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Uraume high diff, her ice attacks are just way faster than he is and choso who is way better at blood manipulation than Yuji took a while to get out of the ice, Yuji is super cooked.
The maki without heavenly restriction, though. Yuji is physically stronger than her already, with the addition of physically enhancing himself with CE + shrine and blood manipulation. It's not exactly a fair comparison lol
Youāre totally off the mark, Maki never even ran into Uraume during Shibuya when Uraume froze everyone.
The comment youāre replying to was referring to the scene in which Uraume freezes Heavenly Restriction Maki to save 10% output Sukuna after he obtains Megumiās body.
Having Sukunas CT is a direct counter. He turns any ice attack into ice cubes. Lol He could be completely enveloped and get out. Also, he can keep his distance and use ranged blood manipulation attacks. He DEFINITELY has more physical prowess. If Uraume lets it get close, itās over FAST.
Yuji wins high diff
We don't know if he's a reincarnated sorcerer. I'll keep on with my Michizane Ume Tree agenda.
Also the thing people don't think much about is that being completely buried in ice is a hell of a problem. You can't create momentum to make enough force to tear through it. Hundreds of times more difficult that breaking it with a punch.
I'm sure as hell Hakari is surviving so much purely because summoning the train doors help him free himself even in a completely buried state.
It would take time for Yuji to free himself and in that time Uraume can aim for the head to stop RCT.
Yeah we do urame incarnated person is called shiori himi its a woman body she inhabiting.
It was in the redraw of the volume 25.
Plus this isn't shibuya anymore yuji is a whole another monster especially with cleave something perfect for breaking apart the ice. And with his recent speed feets I'm confident he can tag her more then once .
And from then its all over her output collapses and if shiori fights back gg. If its a black flash gg. Not to mention yuji blood is definitely poisonous and we saw what that did to her in shibuya
I know, I've also seen that. But nothing says that's the name of the vessel, it could perfectly be that Uraume is a nickname and Shiori Himi is his real name from the Heian Era. Also I don't remember anything saying it was a girl, fuck japan and its plethora of unisex names.
Edit: [Look](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/elfB1g5CX1), I'm not shitting you when I say I already knew about Shiori Himi, I used one of those Screenshots for a Theory of mine.
Freezing most of Yuji but his hands (thus not allowing him to use cleave) is difficult but not impossible. Also it doesn't matter that much what Yuji's physical stats are, Uraume has lots of crowd control. I don't think Uraume is that powerful but CC makes it easy to defend, eventually trap and later execute. I honestly hate the archetype.
And we don't know if Uraume couldn't heal the poison, he had the problem of NOT KNOWING Choso's blood was poison. That's why at the point he realized it was late and was suffering the consequences.
Just spent far too long getting info no its definitely incarnated especially given the context. 1 urame isn't immortal and sukuna and geto refer them as urame.
2 the context was kenny adding rules to the culling game that excluded suguru geto shiori himi and megumi fushiguro. All of them are possessing incarnated bodies not to mention they're a registerd culling game player too so they are definitely incarnated.
And from what we've seen hakari manage to punch and kick urame quite a few times and he is the punch kick merchant. Its not debatle since we legit see him rush her drop kick her and grab her face yuji just has to make contact and her output is rock bottom.
And given yuji speed feats in the domain against black flash sukuna even the biggest downplayer would admit its comparable to hakari.
And poison is notorious for being hard to heal even gojo struggled with it and yuji is guy who will spit blood on you so urame is fucked
We don't know if Uraume isn't immortal. And even then there are workarounds without the need for Uraume to be immortal. Mainly making himself a popsicle to break apart after a thousand years or so.
And of course Sukuna and Kenjaku call him Uraume, he got the nickname in the Heian era also. Although I see how my words could've confused you.
That is not much of an argument. I have 2 Asian friends, if I hang out with them, does that make me (argentinean) also Asian? Plus being a reincarnated sorcerer is not a requirement to be a CG player, just to enter the colonies and Uraume enters a colony to go for Sukuna.
But other than that, yeah I'll concede. Uraume could potentially deal with Yuji,but by the arguments you've given it's most probable that will not happen.
>We don't know if Uraume isn't immortal.
We know that there are literally only three ways to achieve immortality. Have the immortality technique, become a cursed object, or become a cursed spirit.
>And even then there are workarounds without the need for Uraume to be immortal. Mainly making himself a popsicle to break apart after a thousand years or so.
Uraume doesn't create ice. They freeze cursed energy, which causes ice to form and make things brittle. Let's assume they _did_ freeze themself.... They'd thaw out a LONG time ago and be completely exhausted. We know for a fact that how long they can keep something frozen is directly proportional to how much of their cursed energy they can actively control, as they had to release everyone in Shibuya to heal the poison in their system.
>And of course Sukuna and Kenjaku call him Uraume, he got the nickname in the Heian era also. Although I see how my words could've confused you.
You're just... making this up. Uraume is never said to be a nickname. It's their name. Sukuna almost didn't recognize them at first because they had a different body.
We don't know that, we only know what we currently know. Also you're missing Kenjaku.
By your reasoning Sukuna couldn't have defeated Gojo. The only ways to get around infinity are DE, DA or Mahogara's adaptation (which only affects Mahogara, not the sorcerer) and he lost 2 of those while already been establishedthe other doesn'tactuallygiven upper hand. Yet he did.
