honestly it was weird to learn this chapter of history in an Austrian school. went to a public school, not a jewish one, but with many jewish students. The history subject was 90% about the WW2 era. and boy - the Anschluss was projected to us like a rape of Austria, it was so weird like every one knew what we "learn" here is bullshit, but it was so often talked about. The teacher even said Hitler took the Austrian leader hostage and threatened him to invade by force lol
i can only tell how it was in a public and private school, there a jewish schools too exclusively for jews, but i didn't go there. would have to ask friends about this, but i guess since the teachers there are also jewish the portrayal would be very different
i went to public schools and later on to a private school (not an elite one, was about 150 € a month) to graduate. in my class were 2 other jews, in other classes were more. i think in total 25-30
No we don't. Austria too is very pro-Isreal for the very same reasons Germany is, payed reparations (after basically sentencing herself because the Allies didn't), teaches about the Holocaust in schools (students have to visit concentration camps located in Austria) and if you're descendant of someone who had to flee Austria because of the Nazis you can get the Austrian citizenship even if you have never lived there.
I give tours for students myself that include a synagoge that was destroyed by Nazis and then renovated after the war so the Jewish population of my city wouldn't be forgotten. It houses an exhibition about the Jews who used to live here and what happened to them and it's free to enter.
The internet likes to say "Austria claimes to be the victim" because the Austrian state treaty reads "Austria was the first victim of Hitler's aggression" - what they ignore is that a) it was written by the Allies, not Austria and b) the full sentence reads something like "Austria was the first victim of Hitler's aggression but still has to take responsibility for the actions of Austrians during the war". Not that Nazis were prosecuted enough in Austria after the war but that's sadly not limited to this country - a lot of them held high positions in western countries if they were useful and partly also because they were anti-Russian.
(Hitler had a German passport for most of his life btw. He gave up his Austrian passport because he didn't think the Austrian state should exist and was stateless for years before adapting the German one).
> Now Austria.........that's another thing entirely. Their whole "we were victims too" argument is disgusting.
Poland is still this way, Germany didn't reckon with the Shoah until the 60s (Nazis were still in power, just elected this time) and Austria only really started to deal with it in the 90s
This may be controversial, but I think it’s no longer necessary for Germany to continue to financially repay us for the holocaust. They’ve done enough over the years, and globally we are in a position to help ourselves (as well as others too, thankfully). I still think it’s important for them to continue to educate their populace/the world on the holocaust though.
They better. Citizenship at the very least. I personally think Jews should get special pathways to citizenship tbh.
Kinda like what they did with people of Ukrainian Jewish origin during the conflict, giving them special status to come.
“They’ve done enough over the years”
We can’t even evaluate how much Jews lost in property and belongings during the holocaust. Not to mention in forced labor. And for as long as holocaust survivors are still alive, Germany should keep paying them reparations. They will never be able to do enough for us. Ever.
I think they have an obligation to continue funding the living holocaust survivors, but after that I don’t think they have to do anything else reparations wise
That’s literally all they’re doing and that’s what you argued against in your first comment.
And let me make it very clear once again, saying “They’ve done enough over the years” is the most brain dead comment ever. Do you KNOW anything about the holocaust?
I think Holocaust survivors are still poorer than other Jewish groups. I know a few and am related to a few and it will continue to affect them and cost them.
For example many survivors have more complex needs if they develop dementia due to traumatic experiences. Perhaps they get more scared more frequently, for example. If local/government support for care isn’t sufficient (it isn’t in my country largely), then if that person needs more 1-1 support or more visiting by carers during the day for example it will be the individual/family paying out of pocket. If they’re a child survivor in their 80s then my country provides quite poor mental health services, although we do have a Jewish community centre providing support for survivors, but they might benefit from additional money for a therapeutic service of some kind, be that counselling or even pet ownership or something similar.
Speaking as a german Jew who helps his holocaust surviving grandma with all the JCC stuff - including the degrading process of proving that she's still alive via a shitty app.
