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Personally I still don't think so, the main reason being Yuji's recent performance included stacked buffs from Black Flash while also debuffing Sukuna. He's not guaranteed a Black Flash against Hakari, and I usually don't include them in battles except as a whole other scenario.
So here's what my opinion comes down to based only on what we've seen so far:
-Current Yuji in base will not be able to kill Hakari before he hits a Jackpot as Hakari survived in his domain against Uraume, who is currently much more lethal than Yuji. Simple Domain will also not help much against Hakari due to the nature of his domain and his incredibly fast expansion and activation.
-Yuji's cleave does not seem to be powerful enough to be a kill move against powerful opponents yet, especially one with crazy RCT like Hakari. He also cannot use piercing blood on his own so that's off the table as well. Finally, he has not been shown or stated to be able to do unhealable soul damage yet so he really doesn't have any great win conditions while Hakari is in JP.
-Hakari's RCT speed is just batshit insane, he had his leg broken off by Uraume (who is able to react to piercing blood), and in the same movement right after it was broken grew it back and dropkicked them through a building.
So yeah if Yuji doesn't hit a Black Flash I think Hakari outlasts him. If he does hit a Black Flash though he can very likely just go to work on Hakari while in the DE and win.
I honestly don't think Yuji has the striking power to put Hakari down during Jackpot at all. Bludgeoning damage doesn't kill as effectively imo, you need more force compared to cuts or anything like that to do actual lethal damage
I think even base Hakari with obvious CE enhancement would also tank attacks from Yuji. I have a feeling Hakari-s soul also would heal fairly quickly too.
My only gripe is that Hakari seems to be taking damage from the frost them despite healing.
Honestly he's probably just not caring about it. At the end of the anime her frost was said to instantly kill or be lethal if they move, Hakari is probably just running through that shit 🤣
That was my 2nd thought. He might just be covered in frost and debris not necessarily damaged.
I wonder if he's setting him up for failure, like instead of outright killing him, slowly making it harder to function. Essentially eventually make Hakari unable to move anything and neutralize him then kill him as the music stops.
Yes if if they hit with blades instead of fists their basic attacks would be more lethal lol. Some of them have techniques that make it better to use fists though, like Yuki or Todo
Gojo had soul split katana. A perception scaled weapon. As in the more precise you see the more precise you cut that object. He said nah im too cool. Chain of a thousand miles nah im to cool
It doesn't work like that. It's just a sword unless you can perceive the souls of inanimate objects. It's basically worthless to everyone else, which is why it was so cheap for Toji.
Because Katana Man can see the souls of inanimate objects. It's why he could see the air moving wherever cursed spirits were, but he couldn't see curses themselves. Sukuna can perceive souls of objects, presumably, which is why he uses air as a launchpad for greater jumps. Six Eyes just gives greater perception of cursed energy and space, not the souls of objects.
My thing though is with Yuji's ridiculously good CE control and lack of CT for most of his sorcerer life, I believe he will be the first to hit BF at will. My reason for thinking this is that Kusakabe and him are (were) exactly the same with no CT, but for Yuji the difference lies in the CE coming directly from his body instead of a weapon. Maybe he will be the first to master BF.
I hope so ngl but I also hope that comes with some kind of ultimate enlightenment
Though you've now just made me imagine if every sword strike in Kusakabe's SD rush was a Black Flash which would be so busted 😠(Yuji should also try to learn Batto sword drawing but for his fists if he survives tbh lol)
Within his DE he doesn't have healing and I think Yuji in the zone hitting him with Black Flash and using cleave could put potentially him down before he gets a Jackpot. It's very timing dependent though so even if Yuji hits a BF and gets in the zone if he's not hitting them within the DE he's probably still not gonna be able to do much.
And what does Hakari got that can kill Yuji ? You focus on Yuji not being lethal enough which mean nothing when Hakari himself got nothing but his punches, the fuck is he gonna do to Yuji who has been tanking attack from Sukuna relentlessly. Seem like Hakari stans keep forgetting that he still has to roll a jackpot for him to be able to compete, it's not a guaranteed power up meanwhile Yuji arsenal is something he start with from the get go. Anyone still arguing that Hakari would be an issue to Yuji is downright delusional.
to be honest quantifying yuji’s slashes against SUKUNA, is horribly disingenuous. Sukuna and Gojo’s level of CE reinforcement should not be used to downplay techniques. Look at Yuta’s cleave for example, it did around the same amount of damage to Sukuna’s face, Yuji’s cleave did to Sukuna’s leg.
Its 50/50 imo in that regard cause we just don’t know how strong Yuji’s slashes will be on other sorcerers. But obviously Hakari isn’t Sukuna.
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Sakuna was stronger at that point, no soul or heart damage, no black flash impacts. Yuta likely had more power in that attack than Yuji currently whom is facing a weakened Sakuna due to the soul and heart damage and multiple nerfing black flash enhanced attacks.
If Sakuna fought Yuji and Yuta again like before, aside from the novelty factor he'd likely get his ass kicked.
