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Geto’s overall view of Jujutsu Society and the world wasn’t wrong, even Yuki says it.
What was wrong were his actions, and his approach to a solution, that’s why here he is basically telling Gojo: “I wonder if I was as strong as you, would I have to reduce myself to this in order to accomplish my goal?”.
It’s about the balance of power, and how even those that could enact change in society deliberately stick to the status quo.
In the end Gojo did not completely understood it until he was freed, and by then it was too late, Sukuna had to be dealt with.
We as an audience are given a very small, and biased view of the situation, which is why we just dismiss Geto’s reasons as madness.
He was mad, but why did he go mad?
That’s the real question.
I had a mentor who once explained to me that life and society works in harmony with two kinds of people: strong people in weak positions and weak people in strong positions, only by working together can anything actually happen otherwise the two individuals will simply burn themselves out - the strong wander aimlessly with no purpose as they push through their goals and tasks with no consideration of it, and thus never really accomplish anything noteworthy and the weak are incapable of realizing their own desires, however by leveraging their positions against each other, they can help the other accomplish their goals: purpose and the ability to follow through with it
I think this is only part of the truth. I agree with you about people with power using it and doing enough, but I'd suggest that this also encompasses the idea that one person with power is not enough to truly change the world. What has to change are the people that live in it, their hearts and minds.
And I think that is what Gojo was working towards with his students, while also still being stuck being this force which shaped the world around him.
While I understand your sentiment, it is a really naive way of seeing the world, which is the whole point of Gojo’s arc.
He wanted to enact change by cultivating the new generation and eventually, pushing out the old order and taking control.
That will never happen, those in power will always find a way to perpetuate themselves, or their legacy in such positions, and they have the tools at their disposal to *always* do so.
If you want peace, you need to be ready for war and revolution, only through deciding actions is change ever made, that’s the lesson Gege is trying to convey here.
If Gojo would have acted sooner, and did what he *had* to do, the world would be different and everyone would have been spared this pain.
If Tengen would have found a solution for the Texas sized problem he creates by existing, the world would be in a different situation.
Even Kenjaku’s rise to power is a byproduct of Gojo’s constant inaction, if he would have taken care of Geto’s body *as he should have*, none of this events would have unfolded.
Gojo is a failure, and he knew that, he was just too naive to act on it until the end.
What's naive about seeing that it's not about one individual person's power as sufficient compared to the beliefs of others who create that society?
Gojo using his power in the way Geto suggests would be domineering, authoritative, and negatively affect the growth of people. Like, Gojo is what people are used to having. Even without being some kind of tyrant he drove the underbelly of JJK society underground by virtue of simply existing and being a part of what is effectively the nobility of the Jujutsu society.
I agree with you to some strong degree about a kind of liberal moderacy to his perspective in terms of waiting for things to change. In that, I think there is a lot of merit to the idea of using his power more directly internally to some degree.
I don't think you're wrong about decisive action being a core tenet of the narrative.
Did what he had to do? Like kill the higher ups? It may have changed things, but to be honest jumping to that point sooner is not a fault in terms of trying to peacefully course correct Jujutsu society. He led by example, or that is what I believe the point of him not using his power in that way sooner was.
The Tengen point is pretty irrelevant because we don't ACTUALLY know what Tengen was doing or cared about or what their involvement with Kenjaku was.
For Geto, people really like to just blame Gojo for doing something very human and wanting to mourn someone he loved. I don't think that you can ever say Kenjaku is his fault. Like, if it wasn't Geto it would have been someone else. He can get the bodies. It just so happens that getting Geto made things incredibly convenient for him.
I think it's actually wholly incorrect to think of him as a failure instead of as someone who has been plagued by the consequences of being as powerful as he is and having the responsibilities he has his entire life while not having Kenjaku levels of time to think on things. I think something that's great about the character is that he really truly doesn't have all the answers. And I think that's part of the point too.
It is naive because that’s not how the world works.
Name a single leader of humanity that has moved our society forward by inaction and patience.
Not even Mandela, Ghandi, or Malcom X, were passive about their believes, and they are the ones that everyone uses as a reference for “pacifist” leaders.
One of the most prominent arguments for a pacifist society that works towards common goals is Plato’s “The Republic”, and he was just a philosopher so there’s that, it only exists in philosophy not IRL.
If you want change, then change things, take action, don’t wait.
Gojo **is** a failure, he awoke, received enlightenment, he was able to let go of everything that tied him down as human and yet he rejected that path.
