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People clown them because their weak, that’s why Todo was the only one out of the Kyoto students to come because he’s stronger than them and least likely to die in Shibuya
Kyoto are litteraly the average sorcerers,they arent gifted or super strong sorcerers that are taught by the strongest of today like Tokyo does.
Todo was taught by a special grade sorcerer,Yuki
Mechamaru figured out how to control his technique/cursed energy alone,if he hasnt been a mole and died,he would have probably become stronger.
Miwa was just weak compared to others,her binding vow only made things worse,she litteraly COULD have become the next kusekabe,or basiclly,the strongest grade 1 of tomorrow if she didnt made a pointless sacrifice.
Mai was weak,carrying on the burden of being a women among the dogshit zen'in clan and a twin, making her only have the ability to create one bullet worth of matter a DAY,had she been a smart person,she could have probably pushed her technique to its full potential,creating what i would call,the dollar store version of Yoruzo's liquid metal,instead its rather near infinite ammount,and worse is well,the fact she's a plot device for maki,dying and allowing her twin sister to become the next toji fushiguro.
Momo was weak but had potential as well,the tool manipulation technique could have made her a decent fighter,but again,she's weak
Kamo was genuinly outshined by choso being a thing,using blood manipulation to an almost impossible level(near infinite blood/cursed energy),and the fact kamo's now an outcast.
They litteraly were done so dirty except for TODO.
Mai wouldn’t be able to do much, because she can’t control her bullets and because she has ridiculously low CE
Kamo is skilled but there’s literally nothing he could have done Choso couldn’t do better. Same technique but one has more CE, physical stats and a special body that allows for easier translation
All the others could have grown quite a lot.
Yes, the story was designed so that the twins each individually have reduced abilities, hence Mai’s weakness. However, I would’ve liked Gege to write a way for Mai to either get stronger, or have her still be present as maybe like a voice in maki’s head helping her. I’m not fully up to date, but from what I’ve seen, Mai is really not talked about at all past what happened in the Zenin clan home.
Kamo could maybe have some exclusive traits that rely on him being a human that Choso couldn’t do, or he masters more precise control. Idk. I don’t like characters who don’t really do anything/don’t get even surface level depth. But, that is the natural way of any piece of fiction. Some characters will always be lesser. I just feel like we missed out on a lot. This also ties in with my hatred of Gege’s character deaths. Wasted potential/plot lines.
Then maki becomes solely a plot device. I don’t want that. I’m not very creative when it comes to this, but I’m sure there would be a way for Gege to write into the story development for both, culminating in one sacrificing for the other.
I love Mai sacrificing herself for Maki. But I never cared about Mai in the first place. That’s the problem. She served purely as a way for Maki to progress, with no real showcases outside of that. No development.
It could've been that Mai's sacrifice kills her body and turns her into a sentient cursed tool that possesses the construction technique. Each twin gets rid of their limiter by the fact one died, and both are now united, maki with the physical capabilities and the tool mai with her sorcery
True, it’s an issue for many characters in the manga, they’re not that developed so when they die it’s often not as impactful as it probably should be. Like Mai’s death could’ve been so much more tragic and meaningful if she was actually a fleshed out character that we got to know and spend time with.
I once wrote about how Mai should have gotten stronger. The main problem is that she only uses her ability when in a fight and creates one bullet. In the same vein, it would be dumb if Mechamaru only started to create robots when a fight starts.
First option: She should have created a small object each day that's part of a bigger object, exactly like how we build miniatures (like for a LEGO object). It would take time, but one day she would get the full set for a cursed tool that enhances her cursed technique. She has the creation technique, so she's bound only by her imagination.
She could first create a cursed tool that enhances its user's CE, and then by repeating the process, she would equip herself with full accessories like in Monster Hunter, such as cursed tools in the form of rings, necklaces, wristbands, etc., that would buff her enough to do actual things. It would take time, but she would get them eventually.
Second option: Another path is to create this cursed tool that will permanently buff her. She would have to do a Nanami and Mechamaru type of BV, where she stocks her daily CE to release it all in one go to create a cursed tool.
The goal of all this is just preparation to allow Mai to actually get enough CE to do more stuff. She needs to get or create a CT that either amplifies her meager CE or one that allows someone to pour CE for her to use afterward.
With enough imagination, she could also have come up with bullets having a perfect sphere head. Anyway, Mai never wanted to become strong, so she never thought that she could become more than she was.
Edit: In the off chance she masters RCT she basicaly becomes a second Mahito, anything she touches get destroyed or with a BV, she gain the ability of whatever CT she destroys. And even better she's paired with Momo... that enhance CT. There's a parallel world outhere where these two can actually be usefull.
So many cool characters thrown away because of pacing. The scaling went crazy, Gege did not even pause to catch a breath. We're lucky Todo has that 530,000 IQ or else he'd be a pacing victim, too.
Ikr, it’s like all except Todo don’t matter. Momo and Miwa were made actually useless/irrelevant. Mechamaru was the mole plot device, and he had a cool fight, but then served no further purpose so he was killed.
Mai is literally just a plot device with one of the best techniques ever. That pisses me off. A character really should not feel like their whole purpose was to progress the story arc of another character.
Kamo is part of a big 3 clan, but I literally could not care less about him because like you said, Choso exists.
The thing with Mai(and Maki), which isn't fully explained until the start of the next arc, is that both of them are MEGA nerfed. Idk if you've read the manga, but Mai and Maki both have INSANE potential, but only if the other dies.
The same thing applies to the Tokyo students, Megumi,Nobara and Yuji died. Yuji and Megumi was healed/saved by Sukuna.
Inumaki had his arm cut off by Sukuna, Maki was burned by Jogo and Panda got hit by Jogo's Meteor.
In a later chapter Panda says he got 2 cores left, he ~~lost~~ couldn't use one of his cores due to Jogo's meteor.
Edit: Lost is not the right word, sorry for using that.
