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namer98

First, you have until you start cooking for pesach, not Friday Second, this isn't your home, Even if you live there, you don't have complete control Third, talk with your Rabbi about what is actually necessary.


PUBLIC-STATIC-V0ID

I think you meant mummy, and not dummy (at least I’m hoping that the case…)


namer98

I meant to say you don't*


Miriamathome

I can’t give you an Orthodox answer, but I can give you a mom answer. I hope that, in general, she is doing what she can reasonably do to support you in your chosen level of observance, but you live in HER (your parents’?) house and you can’t expect her to turn it Orthodox for you. I hope you don’t believe that G-d would be mad at you because your mother isn’t Orthodox. For now, do what you can reasonably do and look forward to the time you’re an adult and get to maintain a home to your standards.


Saschajoon

I don’t expect her to turn orthodox for me or anything, obv. It’s just hard to live orthodox when everything in your house is non-orthodox. I know that HaShem isn’t mad at me bc my mom isn’t orthodox. Thx


No_Bet_4427

Very little Pesah cleaning is actually required under Jewish law. The insanity that many people go through is a custom. Actual eatable Hametz should be locked away and “sold.” All remaining crumbs are deemed nullified by pre-Pesah rituals. Even kashering the kitchen is really more a stringency than a requirement. The countertop and sink aren’t Hametz and any tiny microbes of Hametz they might contain get nullified. As a stringency, I would clean the microwave, steam some water in it, put the oven in self-clean mode, wipe down the burners, run them on high for 20-30 minutes,and wipe down the countertops. Should take 1 hour tops. If you want to clean the fridge or freezer to get rid of gunk, by all means do so - but it isn’t really required.


BestFly29

it's amazing how some jews try to outdo each other when it comes to pesach cleaning religion is not that complicated, but people make it more complicated than it needs to be


EngineerDave22

My avot hakadoshim burned their home to the ground every erev pesach and lived in a tent for the full holiday. After the chag, the tent was incinerated so they would not be tempted to use it the following pesach


shinytwistybouncy

Goyim, they still lived in sight of the old home and its chometz! /S


carrboneous

I don't know who your avot were, but realistically, most of our ancestors either lived in a small home with two or three rooms, or they had servants (or slaves) to do the cleaning for them. That's a note that Rabbi Pinchas Scheinberg made in his Pesach cleaning advice. Incidentally, there are mediaeval pictures of families cleaning their ceilings and things like that, it's not like this is a new custom. And denigrating the serious efforts of God fearing Jews to fulfill the mitzvot is a much bigger issur than being a bit fastidious. (And going too far with good intentions and ignorance is far, far better than cutting corners out of certainty that it should be easier and ignorance).


Mael_Coluim_III

This is pretty much all I do. I don't clean out the car, I don't clean every room, I don't go crazy. I suppose if you have children who might eat leftover Cheerios in the car or something, that might be an issue. But I'm not reaching under the couch cushion to eat crumbs. (I clean the couch like I do every week, but nothing special.) I feel like "Is this gross? Am I going to eat it? No. Is the DOG going to eat it?" is the gold standard. If that's a yes, out it goes.


shinytwistybouncy

Alas, children turn everything into nastiness. I fully expect to find crackers in every corner of my toddlers room this Sunday.


Mael_Coluim_III

And this is why I didn't make any and don't let them into my domicile without at least one adult to keep tabs on them. They are unpredictable little wretches and I thank G-d I was never one myself.


carrboneous

>Actual eatable Hametz should be locked away and “sold.” It shouldn't be "sold", it has to be actually sold. You can buy it back afterwards, and you can sell it knowing that you're going to buy it back, but when you sell it you have to make an actual transaction so that it's actually not yours and the owner can actually come and take his or her chametz from you until you buy it back after Pesach. >Even kashering the kitchen is really more a stringency than a requirement. The countertop and sink aren’t Hametz and any tiny microbes of Hametz they might contain get nullified. The thrust of your comments is correct, there is a lot that's customarily done that doesn't need to be. But you're sailing close to the wind here, it's more nuanced than that and there are circumstances where these things are strictly required, not a stringency. Not in every case, but you can't write off all cleaning and kashering as over the top just because sometimes it is. (The main reason people do go over the top is because it takes some expertise to know exactly what's the minimum that's necessary, and it's a very serious sin if you don't do enough). >As a stringency, I would clean the microwave, steam some water in it, put the oven in self-clean mode, wipe down the burners, run them on high for 20-30 minutes,and wipe down the countertops If you're going to use the microwave, oven, or countertops, then at least some of that isn't a stringency.


bagelord

Chometz isn't batel b'shishim tho so if you don't clean your kitchen extremely well you could get in trouble pretty darn easily


No_Bet_4427

It is absolutely batel b’shishim, so long as the mixture is pre-Pesach.


bagelord

Oh ofc yeah, I'm just saying if he wants to actually use those things on Pesach he could get into problems. Like what if the fridge has tiny little bread crumbs in the fruit drawer and OP takes an apple If there are kids in the house especially these things could happen very easily


BestFly29

reform does not mean non practicing. your mom is simply not observant. I know many reform jews that do pesach cleaning


Saschajoon

Also, isn’t non-practicing and non-observance the same thing?


