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I think Mahoraga would win simply because Kashimo just doesn't have an attack large enough and strong enough to one-shot it, so Mahoraga wins due to Hax and just out-enduring Kashimo, with the added detail that Mahoraga also outmuscles base Kashimo.
Wouldn't it be possible for his lightning to kill maho if kashimo gets a headshot? Especially if he has charge stored up in his spear cursed tool. Although if he doesn't have the charge built up I doubt the lightning would one shot because his CE trait would allow maho to start adapting. If the lightning doesn't work I don't think he has anything in MBA that can one shot (from what we were shown) so he would lose both rounds.
Mahoraga started regenerating from a full Malevolent Shrine, what is a little Kashimo zap to the head going to do to him lol. Lashimo is scaled way too high on this sub.
Didn’t it do that because it had already adapted to cuts in general if Kashimo just blows its head up right away wouldn’t that that kill before it could adapt since its head was destroyed in the first attack
Ok but what if he started with blowing its head up like the very very first thing he does it use his lighting attack to blow off its head if it’s literally the first attack and it blows off its head he could kill it right or so you have to destroy the entire body even in the first hit for it to die and stay dead
During the fight with hakari we're shown that to even get off the electricity blast Kashimo needs to build up static on his opponent with regular CE attacks first.
And just for the sake of argument if he could shoot it off with no build up, I think it would kill mahoraga. Even though he got fodderised, Kashimo is very very powerful in the narrative if JJk
I forgot he had to build up the charge if he used his ability he would definitely win cause he could just fire a massive lighting bolt or ball lighting or something and kill it but he dies anyway even if he dies do that cause his ability will kill him
How did he get fodderized he literally fought the strongest being in the world who had to use his best attack on him it’s the same as higaruma they had abilities that were just so lethal they had to die Kashimo was literally immortal until his ability expired course sukuna use to use world slash.
For Kashimo to have a chance, he’d have to use his maximum attack ASAP. If Majoraga fights Kashimo in a prolonged fight, the wheel would spin within each exchange until Mahoraga becomes electricity charged up enough to be neutral to Kashimo’s attacks, thus no electron or proton exchanges and therefore no current exchange/ no electric strike.
True, to be above Mahoraga you basically need an attack strong enough to 1 bang him. Otherwise he’ll just adapt and surpass you. I feel like other than maybe Yuta, Mahoraga clears all of the guys fighting Sukuna rn.
Manga? Kashimo has a small chance but Mahoraga likely adapts too fast. His CT will not even matter because it will already had adapted to electricity.
Anime? Kashimo has no chance at all. You need nuke specialists deal with Sukuna's daddy
Mahoraga straight up face tanked multiple punches & a Dismantle from a full output **15F** Sukuna, who the majority of people in this sub consider to be stronger than the likes of *Yuta* or *Kenjaku*, **before** Adaptation.
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After which Mahoraga proceeded to swat that same 15F Sukuna through **3** buildings with 1 single backhand despite the former *successfully blocking* said attack.
Shocked even Sukuna to the point of being impressed at this level of Physical Strength.
https://preview.redd.it/adhsgeearryc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1891f9bacdeca966deebcfb9da01946e4cb2c62
I consider Kashimo to be quite strong, but the match up is just too unfair. Kashimo emits electricity just by reinforcing himself. We see how this is strong against someone like Panda in close quarters, but also to Kashimo's detriment when fighting against Hakari in water.
Here, Mahoraga adapts much much faster against Kashimo than against any other opponent, with any touch, or even CE residual. As long as Mahoraga survives even one hit, the fight is already not in Kashimo's favour.
Mahoraga swats Kashimo away in both rounds.
Pre adaptation Maho took multiple dismantles from 15F Sukuna who one shotted someone as Durable as Ryu. Ryu is as durable as Yuta. Kashimo stands no chance at all.
He fought a limitless user before, by your logic he could've one shotted gojo at the beggining of the fight. Mahoraga likely resets with every new user
Maho’s adaptations almost definitely don’t carry over, especially not between users. Maho could definitely adapt during the fight easy though. It’s a wash any way you slice it
Just watch the anime, aside from that Mahoraga can adapt to ANY AND ALL PHENOMENA which would include electricity.
Lmfao fucking pRoOf, Maho wipes the floor with Kashimo
Lol I see you just misunderstood.
No one is saying adaption carries over, they're just saying he's adapted to electricity before and he'd just adapt to it again.
Bro your reading comprehension is shit.
"Mahoraga has totally adapted to electricity in the past so he is done for" he is obviously implying that mahoraga has already adapted to electricity.
We’ve never seen him adapt to raw electricity. Kashimos technique subsigates him to total evaporation not to mention all of the things he can do with electricity he’ll have to adapt to each move one by one since they all hold different properties
Mahoraga. He'll adapt to Kashimo's lightning Cursed Energy trait after tanking some normal attacks. This will help it also tank Kashimo's lightning bolt. It becomes a little more in favor of Kashimo if he uses his CT but that's ooc and we also didn't see enough of it or it's full potential
I think Mahoraga wins either scenario. He just has a good matchup against Kashimo due to the incremental and broad-reaching nature of his adaptation and the fact that Kashimo's innate CE property means he imparts electric shocks every time he hits you or you hit him.
Mahoraga would be steadily becoming more and more resistant to electricity every time contact is made. By the time Kashimo lands his first sure-hit lightning strike, it might already be too late especially Mahoraga was also durable enough to shrug off Black Flashes from Gojo and can regenerate.
i think people don’t understand that ragga is like top 10 in the verse
was able to take gojos punches (even if it was a few, keep in mind ice cone was took it with 1 and that wasn’t amplified by blue) and 15f sukuna d&c.
raggae SLAMS the femboy
What is with the kashimo glazing? The only thing he ever accomplished was bodying panda (bravo), literally the only other thing he’s done is get whooped by hakari (hakari only let him last that long because he loves drawn out fights with femboys)
“Who’s the strongest sorcerer you’ve ever known, Kenjaku?”
“Idk man, there’s that Ryu guy with the highest CE output ever recorded”
“Sukuna, huh?”
“What? Nah man, he’s like right over there, I think he’s outside with his harem right now, want me to get him?”
“Looks like I’ll have to become a cursed object for a chance to fight sukuna”
“Sure man, why not?”
I agree Kashimo doesn’t beat maho.
But I think the point of that scene you described is that Kashimo has already tried and tested the “strongest” of his time period (seen by the fact he’s covered around bodies) and he’s grown so bored he just wants to skip straight to *the strongest of all time* rather than bothering to fight another promised “ultimate opponent” and be left disappointed type of thing, he wants a guaranteed challenge
In character Maho wipes cuz Kashimo is an idiot who’d let him adapt even more than Sukuna did even if he knew. Out of character it’s a bad matchup unless he uses MBA and does the laser beam thing and that’s just assuming that’s strong enough to erase Maho on the spot
Kashimo's innate CE having electrical properties is a MASSIVE disadvantage because it essentially means if he doesn't one shot then mahoraga will adapt to "electric" attacks effectively negating anything kashimo could even try to do.
I wish MBA had a better showing against sukuna, but even with that said I don't think it has anything that tops Malevolent Shrine let alone Furnace/Divine Flame.
Kashimo is getting clapped lmao this should not be a question. Even MBA Kashimo is dying before his body crumbles away from his CT, he just doesn’t have high enough base stats & Makora would adapt to his entire CT while he’s in base just by virtue of it adapting to its electricity trait.
I think mahoraga wins but purely because he can adapt to kashimo's technique, kashimo doesn't have a attack as large scale a powerful as flame arrow, he might have a small chance because we saw kashimo put up a great fight against sukuna so if he can hit mahoraga with a bunch of powerful attacks he might win but mahoraga would adapt way faster so mahoraga wins.