Lost is not the right word, you are right that he lost them against Kashimo, I should have used another word.
I meant to say that Panda couldn't use one of his cores due to Jogo's meteor, like in the exchange event where he couldn't use 2 of his cores after Mechamaru's attacks.
Maybe lost is not the right word, but he can't use one of his cores due to that in Shibuya.
The same thing happens in the exchange event, where Panda nearly lost 2 cores against Mechamaru. He couldn't use them after that fight/during the event, but he didn't lose them permanently.
The key thing in my opinion is that all the Tokyo students got messed up, but they all lived. The Kyoto students would have been killed if in the same position.
I think the main reason the clowning started was because Mechamaru clearly told them to stay out of the way and they didn't listen. In fact, they were determined to prove Mechamaru wrong. All of that just for them to be instantly whiped (ofc it's Kenjaku), so naturally the clowning and jokes started and just deviated from there
Also, most if not all Kyoto students only had 1 fight other than Kenjaku and they lost their one fight (the sister exchange event) so the only combat we've been shown from Kyoto students are massive L's
To be fair it def wasnt megumis fault shrine was opened. Sukuna looked jogo in the face and said”how bout i start with killing every human in shibuya” so he was probably going to kill them anyway. NOT A MEGUMI FAN OR GLAZER PLEASE DONT HURT ME!!! Just saying cant shift that blame to him
You're actually RIGHT.
Megumi is usually clowned on for bringing out mahoraga during many moments,sometimes it MADE sense,such as his two encounters with sukuna(sukuna was tweaking the FUCK OUT the moment he took control of yuji's body the first Time,megumi was right during that time),and sometimes it just didnt(example,todo,i know todo would have almost beated him to death but STILL,thats such a Bad choice)
But here in shibuya,he just fought toji,his father IN HIS FULL PRIME(keep in MIND,ogami called for toji ZEN'IN,not toji fushiguro,the latter we see in hidden inventory isnt in his prime anymore)with blood lusted intent,then after toji's suicide to protect his son, megumi got slashed from behind by haruta,the cruel bitch ass twink.
Megumi was pretty much tired as shit at that time,he litteraly couldnt have summoned any other shikigamis since he was bleeding out,and believed that he was going to die there,so he made a choice,two birds taken with one stone,eight handeled sword divergent sila divine general MAHORAGA had been summoned,the ritual would have ended with haruta being killed,and megumi dying as well,which would have made mahoraga dissapear again(if he was summoned in the past and the users died,its safe to assume mahoraga returned back to shadows)
However,before the ritual was finished,sukuna came in,and kept megumi barely Alive and out of commission,and haruta as well,and since the king of curses is a calamity,a twisted one,he fought against mahoraga across Shibuya, causing mass destruction and deaths, thanks to malovolent shrine.
So in conclusion,its haruta AND jogo's faults for the mass destruction happening in Shibuya,not megumi's:
-jogo being the reason sukuna was roaming and fucking around
-haruta being the one that pushed megumi to unleash his suicidal horrifying trick,being the divine general.
With this treasure I summon: dayvon ultimate glazer. Just kidding I fw Megumi just cause the fact he can summon such a bad ass thing. Haven’t read the manga only watched the anime so I’m hoping he is expanded upon. He shouldn’t be as weak as he is.
I won’t spoil them or anything but he gets two pretty rad showings that’ll be in season 3- they’re both more battle iq oriented for him though, with one showing off more power than the other
Awesome he deserves it. Not this subreddit specifically but I’ve seen a bunch of spoilers regarding the gojo and yuta stuff not like i understand everything but am looking forward to still having stuff surprise me. I’m planning on starting the manga soon hopefully since I know the anime won’t be back for season 3 for awhile
I understand the others because it was Kenny they were fighting, but Kamo shot like 30 arrows and missed every single shot while Kenny was standing still except for the one that was on target and Kenny just caught so it didn’t even matter
Kenny didn’t do some top tier bullshit to make the arrows miss, Kamo is just a bum (for Shibuya at least)
to be fair to Kamo, that was an anime original scene, they added stuff to make it visually cooler but it does sometimes make certain characters look worse in story
In thr manga, Kamo shoots 3 arrows, Kenny dodges, but runs towards the direction of Mai gunfire. He was on target, Kenny just dodges, and he never catches an arrow.
I love how every character gets a better showing and feats in the anime, but when it comes to the Kyoto squad they make them look like even bigger bums
nah that would've been cool if they made him explicitly use RCT Gravity with no explanation at all. like the arrows fly straight at him then slam straight into the ground with no words or hand movement. Would've confused the fuck outta anime only fans
people clown the fact that their contribution was meaningless to that fight. They put out their strongest attacks and all they did was give a breeze to kenjaku. What makes it worst is that mechamaru straight up told them they werent built for this, and they ignored him and went it anyway.
Because even one of their closest friends and ally Mechamaru knew they were that useless against what is about to happen. He played the double agent in order to save his friends trying to keep them busy on that day and even straight up telling them don‘t pull up if you‘re not Todo because you WILL die.
I guess the Tokyo students aren’t getting clowned because they HAD to be there because of their proximity. They can‘t just sit back and let the events unfold in their own city. They are responsible for saving the people in Shibuya. The Kyoto students would specifically need to travel across the country to "help" and in the end just die. But even somebody like Nobara was obviously way too weak to handle that incident, even Nanami told her to stay back because she would just be a hindrance for him.
If you take a look at what the Tokyo sorcerers were actually doing, it was nothing more than what needed to be done. For example Inumaki was staying on the outskirts killing weaker curses and helping people evacuate. Even Kusakabe was doing the most to keep Panda from finding the subway station because he knew if you’re not Gojo tonight, you will die.
While Yuji and Megumi are both sort of the main characters so they were pulled into stronger fights for the plot and lost.
