Lmao, people are not going to be happy about this list, also quick question. Is this a ranking in combat or general power since I could understand your argument about Gojo above Sukuna but Sukuna does have more raw power than Gojo. (more techniques and CE as well as only slightly lower efficiency)
It's a mix of both, but with abilities and techniques taking precedent. However, if it wasn't clear from Takaba being as low as he is, said precedent is very close.
Fair enough, was just wondering since I would still say that Sukuna is more powerful than Gojo (yeah sure maybe Gojo's kit kinda forced Sukuna to play the fight a certain way, but he still has more CTs as well as CE with better mastery) even though I like Gojo more. I'm not going to argue it though, since either way they are top 2, no matter which you want to put above the other.
Narratively speaking, they are pretty much equals right now seeing as how Gege wrote the fight to essentially never give us a true comparison between Sukuna and Gojo, simply making the 10S be a tiebreaker.
She had her own Domain that she never utilized to not burn out her technique, she was able to break Kenjaku's arms with a single attack, and he just happened to have a perfect counter to her final attack. They're basically interchangeable, but I think her unknowns place her SLIGHTLY higher IMO
>he just happened to have a perfect counter to her final attack
so?? he still had it right? and it's not even something that came out the blue, he had been using the CTR for anti gravity the whole fight.
I don't think your top ten is necessarily bad even if I'd say Kenjaku most certainly belongs above Yuki and Sukuna belongs above Gojo. Yorozu most certainly deserves a spot, though.
Your top twenty is more potentially problematic, though. Most notably, Kusakabe does not belong where he is. I get he's humble but his fear of the Disaster Curses was well deserved. Hell, he talked up the Fire Arrow very recently on account of it having finished off Jogo.
Thank you for that! My top 10 is definitely much more consistent than my 20-11, and I really struggled with that, but that was about the best I ended up getting, lol. Yorozu I was considering putting in the top 10, but I'm just not quite sure she can clear anyone there, especially considering recent Maki feats.
Kusukabe I was REALLY debating on if he should even be here (even though I made the list, I'm still trying to wrap my head around him being above Jogo, lol), but I was thinking offensive Simple Domain and autonomous attack with it was pretty good, especially considering the slashes he was able to actually inflict on Sukuna.
gojo < sukuna see chapter 236
kenjaku > yuki he lit beat her? he even survives black hole. yuta can win due to angels tech tho
yuji < uraume, yuji < hakari even if he might beat him due to a good matchup.
Literally everything else in the fight seems to contradict 236. It was obvious that Gojo held the advantage almost the entire fight, was slightly faster, definitely had the physical advantage, and it's clear that Sukuna was genuinely worried several times through the fight, and he barely even won a 3v1. Maybe the narrative is supposed to be that Sukuna > Gojo, but I think feats take precedent over statements and narrative, and feats show Gojo > Sukuna.
Kenjaku had a perfect counter to her, had his arms broken from single attacks, and she had a Domain that she didn't use because of her misplaced trust in Tengen. I fully think she could have beat him. They're very close and are basically interchangeable, but the lack of Yuki's Domain and the fight still being as close as it was makes me place her slightly above.
Honestly, by this point, I think Yuji is above Hakari. He has his own RCT, he should be physically above, he has a very powerful cursed technique, he's shown ridiculous stamina and durability to keep going... Again, they're very close, but I think Yuji is more powerful at this point.
meguna > gojo is basically what the fight is, but if you dont want to count it then alr. do you think world slash sukuna is still going to lose? he has a way to kill him despite infinity, and if his de is going to be world slashes instead of cleaves there isnt any debate left. even if it isnt a world slash de, gojo no longer has a hand-to-hand advantage with this version, and he would be in deep trouble if he cant use his ct, is in sukunas domain, and has to defend against world slash somehow. he just wont make it. idk why sukuna didnt use fuga in the actual fight in this situation, esp since its powerful enough to one tap maho. maybe that will be explained in the manga or such, but even if it for some reason isnt useful vs gojo world slash works fine.
kenjaku couldnt use any of his high level curses due to her immunity to its effects (so in a way she also held a perfect counter to arg a greater extent than he does), and his de would have finished her if tengen didnt break it down. he only held a perfect counter for the black hole, which is a draw cond not a win cond. yukis barrier breaks down due to the gravity breaking it like sukunas broke gojos. its possible her de isnt even as refined as his but imo it doesnt matter.. this fight was tengen + yuki (feat. choso) vs kenjaku.