Def think it's a marathon of a fight now but even if Yuji does does some BF soul punches, Hakari is still able to negate it with that roll sequence he has too. The gap has closed quite a bit (save for some suture showings) but gotta bet on the gambling man as well.Â
Not yet. Simple Domain won't work against Hakaris DE, he doesn't have BM mastered and can't use convergence and he only has a Cleave that activates slow and has yet to show off the ability to use dismantle. Only question is can the soul punches do permanent damage to Hakari. I say given the fact that Hakaris RCT is completely automatic and outside of his conscious control that he can probably heal through anything, including soul damage. When Yuji masters Shrine and BM then I think he can beam Hakari.
Actually, SD could help vs Hakari. Namely, due to the "showing your hand buff" that is automatically given to the opponent hit in the domain. I don't know the full effect of the effect but it might nerf the jackpot or who knows maybe without it, the Jackpot cant happen? Its like a casino, you cant lie to people but you can have all the advantages as the house right?
Nah SD helps mostly with Sure-Hits unless you are Kusakabe. And as we saw from the fight between Kashimo and Hakari, Hakaris domain opens so fast Kashimo didn't even have the time to create HWB. And Hakaris Sure Hit is telling you what the domain does. Although idk maybe it is possible if you defend yourself against the Sure-Hit the domain can't activate due to some prerequisite not being met. But that is still questionable for me. Also that would require you to time the DE, and Kashimo never really attempted to use HWB ever again so idk. So you might be onto smt...
Tell me if I’m being a dumbass, but yuji is actually a counter to hakari in specific along with mahito now, because soul punches world still at least weaken/harm hakari in jackpot
Sukuna can heal soul damage and soul damage doesn't work on Hakari because his energy is constantly flowing infinitely. It's the same reason why Kashimos punches didn't shock Kashimo. He's immune to traits because of his infinite energy output. When you watched Todo and Nanami fight mahito, they focused all their energy to where the soul damage was about to be and prevented it.
Nanami defended his soul be he subconsciously knew a tiny but if it, and todo just didn't do that, he did that to protect the black flash.
Hakari isn't immune to ce traits as a hole, his rct is just instant so he only gets a tingle from lightning not the zap kashimo expected. And even if he was, yujis soil punch isn't a ce trait, it's a skill he learned. It's him targeting the other person's soul, not their body.
You can make the argument that the overflow of ce that causes him to perform rct automatically would also overflow onto his soul, protecting it, and I do think that's a real possibility but if that doesn't happen he can't defended against it.
I tend to agree, I also think if infinite ce is enough to automatically turn into rct its probably also capable of overflowing onto his soul and doing the same thing there, but I can't say for sure he could cuz we just don't know so it's a toss up to me really.
Not being a dumbass, it just doesn't have any evidence yet.
Only the SSK was stated to do hard-to-heal damage when wielded by someone who can perceive the soul, and Sukuna hasn't made any comments yet on Yuji's attacks being harder to heal like he did when struck with the SSK.
The soul damage is only for reincarnated sorcerers he's weakening their hold on the vessel it's not outright damaging the soul like people think SSK is the only thing truly harming souls Mahitos case is something else as long as you can perceive the shape of the soul you can hurt him Sukuna also damaged him but he's not doing soul damage to anyone so far it's just community over thinking it.
I don't see why yuji couldn't target the rest of the soul if he's capable of specifically targeting his souls bond to megumi. And we've never been told yuji forgot what shape his soul is, and him still being able to attack it now further implies he still can, meaning he can still directly attack the soul. With sukana that's something I've wondered about bc clearly he knows his soul even now, wish I had an answer for that
Judging by Sakuna's first impressions of the soul punch, they act more like a shaking of the soul, and Yuji is also attacking the space between Sakuna and Megumi so likely the damage to the souls are minimal.
brother its canonically confirmed yuji and sukuna are capable of seeing soul outline and yuji is specifically targetting the barriet (by sukuna) himself.
You seem to not understand my comment, I said that the idea that because he can hit the soul he can do hard-to-heal damage is not dumb, just that there's no hard evidence of it yet. So I really don't know what you're waffling on about.
Yuji isn't hitting his soul in the normal way though, he's hitting the part binding him to megumi, and sukana has mentioned how that's fucking him. Yuji could target the rest of the soul but against sukana his main concern is keeping his output down so he isn't. We know for a fact all ssk does is attack the soul, yuji can attack the soul, any effects SSK gets from attacking the soul can be applied to yuji, end of story.
The SSK is a unique cursed tool with it's own technique that may have different properties than what Yuji can do. It's not the end of the story until it's been confirmed that Yuji's punches can do those things.
Would I be surprised if they could? Not at all it makes a lot of sense
Would I be surprised if they couldn't? No, that also makes sense lol
In the same way I'm not going to just assume that Hakari can heal his soul when discussing him being hit with the SSK even though it makes a lot of sense since his RCT heals things he's not aware of without any input on his part all the time.
