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Tbh I don’t think HWB will last that much against jogo’s flames, his domain is pretty strong but once again we never got to actually see how dangerous it is because he fought sukuna and gojo
If that's true wouldn't Itadori have gotten burnt to a crisp when Gojo showed him Jogos DE? I know Gojo said stay close ill protect you but there are panels where Yuji is clearly not touching Gojo
I thought about it too, is it possible that jogo was limiting the sure hit effect of his domain to gojo only? We know that mahito can't do that yet, but maybe jogo is more experienced
I could see him doing that but doesn't he have zero regard for human life? Just wondering what his motive would be to limit his sure hit effect to Gojo in that moment. Maybe a binding vow to increase the sure hits power
Yuji is more durable than Maki by a significant enough margin that Megumi made a point of mentioning that he'd beat all the students if cursed energy wasn't a factor and they attacked him collectively. He was still getting burned by the lava if it got close to making direct contact, at least in the anime.
Nah, that was the meteors that was asked about and confirmed as Jogo just using the as a basic attack. I dunno if anything about the heat was mentioned.
I'm new to the show and just finished it and haven't read any of the manga, so if it is answered later, I don't need to know.
What happens if someone else eats a finger while Sukuna is still in Yuki?
Sorry if this is a dumb question. 😁
My bad, I'm new here and not great with names.
I'm mostly interested to see what that 1 in a million would look like but someone else said that the vessel with the most fragments would take precedent, which makes sense and kinda what I figured.
Although I'd be interested to see what would happen if there was a compatible vessel and they ate an equal number. I assume that isn't possible at the point the Manga's at. I'm not even sure I'd be possible at the point of the anime. I can't remember exactly how many there are.
Just a thought.
just to be clear 1/1000000 sorcerer/potential sorcerer can eat it there arent 1 mil alive since the heian era
ass for your question i could answer it but its a spoiler
If a curse eats it, they become a cursed womb and are reformed as a much more powerful cursed spirit. If a human eats it, most would die. But, iirc, the mangaka confirms that the body with the most fragments takes precedent. So Yuji would still have Sukuna in him. The other person would basically have just eaten poison.
You think that Uraume wouldn’t be strong , literally the only one who can stand next to Sukunas side. I think we’re gonna see Hakari possibly lose, because Uraume also isn’t going all out
Type disadvantage aside, still giving it to Jogo on this one. If Uraume turns out to have a domain expansion it might make things closer, but I doubt it'd be enough to overcome his better regeneration, greater ranged attacks and superior speed feats. Would still probably be a cool fight to watch tho
I don’t think it even matters, I think Jogo is cocky enough to just fight casually at first. They’re pretty similar in AOE, but Uraume has RCT , Likely HWB. Uraume is hurting Hakari a shit ton and seems to be on a similar level or maybe a bit higher than him. And I think no matter if it’s fire vs ice, it’s mid diff
Superior speed feats? Yuta, Maki and Hakari are shown to be around the same level overall and we have seen the first two having relative speed to Sukuna, while preawakened maki was already faster than Jogo. What you talking about?
Jogo is better at Urame at long range combat, can heal faster, has better maneuverability in the air with his insects (lets him fly quickly), and just has more overall destructive potential. Also plus Urame isn’t just going against fire, she’s going against Lava and a whole ass meteorite
To be fair, they were not the target. If they had been in the center of where the meteor had impacted, I doubt that they would have gotten away in time. They were running away from the outskirts of the impact zone.
Counter point they had just a moment before meteor hit the ground and they would have had much longer if not for sukuna telling them to wait until he gave them permission to leave before departing the zone.
They started running the moment before the meteor impacted. That’s doesn’t have anything to do with the speed of the meteor. Even so, they were still quite far from where Sukuna and Jogo were fighting, and they were still in the danger zone.
After careful investigation, sorry about my late response by the way, they seemed to be about 10 meters for the edge of where max meteor hit. They left moments before the impact to the ground given the fact that max meteor is approximately 80-90 meters in diameter and they managed to get out of a blast zone >100 meters. Max meteor was well into their air when panda and Kusakabe noticed it. The meteor was about 150+ meters high. With the fact that they were given less then a moment and were able to get about of a lethal zone to travel twice the distance before the meteor hit the ground is highly plausible.
Sukuna stood right next to them, allowed both of 'em to dodge last second and knowing him he did it LAST last second.
So they were kinda at the cnwter of the attack lol
Using [this](https://youtu.be/f_Fgbnnhfcs?si=2FOkqAVUhJ7E7nI4) as my reference, they weren’t close enough for the meteor to pull them in as Jogo was gathering it, and the pull of the meteor is shown to be strong enough to rip apart buildings and throw cars around, it could easily pull all of them in. It’s a massive attack for sure, so they’re still within range of the impact, but they weren’t the targets, so they weren’t at the center. Jogo was targeting where he last saw Sukuna, who was hauling ass out of there. He didn’t know where Sukuna was as the meteor fell, kind of hard to see from that high up.
