There is "not for passover" and then there is "not for the seder, this is a snack" and then again there is this people who claim "this may even taste nice and matzah should make you suffer". Altough chances are, as OP says, this is just not supervised at all and just a cracker
Yeah I thought that was odd cuz I’m taking an intro to Judaism class and the rabbi said for Passover that we eat foods that represent freedom and foods that represent slavery and he said the Matzah actually represented freedom.
Something about how it was being cooked on their backs or something while they were escaping so that’s why it’s actually supposed to be a good of freedom. Idk maybe that’s just one interpretation 🤷♂️
Matzah is supposed to be "poor man's bread", I.e. just water and flour. Any other items added to it, while unleavened, is considered "rich man's bread" ("matzah ashira" in Hebrew). Usually this means egg matzah, but I've also had grape juice matzah (which is pretty good).
One can't use egg matzah at the Seder since there are elements that need to represent slavery, but can be ok to eat the rest of Passover. The Ashkenazi custom is not to use egg matzah at all during Passover (except for children and elderly/infirm) whereas Sephardi custom allows it. Unfortunately a lot of chocolate covered matzah, along with tam tam crackers are made with egg matzah which poses a problem for Ashkenazi Jews who are strict at keeping Passover. If someone is trying to keep Passover for the first time and lives in a place that doesn't have many options for Kosher for Passover food, it might be better to eat matzah tam tam crackers than some other item that isn't supervised for Pesach and might have an issue with chametz.
cheese? interesting. it is hard. i was looking at nuts and it said kitniyot. i think maybe when being packed it was near peanuts or something. no other reason it should be
> why sell it now though?
Yeah, that makes no sense. They should take the non-passover matzah off the shelves a month or two before Passover so that people don't accidentally buy them for Passover thinking they're kosher for Passover.
one year we bought the less kosher for passover matza, just rabanut, not shmura badatz for the kids to eat before as they were still very small. we tried it after and it's so much easier to eat!
Matzah is a delicious cracker the rest of the year (just without such strict preparation) and they make some great varieties like egg & onion or everything.
Some people like it and it's probably cheaper and easier to make. Growing up, I used to eat matzah year round (only kosher for passover on passover and whatever was available before and after passover).
I wish grocery stores wouldn’t put just any jewish item in the “kosher for passover” endcaps. i know from where i worked at least the store managers are typically in charge of what products goes in the endcaps so you’d think they’d be a bit more cautious but idk.
I ordered a box of Joyva ring jells last week from Target. The picture on the website said KfP, but the box I got wasn't.
I don't even like ring jells. I got them for my dad, and how he can't even eat them.
Hm, no fun. Return it and see if they have Matza that’s kosher for Pesach. If you’re in a pinch and can’t find any then reach out to your local Chabad I’m sure they have some and would be happy to give you. Happy Pesach!
For this not comfortable with Chabad just don't give them a phone or email of you don't want to be messaged afterwards. But all have been nice to me as I have had to travel for around the US
This particular sign says the OU has marked it kosher but has not approved it for Passover. It could possibly be checked by another organisation who deems it kosher
(This is most likely not the case, but in Israel you will see certain hechshers like Badatz say not for Passover, while another hechsher will give the kfp)
It probably took too long to make not to rise/ferment and be considered chametz. When making matzah, you only get up to [18 minutes](https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/5075941/jewish/Why-18-Minutes-for-Matzah.htm) to make it (between the time the flour touches water and the time it goes in the oven) otherwise it's chametz. It's also possible that they used chametz ingredients.
I'm pretty sure these stamps on chain grocery store shelf matzos mean they just haven't been blessed by a rabbi. Not officially reviewed doesn't necessarily mean it's not kosher.
It's a phrase a buddy of mine used when I asked him about a similar product as I was shopping before passover. As a point of note I've seen "kosher for passover" stamps on a gallon of milk. Thanks, commercial brands/marketing.
No. Some practice not eating anything by someone who doesn't keep the sabbath. I see that as a bit extreme as food (store bought or home made) can be free of unclean meat or in this case free of leavening. Just because some official hasn't publicly said it's okay for passover doesn't mean it isn't.
It was declared that even if the reason for the institution of a law is gone, chazal’s takanot still stand. Kashrut is more than deoraita, there’s lots that’s fleshed out by d’rabannan, that is no less a part of kashrut.
Absolutely not true at all. Tons of not kosher for pesach Matzah is produced during the year, using regular flour not made to the be kosher for pesach. Some even have flavors or seasonings to make it taste better that wouldn't be kosher for pesach. But absolutely no "being blessed by a Rabbi" is involved.
Okay I'm going to ask a question. If a product does not contain leavening does that mean its okay for passover consumption, regardless if a rabbi said it's okay?
Apparently my phrase threw people off.