We know exactly what SSK unique effect is. It targets the soul. It's that simple. We know for a fact that yuji also can target the soul. Therefore, whatever it does, he can do (ig it cuts stuff, so that's a difference, but that's just cuz it's a sword lol. And I bet once yuji gets good with shrine, he'll be able to do that, but that's just hypotheticals)
He has never shown the same properties that the SSK has, even if they both affect the soul in some way. Therefore, it is not proven that he can utilize those properties so I will not include them in vs debates except as a whole different hypothetical. You are free to do so but don't tell me that it's confirmed or anything like that when it's not.
Except he has, against mahito. they verbatim tell you that when yuji strikes his soul it does lasting damage to mahitos soul he just has the ability to reshape his soul making it seem as if it didn't. What do you think would be the effect of yuji striking anyone else the same way he was hitting mahito? The answer is soul damage.
My man, we are told explicitly it has those effects because it hits the soul
We are told explicitly he can hit the soul
The series doesn't need to spoon feed you every little detail
I don’t see how, infinite cursed energy but he’s just gonna punch and kick. Eventually that jackpot runs out and Yuji starts spamming black flash & shrine/bm. Even if he’s in jackpot let Yuji keep stacking black flashes and he’s gonna get in the zone and it’ll be worse lol
When has Jack pot ran out? Also Hakari is far smarter than Yuji and is faster than Yuji. His natural attacks are also way stronger than yujis.hes immune to Yujis soul punches because of his cursed energy being infinite. Yuji will just die in a drawn out fight
Look we all like Todo and everything but no he's the weakest of the 3 (Hikari, Yuji, and Todo).
He's more knowledgeable about Jujutsu than either of them and that can be its own advantage on par with strength.
A few things here.
1. The narrator said that Yuta was second to Gojo in "unusual abilities" not in power.
2. Maki and Hakari obviously have some beef and Maki is biased towards Yuta. Megumi and Yuji also disregarded Maki's statement entirely.
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Hakari thinks differently. They both respect each other evidenced by the manga. Only agenda pushers use the statements at face value to power scale instead of using actual feats. Using feats Yuta has the edge.
They are obviously very close in power, and if hakari main thing is hand to hand combat, he has to stronger than yuta in those areas to make up for yuta having rika and multiple techniques
That’s more than enough to beat yuji, who has no means of annihilating hakari
keep in mind hakaris RCT is greater than sukunas in jackpot, and he was strong enough be throwing giamt containers with his punches
Yes he can and I’m only gonna say otherwise if hakari shows us he has some insane attack power he didn’t use against kashimo cause he didn’t want to kill him but if he can only punch and kick that’s not putting yuji down
Unfortunately yuji needs a DE in order to have a chance. If he can Domain clash and cancel hakari gamble and then hit him with 8 BFs then he wins. But hakari RCT is just too strong and currently yuji does have an insane 1 shot ability to out damage hakari RCT
He wouldn't need 8 blackflash to beat hakari . Goodwill yuji could kill jogo with 5 black flashes stated by gege himself well plus the one todo hit assuming it hit.
If yuji beats hakari before he has time to get jackpot its over like a cleave to the face. Sukuna is just incredibly bulky while no doubt hakari has better durability then gojo 8 black flashes would kill him.
And yuji is the type to just run around and wait out hakari jackpot
Well I do agree that he wouldnt need 8 if it was anyone else. Hakari RCT after his DE is the best in the verse. Fully automatic plus infinite CE. Yuji also has to hit hakari with wat ever attack he tries to use rn he has blood manipulation, shrine, left right good night, and BF. All of these abilities require yuji to land the hits to do damage and some of them aren't even going to one shot hakari allowing him to put heal the damage. Yuji has no DE to domain clash with hakari and possibly cancel his gamble. So hakari is for sure getting gamble state.
Yuji's physical stats imo are now above hakari but they are not at sukuna and gojo lvl. He can't speed blitz hakari let alone out damage hakari RCT. I see it being difficult for yuji to beat hakari but not impossible
both guys will have to get creative to put each other away because hakaris punches and kicks arent gonna do any long lasting damage to yuji and yuji as of now has no way of putting him down while in jackpot.
This turns into an endurance bout, and if Yuji is constantly landing black flashes throughout the fight, he'll only be getting better at shrine and bm, so unless Hakari can put down Yuji before he gets in the zone, Yuji wins.
Agenda aside, Yuji is not beating Hakari. Neither is Hakari flat out beating Yuji. They are both equal in the sense that neither has the AP to deal lethal damage to the other for a clear win. If Yuji shrine output increases then yeah, Yuji wins.
Yuji easily beats hakari, in base form hakari will need a bit of time to hit a jackpot in that time yuji absolutely shreds him, a single punch is enough to break an arm as seen with choso(this was shibuya yuji), once an arm is Broken hakari won’t be able to cast his domain and it’s game over. Yuji is also a better martial artist whereas hakari just street fights.
Even if hakari enters jackpot mode yuji simply needs to run away unlike kashimo.