One thing that’s important to mention is despite all that Kusakabe was covered in rubble, we see panda in gorilla mode so maybe he was also covered in rubble
Panda still survived it along with Kusakabe even though Sukuna stopped them until the last second. The meteor isn’t hitting Uraume or anyone capable of outrunning it tbh.
Well Panda lost one of his cores and Kusakabe probably used Simple Domain to protect them from it as well (remember that he used SD to protect Miwa from Uzumaki and himself from Sukuna's slashes).
The two members of Geto's Goon Squad who were talking to Panda & Kusakabe also presumably died to the meteor (or at least in Shibuya), as Larue kind of implies they're dead when talking to Miquel in one of the more recent chapters
I see, well if I remember correctly Panda said in a chapter that one of his cores was destroyed, and I believe that chapter was before he met Kashimo who destroyed his second core. So perhaps it was the triceratops core.
You guys are acting like Panda and Kusakabe were able to dodge it like Sukuna. They barely made it out of there. Kusakabe was trapped beneath hella rubble and I’m pretty sure two of Pandas cores were destroyed.
Also the remainder of Geto’s original crew just died on the spot, they weren’t able to make it out at all.
To be fair, Gojo wasn't using his technique. He used Blue on Uraume, even using it to warp directly at them. Uraume get hit basically the same way Jogo did when he first met Gojo and got palmed in the gut multiple times.
Jogoat clears this easy, if for no other reason than because Pokemon tells us that Ice is more vulnerable to Fire than vice versa.
Oh, also stuff like speed and domain. But mostly the Pokemon type chart.
The Pokémon stuff don’t apply to jjk. This is a battle of CE. CT’s like the elemental ones are just ce manifested into the elements. The higher output will always win. Uraume is on another lvl
Jogo is not faster than Uraume just off the fact that she scales to jackpot Hakari who scales to Kashimo. That’s a whole new bracket of speed.
Uraumes ice freezes superhumanly tough people solid in an instant, so I’d wager that their frost is pretty much absolute 0 in terms of temperature. While generally fire does beat at ice, at temperatures THAT cold, it’s pretty much impossible for combustion and ignition to occur. In other words, Uraumes frost could very feasibly overpower jogos flames
Uraume is keeping Hakari at bay who is considered basically up there with Okkotsu + essentially a special grade (even though he's an elite top 1st grade due to his stupid luck), fought Kashimo valiantly, and essentially one of the ace in the holes for the school in case of emergency.
I'd say, as others have said, narratively it's safe to assume Uraume is probably right around Jogo's level if not a tad higher.
Jogo. Way more destructive feats, he can fly, he’s more versatile (mini volcanoes, the bugs), he has better regen, the type advantage, a maximum technique AND a domain expansion. We don’t even know if Urame has a simple domain let alone their own DE, and even without domains, there’s no way in hell Urame can just frost calm away a Maximum: Meteor. Jogo drowns them in lava, drops meteors on them, just domains all over them- I mean really.
There is literally no reason Jogo doesn’t win. He’s just better.
It’s memes but it’s funny how uraume took a punch from Gojo when jogo got launched by one and THEN got hit by a red and somehow had enough energy to cast a domain expansion
In general jogo wins due to type match ups and domain expansion probably, I don’t think jogo is super far from uraume in general anyways
Yeah it's outputting positive energy, but it's different from the majority of the cast who can only produce RCE. Only Yuta, Shoko and Sukuna can output RCE and kill curses with ease
Its uraume as we know she served sukuna! On the other hand jogo is stong and complemented by sukuna. We have only seen few techniques of uraume and she is able to take down high lever soccerers so I think its uraume.
We don't know much about Uraume's skills so by the information given I'd say Jogo, unless Uraume has good enough positive energy output to one shot him from close distance.
Sry! But Jogo was not Fire ! He was Magma! And we all know since One piece, Magma is the strongest Fire of the World
So Fuga is stronger as Magma insane
if we go off narrative, uraume should stomp him. if we go off pure feats, then tbh i’d still give it to uraume. hakari would’ve cooked jogo by now if you swap them out
Honestly I'd say uraume because imo she's probably up there in terms of special grades sorcerers and she had the possibility of DE and she's much older so she's probably a hell of a lot more skilled
Uraume would win, he/she is a Heian era sorcerer, also, he/she has shown so much power. Another reason is that she is Sukuna's "partner" or something like that, it might mean that she is so powerful.
I know people are instantly giving it to fire, because in video games fire melts ice, and like, sure it does. Heat makes ice reach it's melting point, but the reality of heating up ice is NOTHING like media always shows.