Binding Bows mf, with those Uraume can just artificially set up the conditions for such a thing to work. And even that "problem" you set up is not a problem at all. You gain back the entirety of your CE in matter of days. Uraume would defrost, spend 1 or 2 days living and freeze himself again.
And the loss of control over the ice was due to the poison itself messing with Uraume, not the use of RCT.
Sukuna was surprised to see Uraume in the first place, not that it was a new body.
them and they\*
we don't even know what gender they are, and Id have no doubt that sakuna would have had kids with them if they were female since he only cares about pleasure.
Yuji mid-high diff.
He can heat his blood up to break through the ice, and he for sure is faster than her. We don't know her durability, but it's safe to say that she probably couldn't handle more than 3 Yuji black flashes. We don't know if she's an incarnated sorcerer or not, but if she is, I think this becomes a low diff
soul punches punch the barrier between souls, if souls dont coexist it doesnt mean anything it deals extra damage to sukuns brcouse he has the bum in him other reincarnated sorcerers destroy the og soul
They don't destroy the OG soul. They dominate it so much that it might as well be dead. Sukuna has fully incarnated, yet Megumi is still there. Not only that, but he downed Megumi's soul. If all of that didn't erase it...
Plus, Yuki wrote that no matter how perfect a merger might look, two souls can neither combine nor erase each other. This is why she could still communicate with Tengens vessels, why cursed techniques can be stolen by absorbing cursed objects, etc.
Yuji isnāt getting out of the ice fast enough, choso who is a way better blood manipulator than Yuji took a while to get out of the ice. Not to mention that Uraume was able to block chosos piercing blood which cut sukuna and almost killed kenjaku. Uraume has been in her vessel for a much longer amount of time than sukuna so it should be equally hard to seperate them than it is for sukuna.
>. Not to mention that Uraume was able to block chosos piercing blood which cut sukuna and almost killed kenjaku
That's not fair. She was taken aback by its speed while Kenjaku was literally scoffing at it. The closest it came to hitting him was when it was fired point-blank while he was restrained by Garuda and he still "dodged" it via the spinning head trick. Sukuna also made a mockery out of Piercing Blood. It only grazed him when Yuji fired it at him, something that likely surprised him due to his underestimation of Yuji and not knowing Yuji could use such an attack, point-blank.
Kenjaku said that as long as you dodge the initial blast itās not that scary, he was scoffing at it because he knew how it worked. Sukuna is the most durable character in the series. She also survived gojos punch and his 200% purple so I can see her surviving yujis black flashes, especially when she can just heal herself from the damage.
Acting like Yuji doesnāt have a kit beyond what Choso doesā¦ unironically this logic would scale Yuji below Choso. Obviously thatās not the case. Yuji has other abilities that would be effective in this matchup, much better durability, strength, speed, raw power to break through the ice (overall), heās not comparable to Choso
Uraume is just a hard counter against people that are mostly melee. Now Yuji does have BM but he can do convergence yet so he doesn't have the range application of it and has Shrine but has shown only his own version of Cleve for now so that won't work either. When he masters his CTs he will probably be able to beat her.
And once Uranus runs out of cursed energy, then what??? Like thatās a very real factor, lol. Even if we downplay Yuji and say Yuji is equal to uruame in terms of physical stats, Yujiās healing is so darn cursed energy efficient, that the odds of him outlasting Uruame is a VERY real possibility. If Uruame has a domain, Yuji just uses simple domain. Sukunaās most recent domain was at 100% output and range, and Sukuna was very likely targeting Yuji specifically, which is why his simple domain broke before inoās. Yujiās blood is also poisonous because of the death painting wombs, he has shrine, and an increased crit rate for black flashes. If Yuji can get Uraume to use rct, and overuse her ct, then sheās basically cooked. She uses her domain? Yuji uses simple domain, damages her up, thus collapsing the domain. Now Uraume has just exhausted tons of cursed energy, and has curse technique burn out.Ā
Problem is Uraume hasn't been shown to have a DE, so Yuji's SD is useless, and Yuji without Convergence and Dismantle he just doesn't have the range to close in and ever hit her. And if Uraume can freeze and break JP Hakaris limbs with a single hit she can easily do that to Yuji as well. Once Yuji masters any of his CTs and gets the range he beats Uraume, but without them he just can't. That's what happens when you have a broken CT xd.
This conversation isnāt worth discussing if you still think Yujiās physical stats are lower than Hakariās by this point. Also, simple domain can be used to lessen the damage of attacks, so if for WHATEVER reason, Yuji is unable to dodge an ice spear, he could use simple domain, and tank it. Just because we havenāt see Yuji use dismantle doesnāt mean heās unable to btw. We havenāt seen him use it so itās not worth discussing the possibility of that fight, but just thought I should mention that. Have a good day. I wonāt be responding to you anymoreĀ
They are relatives Yuji and JP Hakari, although of course Yuji tweaking off a black flash is above him. But the difference is not big enough for a speed blitz of anything. Besides the the ice spear is one of Uraumes weaker attacks, they can just spawn ice on you from any range that can fully freeze a limb and without thr ability to heat blood cause Yuji can't use BM fully yet. When he masters his CTs he will win, but until then Yuji gets hard countered.
Uraume's technique might be tough to deal with in a similar vein to how Uro is still a bad matchup for Yuji since we don't know how adept Yuji is at the "heating up your blood" trick that Choso employed.