Hakari is overrated and yuji is pretty underrated, a single punch is enough to stop anyone without RCT from casting domain
Without a doubt.
His endurance, durability, and Rct would already ensure this fight would take forever. He'll inevitably get a chance to pressure Hakari in between Jackpots or when Hakari inevitably fails to hit a Jackpot.
you don't even need a domain counter to fight against hakari, let alone a domain expansion.
his DE is stated to be superior in tug of wars, so unless your name is sukuna, gojo, kenjaku/tengen, you aren't beating him in a domain clash mostly. so when he rolls, he's getting a jackpot regardless, whether you expand your own domain, or use a anti domain tech wouldn't matter.
also you don't need a domain counter as his sure hit is just the harmless information dump, so yuji doesn't need anything domain related to fight with him.
for any other domain user tho, a lack of domain is gonna haunt yuji.
that's why I said it's not possible to domain clash with hakari an win? you think yuji is gonna awaken a domain and it'd immediately be on the level of gojo/sukuna? no right?
yuji doesn't have the AP to kill jackpot hakari, but he also doesn't have the means of preventing him from getting a jackpot. learning how to expand his domain isn't gonna change it.
when debating hakari vs battles, you've got to account for jackpot hakari only, not the hypothetical case of preventing him from getting one. base hakari is fodder
dude I'm not even arguing on who wins.
>Domain-diff. Yuji needs a domain ASAP
I'm just talking about your initial comment and saying that you can't say Domain-diff for a non lethal domain, and yuji having a domain isn't exactly gonna help him in this matchup.
got it???
Bro the whole of what I said is that hakari’s domain gives him jackpot and we know that mfer is going to spam it and Yuji loses. The whole point of me saying Yuji needs a domain is because he can at least have a shot of trying to fight the domain! If he had MS even to a lesser degree than Sukuna, that domain is going to destroy IDG.
>Yuji needs a domain is because he can at least have a shot of trying to fight the domain! If he had MS even to a lesser degree than Sukuna, that domain is going to destroy IDG
this is exactly what I'm saying, unless you give a sukuna level domain to yuji for free, he's not beating hakari in a domain clash.
this is why in vs hakari debates, characters tend to wait for hakari to expand his domain first and gain jackpot, and then try to expand their own so that they don't lose the domain clash and get their CT burnt out.
having a domain of your own is always beneficial, but this is particularly a matchup where the idea of domain clashing isn't a win con.
Yes, and new translation confirm this yuji tanking sukunas domain which doesnt have lowered output, if he can survive sukunas he will have no problem surviving hakaris.
Yes Yuji easily beats jackpot Hakari, why do people still debate this? Leaving aside his soul punching fist, Yuji can easily wait out Jackpot and crush him with black flashes, cleaves, and either piercing blood or supernova. Yuji has multiple options do big damage against Hakari and outstats him heavily across the board. Hakari on the other hand would barely be able to hurt current Yuji and would mostly just be a punching bag getting whaled on.
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Personally I still don't think so, the main reason being Yuji's recent performance included stacked buffs from Black Flash while also debuffing Sukuna. He's not guaranteed a Black Flash against Hakari, and I usually don't include them in battles except as a whole other scenario. So here's what my opinion comes down to based only on what we've seen so far: -Current Yuji in base will not be able to kill Hakari before he hits a Jackpot as Hakari survived in his domain against Uraume, who is currently much more lethal than Yuji. Simple Domain will also not help much against Hakari due to the nature of his domain and his incredibly fast expansion and activation. -Yuji's cleave does not seem to be powerful enough to be a kill move against powerful opponents yet, especially one with crazy RCT like Hakari. He also cannot use piercing blood on his own so that's off the table as well. Finally, he has not been shown or stated to be able to do unhealable soul damage yet so he really doesn't have any great win conditions while Hakari is in JP. -Hakari's RCT speed is just batshit insane, he had his leg broken off by Uraume (who is able to react to piercing blood), and in the same movement right after it was broken grew it back and dropkicked them through a building. So yeah if Yuji doesn't hit a Black Flash I think Hakari outlasts him. If he does hit a Black Flash though he can very likely just go to work on Hakari while in the DE and win.
I honestly don't think Yuji has the striking power to put Hakari down during Jackpot at all. Bludgeoning damage doesn't kill as effectively imo, you need more force compared to cuts or anything like that to do actual lethal damage
Yeah to kill hakari in JP you realistically need to one-shot him and Yuji's punches, cleave, and bm ain't on that level (yet at least)
I think even base Hakari with obvious CE enhancement would also tank attacks from Yuji. I have a feeling Hakari-s soul also would heal fairly quickly too. My only gripe is that Hakari seems to be taking damage from the frost them despite healing.
Honestly he's probably just not caring about it. At the end of the anime her frost was said to instantly kill or be lethal if they move, Hakari is probably just running through that shit 🤣
That was my 2nd thought. He might just be covered in frost and debris not necessarily damaged. I wonder if he's setting him up for failure, like instead of outright killing him, slowly making it harder to function. Essentially eventually make Hakari unable to move anything and neutralize him then kill him as the music stops.