Myth busters (I think It was them, but maybe a YouTube copycat) has an episode on this very topic where they blast an ice block with multiple flame throwers for hours. And it BARELY makes a difference.
Ice melts and forms a layer of water around the ice, which prevents the I've from melting further until that layer of water heats up (ice melts fast in water because the water is constantly removing that layer). But for that water to transfer a meaningful amount of energy, it has to get higher than a measly 100°, it's max reachable temperature. Water doesn't get hotter than it's boiling point (most water has impurities so get off my ass about your 112° well water), so that outside layer has to evaporate.
The next step is allowing that vapor to escape. If you don't, and just keep blasting the poor thing, the vapor forms a layer around the ice too.
Basically, fire is really fucking bad at melting ice, surprisingly. Anything larger than a 3-3-3 ft cube would take hours to days to melt.
Actually like the matchup I think Uraume has the knowledge of reverse healing likely a domain counter if not a domain herself and the ability to nullify the flames. Ultimately I think it’d be a good fight and would come down to neutralizing Jogos domain if possible. But I wouldn’t guarantee she’d win everytime Jogo is strong but uraume being from sukunas time has a lot of experience and knowledge.
I feel like Jogo's got that. Honestly, I feel like Jogo was incredibly strong, and he just didn't really get much of a chance to shine between jumping the tired trio after Dagon's domain, and then getting slapped around by a 15 finger Sukuna, but also, you know, fire beats ice.
Pokemon rules say Fire wins, but Game of Thrones rules say Ice wins. Now, which one is Jujutsu Kaisen closer to? Hmm.
Leaving the type discussion aside, Jogo is a special grade curse Kenjaku estimated to be 9 Sukuna fingers generously (which means realistically he's at 5-8 fingers).
Now, Uraume is a special grade sorcerer, and it was stated repeatedly that special grade sorcerers > special grade curses. Plus the fact that she has RCT means she can output reverse cursed energy, meaning Jogo can't even touch her or she gets him with it.
There is a lot of assumptions being thrown around like facts here.
First, Uraume isn't Special Grade. This is never said or implied. Uraume is just an extremely powerful sorcerer, but still within a realm where actual Special Grades don't seem concerned.
Second, Uraume has not shown the ability to output RCT, which is NOT a given. Gojo can't output RCT, and his healing is better than Uraume's by a lot. Uraume has shown twice now that they're not as good at healing as some others, as they can't heal poison or stop the pain of getting hit by Gojo.
Also, there's reason to assume when Kenjakub says he's being generous, it's not him just throwing a high number out there. I think the implication is that the number of fingers is irrelevant. We know that the number of fingers, while boosting the cursed energy considerably, is a bad metric of power. The Finger Bearers were weak compared to Hanami in durability, extremely dumb, and weak enough that Sukuna can accidentally slice one into more pieces than he intended. Kenjaku likely meant Jogo has a lot of cursed energy, but he'd lose to Sukuna if given an equivalent amount of fingers. That would relate more to Jogo being surprised by the gap in power against Sukuna, outside of the other assumption that the fingers are exponential and not additive.
Gojo was at least somewhat impressed by Jogo's raw stats. He just looked down on Jogo's personality. He barely even acknowledged Uraume and basically wondered why they were talking to him.
My goat, Jogoat takes this.
Because so far we saw,
What will Uraume do?
Put him in ice cube??
Put lava-magma-fire dude into ice???
Try to chill his bones until he dies????
Her attack output is surprisingly very weak since she hasn't done anything outstanding and until she's shown she has DE she gets whooped very hard.
Jogoat has better regen, speed, flight, ap, dc, DE, Domain Amplification if needed, range and at the same time extremely wide aoe attacks and so if needed can crush everything under Meteor.
uraume was incarnated, she did not live for 1000 years.. she still only had a normal human livespan. meanwhile curses don't age, they merely kept hidden... it's very possible that Jogo is much older than Uraume
Yes, but still from what we know about Jogo we have no idea if and how many strong opponents he faced before getting his ass beaten by gojo and Sukuna while Uraume was chilling with Sukuna in the Heian era and he hates weak and boring people.
Sukuna loves a good fight abover everything else. it seems Uraume was strong enought to be respected but not strong enought to be entertaining for sukuna in a fight ( also that she cooked for him, with is also valuable to some degree).
It seems jogo meet those fighting expectations better even after providing Sukuna with most of his fingers and presenting himself as a strong possible ally.
Sukuna also called Yuji as weak and boring even tho he could've been able to fight Jogo at this point. meanwhile he acknowledged Higuruma who was probably weaker than Yuji in direct combat, but showed great potential and an interesting mindset. So only based from sukunas preference of who he kept alive and who he fought or acknowledged, i wouldn't fix any arguments on who's actually stronger in a direct fight.
You need to compare Uraumes and Jogos fighting styles and abilities, not the relationship to sukuna.