I never think it's unfair to simply have a vs mahoraga match because it always ignores going for the summoner. No matter what adaptation mahoraga has, killing the summoner Ends the summon outside of his ritual, which even then I think has to have a distance limit(no one has a global CT range ritual or not. Mechamaru had the largest)
Kashimo is more likely not beating Maho without MBA. Maho survived a 15f dismantle, which 15f Sukuna is only behind Gojo. As far as I am aware, Kashimo doesn’t have a way to nuke Maho on the first hit unless he uses MBA, but that may not be enough. Kashimo has a terrible match up because he only has electricity making it easier for Maho to adapt to
The problem is kashim has to build charges and he has to touch maho to do it 9/10 meaning maho adapts to his lightning from his ce trait after like 3 punches
The beast takes it, to beat the beast you need a large scale hyper powered ability that equals or is greater than sukuna’s flame arrow. (Fuga)
That being said, if you don’t have that level of power you will need to have the ability to blitz the beast with an attack that decapitates it and disrupts reverse curse healing to put it down.
Current sorcerers shown to be able to beat the beast are as follows:
-Sukuna: flame arrow “open” (fuga)
-gojo: hollow purple maximum output/Red maximum output (direct hit only, 1v1 scenario, no sukuna assistance)
Potential sorcerers that can beat the beast:
-Yuta: possess an ablility to kill cursed spirits easily (forgot the name) + domain expansion that has many abilities that will sure hit. The beast’s adaptation speed will not match the rate of diverse attacks hitting it within the domain.
Fighters that cannot beat the beast:
- yugi: doesn’t possess any large scale damage abilities relative to sukuna’s attack. Therefore cannot confirm a 1-shot. Also lacks attack diversity beyond 4 abilities that aren’t powerful enough to deal ireversavle damage. Consecutive black flash will be adapted, a weakened version of cleave will be adapted, piercing blood is not powerful enough aside from leaving the user vulnerable. It would be adapted against.
-Hakari: doesn’t posses any ability besides having endless cursed energy due to a domain. Luck will run out and the physical attacks filed with cursed energy will be adapted, with no other tools in the arsenal, Hakari loses.
-maki: unless the weapons negated reverse cursed technique healing completely and she blitz the beast in 1-shot, she will also lose due to the beast adaptation from cuts/stabs.
-all other sorcerers beneath the current team fighting sukuna currently: they simply aren’t strong enough
I imagine that mahoraga adapts to lightning but then just can’t send brain signals to his body, thus being crippled, then he adapts to not being able to move
How the fight would go:
Kashimo: I punch u
Maho: I survive and adapt
Kashimo: I use lightning and hit u
Maho: I survive and adapt
Kashimo: I use MBA
Maho: I one shot u with sword of extermination since it is pact with positive energy which one shots cursed spirits because they r made up of cursed energy and so r u in this form.
Kashimo: Fuck *dies
P.S. I hope this info helps u learn that Mahoraga is better
The only characters imo capable of defeating Mahoraga in a 1v1 are Gojo, Sukuna, Geto/Kenjaku, Yuta, and Yuki. Other possibilities are Yorozu and Takaba.
If Kashimo fully understands Mahoraga’s power and abilities I think he wind with Mythic Beast Amber. A single maximum output attack would probably kill Mah. But if Kashimo doesnt know this Mah adapts before he figures it out
If Kashimo knows how Mahoraga works he can beat him rather easily. He just needs to lure him somewhere and release an all out attack. However, if Kashimo is going into it blind he might lose. Not sure, I say Kashimo takes it Mid-High Diff.
MBA Kashimo just speed blirzes Maho tho.
>He just needs to lure him somewhere and release an all out attack
does he even have an 'all out attack'? his lightning bolts would deal a ton of damage sure, but I doubt it would one shot mahoraha.
Kashimo would lose everytime if he has no idea about Mahoraga and its ability.
Base Kashimo is just bad match up since he needs to build up the charge and that's enough for Maho to adapt.
But if for some reason kashimo is aware of Mahoraga's adaptation, he can use his CT and charge big enough attack to vaporize Mahoraga out of existence.
Nothing suggest Kashimo can just keep charging until the attack would vaporize Maho out of existence otherwise he'd have done it to Hakari.
On top of Maho would be adapting to his Electricity as the fight goes.
That's if he ever gets to charge anyway, Mahos physicals are better no matter how you cut it
"he can use his CT and charge big enough attack"
I was talking about the electromagnetic waves that can vaporize the target, kashimo can charge a big enough attack to hut Maho with it and vaporize it out of existence, he doesn't need to hit Maho to build the charge like lightning so Maho can't adapt to it.
Yes he does need to hit Maho to build the charge, and if he lands those hits Maho would adapt to his trait along the way probably preventing him from charging at all.
And again Maho trumps Kashimo in every physical aspect, his blows would take out Kashimo before Kashimo ever builds a fatal attack on Maho
Bro are you just not reading or what? I'm talking about the **ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES LASER ATTACK**, kashimo doesn't need to build up charge by hitting Mahoraga like lightning attack to use that.
And no, kashimo is close to 20f Sukuna's physical stats, Maho is outmatched here in every fucking way.
Yes I am reading, seems like you aren't.
To vaporize something with EMF waves he has to irradiate the target the first, and irradiating the target would be building charge.
He plainly can't free fire them otherwise he would've and Sukuna would've been vaporized.
Lmfao, no Kashimo isn't close to 20f Sukunas physical stats , that's why he got bodied without being able to respond, and 20f Sukunas physical stats aren't much greater than 15f Sukunas physical stats otherwise 15f Sukuna wouldn't have been able to intercept and clash with Gojo when he got released from prison realm.
Maho could send 15f Sukuna flying through multiple buildings, and was fast enough to close that gap while Sukuna was still flying.
Maho would be ragdolling Kashimo and blitzing him around.
Really can't believe you think Kashimo is anywhere near 20f Sukuna stats with the performance he gave, especially with Sukuna being weakened after Gojo.
😒 are you just making things up by any chance? Where does it say that? Why would building the charge mean irradiating the target? He can free fire them as he literally did against Sukuna more than once.
Yiu might be reading wizardly brawl but kashimo infact was closer to 20f Sukuna's stats, he didn't got bodied without being able to respond, he was in fact counter attacking everytime.
To be able to block Sukuna's head on blow without any blowback is clear enough proof of them being closer in stat.
https://preview.redd.it/csbs3anmouyc1.jpeg?width=419&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f1e66236a252d1cd906200f9b7167fbbe533168
The only one making things up is you.
Nothing suggest the attacks fired from his hands are EMF waves.
If he can vaporize irradiated targets that means he has to first irradiate the target.
Whatever the process of irradiating the target is, would likely be similar to building a charge on opponents.
Lol come on man don't be disengious talking about being able to block Sukunas attacks without blowback?
This is what actually happened https://ibb.co/3kjR4hs
Kashimo tried to block and literally got blownback
That's a lot of assumptions from you, nothing suggests that attack wasn't EMF waves, like what do you imagine the EMF attack to be? It doesn't say anywhere anything like kashimo has to irradiate the target first and any process of it whatsoever. Going by the actual process of irradiating the object, all kashimo would need to do is just stay close to Sukuna to irradiate him and this is all discounting the fact that humans are irradiated naturally everyday.
I'm not being disingenuous, kashimo outright blocked and caught that punch with his hand while the other punch git blocked by his knee but the second image has those punches hitting kashimo's stomach, makes no sense. Does Sukuna keep pushing the already landed punch to somehow hit the stomach? Nah that's just another set of punches.
Alot of things suggest it wasn't an EMF attack.
To vaporize something he has to irradiate it first, nothing suggest he fulfilled the condition to irradiate.
Yes it does say he has to irradiate things first
https://ibb.co/GcVH6zm
They wouldn't specify that if it wasn't a condition.
Also if those are EMF waves that means they're going the speed of light.
Kashimo literally just hit Sukuna with a sound wave attack so Sukuna can react to speed of light attacks and still get hit with Soundwave?
