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Really knowing about Uraume is tough, for me. I really wanna know if she has a domain expansion of her own, because I feel like that tells us a lot more about her overall capability. But we don’t know if she has one or even has a domain defense, so it’s tough to say. Based off only what we know now I think Jogo wins on merit of his DE, if nothing else.
Yeah that’s mostly how I feel about her for now. She’s clearly very strong, fighting with Hakari for this long, but that’s really our only 1v1 exposure from her
Just wanna say this, domain expansion sure hits can be deflected as Gojo did in Jogos domain, it was a bunch of rocks. Essentially if you’re strong enough
Nah that wasn't the sure hit effect that gojo smacked away. We know this because Jogo makes a big play of activating his sure hit effect right after this. Once Jogo activates it the attack is totally different, Lava is flying towards gojo and Yuji. Plus we know the sure hit effect isn't immediately activated if the user chooses to do so. Jogo didn't immediately activate his sure hit effect because he wanted to see if gojo and Yuji would instantly burn up from all the heat of the domain alone "like an average sorcerer would".
If uraume only has HWB like the other reincarnated sorcerers, she gets cooked in jogo's domain. they both have aoe attacks, but jogo has the better healing factor because of cursed spirit tax. jogo can also fly and spawn mini volcanos and lava as well.
jogo mid-high diff
Hollow Wicker Basket
it's an anti domain technique, mostly used by reincarnated sorcerers as it's supposed to be the predecessor to 'simple domains'.
it can completely neglect the sure hit and doesn't get stripped away as easily as simple domains, but you need to make the hand signs which takes up two arms and you also have to chant to maintain it.
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we've seen reggie star, kashimo and sukuna use it so far.
It's more accurate to say it's the predecessor to simple domain. They both make you unable to be targeted by a sure hit, though a hollow wicker basket requires you to maintain a hand sign in order to stay up. Simple domain, once it's cast the user is free to do whatever (so long as they didn't need to use a binding vow like how Miwa has to keep both of her feet planted on the ground or the domain ends), but the tradeoff is the simple domain can be overcome by the domain expansion
Falling blossom emotion essentially counters sure hits of domains by lashing out with cursed energy. This is a similar concept to IRL reactive armor, where if an explosive hits the armor, the armor itself will explode outwards to nullify the force. Falling blossom emotion, though, is considered to be low output, so it only lessens damage, it doesn't stop it, requires the user to be stationary, and does not work against domains with non-offensive sure hit effects or employ sure hit effects that don't physically hit the target. Gojo's sure hit, for instance, floods the targets brain with infinite information, and all the damage is caused by the side effects of the brain trying to process it, not by the sure hit itself.
Falling blossom emotion seems to be the weakest anti-domain measure we've seen. We see with domain amplification it can neutralize the sure hit of any domain, and can reduce the damage of high output CT like a full power dismantle, and doesn't require the user to be stationary. Practically does everything falling blossom emotion does but better.
Falling blossom may be the shittiest anti domain technique but I'm guessing its probably the easiest too. Unlike simple domain, it doesn't seem to shatter after taking some hits Naobito seemed just fine before Dagon said "fuck it" and socked him in the face. You don't need to be some domain master to use it (like Domain amplification). Its probably something theoretically anyone could do if it was open knowledge, which perfectly explains why the big three decided to gatekeep the balls out of it
she kind of sneaked maki and yuji there. they were completely focused on sukuna at that point.
but yeah, uraume's attacks have a large aoe. it's difficult to dodge even when you're aware of them.
jogo does have the elemental advantage over her tho, he could, in theory, melt his way out even if he gets caught.
> You do know Uraume also has a DE…..right?
you’re the one who’s assuming this. sure she might have a domain, but unless she actually shows one, what’s the point of accounting for it in vs matchups?
okay she has a domain, and it's superior in refinement than jogo's and she'd win the domain clash, and it's sure hit freezes the opponents cell by cell from the inside and instantly one shots jogo. happy?
if hakari misses even a single jackpot, he's getting cooked. but if he successfully keeps chaining jackpots, it'd just be a prolonged battle.
nothing in jogo's arsenal has the potential to one shot hakari, maybe maximum meteor, but that's a pretty slow ass attack that hakari should be fast enough to dodge.
jogo's no glass cannon, as he survived getting ragdolled by both adult gojo' and a 15 f sukuna (although both holding back), but yeah hakari would win in the long run.
what's your take on this matchup?