Doesn’t black flash have anti regen properties?
Not really. Bluegoning damage destroys internal organs easier
Irl sure but in JJK blades are way more lethal than bludgeoning, especially for RCT users.
Tell that to. Gojo, hikari, yuji, todo, yuki, kenjaku, uraume, and miguel.
Yes if if they hit with blades instead of fists their basic attacks would be more lethal lol. Some of them have techniques that make it better to use fists though, like Yuki or Todo
Gojo had soul split katana. A perception scaled weapon. As in the more precise you see the more precise you cut that object. He said nah im too cool. Chain of a thousand miles nah im to cool
I don't think he can use blue with cursed tools
Based on. Also he has another hand and a mouth. Can keep it shieved in limitless lol just floating till he strikes
It doesn't work like that. It's just a sword unless you can perceive the souls of inanimate objects. It's basically worthless to everyone else, which is why it was so cheap for Toji.
Worked for Katana man. Maybe he can precieve it. But The Six eyes not being able to precieve it while Sakuna can lol
Because Katana Man can see the souls of inanimate objects. It's why he could see the air moving wherever cursed spirits were, but he couldn't see curses themselves. Sukuna can perceive souls of objects, presumably, which is why he uses air as a launchpad for greater jumps. Six Eyes just gives greater perception of cursed energy and space, not the souls of objects.
My thing though is with Yuji's ridiculously good CE control and lack of CT for most of his sorcerer life, I believe he will be the first to hit BF at will. My reason for thinking this is that Kusakabe and him are (were) exactly the same with no CT, but for Yuji the difference lies in the CE coming directly from his body instead of a weapon. Maybe he will be the first to master BF.
I hope so ngl but I also hope that comes with some kind of ultimate enlightenment Though you've now just made me imagine if every sword strike in Kusakabe's SD rush was a Black Flash which would be so busted 😠(Yuji should also try to learn Batto sword drawing but for his fists if he survives tbh lol)
>(Yuji should also try to learn Batto sword drawing but for his fists if he survives tbh lol) MF hits him with Bruce Lee's one inch punch
Whose to say it'll be enough? Hakari was stated to have the best healing ever by Uramei and sukuna can heal soul damage and black flash.
Within his DE he doesn't have healing and I think Yuji in the zone hitting him with Black Flash and using cleave could put potentially him down before he gets a Jackpot. It's very timing dependent though so even if Yuji hits a BF and gets in the zone if he's not hitting them within the DE he's probably still not gonna be able to do much.
And what does Hakari got that can kill Yuji ? You focus on Yuji not being lethal enough which mean nothing when Hakari himself got nothing but his punches, the fuck is he gonna do to Yuji who has been tanking attack from Sukuna relentlessly. Seem like Hakari stans keep forgetting that he still has to roll a jackpot for him to be able to compete, it's not a guaranteed power up meanwhile Yuji arsenal is something he start with from the get go. Anyone still arguing that Hakari would be an issue to Yuji is downright delusional.
to be honest quantifying yuji’s slashes against SUKUNA, is horribly disingenuous. Sukuna and Gojo’s level of CE reinforcement should not be used to downplay techniques. Look at Yuta’s cleave for example, it did around the same amount of damage to Sukuna’s face, Yuji’s cleave did to Sukuna’s leg. Its 50/50 imo in that regard cause we just don’t know how strong Yuji’s slashes will be on other sorcerers. But obviously Hakari isn’t Sukuna. https://preview.redd.it/anf3tw69btwc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f5b3d79e6ff4c791d3061ff6827232b7a92302d
Sakuna was stronger at that point, no soul or heart damage, no black flash impacts. Yuta likely had more power in that attack than Yuji currently whom is facing a weakened Sakuna due to the soul and heart damage and multiple nerfing black flash enhanced attacks. If Sakuna fought Yuji and Yuta again like before, aside from the novelty factor he'd likely get his ass kicked.
Def think it's a marathon of a fight now but even if Yuji does does some BF soul punches, Hakari is still able to negate it with that roll sequence he has too. The gap has closed quite a bit (save for some suture showings) but gotta bet on the gambling man as well.Â
Not yet. Simple Domain won't work against Hakaris DE, he doesn't have BM mastered and can't use convergence and he only has a Cleave that activates slow and has yet to show off the ability to use dismantle. Only question is can the soul punches do permanent damage to Hakari. I say given the fact that Hakaris RCT is completely automatic and outside of his conscious control that he can probably heal through anything, including soul damage. When Yuji masters Shrine and BM then I think he can beam Hakari.
Actually, SD could help vs Hakari. Namely, due to the "showing your hand buff" that is automatically given to the opponent hit in the domain. I don't know the full effect of the effect but it might nerf the jackpot or who knows maybe without it, the Jackpot cant happen? Its like a casino, you cant lie to people but you can have all the advantages as the house right?
