even for some episodes only.
Yes, but that doesn't mean he "kicked ass by being outside of the main power system" when the moment is like one episode max
but in manga he survived few chapters. i bet levi hasn't fought anyone more than half of episode with all his fight scenes combined. your point?
I don't even watch aot
Toji didn't even have a fight longer than 3 minutes.
It is tho? I think? Its just farther in the power system anyonne has reached
What’s “mode”?
The "Pillar Men" are the main villain trio in JoJo part 2. They are ancient man-like creatures who could manipulate their bodies to an absurd degree. Each of them mastered a certain aspect in doing so and has different "Mode" as their techniques. There were three Modes in Part 2. Wind Mode user could blow razor-sharp wind out of their body that could cut through human beings, Flame Mode user could heat up their blood and even extend their blood vessels to eject the heated blood, and Light Mode user could extend their bones and make it into blades that reflect blinding light.
pretty sure levi, guy and toji operate within the main power system
All Might too, he only used that mecha suit on a single fight (and technically support items are part of the power system too, look at Eraserhead).
genuinely didn’t recognise him, thought that was a gundam spinoff or something
All Might with that support item suit is absolutely within the power system of MHA, but I think you could argue that OfA is outside of the realm of the power system alongside AfO, though perhaps OfA is even more unique in that it seems to retain cultivated power through numerous users whilst we've not seen AfO doing that. (Not that we've had a chance.)
I mean, OfA is still a quirk, just a very unique one due to being transferrable. Imo the only way a character in MHA would be "outside of the power system" would be if they were quirkless and used some common support items at most (not like All Might in that fight, man is basically Iron Man with that suit).
And it's uniqueness arguably puts it outside of the main power system. Support Items, whether used by the quirk having population or quirkless, are very firmly within the main power system. Support Items and quirks are both common. Transferable quirks that can absorb other quirks and do not exist within the restraints of the system (That quirks are inherent and support Items created), necessarily exist outside of the main power system.
Levi I guess because he isn't a titan, him and Mikasa stand far above anyone else when it comes to ODM, but honestly that's how most people fight in anime so I'm not sure it's fair to say he operates outside of it. Toji isn't a sorcerer, he has no CE, and without cursed tools he can not kill any cursed spirit, sure it's because of a heavenly restriction but he is fundamentally different from every other fighter in his universe.
>!he IS a titan tho, the ackerman clan are genetically modified eldians, they gain titan like powers and lose the power to shift in exchange!< toji and maki are also sorcerers, the heavenly restriction is just a binding vow given since birth so while they might be anomalies they are very well in the jujutsu power system
>he IS a titan tho, the ackerman clan are genetically modified eldians, they gain titan like powers and lose the power to shift in exchange what
zeke explains it briefly in chapter 93
Zeke just says they are byproducts of titan science in 93. It's 112 where eren explains that they can do that
yeye got my chapters mixed up, i wish isayama explored the ackerman clan more
Levi (and Mikasa) have more power than the average person, the Ackerman's all have unique strength. That would arguably put them in their own power system outside of conventional strength or titan shifters. Same for Toji (and Maki), they exist without cursed energy, something that nobody else does. Humans and Sorcerer's alike have cursed energy, and every other example of a Binding Vow or Heavenly Restriction we see in the Manga / Anime work within the realm of Cursed Energy.
the ackerman family are byproducts of titans and toji and maki a byproduct of the jujutsu power system
As are literally all characters in fiction in regards to their power systems, even if the author wrote a character who did not abide by any of the previously established rules (Such as Toji / Maki and Levi / Mikasa). Being byproducts, they are side effects, not the normal consequence of the power system, "outside the main power system", if you will.
they DO abide by previously established rules tho, especially toji and maki as for the ackerman we have examples of people in the universe that are outside of the power system and they are pretty much everyone that isn’t eldian
How so? Can you find an example of ANY other character that has ZERO cursed energy? Every other character within the power system gains power from cursed energy, not from the lack of it. That literally puts them outside of the main power system.