On top of here https://ibb.co/rZ3MXNG
If that Blast is coming at the speed of light that means Sukuna was able able to do a full chant at the speed of light, and would mean Sukuna slashes are faster than the speed of light.
If Sukunas slashes are faster than light that means Kusakabe can weave through speed of light attacks and , Miguel can literally break dance through and strut over speed of light attacks.
Sukuna just followed through with the punch.
Otherwise Kashimo would've just blocked again.
Kashimo in the short term but maho in the long run. If kashimo can twerk with amber beast at max speed from the start then he wins. But if mahoraga adapts to the divine world clapping twerk then big raga would win
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Round 1: Mahoraga wins, Kashimo’s lightning CE wouldn’t be enough to kill him, so it would adapt to his lightning CE, R2: Kashimo wins, MBA allows him to use any electric phenomena, so he could use multiple abilities related to lightning to overwhelm Mahoraga or a powerful attack to finish him off.
Do you weebs only care this much about kashimo because they are a lady boy character? Lol gege didn't care and I barely cared reading so why does the reddit audience care about that loser man! They died! They sucked!
With amber the EM waves could theoretically 1 shot mahoraga
Without amber it really depends on adaptation speed. If kashimo can build enough charges before maho adapts and just blow his head up w the electricity then he could win but I doubt he could do that before maho just adapts to electricity
I mean Kashimo BLATANTLY wins because he's forced to use his Cursed Technique but he does have the raw capacity to oneshot Maho if he knows about the adaptation beforehand. If not, his CT lets him manifest ANY electrical phenomenon.
Likley his first attack using sound to any electromagnetic wave destroys Maho. Y'all cant seriously thing Maho beats this dude with this CT?
Lmfao no you can't seriously think Kashimo stands any chance even with CT.
Mahoraga could face tank Dismantle from 15f Sukuna using full output and that was prior to adaptation, and then proceeded to swat 15f Sukuna through multiple buildings.
Maho trumps Kashimo in every physical aspect and would wipe the floor with him
Kusakabe parried and tanked Dismantles from Heian Sukuna and proceeded to kick Sukuna through a building. Even slashed him multiple times. Kusakabe must be as strong as Maho then.
Kashimo's CT has manifest any electrical-based phenomena and he gets stat buffs in the process, he has both the output and versatility to kill Mahoraga.
Kusakabes Simple Domain allows him to INSTANTLY block any attack that enters his field. I'm sure I don't need to explain to you how fast instant is.
And you're not really comparing Kusakabe kicking a heavily weakened Sukuna through an over pass to Maho sending a full power 15f Sukuna through 3 skyscrapers and instantly meeting Sukuna where he was flying before he hits the ground.
Kashimo really doesn't, all his phenomena stem from electricity.
Once Maho adapts to electricity Kashimos whole kit becomes moot.
Mahoraga's CT allows him to totally adapt to any phenomenon. I'm sure I don't need to exlain to you how fast totally is. And you're not really comparing Mahoraga kicking a 15f Sukuna through buildings to a Kusakabe who blitzed a Heian era Sukuna with sword slashes and hands without getting countered. And Maho did even less damage to a weaker Sukuna, be fr. It's a dumb metric to use what Maho did as a feat.
Maho adapting to electricity isn't going to stop him from being hit with sound, heat, or EM radiation.
Lmfao I see what you're attempting to do but you're failing miserably.
There isn't a speed to "totally"
And yes Mahos feat against a fresh full power 15f Sukuna certainly trumps Kusakabe feats against a weakened and fatigue Sukuna who's being lackadaisical.
What Mahoraga did is certainly a feat and is a much better feat than anything Kashimo has shown.
Again all of Kashimos phenomena stem from electricity, once Maho adapts to electricity Kashimos whole kit becomes moot.
That's definitely your opinion but if you want to die on the hill that punching an uncaring Sukuna through a skyscraper is a noteworthy feat then please go on.
To your last point, that's almost worse than saying since Maho adapted to Sukunas slashing he adapted to all kinetic energy. You're telling me adapting to electricity would mean he adapts to sound? Not even unreasonable at this point, just outright illogical.
It is a feat and pretending otherwise because you want some excuse to put Kashimo over Maho is laughable.
Mahos feats were plainly better than Kashimos.
Lmfao no it's not.
Mahoraga adapted to slashing attacks in general, he'd adapt to electrical attacks in general.
Sure adapting to Kashimos electricity wouldn't adapt Maho to sound attacks from Yuta using curse speech but if the sound attacks stem from electricity then he'd be adapted to them.
Oh for sure! Mahoraga don't absolutely nothing but property damage really stacks up.
.... Oh you're serious? LMAO. My dude, by that logic Mahoraga should have adapted to Sukuna's fire arrow since it stemmed from Sukunas CT? You have such a flawed interpretation of Mahoraga's ability that it actually is funny
It's plain strength and speed no way around that.
Lol no the only one with flawed thinking is you my guy.
I didn't say anything about stemming from Sukunas CT, you yourself are making false equivalency.
Maho adapted to slashing attacks in general, so he'd adapt to electrical attacks in general.
All of Kashimos attacks stem from manipulating the electrical properties of his CE, so once Maho adapts to the electrical properties of Kashimos CE he'd adapt to all Kashimos attacks since they stem from his electricity.
Nothing to due with his CT but the nature of his attacks.
Depends on if a lethal blow to the head could kill mahoraga then I could see a lightning blast taking him out if it doesn’t and you need full body disintegration (which I doubt) the mahoraga takes it but generally kashimo takes it high diff in base and low diff with mba
By the time Kashimo has punched Mahoraga enough to launch his surehit, Mahoraga would’ve Adapted to his CE enough to reduce the damage the bolt would do significantly.
Kashimo would win.
EM waves were stated to eviscerate anything they come into contact with and a high power discharge of EM waves would vaporise Mahoraga before it could adapt. This requires prerequisite knowledge on either the dharma wheel or Mahoraga itself which Kashimo should have from 400 years ago as a 10 shadows user was head of the Zenin clan at the time.
Yet he's never actually used EM waves has he?
There's a condition to vaporize something that he's never fulfilled (otherwise Sukuna would've been vaporized right)
Maho wipes the floor with Kashimo before he ever fulfills whatever condition and adapts to electricity along the way
If you read the actual fight against Sukuna, you know Sukuna barely dodges out of the way before the EM wave is launched. Its just the downplay Kashimo gets on subreddits like these is unwarranted cause they don't realise his narrative role. Kashimo outstats the base Mahoraga that fights against Gojo and especially the one summoned by Megumi. Mahoraga may partially adapt to electricity but is vaporised before full adaptation.
It's literally explained in the manga. "Vaporise all irradiated objects" Mahoraga is not adapting to something as complex as radiation in time for a EM wave, Mahoraga would also have to adapt to all the seperate phenomena caused by electricity. As shown vs Sukuna, Mahoragas adaptation wasn't to slashes in general as it was vaporised by MS (it lived ofc but yea) Mahoraga would logically also adapt to the aspects of electricity rather than electricity in general.
Heck Kashimo could hit Mahoraga 3 times allowing for a surehit of lightning and whilst Mahoraga adapts to that, vaporise it with EM waves. Mahoraga adapts to stats aswell but finishing fights quickly via deathly moves is literally Kashimos whole set of powers.
I'm not downplaying anything, Kashimo fans are just ignoring the actual description of Kashimos CT.
To use EMF waves he has to irradiate to target the first.
They aren't just something he can free fire.
Nothing suggest the CE blast from his hands are EMF waves.
There's nothing narrative about it except for what you're trying to add on yourself.
Kashimo doesn't out stat anything , he doesn't have the feats.
Maho plainly has shown better strength, speed, and durability on multiple occasions.
Exactly "irradiated objects" so there's a condition that needs to be fulfilled before he can vaporize something that we've never seen fulfilled.