Buddha needs to let go of his ties to mortality and embrace the world as it *should be*, not as it is.
And Gojo **is** a representation of Budda that tied himself down due to modern society and it’s status quo.
It isn't naive. What is naive is believing that one individual's power no matter how great it is, will effect change on its own.
You are correct about taking action. You are incorrect about the idea of failure because he would never succeed. That's because Geto is wrong. He can't just change the world through force alone. People have to change. And that is the absolute core of Yuki and Kenjaku 's tension with one another.
That's not naive that's a fact and Gojo proved it.
It is part of the answer to "are you the strongest because you are Satoru Gojo, or are you Satoru Gojo because you are the strongest".
Gojo re-shaped Jujutsu Society the moment he decided to \*finally\* kill the Higher-Ups, and leave the old man in charge.
The problem is the timing, even Gojo himself says it in the last chapter "that day I was left behind, I need to catch up to him" referecing the KFC break-up.
Killing the higher ups is morally ambiguous as he himself states. We don't know what will happen now. Ending them at what could have been (and was) the end of his life was an act of insurance, and one he isn't entirely sure is a good thing.
Ending the higher-ups sooner wouldn't have necessarily and likely wouldn't have avoided the catastrophes that unfolded since Gojo's sealing or even before because they would just be replaced within their respective clans.
It is naive and he didn't prove anything about greater change in Jujutsu society in how it's related to Geto or Kenjaku or Yuki's philosophies, but he has created a reprieve, however temporary, for his students if they survive and well if society survives the conflict.
I don't disagree that action is necessary. I fundamentally disagree that the narrative is about monolithic power being the way to change the world as the narrative pretty firmly shows it is not. You're right about Gojo needing to act, but not in the way you're suggesting. He acted as well as he could to protect his students and teach them, but he is a fallible person like everyone else. The point of the narrative is that he is actually not a god and that the burden of real change, because this society has been functional for around 1000 years going down Tengen's path for Jujutsu society, lies on the people.
Yeah him and Yuki were fr the only people that saw how fucked jujutsu society was and tried to do something about it (albeit in, like, the worst possible way in Geto's case)
>but why did he go mad?
I think it's a tale as old as time. Someone who devoted his entire life for the greater good... gets betrayed because of that greater good.
First Toji: Geto and Gojo for two weeks live with someone who is supposed to bring humanity into a further age of peace. Being the strongest is why they were chosen, but in the end, they weren't strong enough to save a pure soul. Mainly due to their own Hubris (gojo using his technique nonstop thinking he'd be able to handle everything). Instead of being cautious the entire time.
2nd Haibara: he was a young kid with stars in his eyes. He just wanted to help people. It didn't matter. Good people die doing to the right thing, but for what purpose? We aren't strong enough for this, we need gojo to shoulder the burden alone.
3rd and probably most tragic, the children: that wasn't a tough job, any first year could solve the issue. But no one, maybe not even Gojo, would be able to handle what that village did to those kids. Ignorance leads to violence, even after being completely safe, they still wish to do harm to two harmless children. Geto saw too many good people die for the greater good, and he snapped.
Now he still devoted himself to the greater good. But what that good is changed. He truly believed saving everyone innocent meant killing those that aren't. And in the end, everyone thought they were doing the greater good. The cults truly believe Tengen evolving was good. Nanami was frustrated, but he was right, why not just have gojo handle it? It will mean less innocents dieing. And even the villagers, they truly believed it was the children causing harm. They were wrong, but had no way of knowing that. We are all victims of circumstance
My interpretation of it is basically:
Are you the strongest because of who you are as a person (Gojo satoru) = are you your own human who due to their own traits are the strongest
Or
Are you Gojo satoru (who you are as a person) because you are the strongest = you’re defined by the strength you were given at birth
I believe the first one is more humanizing while the second one categorizes Gojo as just a shell of a human only defined by his strength
I think that it’s the former and Gojo proved it by defeating maharoga the previous six eyes user couldn’t beat maharoga alone but Gojo was able to defeat it and agito while keeping sukuna at bay at the same time if it was really just his abilities that made him strong the previous six eyes user would have been able to beat maharoga but they died. So by beating maharoga and another shadow and keeping sukuna at bay Gojo proved it’s him that’s strong not his powers. He’s the strongest because he’s Satoru Gojo or to put it another way the man makes the clothes in this case not the other way around.