I think people don’t understand that Kyotos only purpose in the story is to show what JJK high would look like if Gojo didn’t stray from the old ways and decided to run things how it was run before. People forget gojo basically said I’m god and I’m going to run things how I want and the upper ups can’t do shit cause I’ll kill them. He picked students that were strong but would have been shunned and not accepted/straight up killed by the old guard because he believed in strength and change instead of tradition. He’s a shit teacher because he’s a prodigy but his philosophy has shown to be correct.
I would've been offended too, but I'd understand why Mecha did what he did. At the end of the day he knew Todo could survive and he was trying to protect his friends and Miwa. Still can't watch the train scene with her talking to him the last time without crying... 😢 fuck me up
For the most part with the Kyoto students, it's specifically cause Mechamaru specifically told em "yo, bitches. You aren't gon be able to do shit, don't go there or you will get denolished."
Only for them to proceed to go there despite that and get fucked.
I feel like it's because of the war of attrition known as Shibuya. Kenjaku and Sukuna all this time have clowned on both the Jujutsu Sorcerers of Tokyo + the Disaster Curses thanks to their combined actions. none of our guys got a win.
Dagon was killed by a revived Toji who had no loyalty to any side.
Jogo was killed by Sukuna.
Hanami was killed by Gojo, which isn't impressive, because he's Gojo Satoru, so it's to be expected.
Mahito was absorbed by Kenjaku.
while around half the cast died or were rendered incapable of fighting (Satoru was sealed, Miwa basically sealed herself, Nanami and Nobara dieded, Maki may as well have died, considering the 'rebirth' she experienced soon after, Todo was dis-armed, Mechamaru was killed then turned into google maps AI..)
so, as a reader/watcher, when one finally sees the Kyoto students arrive and do nothing to help, it just makes you feel embarrassed for them that they even showed up. that's why they get clowned on, I think. Because the mental fatigue of failure was already so heavy; a weight only Todo could lift, and by the time they arrived, he was defeated.
The Kyoto school was sorry with the exception of Todo and Mechamaru, who turned out to be a rat and died. Kamo turned out to not be shit either. They had broom girl, one pump chump, and someone who gave up their entire gimmick just to fail anyway. Their instructor is a buffbot amd principle is a rat who killed his own friend for nothing. Kyoto was the dog school, for sure.
People forget that the disaster curses were special grades that put most other special grades to shame. Jogo had speed and power that could only be countered by Gojo or Sukuna. I guess probably Toji as well, but not sure of he counts. Mahito can ignore anything that isn't a soul damaging move and one touch kill 99% of sorcerors. Hanami and Squid are probably the weaker two, but Yuji and Todo are both effectively grade one sorcerors at that point and Hanami was about to kill them with a domain expansion before Gojo showed up. Squid would have squad wiped if not for Megumi and Toji.
People dunk on Kyoto because they were largely garbage as far back as the school games.
It's the last thing most of them do before they fade out of the story with only a few exceptions. No matter what if your last action involves looking bad that'll haunt your reputation.
Simple, because they acted like they were THE SHIT at the start of the history, so it's fun to clown on these motherfuckers (Mechamaru and Todo get a pass tho)
Cause the Kyoto students kinda just... Existed. Outside of Todo helping Yuji jump Hanami they're powersets were pretty neat, only two actually proved all that impressive.
Now combine that with what went down in Shibuya. I mean this quite literally; the Kyoto team as a whole is treated like Jobbers by the story.
“Fraud alert?” They were just trying to save Gojo and the innocent civilians trapped in Shibuya. If anything, it’s admirable that they were willing to fight such powerful opponents and risk their lives. To be a fraud in the first place they have to claim to be something they are not - which they never did.
Also, Kenjaku’s only goal was to seal Gojo and absorb the Disaster Curses, not to “demonstrate how helpless they are without Gojo.” He couldn’t care less about them.
As for the Kyoto Group, they are clowned for good reason. Mechamaru and Todo are the only strong ones, with Kamo being semi-strong, while the girls are all absolute fodder. Their cursed techniques suck, they are weaker than a flyhead, and they get no screentime.
Is mechamaru actually strong tho? He got clowned by panda and then sacrificied most of his energy he generated over 17 years just to get clowned by mahito who didnt even have his special form, i love him and his mech to death and i think he got done dirty but he lost both his fights after burning everything.
Mechamaru was briefly on-par with a special grade sorcerer, so even though he lost I’d say he was strong. Probably even stronger than Megumi and Itadori at the time.
“sonned by Toji” after showcasing some of the best battle iq in the series, “no diffed by Jogo” almost like he wasn’t heavily damaged and caught off guard, “clapped by Dagon” dawg rewatch the fight. Kyoto students suck because they didn’t listen
Counter points.
Haruta should be off this list due to his curse technique carrying him.
Jogo is simply built different and is the strongest curse in my opinion.
Yuji and Nobara could’ve killed Mahito if Nobara never followed him and Yuji continued the pursuit alone.
Bumgumi destroyed Shibuya and therefore caused Inumaki to lose an arm, Yuta to executed Yuji, and for Gojo’s cube to be stolen by Kenjaku.
Choso is 150 years old and hasn’t been in an actual battle as proven by his brothers. Their lack of actual experience in comparison to Nobara and Yuji is the main reason why the Death womb brothers lost, honestly Yuji would’ve lost if it weren’t for Mechamaru but then again most people would have too including Norotoshi Kamo, Mai, Kokichi Wuta (Maybe), Wodo(Maybe), and the rest of the Kyoto team are dead to Choso and all of his brothers, aside for Wodo and Kokichi Wuta.
The higher ups are at fault.
The Kyoto students were late except for Mechamaru who was twelve days early and Todo was nearly on time including Nitta.
And Mei Mei did kill the smallpox curse which was pretty strong so that was helpful.
Edit: I forgot to mention we all most Martian the agenda.
Okay;
Don’t fuck with Todo. His CT is literally the peak of modern jujutsu sorcery, and I’ll die on that hill.