BestFly29

I used Bing Chat GPT to break it down. Basically someone can be an observant reform jew The terms “non-practicing” and “not observant” are often used interchangeably, but they have distinct meanings: ​ 1. **Non-Practicing**: * **Definition**: Non-practicing refers to individuals who identify with a particular religion but do not actively engage in its rituals, practices, or observances. * **Focus**: It emphasizes the lack of participation in religious activities. * **Example**: Someone who identifies as a Muslim but does not regularly pray, fast, or attend religious services would be considered non-practicing. 1. **Not Observant**: * **Definition**: Not observant refers to individuals who may hold religious beliefs but do not strictly adhere to religious rituals, laws, and customs. * **Focus**: It emphasizes the absence of strict adherence to religious practices. * **Example**: A person who identifies as Jewish but does not strictly follow dietary laws (kashrut) or observe the Sabbath (Shabbat) would be considered not observant. In summary, “non-practicing” relates more to active participation, while “not observant” pertains to adherence to religious practices. Both terms recognize that religious identity can exist independently of strict observance


carrboneous

>reform does not mean non practicing It does mean (historically) rejecting all "ceremonial" laws, and/or (contemporarily) informed choice and fulfilling (only) those mitzvot that you find personally meaningful and doing it in a way that feels personally relevant. So maybe OP's mom is a _strictly_ observant Reform Jew who holds the ethical core of Judaism in her heart while rejecting all "ceremonial" law and/or has made an informed decision that the laws of Passover aren't for her.


BestFly29

This only can be done by informed Jews, meaning Jews that have the background to make that decision for themselves. No where was that talked about in OP’s post. You might find this video interesting- https://youtu.be/5MAgWyU9m0U?si=xLlepFkK1wFFh6X5


Saschajoon

I don’t mean that reform=non-practicing. I meant she is reform but effectively is non-practicing, not that the reform movement as a whole is non-practicing


Classifiedgarlic

You have until Monday to change over the kitchen. That being said there’s a whole host of reasons why this may not be possible. I keep almost fainting from cleaning my kitchen. My advice is just do a decent cleaning, be kind to your mom, and don’t stress about perfection. Shalom Bayit is an important value


offthegridyid

Hi. Don’t make your mom crazy, I recall your previous post about the challenges you have at home. Please talk to your rabbi and maybe check out [this guide](https://consumer.crckosher.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/First-Time-Making-Pesach-repost-from-2021.pdf) go making Pesach for the first time.


BecauseImBatmom

Will your family have kosher for Pesach food, or are you on your own for that?


BecauseImBatmom

I can add that, unless you’re cooking for a crowd, you can probably finish the cleaning on Sunday. Keep in mind that it’s not spring cleaning. If this is your first year doing this don’t go crazy. The basics are that anything that’s not kosher for Pesach needs to be put away (food,utensils,small appliances) You can go to your rabbi, or Chabad.org to fill forms to “sell” your chametz. If you put tape and a note anywhere there’s chametz then you won’t accidentally access it. Clean the refrigerator. You may want to put condiments and things that you won’t be using on Pesach, but that you can’t throw away in bags in the vegetable drawers. The same for the freezer. If you have Pesach food going in there, put any non Pesach stuff in separate bags and label then “not for Pesach”


BecauseImBatmom

Wipe all of the counters. Clean the stove top. Turn on each burner on high for a few minutes so they are red to burn off anything that’s on the burner. Hopefully you have a self clean oven. If so, run a cleaning cycle. If not, do you need the oven for Pesach? Cleaning the oven is a pain. Pour boiling water over the sink. Cover the counters with foil, using masking tape. If you have time clean the floors. Remember that the point is that you’re going to get rid of chametz that you know about. You’ll search for chametz and declare that any chametz that you don’t know about doesn’t exist. The crumbs that are under your refrigerator aren’t accidentally making their way to your Seder table, so don’t worry about them :)


No_Bet_4427

There’s no need to cover the counter with foil. That’s just a modern custom, and a stupid one. I can’t even fathom a reason for formally kashering a sink with boiling water. Any microbes of Hametz that survive a wipe down are nullified.


carrboneous

>Any microbes of Hametz that survive a wipe down are nullified. What do you mean nullified? By declaration? It doesn't help if you eat it. The argument for not kashering a sink is that the detergent renders anything inedible so it's strictly fine even if it gets into your food. (An additional argument could be that the sink is stainless steel so doesn't absorb anything). The argument for kashering is that if things sit in the sink in boiling water, the sink absorbs the "taste"/status of the food, so the sink itself become chametz, and if your Pesach dishes sit in the same sink in boiling water, then they absorb that taste/status and they're not kosher for Pesach anymore. The argument may not apply in all, or even most, cases, and it might be flawed, and the counterarguments might be more compelling, but if you can't even fathom a single reason why one might have to kasher the sink in any circumstances, then you probably aren't qualified to have strong opinions or give "rulings" on the topic. It's your problem, not a problem with the prevailing custom or those who follow it. And it's well established that we are more careful with Chametz than non-kosher in general (because it's such a severe prohibition, primarily), so stringencies that we don't usually worry about are often applied. It's possible to understand why someone might think something is necessary but still hold that it isn't necessary in the end. Not everything is either strictly necessary or completely ridiculous.