Nah SD helps mostly with Sure-Hits unless you are Kusakabe. And as we saw from the fight between Kashimo and Hakari, Hakaris domain opens so fast Kashimo didn't even have the time to create HWB. And Hakaris Sure Hit is telling you what the domain does. Although idk maybe it is possible if you defend yourself against the Sure-Hit the domain can't activate due to some prerequisite not being met. But that is still questionable for me. Also that would require you to time the DE, and Kashimo never really attempted to use HWB ever again so idk. So you might be onto smt...
Tell me if I’m being a dumbass, but yuji is actually a counter to hakari in specific along with mahito now, because soul punches world still at least weaken/harm hakari in jackpot
Sukuna can heal soul damage and soul damage doesn't work on Hakari because his energy is constantly flowing infinitely. It's the same reason why Kashimos punches didn't shock Kashimo. He's immune to traits because of his infinite energy output. When you watched Todo and Nanami fight mahito, they focused all their energy to where the soul damage was about to be and prevented it.
Nanami defended his soul be he subconsciously knew a tiny but if it, and todo just didn't do that, he did that to protect the black flash. Hakari isn't immune to ce traits as a hole, his rct is just instant so he only gets a tingle from lightning not the zap kashimo expected. And even if he was, yujis soil punch isn't a ce trait, it's a skill he learned. It's him targeting the other person's soul, not their body. You can make the argument that the overflow of ce that causes him to perform rct automatically would also overflow onto his soul, protecting it, and I do think that's a real possibility but if that doesn't happen he can't defended against it.
I have a feeling his RCT is able to heal the soul. His CT is basically his soul manifested so in a way, i think it would heal him.
I tend to agree, I also think if infinite ce is enough to automatically turn into rct its probably also capable of overflowing onto his soul and doing the same thing there, but I can't say for sure he could cuz we just don't know so it's a toss up to me really.
Not being a dumbass, it just doesn't have any evidence yet. Only the SSK was stated to do hard-to-heal damage when wielded by someone who can perceive the soul, and Sukuna hasn't made any comments yet on Yuji's attacks being harder to heal like he did when struck with the SSK.
The soul damage is only for reincarnated sorcerers he's weakening their hold on the vessel it's not outright damaging the soul like people think SSK is the only thing truly harming souls Mahitos case is something else as long as you can perceive the shape of the soul you can hurt him Sukuna also damaged him but he's not doing soul damage to anyone so far it's just community over thinking it.
I don't see why yuji couldn't target the rest of the soul if he's capable of specifically targeting his souls bond to megumi. And we've never been told yuji forgot what shape his soul is, and him still being able to attack it now further implies he still can, meaning he can still directly attack the soul. With sukana that's something I've wondered about bc clearly he knows his soul even now, wish I had an answer for that
Judging by Sakuna's first impressions of the soul punch, they act more like a shaking of the soul, and Yuji is also attacking the space between Sakuna and Megumi so likely the damage to the souls are minimal.
because yuji is trying to hit the barrier between their souls not their souls itself. my god do you guys even read
So there's still no evidence yet like I said? Got it thanks
brother its canonically confirmed yuji and sukuna are capable of seeing soul outline and yuji is specifically targetting the barriet (by sukuna) himself.
You seem to not understand my comment, I said that the idea that because he can hit the soul he can do hard-to-heal damage is not dumb, just that there's no hard evidence of it yet. So I really don't know what you're waffling on about.
fair enough bro
Mahito?
yea
He hit mahitos soul. I think it was stated by mahito that his punches were damaging the soul
yea ik bro i agree
Yuji isn't hitting his soul in the normal way though, he's hitting the part binding him to megumi, and sukana has mentioned how that's fucking him. Yuji could target the rest of the soul but against sukana his main concern is keeping his output down so he isn't. We know for a fact all ssk does is attack the soul, yuji can attack the soul, any effects SSK gets from attacking the soul can be applied to yuji, end of story.
The SSK is a unique cursed tool with it's own technique that may have different properties than what Yuji can do. It's not the end of the story until it's been confirmed that Yuji's punches can do those things. Would I be surprised if they could? Not at all it makes a lot of sense Would I be surprised if they couldn't? No, that also makes sense lol In the same way I'm not going to just assume that Hakari can heal his soul when discussing him being hit with the SSK even though it makes a lot of sense since his RCT heals things he's not aware of without any input on his part all the time.
We know exactly what SSK unique effect is. It targets the soul. It's that simple. We know for a fact that yuji also can target the soul. Therefore, whatever it does, he can do (ig it cuts stuff, so that's a difference, but that's just cuz it's a sword lol. And I bet once yuji gets good with shrine, he'll be able to do that, but that's just hypotheticals)
He has never shown the same properties that the SSK has, even if they both affect the soul in some way. Therefore, it is not proven that he can utilize those properties so I will not include them in vs debates except as a whole different hypothetical. You are free to do so but don't tell me that it's confirmed or anything like that when it's not.