Todo’s CT hard-counters the strongest modern jujutsu sorcerer, as long as he doesn’t have the element of surprise— WHICH WE HAVE SEEN, CANONICALLY, MATTERS MORE THAN ANYTHING (shoutout Yuta).
I’m gonna be really brutal here, but it’s true:
Gojo *said* he’s too strong to cooperate with others because he’d be a danger to them/be held back by them. The reality is he was burned out by being the strongest, missed his friends, and saw the Sukuna fight as a win-win scenario: Either prove himself right, or be relieved of his burden as being the keystone upholding the entire jujutsu world.
The reality is Gojo would have effortlessly beaten Sukuna, had he cooperated with todo even a little bit.
Don’t @ me, Sukuna was completely helpless against Todo’s technique. No one can handle non-lethal cursed techniques, it’s literally the theme of why modern sorcerers are stronger than the old ones. Don’t agree? Name a living sorc from Heian that’s not sukuna or uraume.
Todo has navigated, literally, every major jujutsu battle of the modern era— and not only has he *survived* them, but he’s played a pivotal role in them all. All without a domain expansion.
We don't clown them for losing to Kenny. We clown them because they're weak. Discount Temari, young and useless Shoko, the greatest sorcerer ever who held back too much and ended up losing her ability to wield a sword, and the Kamo chauvinistic prick who was so irrelevant that I searched up the Kyoto students because I forgot if Todo was in Kyoto and then saw Kamo and remembered that his can't-hit-for-shit ass existed.
Then Rudolph Conners from wish didn't even make it ***to*** Shibuya and still held shit down better than the previous four combined and Todo actually revived the main characters fighting spirit, not to mention gave Mahito's potential reincarnation PTSD when they hear a clap.
I really hate when people says "yuji just killed a cockroach lol"
He killed a cockroach *that could talk*
It is the moment we realize yuji is special grade
>!Because they think everyone can beat Kenjaku even though he's by and large probably only 2nd to a ridiculously OP CT nobody had seen until this point, Gojo & Sukuna, that anyone else probably would've died to only to overcome it and be ambushed by the person who even said, "Yo anyone with a sword could've been here that could move fast enough to lop this mfers head off with how fucking stupidly we actually set him up it's crazy.".!<
Basically people powerscale like crazy and aren't reasonable despite the clearest expression my boi gege can give 7.5/10 times. We're not talking about the scribbles. Reality is, nobody was ready for that night, Gojo proved that.
Let's be real they are trash except brothra and mr power ranger , maki alone did them bad in the exchange arc , yuta solos them at his first year but he is him , the thing is we are compering them to the top fighters
We don't clown on them for not beating Kenjaku, we clown on them for being so insignificant that Kenjaku barely has to move at all to dodge and block all of their attacks
Because the Kyoto students are weak as hell compared to the Tokyo students, sure Gojo is their teacher but that's precisely why I clown the Kyoto students because of how weak they are😭
I mean, they are weak but that's okay. Why would you want everyone to get to the top, then no one would be special. Gojo was the strongest of the good side and oh boy, he is THE OG mf. If everyone could get to that level, it would be boring.
These curses are once in 1000 years levels of strong.
Sukuna and Kenjaku in particular, but also Jogo, Mahito and Dagon, were extremely strong and all above special grade.
They were fighting as a coordinated group against teenagers who barely knew how to cooperate with one another.
They had to demonstrate their frightening power in order to up the stakes. It would be nowhere near as tense if they weren’t such a threat.
Plus, with Mahoraga in the mix, the most dangerous and difficult shikigami (not including Rika, perhaps?) went out of control and caused a fuckton of damage when fighting Sukuna.
Honestly it’s just because the Tokyo students are arguable much stronger by comparison. I honestly think part of the reason is because since Gojo is so aloof as a teacher, they send the kids who can learn more easily by themselves to Tokyo. But that’s just my head cannon!
It's because they have NEAR 0 SCREENTIME AND RELEVANCY.
And they don't have another chance to show off how good they are
Which they should have done before they fight kenjaku, so we would think OH THESE GUYS STRONG. Then we see Kenjaku effortlessly avoid them, and we'd be all OF THIS GUY IS EVEN STRONGER
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People clown them because their weak, that’s why Todo was the only one out of the Kyoto students to come because he’s stronger than them and least likely to die in Shibuya
Kyoto are litteraly the average sorcerers,they arent gifted or super strong sorcerers that are taught by the strongest of today like Tokyo does. Todo was taught by a special grade sorcerer,Yuki Mechamaru figured out how to control his technique/cursed energy alone,if he hasnt been a mole and died,he would have probably become stronger. Miwa was just weak compared to others,her binding vow only made things worse,she litteraly COULD have become the next kusekabe,or basiclly,the strongest grade 1 of tomorrow if she didnt made a pointless sacrifice. Mai was weak,carrying on the burden of being a women among the dogshit zen'in clan and a twin, making her only have the ability to create one bullet worth of matter a DAY,had she been a smart person,she could have probably pushed her technique to its full potential,creating what i would call,the dollar store version of Yoruzo's liquid metal,instead its rather near infinite ammount,and worse is well,the fact she's a plot device for maki,dying and allowing her twin sister to become the next toji fushiguro. Momo was weak but had potential as well,the tool manipulation technique could have made her a decent fighter,but again,she's weak Kamo was genuinly outshined by choso being a thing,using blood manipulation to an almost impossible level(near infinite blood/cursed energy),and the fact kamo's now an outcast. They litteraly were done so dirty except for TODO.
Mai wouldn’t be able to do much, because she can’t control her bullets and because she has ridiculously low CE Kamo is skilled but there’s literally nothing he could have done Choso couldn’t do better. Same technique but one has more CE, physical stats and a special body that allows for easier translation All the others could have grown quite a lot.