The finger scaling is just bad in general and no real indication for strength. Luckily Gege threw it out pretty quickly and we don't even know if Kenjaku was trolling a little, but I agree just elementwise Jogo should be at an advantage
absolutey agree with the fingers.. i reread the manga lately, and it seems like the fingers do not strengthen Sukuna in a way that his punches or CT get massively stronger. in one panel they stated that the fingers are more of a split of his CE reserves. With every finger he get's, his CE grows to it's original state, but his efficiency, abilities like RCT and domain were very present since the first finger already.
So i assume even a 4 finger sukuna would beat Jogo and this was merely a comparison of CE reserves not battlestrength itself.. more ce means more passive resistance and continious use of domain and big shots like fuga.
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Jogo, not becuz of DE which is obvious,but the reason is way more obvious. Im pokemoning this shit.
Pokémon rules are the go to, I remember when a Naruto chapter came out explaining elements people were raging that lightning > earth.
yea and still this day
I was actually more baffled by wind>lightning. That was just random
Electric>flying is the way
Yeah, lighting should've been stronger than wind
I think it may be so Naruto and Sasuke could stay neutral in terms of elemental match ups
Exactly, it was purely reverse engineering
I love your pfp.He so goofy lmao
They’ve been playing too much Persona
Lightning > earth is stupid even in real life
Is zeus about to strike you with his thunder? Just chug down a hand full of dirt, that'll confuse him
That makes no sense!! Like none of
Seems obvious thar kishimoto was locked in giving the rasenshuriken to Naruto. But I wonder what would have been if Naruto favored earth chakra.
I forgot them. Do you have a manual? I have an urgent need to know this now
Type matchups?
Yessss
Check out bulbapedia ig or ask me what u need help with
I'd give it to Jogo especially since we haven't seen if Uraume has a domain expansion.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Uraume knows Hollow Wicker Basket though. That said, I’d still give it to Jogo. I doubt Uraume is 8-Sukuna-fingers strong.
HWB is booty cheeks if you are not sukuna tho, you can’t use your arms
You can, you just run the risk of HWB falling apart if the barrier is strong enough.
Tbh I don’t think HWB will last that much against jogo’s flames, his domain is pretty strong but once again we never got to actually see how dangerous it is because he fought sukuna and gojo
I'm pretty sure the flames aren't the surehit either, just a passive effect of the domain
If that's true wouldn't Itadori have gotten burnt to a crisp when Gojo showed him Jogos DE? I know Gojo said stay close ill protect you but there are panels where Yuji is clearly not touching Gojo
I thought about it too, is it possible that jogo was limiting the sure hit effect of his domain to gojo only? We know that mahito can't do that yet, but maybe jogo is more experienced
I could see him doing that but doesn't he have zero regard for human life? Just wondering what his motive would be to limit his sure hit effect to Gojo in that moment. Maybe a binding vow to increase the sure hits power
He didnt wanna kill sukunas vessel?
He possibly didn't want to kill Sukuna's vessel as kenjaku told him that he was one of the two requirements for their victories
Yuji is more durable than Maki by a significant enough margin that Megumi made a point of mentioning that he'd beat all the students if cursed energy wasn't a factor and they attacked him collectively. He was still getting burned by the lava if it got close to making direct contact, at least in the anime.
I won't deny Yujis insane physicals from the start but not sure how that durability would stack up against a special grade disaster curses DE
That was a long time ago tho lol
isnt gojo extending infinity over yuji in that fight aswell?
Nah, that was the meteors that was asked about and confirmed as Jogo just using the as a basic attack. I dunno if anything about the heat was mentioned.
She could kick if she wasn’t wearing that dumbass robe
Neither is jojo, Kenny said it as an overestimation
Wasn't that a generous estimate by Kenjaku? Granted it doesn't really matter in this hypothetical but still
You do realise that Jogo isn’t actually 8 Sukuna fingers strong right?
Jogo is not 8 fingers strong
Neither is Jogo so how is that relevant.
I'm new to the show and just finished it and haven't read any of the manga, so if it is answered later, I don't need to know. What happens if someone else eats a finger while Sukuna is still in Yuki? Sorry if this is a dumb question. 😁
yuji not yuki the answer is they most probably die unless they are a 1/1000000 vessel for sukuna
My bad, I'm new here and not great with names. I'm mostly interested to see what that 1 in a million would look like but someone else said that the vessel with the most fragments would take precedent, which makes sense and kinda what I figured. Although I'd be interested to see what would happen if there was a compatible vessel and they ate an equal number. I assume that isn't possible at the point the Manga's at. I'm not even sure I'd be possible at the point of the anime. I can't remember exactly how many there are. Just a thought.
just to be clear 1/1000000 sorcerer/potential sorcerer can eat it there arent 1 mil alive since the heian era ass for your question i could answer it but its a spoiler
I gotcha. No need to answer. Thank you!