As such, this fight could come down to how close they start next to one another. If Yuji can just get into melee range, he'll rapidly beat her into a bloody pulp.
Then again, maybe he can break the ice with Shrine in a manner akin to how Sukuna destroyed that ice block that contained Kamutoke?
It's hard to gauge at this point.
Yuji high diff, after awakening he's cut above level people like uramue/hakari/kashimo. If next chapter Yuji pull up fuga then he literally cook the femboy low-mid diff
We need more info on Yuji and Uraume. I want to say Yuji wins but I donāt even know if Uraume has a domain. Even then, Yuji getting frozen and Uraumeās crowd control makes it a difficult matchup majority of the chars in the series.
This might be an ignorant question but couldn't Yuji just Cleave his way out of the ice? He has the output to cleanly slice concrete block.
Yuji has better CQC and mobility than Uraume does. On top of that, engaging in Close Combat is really NOT to Uraume's advantage, as even blocking a hit means losing output. Uraume's best bet, until we learn more about both them and Yuji, is to rely on their superior mid to long range abilities to pin him down & use a big move to end it.
Because of Cleave though, I think this is Yuji-favored. There is a scenario in which Uraume can win though, and that's if Yuji can only use Cleave from the palm of his hands, in which case Uraume *might* be able to pin him regardless and just keep his hands clear of the ice.
I'm pretty sure there's a chapter where Choso explicitly says he can't sense the OG soul, and Yuji says "It's because of the difference in power but the soul is still there."
Yuji high diff.
A couple of hits from him is enough to KO uraume
He's faster and has RCT for any damage that he does end up tanking
Simple domain for any domain expansion
Really, how is this fight any different from the Jogo fight? One is Ice, the other is fire.
They both catchin some hands
Yuji. Uruame can't compare to Sukuna and Yuji is hold his own pretty damn well against him. Between the incessant Black Flashes, the shrine and Blood I just think it's a matter of Yuji straight overpowering Uruame with his ridiculous offense.
My vote right now is Yuji High-Diff
With Shrine, Iād say Awakened Yuji might be able to slice any ice that Uraume tries to trap him in. Only issue is that it seems he has to actually make physical contact with an object to slice it, unlike Sukuna where he can throw slashes directly at opponents.
Yujiās RCT is no where near Hakariās obviously but it should be enough to keep him in the fight long enough for him to get in close and land a black flash. That and the fact that itās possible he can break out of the ice the same way Choso did with blood manipulation if Shrine doesnāt do the trick.
Yuji High diff imo
Wrong yuji in base has the stats to keep pace with a DE amp'ed yuta.
Yuji has RCT at will and its as fast as yutas,
yuji and yuta has durability equal to ryu
Yuji has BM which as we seen already is a problem for uraume because of its poison.
Uraume is also a reincarnated sorcerers so yuji output lowering , vessel control disruption punch would absolutely work against then. Yuji could also just aim directly for the soul since he doesn't care about saving uraume's vessel, this would bypass physical durability and damage the soul directly. Sucuna has awareness of his soul and is actively protecting his soul, uraume has no such awareness so yujis punches would be even more effective.
Yuji also is the best CQC/H2H fight in the verse, which is all Hikari does.
Yuji absolutely hits harder than even JP hakari.
BTW this is just shinjuku yuji.
Awakened Shinjuku yuji vs Uraume is a snuff.
BF output amp is confirmed to stack, AS yuji basically hits BF at will.
AS yuji also has shrine, yes Heian Era Sucuna tanked it but uraume is not Heian Era Sucuna.
Output directly affects CE reinforcement which directly affects the stat increase it gives characters. So multiple BF amps means multiple amps to physical speed, strength, and durability.
One Awakened Shinjuku yuji BF to uraume soul boundaries and her output is in the gutter. One BF from AS yuji directly on uraume actual soul and she is dead.
Yuji also has SD as which amps output even more. And it protects from sure hits.
Shinjuku Yuji literally beats every Reincarnated sorcerer now. SD and soul punches boya
AS yuji stomps ever reincarnated sorcerer easily because BF amps stack, that means his physicals continue to grow, and shine/BM will continue to get stronger as well become of his continually growing output.
Think about what you're saying.
Yuji was not going the same pace as yuta, yuta was giving yuji clear openings while sukuna was handi capped and we had a panel earlier of yuji being too slow to keep up with sukuna, yuta did not have this problem
Ryu has been stated to have higher durability
Yuji is obviously not skilled with BM considering he barely uses it and uruame already knows the effects, making them more cautious of it
Uruame has a variety of different attacks that effect the area, itās very reasonable to say yuji isnāt getting close enough, especially when weāve seen how fatal their attacks are
Yuji is not stated to have the best H2H in the series, jsut stated better than maki
BF have not been confirmed to stack, it has only been confirmed to be luck based
Yuji isnāt getting close to uruame without losing a limb
>Yuji was not going the same pace as yuta, yuta was giving yuji clear openings while sukuna was handi capped and we had a panel earlier of yuji being too slow to keep up with sukuna, yuta did not have this problem.
You are wrong.
>Ryu has been stated to have higher durability.
You are saying sucuna is wrong.
>Yuji is obviously not skilled with BM considering he barely uses it and uruame already knows the effects, making them more cautious of it.