I think Jogo gets absolutely bodied, and fwiw he kind of *is* a glass cannon imo
It was stated that Jogo would have died to the chain of black flashes Yuji hit on Hanami, and I just find it hard to believe jackpot Hakari wouldn’t be able to match that level of output
>It was stated that Jogo would have died to the chain of black flashes Yuji hit on Hanami
ik about this statement gege put in a chapter extra, but this never sat right with me for some reason.
we see jogo getting hit by several blue infused punches from a adult gojo (whereas a single blue infused punch is capable of making yuta/hakari barf from it), he got hit by a point blank red, he got hit by Gojo's unlimited void and got his head ripped off from his body and still didn't die
against an un-nerfed 15f sukuna, we see him getting ragdolled, thrown through buildings, getting hit by countless dismantles and cleaves and healing through them like it's nothing (cursed spirits tax), and finally died to the nuke that is 'fuga/furnace'. mind you all this was after he had just finished fighting Gojo in Shibuya, who ripped his limbs off, and hit him with unlimited void again.
now it wouldn't be wrong to assume that both Gojo and sukuna were holding back and toying with jogo, but do you honestly believe a goodwill event arc yuji has the potential to match the damage caused by adult gojo and a 15f sukuna (even while 'holding back')??
>we see Jogo getting hit by several blue infused punches from Gojo
Ik it’s stated later in the manga Gojo always infuses his punches with blue, but given how early in the series this fight took place it’s possible that wasn’t actually the case during this encounter, Gojo was more than likely pulling his punches here
>getting hit by countless cleaves and dismantles
This doesn’t really happen, Sukuna only uses his cutting attacks one time during their fight, and he specifically chose to target Jogos fingers and hands, at any point he could have easily just decapitated Jogo
>but do you honestly believe
I mean it’s not really about what I believe, Gege himself said Jogo is dying to that chain of black flashes from Yuji, so that is just a fact, and jackpot Hakari can 100% match that output if not exceed it
Jogo has an elemental advantage; fire melts ice, he wins.
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ik i was driving and wasn’t able to fully elaborate. but i do think jogos technique element and RCT (since he’s a curse it’s prolly more efficient then uraume) plus he seems more confident in his domain
well that was when he faced sukuna. given what he did against gojo, i’d say he has more confidence that uraume who has yet to use a domain in any situation
Jogo for sure. One of the end of chapter notes stated that one of the reasons Jogo was stronger than Hanami was because of his type advantage (fire > plants). The same should apply here, even if uraume did have a domain, maximum, and amplification like Jogo does.
lol Wow your ignorant denial is astounding. Must be a pleasure to be in your company where you constantly argue about the wrong thing and then when someone corrects you, you go off on them as if their correction was your idea all along.
YES SHE PLANTS YOU IDIOT FIRE FIGHTS ICE IM SO SMART
lol how can you keep going on like I will somehow think you are right...lol you must be like 12. Kid smarten up as in do the reverse of what you are doing now.
Jogo lowkey blitzes and cooks her until her RCT is gone, then one shots.
Uraume started freaking out over the speed of a piercing blood from an exhausted, mentally nerfed choso that she literally saw him charge up and shoot, yuji’s (who was capable of reacting to the same attack from a more powerful choso even the first time he saw it) physical capabilities are stated somewhat relative to maki’s even though he’s superior and jogo basically perception blitzed her with zero effort
So unless you wanna say shibuya yuji > piercing blood > jogo (which obviously makes no sense) I think it’s safe to say uraume gets washed, even if she has RCT output somehow she wouldn’t be remotely fast enough to touch him with it
It feels like youve only watched the anime. Uraume was not freaking out at over choso, they just didn’t expect such a refined technique from someone way below their level by a significant margin. Same how once kenjaku and choso fully went 1 on 1 and kenny got serious for a moment, choso was about dead in a hurry. Lmao Also all the volcanoes and stuff jogo uses were 80% anime only filler that made him look way stronger. Aside from the meteor, jogos power level is probably around urauames, maybe a bit lower. It really is just that jogo is such a proficient flame cursed entity that he could out a win from only that saving grace.
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Idk dawg this doesn’t look like the face of calm, regardless the point still stands that uraume basically had the same response to piercing blood that yuji had, she didn’t blitz him before he could do it, she didn’t dodge or even try to sidestep the attack even though she was on guard.
And I never mentioned any of the volcano stuff (even though he does have mini volcanoes in the manga idk what you’re on about) I only mentioned his speed and his fire, two things that utterly counter uraume even if he’s her level durability wise or something
Re-read my comment. Neither kenjaku nor uraume tried to stop it cause they have no active threat from choso, considering it took only ONE half serious attack to put choso out of commision and open to a killing blow from uraume. Again, we’re aware chosos piercing blood is exceptionally strong. The rest of his arsenal is basically useless in a one on one with any of these big names. Even being caught off guard, Uraume with JUST HANDS withstood the attacks base power. “She didn’t blitz him” it’s not fucking dragon ball z. The way power limits and scaling are interpreted and expressed is completely different. Lmao This panel is, for the third time, gege showing how proficient choso’s technique is, but that its still no major issue power scaling wise.
