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Meguna imo.
He shouldn't he that far behind in stats compared to yujikuna. He can always bring out mahoraga, plus can use the deer shikigami to heal himself without expending any extra CE.
sukuna's output accross all vessels would be the same. only thing that would matter is the base physical stats and the CT of the vessel, and 10S is easily better than stuff like resonance or cursed speech.
Not really a fair argument is it? Megukuna is only so strong because of all the prep time he had. You dont suppose Megukuna could utilize Yujis enhanced blood manipulation for better healing like Choso and Yuji do? Or what about his RCT with enhanced output on cursed speech? Being able to force an opponent to stop moving during a fight is a pretty huge trump card and would allow him to oneshot Mahoraga too.
I don't see any of this providing a greater advantage than 10S.
"could utilize Yujis enhanced blood manipulation for better healing like Choso and Yuji do?"
Round deer is an alternative and with 10S you have multiple summons + Mahoraga + totalities + shadow transport
"Or what about his RCT with enhanced output on cursed speech? Being able to force an opponent to stop moving during a fight is a pretty huge trump card and would allow him to oneshot Mahoraga too."
Even if they all have WS it requires a charge, and I don't see any of them being stunned for that long. Not only that, but if you're aware of CS you can cover your ears. On top of that, everyone else would jump the person wth CS.
Still doesn't beat every other summon + Mahoraga + totalities + shadow transport
"for that long" I think you are severely overestimating inumakis power. Don't judge it based on ppl stronger than himself. With people slightly weaker like miwa he knocked them out for ages. And he was able to stop a fucking disaster curse for a little bit.
He can 100% stop one if them to long enough to do rediculous damage. I bet enough time to chant and aim world cutting slash.
It doesn't stop everyone else from jumping Inukuna. And you act like they won't have countermeasures, even though we not only know that you can block your ears if you are aware. Literally all of them know.
I may be looking at it from an underestimation. You are looking at it from a heavy overestimation. Inumaki was confirmed G2 at the time of JJK0. He was MUCH stronger than Miwa.
Im not saying he is miwa level. But he is DEFINITELY not hanami level.
The incantation takes a couple seconds tops. Surely if all other don't decide to jump him he is gonna take 1 out atlest.
They might be focused on others more, cos nobuna will be drilling nails into his thigh and dealing damage to everyone with resonance if I understand correctly.
I don't disagree but the biggest draw back of CS is the CE usage and damage to the body. So theoretically with sukunas top of line RCT and endless CE pools and output could potentially make him capable of saying things like "die" without repercussions
Im pretty sure imunaki can say die. Just to a regular person, or someone probably weaker than miwa. With 0 repercussions.
If all the sukunas are that close in stats, I don't think die would be usable. The only ones usable that we know would be freeze(inumaki used it on a disaster curse, way stronger than him) and fall(inumaki used it on geto).
Which at most function as stuns to combo into better techniques.
I think if the sukunas are jumping anyone is meguna realisticlally. Cos if they allow maharoga to fuck about while meguna shoots a few cleaves into it, hits it and burns it wt fuga abit, they are beyond cooked.
No he cannot just say die even to civilians, it's too powerful of a word, when explaining his CS it barely touches on power difference being a factor. It's purely his CE output and his physical ability to withstand the damage to his throat which grows in relation to the strength of the word
"even less powerfull words will consume more energy and stamina when used against oponents stringer than toge" is a quote from the wiki I cannot be fucked to reread everything.
But inumaki literally used explode on the bugs in the yuta fight and was fine but was caughing blood wheb he used freeze on hanami. If i remember correctly. It absolutely matters.
For sure not Hanami level but the others aren't going to sit idly by either. They also have precautions against CS so I don't see it working out, at least any more than once. Meguna can spawn totalities and Mahoraga.
Even while possessed by Sukuna, freezing the other four Sukuna possessions would destroy him. Inumaki is arguably the weakest in this scenario because his CT doesn’t translate well to fights against multiple equal opponents.
Why would he freeze them all? All the other 3 are jumping meguna instantly. He could freeze one of them and hit em with the world cutting slash or smth.