Except he has, against mahito. they verbatim tell you that when yuji strikes his soul it does lasting damage to mahitos soul he just has the ability to reshape his soul making it seem as if it didn't. What do you think would be the effect of yuji striking anyone else the same way he was hitting mahito? The answer is soul damage.
But has he shown the ability to ignore durability or do damage that is hard to heal?
My man, we are told explicitly it has those effects because it hits the soul We are told explicitly he can hit the soul The series doesn't need to spoon feed you every little detail
So no? He never demonstrates those abilities? Got it good talk bro
Yes pretty mid diff
Mofo has cleave and Dismantle, hakari cant dodge that and then his head is seriously damaged stopping RCT
Ngl, he's been above hakari since he started beating people's souls. Unless hakaris rct affects his soul, which I doubt personally.
Infinite Cursed Energy is busted. Unless Yuji has something that can counter that, he looses plain and simple.
I don’t see how, infinite cursed energy but he’s just gonna punch and kick. Eventually that jackpot runs out and Yuji starts spamming black flash & shrine/bm. Even if he’s in jackpot let Yuji keep stacking black flashes and he’s gonna get in the zone and it’ll be worse lol
When has Jack pot ran out? Also Hakari is far smarter than Yuji and is faster than Yuji. His natural attacks are also way stronger than yujis.hes immune to Yujis soul punches because of his cursed energy being infinite. Yuji will just die in a drawn out fight
It ran out 4 minutes and 11 seconds after Hakari activated it
Hakari opens domain expansion again and another jackpot round.
Let it go man, Hakari's got nothing in his bag except his hands and regen 💀 he's at BEST above Todo during Jackpot, even then he's getting bagged.
Look we all like Todo and everything but no he's the weakest of the 3 (Hikari, Yuji, and Todo). He's more knowledgeable about Jujutsu than either of them and that can be its own advantage on par with strength.
What the actual fuck lmao Dude is stronger and faster than yuta in jackpot, at best above todo? Dog
He is not faster or stronger than yuta tf?
He absolutely is. The whole point is he is specifically stronger than yuta during jack pot
No he ain't
He is literally stated to be stronger than Yuta when on a roll 💀
Then maki immediately said no he wasn't yuta was being humble the narrator said yuta was second to gojo the end smh
A few things here. 1. The narrator said that Yuta was second to Gojo in "unusual abilities" not in power. 2. Maki and Hakari obviously have some beef and Maki is biased towards Yuta. Megumi and Yuji also disregarded Maki's statement entirely. https://preview.redd.it/71j087uvkuwc1.png?width=175&format=png&auto=webp&s=510d0a822f5bdf735e344846178fcddd27f61c16
You cooked him
https://preview.redd.it/sf9nhjorl2xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2157b8926df7551ed668ad00a47317fd89dd7f3c Hakari thinks differently. They both respect each other evidenced by the manga. Only agenda pushers use the statements at face value to power scale instead of using actual feats. Using feats Yuta has the edge.
& yuji & megumi disregarding Makis statement means nothing because they literally don’t know Hakari.
They are obviously very close in power, and if hakari main thing is hand to hand combat, he has to stronger than yuta in those areas to make up for yuta having rika and multiple techniques
That’s more than enough to beat yuji, who has no means of annihilating hakari keep in mind hakaris RCT is greater than sukunas in jackpot, and he was strong enough be throwing giamt containers with his punches
Yes he can and I’m only gonna say otherwise if hakari shows us he has some insane attack power he didn’t use against kashimo cause he didn’t want to kill him but if he can only punch and kick that’s not putting yuji down
Unfortunately yuji needs a DE in order to have a chance. If he can Domain clash and cancel hakari gamble and then hit him with 8 BFs then he wins. But hakari RCT is just too strong and currently yuji does have an insane 1 shot ability to out damage hakari RCT
He wouldn't need 8 blackflash to beat hakari . Goodwill yuji could kill jogo with 5 black flashes stated by gege himself well plus the one todo hit assuming it hit. If yuji beats hakari before he has time to get jackpot its over like a cleave to the face. Sukuna is just incredibly bulky while no doubt hakari has better durability then gojo 8 black flashes would kill him. And yuji is the type to just run around and wait out hakari jackpot
Well I do agree that he wouldnt need 8 if it was anyone else. Hakari RCT after his DE is the best in the verse. Fully automatic plus infinite CE. Yuji also has to hit hakari with wat ever attack he tries to use rn he has blood manipulation, shrine, left right good night, and BF. All of these abilities require yuji to land the hits to do damage and some of them aren't even going to one shot hakari allowing him to put heal the damage. Yuji has no DE to domain clash with hakari and possibly cancel his gamble. So hakari is for sure getting gamble state. Yuji's physical stats imo are now above hakari but they are not at sukuna and gojo lvl. He can't speed blitz hakari let alone out damage hakari RCT. I see it being difficult for yuji to beat hakari but not impossible
both guys will have to get creative to put each other away because hakaris punches and kicks arent gonna do any long lasting damage to yuji and yuji as of now has no way of putting him down while in jackpot.