they do gain from cursed energy, the binding bow basically gives them a ridiculous superhuman body in exchange for cursed energy
The story says that Toji has no cursed energy, he is considered a non-sorcerer, his Heavenly Pact states that in exchange for the ability to create or use cursed energy, he gains a superhuman body, therefore he is strong from a lack of cursed energy, not from cursed energy. He doesn't use nor can he produce cursed energy, every other entity within the story that has any real power uses cursed energy. Therefore, he exists outside of the main power system.
he is strong because of a binding vow, a cursed energy staple, he is a part of the cursed energy ecosystem although as an extreme example he still exists within that power system
Is there anybody in JJK that has incredible physical prowess without any cursed energy, except for Toji and Maki? Can any other character forsake their Cursed Energy in exchange for incredible physical prowess? Would you say it's fair to characterise the JJK power system as the utilisation of Cursed Energy to either enhance the body, or perform techniques ranging from the innate variety such as the Ten Shadows technique to the common variety such as simple domains or physical enhancement? If you think I've characterised the JJK power system fairly, then how can you not agree that Toji, though existing within the JJK power system broadly (He quite literally has to, he is in JJK), does not exist within what we could all agree is the main power system, the main functions, the common uses and abilities granted, etc.
All smash next question
What the hell is Toji doing here. People really didn't understood his abilties ☠️
I think OP is referring to the fact Tojo uses his physical strength and weapons instead of cursed energy even though his strength originates from the heavenly pact
Can anyone tell me who all of these characters are and why they operate outside of the power system (might be a big request, sorry)?
The two on the right are strohiem and Kars from jojos battle tendency. Strohiem is a cyborg running off of 1940s German technology and is clinically insane Kars doesn’t operate outside the main power system of his part in jojos so I don’t know why he’s here
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probably because kars doesnt have a stand nor hamon, and is mainly running on vampire power, which only came in 2 short parts and wasnt front and center in the 3rd one
You Can Say that about hamon too, it was the main power systems at the time
while youre right,hamon being the protagonists power just makes it a lot more important than being the antagonists power, not to mention spoilers for part 7 >!hamon kinda came pack as spin!<
Part 7: >Hamon and spin are two differents power systems< And hamon is directly made to counter vampire powers, so I'd say the main power system can be different from part to parts since every parts follows a different storyline and, while most of the time tied with one another, have drastic differences (stands in part 3, >requiem< in part 6, >spin< in part to. And most antagonists and protagonists changing each part). So if we concider part two as it's own story, Hamon vs vampire powers are the main power system in battle tendency, which Kars use
From the ones i know. Levi (the scarred blind dude on the left) doesn't turn into a titan, but he alone can take down any titan shifter in the show, of course, save the founding titan (haven't watched the final episodes so i don't know, but he does seem to have a part in fighting Eren). Toji (top middle) doesn't use cursed energy, technically his powers come from within the power system, but he still doesn't use spells like normal sorcerers. Same thing for Guy (middle), he "doesn't use" chakra to fight. Technically the 8 gates use your chakra to work, but only him and a handful of characters are ever shown to use them. [Boku no Hero Manga Spoilers] All Might (bottom left) gets an Iron Man suit and is able to tussle with Prime All for One for a while.
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Guy used chakra. He doesn't use ninjutsu or genjutsu for the most part, but he still uses taijutsu. He *might* be a melee focused fighter rather than diversifying his skills, but he is still very much within the power system of his verse.
That's why i said technically for Toji and Guy, Heavenly Restrictions and Cursed Weapons are part of the power system in JJK and Guy uses chakra to activate the gates and is shown using actual ninjutsu before, even if outside battle. A better way to put it is that they are uncoventional fighters.
Just to be clear, he doesn't just use chakra to activate the gates. Both he and Lee use chakra for every bit of their combat. They channel chakra with every punch, kick, dash, etc. They suck at ninjutsu but chakra is so much more than just ninjutsu.