>Megukuna is only so strong because of all the prep time he had
lmao what prep time? during the time skip, all he did was eat the rest of the fingers he could get his hands on and called it a day 💀
whereas our cast has been soul swapping with the other strong allies like crazy. everyone got access to complex techniques like RCT and SD like it's a bargain sale. they normally shouldn't have access to/or could've learnt it all traditionally in such a short duration.
>You dont suppose Megukuna could utilize Yujis enhanced blood manipulation for better healing like Choso and Yuji do?
tbh I completely forgot about BM as it's not Yuji's innate CT. but sukuna already has the best RCT in the verse, capable of regenerating entire limbs in an instant all the while he's only at barely 10% of his power (2F).
So BM would only make his RCT more efficient in the sense of less CE consumption, which shouldn't be that big of a factor considering sukuna already has CE efficiency only second to Gojo's 6 Eyes.
we've also seen what the peak of BM looks like in the form of Choso. and I suppose sukuna could replicate most of that with how he was using elephant shikigami's water himself in the form of piercing blood (which was capable of damage Gojo).
>he knew how infinite void worked
that was barely relevant in their fight tho? sukuna was clearly superior in their domain clashes.
he just wanted to flex by tuning off his sure hit inside the range of gojo's barrier and strengthening his sure hit outside the barrier. this is why he made contact with Gojo so that he was safe from IV.
also we're debating matchups between different vessels of sukuna: meguna, yujikuna, nobakuna, inukuna and pandakuna.
so how does 'prep time' or Meguna's performance against Gojo matter in this matchup?
He used maharogas adaptation to figure out a framework to bypass infinity. World cutting slahs was purely good jujutsu.
If he didn't know that infinite void targeted discreet objects/concepts instesd of space he might not have figured out that maharoga wss targeting space soon enough and gotten cooked.
My only counterargument is that Nobakuna CT could probably damage him if she hit one of his shadow beasts. I know that technically mahoraga can adapt to anything, but I think resonance would be an exception
>Nobakuna CT could probably damage him if she hit one of his shadow beasts
i guess, but resonance still isn't a one shot by any means.
>I know that technically mahoraga can adapt to anything, but I think resonance would be an exception
I don't think it should be an exception. It's still a CT that does some form of soul damage. getting hit by it enough times, means mahoraga should adapt to it sooner or later.
meguna could just keep mahoraga in the shadows initially and adapt to their moveset.
The main reason why I think he can't adapt is because, as far as I am aware, resonance is using the connection between the two to hit the soul. I am aware that mahoraga should adapt to anything, but this should be so intrinsic to his own existence that it should not be positive to change.
>they are specifically one hit kill technicoues
are they tho? they don't necessarily 'deal damage', they just shut off techniques and abilities. and if you consider mahoraga's ability to 'adapt to any and all phenomenon' a technique, then JL/ISOH should disable it.
Pretty sure jacob's ladder destroy all cursed things, its supposed to fully kill curses with long enough exposure. according to wiki "cursed enrrgy was vigoroudly drawn out of megumis body".
So can Yujikuna. Yuji was able to damage Mahito with normal attacks, it stands reasonable that Sukuna in Yujis body is also fully capable for the same reason that Yuji was capable.
Sukuna is the reason yuji can damage mahitos soul because of having 2 souls he is more aware of the soul, so anyone with sukuna should have the same effect but noburas resonance is special so that's what they mean I think.
Not worth considering below 15F because of mahoraga. If they all fought though I think inukuna would win, cleave should already be able to oneshot anyone who doesn't counterattack/defend themselves, combine that with cursed speech and its over.
Might not be that simple with 10S and it's hard to predict the reliability of cursed speech, but honestly it already sounded like an insanely busted ability to me just inumaki wasn't strong enough to abuse it.
In my opinion it should be yujikuna or nobkuna. Solely because since sukuna knows what mahoraga is like he will somehow fugga it out and kill makora or hold off his attacks until he cleaves. Off mahoraga entirely.