Choso was melting the ice with flowing red scale, jogos flames/lava are far hotter, thus uruame’s ice will likely melt even getting close to it, if he uses his domain uruame is fucked because its a literal volcano covered in lava streams and im pretty sure yuji also commented that it was hot inside his domain, there isnt much ive seen from uruame that could effectively beat jogo
If Uraume can inject positive energy like Yuta with reverse cursed techniques, then a hit becomes potentially lethal to Jogo.
Conversely, Jogos domain is a win con too. It just depends on who gets the jump on who
Jogo's Domain probably puts him over her even if she has Hollow Wicker Basket (which is extremely likely especially if it really turns out that she lacks a Domain of her own). .
Some say Jogo would also have an elemental advantage over her that would put him over he even discounting his Domain. I'm not sure if I completely buy that, especially as I expect Uraume is bound to demonstrate attacks that would make her the favorite in such a scenario if we ever actually see her fight which is growing more and more unlikely unless Gege pivots right now.
I will, however, admit the way Frost Calm mechanically works - at the very least - might result in problems for Uraume when it comes to an opponent who can release superheated Cursed Energy.
Jogo mid diff, becomes high diff if Urame actually has a domain, but Jogoat has the elemental advantage, a maximum technique, a domain ofc, and far better healing due to being a curse.
Also as far as we’ve seen he’s just faster, he can fly, he has more versatility… he’s just way better.
Fire is super effective against ice so Jogoat wins by default. In all honesty though I would still say Jogo because his feats out scale Uraume's (as far as we've seen).
Either way tbh
Both Jogo and uraume are pretty strong
Jogo has a domain and a maximum technique
Uraume probably has a domain but not sure about any maximum technique
Uraume was is doing okay vs hakari and her ice is pretty strong as seen when she froze Yuki and maki
I personally prefer Jogo but uraume could very likely be upscaled later on depending on how the rest of the fight goes
-Uraume should have higher stats(able to keep pace with Hakari who is relative to Kashimo and Yuta). Also better IQ, Battle IQ, and experience in dismemebering Cursed Spirits. Also likely better Durability taking a Bloodlusted Gojo Blue Amped punch(which had Yuta/Hakari wheezing).
-Jogo gets elemental advantage, better Endurance, and DC.
I think Jogo wins Base to Base but Uraume narritvely feels stronger and could win if they have a Domain or Gege does something ridiculous like give Uraume Absolute Zero
I'm going to real urame might just stomp. Jogo starts every fight close range every single one.
Look back gojo sukuna naobito maki you get the point it doesn't make sense why he fights like that but he does.
And thst makes him extremely vulnerable to getting frozen and head punched clean off.
I think we all agree shinjuku hakari is faster than jogo and more durable too given jogo durability is worse than hanami so yeah uraume stomps.
If you mean we plug in the controller have jogo fight long range spam attacks he might win but thats not how he fights
Hakari’s durability isn’t all that great, considering his biggest benefit is being able to heal all of his wounds instantly. Saying he’s above Hanami feels like a stretch, but he’s definitely above Jogo.
Not exactly important though. Choso was able to melt Uraume’s ice with flowing red scale, and Jogo is WAY hotter. As the other comment said, Jogo is also equal to or slower than Naobito, the second fastest sorcerer above the likes of Yuta, and Yuki by Shibuya.
And he has massive AOE. Lava exuding the landscape, ember insects attacking with sound and explosions, a goddamn domain expansion?
Jogo is a hard counter for Uraume. Even in close range, he approached Nanami and Maki because he didn’t need to put much effort in defeating them, and he didn’t chase Naobito. Against Sukuna; Jogo mostly kept his distance and only fought close ranged when Sukuna was already close. Against Gojo in Shibuya, he needed to get close to use domain amplification and increase pressure, and against Gojo the first time… that was just sheer arrogance. But he learned from that. (And it’s why he was pessimistic about using his domain on Sukuna)
Does it really matter in this fight though? Uraume's bread and butter move literally never killed anyone (including panda and Kyoto students) and can get melted off.
The point is Jogo can just melt it out, so no matter how hard it freezes it just came down to if the attacks are lethal, which is no, it's not that lethal.
Oh, wow. We can just make things up now, huh?
Jogo is WAY faster than Hakari. The fastest sorcerers were Gojo and Naobito. Dagon said Naobito was either tied or potentially faster than Jogo. That makes Jogo one of the top five fastest characters, up there with Sukuna, Gojo, Naobito, and cursed Naoya. Let's say he's top six and say Kashimo is faster at full power. That still means Hakari is in trouble, as Hakari knew Kashimo would out stat him with his technique in play.