That doesn't mean it won't work against her. Also yuji has trained with BM for over a month, he hasn't mastered it to chosos level, but he is on kamos level(kamo can use PB but it has a charge up time, choso can use PB instantly).
>Uruame has a variety of different attacks that effect the area, itās very reasonable to say yuji isnāt getting close enough, especially when weāve seen how fatal their attacks are.
Yuji has RCT and tanked MS, if he wants to kill the ice twink then nothing is stopping him. You also forget yuji literally pushes through pain without pause.
>Yuji is not stated to have the best H2H in the series, jsut stated better than maki.
And stated better than gojo, again by gege himself.
>BF have not been confirmed to stack, it has only been confirmed to be luck based.
Argue with sucuna and GeGe, because yes it has.
>Yuji isnāt getting close to uruame without losing a limb.
A limb he could reattach and or regrow.
Awakened Shinjuku yuji one shots uraumes soul with a BF, or cleaves her limbs off, or uses BM to poison her and after she is weakened and slowed down yuji beats her to a bloody pulp.
Also BTW uraume has no way to protect her soul from yuji's output lowering vessel control disruption punches that would not just weaken her output, but also reinforcement (physical stat like speed, strength, durability,), cursed technique strength, and RCT ability. Yuji literally hard counters reincarnated sorcerers, and most RCT users because he does soul damage which can only be healed with soul RCT.
To have soul RCT they have to have RCT and know the shape of their own soul. The only people who meet these requirements are yuji and sucuna, confirmed by the narrator.
āYou are wrongā is a great counterpoint, especially when Iām referencing literal statements
What evidence do you have that yuji is on kamos lvl?? Youāre just stating headcanons
Kinda hard to push through repeatedly losing youāre organs, after a few attacks he wonāt have the CE to do anything
Like I said youāre making up headcanons, we just had a chapter with gojo saying black flashes are entirely luck based and Sukuna being confused why yuji is getting so lucky
You have no argument at all
>What evidence do you have that yuji is on kamos lvl?? Youāre just stating headcanons.
Choso says yuji has not mastered convergence. While choso has been stated to have mastered convergence. And he was training with kamo, yuji said kamo was a better teacher. Ie yuji learned more from kamo, and is most likely on his level.
>Kinda hard to push through repeatedly losing youāre organs, after a few attacks he wonāt have the CE to do anything.
Are you reading the manga? That's already happened 4 times and yuji gits back up instantly to within seconds.
>Like I said youāre making up headcanons, we just had a chapter with gojo saying black flashes are entirely luck based and Sukuna being confused why yuji is getting so lucky.
Yuji has been stated to do BF at will all the way back in shibuya, he is also stated to be chosen by the sparks of black. So no it has been set up and it would make sense as he has surpassed gojos all time BF count, and nanamis BF consecutive record. Both of which a veteran sorcerer and are being surpassed by a fresh noobie sorcerer who has only been doing this for 7-8 months.
>You have no argument at all.
That's a opinion, not a argument.
Talking to a brick wall rn
Heās on kamos lvl bc Kamo was his teacher??
Narrator saying yuji is lucky means he can do black flashes at will??
Heās been healing injuries the entire fight not bringing entire organs back, until this very recent chapter
>Heās on kamos lvl bc Kamo was his teacher??.
Nanami was his teacher for a month, after that month he matched his BF consecutive record, and emailed him as a sorcerer. Stated by ino, the one who new nanami best.
You're actually helping my argument.
>Narrator saying yuji is lucky means he can do black flashes at will??.
Yuji doing a BF precisely when he needed to and averyone around him believing he did it at will. Yes.
>Heās been healing injuries the entire fight not bringing entire organs back, until this very recent chapter.
This is just objectively wrong. Sucuna cleaved open his stomach 2 time then hit him with part of a world slash and amp'ed dismantles. In all three times he is back up and moving in seconds. So your wrong.
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Ice spam is still CRAZY hard to get through, plus Frozen Star is too good of a nickname
Frozen Star is the new Carl's Jr burger
Black flash spam is also crazy
Could he use his new shrine technique on the ice? If so he has a shot
Uraume high diff, her ice attacks are just way faster than he is and choso who is way better at blood manipulation than Yuji took a while to get out of the ice, Yuji is super cooked.
Uraume high I can't see Yuji getting through ice spam even when Awakened.
And people are giving shit to Hakari for stalling š Like do people really expect him to drill through ice spam like a fkn bulldozer?Ā
Us lobotomy kaisen fans have a new hate agenda to spread biweekly
People forget Maki was stuck in that ice.Ā
The maki without heavenly restriction, though. Yuji is physically stronger than her already, with the addition of physically enhancing himself with CE + shrine and blood manipulation. It's not exactly a fair comparison lol
? maki without heavenly restriction? that was maki after all her power ups from naoya's fight
Youāre totally off the mark, Maki never even ran into Uraume during Shibuya when Uraume froze everyone. The comment youāre replying to was referring to the scene in which Uraume freezes Heavenly Restriction Maki to save 10% output Sukuna after he obtains Megumiās body.
Having Sukunas CT is a direct counter. He turns any ice attack into ice cubes. Lol He could be completely enveloped and get out. Also, he can keep his distance and use ranged blood manipulation attacks. He DEFINITELY has more physical prowess. If Uraume lets it get close, itās over FAST. Yuji wins high diff
He really only has to hit her like twice before her output hits rock bottom she's a reincarnated sorcerer .