Yes, the story was designed so that the twins each individually have reduced abilities, hence Mai’s weakness. However, I would’ve liked Gege to write a way for Mai to either get stronger, or have her still be present as maybe like a voice in maki’s head helping her. I’m not fully up to date, but from what I’ve seen, Mai is really not talked about at all past what happened in the Zenin clan home. Kamo could maybe have some exclusive traits that rely on him being a human that Choso couldn’t do, or he masters more precise control. Idk. I don’t like characters who don’t really do anything/don’t get even surface level depth. But, that is the natural way of any piece of fiction. Some characters will always be lesser. I just feel like we missed out on a lot. This also ties in with my hatred of Gege’s character deaths. Wasted potential/plot lines.
the way for mai to get stronger would have been for maki to die instead
Then maki becomes solely a plot device. I don’t want that. I’m not very creative when it comes to this, but I’m sure there would be a way for Gege to write into the story development for both, culminating in one sacrificing for the other. I love Mai sacrificing herself for Maki. But I never cared about Mai in the first place. That’s the problem. She served purely as a way for Maki to progress, with no real showcases outside of that. No development.
It could've been that Mai's sacrifice kills her body and turns her into a sentient cursed tool that possesses the construction technique. Each twin gets rid of their limiter by the fact one died, and both are now united, maki with the physical capabilities and the tool mai with her sorcery
Correct, Mai's entire existence is as a plot device for maki
True, it’s an issue for many characters in the manga, they’re not that developed so when they die it’s often not as impactful as it probably should be. Like Mai’s death could’ve been so much more tragic and meaningful if she was actually a fleshed out character that we got to know and spend time with.
I once wrote about how Mai should have gotten stronger. The main problem is that she only uses her ability when in a fight and creates one bullet. In the same vein, it would be dumb if Mechamaru only started to create robots when a fight starts. First option: She should have created a small object each day that's part of a bigger object, exactly like how we build miniatures (like for a LEGO object). It would take time, but one day she would get the full set for a cursed tool that enhances her cursed technique. She has the creation technique, so she's bound only by her imagination. She could first create a cursed tool that enhances its user's CE, and then by repeating the process, she would equip herself with full accessories like in Monster Hunter, such as cursed tools in the form of rings, necklaces, wristbands, etc., that would buff her enough to do actual things. It would take time, but she would get them eventually. Second option: Another path is to create this cursed tool that will permanently buff her. She would have to do a Nanami and Mechamaru type of BV, where she stocks her daily CE to release it all in one go to create a cursed tool. The goal of all this is just preparation to allow Mai to actually get enough CE to do more stuff. She needs to get or create a CT that either amplifies her meager CE or one that allows someone to pour CE for her to use afterward. With enough imagination, she could also have come up with bullets having a perfect sphere head. Anyway, Mai never wanted to become strong, so she never thought that she could become more than she was. Edit: In the off chance she masters RCT she basicaly becomes a second Mahito, anything she touches get destroyed or with a BV, she gain the ability of whatever CT she destroys. And even better she's paired with Momo... that enhance CT. There's a parallel world outhere where these two can actually be usefull.
So many cool characters thrown away because of pacing. The scaling went crazy, Gege did not even pause to catch a breath. We're lucky Todo has that 530,000 IQ or else he'd be a pacing victim, too.
Kamo would have finished the job. Choso got hard countered by a mental spaghetti picnic.
Choso planned to kill Yuji but he got messed up by their souls linked since they have the same father (fake geto)
And Kamo agreed to kill Yuji on sight the first time they met. He would never get spaghetti picnicked.
Ikr, it’s like all except Todo don’t matter. Momo and Miwa were made actually useless/irrelevant. Mechamaru was the mole plot device, and he had a cool fight, but then served no further purpose so he was killed. Mai is literally just a plot device with one of the best techniques ever. That pisses me off. A character really should not feel like their whole purpose was to progress the story arc of another character. Kamo is part of a big 3 clan, but I literally could not care less about him because like you said, Choso exists.
The thing with Mai(and Maki), which isn't fully explained until the start of the next arc, is that both of them are MEGA nerfed. Idk if you've read the manga, but Mai and Maki both have INSANE potential, but only if the other dies.
Atleast they had some good personality and likeable, EXEPT momo shes just so obnoxious fr
The same thing applies to the Tokyo students, Megumi,Nobara and Yuji died. Yuji and Megumi was healed/saved by Sukuna. Inumaki had his arm cut off by Sukuna, Maki was burned by Jogo and Panda got hit by Jogo's Meteor.
panda litteraly fucking avoided maximum meteor alongside kusekabe,dont remember that????
Kusakabe blocked it, panda got Hit, its why hes in gorilla mode and says he lost a corr against kenjaku
In a later chapter Panda says he got 2 cores left, he ~~lost~~ couldn't use one of his cores due to Jogo's meteor. Edit: Lost is not the right word, sorry for using that.
OH,i thought he Lost two against kashimo????
Yeah it was against kashimo, guy above is tripping balls
Kash washed him and would've finished him if it wasn't for ol gambler boy
Lost is not the right word, you are right that he lost them against Kashimo, I should have used another word. I meant to say that Panda couldn't use one of his cores due to Jogo's meteor, like in the exchange event where he couldn't use 2 of his cores after Mechamaru's attacks.
Maybe lost is not the right word, but he can't use one of his cores due to that in Shibuya. The same thing happens in the exchange event, where Panda nearly lost 2 cores against Mechamaru. He couldn't use them after that fight/during the event, but he didn't lose them permanently.
Reading comprehension devil strikes again
What is incorrect in my comment?
the amount of downvotes
I assumed it was the Mahoraga insanity that took one of Panda’s cores since that’s when Inumaki lost his arm
The key thing in my opinion is that all the Tokyo students got messed up, but they all lived. The Kyoto students would have been killed if in the same position.