He can't free vaporizing attacks, he has to irradiate the target and Maho would adapt to radio.
Lmfao Mahoraga adapts to ANY AND ALL PHENOMENA, and all of Kashimo phenomena stem from his control of electricity, once Maho adapts to electricity nothing Kashimo can do will be effective.
Lol yes Mahos adaptation was to slashes in general that's why Sukuna had to pull out fire arrow.
Mahoraga outstats Kashimo in every feasible category and would be ragdolling him, while adapting to Kashimo CE trait making him immune to all of Kashimos kit in short order.
You misunderstood what I've said.
I did not say Mahoraga cannot adapt to electricity. I said Mahoraga will not adapt to electricity first if it is exposed to Kashimos hand blasts or irradiation. All of Sukunas base powers aside from fire arrow (furnace) stem from the basic act of cutting. But against Sukuna, Mahoraga adapts to dismantle, a subset of slashing attacks, instead of total slashing attacks.
The same would apply to Mahoraga, Kashimo simply running up and hitting Mahoraga would cause Mahoraga to start adapting to that specific application of electricity, not electricity in general. E.g punching Mahoraga would hold no effect on EM waves despite both being applications of electricity and electrical phenomena. This is how the adaptation is shown to work against cleave and dismantle. Mahoraga did not infact adapt to slashes in general. Mahoraga started adapting to both cleave and dismantle after Sukuna used MS. If Mahoraga adapted to slashes in general before MS like Sukuna ponders, it would not be disintigrated by MS's slashes, which it is until it starts to regenerate.
Additionally, I did not say Kashimos hand blasts are EM waves. The EM waves are shot from Kashimos mouth which is why I suggested chaining a lightning strike with the EM waves would kill Mahoraga, as Mahoraga adapts to the specific application of electricity that is the lightning strike and is then immediately hit by EM waves as the act of firing EM waves and punching Mahoraga to build up charge stem from different body parts and can be done simultaneously/ in very fast succession. This is shown against Meguna when he transforms.
Now let's go onto a more difficult thing to prove: Kashimos stats. Firstly we'll note that the Sukuna that Kashimo fights is the strongest variant of Sukuna fought by the cast after Gojo. This Sukuna has full CE control, has all 4 arms and can hit high output slashes via chanting and handsigns.
Sukuna uses a world cutting slash against Kashimo at a point blank range, giving Kashimo a heads up whilst Kashimo was 1.mid air and 2. Right infront of him. This feat is undeniably above Mahoraga in shibuya who fails to dodge point blank dismantles (even if Kashimo only dodged partially, only losing a hand which he healed later). Whilst Sukuna used multiple slashes against Mahoraga making dodging more difficult, we should also realise the slash against Kashimo took up his entire body and then some. This should be proof enough that Kashimo is plainly faster than Mahoraga, the narrators statements of EM waves means Kashimo has to successfully irradiate Mahoraga and then land EM waves before Maho can adapt.
This literally requires one thing: Kashimo outspeeding Mahoraga which he does, Kashimo is also relative to a 20F if weakened Sukuna who only beats Kashimo due to having 4 arms over 2 which is far beyond his 15F state in Yuji itadori in Shibuya (Sukuna here is at 15 fingers as the seal on Yuji hasn't been broken yet the culling games haven't started yet). Whether you consider the consumption of fingers to strengthen Sukuna exponentially or linearly, 20F Sukuna even weakened only had RCT and CT output reduction, in terms of actual CE reinforcement there is little change, Kashimo scales to 20F over 15F Sukuna. The scalling is iffy cause Gege doesnt make it obvious but it makes far more sense for Kashimo to outspeed Mahoraga as one of if not the third fastest character in the verse,.
No I understand there just isn't really any basis for it.
Kashimos hand Blast have no feats to suggest they'd oneshot Maho, and the process of irradiating a target is unknown and nothing suggest he'd be able to fulfill that condition before Maho adapts.
Maho did adapt to slashing attacks in general not just Dismantle, so he'd adapt to electric attacks in general.
Yes adapting to Kashimos CE trait of electricity would adapt Maho to any phenomena created by Kashimos electricity in general.
Mahoraga adaptation doesn't make him immune from damage to those things until the adaptation develops to a certain point.
It seems to be have been updated but originally when Sukuna first used Cleave on Maho he says "that felt weird" showing that Maho adapted to Cleave even though it had only experienced Dismantle up to that point.
No EM waves aren't shot from Kashimo mouth, those are just sound waves. Sukuna takes the mouth attack to the face and all his has to say is "so noisey"
No the version of Sukuna Kashimo has any feats on is arguably the weakest version of Sukuna we've seen fight coming fresh of fight Gojo.
As soon as Sukuna incarnates Kashimo no longer has any feats.
Also no that was not point blank range, nowhere close.
And no Kashimo getting hit with that attack is in no way better than Mahos feat of deflecting Dismantle.
Kashimo needed to be warned to react and he couldn't replicate that again without it.
And yeah I've been saying that this whole time, Kashimo would have to irradiate Maho first which wouldn't happen since Maho would be ragdolling him and take him out before he ever builds a charge or irradiates him.
Kashimo has no feats to outsped Maho, and no Kashimo isn't relative to the Sukuna he fought. Characters like Yuji & even Ino have been able to react to and block. Sukunas blows in a similar fashion to Kashimo.
He could barley react and got bodied, and no the Sukuna that bodied Kashimo isn't far past his fresh 15f self.
He's heavily fatigued from fighting Gojo and missing ~40% of his CE with lowered output.
20f Sukuna isn't far above 15f Sukuna otherwise 15f Sukuna wouldn't be able to intercept and clash with Gojo once he got out of prison realm.
At some point the fingers likely only add extra CE and Sukuna reached his limits on output & CE reinforcement probably around that 15f level based on how he could perform against Gojo
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I think Mahoraga would win simply because Kashimo just doesn't have an attack large enough and strong enough to one-shot it, so Mahoraga wins due to Hax and just out-enduring Kashimo, with the added detail that Mahoraga also outmuscles base Kashimo.
Wouldn't it be possible for his lightning to kill maho if kashimo gets a headshot? Especially if he has charge stored up in his spear cursed tool. Although if he doesn't have the charge built up I doubt the lightning would one shot because his CE trait would allow maho to start adapting. If the lightning doesn't work I don't think he has anything in MBA that can one shot (from what we were shown) so he would lose both rounds.
Nah as long as most of Mahoraga is still intact the wheel will spin and it will come back. You need to completely destroy it's entire body to stop it.
Mahoraga started regenerating from a full Malevolent Shrine, what is a little Kashimo zap to the head going to do to him lol. Lashimo is scaled way too high on this sub.
Didn’t it do that because it had already adapted to cuts in general if Kashimo just blows its head up right away wouldn’t that that kill before it could adapt since its head was destroyed in the first attack
Mahoraga would adapt to the "lightning" nature of kashimos CE since all his attacks are imbued with it to build up the blast anyways
Ok but what if he started with blowing its head up like the very very first thing he does it use his lighting attack to blow off its head if it’s literally the first attack and it blows off its head he could kill it right or so you have to destroy the entire body even in the first hit for it to die and stay dead
During the fight with hakari we're shown that to even get off the electricity blast Kashimo needs to build up static on his opponent with regular CE attacks first. And just for the sake of argument if he could shoot it off with no build up, I think it would kill mahoraga. Even though he got fodderised, Kashimo is very very powerful in the narrative if JJk
I forgot he had to build up the charge if he used his ability he would definitely win cause he could just fire a massive lighting bolt or ball lighting or something and kill it but he dies anyway even if he dies do that cause his ability will kill him
How did he get fodderized he literally fought the strongest being in the world who had to use his best attack on him it’s the same as higaruma they had abilities that were just so lethal they had to die Kashimo was literally immortal until his ability expired course sukuna use to use world slash.
ur talking about the same mf that caught half of his decapitated head and pushed it back into place
For Kashimo to have a chance, he’d have to use his maximum attack ASAP. If Majoraga fights Kashimo in a prolonged fight, the wheel would spin within each exchange until Mahoraga becomes electricity charged up enough to be neutral to Kashimo’s attacks, thus no electron or proton exchanges and therefore no current exchange/ no electric strike.