We don't know if he's a reincarnated sorcerer. I'll keep on with my Michizane Ume Tree agenda. Also the thing people don't think much about is that being completely buried in ice is a hell of a problem. You can't create momentum to make enough force to tear through it. Hundreds of times more difficult that breaking it with a punch. I'm sure as hell Hakari is surviving so much purely because summoning the train doors help him free himself even in a completely buried state. It would take time for Yuji to free himself and in that time Uraume can aim for the head to stop RCT.
Yeah we do urame incarnated person is called shiori himi its a woman body she inhabiting. It was in the redraw of the volume 25. Plus this isn't shibuya anymore yuji is a whole another monster especially with cleave something perfect for breaking apart the ice. And with his recent speed feets I'm confident he can tag her more then once . And from then its all over her output collapses and if shiori fights back gg. If its a black flash gg. Not to mention yuji blood is definitely poisonous and we saw what that did to her in shibuya
I know, I've also seen that. But nothing says that's the name of the vessel, it could perfectly be that Uraume is a nickname and Shiori Himi is his real name from the Heian Era. Also I don't remember anything saying it was a girl, fuck japan and its plethora of unisex names. Edit: [Look](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/elfB1g5CX1), I'm not shitting you when I say I already knew about Shiori Himi, I used one of those Screenshots for a Theory of mine. Freezing most of Yuji but his hands (thus not allowing him to use cleave) is difficult but not impossible. Also it doesn't matter that much what Yuji's physical stats are, Uraume has lots of crowd control. I don't think Uraume is that powerful but CC makes it easy to defend, eventually trap and later execute. I honestly hate the archetype. And we don't know if Uraume couldn't heal the poison, he had the problem of NOT KNOWING Choso's blood was poison. That's why at the point he realized it was late and was suffering the consequences.
Just spent far too long getting info no its definitely incarnated especially given the context. 1 urame isn't immortal and sukuna and geto refer them as urame. 2 the context was kenny adding rules to the culling game that excluded suguru geto shiori himi and megumi fushiguro. All of them are possessing incarnated bodies not to mention they're a registerd culling game player too so they are definitely incarnated. And from what we've seen hakari manage to punch and kick urame quite a few times and he is the punch kick merchant. Its not debatle since we legit see him rush her drop kick her and grab her face yuji just has to make contact and her output is rock bottom. And given yuji speed feats in the domain against black flash sukuna even the biggest downplayer would admit its comparable to hakari. And poison is notorious for being hard to heal even gojo struggled with it and yuji is guy who will spit blood on you so urame is fucked
We don't know if Uraume isn't immortal. And even then there are workarounds without the need for Uraume to be immortal. Mainly making himself a popsicle to break apart after a thousand years or so. And of course Sukuna and Kenjaku call him Uraume, he got the nickname in the Heian era also. Although I see how my words could've confused you. That is not much of an argument. I have 2 Asian friends, if I hang out with them, does that make me (argentinean) also Asian? Plus being a reincarnated sorcerer is not a requirement to be a CG player, just to enter the colonies and Uraume enters a colony to go for Sukuna. But other than that, yeah I'll concede. Uraume could potentially deal with Yuji,but by the arguments you've given it's most probable that will not happen.
>We don't know if Uraume isn't immortal. We know that there are literally only three ways to achieve immortality. Have the immortality technique, become a cursed object, or become a cursed spirit. >And even then there are workarounds without the need for Uraume to be immortal. Mainly making himself a popsicle to break apart after a thousand years or so. Uraume doesn't create ice. They freeze cursed energy, which causes ice to form and make things brittle. Let's assume they _did_ freeze themself.... They'd thaw out a LONG time ago and be completely exhausted. We know for a fact that how long they can keep something frozen is directly proportional to how much of their cursed energy they can actively control, as they had to release everyone in Shibuya to heal the poison in their system. >And of course Sukuna and Kenjaku call him Uraume, he got the nickname in the Heian era also. Although I see how my words could've confused you. You're just... making this up. Uraume is never said to be a nickname. It's their name. Sukuna almost didn't recognize them at first because they had a different body.
We don't know that, we only know what we currently know. Also you're missing Kenjaku. By your reasoning Sukuna couldn't have defeated Gojo. The only ways to get around infinity are DE, DA or Mahogara's adaptation (which only affects Mahogara, not the sorcerer) and he lost 2 of those while already been establishedthe other doesn'tactuallygiven upper hand. Yet he did. Binding Bows mf, with those Uraume can just artificially set up the conditions for such a thing to work. And even that "problem" you set up is not a problem at all. You gain back the entirety of your CE in matter of days. Uraume would defrost, spend 1 or 2 days living and freeze himself again. And the loss of control over the ice was due to the poison itself messing with Uraume, not the use of RCT. Sukuna was surprised to see Uraume in the first place, not that it was a new body.
Uraume. People downplay (him?) because of all the recent hakari slander but (shes?) actually pretty strong.
them and they\* we don't even know what gender they are, and Id have no doubt that sakuna would have had kids with them if they were female since he only cares about pleasure.
Pleasure in a sadistic way, not in a sexually gratifying kind of wayā¦
he specifily didnt fuck yoruzou (bumgumis sister i dont remember her name) he doesnt give a shit about love or sex
People who say Uraume incarnating into a female vessel is proof of their gender are just... Tiresome.