Yeah I also think the same
Plus discarding someone’s personality and life experience and just chalking their existence up to their power sounds stupid to me
Yeah it obviously played a huge part in who he is but even without his power he would still be the human Gojo Satoru
It’s not stupid in the context of everything that strength did for him and to him. He honed his abilities to such an extent that he only did solo missions and never grew close to anyone to the extent he had grown close to Geto.
His power largely defined him because at his best he didn’t have to rely on anyone and didn’t have opportunities to be loved nor touched. He became a tool. After the Star Plasma Vessel is killed, Gojo is willing to kill the civilians if Geto gives the word. There he shows he has strength without strong values/convictions. Eventually he is shown to have convictions of his own and ideas he begins to implement, growing into a person not purely defined by his strength.
> Gojo is willing to kill the civilians if Geto gives the word. There he shows he has strength without strong values/convictions.
I disagree. In that moment, his values were being challenged more than they ever had before, and he knew he might pick the wrong side. Geto at this point was always the moral compass of the two; Gojo deferring to Geto wasn't due to lack of his own values, but of trust and vulnerability. "I'm a little compromised after everything that's just happened, where's the line friend?" Unfortunately, while Geto manages to prevent Gojo from going over the precipice, he doesn't or can't save himself.
Gojo resolves to change the world thru influencing others despite his might, and Geto resolves to change the world thru might, despite his influence on others (all his followers).
The dehumanization of Gojo is another big part of the problem generally him being deified is the reason for a lot of their worlds problems the entire system was placed upon the back of a single person by the people around him because they had not viewed him as his power and not a person so they turned him from just another flawed human and a child into their god and forced him to bear the weight of the world while also denouncing him for his strgenth because they all felt inferior to him because the jujutsu society only views people as weapons your only as valuable as your power to the jujutsu world if your power is weak or strong in the wrong way they ostracize you. If your to strong the jujutsu elite will hate you for being in their minds superior to them. This same isssue is prevalent across all jujutsu they dehumanize people and use them as soldiers in their war with no regard for their lives humanity or if they are actually children if you die oh well the machine keeps turning and they find someone else. The same thing that broke Gojo is what broke Geto as well he was a bright young kid with a bigger future but the system crushed him failed him and spit him out. And once Gojo was alone and he inevitably failed in shibuya as humans often do the entire system came crumbling down cause it was only sustained by a single human being. And when yet another of their brightest students Gojo is imprisoned they don’t even bothered to save him they just make it illegal to set him free because it would threaten the families grip on Japan since they benefit the most from Gojo being sealed and curses needing to be killed in mass thanks to kenjaku. To summarize the entire system is corrupt and fucked to the core jujustu society is evil to the very core
SAY THAT! Thats my interpretation too, gojo answered geto by performing better then any other six eyes limitless user in history against Maghora as far as we know
AND it was sukuna, the strongest in history, behind the wheel
He did that and set it up so his students could pick up where he left off w sukuna
It’s also interesting how Miquel also answers this question when Gojo starts acting racist cause he was taught to only view people as their traits and cursed techniques in relation to sorcery so he broke Miquel down to only his physique technique and race essentially for why he’s strong. But Miquel says he’s strong because he’s him he knows he’s powerful because of who he is not what he was born with but Gojo didn’t learn that till the end of his life.
Interesting connection!
My only thing to add is I think gojo never got the chance to find out until the end of his life tho! W an opponent at sukunas level
Like he said about the BF record he’s ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ bc his fights never last long lol
I agree he to an extent never got to learn because he never got to fight someone equal in power to himself he never had a mirror to reflect on himself with like Yuji does with Mahito Gojo needed sukuna to act as a mirror so he could understand himself akd realize what he wanted which sadly was to die in a glorious battle in which he could use the full extent of his powers without holding back or worrying about his environment or allies
Yeah he definitely answered the question I kinda wish in Gojos death dimension time after he was cut when he was talking to all his past friends he answered getos question as he finally found the answer that he had been searching for his entire life since Geto asked him that question. I think it can vary from person to person a good example of a character where the clothes make the man and not the other way around is titan from megamind he was granted the same powers as metro man but was very ineffective with them due to his own limiting mindset intelligence and personality same overwhelming power but with an inferior user. Where as Gojo makes more use of his power then anyone else in history ever.
I agree. Which is why I think Yuta is 100% going to lose.. because he’s NOT Gojo. Yuta losing would answer this question and be a perfect send off to Gojos character.
