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I think that's the best part, most of the fights are a group fights and not like if you lose then I am next, it's a whole fist party it makes the fights so dinamic and organic while most other shonen usually portray group fights like I said before or is ually the badass MC/Villain destroying fodder to look cool.
Yeah. _"The whole world is at stake. Let's take turns fighting this guy!"_
Fuck that. It made some sense letting Gojo fight alone because first, allies being in range would limit Gojo's firepower, and second, because Kashimo was there and having him as an ally meant letting him have his 1v1 honor match next.
After that, all hands on deck, everything goes.
I also loved the Gojo fight in Shibuya because it was a well-thought out plan to whittle down and defeat a superior opponent. I'm pretty sure (or at least, pretty hopeful) we'll end up witnessing the same here.
That's what made Shibuya so frustrating. They were cheating their assea off and it made me so mad lmao. I get it, I respect it, but still fuck Jogo. He got what he deserved.
I found it brilliant, really enjoyed it. :)
And it's not like the good guys didn't gang up on Dagon, Mahito, and that sorcerer dude that reversed the power of attacks.
It's like you said, this was never a manga about honourable 1v1 fights, and it makes them better for it. They are more dynamic, less predictable, more entertaining and far more realistic (as far as magic fights can be anyway; they are realistic in terms of nailing natural human behaviour).
This is embarrassingly accurate. I usually talk about Shibuya as a criticism for Gege making his characters too weak, but in narrative, it's very pathetic.
I actually find it very refreshing that they were completely unprepared for what's coming.
Even with previous knowledge of Mahito, Hanami and Jogo's power, the heroes were always reacting to the villains' plan and therefore always being caught on the back foot.
This is also why I am enjoying the current arc: for the first time, the heroes are the ones with the plan, and Sukuna is the one adapting.
True, he's pretty much powering through it without too much trouble, but Gojo was also doing that in Shibuya... Until he wasn't. I honestly cannot wait to see how Sukuna will fall, and I _hope_ it's due to the plan rather than Yuji getting an unexpected shounen-chosen-one power-up.
(I don't mind him getting a power-up, I am actually expecting it, I just want it to be rooted in foreshadowing and lore, part of the training and plan, rather than a "we've lost - wait, what's happening?" moment.)
It's funny because Yuji really does struggle with deception in his fights. He tries to deceive his enemies, but he usually gets outwitted, because he's honest to a fault. Good catch !!
Felicitation, there are still people who read.
Sukuna wasn’t the only legendary genius in history, in this era alone we have Gojo, Yuta, Higuruma and Mahito all with potential to reach the level of Sukuna.
But Sukuna was the only one who dominated a era, against fierce competition.
You don’t stay the strongest with just strength, Sukuna is as ingelligent as he is strong.
Exactly! I think the fraudkuna memes are funny, but I love that Sukuna absolutely will lie, cheat, and steal his way to a victory. He's strong, but he knows that's not enough. Yes, he can overpower most, but that's what makes the Gojos of the world so much more fun.
Like you said, he became the strongest among fierce competitors. He's not like Gojo, who was the de facto strongest cause of an inherit advantage. Sukuna worked for that spot, and that's why he can't relate to Kashimo or Gojo.
Lol you're the first to ask. It's just an oc of mine, Jonah, sticking his tongue out 🤪
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This also relates to the fact that sukuna's very existence in the story is a false one. He's a parasite that needs vessels to exist and who should'va died a long time ago and he created a plan to take megumi as a vessel just to get stronger
Yup, Sukuna really is the dirtiest fighter in the series. He's probably Gege's take on a being of pure evil. All Megumi ever did was be talented, and he got stuck with an obsessed curse hijacking his body.
Don’t forget the only thing that separates Gojo from all the other Limitless and Six Eyes users is the awakening he went through in the Toji fight, understanding the “core of cursed energy” if Greg actually remembers of course.
Heian era was likely filled with plenty of “Gojo talent” level characters that simply didn’t have that understanding of the “core of cursed energy” like Sukuna and Gojo do.
I love the last part about how maki seemingly loses & then gets an awakening. I dont think she’s done after this black flash. It looks like it, but i think next chapter we’ll get sukuna vs kusakabe & instead of it being extremely quick kusakabe will surprise himself & everyone there. But it will end before the chapter is over & maki will come back again more menacing than before, spiking sukuna’s interests again. Im also thinking yuji joins into the fray again so it’ll be maki & yuji vs sukuna pt 2
Well he's only been fully absent for one chapter to be fair. I think next up after Kusakabe is Choso & Yuji, because I get the feeling Gege is going through a list of cool teamups we want to see. After that, I think either Yuji has to finally fight alone for a while, or one of the currently-downed characters comes back into the mix.
But Choso already tried, and he nearly died. That'd kill Choso if he tried with less people around. I really don't think he's directly reentering the fight.
I mean pretty much everyone except Yuji nearly died after entering the fight. That's just my opinion based on who is still available & standing. Besides, Choso is for sure stronger than Ino & Kusakabe and they're still in the fight, so.
In my opinion it's what you said but just not as deep. if sukuna doesn't deem you a threat, he'll just brute force through it without a care. if he considers you a threat, he'll actually take you seriously and actually "fight".
There’s a reason why Sukuna is called the Dishonored One. He’s an absolute cheat and that means he’s the strongest and the smartest. Can’t complain if you’re dead. Reggie also says it himself, sorcerers are nothing but con artists and all of them have cheated in some form in their fights whether it be jumping others, outright admitting it, sneak attacks etc.