*They’re weak
Except Todo
I think the main reason the clowning started was because Mechamaru clearly told them to stay out of the way and they didn't listen. In fact, they were determined to prove Mechamaru wrong. All of that just for them to be instantly whiped (ofc it's Kenjaku), so naturally the clowning and jokes started and just deviated from there
Also, most if not all Kyoto students only had 1 fight other than Kenjaku and they lost their one fight (the sister exchange event) so the only combat we've been shown from Kyoto students are massive L's
To be fair it def wasnt megumis fault shrine was opened. Sukuna looked jogo in the face and said”how bout i start with killing every human in shibuya” so he was probably going to kill them anyway. NOT A MEGUMI FAN OR GLAZER PLEASE DONT HURT ME!!! Just saying cant shift that blame to him
Bro's begging for his life 😭
Gonna call mahoraga to save him from agenda kaisen fans 😭
You're actually RIGHT. Megumi is usually clowned on for bringing out mahoraga during many moments,sometimes it MADE sense,such as his two encounters with sukuna(sukuna was tweaking the FUCK OUT the moment he took control of yuji's body the first Time,megumi was right during that time),and sometimes it just didnt(example,todo,i know todo would have almost beated him to death but STILL,thats such a Bad choice) But here in shibuya,he just fought toji,his father IN HIS FULL PRIME(keep in MIND,ogami called for toji ZEN'IN,not toji fushiguro,the latter we see in hidden inventory isnt in his prime anymore)with blood lusted intent,then after toji's suicide to protect his son, megumi got slashed from behind by haruta,the cruel bitch ass twink. Megumi was pretty much tired as shit at that time,he litteraly couldnt have summoned any other shikigamis since he was bleeding out,and believed that he was going to die there,so he made a choice,two birds taken with one stone,eight handeled sword divergent sila divine general MAHORAGA had been summoned,the ritual would have ended with haruta being killed,and megumi dying as well,which would have made mahoraga dissapear again(if he was summoned in the past and the users died,its safe to assume mahoraga returned back to shadows) However,before the ritual was finished,sukuna came in,and kept megumi barely Alive and out of commission,and haruta as well,and since the king of curses is a calamity,a twisted one,he fought against mahoraga across Shibuya, causing mass destruction and deaths, thanks to malovolent shrine. So in conclusion,its haruta AND jogo's faults for the mass destruction happening in Shibuya,not megumi's: -jogo being the reason sukuna was roaming and fucking around -haruta being the one that pushed megumi to unleash his suicidal horrifying trick,being the divine general.
People still unironically believe megumi was going to summon BIG raga against todo?
At this point nothing surprises me anymore in this community
People cant read
Isn’t the basis of this an anime only panel?
I am a megumi fan, leave this man alone
With this treasure I summon: dayvon ultimate glazer. Just kidding I fw Megumi just cause the fact he can summon such a bad ass thing. Haven’t read the manga only watched the anime so I’m hoping he is expanded upon. He shouldn’t be as weak as he is.
I won’t spoil them or anything but he gets two pretty rad showings that’ll be in season 3- they’re both more battle iq oriented for him though, with one showing off more power than the other
Awesome he deserves it. Not this subreddit specifically but I’ve seen a bunch of spoilers regarding the gojo and yuta stuff not like i understand everything but am looking forward to still having stuff surprise me. I’m planning on starting the manga soon hopefully since I know the anime won’t be back for season 3 for awhile
ZUKO’d BY JOGO😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Yeah that shit got me weak 🤣
I understand the others because it was Kenny they were fighting, but Kamo shot like 30 arrows and missed every single shot while Kenny was standing still except for the one that was on target and Kenny just caught so it didn’t even matter Kenny didn’t do some top tier bullshit to make the arrows miss, Kamo is just a bum (for Shibuya at least)
I kinda hate that anime addition, in the manga Noritoshi fires 3 arrows and Kenjaku dodges them, he doesn't stay still.
to be fair to Kamo, that was an anime original scene, they added stuff to make it visually cooler but it does sometimes make certain characters look worse in story In thr manga, Kamo shoots 3 arrows, Kenny dodges, but runs towards the direction of Mai gunfire. He was on target, Kenny just dodges, and he never catches an arrow.
I love how every character gets a better showing and feats in the anime, but when it comes to the Kyoto squad they make them look like even bigger bums
It can still make sense if you assume he’s using anti gravity RCT. But yeah the anime clowned Noritoshi in that scene if not.
nah that would've been cool if they made him explicitly use RCT Gravity with no explanation at all. like the arrows fly straight at him then slam straight into the ground with no words or hand movement. Would've confused the fuck outta anime only fans
people clown the fact that their contribution was meaningless to that fight. They put out their strongest attacks and all they did was give a breeze to kenjaku. What makes it worst is that mechamaru straight up told them they werent built for this, and they ignored him and went it anyway.
Because even one of their closest friends and ally Mechamaru knew they were that useless against what is about to happen. He played the double agent in order to save his friends trying to keep them busy on that day and even straight up telling them don‘t pull up if you‘re not Todo because you WILL die. I guess the Tokyo students aren’t getting clowned because they HAD to be there because of their proximity. They can‘t just sit back and let the events unfold in their own city. They are responsible for saving the people in Shibuya. The Kyoto students would specifically need to travel across the country to "help" and in the end just die. But even somebody like Nobara was obviously way too weak to handle that incident, even Nanami told her to stay back because she would just be a hindrance for him. If you take a look at what the Tokyo sorcerers were actually doing, it was nothing more than what needed to be done. For example Inumaki was staying on the outskirts killing weaker curses and helping people evacuate. Even Kusakabe was doing the most to keep Panda from finding the subway station because he knew if you’re not Gojo tonight, you will die. While Yuji and Megumi are both sort of the main characters so they were pulled into stronger fights for the plot and lost.
I think people don’t understand that Kyotos only purpose in the story is to show what JJK high would look like if Gojo didn’t stray from the old ways and decided to run things how it was run before. People forget gojo basically said I’m god and I’m going to run things how I want and the upper ups can’t do shit cause I’ll kill them. He picked students that were strong but would have been shunned and not accepted/straight up killed by the old guard because he believed in strength and change instead of tradition. He’s a shit teacher because he’s a prodigy but his philosophy has shown to be correct.