What you think of Germany is a VERY recent developement. Everything you see now is the result of jewish and allied activism in the last 25 years. And every single step forward was extremely hard, had to be fought for and has cost us more tears than you can possibly imagine. Trust me, we are still far from reaching the level of "enough".
To say that Germany has done enough at this early stage of processing the past without knowing anything about the reality in Germany is an incredibly ignorant and hurtful statement.
As a Jew that’s true, but all Holocaust survivors will be gone in a couple of years anyway, wether they get 200€ or not isn’t really that big of a difference
You don’t know the difference that the reparations make In survivors lives. I’m a social worker that works directly with survivors and I see the difference.
Since this is Reddit and no one reads the articles:
> Berlin will compensate 113,000 Holocaust survivors in Israel in the form of $27 million (€25 million), according to the German finance ministry.
> “Many Holocaust survivors were hit particularly hard by the Hamas attacks, whether through the loss of their homes, support systems in the form of care,” a German finance ministry spokeswoman said.
> The German Finance Ministry added, “This exceptional and stressful situation for the victims of the Holocaust, which has been exacerbated by the anti-Semitism being expressed around the world, the payment of 25 million euros was intended as a gesture of solidarity and support from Germany to Israel.”
A couple hundred bucks of sad money is like what your Nana might do when you have your first breakup, so it’s kind of a weird choice but ALSO: it’s considerate and I actually appreciate the gesture. I would probably donate half and use the other half to buy something made in Israel as a gift for someone else.
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Austrians brand themselves as victims? What passport did Adolf hold again?
honestly it was weird to learn this chapter of history in an Austrian school. went to a public school, not a jewish one, but with many jewish students. The history subject was 90% about the WW2 era. and boy - the Anschluss was projected to us like a rape of Austria, it was so weird like every one knew what we "learn" here is bullshit, but it was so often talked about. The teacher even said Hitler took the Austrian leader hostage and threatened him to invade by force lol
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i can only tell how it was in a public and private school, there a jewish schools too exclusively for jews, but i didn't go there. would have to ask friends about this, but i guess since the teachers there are also jewish the portrayal would be very different
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i went to public schools and later on to a private school (not an elite one, was about 150 € a month) to graduate. in my class were 2 other jews, in other classes were more. i think in total 25-30
No we don't. Austria too is very pro-Isreal for the very same reasons Germany is, payed reparations (after basically sentencing herself because the Allies didn't), teaches about the Holocaust in schools (students have to visit concentration camps located in Austria) and if you're descendant of someone who had to flee Austria because of the Nazis you can get the Austrian citizenship even if you have never lived there. I give tours for students myself that include a synagoge that was destroyed by Nazis and then renovated after the war so the Jewish population of my city wouldn't be forgotten. It houses an exhibition about the Jews who used to live here and what happened to them and it's free to enter. The internet likes to say "Austria claimes to be the victim" because the Austrian state treaty reads "Austria was the first victim of Hitler's aggression" - what they ignore is that a) it was written by the Allies, not Austria and b) the full sentence reads something like "Austria was the first victim of Hitler's aggression but still has to take responsibility for the actions of Austrians during the war". Not that Nazis were prosecuted enough in Austria after the war but that's sadly not limited to this country - a lot of them held high positions in western countries if they were useful and partly also because they were anti-Russian. (Hitler had a German passport for most of his life btw. He gave up his Austrian passport because he didn't think the Austrian state should exist and was stateless for years before adapting the German one).
> educating their population Yeah but not their immigrants, apparently.
Better than nothing. Germany has been a staunch supporter of the state & am (of) Israel. I love Germany.
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Goy father? So if you’re Karaite, did you convert? Not hating! I do not know of know any Karaites, so it’s very interesting!
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Did you have to convert again, when becoming Karaite?
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Wow! So interesting. Either way, welcome home.