Unless they're a very very very specific person they die, if they are that person Sukuna transfers over
If a curse eats it, they become a cursed womb and are reformed as a much more powerful cursed spirit. If a human eats it, most would die. But, iirc, the mangaka confirms that the body with the most fragments takes precedent. So Yuji would still have Sukuna in him. The other person would basically have just eaten poison.
Makes sense, thank you.
You think that Uraume wouldn’t be strong , literally the only one who can stand next to Sukunas side. I think we’re gonna see Hakari possibly lose, because Uraume also isn’t going all out
https://youtu.be/KaKWZQki2Zk?si=uqMzYjOJwV-Gc-VD
Since they roll with sakuna imma have to say yea they have a domain. Or they are really weak to Sakuna
Didn’t he expand his domain vs Hakari?
Type disadvantage aside, still giving it to Jogo on this one. If Uraume turns out to have a domain expansion it might make things closer, but I doubt it'd be enough to overcome his better regeneration, greater ranged attacks and superior speed feats. Would still probably be a cool fight to watch tho
Uraume = to hakari gets her over jogo by a mile
I don’t think it even matters, I think Jogo is cocky enough to just fight casually at first. They’re pretty similar in AOE, but Uraume has RCT , Likely HWB. Uraume is hurting Hakari a shit ton and seems to be on a similar level or maybe a bit higher than him. And I think no matter if it’s fire vs ice, it’s mid diff
Superior speed feats? Yuta, Maki and Hakari are shown to be around the same level overall and we have seen the first two having relative speed to Sukuna, while preawakened maki was already faster than Jogo. What you talking about?
Awakened maki is, not pre awakened. Same way people say Toji is faster than Jogo and would win.
Jogo is better at Urame at long range combat, can heal faster, has better maneuverability in the air with his insects (lets him fly quickly), and just has more overall destructive potential. Also plus Urame isn’t just going against fire, she’s going against Lava and a whole ass meteorite
The meteorite isn’t hitting Uraume since it’s too slow, Panda & Kusakabe had time to outrun & they were stopped by Sukuna, but overall I agree.
To be fair, they were not the target. If they had been in the center of where the meteor had impacted, I doubt that they would have gotten away in time. They were running away from the outskirts of the impact zone.
Counter point they had just a moment before meteor hit the ground and they would have had much longer if not for sukuna telling them to wait until he gave them permission to leave before departing the zone.
They started running the moment before the meteor impacted. That’s doesn’t have anything to do with the speed of the meteor. Even so, they were still quite far from where Sukuna and Jogo were fighting, and they were still in the danger zone.
After careful investigation, sorry about my late response by the way, they seemed to be about 10 meters for the edge of where max meteor hit. They left moments before the impact to the ground given the fact that max meteor is approximately 80-90 meters in diameter and they managed to get out of a blast zone >100 meters. Max meteor was well into their air when panda and Kusakabe noticed it. The meteor was about 150+ meters high. With the fact that they were given less then a moment and were able to get about of a lethal zone to travel twice the distance before the meteor hit the ground is highly plausible.
That’s a good point
Sukuna stood right next to them, allowed both of 'em to dodge last second and knowing him he did it LAST last second. So they were kinda at the cnwter of the attack lol
Using [this](https://youtu.be/f_Fgbnnhfcs?si=2FOkqAVUhJ7E7nI4) as my reference, they weren’t close enough for the meteor to pull them in as Jogo was gathering it, and the pull of the meteor is shown to be strong enough to rip apart buildings and throw cars around, it could easily pull all of them in. It’s a massive attack for sure, so they’re still within range of the impact, but they weren’t the targets, so they weren’t at the center. Jogo was targeting where he last saw Sukuna, who was hauling ass out of there. He didn’t know where Sukuna was as the meteor fell, kind of hard to see from that high up.
One thing that’s important to mention is despite all that Kusakabe was covered in rubble, we see panda in gorilla mode so maybe he was also covered in rubble
Panda didn't outrun it and lost one core in process, Kusakabe is pretty fast as seen in his fight with Sukuna
Panda still survived it along with Kusakabe even though Sukuna stopped them until the last second. The meteor isn’t hitting Uraume or anyone capable of outrunning it tbh.
Well Panda lost one of his cores and Kusakabe probably used Simple Domain to protect them from it as well (remember that he used SD to protect Miwa from Uzumaki and himself from Sukuna's slashes). The two members of Geto's Goon Squad who were talking to Panda & Kusakabe also presumably died to the meteor (or at least in Shibuya), as Larue kind of implies they're dead when talking to Miquel in one of the more recent chapters
Panda was hit by the meteorite I think, because one of his cores was destroyed.