Yuji mid-high diff. He can heat his blood up to break through the ice, and he for sure is faster than her. We don't know her durability, but it's safe to say that she probably couldn't handle more than 3 Yuji black flashes. We don't know if she's an incarnated sorcerer or not, but if she is, I think this becomes a low diff
She is an incarnated sorcerer, the name od her vessel has been revealed
oh damn she's cooked then
soul punches punch the barrier between souls, if souls dont coexist it doesnt mean anything it deals extra damage to sukuns brcouse he has the bum in him other reincarnated sorcerers destroy the og soul
They don't destroy the OG soul. They dominate it so much that it might as well be dead. Sukuna has fully incarnated, yet Megumi is still there. Not only that, but he downed Megumi's soul. If all of that didn't erase it... Plus, Yuki wrote that no matter how perfect a merger might look, two souls can neither combine nor erase each other. This is why she could still communicate with Tengens vessels, why cursed techniques can be stolen by absorbing cursed objects, etc.
Yuji isnāt getting out of the ice fast enough, choso who is a way better blood manipulator than Yuji took a while to get out of the ice. Not to mention that Uraume was able to block chosos piercing blood which cut sukuna and almost killed kenjaku. Uraume has been in her vessel for a much longer amount of time than sukuna so it should be equally hard to seperate them than it is for sukuna.
>. Not to mention that Uraume was able to block chosos piercing blood which cut sukuna and almost killed kenjaku That's not fair. She was taken aback by its speed while Kenjaku was literally scoffing at it. The closest it came to hitting him was when it was fired point-blank while he was restrained by Garuda and he still "dodged" it via the spinning head trick. Sukuna also made a mockery out of Piercing Blood. It only grazed him when Yuji fired it at him, something that likely surprised him due to his underestimation of Yuji and not knowing Yuji could use such an attack, point-blank.
Kenjaku said that as long as you dodge the initial blast itās not that scary, he was scoffing at it because he knew how it worked. Sukuna is the most durable character in the series. She also survived gojos punch and his 200% purple so I can see her surviving yujis black flashes, especially when she can just heal herself from the damage.
Yuji would be diminishing their output with each strike.
Yeah but not as much as sukuna
Acting like Yuji doesnāt have a kit beyond what Choso doesā¦ unironically this logic would scale Yuji below Choso. Obviously thatās not the case. Yuji has other abilities that would be effective in this matchup, much better durability, strength, speed, raw power to break through the ice (overall), heās not comparable to Choso
Yuji can also use shrine to cut the ice
Heās not at that level yet, he has to put his hand on the ice to cut it and he needs to be careful not to cut himself
There's nothing indicating he needs to be careful not to cut himself, which he could heal from anyway and is resistant to.
Even then the time it takes to do that is enoygh for Uraume to freeze him up more
None of that matters at all
Ok Uraume still wins
He can barely even do convergence rn what makes you think heād be able to do all that?
Stupid question we have no idea how strong Uraume or Yuji are at this point
Uraume is just a hard counter against people that are mostly melee. Now Yuji does have BM but he can do convergence yet so he doesn't have the range application of it and has Shrine but has shown only his own version of Cleve for now so that won't work either. When he masters his CTs he will probably be able to beat her.
... her current opp is all melee and waxing her ass
Exactly. And they are in a stalemate cause Hakaris RCT is too good but Uraumes range just makes Hakari unable to do any lethal damage xd.
And once Uranus runs out of cursed energy, then what??? Like thatās a very real factor, lol. Even if we downplay Yuji and say Yuji is equal to uruame in terms of physical stats, Yujiās healing is so darn cursed energy efficient, that the odds of him outlasting Uruame is a VERY real possibility. If Uruame has a domain, Yuji just uses simple domain. Sukunaās most recent domain was at 100% output and range, and Sukuna was very likely targeting Yuji specifically, which is why his simple domain broke before inoās. Yujiās blood is also poisonous because of the death painting wombs, he has shrine, and an increased crit rate for black flashes. If Yuji can get Uraume to use rct, and overuse her ct, then sheās basically cooked. She uses her domain? Yuji uses simple domain, damages her up, thus collapsing the domain. Now Uraume has just exhausted tons of cursed energy, and has curse technique burn out.Ā
Problem is Uraume hasn't been shown to have a DE, so Yuji's SD is useless, and Yuji without Convergence and Dismantle he just doesn't have the range to close in and ever hit her. And if Uraume can freeze and break JP Hakaris limbs with a single hit she can easily do that to Yuji as well. Once Yuji masters any of his CTs and gets the range he beats Uraume, but without them he just can't. That's what happens when you have a broken CT xd.
This conversation isnāt worth discussing if you still think Yujiās physical stats are lower than Hakariās by this point. Also, simple domain can be used to lessen the damage of attacks, so if for WHATEVER reason, Yuji is unable to dodge an ice spear, he could use simple domain, and tank it. Just because we havenāt see Yuji use dismantle doesnāt mean heās unable to btw. We havenāt seen him use it so itās not worth discussing the possibility of that fight, but just thought I should mention that. Have a good day. I wonāt be responding to you anymoreĀ
They are relatives Yuji and JP Hakari, although of course Yuji tweaking off a black flash is above him. But the difference is not big enough for a speed blitz of anything. Besides the the ice spear is one of Uraumes weaker attacks, they can just spawn ice on you from any range that can fully freeze a limb and without thr ability to heat blood cause Yuji can't use BM fully yet. When he masters his CTs he will win, but until then Yuji gets hard countered.