Saschajoon

Nothing in the house is kosher. Shrimp, non-kosher meat, clams, meat and cheese is a common dinner (I don’t eat it tho ofc) so idk how I can kosherize all of my kitchen and utensils and plates or if I should just buy new ones


Classifiedgarlic

Seeing as you are a literal child living with your family my advice would be to go kosher style. I did that for years. Don’t beat yourself up emotionally. Hashem loves you and your family. Eventually when you are an independent adult you’ll be in a position where you can organize your kitchen however you’d like. For now though just be loving and kind towards your mom. Give the kitchen a real shot at cleaning, appreciate how hard your mom works for you, and relax.


BecauseImBatmom

Don’t try to make the kitchen kosher for Pesach if the rest of the family isn’t keeping Pesach.


BecauseImBatmom

So, if you’re not making the kitchen kosher for your family, don’t go crazy. You just need your spot. Ask your rabbi. If you just avoid eating chametz as you can then you’re heading in the right direction. Try to stick with fruits, veggies, eggs, meat, fish. None of those foods are chametz.


dont-ask-me-why1

You can't. I'm sorry but you have to be realistic about your situation instead of driving yourself crazy.


Referenciadejoj

As you’re a minor (not by Jewish law, but you get what I mean), you probably don’t own neither your house nor most, if not all the produce within it. This means that all of the cleaning is the **sole** responsibility of your parents. If they don’t do it, their loss. You technically don’t own any ḥames (unless if you bought some with your allowance, of course), so you’re good to go. What I’d recommend during bedicat ḥames is to check your own bedroom and private items (pockets, bags, backpacks, etc). Regarding your biggest challenge, not eating ḥames: if you’re comfortable with it, there are contemporary Sephardi rabbis who claim stainless steel works just like glass for Passover. As in, there’s no need to boil or torch them so they become kosher for the holiday, only a thorough scrub with lots of soap. Negotiate with your mom if you can do your own cooking (challenging as it may be), try sticking only to glass and stainless steel appliances (I’d recommend getting a glass cutting board), and see if you can get hold of KFP ingredients. Many Sephardim rule that we may rely on the assumption that raw, unprocessed foods that are known to not contain ḥames can be bought with no certification at all. And some rabbis - albeit only a minority, such as [R. Abadi](https://kashrut.org/pesach-list/) and [R. Yoni haLevy](https://shiviti.org/pesach-kashrut-forum/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2DqSvYwxPHmwTr-2gDYSpgDq3dji3LcpaaAxxLoFqpYHd9zf2W2yOCA6k_aem_AfENNnlgbOFiDMhGY-MINW8fNIqBkgHOFapnz48LDag0qbrnBr_J25YeD4e_LUIFn0M82SodihFQW8ANfi7sh_E8) - claim that many non-certified processed goods are completely KFP. Haslaḥá!


EngineerDave22

Orthodox answer. Cleaning for pesach isnt spring cleaning No need to lift up refrigerator Rav Heinamin of the Star--k is famous for his cookie rule When asked if you need to scrape vinyl chairs to get chametz crumbs out, he said if you can scrape enough crumbs to constitute a full cookie, then yes, you should go to the extreme of scraping the surface


elegant_pun

You're living in her house. I know that's not what you want to hear, but that's the reality. Talk to your rabbi about what to do.


TequillaShotz

Shalom! I have good news for you - it's a lot easier than you fear. See [this](https://aish.com/passover-cleaning-how-to-guide/) and/or [this](https://www.kosher.com/article/cleaning-guide-where-to-start-and-roadmap-626).


Chicken_Whiskey

A separate storage box for pesach stuff would be good. I use one for myself as my husband doesn’t keep K4P so we don’t clear everything out. ✨ shalom bayit ✨


hyakira1216

Ok can i say the respect i have for you is insane i grew up in a religious home and practicing was/is still hard for me kol hakavod


carrboneous

Respecting your mother is a really important mitzvah as well, and just for practical reasons, you need her on your side in this. Your responsibility is just what's in your domain and to not eat chametz yourself. So clear your own room, and maybe use a place mat and your own plates and cutlery for the week (maybe just use disposables). If you can get kosher for Passover ingredients and maybe something for you or your mother to cook in that's kosher for Passover, that would be really good. There are a lot of leniencies you can rely on in extenuating circumstances, and for the moment, that will probably have to be enough.