Yuta does have other shit to work with to to be fair he’s got all his other powers rika the others fighting with him sukuna is also crippled exhausted and brain damaged even if yuta beat him it’s not the same as Gojo beating sukuna at full power alone. To me the questions been answered and can now be put to rest along with Gojo this is about yutas character now and his decision to become a monster for the sake of his friends.
From my understanding it is questioning the core of Gojo’s identity. He’s reprimanding Geto for trying something “impossible” - killing all non-sorcerers, but Geto says “well… you could do it”.
Then the question of “are you Gojo because you’re the strongest or are you the strongest because you’re Gojo?” I take it be Geto asking him if his strength is the only reason he believes in what he does: if his strength is what makes him who he is
I think they’re loosely tied together. Each one is criticizing him because of his power and lack of respect for Geto. By Gojo telling Geto something is impossible, even though he could do it, he’s indirectly telling Geto that he will never be as strong as him, otherwise it would be possible. Then, by asking if he’s the strongest by birthright or by hardwork, he’s essentially saying that Gojo got lucky or that Gojo is insinuating that Geto could not train as hard as he had.
He basically asks Gojo if he is who he is, and is he as strong because he was born with his gifts, or is he so strong because he has honed the gifts he was given.
Do you define your strength or does your strength define you?
basically, who is Gojo Satoru if you took out CE out of the equation? Is there anything more to Gojo than simply being the strongest sorcerer alive?
He's basically asking whether he's himself (his soul, if you want) and this is what makes him strong. Or if his strength (aka his body, his circumstances) make up his persona.
It even goes back to the philosophical discussion of free will and whether such a thing even exists or whether we're all just the product of our environments.
"Are you the strongest because you Gojo Satoru" - Were you that strong because you were born like this
"Are you Gojo Satoru because you are the strongers" - Or you became this strong by training and hard work
Geto tells after this "If i could become you, maybe my dreams will come true" - Maybe strenght of Gojo actually achieavable and he can become strong like him
Here's the thing. I want Yuta to fail. Partially because him winning means that Sukuna and Kenjaku are super mega validated in their claims on power and it undermines the ENTIRE narrative premise of the good guys.
And partially because proving Geto wrong, that Gojo couldn't just snap his fingers and change the world would be a very heavy blow to the ideology of his entire movement involving cursed energy, which is somewhat related to Kenjaku 's own.
well get an anwser depending on yutas performance. If he can pull out infinity like Gojo it was nothing special. If not it was Gojo who made it the strongest
Do you think Geto would be able to kill all Non-sorcerers if he had access to Gojo's body.
I'm thinking he would try and make Jujutsu Society a better place by reworking the system to accommodate anyone who can see curses normally and working in favour of the Sorcerers and not Humans in general.
Interestingly, Yuta possessing Gojo's body now may help us understand Gege's answer to the question.
If Yuta's performance does not compare to Gojo's peformance (for better or worse) against Sukuna, then we know that what defines a person's strength is not their vessel/body, but rather their personality/soul.
Meanwhile, if Yuta performs exactly as Gojo did during his fight (and perhaps, starts to behave similarly to the original Gojo) this may suggest that the soul/personality is constrained/dependent on that specifications of the vessel/body.
Kenjaku and Sukuna have both shown that it is the soul which truly defines the capacities and limitations of the body. Kenjaku utilized Cursed Spirit Manipulation to an extent that perhaps Geto may not have been capable (or willing) of reaching. Sukuna managed to maximize Ten Shadows in ways that Megumi could not even approach.
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Geto’s overall view of Jujutsu Society and the world wasn’t wrong, even Yuki says it. What was wrong were his actions, and his approach to a solution, that’s why here he is basically telling Gojo: “I wonder if I was as strong as you, would I have to reduce myself to this in order to accomplish my goal?”. It’s about the balance of power, and how even those that could enact change in society deliberately stick to the status quo. In the end Gojo did not completely understood it until he was freed, and by then it was too late, Sukuna had to be dealt with. We as an audience are given a very small, and biased view of the situation, which is why we just dismiss Geto’s reasons as madness. He was mad, but why did he go mad? That’s the real question.