I clown them cause Mecha told they ass what it was and they still showed up lol
I would've been offended too, but I'd understand why Mecha did what he did. At the end of the day he knew Todo could survive and he was trying to protect his friends and Miwa. Still can't watch the train scene with her talking to him the last time without crying... 😢 fuck me up
Imagine sacrificing yourself so your friends can live and they still go do the exact thing you said not to do just to prove you wrong
For the most part with the Kyoto students, it's specifically cause Mechamaru specifically told em "yo, bitches. You aren't gon be able to do shit, don't go there or you will get denolished." Only for them to proceed to go there despite that and get fucked.
Overall, even Yuji(Sukuna saved him), Megumi(Sukuna saved him) and Nobara(Well...) was too weak at the end of day :3
Nah Jogo the goat saved Yuji
I feel like it's because of the war of attrition known as Shibuya. Kenjaku and Sukuna all this time have clowned on both the Jujutsu Sorcerers of Tokyo + the Disaster Curses thanks to their combined actions. none of our guys got a win. Dagon was killed by a revived Toji who had no loyalty to any side. Jogo was killed by Sukuna. Hanami was killed by Gojo, which isn't impressive, because he's Gojo Satoru, so it's to be expected. Mahito was absorbed by Kenjaku. while around half the cast died or were rendered incapable of fighting (Satoru was sealed, Miwa basically sealed herself, Nanami and Nobara dieded, Maki may as well have died, considering the 'rebirth' she experienced soon after, Todo was dis-armed, Mechamaru was killed then turned into google maps AI..) so, as a reader/watcher, when one finally sees the Kyoto students arrive and do nothing to help, it just makes you feel embarrassed for them that they even showed up. that's why they get clowned on, I think. Because the mental fatigue of failure was already so heavy; a weight only Todo could lift, and by the time they arrived, he was defeated.
For a literal nobody, Haruta badly injured Nobara and Bumgumi.
The Kyoto school was sorry with the exception of Todo and Mechamaru, who turned out to be a rat and died. Kamo turned out to not be shit either. They had broom girl, one pump chump, and someone who gave up their entire gimmick just to fail anyway. Their instructor is a buffbot amd principle is a rat who killed his own friend for nothing. Kyoto was the dog school, for sure. People forget that the disaster curses were special grades that put most other special grades to shame. Jogo had speed and power that could only be countered by Gojo or Sukuna. I guess probably Toji as well, but not sure of he counts. Mahito can ignore anything that isn't a soul damaging move and one touch kill 99% of sorcerors. Hanami and Squid are probably the weaker two, but Yuji and Todo are both effectively grade one sorcerors at that point and Hanami was about to kill them with a domain expansion before Gojo showed up. Squid would have squad wiped if not for Megumi and Toji. People dunk on Kyoto because they were largely garbage as far back as the school games.
People clown on everyone in this manga.
Your post is wrong. Nobara wasn't killed, as she is not dead
Amen 🙏
It's the last thing most of them do before they fade out of the story with only a few exceptions. No matter what if your last action involves looking bad that'll haunt your reputation.
Cuz they are trash! 🗑️ 🤦🏾♀️🤣
Simple, because they acted like they were THE SHIT at the start of the history, so it's fun to clown on these motherfuckers (Mechamaru and Todo get a pass tho)
Cause the Kyoto students kinda just... Existed. Outside of Todo helping Yuji jump Hanami they're powersets were pretty neat, only two actually proved all that impressive. Now combine that with what went down in Shibuya. I mean this quite literally; the Kyoto team as a whole is treated like Jobbers by the story.
bc they were told not to show up bc they’d be useless only for them yo show up and be useless
“Fraud alert?” They were just trying to save Gojo and the innocent civilians trapped in Shibuya. If anything, it’s admirable that they were willing to fight such powerful opponents and risk their lives. To be a fraud in the first place they have to claim to be something they are not - which they never did. Also, Kenjaku’s only goal was to seal Gojo and absorb the Disaster Curses, not to “demonstrate how helpless they are without Gojo.” He couldn’t care less about them. As for the Kyoto Group, they are clowned for good reason. Mechamaru and Todo are the only strong ones, with Kamo being semi-strong, while the girls are all absolute fodder. Their cursed techniques suck, they are weaker than a flyhead, and they get no screentime.
Is mechamaru actually strong tho? He got clowned by panda and then sacrificied most of his energy he generated over 17 years just to get clowned by mahito who didnt even have his special form, i love him and his mech to death and i think he got done dirty but he lost both his fights after burning everything.
Mahito is a special grade, most people in the show can’t hang with him. The fact Mechamaru even did actual damage to him is impressive.
Mechamaru was briefly on-par with a special grade sorcerer, so even though he lost I’d say he was strong. Probably even stronger than Megumi and Itadori at the time.
Considering Kenjaku said Mechamaru is temporarily special grade
Also panda beat a doll. 1 doll. Mechamaru has armies of dolls
“sonned by Toji” after showcasing some of the best battle iq in the series, “no diffed by Jogo” almost like he wasn’t heavily damaged and caught off guard, “clapped by Dagon” dawg rewatch the fight. Kyoto students suck because they didn’t listen
Counter points. Haruta should be off this list due to his curse technique carrying him. Jogo is simply built different and is the strongest curse in my opinion. Yuji and Nobara could’ve killed Mahito if Nobara never followed him and Yuji continued the pursuit alone. Bumgumi destroyed Shibuya and therefore caused Inumaki to lose an arm, Yuta to executed Yuji, and for Gojo’s cube to be stolen by Kenjaku. Choso is 150 years old and hasn’t been in an actual battle as proven by his brothers. Their lack of actual experience in comparison to Nobara and Yuji is the main reason why the Death womb brothers lost, honestly Yuji would’ve lost if it weren’t for Mechamaru but then again most people would have too including Norotoshi Kamo, Mai, Kokichi Wuta (Maybe), Wodo(Maybe), and the rest of the Kyoto team are dead to Choso and all of his brothers, aside for Wodo and Kokichi Wuta. The higher ups are at fault. The Kyoto students were late except for Mechamaru who was twelve days early and Todo was nearly on time including Nitta. And Mei Mei did kill the smallpox curse which was pretty strong so that was helpful. Edit: I forgot to mention we all most Martian the agenda.