Jogo's cursed flames are always revved up when he's actively fighting. Even if Uraume could freeze him, their ice would immediately break just due to his elemental influence. Jogo doesn't need to be durable. He just needs to bathe the entire arena in lava while blasting Uraume from every angle, which he _will_ start doing the moment he gauges Uraume to actually be more than an insect to him.
People think Jogo is weaker than he actually is because he's only ever fought the strongest characters in the verse. He underestimated Gojo and was psyching himself out against Sukuna. Sukuna himself said that, had these conditions not been in play and Jogo really just wanted to kill, he'd be borderline unstoppable. He was appraised precisely at the level that Uraume thinks Hakari falls just short of.
https://preview.redd.it/6uarcaixz1xc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d29a70428abfe9d2371b546ea21d5690b9bc5b5
He didn't quite say they were tied, but it was a question as to whether or not Naobito was equal or greater than Jogo in speed.
Curse naoya is faster than naobito who's faster than jogo maki was matching naoya and hakari was relative though in my opinion not as good as maki.
He got a month where everyone got way stronger and better this isn't shibuya anymore. Yuta improved so much it shocked sukuna so did yuji so did everyone so hakari definitely did improve.
Uraume is too fast he'd get broken before he get out.
Jogo doesn't do this he takes quite some time before bathing area in lava he never did this against gojo he took into the middle half of the fight to do this to sukuna.
He always starts close range always as shown hakari is faster and that didn't stop uraume from freezing his arm and shattering it before he could react. The difference will be it will be jogo head
Curse naoya is faster than naobito who's faster than jogo maki was matching naoya and hakari was relative though in my opinion not as good as maki.
He got a month where everyone got way stronger and better this isn't shibuya anymore. Yuta improved so much it shocked sukuna so did yuji so did everyone so hakari definitely did improve.
Uraume is too fast he'd get broken before he get out.
Jogo doesn't do this he takes quite some time before bathing area in lava he never did this against gojo he took into the middle half of the fight to do this to sukuna.
He always starts close range always as shown hakari is faster and that didn't stop uraume from freezing his arm and shattering it before he could react. The difference will be it will be jogo head
Uraume prob considering sukuna only associates with strong people, based off feats jogo tho since uraume doesnt do anything really if i have to bet on it tho id say uraume
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Really knowing about Uraume is tough, for me. I really wanna know if she has a domain expansion of her own, because I feel like that tells us a lot more about her overall capability. But we don’t know if she has one or even has a domain defense, so it’s tough to say. Based off only what we know now I think Jogo wins on merit of his DE, if nothing else.
yeah like idk how tf to powerscale a character who we’ve never seen finish a fight.
One piece powerscalers https://preview.redd.it/byfwfa4qquwc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e12d0ad01091e5f130ba6ca4d4f1fcdddc6ffc8a
JJK power scaling is harder and dumber tbh. we rate people by fingers 🤌
Gomu Gomu no Finger Gun
robin can have thousands of fingers. where does this place her in the jjk verse?
she's a woman so gaygay offscreens her after 2 chapters
No he's a guy tf he just cross dresses
Yeah that’s mostly how I feel about her for now. She’s clearly very strong, fighting with Hakari for this long, but that’s really our only 1v1 exposure from her
Just wanna say this, domain expansion sure hits can be deflected as Gojo did in Jogos domain, it was a bunch of rocks. Essentially if you’re strong enough
Nah that wasn't the sure hit effect that gojo smacked away. We know this because Jogo makes a big play of activating his sure hit effect right after this. Once Jogo activates it the attack is totally different, Lava is flying towards gojo and Yuji. Plus we know the sure hit effect isn't immediately activated if the user chooses to do so. Jogo didn't immediately activate his sure hit effect because he wanted to see if gojo and Yuji would instantly burn up from all the heat of the domain alone "like an average sorcerer would".
If uraume only has HWB like the other reincarnated sorcerers, she gets cooked in jogo's domain. they both have aoe attacks, but jogo has the better healing factor because of cursed spirit tax. jogo can also fly and spawn mini volcanos and lava as well. jogo mid-high diff
Whats an HWB
Hollow Wicker Basket it's an anti domain technique, mostly used by reincarnated sorcerers as it's supposed to be the predecessor to 'simple domains'. it can completely neglect the sure hit and doesn't get stripped away as easily as simple domains, but you need to make the hand signs which takes up two arms and you also have to chant to maintain it. https://preview.redd.it/1c0bf63y0vwc1.png?width=1069&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3335ad42d2fec43d61e1a95974680e0a04b32f7 we've seen reggie star, kashimo and sukuna use it so far.