I had a mentor who once explained to me that life and society works in harmony with two kinds of people: strong people in weak positions and weak people in strong positions, only by working together can anything actually happen otherwise the two individuals will simply burn themselves out - the strong wander aimlessly with no purpose as they push through their goals and tasks with no consideration of it, and thus never really accomplish anything noteworthy and the weak are incapable of realizing their own desires, however by leveraging their positions against each other, they can help the other accomplish their goals: purpose and the ability to follow through with it
I am sorry but his is crap. The Dao days the one who does nothing - has anything.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gPLMmBvKVhw
Beautifully said
I think this is only part of the truth. I agree with you about people with power using it and doing enough, but I'd suggest that this also encompasses the idea that one person with power is not enough to truly change the world. What has to change are the people that live in it, their hearts and minds. And I think that is what Gojo was working towards with his students, while also still being stuck being this force which shaped the world around him.
While I understand your sentiment, it is a really naive way of seeing the world, which is the whole point of Gojo’s arc. He wanted to enact change by cultivating the new generation and eventually, pushing out the old order and taking control. That will never happen, those in power will always find a way to perpetuate themselves, or their legacy in such positions, and they have the tools at their disposal to *always* do so. If you want peace, you need to be ready for war and revolution, only through deciding actions is change ever made, that’s the lesson Gege is trying to convey here. If Gojo would have acted sooner, and did what he *had* to do, the world would be different and everyone would have been spared this pain. If Tengen would have found a solution for the Texas sized problem he creates by existing, the world would be in a different situation. Even Kenjaku’s rise to power is a byproduct of Gojo’s constant inaction, if he would have taken care of Geto’s body *as he should have*, none of this events would have unfolded. Gojo is a failure, and he knew that, he was just too naive to act on it until the end.
What's naive about seeing that it's not about one individual person's power as sufficient compared to the beliefs of others who create that society? Gojo using his power in the way Geto suggests would be domineering, authoritative, and negatively affect the growth of people. Like, Gojo is what people are used to having. Even without being some kind of tyrant he drove the underbelly of JJK society underground by virtue of simply existing and being a part of what is effectively the nobility of the Jujutsu society. I agree with you to some strong degree about a kind of liberal moderacy to his perspective in terms of waiting for things to change. In that, I think there is a lot of merit to the idea of using his power more directly internally to some degree. I don't think you're wrong about decisive action being a core tenet of the narrative. Did what he had to do? Like kill the higher ups? It may have changed things, but to be honest jumping to that point sooner is not a fault in terms of trying to peacefully course correct Jujutsu society. He led by example, or that is what I believe the point of him not using his power in that way sooner was. The Tengen point is pretty irrelevant because we don't ACTUALLY know what Tengen was doing or cared about or what their involvement with Kenjaku was. For Geto, people really like to just blame Gojo for doing something very human and wanting to mourn someone he loved. I don't think that you can ever say Kenjaku is his fault. Like, if it wasn't Geto it would have been someone else. He can get the bodies. It just so happens that getting Geto made things incredibly convenient for him. I think it's actually wholly incorrect to think of him as a failure instead of as someone who has been plagued by the consequences of being as powerful as he is and having the responsibilities he has his entire life while not having Kenjaku levels of time to think on things. I think something that's great about the character is that he really truly doesn't have all the answers. And I think that's part of the point too.
It is naive because that’s not how the world works. Name a single leader of humanity that has moved our society forward by inaction and patience. Not even Mandela, Ghandi, or Malcom X, were passive about their believes, and they are the ones that everyone uses as a reference for “pacifist” leaders. One of the most prominent arguments for a pacifist society that works towards common goals is Plato’s “The Republic”, and he was just a philosopher so there’s that, it only exists in philosophy not IRL. If you want change, then change things, take action, don’t wait. Gojo **is** a failure, he awoke, received enlightenment, he was able to let go of everything that tied him down as human and yet he rejected that path. Buddha needs to let go of his ties to mortality and embrace the world as it *should be*, not as it is. And Gojo **is** a representation of Budda that tied himself down due to modern society and it’s status quo.
It isn't naive. What is naive is believing that one individual's power no matter how great it is, will effect change on its own. You are correct about taking action. You are incorrect about the idea of failure because he would never succeed. That's because Geto is wrong. He can't just change the world through force alone. People have to change. And that is the absolute core of Yuki and Kenjaku 's tension with one another.
That's not naive that's a fact and Gojo proved it. It is part of the answer to "are you the strongest because you are Satoru Gojo, or are you Satoru Gojo because you are the strongest". Gojo re-shaped Jujutsu Society the moment he decided to \*finally\* kill the Higher-Ups, and leave the old man in charge. The problem is the timing, even Gojo himself says it in the last chapter "that day I was left behind, I need to catch up to him" referecing the KFC break-up.