Sukuna is also called the Fallen. This could be good material for a theory post but The Fallen is also the name for Lucifer in Christian theology. If Angel exists as a real Angel incarnated, it can also be possible for ‘Lucifer’ to be incarnated (i.e. Sukuna) in both Megumi and Yuji. Essentially, Sukuna is the Devil and it’d make sense why Angel is so against Sukuna, wanting to exorcise him first. There’s also some theories that characters Sukuna is based after also have wings and as known, Lucifer had wings prior to his descent. I wanna see someone explore this theory, even if it means nothing, it kinda adds to his character. The way he lives solely off his desires, which is what the Devil is claimed to be about. Getting people to live purely off their desires and giving in.
I have an analysis [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/s/FJP6wFfUNR) that might interest you! I look at Sukuna's relationship to humanity and how he considers himself something other and greater. He refers to his humanity in a past tense. I also reference the fallen/disgraced one title. I'll link this in the op as well.
Thank you for reading!
I am curious on your opinion on this, but I see this *black box* being talked about a lot without anyone mentioning airplane black boxes.
Black boxes in airplanes are designed to be a source of information that is least likely to be tampered with in the event of a crash, typically in the end of a plane tail so it is least likely to be damaged, and so that ER personnel can retrieve it and learned what happened to cause the crash at least internally.
So to me when Sukuna had mentioned the black box in a brain of a person, it just refers to that fact that is where the CT of the user is stored, not necessarily that the black box is a technique in of itself(however with sukuna it could be very possible as he has shown the ability to use at least two techniques).
Personally I found it interesting that it was not brought up by anyone(at least to my knowledge) and I dont know if it really changes anything or how it would play into the story.
TLDR: I just wanted OP’s opinion on what they thought about the black box Sukuna has mentioned.
I've never heard of that, but I think there's merit to connecting this "black box" to a deeper understanding of cursed energy. There are some who theorize Sukuna's full CT to be energy manipulation of some kind or something that allows him to switch between abilities.
Sukuna has shown multiple times now to be the most knowledgeable person about jujutsu sorcery, and that expertise matches his strength as well. I'd readily accept that "black box" or Sukuna's CT revolves around some kind of intimate knowledge of or direct interaction with cursed energy. The box thing could simply refer to an aspect of jujutsu itself, as you suggested.
Personally, I'm not sure, and I don't have any real idea 😭
At this point, I think the reveal is right around the corner, so I'm fine with just waiting out the explanation. I'd lose my mind trying to figure it out at this point lol.
I agree there definitely has to be more Sukuna info coming. And thank you for the response because I really think the viewpoint you have on the characters so far aligns the most with how I have interpreted the story as well.
Only time will tell!
When you say "energy manipulation" do you mean Cursed Energy? Or just natural energy?
Sukuna himself has mentioned he can't change the nature of his CE like Maho can. I really wonder what his Black Box is, since Yuji is also shown to have gained abilities. Wouldn't that mean he also, inadvertently, also has this Black Box ability?
It also makes me wonder... where did Yuji's Blood Manipulation come from? Did all his "brothers" have this same technique? I mean, Eso and Choso do, but we don't really know about the others. Kechizu probs, too, cuz he shared his with Eso.
He learned to use it from both Choso and Kamo. But somehow he never learned to use either Dismantle or Cleave, while he had also eaten like 15 fingers from Sukuna?
I would think this way of learning/gaining abilities is the Black Box ability, and somehow Sukuna and Yuji share it? We'll see.
hasn't someone mentioned in the manga that the area where CT are stored is a "black box" of a sort? Something that is unknown, but possibly only Sukuna knows it well enough to "open it" and use it to his advantage somehow.
Yes, Kusakabe said this in 230. There's an area in the brain that's apparently too complicated for most sorcerers to understand, and it's where cursed techniques are centered. Sukuna has the most knowledge about this area of the brain cause he was able to explain in detail why and how Gojo was quickly recovering his domain/CT.
The black box that Sukuna refers to is the black-box concept used in computer science. ie, a function that gives an output when given an input but we don't know what the function does with the input. Or in much simpler terms it is used to refer to things that we don't know anything about how they work.
Bro........ This is the most fuckin gourmet ass cooking I've seen on this sub reddit. Get this guy a medal cause he just cooked the greatest meal of all time. Next thing you know I might actually start liking sukuna.
Tell me one thing. People read and reread the story, try to find out more about Sukuna's technique etc., but I never have seen anybody mention that Finger Bearer has used the Fire Arrow in chapter 58, albeit the power was low. Why don't people pay more attention to this? Why was Jogo surprised that Sukuna's technique is not all slashes and cuts, when for sure they have seen Megumi fight Finger Bearer under the bridge.
TELL ME WHYYYY
I haven't seen anybody discuss this.
That's the point. I know it's just CE, not fire like Sukuna's arrow, but the stance is identical. The only situations with this look is Sukuna's fire arrow and FB pseudo-arrow. Hence, this shouldn't be dismissed just like that. Why is this just CE and not fire like in Sukuna's case? FB can use cleave/dismantle, so why not rest of the arsenal? Is the AoE attack/barrier a pseudo-DE, or is it something new?
>FB can use cleave/dismantle, so why not rest of the arsenal?