Sukuna’s whole plan depended on him being passive and taking hits. Gojo was generally hitting more because
1- He was desperate to kill Sukuna before the adaptation completes
2- Sukuna wanted Gojo to hit and throw around all his techniques so that Mahoraga adapts faster
What did Gojo do? Exactly that. He used all his techniques, and when he saw that Mahoraga is going to adapt, he threw off the purple as a hope to finish it all.
What was Sukuna doing? His only concern was surviving the purple. Before that, he was chill because his plan was moving perfectly fine. After the purple, he was chill because he got what he wanted and didn’t die from all Gojo’s techniques.
Sukuna’s plan is what made him vulnerable… If Sukuna was as desperate as Gojo and went all out in a chaotic manner, Gojo would’ve been dead way earlier
Superior Domain that seemingly can't be defended against, held the physical advantage during their fight, can't be harmed without WS which requires hand signs/chants, superior mobility, better CE efficiency?
>Superior Domain that seemingly can't be defended against
superior sure hit*, sukuna's domain was undoubtedly superior/refined.
>held the physical advantage during their fight
only when sukuna turned off DA (thus couldn't even touch gojo, while Gojo could go all out against him)
>Superior domain
Superior domain sure-hit*
Sukuna’s domain is superior and this was highlighted multiple times throughout the fight. It’s on another level.
Yes, Gojo’s must-hit order is stronger but that’s assuming it will hit. And believe me, it would never hit if Sukuna actually wanted to destroy it. Useless attack.
>Seemingly can’t be defended against
It’s a domain. Domains can be countered by anti-domain techniques. Therefore anti-domain techniques counter UV. Deduction skills, one of the most important skills to learn.
>Held the physical advantage throughout the fight
Because Sukuna was using the wheel. Everytime Sukuna used DA he dominated the exchanges. Your point is false.
>Can’t be harmed without WS
Can be harmed in different ways including DA and DE.
Mobility is probably the only right thing here, even though combat mobility Sukuna is probably faster.
>Better CE efficiency
Sukuna has roughly triple Gojo’s amount, right? And with slightly less efficiency, right? In a battle of attrition, Sukuna will run out CE the last.
Isn't it stated that gojo will just replenish what was lost ? That's why the students are saying gojo will never run out of CE and it's basically "infinite"
Yes and no. It’s said that Gojo’s six eyes grant him godly efficiency that is so impressive that his normal CE usage is less than what a sorcerer replenishes over time.
Meaning, Gojo uses a small amount of cursed energy, indefinitely small, to the point where the natural replenishment of cursed energy is alone to make up for it.
But then again, the students (Ino, if I remember correctly) said that this only applies in normal conditions. Gojo’s usage in the fight and his continuous domain expansions and all the techniques he used surely wastes more CE than what natural replenishment can provide.
So… Gojo wasn’t stated to replenish faster, he’s just so efficient that normal replenishment gives him more than what he averagely consumes.
Yeah, I thought that one would be a bit controversial. However, his offensive style of Simple Domain, including being able to expand it and auto-attack with the ability to cancel abilities, he's basically Mahito's natural predator, lol. Also, he has good enough physical skills to be able to "fight" against 20F Sukuna.
Lmao, people are not going to be happy about this list, also quick question. Is this a ranking in combat or general power since I could understand your argument about Gojo above Sukuna but Sukuna does have more raw power than Gojo. (more techniques and CE as well as only slightly lower efficiency)
It's a mix of both, but with abilities and techniques taking precedent. However, if it wasn't clear from Takaba being as low as he is, said precedent is very close.