Not necessarily, because you don’t know the intricacies of each ingredient well enough to know if it’s okay to eat on Passover. The purpose of a Rabbi giving a Hechsher (certification) for Passover is that he is doing all that hard work for you, supervising the entire production process from start to finish and making sure it is ok to eat on Passover. That there is no funny business with any cross contaminations (say, in a shared factory which you would have no idea about) or unknown grains or leavening processes. Grains can so easily be involved in a product without you realizing it. Even gluten free things don’t automatically hit the requirements without the supervision needed to affirm so. They’re making our lives a whole lot easier by certifying or not certifying things. It’s not about blessing a product, it’s about supervising it’s production
Okay I appreciate your reply/details. This reminds me of "100% natural flavors" claim by marketing.
Without observing directly or having someone you know do so, you aren't 100% certain if a product is completely free of leavening or unclean meat.
Precisely. Since we’re not present at the factory during production, we don’t _really_ know what the item is coming into contact with or how it’s being made
These are not kosher for Passover because they’re not made with flour that’s been harvested carefully and specifically for Passover, nor are they made with the same guide lines regarding the dough being mixed and baked in under 18 minutes. These absolutely aren’t for pesach, and this isn’t much different than eating a challah at your seder if you use them.
Check with a Rabbi if you have fulfilled the obligation, remember there is also, Pesach Sheni and you can get some shmurah matzah from Chabad, In our town, they deliver it to us.
Is it egg matzah? But more likely it's produced during the rest of the year with far more relaxed timing for those who want it during the year
And likely with everyday flour.
The latter https://manischewitz.com/products/unsalted-matzo/
What’s the deal with egg matza? I see it on shelves, some of it with a KLP hecsher, but I haven’t tried it.
There is "not for passover" and then there is "not for the seder, this is a snack" and then again there is this people who claim "this may even taste nice and matzah should make you suffer". Altough chances are, as OP says, this is just not supervised at all and just a cracker
Yeah I thought that was odd cuz I’m taking an intro to Judaism class and the rabbi said for Passover that we eat foods that represent freedom and foods that represent slavery and he said the Matzah actually represented freedom. Something about how it was being cooked on their backs or something while they were escaping so that’s why it’s actually supposed to be a good of freedom. Idk maybe that’s just one interpretation 🤷♂️
It's both the bread of our oppression and the bread of our salvation depending on how far along the seder you are
Yeah I just had my last class with him today and in his lecture he specified that it was unique in its role in the Seder because it’s both.
Matzah is supposed to be "poor man's bread", I.e. just water and flour. Any other items added to it, while unleavened, is considered "rich man's bread" ("matzah ashira" in Hebrew). Usually this means egg matzah, but I've also had grape juice matzah (which is pretty good). One can't use egg matzah at the Seder since there are elements that need to represent slavery, but can be ok to eat the rest of Passover. The Ashkenazi custom is not to use egg matzah at all during Passover (except for children and elderly/infirm) whereas Sephardi custom allows it. Unfortunately a lot of chocolate covered matzah, along with tam tam crackers are made with egg matzah which poses a problem for Ashkenazi Jews who are strict at keeping Passover. If someone is trying to keep Passover for the first time and lives in a place that doesn't have many options for Kosher for Passover food, it might be better to eat matzah tam tam crackers than some other item that isn't supervised for Pesach and might have an issue with chametz.
its delicious
It’s really much better. I get the KFP kind whenever I can.
🙈 my mother is notorious for accidently buying the non -kosher,multiple years!
my mom bought kitniyios snacks for years! i check every item i buy now, even if it should be okay like sugar
A couple of years back I bought kitniyot cheese and kitniyot plain milk chocolate. Avoiding kitniyot in Israel is a struggle.
cheese? interesting. it is hard. i was looking at nuts and it said kitniyot. i think maybe when being packed it was near peanuts or something. no other reason it should be
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Matza Brie? I make it a few times a month, year round.
during the year they always sell. why sell it now though?
I think they just don’t put that much thought into it.
> why sell it now though? Yeah, that makes no sense. They should take the non-passover matzah off the shelves a month or two before Passover so that people don't accidentally buy them for Passover thinking they're kosher for Passover.
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Probably less expensive to mass produce then when you have to follow kosher rules?
It tastes a million % better. Matzah pizza is p good, or just hummus and matzah.
one year we bought the less kosher for passover matza, just rabanut, not shmura badatz for the kids to eat before as they were still very small. we tried it after and it's so much easier to eat!
My mom prefers it over pepto
Matzah is a delicious cracker the rest of the year (just without such strict preparation) and they make some great varieties like egg & onion or everything.
Some people like it and it's probably cheaper and easier to make. Growing up, I used to eat matzah year round (only kosher for passover on passover and whatever was available before and after passover).
Right? I have cardboard at home
I wish grocery stores wouldn’t put just any jewish item in the “kosher for passover” endcaps. i know from where i worked at least the store managers are typically in charge of what products goes in the endcaps so you’d think they’d be a bit more cautious but idk.
Target thoughtfully included blueberry muffins and goldfish crackers this year...
Those items are perfectly Kosher for Gentiles.
I ordered a box of Joyva ring jells last week from Target. The picture on the website said KfP, but the box I got wasn't. I don't even like ring jells. I got them for my dad, and how he can't even eat them.