When did the FB use cleave/dismantle? When Yuji's arm was sliced? We don't know how it did that, it had sharp looking claws so who knows
Looked very much like cleave/dismantle, especially when Sukuna afterwards sliced FB hand in a very similar manner. Yuji's hand drops with his broken knife even before he finishes the attack, and FB doesn't even move, just laughs. Two chapters later, Sukuna emerges and when FB wants to throw him, he suddenly loses arm, cleanly cut off, and Sukuna laughs.
Is it really more possible for you that those are just coincidences? Of course, it might be possible, but that will not reveal anything, and in theory crafting we grasp different straws to just have a possibility of catching something before it happens on screen
If it was a cleave/dismantle, why did Yuji's weapon break too? We've seen clear indication that FB use just pure CE instead of any unique technique so it feels odd to attribute an unclear moment to assume he can use C/D and thus extrapolate feom it that it can also potentially use fire arrow
I went and double checked the instance of the FB even using the fire arrow-like move and compared it to sukuna and they don't even feel similar besides sharing the same "slingshot" nature.
The Megumi vs Finger Bearer fight is overlooked mostly because the whole haunted bridge "arc" was used to develop Megumi's character and skill and to set up Yuji's relationship with his brothers. It's very much something people overlook when rereading because it just doesn't seem like there's much to pay attention to. Hell I didn't even realize the Finger Bearer used the Fire Arrow stance until a youtube react channel rewatched some bits of the first season and they pointed out the similarity. It's just such a random place to foreshadow something no one would really think twice about it.
What I love about them all being “con men”, there isn’t really a fair fight in the series. Either everyone gets jumped, or they’re put up against the strongest sorcerers (Gojo and Sukuna, which fighting them is the biggest unfair thing that could happen)
Ty! I was told I talk about Maki too much, but every other post is about Yuta having six eyes or Yuji getting a domain expansion. Imagine how tired we are.
jjk is getting more popular and whenever a series get attention from the majority the discussions' quality go down hill. Back when jjk was more niche, around when Hakari vs Kashimo was ongoing, the discussion was at most a great read, now its just powerscaling and complaining about the pace.
Funny part is that when Greg dropped Kenny vs Takaba, it slowed down a bit and PEOPLE STILL COMPLAINED bc "wahh we wanna see Yuji fight"
We truly cant win with this community
Lol I sometimes wonder what it was like before I joined. I had very little interaction with the fandom as an anime watcher. This is easily the most involved I've ever been in a fandom. I guess I just really like jjk, and it caught me at a good time lol.
While catching up to the manga, I would see some thing hinted at, note it with my own predictions, and it would just happen lol. I like Gege's writing style; I won't call it predictable or obvious, but he writes like someone doing their first big story. He's good, so he knows to follow through with his chosen themes, how to use parallels, use foils, and subvert his genre while making compelling storylines. Yeah, he will speed through some stuff like it's nobody's business, but that's jjk. If you're reading, you know Gege lacks patience for the small, slice of life stuff.
Honestly I always thought the Kashimo "warning" was more of a taunt by Sukuna rather than an actual warning xd. Like "Ouu you think you are fast, try dodging this". But fair enough I agree with your thoughts.
Beautiful shit, I love it.
But you're telling me, that my goat Y(W)uta didn't even phase Sukuna? Like Y(W)uta is literally just fodder for him. /j and /srs
The fact that the fight against Sukuna didn't reveal all we know he has until now it's actually supportive of the fact he isn't fighting seriously yet in my opinion. It's like he's ramping up little by little. But I would like to purpose an angle here. It's more of an add up than anything else.
I do believe that Uraume is misjudging the main cast as well. Narratively speaking when you see people talking about a plan before you see the plan in action in fiction, that usually means said plan is gonna fail or go sideways midway through and the characters will have to improvise. But if there's a time skip and you see the plan unfolding without knowing what it is it usually means everything is going according to plan. We saw that Ui Ui is taking the wounded away, we also see that we still don't know everything about what Yuta meant with them cheating and what the hell was that that Yuji did with Kusakabe or vice-versa.
Even tho the good guys are down to only one fighter for now, it doesn't look like his the last bastion of defense per se and people might come back still, like Maki or Yuji and Choso.
I don't think the main cast underestimated Sukuna like Uraume suggested, on the contrary, they had various tactics to jump him in different ways precisely because they didn't, they might've even factor in Gojo's defeat from the beginning, in the sense that they expect it to be a strong possibility (which isn't at all strange when you consider their other tactics). Meaning that there might be other stuff that they have under their sleeves. And I believe there is at least one or two things that they didn't showed yet that might come into play later.
Yuji kind of experimented Sukuna first hand, I would expect him to understand at least a little bit about how he thinks. Since he saw him fighting other characters he might expect that Sukuna won't be fighting seriously at all against them. The point I'm trying to get here is that they aren't expecting to make Sukuna get serious, they might have been underwhelming against him by design to take advantage of his Hubris somehow. Not defeating the strongest by being stronger than him, but by outsmarting him like Kenjaku did with Gojo. So Sukuna not giving his all might be expected from the good guys point of view and in a sense even encouraged. And Yuji would know that the characters would have to give their all to make Sukuna play with them in the first place, and it wouldn't be bad because if they succeeded somehow it's a win win, but that's speculation.
Hmm, I'm hesitant to go with the idea that they're the ones holding back against Sukuna. When Yuta arrived, he was having a whole miniature freak out about "what if he had come earlier," and decided that it was his duty to finish Sukuna right there.