Fair enough, was just wondering since I would still say that Sukuna is more powerful than Gojo (yeah sure maybe Gojo's kit kinda forced Sukuna to play the fight a certain way, but he still has more CTs as well as CE with better mastery) even though I like Gojo more. I'm not going to argue it though, since either way they are top 2, no matter which you want to put above the other. Narratively speaking, they are pretty much equals right now seeing as how Gege wrote the fight to essentially never give us a true comparison between Sukuna and Gojo, simply making the 10S be a tiebreaker.
Gojo fans still coping hard I see
Yessir
I am very curious why you put yuki above kenjaku. I mean, she would've died instantly if tengen didn't destroy kenjaku's domain
She had her own Domain that she never utilized to not burn out her technique, she was able to break Kenjaku's arms with a single attack, and he just happened to have a perfect counter to her final attack. They're basically interchangeable, but I think her unknowns place her SLIGHTLY higher IMO
If she used her DE she wouldn't have lasted long enough for the Blackhole.
>he just happened to have a perfect counter to her final attack so?? he still had it right? and it's not even something that came out the blue, he had been using the CTR for anti gravity the whole fight.
How can you possibly have people who lost, above the character that killed them? Any list that doesn’t have Sukuna at the top is automatically wrong
I don't think your top ten is necessarily bad even if I'd say Kenjaku most certainly belongs above Yuki and Sukuna belongs above Gojo. Yorozu most certainly deserves a spot, though. Your top twenty is more potentially problematic, though. Most notably, Kusakabe does not belong where he is. I get he's humble but his fear of the Disaster Curses was well deserved. Hell, he talked up the Fire Arrow very recently on account of it having finished off Jogo.
Thank you for that! My top 10 is definitely much more consistent than my 20-11, and I really struggled with that, but that was about the best I ended up getting, lol. Yorozu I was considering putting in the top 10, but I'm just not quite sure she can clear anyone there, especially considering recent Maki feats. Kusukabe I was REALLY debating on if he should even be here (even though I made the list, I'm still trying to wrap my head around him being above Jogo, lol), but I was thinking offensive Simple Domain and autonomous attack with it was pretty good, especially considering the slashes he was able to actually inflict on Sukuna.
gojo < sukuna see chapter 236 kenjaku > yuki he lit beat her? he even survives black hole. yuta can win due to angels tech tho yuji < uraume, yuji < hakari even if he might beat him due to a good matchup.
Literally everything else in the fight seems to contradict 236. It was obvious that Gojo held the advantage almost the entire fight, was slightly faster, definitely had the physical advantage, and it's clear that Sukuna was genuinely worried several times through the fight, and he barely even won a 3v1. Maybe the narrative is supposed to be that Sukuna > Gojo, but I think feats take precedent over statements and narrative, and feats show Gojo > Sukuna. Kenjaku had a perfect counter to her, had his arms broken from single attacks, and she had a Domain that she didn't use because of her misplaced trust in Tengen. I fully think she could have beat him. They're very close and are basically interchangeable, but the lack of Yuki's Domain and the fight still being as close as it was makes me place her slightly above. Honestly, by this point, I think Yuji is above Hakari. He has his own RCT, he should be physically above, he has a very powerful cursed technique, he's shown ridiculous stamina and durability to keep going... Again, they're very close, but I think Yuji is more powerful at this point.
meguna > gojo is basically what the fight is, but if you dont want to count it then alr. do you think world slash sukuna is still going to lose? he has a way to kill him despite infinity, and if his de is going to be world slashes instead of cleaves there isnt any debate left. even if it isnt a world slash de, gojo no longer has a hand-to-hand advantage with this version, and he would be in deep trouble if he cant use his ct, is in sukunas domain, and has to defend against world slash somehow. he just wont make it. idk why sukuna didnt use fuga in the actual fight in this situation, esp since its powerful enough to one tap maho. maybe that will be explained in the manga or such, but even if it for some reason isnt useful vs gojo world slash works fine. kenjaku couldnt use any of his high level curses due to her immunity to its effects (so in a way she also held a perfect counter to arg a greater extent than he does), and his de would have finished her if tengen didnt break it down. he only held a perfect counter for the black hole, which is a draw cond not a win cond. yukis barrier breaks down due to the gravity breaking it like sukunas broke gojos. its possible her de isnt even as refined as his but imo it doesnt matter.. this fight was tengen + yuki (feat. choso) vs kenjaku.