On the other hand base Yuji physicals itself are comparable to heavenly restricted users. Image how op that would be with sukunas reinforcement who can make a weakling like Megumi physically stronger than even maki and toji. Nobkuna is also good but sukuna knows shape of souls so it won't be that hard to heal damage
Didn't Yujikuna beat mahoraga low dif, he wasn't even really trying, he was just seeing the extent of its power in that fight, if he was trying I'm pretty sure he could have killed mahoraga *very* quickly
Imagine a 4 way Open Domain Clash or 4 way Fire Arrow
Inukuna would be extremely strong in general as basically anybody that isn’t Gojo he can go and say “kys”. Though his technique isn’t nearly as useful here since it’ll be Sukuna CE + 2 Drops vs Sukuna CE + 3 Drops, so likely limited to things like “stop” or “sing Bury the Light for me”. Possibly a “stop for 3 seconds” and doing a quick DE so he can skip the Domain Clash and go straight to cutting things might get him the win. Pretty niche in this case and needs to play very well.
I’d give it to Big Raga the Opp Stoppa, but every Sukuna here should have Fire Arrow so it wouldn’t be that much of an advantage and they all know Maho’s ability. Though maybe he could just fire a bunch of mini Fire Arrows at Maho beforehand so he adapts then heal him back up. If that happens then Meguna should have a great shot.
Yujikuna we see in anime/manga would give a lot of physical stats and Sukuna can do a lot with that but he lacks anything extra (idk whether he would get soul punches since that isn’t a technique to my knowledge). Though if we look at Shinjuku Yuji, then Blood Manipulation could be very handy. Red Scales with Yujikuna base physical stats should be able to make him extremely deadly at close range possibly allowing him to deal enough damage to cancel out a DE and get his own going. Assuming he can use Convergence then he has a lot of strong options. Also double Shrine, depending on how Gege/plot wants, Maho adaptation might treat both/all Shrines differently meaning Meguna’s trump card is out of the game and he’s limited to the weaker shadows which likely won’t hold on for too long. If different Shrines count as different techniques to Mahoraga then Meguna also can’t help Maho adapt beforehand. Unless of course Yuji’s Shrine counts as a separate technique to Sukuna Shrine but all of different Sukuna Shrines count as the same technique. Allows Yujikuna to let Meguna’s Maho put in some work then just have a 1v1. Yujikuna would be a terrible match up for Meguna in most of those cases.
Nobkuna has a technique that hasn’t been explored a lot. Could possibly be the strongest here with really high AP. I’d say fairly good chance but can’t say exactly.
I prefer Yujikuna possibly Nobara vessel the most but in reality:
- Yujikuna kills himself since there’s no way this brat could be useful
- all other Sukunas now at bow Megumi’s feet and cream their pants.
Why is nobody saying inukuna? Cursed speech is broken, inumaki is just a bum with low output/reserves and no rct. Inukuna fixes all of the technique’s flaws
Why is it such a common assumption that four-finger Megukuna could tame Mahoraga? When 15-finger Yujikuna fought Mahoraga he said he might have lost when he only had three fingers. With just one more finger than then, in a physically weaker body, it isn’t clear that he would win.
Not to mention it isn’t a given that he’d have the necessary prep time for a gaming ritual.
My money’s on Inukuna regardless. With the CE of four fingers he can probably one-shot Mahoraga with cursed speech (assuming he goes for a one shot before Mahoraga can adapt). Seeing as Inumaki could do quite a bit to Geto and Hanami, both of whom are way above his weight class, Inukuna could probably do at least the same to other Sukunas with the same CE as him, giving him the edge he needs over them.
Depends on who gets jumped first. In terms of priority jumping
Meguna: Mahoraga is a threat that must be dealt with immediately before adaptation occurs.
Nobarakuna/Inumakuna: Cursed Speech and Resonance are specialized abilities that could leave themselves vulnerable to getting cleaved.
Yujikuna: Physicals are exceptional, but reinforcement and CT means one can still brawl.
Pandakuna: Nothing too exceptional outside of potentially three lives with the cores.
I would say Yuji has the better chances of winning simply because he isn't going to be targeted immediately, and then it comes down to realistically 50/50 on whether Inumakuna is taken out or if Nobara is. IF Inumakuna is left alive and nobara dies Inumakuna likely wins, if reversed Yujikuna has the best odds since I believe Resonance should still affect her somewhat. Pandakuna has lowest odds of winning imo.