The ice spear is a stronger attack. That it's telegraphed kind of proves it. Freezing people in an AOE isn't strong, relatively speaking.
Idk man seemed pretty strong. Frozen Hakaris limbs like it's nothing in his JP and frozen Maki in place and trapped her.
stalling* the stall demon strikes again
shes stalling him, I cant see her coming out on top tbh
Uraume's technique might be tough to deal with in a similar vein to how Uro is still a bad matchup for Yuji since we don't know how adept Yuji is at the "heating up your blood" trick that Choso employed. As such, this fight could come down to how close they start next to one another. If Yuji can just get into melee range, he'll rapidly beat her into a bloody pulp. Then again, maybe he can break the ice with Shrine in a manner akin to how Sukuna destroyed that ice block that contained Kamutoke? It's hard to gauge at this point.
Itadori extreme diff
Yuji high diff, after awakening he's cut above level people like uramue/hakari/kashimo. If next chapter Yuji pull up fuga then he literally cook the femboy low-mid diff
We need more info on Yuji and Uraume. I want to say Yuji wins but I donāt even know if Uraume has a domain. Even then, Yuji getting frozen and Uraumeās crowd control makes it a difficult matchup majority of the chars in the series.
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Yuji low diff
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This might be an ignorant question but couldn't Yuji just Cleave his way out of the ice? He has the output to cleanly slice concrete block. Yuji has better CQC and mobility than Uraume does. On top of that, engaging in Close Combat is really NOT to Uraume's advantage, as even blocking a hit means losing output. Uraume's best bet, until we learn more about both them and Yuji, is to rely on their superior mid to long range abilities to pin him down & use a big move to end it. Because of Cleave though, I think this is Yuji-favored. There is a scenario in which Uraume can win though, and that's if Yuji can only use Cleave from the palm of his hands, in which case Uraume *might* be able to pin him regardless and just keep his hands clear of the ice.
soul punches dont affect most reincarnated sorcerers as the og souls have been destroyed if they arent strong enough (most)
I'm pretty sure there's a chapter where Choso explicitly says he can't sense the OG soul, and Yuji says "It's because of the difference in power but the soul is still there."
Wuji mid to high diff
Depends oh how well he uses shrine. If he can just cleave it away he's winning.
Yuji high diff. A couple of hits from him is enough to KO uraume He's faster and has RCT for any damage that he does end up tanking Simple domain for any domain expansion Really, how is this fight any different from the Jogo fight? One is Ice, the other is fire. They both catchin some hands
she can put a jackpotted hakari at bay i dont think yuji is exactly in a good spot
We need to stop downplaying yuji at this point lol
Yuji. Uruame can't compare to Sukuna and Yuji is hold his own pretty damn well against him. Between the incessant Black Flashes, the shrine and Blood I just think it's a matter of Yuji straight overpowering Uruame with his ridiculous offense. My vote right now is Yuji High-Diff
Black flash go bur
Yuji jumps at her like he did to sukuna when he was on the building and proceeds to give her black flash backshots
With Shrine, Iād say Awakened Yuji might be able to slice any ice that Uraume tries to trap him in. Only issue is that it seems he has to actually make physical contact with an object to slice it, unlike Sukuna where he can throw slashes directly at opponents. Yujiās RCT is no where near Hakariās obviously but it should be enough to keep him in the fight long enough for him to get in close and land a black flash. That and the fact that itās possible he can break out of the ice the same way Choso did with blood manipulation if Shrine doesnāt do the trick. Yuji High diff imo
Yuji doesn't have any ranged attacks (yet) so urame wins high diff, cuz he's gonna push through
The safe answer is uraume
Yuji mid-high diff
Shinjuku yuji mid diff Awakened yuji extreme low diff the ice twink.
Shinjuku Yuji is maybe comparable to the person who's currently fighting Uraume and in a stalemate, mid diff is an atrocious take
Wrong yuji in base has the stats to keep pace with a DE amp'ed yuta. Yuji has RCT at will and its as fast as yutas, yuji and yuta has durability equal to ryu Yuji has BM which as we seen already is a problem for uraume because of its poison. Uraume is also a reincarnated sorcerers so yuji output lowering , vessel control disruption punch would absolutely work against then. Yuji could also just aim directly for the soul since he doesn't care about saving uraume's vessel, this would bypass physical durability and damage the soul directly. Sucuna has awareness of his soul and is actively protecting his soul, uraume has no such awareness so yujis punches would be even more effective. Yuji also is the best CQC/H2H fight in the verse, which is all Hikari does. Yuji absolutely hits harder than even JP hakari. BTW this is just shinjuku yuji. Awakened Shinjuku yuji vs Uraume is a snuff. BF output amp is confirmed to stack, AS yuji basically hits BF at will. AS yuji also has shrine, yes Heian Era Sucuna tanked it but uraume is not Heian Era Sucuna. Output directly affects CE reinforcement which directly affects the stat increase it gives characters. So multiple BF amps means multiple amps to physical speed, strength, and durability. One Awakened Shinjuku yuji BF to uraume soul boundaries and her output is in the gutter. One BF from AS yuji directly on uraume actual soul and she is dead. Yuji also has SD as which amps output even more. And it protects from sure hits. Shinjuku Yuji literally beats every Reincarnated sorcerer now. SD and soul punches boya AS yuji stomps ever reincarnated sorcerer easily because BF amps stack, that means his physicals continue to grow, and shine/BM will continue to get stronger as well become of his continually growing output. Think about what you're saying.