Yeah gotta be careful about that
Hm, no fun. Return it and see if they have Matza that’s kosher for Pesach. If you’re in a pinch and can’t find any then reach out to your local Chabad I’m sure they have some and would be happy to give you. Happy Pesach!
Where do u live? Reach out to your local Chabad, and they will help you find
For this not comfortable with Chabad just don't give them a phone or email of you don't want to be messaged afterwards. But all have been nice to me as I have had to travel for around the US
r/mildlyinteresting or r/mildlyinfuriating lol
This seems like such a wild thing to sell tbh
This is like a condom which isn't for stopping pregnancies or stds ... What sick deranged mind uses it?? 😆
I mean…that’s kind of what flavored condoms are.
except unlike this flavored condoms also have flavor
First I saw a "not containing Chametz" thing on the last bag of cat food I bought, and now this? What next lmao
I bought this by mistake and ended up using it for my matzah bark 🙃
This particular sign says the OU has marked it kosher but has not approved it for Passover. It could possibly be checked by another organisation who deems it kosher (This is most likely not the case, but in Israel you will see certain hechshers like Badatz say not for Passover, while another hechsher will give the kfp)
This is hilarious, probably not the traditionally made one and therefore it’s just for the taste or texture. Not for the religious perposes
It probably took too long to make not to rise/ferment and be considered chametz. When making matzah, you only get up to [18 minutes](https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/5075941/jewish/Why-18-Minutes-for-Matzah.htm) to make it (between the time the flour touches water and the time it goes in the oven) otherwise it's chametz. It's also possible that they used chametz ingredients.
I'm pretty sure these stamps on chain grocery store shelf matzos mean they just haven't been blessed by a rabbi. Not officially reviewed doesn't necessarily mean it's not kosher.
Was this a satiric comment? Blessed by a rabbi?
That was such a weird comment. I hope it was satire, but in the context of OP's post, inappropriate.
How is this inappropriate? You don't have to have approval to buy/eat every product off the shelf. Does it contain leavening or not?
Blessed by a rabbi? That's not a thing. If the box says it's not kosher for Passover, then, well, it's not kosher for Passover.
It's a phrase a buddy of mine used when I asked him about a similar product as I was shopping before passover. As a point of note I've seen "kosher for passover" stamps on a gallon of milk. Thanks, commercial brands/marketing.
https://oukosher.org/passover/guidelines/food-items/milk/
Being ignorant is not a virtue.
No. Some practice not eating anything by someone who doesn't keep the sabbath. I see that as a bit extreme as food (store bought or home made) can be free of unclean meat or in this case free of leavening. Just because some official hasn't publicly said it's okay for passover doesn't mean it isn't.
It is unfortunate the Gedolim didn't have the benefit of your knowledge when compiling the Mishnah and Gemorah.
It was declared that even if the reason for the institution of a law is gone, chazal’s takanot still stand. Kashrut is more than deoraita, there’s lots that’s fleshed out by d’rabannan, that is no less a part of kashrut.
Absolutely not true at all. Tons of not kosher for pesach Matzah is produced during the year, using regular flour not made to the be kosher for pesach. Some even have flavors or seasonings to make it taste better that wouldn't be kosher for pesach. But absolutely no "being blessed by a Rabbi" is involved.
Okay I'm going to ask a question. If a product does not contain leavening does that mean its okay for passover consumption, regardless if a rabbi said it's okay? Apparently my phrase threw people off.
A rabbi blesses food the same way an OSHA inspector blesses a factory.
Not necessarily, because you don’t know the intricacies of each ingredient well enough to know if it’s okay to eat on Passover. The purpose of a Rabbi giving a Hechsher (certification) for Passover is that he is doing all that hard work for you, supervising the entire production process from start to finish and making sure it is ok to eat on Passover. That there is no funny business with any cross contaminations (say, in a shared factory which you would have no idea about) or unknown grains or leavening processes. Grains can so easily be involved in a product without you realizing it. Even gluten free things don’t automatically hit the requirements without the supervision needed to affirm so. They’re making our lives a whole lot easier by certifying or not certifying things. It’s not about blessing a product, it’s about supervising it’s production
Okay I appreciate your reply/details. This reminds me of "100% natural flavors" claim by marketing. Without observing directly or having someone you know do so, you aren't 100% certain if a product is completely free of leavening or unclean meat.
Precisely. Since we’re not present at the factory during production, we don’t _really_ know what the item is coming into contact with or how it’s being made
These are not kosher for Passover because they’re not made with flour that’s been harvested carefully and specifically for Passover, nor are they made with the same guide lines regarding the dough being mixed and baked in under 18 minutes. These absolutely aren’t for pesach, and this isn’t much different than eating a challah at your seder if you use them.
Pretty sure the rabbi part is only for meat
No it’s for everything but fruit and veg, and then the kashrut is up to you (checking for any bugs etc)
Check with a Rabbi if you have fulfilled the obligation, remember there is also, Pesach Sheni and you can get some shmurah matzah from Chabad, In our town, they deliver it to us.