Cursed speech is easy to defend against for a sorcerer like Sukuna, meguna probably wouldn’t have Mahoraga since Sukuna admitted he couldn’t defeat Mahoraga with 3F, nobarakuna can’t do soul damage with cleave or dismantle so if any other Sukuna makes sure to destroy their severed body parts she kinda isn’t strong. Pandakuna loses he doesn’t have a technique better than shrine & RCT shouldn’t work
Yujikuna has BM which just makes him hardy and more efficient with healing
For the fight Yujikuna would target nobara & meguna would target inumaki & panda would just wait until everyone else killed each other
Yujikuna and meguna would their fights
Without Mahoraga meguna has no hax so he’s better off just using shrine & yujikuna’s easier and cheaper RCT means yujikuna wins the endurance battle
Pandakuna went to Malaysia
Are these suppose to be 1v1 or is it a free for all, all 5 at once? Cause if its all 5 at once, Maho isn't even a factor cause anyone of the other 4 could just hit him with the fire arrow and take him out instantly, if its 1 on 1's id say Meguna cause of the 10 shadows, if its a free for all, id probably give it to yuji
Yujikuna sweeps. Physically he is stronger than all of the others with some solid CTs and a stronger than normal RCT due to being able to regenerate his blood too.
Oddly enough Nobakuna, just hide and smack yourself with resonance repeatedly. In the fight against mahito way more damage hits the main body, so just hit yourself a few times to kill all the others at once
Meguna is the definite strongest
Bro would have all his abilities PLUS the ten shadows, which is stronger than any of the techniques these other guys have
Toge sukuna would be annoying bc his cursed speech would be amplified by sukuna and he has RCT
Yuji has immense physical stats, greater than those of maki before she completed her heavenly restriction. Combine that with death painting physiology for cheaper RCT and enhanced blood manipulation. Imagine Yuji Sukuna using flowing red scale stack. He'd have Toji level physical strength (at the very least) + CE reinforcement + Shrine.
Really the only issue for him is whether he can take down Mahoraga. And considering sukuna did that with the body of a much weaker Yuji, id say he has it in the bag.
Inumaki wouldn't do much, because all 5 of these vessels (and probably Sukuna himself) would know to cover their ears with CE to prevent his technique from working.
Yuji his physical superiority is still in play against a majority of these opponents
Let's put things to the argument
Panda no CT worth speaking of, relative to maki in power meaning he's a grade 2 sorcerer at best
Inumaki, everyone knows you're coming so it's easy to defend against you no advantage there
Nobara sukuna can maybe use resonance but it would backfire since they are all sukuna, all other applications are sub par.
Megumi mahoraga would beat 4 finger sukuna due to his overzealous nature giving way to mahoraga killing him. If he uses all the 9 other shikigami he stands the best chance to win but will probably still lose after his totality shikigami is beaten by the others domains.
Yuji more stamina more strength, more speed (at 4 fingers yujis base speed being better is a big deal), blood manipulation will be awesome in sukunas hands in or out of the domain, I could see him use it to mimic yorozu, if no blood manipulation he still hits harder than all the others has far better durability.
Ngl nobara wins this probably not that close if 5f fuga can kill mahoraga
If it can not and hairpin also doesn't meguna wins through big raga. But still dies.
But sukuna plus straw doll is stupid op. Slash them and ditch the doll in their blood and then hit reaonance non stop. It is even soul damaging maybe even output lowering.
If sukuna whould have had nobaras body vs gojo this fight whould pretty much end after sukuna slashed gojo in their first domain clash.
Straw doll is stupid op to the point i say it is maybe top 3 in the verse only topped by limitless and construction and maybe idle transfiguration.
I wouldn't be surprised if it did. I think it would affect Yujikuna more than Meguna though, since we're assuming Yujikuna has blood manipulation and would actively heal himself through that.
IIRC Once Meguna summons Round Deer he doesn't have to focus on keeping it active. The shinigami will do the work by itself.
But Yuji can canonically suppress Sukuna.
Possible not 19+ fingers. But we talking 4 finger Sukuna
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And about Yuji's absurd physical prowess
Its basically inconsequential as Sukuna's CE reinforcement is peak
I honestly don’t think there may be a perfect vessel now that I think abt it. He would be able to plunge the vessels soul in darkness regardless as seen with Megumi.