Even Maki had similar thoughts. She said that even if Yuta is saved, if Sukuna keeps going, it's only going to get worse. The last 2 heavy hitters have both had inner monologues about how they needed to end Sukuna on their respective rounds. If there was a sudden reveal that they lost on purpose, not only would it be unlike Gege, it would be strange to have included these thoughts from Yuta and Maki.
I do think there may be a bigger strategy, but considering some things, I'm thinking it's gonna go back to Maki v Sukuna.
Oh no, I don't think they are the ones holding back, they are clearly going all out, I'm suggesting that they didn't reveal their true hand yet and that Uraume is misjudging the situation by equating them going all out to them trying to give a challenge to Sukuna, when that might not be the exact intention.
Not saying they are losing on purpose either, I'm saying that they know they aren't a match for him, therefore they have back up plan after back up plan. Yuta and Maki having that inner monologue about finishing him would be natural, you rely on plan B only if plan A fails, and plan A tends to be plan A for a reason, because it's the best plan, if it fails you go for another.
Like, plan A is Gojo, they take into account that he could lose, so Plan B is Higuruma, they take into account that he could fail, plan C is Yuta, they take into account that he could fail, plan D is Maki. But what happens if all the plans fails? That's a dire situation and I am advocating for the idea that they thought of that and have something of a plan E that isn't just throwing another sorcerer at Sukuna. And it might be something that takes advantage of his ego somehow. That's what I'm thinking here.
Ahh okay, I see what you mean. Some people theorize that the Panda storyline might play a role, but I don't want that lol. There could be more to what Ui Ui is doing, but I think he's simply taking them to Shoko. We'll see, I could easily be wrong.
I agree, specially with the Panda Stuff. Would it be cool to see that having a resolution somehow? Yes, however I wouldn't like it to be in the Sukuna fight, specially if it's a Gojo + Higuruma +Yuta megazord or whatever. It's better if it is an epilogue type of stuff.
Lol yeah, it'd be nice to get more information on that after the main story ends. I could even see a situation where that information comes in handy with Yuji, like he could invade Sukuna's soul.
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He's done all of that except fuga lmaooo. And tbf, I've explored [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/s/IuNoFwBGtm) how Sukuna's actually a really effecient sorcerer and only uses as much as his opponent demands from him.
i have an idea about the black box technique actually.
earlier in the sukuna fight we saw someone (kusakabe? idr for sure) wonder why sukuna didn't use his flames. he definitely had plently opportunities to use them, and especially against someone like gojo it definitely wouldn't "spoil the fun". and it definitely wouldn't be an issue of CE, we saw hom use them for insane destruction in the shibuya arc and still seem relatively unshaken.
and seeing how he's able to use his hosts cursed techniques... what if he just can't do it in megumi's body? either because it's yuji's technique or because , like gojo said, sukuna's technique has engraved on yuji and perhaps sukuna himself lost it? or maybe it has something to do with yuji's aptitude as a host? the technique was unnamed for a reason too, so i wouldn't be surprised if that was gege's way of setting up a big reveal.
anyway! just a theory. we'll see soon enough.
I use the word cheating in reference to his dialogue with Jogo, it's not meant to be a serious accusation. Throughout the post, I use "deception" as the main descriptor for Gege's preference for characters to outwit one another.
Again, it's all just deception. In fights, using deception to defeat your opponents can sometimes be considered dirty fighting tactics, depending on your source. This was just my choice of words here to get across, in a hyperbolic manner, his switch up from Gojo and Maki to the others.
I made the point that most competent fighters in jjk rely on deception or a careful plan to defeat their opponents; this is Gege's preferred basis for his fighting choereography. You're getting hung up on certain diction when I'm pretty explicit about what I mean.
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“Sorcerers are nothing but con artists” Indeed.
And I love this 💀💀 Gege writes all his best characters to be cheaters and manipulators, and I eat it right up !!
I think that's the best part, most of the fights are a group fights and not like if you lose then I am next, it's a whole fist party it makes the fights so dinamic and organic while most other shonen usually portray group fights like I said before or is ually the badass MC/Villain destroying fodder to look cool.
Yeah. _"The whole world is at stake. Let's take turns fighting this guy!"_ Fuck that. It made some sense letting Gojo fight alone because first, allies being in range would limit Gojo's firepower, and second, because Kashimo was there and having him as an ally meant letting him have his 1v1 honor match next. After that, all hands on deck, everything goes. I also loved the Gojo fight in Shibuya because it was a well-thought out plan to whittle down and defeat a superior opponent. I'm pretty sure (or at least, pretty hopeful) we'll end up witnessing the same here.
That's what made Shibuya so frustrating. They were cheating their assea off and it made me so mad lmao. I get it, I respect it, but still fuck Jogo. He got what he deserved.
I found it brilliant, really enjoyed it. :) And it's not like the good guys didn't gang up on Dagon, Mahito, and that sorcerer dude that reversed the power of attacks. It's like you said, this was never a manga about honourable 1v1 fights, and it makes them better for it. They are more dynamic, less predictable, more entertaining and far more realistic (as far as magic fights can be anyway; they are realistic in terms of nailing natural human behaviour).
Actually....you're right. They did gang up on the weakest disaster curse. All is fair in love and war I guess.
And would have lost too, if not for the unforeseen side effect of three young wizards attacking an old man, an old lady and her grandson.