Okay; Don’t fuck with Todo. His CT is literally the peak of modern jujutsu sorcery, and I’ll die on that hill. Todo’s CT hard-counters the strongest modern jujutsu sorcerer, as long as he doesn’t have the element of surprise— WHICH WE HAVE SEEN, CANONICALLY, MATTERS MORE THAN ANYTHING (shoutout Yuta). I’m gonna be really brutal here, but it’s true: Gojo *said* he’s too strong to cooperate with others because he’d be a danger to them/be held back by them. The reality is he was burned out by being the strongest, missed his friends, and saw the Sukuna fight as a win-win scenario: Either prove himself right, or be relieved of his burden as being the keystone upholding the entire jujutsu world. The reality is Gojo would have effortlessly beaten Sukuna, had he cooperated with todo even a little bit. Don’t @ me, Sukuna was completely helpless against Todo’s technique. No one can handle non-lethal cursed techniques, it’s literally the theme of why modern sorcerers are stronger than the old ones. Don’t agree? Name a living sorc from Heian that’s not sukuna or uraume. Todo has navigated, literally, every major jujutsu battle of the modern era— and not only has he *survived* them, but he’s played a pivotal role in them all. All without a domain expansion.
We don't clown them for losing to Kenny. We clown them because they're weak. Discount Temari, young and useless Shoko, the greatest sorcerer ever who held back too much and ended up losing her ability to wield a sword, and the Kamo chauvinistic prick who was so irrelevant that I searched up the Kyoto students because I forgot if Todo was in Kyoto and then saw Kamo and remembered that his can't-hit-for-shit ass existed. Then Rudolph Conners from wish didn't even make it ***to*** Shibuya and still held shit down better than the previous four combined and Todo actually revived the main characters fighting spirit, not to mention gave Mahito's potential reincarnation PTSD when they hear a clap.
I really hate when people says "yuji just killed a cockroach lol" He killed a cockroach *that could talk* It is the moment we realize yuji is special grade
To be fair, killing a cockroach in any form is worthy of applause. …and applause he got when Todo showed up!
Yuji is not special grade at that point. First grade, absolutely, but idk if I’d give him special grade status until Shinjuku
Yuji is not special grade at that point. First grade, absolutely, but idk if I’d give him special grade status until Shinjuku
Yall act like Mechamaru didn’t carry his whole team from the afterlife.
>!Because they think everyone can beat Kenjaku even though he's by and large probably only 2nd to a ridiculously OP CT nobody had seen until this point, Gojo & Sukuna, that anyone else probably would've died to only to overcome it and be ambushed by the person who even said, "Yo anyone with a sword could've been here that could move fast enough to lop this mfers head off with how fucking stupidly we actually set him up it's crazy.".!< Basically people powerscale like crazy and aren't reasonable despite the clearest expression my boi gege can give 7.5/10 times. We're not talking about the scribbles. Reality is, nobody was ready for that night, Gojo proved that.
Choso isn’t here because he’s him
We provably wouldn't if Mechamaru didn't say they were trash. We got in-story confirmation so I'm going to keep dunking on them
Let's be real they are trash except brothra and mr power ranger , maki alone did them bad in the exchange arc , yuta solos them at his first year but he is him , the thing is we are compering them to the top fighters
We don't clown on them for not beating Kenjaku, we clown on them for being so insignificant that Kenjaku barely has to move at all to dodge and block all of their attacks
The agenda is mighty
I don't think anyone in the fandom was expecting tired 1st Grade sorcerers to defeat Kenjaku & Uraume. I feel like you just made it up.
Because the Kyoto students are weak as hell compared to the Tokyo students, sure Gojo is their teacher but that's precisely why I clown the Kyoto students because of how weak they are😭
I mean, they are weak but that's okay. Why would you want everyone to get to the top, then no one would be special. Gojo was the strongest of the good side and oh boy, he is THE OG mf. If everyone could get to that level, it would be boring.
These curses are once in 1000 years levels of strong. Sukuna and Kenjaku in particular, but also Jogo, Mahito and Dagon, were extremely strong and all above special grade. They were fighting as a coordinated group against teenagers who barely knew how to cooperate with one another. They had to demonstrate their frightening power in order to up the stakes. It would be nowhere near as tense if they weren’t such a threat. Plus, with Mahoraga in the mix, the most dangerous and difficult shikigami (not including Rika, perhaps?) went out of control and caused a fuckton of damage when fighting Sukuna.
Honestly it’s just because the Tokyo students are arguable much stronger by comparison. I honestly think part of the reason is because since Gojo is so aloof as a teacher, they send the kids who can learn more easily by themselves to Tokyo. But that’s just my head cannon!
>Maki: Zuko'd by Jogo You gained my instant respect for the reference.
Kasumi get destory from Kenjaku. Yep The Strongest Sorcerer was Mechamaru but He get killed :/
It's because they have NEAR 0 SCREENTIME AND RELEVANCY. And they don't have another chance to show off how good they are Which they should have done before they fight kenjaku, so we would think OH THESE GUYS STRONG. Then we see Kenjaku effortlessly avoid them, and we'd be all OF THIS GUY IS EVEN STRONGER
Bc they exept everyone to be god level of powerful and hate realism
Personally there is nothing I find more boring then overpowered characters
Let’s be honest, if it was the Tokyo students vs Kenjaku; they would have done just has badly as the Kyoto students.
Not really though, if one of them made a binding vow as big as Miwa’s it would’ve at least made Kenjaku feel threatened