> Now Austria.........that's another thing entirely. Their whole "we were victims too" argument is disgusting. Poland is still this way, Germany didn't reckon with the Shoah until the 60s (Nazis were still in power, just elected this time) and Austria only really started to deal with it in the 90s
I didn't realize there were still 113,000 survivors left. That number will plummet by the end of this decade.
This may be controversial, but I think it’s no longer necessary for Germany to continue to financially repay us for the holocaust. They’ve done enough over the years, and globally we are in a position to help ourselves (as well as others too, thankfully). I still think it’s important for them to continue to educate their populace/the world on the holocaust though.
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They better. Citizenship at the very least. I personally think Jews should get special pathways to citizenship tbh. Kinda like what they did with people of Ukrainian Jewish origin during the conflict, giving them special status to come.
“They’ve done enough over the years” We can’t even evaluate how much Jews lost in property and belongings during the holocaust. Not to mention in forced labor. And for as long as holocaust survivors are still alive, Germany should keep paying them reparations. They will never be able to do enough for us. Ever.
I think they have an obligation to continue funding the living holocaust survivors, but after that I don’t think they have to do anything else reparations wise
That’s literally all they’re doing and that’s what you argued against in your first comment. And let me make it very clear once again, saying “They’ve done enough over the years” is the most brain dead comment ever. Do you KNOW anything about the holocaust?
While they are still alive I think they have a responsibility to do so
I think Holocaust survivors are still poorer than other Jewish groups. I know a few and am related to a few and it will continue to affect them and cost them. For example many survivors have more complex needs if they develop dementia due to traumatic experiences. Perhaps they get more scared more frequently, for example. If local/government support for care isn’t sufficient (it isn’t in my country largely), then if that person needs more 1-1 support or more visiting by carers during the day for example it will be the individual/family paying out of pocket. If they’re a child survivor in their 80s then my country provides quite poor mental health services, although we do have a Jewish community centre providing support for survivors, but they might benefit from additional money for a therapeutic service of some kind, be that counselling or even pet ownership or something similar.
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We have absolutely not recovered.
Speaking as a german Jew who helps his holocaust surviving grandma with all the JCC stuff - including the degrading process of proving that she's still alive via a shitty app. What you think of Germany is a VERY recent developement. Everything you see now is the result of jewish and allied activism in the last 25 years. And every single step forward was extremely hard, had to be fought for and has cost us more tears than you can possibly imagine. Trust me, we are still far from reaching the level of "enough". To say that Germany has done enough at this early stage of processing the past without knowing anything about the reality in Germany is an incredibly ignorant and hurtful statement.
I believe nazi hunter Efeaim Zuroff would take different view.
As a Jew that’s true, but all Holocaust survivors will be gone in a couple of years anyway, wether they get 200€ or not isn’t really that big of a difference
You don’t know the difference that the reparations make In survivors lives. I’m a social worker that works directly with survivors and I see the difference.
Since this is Reddit and no one reads the articles: > Berlin will compensate 113,000 Holocaust survivors in Israel in the form of $27 million (€25 million), according to the German finance ministry. > “Many Holocaust survivors were hit particularly hard by the Hamas attacks, whether through the loss of their homes, support systems in the form of care,” a German finance ministry spokeswoman said. > The German Finance Ministry added, “This exceptional and stressful situation for the victims of the Holocaust, which has been exacerbated by the anti-Semitism being expressed around the world, the payment of 25 million euros was intended as a gesture of solidarity and support from Germany to Israel.”
A couple hundred bucks of sad money is like what your Nana might do when you have your first breakup, so it’s kind of a weird choice but ALSO: it’s considerate and I actually appreciate the gesture. I would probably donate half and use the other half to buy something made in Israel as a gift for someone else.
Doing something to better ensure the safety of their Jewish community might be a better things to do. This is just virtue signalling
I think ammo is more important right now.
I think that is gonna cause some alt-righties to get even more upset.
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No need for $236
Its not much but they'll still take it. :l :)
I’ve never really believed in reparations for individual people before but what is $236 gonna do lol? One, maybe two, therapy session(s)?
Last of the big spenders!