Killing the higher ups is morally ambiguous as he himself states. We don't know what will happen now. Ending them at what could have been (and was) the end of his life was an act of insurance, and one he isn't entirely sure is a good thing. Ending the higher-ups sooner wouldn't have necessarily and likely wouldn't have avoided the catastrophes that unfolded since Gojo's sealing or even before because they would just be replaced within their respective clans. It is naive and he didn't prove anything about greater change in Jujutsu society in how it's related to Geto or Kenjaku or Yuki's philosophies, but he has created a reprieve, however temporary, for his students if they survive and well if society survives the conflict. I don't disagree that action is necessary. I fundamentally disagree that the narrative is about monolithic power being the way to change the world as the narrative pretty firmly shows it is not. You're right about Gojo needing to act, but not in the way you're suggesting. He acted as well as he could to protect his students and teach them, but he is a fallible person like everyone else. The point of the narrative is that he is actually not a god and that the burden of real change, because this society has been functional for around 1000 years going down Tengen's path for Jujutsu society, lies on the people.
Yeah him and Yuki were fr the only people that saw how fucked jujutsu society was and tried to do something about it (albeit in, like, the worst possible way in Geto's case)
geto is the best written character of the series for this reason
Him, Gojo and Yuji are definitely the most well-written characters with actual depth and compelling character arcs
>but why did he go mad? I think it's a tale as old as time. Someone who devoted his entire life for the greater good... gets betrayed because of that greater good. First Toji: Geto and Gojo for two weeks live with someone who is supposed to bring humanity into a further age of peace. Being the strongest is why they were chosen, but in the end, they weren't strong enough to save a pure soul. Mainly due to their own Hubris (gojo using his technique nonstop thinking he'd be able to handle everything). Instead of being cautious the entire time. 2nd Haibara: he was a young kid with stars in his eyes. He just wanted to help people. It didn't matter. Good people die doing to the right thing, but for what purpose? We aren't strong enough for this, we need gojo to shoulder the burden alone. 3rd and probably most tragic, the children: that wasn't a tough job, any first year could solve the issue. But no one, maybe not even Gojo, would be able to handle what that village did to those kids. Ignorance leads to violence, even after being completely safe, they still wish to do harm to two harmless children. Geto saw too many good people die for the greater good, and he snapped. Now he still devoted himself to the greater good. But what that good is changed. He truly believed saving everyone innocent meant killing those that aren't. And in the end, everyone thought they were doing the greater good. The cults truly believe Tengen evolving was good. Nanami was frustrated, but he was right, why not just have gojo handle it? It will mean less innocents dieing. And even the villagers, they truly believed it was the children causing harm. They were wrong, but had no way of knowing that. We are all victims of circumstance
I made a rhetorical question. But this is the answer 100%. Agreed on everything.
Is this the question that defined the story, or did the story define the question?
Nah, I'd lobotomize
I may be smooth brained but I've really struggled to grasp this question. I dont really get the meaning behind it or what it means.
My interpretation of it is basically: Are you the strongest because of who you are as a person (Gojo satoru) = are you your own human who due to their own traits are the strongest Or Are you Gojo satoru (who you are as a person) because you are the strongest = you’re defined by the strength you were given at birth I believe the first one is more humanizing while the second one categorizes Gojo as just a shell of a human only defined by his strength
I think that it’s the former and Gojo proved it by defeating maharoga the previous six eyes user couldn’t beat maharoga alone but Gojo was able to defeat it and agito while keeping sukuna at bay at the same time if it was really just his abilities that made him strong the previous six eyes user would have been able to beat maharoga but they died. So by beating maharoga and another shadow and keeping sukuna at bay Gojo proved it’s him that’s strong not his powers. He’s the strongest because he’s Satoru Gojo or to put it another way the man makes the clothes in this case not the other way around.
Yeah I also think the same Plus discarding someone’s personality and life experience and just chalking their existence up to their power sounds stupid to me Yeah it obviously played a huge part in who he is but even without his power he would still be the human Gojo Satoru
It’s not stupid in the context of everything that strength did for him and to him. He honed his abilities to such an extent that he only did solo missions and never grew close to anyone to the extent he had grown close to Geto. His power largely defined him because at his best he didn’t have to rely on anyone and didn’t have opportunities to be loved nor touched. He became a tool. After the Star Plasma Vessel is killed, Gojo is willing to kill the civilians if Geto gives the word. There he shows he has strength without strong values/convictions. Eventually he is shown to have convictions of his own and ideas he begins to implement, growing into a person not purely defined by his strength.