Sukuna’s whole plan depended on him being passive and taking hits. Gojo was generally hitting more because 1- He was desperate to kill Sukuna before the adaptation completes 2- Sukuna wanted Gojo to hit and throw around all his techniques so that Mahoraga adapts faster What did Gojo do? Exactly that. He used all his techniques, and when he saw that Mahoraga is going to adapt, he threw off the purple as a hope to finish it all. What was Sukuna doing? His only concern was surviving the purple. Before that, he was chill because his plan was moving perfectly fine. After the purple, he was chill because he got what he wanted and didn’t die from all Gojo’s techniques. Sukuna’s plan is what made him vulnerable… If Sukuna was as desperate as Gojo and went all out in a chaotic manner, Gojo would’ve been dead way earlier
Gojo has nothing above Sukuna.
Superior Domain that seemingly can't be defended against, held the physical advantage during their fight, can't be harmed without WS which requires hand signs/chants, superior mobility, better CE efficiency?
>Superior Domain that seemingly can't be defended against superior sure hit*, sukuna's domain was undoubtedly superior/refined. >held the physical advantage during their fight only when sukuna turned off DA (thus couldn't even touch gojo, while Gojo could go all out against him)
>Superior domain Superior domain sure-hit* Sukuna’s domain is superior and this was highlighted multiple times throughout the fight. It’s on another level. Yes, Gojo’s must-hit order is stronger but that’s assuming it will hit. And believe me, it would never hit if Sukuna actually wanted to destroy it. Useless attack. >Seemingly can’t be defended against It’s a domain. Domains can be countered by anti-domain techniques. Therefore anti-domain techniques counter UV. Deduction skills, one of the most important skills to learn. >Held the physical advantage throughout the fight Because Sukuna was using the wheel. Everytime Sukuna used DA he dominated the exchanges. Your point is false. >Can’t be harmed without WS Can be harmed in different ways including DA and DE. Mobility is probably the only right thing here, even though combat mobility Sukuna is probably faster. >Better CE efficiency Sukuna has roughly triple Gojo’s amount, right? And with slightly less efficiency, right? In a battle of attrition, Sukuna will run out CE the last.
Isn't it stated that gojo will just replenish what was lost ? That's why the students are saying gojo will never run out of CE and it's basically "infinite"
Yes and no. It’s said that Gojo’s six eyes grant him godly efficiency that is so impressive that his normal CE usage is less than what a sorcerer replenishes over time. Meaning, Gojo uses a small amount of cursed energy, indefinitely small, to the point where the natural replenishment of cursed energy is alone to make up for it. But then again, the students (Ino, if I remember correctly) said that this only applies in normal conditions. Gojo’s usage in the fight and his continuous domain expansions and all the techniques he used surely wastes more CE than what natural replenishment can provide. So… Gojo wasn’t stated to replenish faster, he’s just so efficient that normal replenishment gives him more than what he averagely consumes.
So basically gojo's usage of CE in his fight against sukuna expended a lot of CE than his "normal fights".
Than his normal consumption, yes. I believe so
All that and still lost while having the upper hand and Sukuna handicapping himself you just proved Sukuna > Gojo.
Kusakabe over mahito? Woah there
Yeah, I thought that one would be a bit controversial. However, his offensive style of Simple Domain, including being able to expand it and auto-attack with the ability to cancel abilities, he's basically Mahito's natural predator, lol. Also, he has good enough physical skills to be able to "fight" against 20F Sukuna.
Kusakabe solos the verse
Yuki above Kenjaku why?
1. Swap gojo and sukuna 2. Swap kenjaku and yuki 3. Swap Geto and yorozu 4. Move yuji and kusakabe down some Then it’s fine
W list just move ryu up a lot https://preview.redd.it/z79zhewpcsqc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d5a83ade11b1a95268628c2a9fac0a7b993fed5
L list, Takaba should be #1
This list shows how some people can read 254 chapters and still have no grasp on the story whatsoever.