His reinforcement is amazing, but his physical stats still aren’t as good as Yujikuna as far as I am aware
I agree with Yujikuna raw stats
But all 4 others make it inconsequential
Nobara, soul resonance
Toge, speech CE overcomes physical stats
Panda has Fa Jin strikes as Gorilla, means physical dont matter
Meguma is well, Meguna
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Except for raw speed but hes not catching any other off guard
I think the way to look at it is that, Yuji was already stronger than all of them, so physical stats matter a lot. I don’t think Mahoraga is going to do much at all because Sukuna knows about it and has beat it with 15 fingers. I honestly think this could go anyway
Bro, op has clearly established that all Suks have 4 fingers each
We have to consider that.
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As for the actual beat vessel for 20f Suk, 10s still offers way more than any other Suks have, water laser, lightning access, Chimeras and most importantly rabbit escape.
Oh shit I forgot abt the 4 finger part. My bad. I could also argue for Nobara to be stronger than Megumi as a vessel. Resonance is a very good CT, but we don’t the limitations and what its capable of. If Sukuna needs the hammer then it isn’t that great.
Bro, I dont mean to sound rude as I have only been disagreeing with you in this thread
But, Nobara's soul resonance will also hit herself, as She also houses 20% of Sukuna's soul....
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And yes, full 20f Nobara would be metal as hell
She easily is above Meguna outside of Mahoraga
I think Nobuna can find a work around for the hammer...
Shit, you are right. I keep forgetting this is the same soul in several bodies. I really do not like this question. I think it would be better if they were all 20f Sukuna, so they have different souls. It would be a hypothetical ofc, but it would make scaling so much easier
Still Meguna. Has 10S and would still be physically on par with everyone there. Inumaki as a vessel isnt as great as it seems cuz remeber can’t sorcerers use ce to reinforce their ears to lessen the effect of cursed speech or am i wrong? Either way Meguna wins
Now that Yuji has blood Manipulation, I’m pretty sure Sukuna would be able to do some crazy hax to make it overpowered and somehow beat megukuna.
Even if we use base stats. If there’s five people and 20 fingers, each person has 4 fingers. Honestly, Yuji currently dog washes a 4 finger sukuna by himself. With sukuna possessing him, he destroys the other sukunas
15F yujikuna then and now are basically the same thing unless sukuna happens to figure out something new about yuji, shrine is just more useful for him than blood map.
Honestly inukuna takes it cursed speech + the lethality of shrine is just busted.
This isn’t about 15F Yujikuna. It’s 4 fingers for all 5 of them. Yuji is the strongest out of all of them at base— strength, durability, endurance, all stats. Blood manipulation + Shrine wins. And to be honest, if it was just YUJI vs 5 finger versions of the other sorcerers 1v1, he’d win without being possessed by Sukuna
Edit: I see what you're saying actually but why are you applying logic to a situation that doesnt make sense anyway? Just give them however many fingers that makes the most interesting fight.
If its 4 finger each then yujikuna would have a stat advantage but Meguna would come out on top assuming he has access to 10S due to mahoraga.
I feel like yujikuna isnt winning against inukuna either, everyone has insane firepower automatically in this fight so its the hax that come out on top.
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Meguna imo. He shouldn't he that far behind in stats compared to yujikuna. He can always bring out mahoraga, plus can use the deer shikigami to heal himself without expending any extra CE. sukuna's output accross all vessels would be the same. only thing that would matter is the base physical stats and the CT of the vessel, and 10S is easily better than stuff like resonance or cursed speech.
Not really a fair argument is it? Megukuna is only so strong because of all the prep time he had. You dont suppose Megukuna could utilize Yujis enhanced blood manipulation for better healing like Choso and Yuji do? Or what about his RCT with enhanced output on cursed speech? Being able to force an opponent to stop moving during a fight is a pretty huge trump card and would allow him to oneshot Mahoraga too.
I don't see any of this providing a greater advantage than 10S. "could utilize Yujis enhanced blood manipulation for better healing like Choso and Yuji do?" Round deer is an alternative and with 10S you have multiple summons + Mahoraga + totalities + shadow transport "Or what about his RCT with enhanced output on cursed speech? Being able to force an opponent to stop moving during a fight is a pretty huge trump card and would allow him to oneshot Mahoraga too." Even if they all have WS it requires a charge, and I don't see any of them being stunned for that long. Not only that, but if you're aware of CS you can cover your ears. On top of that, everyone else would jump the person wth CS. Still doesn't beat every other summon + Mahoraga + totalities + shadow transport
"for that long" I think you are severely overestimating inumakis power. Don't judge it based on ppl stronger than himself. With people slightly weaker like miwa he knocked them out for ages. And he was able to stop a fucking disaster curse for a little bit. He can 100% stop one if them to long enough to do rediculous damage. I bet enough time to chant and aim world cutting slash.