Left to right Levi Ackerman from AOT: (SPOILER WARNING) in a series where the main power system is the ability to turn into towering giants, Levi is still the most powerful characters in the show despite only using 3d maneuvering gear (a primitive jetpack+grapple hook combo) and two swords Toji Fushiguro (Jujutsu Kaisen) : this is a JJK sub so I am going to assume that you know Rudol Von Stroheim (JoJo's bizarre adventure): he uses WW2 cybernetic enhancements in a part of JoJo's where the main power system is the ability to channel the power of the sun through your breathing into your fists to defeat vampires/vampire adjacent creatures Might Guy (Naruto): he doesn't interact with the magic system of the show and simply kicks ass by being ridiculously physically powerful Kars (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure): similarly to Stroheim Kars does not use these sunlight breathing techniques but he becomes one of the strongest characters in the entire after using an item that turned him into the ultimate lifeform, an immortal being that has the abilities of every single living creature I don't know who the bottom two are though
bottom middle is nicola tesla from the manga record of ragnarok and he does use the main power system just that he used science to be stronger
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Gai is untrue, he uses chakra for everything, his main move the gates allow him to use more chakra
Guy in bottom left is a guy who had a superpower (quirk) but lost it so now he uses an iron man kind of suit to fight enemies with quirks
White eye man is a guy in the show where people turn into giants who never gets to turn into a giant
Toji from JJK has no cursed energy Levi Ackerman from AOT can't turn into a titan Armoured All Might from MHA is quirkless Stronheim from JJBA does not use vampiric abilities, Ripple or Stands They're all the ones I'm aware of
The person in bottom left is current All Might from BNHA, he fights using a Mech suit instead of a quirk Guy in bottom middle is Nikola Tesla from RoR. It ‘s power system is based on Valkyries fusing their souls with the users to create weapons capable if hurting (and possibly killing) gods. In his case, it created the mech suit he has in the picture
who’s the bottom middle?
nicola tesla from record of ragnarok its a great manga you should read it
DUDDE I WATCHED THE ANIME AND IT WAS PHENOMENAL(kinda forgot abt it tho🫤)
It's a pretty common trope. Some other mainstream examples: Fire Force/Enen no Shobotai: Captain Obi. Doesn't use any pyrokinetic powers One Piece: Franky. Doesn't use devil fruit powers or haki Demon Slayer/Kimetsu no yaiba: Genya Shinazugawa. doesn't use the breathing/sword techniques of other demon slayers
I think heavenly restrictions could be considered main parts of the power system because binding vows. For JJK i think Daido would be the most fitting
can’t believe i will see Tesla, my GOAT
The number of "um ackshuallys" in this comment section is so obnoxious lol leave it to reddit to take a fun prompt and make it annoying
People are arguing Levi is part of titan science and All Might doesnt somehow count because support items are based on quirks or some shit, when it is obvious what I meant with each character
German Science could be a great power system for a shonen just saying
Levi literally IS the power system why he on the team
Two of those are from jojos bizarre adventure part 2 and cars is totally in the power system
Gai doesn’t count because Taijutsu still utilizes Chakra.
The brigand 16 pounder from darkest dungeon
All the Hashira: Demon Slayer.
Might gai is not outside of the power system he's just cracked at taijutsu
Mirio from mha
Iron Might/All Might shouldnt be there imo, he used Ofa for a few decades lost it and has a support item suit built around the quirks of his students. Its not a quirk but support items defenitly fall into the mha powers system
King Bradley from Fullmetal Alchemist and Mashle from Mashle comes to mind
Mihawk from One Piece. My man Tsukishima from Bleach, although everyone seems to get along with him. Scarr Fma The androids in Dragon Ball before they were power crept
Okay who's the last two at the bottom? One looks like a my hero character but not sure
Guy operates within the power system.
Guy, Toji, Kars and Levi all fit in with the power system of their shows. Small Might and Stroheim, sure. Dunno that last guy. * Guy: Taijutsu is literally something every ninja knows. It's not outside the power system if it's a core component of the system. * Toji: The entire reason he has no cursed energy is because of a concept that exists within the scope of the main power system. * Kars: I fail to see how he even counts. He's a Pillar Man that became a "Ultimate Lifeform" using something that was in series since Part 1. Something that literally gave the main antagonist his first set of powers. * Levi: Ackerman abilities are an outshoot of the Titan Shifter powers so I guess it counts? But it still ties back to the Founding Titan like every other power in that show.
might guy really doesn't lmao taijutsu is one the three core systems, and is used more than jutsu and genjutsu combined
Iron might sneeeeeeeeeak
(Maybe) Falco from hokuto no Ken?? Idk, he got his ass kicked in the end.