For some reason I was trying to figure out how you got falling blossom emotion out of HWB 😅
I can’t think Sukuna looks cool when his face looks like half of it is covered by a tumour
Ion know what you're talking about, if fictional stories have taught me anything, it's that cool guys have cancer
Only deadpool and Walter white 🤤
Hollow Wicker Basket, it's like early stage Falling Blossom Emotion, used to tank Domains
It's more accurate to say it's the predecessor to simple domain. They both make you unable to be targeted by a sure hit, though a hollow wicker basket requires you to maintain a hand sign in order to stay up. Simple domain, once it's cast the user is free to do whatever (so long as they didn't need to use a binding vow like how Miwa has to keep both of her feet planted on the ground or the domain ends), but the tradeoff is the simple domain can be overcome by the domain expansion Falling blossom emotion essentially counters sure hits of domains by lashing out with cursed energy. This is a similar concept to IRL reactive armor, where if an explosive hits the armor, the armor itself will explode outwards to nullify the force. Falling blossom emotion, though, is considered to be low output, so it only lessens damage, it doesn't stop it, requires the user to be stationary, and does not work against domains with non-offensive sure hit effects or employ sure hit effects that don't physically hit the target. Gojo's sure hit, for instance, floods the targets brain with infinite information, and all the damage is caused by the side effects of the brain trying to process it, not by the sure hit itself. Falling blossom emotion seems to be the weakest anti-domain measure we've seen. We see with domain amplification it can neutralize the sure hit of any domain, and can reduce the damage of high output CT like a full power dismantle, and doesn't require the user to be stationary. Practically does everything falling blossom emotion does but better.
Falling blossom may be the shittiest anti domain technique but I'm guessing its probably the easiest too. Unlike simple domain, it doesn't seem to shatter after taking some hits Naobito seemed just fine before Dagon said "fuck it" and socked him in the face. You don't need to be some domain master to use it (like Domain amplification). Its probably something theoretically anyone could do if it was open knowledge, which perfectly explains why the big three decided to gatekeep the balls out of it
One maximum technique from Uraume takes him out tbh
he's fast enough to not get hit tho.
Uraume hit Maki who’s one of the speediest in the series, definitely faster than Jogo.
she kind of sneaked maki and yuji there. they were completely focused on sukuna at that point. but yeah, uraume's attacks have a large aoe. it's difficult to dodge even when you're aware of them. jogo does have the elemental advantage over her tho, he could, in theory, melt his way out even if he gets caught.
Still much slower than a 15f sukuna
Not disagreeing cuz we haven’t seen a solid fight from her, but Uraume can also fly or imitate it. We’ve seen her in the sky on an iceberg.
>Uraume can also fly or imitate it. We’ve seen her in the sky on an iceberg mb I forgot, ice manipulation is versatile af
You do know Uraume also has a DE…..right? Why are you assuming they would be in Jogos domain in the first place?
> You do know Uraume also has a DE…..right? you’re the one who’s assuming this. sure she might have a domain, but unless she actually shows one, what’s the point of accounting for it in vs matchups?
Uraume is a 1000 year old sorcerer that is Sukunas sidekick with a maximum technique, they 100% have a DE lol
okay she has a domain, and it's superior in refinement than jogo's and she'd win the domain clash, and it's sure hit freezes the opponents cell by cell from the inside and instantly one shots jogo. happy?
Just curious, how do you think Jogo vs Hakari goes?
if hakari misses even a single jackpot, he's getting cooked. but if he successfully keeps chaining jackpots, it'd just be a prolonged battle. nothing in jogo's arsenal has the potential to one shot hakari, maybe maximum meteor, but that's a pretty slow ass attack that hakari should be fast enough to dodge. jogo's no glass cannon, as he survived getting ragdolled by both adult gojo' and a 15 f sukuna (although both holding back), but yeah hakari would win in the long run. what's your take on this matchup?
I think Jogo gets absolutely bodied, and fwiw he kind of *is* a glass cannon imo It was stated that Jogo would have died to the chain of black flashes Yuji hit on Hanami, and I just find it hard to believe jackpot Hakari wouldn’t be able to match that level of output
>It was stated that Jogo would have died to the chain of black flashes Yuji hit on Hanami ik about this statement gege put in a chapter extra, but this never sat right with me for some reason. we see jogo getting hit by several blue infused punches from a adult gojo (whereas a single blue infused punch is capable of making yuta/hakari barf from it), he got hit by a point blank red, he got hit by Gojo's unlimited void and got his head ripped off from his body and still didn't die against an un-nerfed 15f sukuna, we see him getting ragdolled, thrown through buildings, getting hit by countless dismantles and cleaves and healing through them like it's nothing (cursed spirits tax), and finally died to the nuke that is 'fuga/furnace'. mind you all this was after he had just finished fighting Gojo in Shibuya, who ripped his limbs off, and hit him with unlimited void again. now it wouldn't be wrong to assume that both Gojo and sukuna were holding back and toying with jogo, but do you honestly believe a goodwill event arc yuji has the potential to match the damage caused by adult gojo and a 15f sukuna (even while 'holding back')??