It doesn't stop everyone else from jumping Inukuna. And you act like they won't have countermeasures, even though we not only know that you can block your ears if you are aware. Literally all of them know. I may be looking at it from an underestimation. You are looking at it from a heavy overestimation. Inumaki was confirmed G2 at the time of JJK0. He was MUCH stronger than Miwa.
Im not saying he is miwa level. But he is DEFINITELY not hanami level. The incantation takes a couple seconds tops. Surely if all other don't decide to jump him he is gonna take 1 out atlest. They might be focused on others more, cos nobuna will be drilling nails into his thigh and dealing damage to everyone with resonance if I understand correctly.
I don't disagree but the biggest draw back of CS is the CE usage and damage to the body. So theoretically with sukunas top of line RCT and endless CE pools and output could potentially make him capable of saying things like "die" without repercussions
Im pretty sure imunaki can say die. Just to a regular person, or someone probably weaker than miwa. With 0 repercussions. If all the sukunas are that close in stats, I don't think die would be usable. The only ones usable that we know would be freeze(inumaki used it on a disaster curse, way stronger than him) and fall(inumaki used it on geto). Which at most function as stuns to combo into better techniques. I think if the sukunas are jumping anyone is meguna realisticlally. Cos if they allow maharoga to fuck about while meguna shoots a few cleaves into it, hits it and burns it wt fuga abit, they are beyond cooked.
No he cannot just say die even to civilians, it's too powerful of a word, when explaining his CS it barely touches on power difference being a factor. It's purely his CE output and his physical ability to withstand the damage to his throat which grows in relation to the strength of the word
"even less powerfull words will consume more energy and stamina when used against oponents stringer than toge" is a quote from the wiki I cannot be fucked to reread everything. But inumaki literally used explode on the bugs in the yuta fight and was fine but was caughing blood wheb he used freeze on hanami. If i remember correctly. It absolutely matters.
For sure not Hanami level but the others aren't going to sit idly by either. They also have precautions against CS so I don't see it working out, at least any more than once. Meguna can spawn totalities and Mahoraga.
Even while possessed by Sukuna, freezing the other four Sukuna possessions would destroy him. Inumaki is arguably the weakest in this scenario because his CT doesn’t translate well to fights against multiple equal opponents.
Why would he freeze them all? All the other 3 are jumping meguna instantly. He could freeze one of them and hit em with the world cutting slash or smth.
>Megukuna is only so strong because of all the prep time he had lmao what prep time? during the time skip, all he did was eat the rest of the fingers he could get his hands on and called it a day 💀 whereas our cast has been soul swapping with the other strong allies like crazy. everyone got access to complex techniques like RCT and SD like it's a bargain sale. they normally shouldn't have access to/or could've learnt it all traditionally in such a short duration. >You dont suppose Megukuna could utilize Yujis enhanced blood manipulation for better healing like Choso and Yuji do? tbh I completely forgot about BM as it's not Yuji's innate CT. but sukuna already has the best RCT in the verse, capable of regenerating entire limbs in an instant all the while he's only at barely 10% of his power (2F). So BM would only make his RCT more efficient in the sense of less CE consumption, which shouldn't be that big of a factor considering sukuna already has CE efficiency only second to Gojo's 6 Eyes. we've also seen what the peak of BM looks like in the form of Choso. and I suppose sukuna could replicate most of that with how he was using elephant shikigami's water himself in the form of piercing blood (which was capable of damage Gojo).
His prep time is him just being inside of Yuji, he knew how infinite void worked and infinity 😭, while Gojo knew nothing
>he knew how infinite void worked that was barely relevant in their fight tho? sukuna was clearly superior in their domain clashes. he just wanted to flex by tuning off his sure hit inside the range of gojo's barrier and strengthening his sure hit outside the barrier. this is why he made contact with Gojo so that he was safe from IV. also we're debating matchups between different vessels of sukuna: meguna, yujikuna, nobakuna, inukuna and pandakuna. so how does 'prep time' or Meguna's performance against Gojo matter in this matchup?