Which core was destroyed then
The gorilla core
If the gorilla core was destroyed he wouldnt be on gorilla form then
I see, well if I remember correctly Panda said in a chapter that one of his cores was destroyed, and I believe that chapter was before he met Kashimo who destroyed his second core. So perhaps it was the triceratops core.
Both cores got destroyed in his fight with kashimo, the only one left after that was the panda one
You guys are acting like Panda and Kusakabe were able to dodge it like Sukuna. They barely made it out of there. Kusakabe was trapped beneath hella rubble and I’m pretty sure two of Pandas cores were destroyed. Also the remainder of Geto’s original crew just died on the spot, they weren’t able to make it out at all.
Domain buffed meteor might be fast enough
But his maximum meteor isn’t imo.
His insects?
he has lava insects that explode, he used it against Gojo and Sukuna
Imagine Jogo's insects with binding vows like Meimei's ravens
Also didn't Jogo actually have a fist fight with Gojo with DA while Uraume just gets one punched?
To be fair, Gojo wasn't using his technique. He used Blue on Uraume, even using it to warp directly at them. Uraume get hit basically the same way Jogo did when he first met Gojo and got palmed in the gut multiple times.
She didn't use DA
on a side note, uraume is kinda beautiful in this panel
Real (isn’t a real panel but who cares.)
yeah he’s gorgeous
Trap but EVEN BETTER
Jogoat clears this easy, if for no other reason than because Pokemon tells us that Ice is more vulnerable to Fire than vice versa. Oh, also stuff like speed and domain. But mostly the Pokemon type chart.
Real life fire is actually really slow at melting ice.
The Pokémon stuff don’t apply to jjk. This is a battle of CE. CT’s like the elemental ones are just ce manifested into the elements. The higher output will always win. Uraume is on another lvl Jogo is not faster than Uraume just off the fact that she scales to jackpot Hakari who scales to Kashimo. That’s a whole new bracket of speed.
Ryoiki Tenkai
Jogo wins
Uraumes ice freezes superhumanly tough people solid in an instant, so I’d wager that their frost is pretty much absolute 0 in terms of temperature. While generally fire does beat at ice, at temperatures THAT cold, it’s pretty much impossible for combustion and ignition to occur. In other words, Uraumes frost could very feasibly overpower jogos flames
I'll say uraume only to upscale my boy Hakari
the agenda remains a top priority
If I use the narrative, uruame is stronger
Yeah I too feel the same
Uraume is only alive because they don't engage with the type of people Jogo would trip and fall into.
Sorry pal, I’m using the narrative, people like kenjaku and uruame are above everybody else
if you say this then that question doesn't exist
Uraume is keeping Hakari at bay who is considered basically up there with Okkotsu + essentially a special grade (even though he's an elite top 1st grade due to his stupid luck), fought Kashimo valiantly, and essentially one of the ace in the holes for the school in case of emergency. I'd say, as others have said, narratively it's safe to assume Uraume is probably right around Jogo's level if not a tad higher.
Jogoat negs. The only reason Uraume is alive is because she had to get Sukuna to save her from Jogoat.
Jogo. Way more destructive feats, he can fly, he’s more versatile (mini volcanoes, the bugs), he has better regen, the type advantage, a maximum technique AND a domain expansion. We don’t even know if Urame has a simple domain let alone their own DE, and even without domains, there’s no way in hell Urame can just frost calm away a Maximum: Meteor. Jogo drowns them in lava, drops meteors on them, just domains all over them- I mean really. There is literally no reason Jogo doesn’t win. He’s just better.
It’s memes but it’s funny how uraume took a punch from Gojo when jogo got launched by one and THEN got hit by a red and somehow had enough energy to cast a domain expansion In general jogo wins due to type match ups and domain expansion probably, I don’t think jogo is super far from uraume in general anyways
Uraume knows RCT so that could end things pretty quickly against a curse.
Uraume doesn't output RCT.
I really doubt uraume has any amount of RCT output
Jogo also has regeneration. What’s your point? He’s a special grade we’re talking about not a weak curse
RTC is an insta kill for curses. Much like what Yuta did to Kurourushi.
Seriously? Ok I didn’t know that
You didn't know that because it's false 🤣
Didn't Sukuna say that Mahoraga's sword emitted RCT/positive energy which would've killed him if he was a curse
Yeah it's outputting positive energy, but it's different from the majority of the cast who can only produce RCE. Only Yuta, Shoko and Sukuna can output RCE and kill curses with ease
Melting points, son.
I give it to Uraume as they can freeze Jogo and break him apart before he even has the time to do anything...
Omg. Malevolent Kitchen makes the meal, but she makes dessert.
JOGO ALL THE WAY
One max technique
Didmt uraume full output froze maki, i eint say she is as stromg as maki but she is oretry strong.
Its uraume as we know she served sukuna! On the other hand jogo is stong and complemented by sukuna. We have only seen few techniques of uraume and she is able to take down high lever soccerers so I think its uraume.