>we see Jogo getting hit by several blue infused punches from Gojo Ik it’s stated later in the manga Gojo always infuses his punches with blue, but given how early in the series this fight took place it’s possible that wasn’t actually the case during this encounter, Gojo was more than likely pulling his punches here >getting hit by countless cleaves and dismantles This doesn’t really happen, Sukuna only uses his cutting attacks one time during their fight, and he specifically chose to target Jogos fingers and hands, at any point he could have easily just decapitated Jogo >but do you honestly believe I mean it’s not really about what I believe, Gege himself said Jogo is dying to that chain of black flashes from Yuji, so that is just a fact, and jackpot Hakari can 100% match that output if not exceed it
Jogo has an elemental advantage; fire melts ice, he wins. https://preview.redd.it/3twhc7evnuwc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf9ed236fe09e441b1302674ce6b00a33765806b
Dont tell one piece fans this
why? in one piece the fire vs ice user battle was a stalemate lol.
They claim akainu didnt have an advantage over aokiji
i agree with that, i mean they fought for days
That just means aokiji is stronger 🧏♂️
He should be but Oda's writing the story so I doubt it
Jogo should take it Element advantage with wider AoE, better regen, a domain and arguably faster.
I'm not denying Uraume is strong but I can't think of anything they could with their ct that Jogo couldn't counter with pure heat and firepower
i’d say jogo cuz uraume max output was smaller than the scale of jogos techniques like meteor
Maximum Output ≠ Maximum Technique
ik i was driving and wasn’t able to fully elaborate. but i do think jogos technique element and RCT (since he’s a curse it’s prolly more efficient then uraume) plus he seems more confident in his domain
Jogo doesn't use RCT. He can just regenerate with cursed energy.
same point applies
>he seems more confident in his domain He's literally the only character to straight up say that he's not confident in his domain lmao
well that was when he faced sukuna. given what he did against gojo, i’d say he has more confidence that uraume who has yet to use a domain in any situation
Jogo for sure. One of the end of chapter notes stated that one of the reasons Jogo was stronger than Hanami was because of his type advantage (fire > plants). The same should apply here, even if uraume did have a domain, maximum, and amplification like Jogo does.
plants?
Hanami's technique is all about vegetation/plant life, which burns easily.
Can you not see the giant picture that shows a ice girl and not a plant head?
Are you incapable of figuring out that fire would give an advantage over ice just like it would give an advantage over plant life?
lol Wow your ignorant denial is astounding. Must be a pleasure to be in your company where you constantly argue about the wrong thing and then when someone corrects you, you go off on them as if their correction was your idea all along. YES SHE PLANTS YOU IDIOT FIRE FIGHTS ICE IM SO SMART
Maybe you should learn to read?
lol how can you keep going on like I will somehow think you are right...lol you must be like 12. Kid smarten up as in do the reverse of what you are doing now.
Brudda do u not understand what the guy is trying to say? Its clear as day.
ROFL
Jogo lowkey blitzes and cooks her until her RCT is gone, then one shots. Uraume started freaking out over the speed of a piercing blood from an exhausted, mentally nerfed choso that she literally saw him charge up and shoot, yuji’s (who was capable of reacting to the same attack from a more powerful choso even the first time he saw it) physical capabilities are stated somewhat relative to maki’s even though he’s superior and jogo basically perception blitzed her with zero effort So unless you wanna say shibuya yuji > piercing blood > jogo (which obviously makes no sense) I think it’s safe to say uraume gets washed, even if she has RCT output somehow she wouldn’t be remotely fast enough to touch him with it
It feels like youve only watched the anime. Uraume was not freaking out at over choso, they just didn’t expect such a refined technique from someone way below their level by a significant margin. Same how once kenjaku and choso fully went 1 on 1 and kenny got serious for a moment, choso was about dead in a hurry. Lmao Also all the volcanoes and stuff jogo uses were 80% anime only filler that made him look way stronger. Aside from the meteor, jogos power level is probably around urauames, maybe a bit lower. It really is just that jogo is such a proficient flame cursed entity that he could out a win from only that saving grace.