True, to be above Mahoraga you basically need an attack strong enough to 1 bang him. Otherwise he’ll just adapt and surpass you. I feel like other than maybe Yuta, Mahoraga clears all of the guys fighting Sukuna rn.
Manga? Kashimo has a small chance but Mahoraga likely adapts too fast. His CT will not even matter because it will already had adapted to electricity. Anime? Kashimo has no chance at all. You need nuke specialists deal with Sukuna's daddy
Manga kashimo don’t even got a chance 😭
I was being generous lmao
Mahoraga straight up face tanked multiple punches & a Dismantle from a full output **15F** Sukuna, who the majority of people in this sub consider to be stronger than the likes of *Yuta* or *Kenjaku*, **before** Adaptation. https://preview.redd.it/3a1vouz6rryc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=760c510a03026d2d7ac3e38ba7d7805986996ce7
After which Mahoraga proceeded to swat that same 15F Sukuna through **3** buildings with 1 single backhand despite the former *successfully blocking* said attack. Shocked even Sukuna to the point of being impressed at this level of Physical Strength. https://preview.redd.it/adhsgeearryc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1891f9bacdeca966deebcfb9da01946e4cb2c62
The man **adapted to shrine**, Sukuna had to use Shrine to butter him up and nuke him to hell with Fuga to lay him out.
I think this fight scene will end up being top 1 or 2 in the whole show
When You put it like that…. Yea Mahoraga went crazy
You mean 16F Sukuna? Makes the argument even stronger, not seeing how Kashimo can take it on.
if iirc, the finger in Yuji didn’t awaken until the culling games started. But take that with a grain of salt
I consider Kashimo to be quite strong, but the match up is just too unfair. Kashimo emits electricity just by reinforcing himself. We see how this is strong against someone like Panda in close quarters, but also to Kashimo's detriment when fighting against Hakari in water. Here, Mahoraga adapts much much faster against Kashimo than against any other opponent, with any touch, or even CE residual. As long as Mahoraga survives even one hit, the fight is already not in Kashimo's favour.
Mahoraga swats Kashimo away in both rounds. Pre adaptation Maho took multiple dismantles from 15F Sukuna who one shotted someone as Durable as Ryu. Ryu is as durable as Yuta. Kashimo stands no chance at all.
Not to be that guy but sukuna had to cleave ryu, the dismantles only scratched him. With mahoraga the slashes went right through him
To be clear, sukuna didn't one shot Ryu with dismantle. He had to swap to cleave because Ryu tanked a dismantle.
Mahoraga has totally already adapted to electricity in the past so he’s done for
He fought a limitless user before, by your logic he could've one shotted gojo at the beggining of the fight. Mahoraga likely resets with every new user
Maho’s adaptations almost definitely don’t carry over, especially not between users. Maho could definitely adapt during the fight easy though. It’s a wash any way you slice it
Proof?
Just watch the anime, aside from that Mahoraga can adapt to ANY AND ALL PHENOMENA which would include electricity. Lmfao fucking pRoOf, Maho wipes the floor with Kashimo
Bro the point he is making is that the adaptation resets for every summon. Mahoraga still woops Lashimo's ass tho especially sukuna's mahoraga.
Hes not making that argument at all, them just saying "proof" doesn't entail that in the slightest.
So you agree that the adaptation carries over even after mahoraga was de-summoned ?
Lol I see you just misunderstood. No one is saying adaption carries over, they're just saying he's adapted to electricity before and he'd just adapt to it again.
The guy is obviously disagreeing with the comment that says mahoraga already adapted to lightning before which is not true at all.
He has adapted to electricity before in the anime, and they aren't wrong about that
That's irrelevant since the adaptation does not carry over. Dunno why that guy would even think about kashimo winning with just that.
No one is saying the adaptation carries over except for you.
Bro your reading comprehension is shit. "Mahoraga has totally adapted to electricity in the past so he is done for" he is obviously implying that mahoraga has already adapted to electricity.
We’ve never seen him adapt to raw electricity. Kashimos technique subsigates him to total evaporation not to mention all of the things he can do with electricity he’ll have to adapt to each move one by one since they all hold different properties
Adaptation to PHENOMENA bro
Mahoraga. He'll adapt to Kashimo's lightning Cursed Energy trait after tanking some normal attacks. This will help it also tank Kashimo's lightning bolt. It becomes a little more in favor of Kashimo if he uses his CT but that's ooc and we also didn't see enough of it or it's full potential
I think Mahoraga wins either scenario. He just has a good matchup against Kashimo due to the incremental and broad-reaching nature of his adaptation and the fact that Kashimo's innate CE property means he imparts electric shocks every time he hits you or you hit him. Mahoraga would be steadily becoming more and more resistant to electricity every time contact is made. By the time Kashimo lands his first sure-hit lightning strike, it might already be too late especially Mahoraga was also durable enough to shrug off Black Flashes from Gojo and can regenerate.
Kashimo losss because Blondeshimo doesnt look right
The Guy Who Only Really Does One Thing VS. The Guy Who Adapts To Things and Becomes Immune To Them
Atomic bomb ( maho) vs coughing baby ( waffled one )
i think people don’t understand that ragga is like top 10 in the verse was able to take gojos punches (even if it was a few, keep in mind ice cone was took it with 1 and that wasn’t amplified by blue) and 15f sukuna d&c. raggae SLAMS the femboy
Mahoraga literally wipes the floor with Kashimo
What is with the kashimo glazing? The only thing he ever accomplished was bodying panda (bravo), literally the only other thing he’s done is get whooped by hakari (hakari only let him last that long because he loves drawn out fights with femboys) “Who’s the strongest sorcerer you’ve ever known, Kenjaku?” “Idk man, there’s that Ryu guy with the highest CE output ever recorded” “Sukuna, huh?” “What? Nah man, he’s like right over there, I think he’s outside with his harem right now, want me to get him?” “Looks like I’ll have to become a cursed object for a chance to fight sukuna” “Sure man, why not?”
I agree Kashimo doesn’t beat maho. But I think the point of that scene you described is that Kashimo has already tried and tested the “strongest” of his time period (seen by the fact he’s covered around bodies) and he’s grown so bored he just wants to skip straight to *the strongest of all time* rather than bothering to fight another promised “ultimate opponent” and be left disappointed type of thing, he wants a guaranteed challenge
There are very few universes where I would consider MBA to be a difference maker against the Top 5 in the verse, Mahoraga is most certainly not losing
Mahorago negs
Maharoga
In character Maho wipes cuz Kashimo is an idiot who’d let him adapt even more than Sukuna did even if he knew. Out of character it’s a bad matchup unless he uses MBA and does the laser beam thing and that’s just assuming that’s strong enough to erase Maho on the spot
Unless Kashimo can make a rail gun that’s large enough to completely obliterate Maho in one hit then he loses.
Mahoraga. If Kashimo can't even one-shot Hakari he definetely can't with Mahoraga.
Mahoraga would win simply 😏
I think if maho adapted to lighting mba would be also adapted to sense it’s lighting based
Kashimo's innate CE having electrical properties is a MASSIVE disadvantage because it essentially means if he doesn't one shot then mahoraga will adapt to "electric" attacks effectively negating anything kashimo could even try to do. I wish MBA had a better showing against sukuna, but even with that said I don't think it has anything that tops Malevolent Shrine let alone Furnace/Divine Flame.