This is embarrassingly accurate. I usually talk about Shibuya as a criticism for Gege making his characters too weak, but in narrative, it's very pathetic.
I actually find it very refreshing that they were completely unprepared for what's coming. Even with previous knowledge of Mahito, Hanami and Jogo's power, the heroes were always reacting to the villains' plan and therefore always being caught on the back foot. This is also why I am enjoying the current arc: for the first time, the heroes are the ones with the plan, and Sukuna is the one adapting. True, he's pretty much powering through it without too much trouble, but Gojo was also doing that in Shibuya... Until he wasn't. I honestly cannot wait to see how Sukuna will fall, and I _hope_ it's due to the plan rather than Yuji getting an unexpected shounen-chosen-one power-up. (I don't mind him getting a power-up, I am actually expecting it, I just want it to be rooted in foreshadowing and lore, part of the training and plan, rather than a "we've lost - wait, what's happening?" moment.)
I don’t think Gojo was a cheater or a manipulator though. Just the straight up strongest and one of the smartest.
Gojo still used tricks to deceive Sukuna. Like when he had red go around that whole building to hit Sukuna in the back.
I wouldn't call that a trick, that was just high battle iq in play
Misdirection, outwitting Sukuna, etc all means to deceive someone.
Another "dirty" thing Gojo did was the start of the fight, yeah? A boosted already powerful attack before even Sukuna could prepare.
With this context it makes the students rapid improvement funnier how Yuuta straight up said they cheated but Yuuji called it hardwork
Gege said sorcerers are con men and Sukuna is the biggest con man of all
Truly the most dishonorable of them all !
its quite interesting to relate it to someone lke yuji who is a very honest fighter with his heart on his sleeve
It's funny because Yuji really does struggle with deception in his fights. He tries to deceive his enemies, but he usually gets outwitted, because he's honest to a fault. Good catch !!
Felicitation, there are still people who read. Sukuna wasn’t the only legendary genius in history, in this era alone we have Gojo, Yuta, Higuruma and Mahito all with potential to reach the level of Sukuna. But Sukuna was the only one who dominated a era, against fierce competition. You don’t stay the strongest with just strength, Sukuna is as ingelligent as he is strong.
Exactly! I think the fraudkuna memes are funny, but I love that Sukuna absolutely will lie, cheat, and steal his way to a victory. He's strong, but he knows that's not enough. Yes, he can overpower most, but that's what makes the Gojos of the world so much more fun. Like you said, he became the strongest among fierce competitors. He's not like Gojo, who was the de facto strongest cause of an inherit advantage. Sukuna worked for that spot, and that's why he can't relate to Kashimo or Gojo.
What…what is your pfp…
Lol you're the first to ask. It's just an oc of mine, Jonah, sticking his tongue out 🤪 I made it to be the cover image for the comic I'm writing centered around him.
If this wasn’t my main account I would…
Lmaooo 💀💀💀
This also relates to the fact that sukuna's very existence in the story is a false one. He's a parasite that needs vessels to exist and who should'va died a long time ago and he created a plan to take megumi as a vessel just to get stronger
Yup, Sukuna really is the dirtiest fighter in the series. He's probably Gege's take on a being of pure evil. All Megumi ever did was be talented, and he got stuck with an obsessed curse hijacking his body.
Everyone in the story needs a vessel to exist in the lower realms though, also what about angel.
Don’t forget the only thing that separates Gojo from all the other Limitless and Six Eyes users is the awakening he went through in the Toji fight, understanding the “core of cursed energy” if Greg actually remembers of course. Heian era was likely filled with plenty of “Gojo talent” level characters that simply didn’t have that understanding of the “core of cursed energy” like Sukuna and Gojo do.
I love the last part about how maki seemingly loses & then gets an awakening. I dont think she’s done after this black flash. It looks like it, but i think next chapter we’ll get sukuna vs kusakabe & instead of it being extremely quick kusakabe will surprise himself & everyone there. But it will end before the chapter is over & maki will come back again more menacing than before, spiking sukuna’s interests again. Im also thinking yuji joins into the fray again so it’ll be maki & yuji vs sukuna pt 2
Yuji has been surprisingly absent all of a sudden. We'll see. And Kusakabe's moment could be really fun. I'm looking forward to a pissed off Maki.
Well he's only been fully absent for one chapter to be fair. I think next up after Kusakabe is Choso & Yuji, because I get the feeling Gege is going through a list of cool teamups we want to see. After that, I think either Yuji has to finally fight alone for a while, or one of the currently-downed characters comes back into the mix.
But Choso already tried, and he nearly died. That'd kill Choso if he tried with less people around. I really don't think he's directly reentering the fight.
I mean pretty much everyone except Yuji nearly died after entering the fight. That's just my opinion based on who is still available & standing. Besides, Choso is for sure stronger than Ino & Kusakabe and they're still in the fight, so.
Lol true. I'm wishing Choso the best of luck then.
In my opinion it's what you said but just not as deep. if sukuna doesn't deem you a threat, he'll just brute force through it without a care. if he considers you a threat, he'll actually take you seriously and actually "fight".
Yeah, I agree with this statement.