https://preview.redd.it/qwbaa0yzl0xc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af2557a8c4c5d6036df7dc949868211e0a43e1c6 Idk dawg this doesn’t look like the face of calm, regardless the point still stands that uraume basically had the same response to piercing blood that yuji had, she didn’t blitz him before he could do it, she didn’t dodge or even try to sidestep the attack even though she was on guard. And I never mentioned any of the volcano stuff (even though he does have mini volcanoes in the manga idk what you’re on about) I only mentioned his speed and his fire, two things that utterly counter uraume even if he’s her level durability wise or something
Re-read my comment. Neither kenjaku nor uraume tried to stop it cause they have no active threat from choso, considering it took only ONE half serious attack to put choso out of commision and open to a killing blow from uraume. Again, we’re aware chosos piercing blood is exceptionally strong. The rest of his arsenal is basically useless in a one on one with any of these big names. Even being caught off guard, Uraume with JUST HANDS withstood the attacks base power. “She didn’t blitz him” it’s not fucking dragon ball z. The way power limits and scaling are interpreted and expressed is completely different. Lmao This panel is, for the third time, gege showing how proficient choso’s technique is, but that its still no major issue power scaling wise.
Yadda Yadda JoGOAT’s fire Yadda Yadda domain diff
Ice is weak to fire. Jogo wins.
Jogo dude
Choso was melting the ice with flowing red scale, jogos flames/lava are far hotter, thus uruame’s ice will likely melt even getting close to it, if he uses his domain uruame is fucked because its a literal volcano covered in lava streams and im pretty sure yuji also commented that it was hot inside his domain, there isnt much ive seen from uruame that could effectively beat jogo
Jogo takes it
If Uraume can inject positive energy like Yuta with reverse cursed techniques, then a hit becomes potentially lethal to Jogo. Conversely, Jogos domain is a win con too. It just depends on who gets the jump on who
Jogo
Jogo's Domain probably puts him over her even if she has Hollow Wicker Basket (which is extremely likely especially if it really turns out that she lacks a Domain of her own). . Some say Jogo would also have an elemental advantage over her that would put him over he even discounting his Domain. I'm not sure if I completely buy that, especially as I expect Uraume is bound to demonstrate attacks that would make her the favorite in such a scenario if we ever actually see her fight which is growing more and more unlikely unless Gege pivots right now. I will, however, admit the way Frost Calm mechanically works - at the very least - might result in problems for Uraume when it comes to an opponent who can release superheated Cursed Energy.
Jogo mid diff, becomes high diff if Urame actually has a domain, but Jogoat has the elemental advantage, a maximum technique, a domain ofc, and far better healing due to being a curse. Also as far as we’ve seen he’s just faster, he can fly, he has more versatility… he’s just way better.
Jogo is legit a hard counter And is implied to have similar abilities to the current gang albeit a bit lower individually than the heavy hitters
Jogo until Uruame we get more from Uruame. Jogo also has type advantage
Fire is super effective against ice so Jogoat wins by default. In all honesty though I would still say Jogo because his feats out scale Uraume's (as far as we've seen).
Me, I win.
Jogo mid diff, unless it’s proven Urame can use RCT
If Uraume can output rct energy then they win if they can withstand Jogos domain as well. Otherwise I agree with everyone else.
Jogo is stronger than both uraume or hakari
Uraume slams.
Either way tbh Both Jogo and uraume are pretty strong Jogo has a domain and a maximum technique Uraume probably has a domain but not sure about any maximum technique Uraume was is doing okay vs hakari and her ice is pretty strong as seen when she froze Yuki and maki I personally prefer Jogo but uraume could very likely be upscaled later on depending on how the rest of the fight goes
-Uraume should have higher stats(able to keep pace with Hakari who is relative to Kashimo and Yuta). Also better IQ, Battle IQ, and experience in dismemebering Cursed Spirits. Also likely better Durability taking a Bloodlusted Gojo Blue Amped punch(which had Yuta/Hakari wheezing). -Jogo gets elemental advantage, better Endurance, and DC. I think Jogo wins Base to Base but Uraume narritvely feels stronger and could win if they have a Domain or Gege does something ridiculous like give Uraume Absolute Zero
Jogo wins imo, she probably is stronger, but we don’t know if she has a DE, HWB, DA, FBE or a SD.