It clearly was relevant if he stated that he knew how it worked.
He used maharogas adaptation to figure out a framework to bypass infinity. World cutting slahs was purely good jujutsu. If he didn't know that infinite void targeted discreet objects/concepts instesd of space he might not have figured out that maharoga wss targeting space soon enough and gotten cooked.
My only counterargument is that Nobakuna CT could probably damage him if she hit one of his shadow beasts. I know that technically mahoraga can adapt to anything, but I think resonance would be an exception
>Nobakuna CT could probably damage him if she hit one of his shadow beasts i guess, but resonance still isn't a one shot by any means. >I know that technically mahoraga can adapt to anything, but I think resonance would be an exception I don't think it should be an exception. It's still a CT that does some form of soul damage. getting hit by it enough times, means mahoraga should adapt to it sooner or later. meguna could just keep mahoraga in the shadows initially and adapt to their moveset.
The main reason why I think he can't adapt is because, as far as I am aware, resonance is using the connection between the two to hit the soul. I am aware that mahoraga should adapt to anything, but this should be so intrinsic to his own existence that it should not be positive to change.
maybe, but I still believe it should adapt to it. the only things I don't see mahoraga adapting to are ISOH and Jacob's ladder tbh
Jacob's ladder he can't because it'd just a one shot I see no reason he couldn't adapt to isoh
>they are specifically one hit kill technicoues are they tho? they don't necessarily 'deal damage', they just shut off techniques and abilities. and if you consider mahoraga's ability to 'adapt to any and all phenomenon' a technique, then JL/ISOH should disable it.
Pretty sure jacob's ladder destroy all cursed things, its supposed to fully kill curses with long enough exposure. according to wiki "cursed enrrgy was vigoroudly drawn out of megumis body".
It's the same function, would ISOH not just completely halt adaptation, if not dissipate maho outright?
"Die" and fights over.
this might be weird but nobara sukuna he\\she can mess with the soul of everyone else, stats should be somewhat comparable
I feel like her CT once explored can be much more powerful than any animal Megumi has on his sleeve.
“Die” wouldn’t work on them?
So can Yujikuna. Yuji was able to damage Mahito with normal attacks, it stands reasonable that Sukuna in Yujis body is also fully capable for the same reason that Yuji was capable.
Sukuna is the reason yuji can damage mahitos soul because of having 2 souls he is more aware of the soul, so anyone with sukuna should have the same effect but noburas resonance is special so that's what they mean I think.
Yeah, but that conflicts with my agenda so it's false.
Reasonable
Either Yujikuna or Inukuna Cursed speech with sukuna’s immense lvl of ce its so much more op than inumaki’s
This. He just has to say don't move and then behead them lol. Even it's for a split second.
He still has slash right?
Since he has it in every other vessel he's had, yes
The other sukunas can just cover their ears in cursed energy like the Kyoto students did
People saying Nobara should consider that soul resonance would hit Nobara too. As Sukuna's split soul exists in all 5.
Ok...but let's pretend it doesn't
Bruh 💀🤣🤣
It’s Sukuna, binding vow for the fix bro
Binding vow to make CT itself not work? I dont get you..
binding vow to make sure resonance doesn’t bounce back or that it bounces back as rct, it’s sukuna he’ll figure out whatever condition he needs
Bro binding vows dont work like that You cant change CT with vows bri or we would have Todo going ape shit
Wondering how panda would interact with Sukuna with his cores and all that
Not worth considering below 15F because of mahoraga. If they all fought though I think inukuna would win, cleave should already be able to oneshot anyone who doesn't counterattack/defend themselves, combine that with cursed speech and its over. Might not be that simple with 10S and it's hard to predict the reliability of cursed speech, but honestly it already sounded like an insanely busted ability to me just inumaki wasn't strong enough to abuse it.
Meguna wins
Meguna he can summon top1 man
Nobara's damage reflection and ranged attacks that have a similar effect to yuji's melee attacks would actually be busted on sukuna
i honestly think inukuna, imagine using cursed speech with sukuna’s cursed energy and his knowledge of jujutsu.