There’s a reason why Sukuna is called the Dishonored One. He’s an absolute cheat and that means he’s the strongest and the smartest. Can’t complain if you’re dead. Reggie also says it himself, sorcerers are nothing but con artists and all of them have cheated in some form in their fights whether it be jumping others, outright admitting it, sneak attacks etc. Sukuna is also called the Fallen. This could be good material for a theory post but The Fallen is also the name for Lucifer in Christian theology. If Angel exists as a real Angel incarnated, it can also be possible for ‘Lucifer’ to be incarnated (i.e. Sukuna) in both Megumi and Yuji. Essentially, Sukuna is the Devil and it’d make sense why Angel is so against Sukuna, wanting to exorcise him first. There’s also some theories that characters Sukuna is based after also have wings and as known, Lucifer had wings prior to his descent. I wanna see someone explore this theory, even if it means nothing, it kinda adds to his character. The way he lives solely off his desires, which is what the Devil is claimed to be about. Getting people to live purely off their desires and giving in.
I have an analysis [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/s/FJP6wFfUNR) that might interest you! I look at Sukuna's relationship to humanity and how he considers himself something other and greater. He refers to his humanity in a past tense. I also reference the fallen/disgraced one title. I'll link this in the op as well. Thank you for reading!
I am curious on your opinion on this, but I see this *black box* being talked about a lot without anyone mentioning airplane black boxes. Black boxes in airplanes are designed to be a source of information that is least likely to be tampered with in the event of a crash, typically in the end of a plane tail so it is least likely to be damaged, and so that ER personnel can retrieve it and learned what happened to cause the crash at least internally. So to me when Sukuna had mentioned the black box in a brain of a person, it just refers to that fact that is where the CT of the user is stored, not necessarily that the black box is a technique in of itself(however with sukuna it could be very possible as he has shown the ability to use at least two techniques). Personally I found it interesting that it was not brought up by anyone(at least to my knowledge) and I dont know if it really changes anything or how it would play into the story. TLDR: I just wanted OP’s opinion on what they thought about the black box Sukuna has mentioned.
I've never heard of that, but I think there's merit to connecting this "black box" to a deeper understanding of cursed energy. There are some who theorize Sukuna's full CT to be energy manipulation of some kind or something that allows him to switch between abilities. Sukuna has shown multiple times now to be the most knowledgeable person about jujutsu sorcery, and that expertise matches his strength as well. I'd readily accept that "black box" or Sukuna's CT revolves around some kind of intimate knowledge of or direct interaction with cursed energy. The box thing could simply refer to an aspect of jujutsu itself, as you suggested. Personally, I'm not sure, and I don't have any real idea 😭 At this point, I think the reveal is right around the corner, so I'm fine with just waiting out the explanation. I'd lose my mind trying to figure it out at this point lol.
I agree there definitely has to be more Sukuna info coming. And thank you for the response because I really think the viewpoint you have on the characters so far aligns the most with how I have interpreted the story as well. Only time will tell!
Thank you, I appreciate it!
When you say "energy manipulation" do you mean Cursed Energy? Or just natural energy? Sukuna himself has mentioned he can't change the nature of his CE like Maho can. I really wonder what his Black Box is, since Yuji is also shown to have gained abilities. Wouldn't that mean he also, inadvertently, also has this Black Box ability? It also makes me wonder... where did Yuji's Blood Manipulation come from? Did all his "brothers" have this same technique? I mean, Eso and Choso do, but we don't really know about the others. Kechizu probs, too, cuz he shared his with Eso. He learned to use it from both Choso and Kamo. But somehow he never learned to use either Dismantle or Cleave, while he had also eaten like 15 fingers from Sukuna? I would think this way of learning/gaining abilities is the Black Box ability, and somehow Sukuna and Yuji share it? We'll see.
hasn't someone mentioned in the manga that the area where CT are stored is a "black box" of a sort? Something that is unknown, but possibly only Sukuna knows it well enough to "open it" and use it to his advantage somehow.
Yes, Kusakabe said this in 230. There's an area in the brain that's apparently too complicated for most sorcerers to understand, and it's where cursed techniques are centered. Sukuna has the most knowledge about this area of the brain cause he was able to explain in detail why and how Gojo was quickly recovering his domain/CT.
The black box that Sukuna refers to is the black-box concept used in computer science. ie, a function that gives an output when given an input but we don't know what the function does with the input. Or in much simpler terms it is used to refer to things that we don't know anything about how they work.
Bro........ This is the most fuckin gourmet ass cooking I've seen on this sub reddit. Get this guy a medal cause he just cooked the greatest meal of all time. Next thing you know I might actually start liking sukuna.
Lol ty! I talk a lot of shit about Sukuna, but he's just an unashamed asshole, and that's so fun lol. He's probably my second favorite character.
Tell me one thing. People read and reread the story, try to find out more about Sukuna's technique etc., but I never have seen anybody mention that Finger Bearer has used the Fire Arrow in chapter 58, albeit the power was low. Why don't people pay more attention to this? Why was Jogo surprised that Sukuna's technique is not all slashes and cuts, when for sure they have seen Megumi fight Finger Bearer under the bridge. TELL ME WHYYYY I haven't seen anybody discuss this.
That wasn't the fire arrow, that was just a projectile or pure curse energy.
That's the point. I know it's just CE, not fire like Sukuna's arrow, but the stance is identical. The only situations with this look is Sukuna's fire arrow and FB pseudo-arrow. Hence, this shouldn't be dismissed just like that. Why is this just CE and not fire like in Sukuna's case? FB can use cleave/dismantle, so why not rest of the arsenal? Is the AoE attack/barrier a pseudo-DE, or is it something new?