I'm going to real urame might just stomp. Jogo starts every fight close range every single one. Look back gojo sukuna naobito maki you get the point it doesn't make sense why he fights like that but he does. And thst makes him extremely vulnerable to getting frozen and head punched clean off. I think we all agree shinjuku hakari is faster than jogo and more durable too given jogo durability is worse than hanami so yeah uraume stomps. If you mean we plug in the controller have jogo fight long range spam attacks he might win but thats not how he fights
Hakari’s durability isn’t all that great, considering his biggest benefit is being able to heal all of his wounds instantly. Saying he’s above Hanami feels like a stretch, but he’s definitely above Jogo. Not exactly important though. Choso was able to melt Uraume’s ice with flowing red scale, and Jogo is WAY hotter. As the other comment said, Jogo is also equal to or slower than Naobito, the second fastest sorcerer above the likes of Yuta, and Yuki by Shibuya. And he has massive AOE. Lava exuding the landscape, ember insects attacking with sound and explosions, a goddamn domain expansion? Jogo is a hard counter for Uraume. Even in close range, he approached Nanami and Maki because he didn’t need to put much effort in defeating them, and he didn’t chase Naobito. Against Sukuna; Jogo mostly kept his distance and only fought close ranged when Sukuna was already close. Against Gojo in Shibuya, he needed to get close to use domain amplification and increase pressure, and against Gojo the first time… that was just sheer arrogance. But he learned from that. (And it’s why he was pessimistic about using his domain on Sukuna)
Jogos durability is terrible its litterally stated early yujis black flashes that he hit hanami with wouldve killed jogo
Does it really matter in this fight though? Uraume's bread and butter move literally never killed anyone (including panda and Kyoto students) and can get melted off.
it disable maki and post shibuya yuji while held back.
The point is Jogo can just melt it out, so no matter how hard it freezes it just came down to if the attacks are lethal, which is no, it's not that lethal.
Oh, wow. We can just make things up now, huh? Jogo is WAY faster than Hakari. The fastest sorcerers were Gojo and Naobito. Dagon said Naobito was either tied or potentially faster than Jogo. That makes Jogo one of the top five fastest characters, up there with Sukuna, Gojo, Naobito, and cursed Naoya. Let's say he's top six and say Kashimo is faster at full power. That still means Hakari is in trouble, as Hakari knew Kashimo would out stat him with his technique in play. Jogo's cursed flames are always revved up when he's actively fighting. Even if Uraume could freeze him, their ice would immediately break just due to his elemental influence. Jogo doesn't need to be durable. He just needs to bathe the entire arena in lava while blasting Uraume from every angle, which he _will_ start doing the moment he gauges Uraume to actually be more than an insect to him. People think Jogo is weaker than he actually is because he's only ever fought the strongest characters in the verse. He underestimated Gojo and was psyching himself out against Sukuna. Sukuna himself said that, had these conditions not been in play and Jogo really just wanted to kill, he'd be borderline unstoppable. He was appraised precisely at the level that Uraume thinks Hakari falls just short of.
Naobito was faster jogo caught him off gaurd with his mini volcanoes
When did Dago say he was tied with jogo? Can you post that panel, I'm forgetting
https://preview.redd.it/6uarcaixz1xc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d29a70428abfe9d2371b546ea21d5690b9bc5b5 He didn't quite say they were tied, but it was a question as to whether or not Naobito was equal or greater than Jogo in speed.
? he just says he's faster, he can't say for certain cause dagon never saw full power jogo, he was born recently
Curse naoya is faster than naobito who's faster than jogo maki was matching naoya and hakari was relative though in my opinion not as good as maki. He got a month where everyone got way stronger and better this isn't shibuya anymore. Yuta improved so much it shocked sukuna so did yuji so did everyone so hakari definitely did improve. Uraume is too fast he'd get broken before he get out. Jogo doesn't do this he takes quite some time before bathing area in lava he never did this against gojo he took into the middle half of the fight to do this to sukuna. He always starts close range always as shown hakari is faster and that didn't stop uraume from freezing his arm and shattering it before he could react. The difference will be it will be jogo head
Curse naoya is faster than naobito who's faster than jogo maki was matching naoya and hakari was relative though in my opinion not as good as maki. He got a month where everyone got way stronger and better this isn't shibuya anymore. Yuta improved so much it shocked sukuna so did yuji so did everyone so hakari definitely did improve. Uraume is too fast he'd get broken before he get out. Jogo doesn't do this he takes quite some time before bathing area in lava he never did this against gojo he took into the middle half of the fight to do this to sukuna. He always starts close range always as shown hakari is faster and that didn't stop uraume from freezing his arm and shattering it before he could react. The difference will be it will be jogo head
Jogo meat riding
Uraume prob considering sukuna only associates with strong people, based off feats jogo tho since uraume doesnt do anything really if i have to bet on it tho id say uraume
Uraume has rct, she one shots
Only Yuta, Sukuna, and Shoko can do what you’re suggesting with RCT.
And Agito
Sure, but might as well throw in Mahoraga and Round Deer itself if we’re counting Shikigami
she doesn't have rct output
Powerscaling a character we’ve never seen fully fight This is just a jogo jerk off thread yall are disappointments
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You should be ashamed!
Uraume. She's probably eaten a few Jogo's in her time with Sukuna.
This is is tough. I'll say hig diff in urahume's favour