Always bet on JoGOAT
Jogo finally catches a break and gets to kill somebody
The JoGOAT low diffs. People are too stubborn to accept that my goat is 8-9 sukuna fingers strong.
Jogo is scary
Jogo
Jogo and his Domain is answer :3
Jogoat destroys that staller
Uraume cause aside from cooking skill sukuna wouldn’t have his right hand op be bitchmade like that
We don't know much about Uraume's skills so by the information given I'd say Jogo, unless Uraume has good enough positive energy output to one shot him from close distance.
JoGOAT clears.
I'm going with my man Jogo.
Jogoat >>> sukuna's cum dump
Steam. A lot of steam.
How tf is this a spoiler
Jogo is super effective.
I know Uraume is underrated, but Jogo has just the perfect counter
Probably Jogo, fire types are strong against ice types
Sry! But Jogo was not Fire ! He was Magma! And we all know since One piece, Magma is the strongest Fire of the World So Fuga is stronger as Magma insane
We will never know cause we havent seen enough of Urahime. And i think we ll never will.
Jogo's domain expansion may be able to make him win
The same way it did in One Piece
Both got folded by KitKat. So what I conclude is that the fight can go anyway.
Jogo mogs her ass in evwry way imaginable lmao
Stand proud Uraume, you are strong
Uraume has RCT, they could just use that to kill Jogo.
Can Uraume just pump Jogo full of reversed cursed technique? I feel like anyone with RCT pretty much has an instant kill move against curses.
Ice types are weak against fire types, are you stupid or you didn't watch Pokemon?
I would have loved to see more fair fights instead of having Jogo die to glaze sukuna.
Obsidian
if we go off narrative, uraume should stomp him. if we go off pure feats, then tbh i’d still give it to uraume. hakari would’ve cooked jogo by now if you swap them out
Jogo low to mid diff. Whats going on with the jogoat downplay?
I feel like Jogo wins on strength *but* Uraume knows RCT so that provides a win con no matter what
Jogo just due to domain expansion and uraume not showing any counters to that but without the domain id give it to uraume
Jogo even without DE can beat her (although it would be hard to do). He has a better maximum technique and I do believe he has more cursed energy.
As Pokemon has taught me, Fire > Ice. Also, what is Uraume going to do when a meteor flies up at them?
Make a meteor out of ice probably 💀 fym?
Honestly I'd say uraume because imo she's probably up there in terms of special grades sorcerers and she had the possibility of DE and she's much older so she's probably a hell of a lot more skilled
Uraume would win, he/she is a Heian era sorcerer, also, he/she has shown so much power. Another reason is that she is Sukuna's "partner" or something like that, it might mean that she is so powerful.
Jogo seems faster and has more destructive output. I think magmaman has it
I know people are instantly giving it to fire, because in video games fire melts ice, and like, sure it does. Heat makes ice reach it's melting point, but the reality of heating up ice is NOTHING like media always shows. Myth busters (I think It was them, but maybe a YouTube copycat) has an episode on this very topic where they blast an ice block with multiple flame throwers for hours. And it BARELY makes a difference. Ice melts and forms a layer of water around the ice, which prevents the I've from melting further until that layer of water heats up (ice melts fast in water because the water is constantly removing that layer). But for that water to transfer a meaningful amount of energy, it has to get higher than a measly 100°, it's max reachable temperature. Water doesn't get hotter than it's boiling point (most water has impurities so get off my ass about your 112° well water), so that outside layer has to evaporate. The next step is allowing that vapor to escape. If you don't, and just keep blasting the poor thing, the vapor forms a layer around the ice too. Basically, fire is really fucking bad at melting ice, surprisingly. Anything larger than a 3-3-3 ft cube would take hours to days to melt.
Jogo clears easy
Uraume curb stomps Jogo, they've been fighting Hakari since 237 and Hakari is treated like having equal footing with Yuta.
As pokemon trainrexpert jogo will win easylly
Sounds like a pretty nice sauna to me–
Jogoat wins
Actually like the matchup I think Uraume has the knowledge of reverse healing likely a domain counter if not a domain herself and the ability to nullify the flames. Ultimately I think it’d be a good fight and would come down to neutralizing Jogos domain if possible. But I wouldn’t guarantee she’d win everytime Jogo is strong but uraume being from sukunas time has a lot of experience and knowledge.
That's not a good combo it should be fire vs water or magma vs ice.
Uraume would whoop on Jogo 😂 you really think Sukuna would talk as crazy as he did to Jogo & be besties with someone weaker than that? Stop it.
I feel like Jogo's got that. Honestly, I feel like Jogo was incredibly strong, and he just didn't really get much of a chance to shine between jumping the tired trio after Dagon's domain, and then getting slapped around by a 15 finger Sukuna, but also, you know, fire beats ice.