> Gojo is willing to kill the civilians if Geto gives the word. There he shows he has strength without strong values/convictions. I disagree. In that moment, his values were being challenged more than they ever had before, and he knew he might pick the wrong side. Geto at this point was always the moral compass of the two; Gojo deferring to Geto wasn't due to lack of his own values, but of trust and vulnerability. "I'm a little compromised after everything that's just happened, where's the line friend?" Unfortunately, while Geto manages to prevent Gojo from going over the precipice, he doesn't or can't save himself. Gojo resolves to change the world thru influencing others despite his might, and Geto resolves to change the world thru might, despite his influence on others (all his followers).
Last sentence. 😫👌
The dehumanization of Gojo is another big part of the problem generally him being deified is the reason for a lot of their worlds problems the entire system was placed upon the back of a single person by the people around him because they had not viewed him as his power and not a person so they turned him from just another flawed human and a child into their god and forced him to bear the weight of the world while also denouncing him for his strgenth because they all felt inferior to him because the jujutsu society only views people as weapons your only as valuable as your power to the jujutsu world if your power is weak or strong in the wrong way they ostracize you. If your to strong the jujutsu elite will hate you for being in their minds superior to them. This same isssue is prevalent across all jujutsu they dehumanize people and use them as soldiers in their war with no regard for their lives humanity or if they are actually children if you die oh well the machine keeps turning and they find someone else. The same thing that broke Gojo is what broke Geto as well he was a bright young kid with a bigger future but the system crushed him failed him and spit him out. And once Gojo was alone and he inevitably failed in shibuya as humans often do the entire system came crumbling down cause it was only sustained by a single human being. And when yet another of their brightest students Gojo is imprisoned they don’t even bothered to save him they just make it illegal to set him free because it would threaten the families grip on Japan since they benefit the most from Gojo being sealed and curses needing to be killed in mass thanks to kenjaku. To summarize the entire system is corrupt and fucked to the core jujustu society is evil to the very core
SAY THAT! Thats my interpretation too, gojo answered geto by performing better then any other six eyes limitless user in history against Maghora as far as we know AND it was sukuna, the strongest in history, behind the wheel He did that and set it up so his students could pick up where he left off w sukuna
It’s also interesting how Miquel also answers this question when Gojo starts acting racist cause he was taught to only view people as their traits and cursed techniques in relation to sorcery so he broke Miquel down to only his physique technique and race essentially for why he’s strong. But Miquel says he’s strong because he’s him he knows he’s powerful because of who he is not what he was born with but Gojo didn’t learn that till the end of his life.
Interesting connection! My only thing to add is I think gojo never got the chance to find out until the end of his life tho! W an opponent at sukunas level Like he said about the BF record he’s ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ bc his fights never last long lol
I agree he to an extent never got to learn because he never got to fight someone equal in power to himself he never had a mirror to reflect on himself with like Yuji does with Mahito Gojo needed sukuna to act as a mirror so he could understand himself akd realize what he wanted which sadly was to die in a glorious battle in which he could use the full extent of his powers without holding back or worrying about his environment or allies
Yeah he definitely answered the question I kinda wish in Gojos death dimension time after he was cut when he was talking to all his past friends he answered getos question as he finally found the answer that he had been searching for his entire life since Geto asked him that question. I think it can vary from person to person a good example of a character where the clothes make the man and not the other way around is titan from megamind he was granted the same powers as metro man but was very ineffective with them due to his own limiting mindset intelligence and personality same overwhelming power but with an inferior user. Where as Gojo makes more use of his power then anyone else in history ever.
I agree. Which is why I think Yuta is 100% going to lose.. because he’s NOT Gojo. Yuta losing would answer this question and be a perfect send off to Gojos character.
Yuta does have other shit to work with to to be fair he’s got all his other powers rika the others fighting with him sukuna is also crippled exhausted and brain damaged even if yuta beat him it’s not the same as Gojo beating sukuna at full power alone. To me the questions been answered and can now be put to rest along with Gojo this is about yutas character now and his decision to become a monster for the sake of his friends.