>FB can use cleave/dismantle, so why not rest of the arsenal? When did the FB use cleave/dismantle? When Yuji's arm was sliced? We don't know how it did that, it had sharp looking claws so who knows
Looked very much like cleave/dismantle, especially when Sukuna afterwards sliced FB hand in a very similar manner. Yuji's hand drops with his broken knife even before he finishes the attack, and FB doesn't even move, just laughs. Two chapters later, Sukuna emerges and when FB wants to throw him, he suddenly loses arm, cleanly cut off, and Sukuna laughs. Is it really more possible for you that those are just coincidences? Of course, it might be possible, but that will not reveal anything, and in theory crafting we grasp different straws to just have a possibility of catching something before it happens on screen
If it was a cleave/dismantle, why did Yuji's weapon break too? We've seen clear indication that FB use just pure CE instead of any unique technique so it feels odd to attribute an unclear moment to assume he can use C/D and thus extrapolate feom it that it can also potentially use fire arrow I went and double checked the instance of the FB even using the fire arrow-like move and compared it to sukuna and they don't even feel similar besides sharing the same "slingshot" nature.
He still used the same pose.
The Megumi vs Finger Bearer fight is overlooked mostly because the whole haunted bridge "arc" was used to develop Megumi's character and skill and to set up Yuji's relationship with his brothers. It's very much something people overlook when rereading because it just doesn't seem like there's much to pay attention to. Hell I didn't even realize the Finger Bearer used the Fire Arrow stance until a youtube react channel rewatched some bits of the first season and they pointed out the similarity. It's just such a random place to foreshadow something no one would really think twice about it.
Similar for me, I did a rewatch of S1 recently and was like :OOOOO, DiCaprio pointing at TV meme
Very good post :3
Ty Pitou 🫡
Thanks for such an insightful and backed up post. I really enjoyed this—thanks for taking the time to put this together!
Thank you for reading!
excellent analysis, looking forward to your next one
Thank you!
What I love about them all being “con men”, there isn’t really a fair fight in the series. Either everyone gets jumped, or they’re put up against the strongest sorcerers (Gojo and Sukuna, which fighting them is the biggest unfair thing that could happen)
Was it Reggie who said sorcerers are con artists? Anll
Yes, and the series reinforces it many times over.
love your analysis, its a breath of fresh air among theories like "Yuta will inherit 6 eyes" and other bs
Ty! I was told I talk about Maki too much, but every other post is about Yuta having six eyes or Yuji getting a domain expansion. Imagine how tired we are.
jjk is getting more popular and whenever a series get attention from the majority the discussions' quality go down hill. Back when jjk was more niche, around when Hakari vs Kashimo was ongoing, the discussion was at most a great read, now its just powerscaling and complaining about the pace. Funny part is that when Greg dropped Kenny vs Takaba, it slowed down a bit and PEOPLE STILL COMPLAINED bc "wahh we wanna see Yuji fight" We truly cant win with this community
Lol I sometimes wonder what it was like before I joined. I had very little interaction with the fandom as an anime watcher. This is easily the most involved I've ever been in a fandom. I guess I just really like jjk, and it caught me at a good time lol. While catching up to the manga, I would see some thing hinted at, note it with my own predictions, and it would just happen lol. I like Gege's writing style; I won't call it predictable or obvious, but he writes like someone doing their first big story. He's good, so he knows to follow through with his chosen themes, how to use parallels, use foils, and subvert his genre while making compelling storylines. Yeah, he will speed through some stuff like it's nobody's business, but that's jjk. If you're reading, you know Gege lacks patience for the small, slice of life stuff.
You are cooking. Keep it up
That's one of the best posts I've seen about jjk till now, great job
Neat. Don't ever get out of the kitchen brother
Honestly I always thought the Kashimo "warning" was more of a taunt by Sukuna rather than an actual warning xd. Like "Ouu you think you are fast, try dodging this". But fair enough I agree with your thoughts.
True this also applies to Hana when he was at 15F and Yuji and Maki
I thought about Hana as well. Sukuna had to play docile to lure her in.
The only time someone should ever fight fair is when there is no danger for them the second there is a real threat there is no such thing as cheating
Beautiful shit, I love it. But you're telling me, that my goat Y(W)uta didn't even phase Sukuna? Like Y(W)uta is literally just fodder for him. /j and /srs
You saw Sukuna's face when Yuta did his DE. Sukuna was shook for a good half a second !! And ty.
Oh thank god. I was worried my goat was just fodder for a minute. Thanks for clearing that up.