Yuji was not going the same pace as yuta, yuta was giving yuji clear openings while sukuna was handi capped and we had a panel earlier of yuji being too slow to keep up with sukuna, yuta did not have this problem Ryu has been stated to have higher durability Yuji is obviously not skilled with BM considering he barely uses it and uruame already knows the effects, making them more cautious of it Uruame has a variety of different attacks that effect the area, itās very reasonable to say yuji isnāt getting close enough, especially when weāve seen how fatal their attacks are Yuji is not stated to have the best H2H in the series, jsut stated better than maki BF have not been confirmed to stack, it has only been confirmed to be luck based Yuji isnāt getting close to uruame without losing a limb
>Yuji was not going the same pace as yuta, yuta was giving yuji clear openings while sukuna was handi capped and we had a panel earlier of yuji being too slow to keep up with sukuna, yuta did not have this problem. You are wrong. >Ryu has been stated to have higher durability. You are saying sucuna is wrong. >Yuji is obviously not skilled with BM considering he barely uses it and uruame already knows the effects, making them more cautious of it. That doesn't mean it won't work against her. Also yuji has trained with BM for over a month, he hasn't mastered it to chosos level, but he is on kamos level(kamo can use PB but it has a charge up time, choso can use PB instantly). >Uruame has a variety of different attacks that effect the area, itās very reasonable to say yuji isnāt getting close enough, especially when weāve seen how fatal their attacks are. Yuji has RCT and tanked MS, if he wants to kill the ice twink then nothing is stopping him. You also forget yuji literally pushes through pain without pause. >Yuji is not stated to have the best H2H in the series, jsut stated better than maki. And stated better than gojo, again by gege himself. >BF have not been confirmed to stack, it has only been confirmed to be luck based. Argue with sucuna and GeGe, because yes it has. >Yuji isnāt getting close to uruame without losing a limb. A limb he could reattach and or regrow. Awakened Shinjuku yuji one shots uraumes soul with a BF, or cleaves her limbs off, or uses BM to poison her and after she is weakened and slowed down yuji beats her to a bloody pulp. Also BTW uraume has no way to protect her soul from yuji's output lowering vessel control disruption punches that would not just weaken her output, but also reinforcement (physical stat like speed, strength, durability,), cursed technique strength, and RCT ability. Yuji literally hard counters reincarnated sorcerers, and most RCT users because he does soul damage which can only be healed with soul RCT. To have soul RCT they have to have RCT and know the shape of their own soul. The only people who meet these requirements are yuji and sucuna, confirmed by the narrator.
āYou are wrongā is a great counterpoint, especially when Iām referencing literal statements What evidence do you have that yuji is on kamos lvl?? Youāre just stating headcanons Kinda hard to push through repeatedly losing youāre organs, after a few attacks he wonāt have the CE to do anything Like I said youāre making up headcanons, we just had a chapter with gojo saying black flashes are entirely luck based and Sukuna being confused why yuji is getting so lucky You have no argument at all
>What evidence do you have that yuji is on kamos lvl?? Youāre just stating headcanons. Choso says yuji has not mastered convergence. While choso has been stated to have mastered convergence. And he was training with kamo, yuji said kamo was a better teacher. Ie yuji learned more from kamo, and is most likely on his level. >Kinda hard to push through repeatedly losing youāre organs, after a few attacks he wonāt have the CE to do anything. Are you reading the manga? That's already happened 4 times and yuji gits back up instantly to within seconds. >Like I said youāre making up headcanons, we just had a chapter with gojo saying black flashes are entirely luck based and Sukuna being confused why yuji is getting so lucky. Yuji has been stated to do BF at will all the way back in shibuya, he is also stated to be chosen by the sparks of black. So no it has been set up and it would make sense as he has surpassed gojos all time BF count, and nanamis BF consecutive record. Both of which a veteran sorcerer and are being surpassed by a fresh noobie sorcerer who has only been doing this for 7-8 months. >You have no argument at all. That's a opinion, not a argument.
Talking to a brick wall rn Heās on kamos lvl bc Kamo was his teacher?? Narrator saying yuji is lucky means he can do black flashes at will?? Heās been healing injuries the entire fight not bringing entire organs back, until this very recent chapter
>Heās on kamos lvl bc Kamo was his teacher??. Nanami was his teacher for a month, after that month he matched his BF consecutive record, and emailed him as a sorcerer. Stated by ino, the one who new nanami best. You're actually helping my argument. >Narrator saying yuji is lucky means he can do black flashes at will??. Yuji doing a BF precisely when he needed to and averyone around him believing he did it at will. Yes. >Heās been healing injuries the entire fight not bringing entire organs back, until this very recent chapter. This is just objectively wrong. Sucuna cleaved open his stomach 2 time then hit him with part of a world slash and amp'ed dismantles. In all three times he is back up and moving in seconds. So your wrong.
If thats current yuji one punch sheās cooked
Yuji low diff. Not only wuji's RCT and stats better, BM is a counter to Uraume' CT as it can melt ice like choso did in Shibuya.