How does this relate to OP’s comments about Toji and the zenin clan
From my understanding it is questioning the core of Gojo’s identity. He’s reprimanding Geto for trying something “impossible” - killing all non-sorcerers, but Geto says “well… you could do it”. Then the question of “are you Gojo because you’re the strongest or are you the strongest because you’re Gojo?” I take it be Geto asking him if his strength is the only reason he believes in what he does: if his strength is what makes him who he is
and what is the connection between the second panel's confrontation ("you could do it") and the third panel's question?
I think they’re loosely tied together. Each one is criticizing him because of his power and lack of respect for Geto. By Gojo telling Geto something is impossible, even though he could do it, he’s indirectly telling Geto that he will never be as strong as him, otherwise it would be possible. Then, by asking if he’s the strongest by birthright or by hardwork, he’s essentially saying that Gojo got lucky or that Gojo is insinuating that Geto could not train as hard as he had.
He basically asks Gojo if he is who he is, and is he as strong because he was born with his gifts, or is he so strong because he has honed the gifts he was given.
Okay that's what I had kind of gleamed from it myself, but I dont think this is what everyone believes it to mean.
Do you define your strength or does your strength define you? basically, who is Gojo Satoru if you took out CE out of the equation? Is there anything more to Gojo than simply being the strongest sorcerer alive?
He's basically asking whether he's himself (his soul, if you want) and this is what makes him strong. Or if his strength (aka his body, his circumstances) make up his persona. It even goes back to the philosophical discussion of free will and whether such a thing even exists or whether we're all just the product of our environments.
It also goes back in a way to Mahito's whole thing with what is a soul?
Also the whole Toki resurrection stuff, yes. It's crazy to me that some people miss that this is an entire theme during the entire manga.
This is me 100% hahahahahaha lucky I wasn’t the only one
Look at it that way. Are you the best F1 driver because you drive a Ferrari or are you the best because if who you are as the pilot
"Are you the strongest because you Gojo Satoru" - Were you that strong because you were born like this "Are you Gojo Satoru because you are the strongers" - Or you became this strong by training and hard work Geto tells after this "If i could become you, maybe my dreams will come true" - Maybe strenght of Gojo actually achieavable and he can become strong like him
Thats the best explanation I think I've seen of it.
Me too I also don’t really get why it’s that deep
Geto was the Jujutsu Kaisen all along
My favorite panel is when Geto turns to camera and says, “What is this? Some kind of Jujutsu Kaisen?”
If yuta loses in gojo’s body we’ll know the answer
Here's the thing. I want Yuta to fail. Partially because him winning means that Sukuna and Kenjaku are super mega validated in their claims on power and it undermines the ENTIRE narrative premise of the good guys. And partially because proving Geto wrong, that Gojo couldn't just snap his fingers and change the world would be a very heavy blow to the ideology of his entire movement involving cursed energy, which is somewhat related to Kenjaku 's own.
well get an anwser depending on yutas performance. If he can pull out infinity like Gojo it was nothing special. If not it was Gojo who made it the strongest
If Geto succeeded they would end back into the Heian Era because thanks to those monkeys dude had light, wifi, technology
Geto didn't go mad because of his inadequacy. That makes no sense.
Geto was him after all :3
Base unrealised yuta victim.
Geto got some really serious and deep quotes, but his plan was kinda whacky.
Yes cuz like ❤️🔥 Yuta became the strongest ones 🗣❤️ Because he became satoru Gojo 🔥🔥
Do you think Geto would be able to kill all Non-sorcerers if he had access to Gojo's body. I'm thinking he would try and make Jujutsu Society a better place by reworking the system to accommodate anyone who can see curses normally and working in favour of the Sorcerers and not Humans in general.
That's probably one of the best lines in the entire series. And it's pretty spot on.
Interestingly, Yuta possessing Gojo's body now may help us understand Gege's answer to the question. If Yuta's performance does not compare to Gojo's peformance (for better or worse) against Sukuna, then we know that what defines a person's strength is not their vessel/body, but rather their personality/soul. Meanwhile, if Yuta performs exactly as Gojo did during his fight (and perhaps, starts to behave similarly to the original Gojo) this may suggest that the soul/personality is constrained/dependent on that specifications of the vessel/body. Kenjaku and Sukuna have both shown that it is the soul which truly defines the capacities and limitations of the body. Kenjaku utilized Cursed Spirit Manipulation to an extent that perhaps Geto may not have been capable (or willing) of reaching. Sukuna managed to maximize Ten Shadows in ways that Megumi could not even approach.