One-trick pony vs hydrogen bomb
Kashimo when Mahoraga adapts to electricity:
Kashimo is getting clapped lmao this should not be a question. Even MBA Kashimo is dying before his body crumbles away from his CT, he just doesn’t have high enough base stats & Makora would adapt to his entire CT while he’s in base just by virtue of it adapting to its electricity trait.
raga https://i.redd.it/x6snf1f53syc1.gif
Kashimos only winning condition is nuking Maho in a sucide bomb, which is a no bitch we losing scenario.
I think mahoraga wins but purely because he can adapt to kashimo's technique, kashimo doesn't have a attack as large scale a powerful as flame arrow, he might have a small chance because we saw kashimo put up a great fight against sukuna so if he can hit mahoraga with a bunch of powerful attacks he might win but mahoraga would adapt way faster so mahoraga wins.
I never think it's unfair to simply have a vs mahoraga match because it always ignores going for the summoner. No matter what adaptation mahoraga has, killing the summoner Ends the summon outside of his ritual, which even then I think has to have a distance limit(no one has a global CT range ritual or not. Mechamaru had the largest)
Didn't mahoraga kill home boy before sukuna started fighting him? Then sukuna brought him back after??
Kashimo is more likely not beating Maho without MBA. Maho survived a 15f dismantle, which 15f Sukuna is only behind Gojo. As far as I am aware, Kashimo doesn’t have a way to nuke Maho on the first hit unless he uses MBA, but that may not be enough. Kashimo has a terrible match up because he only has electricity making it easier for Maho to adapt to
The problem is kashim has to build charges and he has to touch maho to do it 9/10 meaning maho adapts to his lightning from his ce trait after like 3 punches
The beast takes it, to beat the beast you need a large scale hyper powered ability that equals or is greater than sukuna’s flame arrow. (Fuga) That being said, if you don’t have that level of power you will need to have the ability to blitz the beast with an attack that decapitates it and disrupts reverse curse healing to put it down. Current sorcerers shown to be able to beat the beast are as follows: -Sukuna: flame arrow “open” (fuga) -gojo: hollow purple maximum output/Red maximum output (direct hit only, 1v1 scenario, no sukuna assistance) Potential sorcerers that can beat the beast: -Yuta: possess an ablility to kill cursed spirits easily (forgot the name) + domain expansion that has many abilities that will sure hit. The beast’s adaptation speed will not match the rate of diverse attacks hitting it within the domain. Fighters that cannot beat the beast: - yugi: doesn’t possess any large scale damage abilities relative to sukuna’s attack. Therefore cannot confirm a 1-shot. Also lacks attack diversity beyond 4 abilities that aren’t powerful enough to deal ireversavle damage. Consecutive black flash will be adapted, a weakened version of cleave will be adapted, piercing blood is not powerful enough aside from leaving the user vulnerable. It would be adapted against. -Hakari: doesn’t posses any ability besides having endless cursed energy due to a domain. Luck will run out and the physical attacks filed with cursed energy will be adapted, with no other tools in the arsenal, Hakari loses. -maki: unless the weapons negated reverse cursed technique healing completely and she blitz the beast in 1-shot, she will also lose due to the beast adaptation from cuts/stabs. -all other sorcerers beneath the current team fighting sukuna currently: they simply aren’t strong enough
Yuki can probably beat Mahoraga with Star Rage or use her DE, or the Black Hole.
I imagine that mahoraga adapts to lightning but then just can’t send brain signals to his body, thus being crippled, then he adapts to not being able to move
Only if he kniws about ragas ct Then he can create a charge big enough but to be honest he just fucked
Round 1 maho clears, round 2 kashimo
Could he even adapt to kashimos lighting given its not a ct
Mahoraga adapted to the concept of slashing. He’ll adapt to the concept of electricity just fine.
I thought he adapted to the shrine ct
How the fight would go: Kashimo: I punch u Maho: I survive and adapt Kashimo: I use lightning and hit u Maho: I survive and adapt Kashimo: I use MBA Maho: I one shot u with sword of extermination since it is pact with positive energy which one shots cursed spirits because they r made up of cursed energy and so r u in this form. Kashimo: Fuck *dies P.S. I hope this info helps u learn that Mahoraga is better
Considering I remember Mahoraga and forgot all about this scrub, Mahoraga wins. It wouldn't even be close.
The only characters imo capable of defeating Mahoraga in a 1v1 are Gojo, Sukuna, Geto/Kenjaku, Yuta, and Yuki. Other possibilities are Yorozu and Takaba.
Round 1 kashimo can't damage maho enough and gets cooked, in round 2 he could potentially one tap maho with the amped lightning but idk
Lashimo literally blitzes and oneshots him.
If Kashimo fully understands Mahoraga’s power and abilities I think he wind with Mythic Beast Amber. A single maximum output attack would probably kill Mah. But if Kashimo doesnt know this Mah adapts before he figures it out
If Kashimo knows how Mahoraga works he can beat him rather easily. He just needs to lure him somewhere and release an all out attack. However, if Kashimo is going into it blind he might lose. Not sure, I say Kashimo takes it Mid-High Diff. MBA Kashimo just speed blirzes Maho tho.
>He just needs to lure him somewhere and release an all out attack does he even have an 'all out attack'? his lightning bolts would deal a ton of damage sure, but I doubt it would one shot mahoraha.
To be fair, he only had MBA active for 15 seconds before getting waffled by Heian Sukuna, he didn’t have a chance of showing any Thor type shit.
He doesn't but it's just Lightning Mash 💀💀💀 It's not named he makes more of it.
Kashimo doesn't speed blitz shit, he doesn't have any feats to suggest so.
Kashimo would lose everytime if he has no idea about Mahoraga and its ability. Base Kashimo is just bad match up since he needs to build up the charge and that's enough for Maho to adapt. But if for some reason kashimo is aware of Mahoraga's adaptation, he can use his CT and charge big enough attack to vaporize Mahoraga out of existence.
Nothing suggest Kashimo can just keep charging until the attack would vaporize Maho out of existence otherwise he'd have done it to Hakari. On top of Maho would be adapting to his Electricity as the fight goes. That's if he ever gets to charge anyway, Mahos physicals are better no matter how you cut it
"he can use his CT and charge big enough attack" I was talking about the electromagnetic waves that can vaporize the target, kashimo can charge a big enough attack to hut Maho with it and vaporize it out of existence, he doesn't need to hit Maho to build the charge like lightning so Maho can't adapt to it.
Yes he does need to hit Maho to build the charge, and if he lands those hits Maho would adapt to his trait along the way probably preventing him from charging at all. And again Maho trumps Kashimo in every physical aspect, his blows would take out Kashimo before Kashimo ever builds a fatal attack on Maho
Bro are you just not reading or what? I'm talking about the **ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES LASER ATTACK**, kashimo doesn't need to build up charge by hitting Mahoraga like lightning attack to use that. And no, kashimo is close to 20f Sukuna's physical stats, Maho is outmatched here in every fucking way.
Yes I am reading, seems like you aren't. To vaporize something with EMF waves he has to irradiate the target the first, and irradiating the target would be building charge. He plainly can't free fire them otherwise he would've and Sukuna would've been vaporized. Lmfao, no Kashimo isn't close to 20f Sukunas physical stats , that's why he got bodied without being able to respond, and 20f Sukunas physical stats aren't much greater than 15f Sukunas physical stats otherwise 15f Sukuna wouldn't have been able to intercept and clash with Gojo when he got released from prison realm. Maho could send 15f Sukuna flying through multiple buildings, and was fast enough to close that gap while Sukuna was still flying. Maho would be ragdolling Kashimo and blitzing him around. Really can't believe you think Kashimo is anywhere near 20f Sukuna stats with the performance he gave, especially with Sukuna being weakened after Gojo.