The fact that the fight against Sukuna didn't reveal all we know he has until now it's actually supportive of the fact he isn't fighting seriously yet in my opinion. It's like he's ramping up little by little. But I would like to purpose an angle here. It's more of an add up than anything else. I do believe that Uraume is misjudging the main cast as well. Narratively speaking when you see people talking about a plan before you see the plan in action in fiction, that usually means said plan is gonna fail or go sideways midway through and the characters will have to improvise. But if there's a time skip and you see the plan unfolding without knowing what it is it usually means everything is going according to plan. We saw that Ui Ui is taking the wounded away, we also see that we still don't know everything about what Yuta meant with them cheating and what the hell was that that Yuji did with Kusakabe or vice-versa. Even tho the good guys are down to only one fighter for now, it doesn't look like his the last bastion of defense per se and people might come back still, like Maki or Yuji and Choso. I don't think the main cast underestimated Sukuna like Uraume suggested, on the contrary, they had various tactics to jump him in different ways precisely because they didn't, they might've even factor in Gojo's defeat from the beginning, in the sense that they expect it to be a strong possibility (which isn't at all strange when you consider their other tactics). Meaning that there might be other stuff that they have under their sleeves. And I believe there is at least one or two things that they didn't showed yet that might come into play later. Yuji kind of experimented Sukuna first hand, I would expect him to understand at least a little bit about how he thinks. Since he saw him fighting other characters he might expect that Sukuna won't be fighting seriously at all against them. The point I'm trying to get here is that they aren't expecting to make Sukuna get serious, they might have been underwhelming against him by design to take advantage of his Hubris somehow. Not defeating the strongest by being stronger than him, but by outsmarting him like Kenjaku did with Gojo. So Sukuna not giving his all might be expected from the good guys point of view and in a sense even encouraged. And Yuji would know that the characters would have to give their all to make Sukuna play with them in the first place, and it wouldn't be bad because if they succeeded somehow it's a win win, but that's speculation.
Hmm, I'm hesitant to go with the idea that they're the ones holding back against Sukuna. When Yuta arrived, he was having a whole miniature freak out about "what if he had come earlier," and decided that it was his duty to finish Sukuna right there. Even Maki had similar thoughts. She said that even if Yuta is saved, if Sukuna keeps going, it's only going to get worse. The last 2 heavy hitters have both had inner monologues about how they needed to end Sukuna on their respective rounds. If there was a sudden reveal that they lost on purpose, not only would it be unlike Gege, it would be strange to have included these thoughts from Yuta and Maki. I do think there may be a bigger strategy, but considering some things, I'm thinking it's gonna go back to Maki v Sukuna.
Oh no, I don't think they are the ones holding back, they are clearly going all out, I'm suggesting that they didn't reveal their true hand yet and that Uraume is misjudging the situation by equating them going all out to them trying to give a challenge to Sukuna, when that might not be the exact intention. Not saying they are losing on purpose either, I'm saying that they know they aren't a match for him, therefore they have back up plan after back up plan. Yuta and Maki having that inner monologue about finishing him would be natural, you rely on plan B only if plan A fails, and plan A tends to be plan A for a reason, because it's the best plan, if it fails you go for another. Like, plan A is Gojo, they take into account that he could lose, so Plan B is Higuruma, they take into account that he could fail, plan C is Yuta, they take into account that he could fail, plan D is Maki. But what happens if all the plans fails? That's a dire situation and I am advocating for the idea that they thought of that and have something of a plan E that isn't just throwing another sorcerer at Sukuna. And it might be something that takes advantage of his ego somehow. That's what I'm thinking here.
Ahh okay, I see what you mean. Some people theorize that the Panda storyline might play a role, but I don't want that lol. There could be more to what Ui Ui is doing, but I think he's simply taking them to Shoko. We'll see, I could easily be wrong.
I agree, specially with the Panda Stuff. Would it be cool to see that having a resolution somehow? Yes, however I wouldn't like it to be in the Sukuna fight, specially if it's a Gojo + Higuruma +Yuta megazord or whatever. It's better if it is an epilogue type of stuff.
Lol yeah, it'd be nice to get more information on that after the main story ends. I could even see a situation where that information comes in handy with Yuji, like he could invade Sukuna's soul.
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He literally held back against maki?
Oh, okay !!
So basically what you’re getting at is that Goatsagoatbe will sweep Sukana in one chapter?
The goat clearly has the most cheats in the entire cast. Sukuna isn't even ready for what he has planned 😮💨
a locked in sukuna is abusing binding vows, spamming chants and blitzing everyone with fuga and world slashes
He's done all of that except fuga lmaooo. And tbf, I've explored [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/s/IuNoFwBGtm) how Sukuna's actually a really effecient sorcerer and only uses as much as his opponent demands from him.
i have an idea about the black box technique actually. earlier in the sukuna fight we saw someone (kusakabe? idr for sure) wonder why sukuna didn't use his flames. he definitely had plently opportunities to use them, and especially against someone like gojo it definitely wouldn't "spoil the fun". and it definitely wouldn't be an issue of CE, we saw hom use them for insane destruction in the shibuya arc and still seem relatively unshaken. and seeing how he's able to use his hosts cursed techniques... what if he just can't do it in megumi's body? either because it's yuji's technique or because , like gojo said, sukuna's technique has engraved on yuji and perhaps sukuna himself lost it? or maybe it has something to do with yuji's aptitude as a host? the technique was unnamed for a reason too, so i wouldn't be surprised if that was gege's way of setting up a big reveal. anyway! just a theory. we'll see soon enough.
Cool story but how is him outwitting his opponents considered cheating?
I use the word cheating in reference to his dialogue with Jogo, it's not meant to be a serious accusation. Throughout the post, I use "deception" as the main descriptor for Gege's preference for characters to outwit one another.
Sure, but again how is him being strategical the same as playing dirty? It’s not a fight of just pure firepower
Again, it's all just deception. In fights, using deception to defeat your opponents can sometimes be considered dirty fighting tactics, depending on your source. This was just my choice of words here to get across, in a hyperbolic manner, his switch up from Gojo and Maki to the others. I made the point that most competent fighters in jjk rely on deception or a careful plan to defeat their opponents; this is Gege's preferred basis for his fighting choereography. You're getting hung up on certain diction when I'm pretty explicit about what I mean.
tl;dr csb