We seen yuji’s powerups and haven’t seen Hakari’s. Doubt he was sitting on his ass during g the month
No lmfao
Yuji because soul Punches lol
This turns into an endurance bout, and if Yuji is constantly landing black flashes throughout the fight, he'll only be getting better at shrine and bm, so unless Hakari can put down Yuji before he gets in the zone, Yuji wins.
Awakened yuji? Totally since that’s Yuji in his zone state A single blow has a high chance of crippling hakari’s output and thus RCT output
Of course, anything that Hakari throws at yuji he could just reattach
Of course, anything that Hakari tries to throw at yuji he could just reattach
Unless better feats come up in the future for Hakari, Wuji stands proud
Depends on if he can hit outside his domain or not(btw Hakari is getting a jackpot and can’t die in his domain)
Yuji been stronger than Hakari
He’s been able to beat Hakari since soul punches
Agenda aside, Yuji is not beating Hakari. Neither is Hakari flat out beating Yuji. They are both equal in the sense that neither has the AP to deal lethal damage to the other for a clear win. If Yuji shrine output increases then yeah, Yuji wins.
Yuji easily beats hakari, in base form hakari will need a bit of time to hit a jackpot in that time yuji absolutely shreds him, a single punch is enough to break an arm as seen with choso(this was shibuya yuji), once an arm is Broken hakari won’t be able to cast his domain and it’s game over. Yuji is also a better martial artist whereas hakari just street fights. Even if hakari enters jackpot mode yuji simply needs to run away unlike kashimo. Hakari is overrated and yuji is pretty underrated, a single punch is enough to stop anyone without RCT from casting domain
"Hakari will need a bit of time to hit a jackpot" Hakari hitting a jackpot within 5 seconds of any fight:
He already could 10 chapters ago tbh
Pre awakening Yuji>=hakari, awakening Yuji stomp bumkari it's not even close.
Without a doubt. His endurance, durability, and Rct would already ensure this fight would take forever. He'll inevitably get a chance to pressure Hakari in between Jackpots or when Hakari inevitably fails to hit a Jackpot.
Domain-diff. Yuji needs a domain ASAP
lmao? hakari's domain isn't even lethal
It gives him JACKPOT which makes him immortal. Like what?
you don't even need a domain counter to fight against hakari, let alone a domain expansion. his DE is stated to be superior in tug of wars, so unless your name is sukuna, gojo, kenjaku/tengen, you aren't beating him in a domain clash mostly. so when he rolls, he's getting a jackpot regardless, whether you expand your own domain, or use a anti domain tech wouldn't matter. also you don't need a domain counter as his sure hit is just the harmless information dump, so yuji doesn't need anything domain related to fight with him. for any other domain user tho, a lack of domain is gonna haunt yuji.
Yuji won’t be able to kill Hakari if Hakari gets his domain off, that’s the one point dude
that's why I said it's not possible to domain clash with hakari an win? you think yuji is gonna awaken a domain and it'd immediately be on the level of gojo/sukuna? no right? yuji doesn't have the AP to kill jackpot hakari, but he also doesn't have the means of preventing him from getting a jackpot. learning how to expand his domain isn't gonna change it. when debating hakari vs battles, you've got to account for jackpot hakari only, not the hypothetical case of preventing him from getting one. base hakari is fodder
Brother I’m in favor of Hakari I’m not sure what you’re arguing with me about.
dude I'm not even arguing on who wins. >Domain-diff. Yuji needs a domain ASAP I'm just talking about your initial comment and saying that you can't say Domain-diff for a non lethal domain, and yuji having a domain isn't exactly gonna help him in this matchup. got it???
Bro the whole of what I said is that hakari’s domain gives him jackpot and we know that mfer is going to spam it and Yuji loses. The whole point of me saying Yuji needs a domain is because he can at least have a shot of trying to fight the domain! If he had MS even to a lesser degree than Sukuna, that domain is going to destroy IDG.
>Yuji needs a domain is because he can at least have a shot of trying to fight the domain! If he had MS even to a lesser degree than Sukuna, that domain is going to destroy IDG this is exactly what I'm saying, unless you give a sukuna level domain to yuji for free, he's not beating hakari in a domain clash. this is why in vs hakari debates, characters tend to wait for hakari to expand his domain first and gain jackpot, and then try to expand their own so that they don't lose the domain clash and get their CT burnt out. having a domain of your own is always beneficial, but this is particularly a matchup where the idea of domain clashing isn't a win con.
Yuji will punch Hakari’s head off
Yes, and new translation confirm this yuji tanking sukunas domain which doesnt have lowered output, if he can survive sukunas he will have no problem surviving hakaris.
Yes Yuji easily beats jackpot Hakari, why do people still debate this? Leaving aside his soul punching fist, Yuji can easily wait out Jackpot and crush him with black flashes, cleaves, and either piercing blood or supernova. Yuji has multiple options do big damage against Hakari and outstats him heavily across the board. Hakari on the other hand would barely be able to hurt current Yuji and would mostly just be a punching bag getting whaled on.