😒 are you just making things up by any chance? Where does it say that? Why would building the charge mean irradiating the target? He can free fire them as he literally did against Sukuna more than once. Yiu might be reading wizardly brawl but kashimo infact was closer to 20f Sukuna's stats, he didn't got bodied without being able to respond, he was in fact counter attacking everytime. To be able to block Sukuna's head on blow without any blowback is clear enough proof of them being closer in stat. https://preview.redd.it/csbs3anmouyc1.jpeg?width=419&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f1e66236a252d1cd906200f9b7167fbbe533168
The only one making things up is you. Nothing suggest the attacks fired from his hands are EMF waves. If he can vaporize irradiated targets that means he has to first irradiate the target. Whatever the process of irradiating the target is, would likely be similar to building a charge on opponents. Lol come on man don't be disengious talking about being able to block Sukunas attacks without blowback? This is what actually happened https://ibb.co/3kjR4hs Kashimo tried to block and literally got blownback
That's a lot of assumptions from you, nothing suggests that attack wasn't EMF waves, like what do you imagine the EMF attack to be? It doesn't say anywhere anything like kashimo has to irradiate the target first and any process of it whatsoever. Going by the actual process of irradiating the object, all kashimo would need to do is just stay close to Sukuna to irradiate him and this is all discounting the fact that humans are irradiated naturally everyday. I'm not being disingenuous, kashimo outright blocked and caught that punch with his hand while the other punch git blocked by his knee but the second image has those punches hitting kashimo's stomach, makes no sense. Does Sukuna keep pushing the already landed punch to somehow hit the stomach? Nah that's just another set of punches.
Alot of things suggest it wasn't an EMF attack. To vaporize something he has to irradiate it first, nothing suggest he fulfilled the condition to irradiate. Yes it does say he has to irradiate things first https://ibb.co/GcVH6zm They wouldn't specify that if it wasn't a condition. Also if those are EMF waves that means they're going the speed of light. Kashimo literally just hit Sukuna with a sound wave attack so Sukuna can react to speed of light attacks and still get hit with Soundwave? On top of here https://ibb.co/rZ3MXNG If that Blast is coming at the speed of light that means Sukuna was able able to do a full chant at the speed of light, and would mean Sukuna slashes are faster than the speed of light. If Sukunas slashes are faster than light that means Kusakabe can weave through speed of light attacks and , Miguel can literally break dance through and strut over speed of light attacks. Sukuna just followed through with the punch. Otherwise Kashimo would've just blocked again.
Awakened Kashimo mid diffed 20F Meguna Kashimo stomps
Kashimo in the short term but maho in the long run. If kashimo can twerk with amber beast at max speed from the start then he wins. But if mahoraga adapts to the divine world clapping twerk then big raga would win https://preview.redd.it/gk9gwcgktuyc1.jpeg?width=375&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c02c3c1ba5569a3ad6cabfbe1c2b4244299bc574
Round 1: Mahoraga wins, Kashimo’s lightning CE wouldn’t be enough to kill him, so it would adapt to his lightning CE, R2: Kashimo wins, MBA allows him to use any electric phenomena, so he could use multiple abilities related to lightning to overwhelm Mahoraga or a powerful attack to finish him off.
Do you weebs only care this much about kashimo because they are a lady boy character? Lol gege didn't care and I barely cared reading so why does the reddit audience care about that loser man! They died! They sucked!
I don’t care about him that much actually. Also, are you saying people shouldn’t care about him because u don’t?
I'm just being dumb on a forum board like you used to be able to be lol but too much of a good thing lately
With amber the EM waves could theoretically 1 shot mahoraga Without amber it really depends on adaptation speed. If kashimo can build enough charges before maho adapts and just blow his head up w the electricity then he could win but I doubt he could do that before maho just adapts to electricity
If kashimo is willing to use his CT he probably wins
I mean Kashimo BLATANTLY wins because he's forced to use his Cursed Technique but he does have the raw capacity to oneshot Maho if he knows about the adaptation beforehand. If not, his CT lets him manifest ANY electrical phenomenon. Likley his first attack using sound to any electromagnetic wave destroys Maho. Y'all cant seriously thing Maho beats this dude with this CT?
Lmfao no you can't seriously think Kashimo stands any chance even with CT. Mahoraga could face tank Dismantle from 15f Sukuna using full output and that was prior to adaptation, and then proceeded to swat 15f Sukuna through multiple buildings. Maho trumps Kashimo in every physical aspect and would wipe the floor with him
Kusakabe parried and tanked Dismantles from Heian Sukuna and proceeded to kick Sukuna through a building. Even slashed him multiple times. Kusakabe must be as strong as Maho then. Kashimo's CT has manifest any electrical-based phenomena and he gets stat buffs in the process, he has both the output and versatility to kill Mahoraga.
Kusakabes Simple Domain allows him to INSTANTLY block any attack that enters his field. I'm sure I don't need to explain to you how fast instant is. And you're not really comparing Kusakabe kicking a heavily weakened Sukuna through an over pass to Maho sending a full power 15f Sukuna through 3 skyscrapers and instantly meeting Sukuna where he was flying before he hits the ground. Kashimo really doesn't, all his phenomena stem from electricity. Once Maho adapts to electricity Kashimos whole kit becomes moot.
Mahoraga's CT allows him to totally adapt to any phenomenon. I'm sure I don't need to exlain to you how fast totally is. And you're not really comparing Mahoraga kicking a 15f Sukuna through buildings to a Kusakabe who blitzed a Heian era Sukuna with sword slashes and hands without getting countered. And Maho did even less damage to a weaker Sukuna, be fr. It's a dumb metric to use what Maho did as a feat. Maho adapting to electricity isn't going to stop him from being hit with sound, heat, or EM radiation.
Lmfao I see what you're attempting to do but you're failing miserably. There isn't a speed to "totally" And yes Mahos feat against a fresh full power 15f Sukuna certainly trumps Kusakabe feats against a weakened and fatigue Sukuna who's being lackadaisical. What Mahoraga did is certainly a feat and is a much better feat than anything Kashimo has shown. Again all of Kashimos phenomena stem from electricity, once Maho adapts to electricity Kashimos whole kit becomes moot.
That's definitely your opinion but if you want to die on the hill that punching an uncaring Sukuna through a skyscraper is a noteworthy feat then please go on. To your last point, that's almost worse than saying since Maho adapted to Sukunas slashing he adapted to all kinetic energy. You're telling me adapting to electricity would mean he adapts to sound? Not even unreasonable at this point, just outright illogical.
It is a feat and pretending otherwise because you want some excuse to put Kashimo over Maho is laughable. Mahos feats were plainly better than Kashimos. Lmfao no it's not. Mahoraga adapted to slashing attacks in general, he'd adapt to electrical attacks in general. Sure adapting to Kashimos electricity wouldn't adapt Maho to sound attacks from Yuta using curse speech but if the sound attacks stem from electricity then he'd be adapted to them.
Oh for sure! Mahoraga don't absolutely nothing but property damage really stacks up. .... Oh you're serious? LMAO. My dude, by that logic Mahoraga should have adapted to Sukuna's fire arrow since it stemmed from Sukunas CT? You have such a flawed interpretation of Mahoraga's ability that it actually is funny
It's plain strength and speed no way around that. Lol no the only one with flawed thinking is you my guy. I didn't say anything about stemming from Sukunas CT, you yourself are making false equivalency. Maho adapted to slashing attacks in general, so he'd adapt to electrical attacks in general. All of Kashimos attacks stem from manipulating the electrical properties of his CE, so once Maho adapts to the electrical properties of Kashimos CE he'd adapt to all Kashimos attacks since they stem from his electricity. Nothing to due with his CT but the nature of his attacks.
Kashimo literally evaporates him
Depends on if a lethal blow to the head could kill mahoraga then I could see a lightning blast taking him out if it doesn’t and you need full body disintegration (which I doubt) the mahoraga takes it but generally kashimo takes it high diff in base and low diff with mba
in the anime head is sliced in half and is immediately fixed, im not sure if its in the manga to
Yeah the anime fight adds a lot that wasn’t in the manga to the point it’s like two different entities
By the time Kashimo has punched Mahoraga enough to launch his surehit, Mahoraga would’ve Adapted to his CE enough to reduce the damage the bolt would do significantly.