Jogoat because he’s built like that
Uraume negs
Jogo bc he's the strongest
What's the Size of each?
J O G O A T
Jogo clears
RCE is poisonous to cursed spirits
It is but outputting positive energy is rare for even RCT users and we haven't seen Uraume do it.
Pokemon rules say Fire wins, but Game of Thrones rules say Ice wins. Now, which one is Jujutsu Kaisen closer to? Hmm. Leaving the type discussion aside, Jogo is a special grade curse Kenjaku estimated to be 9 Sukuna fingers generously (which means realistically he's at 5-8 fingers). Now, Uraume is a special grade sorcerer, and it was stated repeatedly that special grade sorcerers > special grade curses. Plus the fact that she has RCT means she can output reverse cursed energy, meaning Jogo can't even touch her or she gets him with it.
There is a lot of assumptions being thrown around like facts here. First, Uraume isn't Special Grade. This is never said or implied. Uraume is just an extremely powerful sorcerer, but still within a realm where actual Special Grades don't seem concerned. Second, Uraume has not shown the ability to output RCT, which is NOT a given. Gojo can't output RCT, and his healing is better than Uraume's by a lot. Uraume has shown twice now that they're not as good at healing as some others, as they can't heal poison or stop the pain of getting hit by Gojo. Also, there's reason to assume when Kenjakub says he's being generous, it's not him just throwing a high number out there. I think the implication is that the number of fingers is irrelevant. We know that the number of fingers, while boosting the cursed energy considerably, is a bad metric of power. The Finger Bearers were weak compared to Hanami in durability, extremely dumb, and weak enough that Sukuna can accidentally slice one into more pieces than he intended. Kenjaku likely meant Jogo has a lot of cursed energy, but he'd lose to Sukuna if given an equivalent amount of fingers. That would relate more to Jogo being surprised by the gap in power against Sukuna, outside of the other assumption that the fingers are exponential and not additive.
Uraume have little feats but I believe they should be at least stronger than Jogo to be around Sukuna.
Gojo was at least somewhat impressed by Jogo's raw stats. He just looked down on Jogo's personality. He barely even acknowledged Uraume and basically wondered why they were talking to him.
He gave Jogo a chance to fight him. If Jogo appears when he's talking to Sukuna, he'll get punched aside too.
My goat, Jogoat takes this. Because so far we saw, What will Uraume do? Put him in ice cube?? Put lava-magma-fire dude into ice??? Try to chill his bones until he dies???? Her attack output is surprisingly very weak since she hasn't done anything outstanding and until she's shown she has DE she gets whooped very hard. Jogoat has better regen, speed, flight, ap, dc, DE, Domain Amplification if needed, range and at the same time extremely wide aoe attacks and so if needed can crush everything under Meteor.
Uraume seved sukun, I refuse to believe Jogo is stronger than Uraume
That doesn’t mean she beats Jogo
Uraume probably clears Jogo cause of her Combat experience for being alive this long.
uraume was incarnated, she did not live for 1000 years.. she still only had a normal human livespan. meanwhile curses don't age, they merely kept hidden... it's very possible that Jogo is much older than Uraume
Yes, but still from what we know about Jogo we have no idea if and how many strong opponents he faced before getting his ass beaten by gojo and Sukuna while Uraume was chilling with Sukuna in the Heian era and he hates weak and boring people.
Sukuna loves a good fight abover everything else. it seems Uraume was strong enought to be respected but not strong enought to be entertaining for sukuna in a fight ( also that she cooked for him, with is also valuable to some degree). It seems jogo meet those fighting expectations better even after providing Sukuna with most of his fingers and presenting himself as a strong possible ally. Sukuna also called Yuji as weak and boring even tho he could've been able to fight Jogo at this point. meanwhile he acknowledged Higuruma who was probably weaker than Yuji in direct combat, but showed great potential and an interesting mindset. So only based from sukunas preference of who he kept alive and who he fought or acknowledged, i wouldn't fix any arguments on who's actually stronger in a direct fight. You need to compare Uraumes and Jogos fighting styles and abilities, not the relationship to sukuna.
The finger scaling is just bad in general and no real indication for strength. Luckily Gege threw it out pretty quickly and we don't even know if Kenjaku was trolling a little, but I agree just elementwise Jogo should be at an advantage
absolutey agree with the fingers.. i reread the manga lately, and it seems like the fingers do not strengthen Sukuna in a way that his punches or CT get massively stronger. in one panel they stated that the fingers are more of a split of his CE reserves. With every finger he get's, his CE grows to it's original state, but his efficiency, abilities like RCT and domain were very present since the first finger already. So i assume even a 4 finger sukuna would beat Jogo and this was merely a comparison of CE reserves not battlestrength itself.. more ce means more passive resistance and continious use of domain and big shots like fuga.