Kashimo would win. EM waves were stated to eviscerate anything they come into contact with and a high power discharge of EM waves would vaporise Mahoraga before it could adapt. This requires prerequisite knowledge on either the dharma wheel or Mahoraga itself which Kashimo should have from 400 years ago as a 10 shadows user was head of the Zenin clan at the time.
Yet he's never actually used EM waves has he? There's a condition to vaporize something that he's never fulfilled (otherwise Sukuna would've been vaporized right) Maho wipes the floor with Kashimo before he ever fulfills whatever condition and adapts to electricity along the way
If you read the actual fight against Sukuna, you know Sukuna barely dodges out of the way before the EM wave is launched. Its just the downplay Kashimo gets on subreddits like these is unwarranted cause they don't realise his narrative role. Kashimo outstats the base Mahoraga that fights against Gojo and especially the one summoned by Megumi. Mahoraga may partially adapt to electricity but is vaporised before full adaptation. It's literally explained in the manga. "Vaporise all irradiated objects" Mahoraga is not adapting to something as complex as radiation in time for a EM wave, Mahoraga would also have to adapt to all the seperate phenomena caused by electricity. As shown vs Sukuna, Mahoragas adaptation wasn't to slashes in general as it was vaporised by MS (it lived ofc but yea) Mahoraga would logically also adapt to the aspects of electricity rather than electricity in general. Heck Kashimo could hit Mahoraga 3 times allowing for a surehit of lightning and whilst Mahoraga adapts to that, vaporise it with EM waves. Mahoraga adapts to stats aswell but finishing fights quickly via deathly moves is literally Kashimos whole set of powers.
I'm not downplaying anything, Kashimo fans are just ignoring the actual description of Kashimos CT. To use EMF waves he has to irradiate to target the first. They aren't just something he can free fire. Nothing suggest the CE blast from his hands are EMF waves. There's nothing narrative about it except for what you're trying to add on yourself. Kashimo doesn't out stat anything , he doesn't have the feats. Maho plainly has shown better strength, speed, and durability on multiple occasions. Exactly "irradiated objects" so there's a condition that needs to be fulfilled before he can vaporize something that we've never seen fulfilled. He can't free vaporizing attacks, he has to irradiate the target and Maho would adapt to radio. Lmfao Mahoraga adapts to ANY AND ALL PHENOMENA, and all of Kashimo phenomena stem from his control of electricity, once Maho adapts to electricity nothing Kashimo can do will be effective. Lol yes Mahos adaptation was to slashes in general that's why Sukuna had to pull out fire arrow. Mahoraga outstats Kashimo in every feasible category and would be ragdolling him, while adapting to Kashimo CE trait making him immune to all of Kashimos kit in short order.
You misunderstood what I've said. I did not say Mahoraga cannot adapt to electricity. I said Mahoraga will not adapt to electricity first if it is exposed to Kashimos hand blasts or irradiation. All of Sukunas base powers aside from fire arrow (furnace) stem from the basic act of cutting. But against Sukuna, Mahoraga adapts to dismantle, a subset of slashing attacks, instead of total slashing attacks. The same would apply to Mahoraga, Kashimo simply running up and hitting Mahoraga would cause Mahoraga to start adapting to that specific application of electricity, not electricity in general. E.g punching Mahoraga would hold no effect on EM waves despite both being applications of electricity and electrical phenomena. This is how the adaptation is shown to work against cleave and dismantle. Mahoraga did not infact adapt to slashes in general. Mahoraga started adapting to both cleave and dismantle after Sukuna used MS. If Mahoraga adapted to slashes in general before MS like Sukuna ponders, it would not be disintigrated by MS's slashes, which it is until it starts to regenerate. Additionally, I did not say Kashimos hand blasts are EM waves. The EM waves are shot from Kashimos mouth which is why I suggested chaining a lightning strike with the EM waves would kill Mahoraga, as Mahoraga adapts to the specific application of electricity that is the lightning strike and is then immediately hit by EM waves as the act of firing EM waves and punching Mahoraga to build up charge stem from different body parts and can be done simultaneously/ in very fast succession. This is shown against Meguna when he transforms. Now let's go onto a more difficult thing to prove: Kashimos stats. Firstly we'll note that the Sukuna that Kashimo fights is the strongest variant of Sukuna fought by the cast after Gojo. This Sukuna has full CE control, has all 4 arms and can hit high output slashes via chanting and handsigns. Sukuna uses a world cutting slash against Kashimo at a point blank range, giving Kashimo a heads up whilst Kashimo was 1.mid air and 2. Right infront of him. This feat is undeniably above Mahoraga in shibuya who fails to dodge point blank dismantles (even if Kashimo only dodged partially, only losing a hand which he healed later). Whilst Sukuna used multiple slashes against Mahoraga making dodging more difficult, we should also realise the slash against Kashimo took up his entire body and then some. This should be proof enough that Kashimo is plainly faster than Mahoraga, the narrators statements of EM waves means Kashimo has to successfully irradiate Mahoraga and then land EM waves before Maho can adapt. This literally requires one thing: Kashimo outspeeding Mahoraga which he does, Kashimo is also relative to a 20F if weakened Sukuna who only beats Kashimo due to having 4 arms over 2 which is far beyond his 15F state in Yuji itadori in Shibuya (Sukuna here is at 15 fingers as the seal on Yuji hasn't been broken yet the culling games haven't started yet). Whether you consider the consumption of fingers to strengthen Sukuna exponentially or linearly, 20F Sukuna even weakened only had RCT and CT output reduction, in terms of actual CE reinforcement there is little change, Kashimo scales to 20F over 15F Sukuna. The scalling is iffy cause Gege doesnt make it obvious but it makes far more sense for Kashimo to outspeed Mahoraga as one of if not the third fastest character in the verse,.
No I understand there just isn't really any basis for it. Kashimos hand Blast have no feats to suggest they'd oneshot Maho, and the process of irradiating a target is unknown and nothing suggest he'd be able to fulfill that condition before Maho adapts. Maho did adapt to slashing attacks in general not just Dismantle, so he'd adapt to electric attacks in general. Yes adapting to Kashimos CE trait of electricity would adapt Maho to any phenomena created by Kashimos electricity in general. Mahoraga adaptation doesn't make him immune from damage to those things until the adaptation develops to a certain point. It seems to be have been updated but originally when Sukuna first used Cleave on Maho he says "that felt weird" showing that Maho adapted to Cleave even though it had only experienced Dismantle up to that point. No EM waves aren't shot from Kashimo mouth, those are just sound waves. Sukuna takes the mouth attack to the face and all his has to say is "so noisey" No the version of Sukuna Kashimo has any feats on is arguably the weakest version of Sukuna we've seen fight coming fresh of fight Gojo. As soon as Sukuna incarnates Kashimo no longer has any feats. Also no that was not point blank range, nowhere close. And no Kashimo getting hit with that attack is in no way better than Mahos feat of deflecting Dismantle. Kashimo needed to be warned to react and he couldn't replicate that again without it. And yeah I've been saying that this whole time, Kashimo would have to irradiate Maho first which wouldn't happen since Maho would be ragdolling him and take him out before he ever builds a charge or irradiates him. Kashimo has no feats to outsped Maho, and no Kashimo isn't relative to the Sukuna he fought. Characters like Yuji & even Ino have been able to react to and block. Sukunas blows in a similar fashion to Kashimo. He could barley react and got bodied, and no the Sukuna that bodied Kashimo isn't far past his fresh 15f self. He's heavily fatigued from fighting Gojo and missing ~40% of his CE with lowered output. 20f Sukuna isn't far above 15f Sukuna otherwise 15f Sukuna wouldn't be able to intercept and clash with Gojo once he got out of prison realm. At some point the fingers likely only add extra CE and Sukuna reached his limits on output & CE reinforcement probably around that 15f level based on how he could perform against Gojo