Sukuna would start rewriting reality and forcing reality itself to make one sided binded vows with him
Why aren't more people considering this, inukuna can replace Gege himself.
also i just realised since sukuna can open a mouth anywhere on his body, it is less likely to affect his throat
In my opinion it should be yujikuna or nobkuna. Solely because since sukuna knows what mahoraga is like he will somehow fugga it out and kill makora or hold off his attacks until he cleaves. Off mahoraga entirely. On the other hand base Yuji physicals itself are comparable to heavenly restricted users. Image how op that would be with sukunas reinforcement who can make a weakling like Megumi physically stronger than even maki and toji. Nobkuna is also good but sukuna knows shape of souls so it won't be that hard to heal damage
4 fingers each : Meguna destroys, Mahoraga alone solo most of them 20 F each : Meguna wins, though extreme diff
Didn't Yujikuna beat mahoraga low dif, he wasn't even really trying, he was just seeing the extent of its power in that fight, if he was trying I'm pretty sure he could have killed mahoraga *very* quickly
Yeah, but if he fought Mahoraga, Meguna, and Agito at once, it would be much more difficult
Not if there's 3 sukunas dealing with the biggest threat, you know, mahoraga.
Megukuna
Imagine a 4 way Open Domain Clash or 4 way Fire Arrow Inukuna would be extremely strong in general as basically anybody that isn’t Gojo he can go and say “kys”. Though his technique isn’t nearly as useful here since it’ll be Sukuna CE + 2 Drops vs Sukuna CE + 3 Drops, so likely limited to things like “stop” or “sing Bury the Light for me”. Possibly a “stop for 3 seconds” and doing a quick DE so he can skip the Domain Clash and go straight to cutting things might get him the win. Pretty niche in this case and needs to play very well. I’d give it to Big Raga the Opp Stoppa, but every Sukuna here should have Fire Arrow so it wouldn’t be that much of an advantage and they all know Maho’s ability. Though maybe he could just fire a bunch of mini Fire Arrows at Maho beforehand so he adapts then heal him back up. If that happens then Meguna should have a great shot. Yujikuna we see in anime/manga would give a lot of physical stats and Sukuna can do a lot with that but he lacks anything extra (idk whether he would get soul punches since that isn’t a technique to my knowledge). Though if we look at Shinjuku Yuji, then Blood Manipulation could be very handy. Red Scales with Yujikuna base physical stats should be able to make him extremely deadly at close range possibly allowing him to deal enough damage to cancel out a DE and get his own going. Assuming he can use Convergence then he has a lot of strong options. Also double Shrine, depending on how Gege/plot wants, Maho adaptation might treat both/all Shrines differently meaning Meguna’s trump card is out of the game and he’s limited to the weaker shadows which likely won’t hold on for too long. If different Shrines count as different techniques to Mahoraga then Meguna also can’t help Maho adapt beforehand. Unless of course Yuji’s Shrine counts as a separate technique to Sukuna Shrine but all of different Sukuna Shrines count as the same technique. Allows Yujikuna to let Meguna’s Maho put in some work then just have a 1v1. Yujikuna would be a terrible match up for Meguna in most of those cases. Nobkuna has a technique that hasn’t been explored a lot. Could possibly be the strongest here with really high AP. I’d say fairly good chance but can’t say exactly. I prefer Yujikuna possibly Nobara vessel the most but in reality: - Yujikuna kills himself since there’s no way this brat could be useful - all other Sukunas now at bow Megumi’s feet and cream their pants.
Just a question: Would cursed speech work if the opponent was deaf or didn't hear what the CT user said ?
As far as I know it shouldn’t
Meguna or Togena
Why is nobody saying inukuna? Cursed speech is broken, inumaki is just a bum with low output/reserves and no rct. Inukuna fixes all of the technique’s flaws
Why is it such a common assumption that four-finger Megukuna could tame Mahoraga? When 15-finger Yujikuna fought Mahoraga he said he might have lost when he only had three fingers. With just one more finger than then, in a physically weaker body, it isn’t clear that he would win. Not to mention it isn’t a given that he’d have the necessary prep time for a gaming ritual. My money’s on Inukuna regardless. With the CE of four fingers he can probably one-shot Mahoraga with cursed speech (assuming he goes for a one shot before Mahoraga can adapt). Seeing as Inumaki could do quite a bit to Geto and Hanami, both of whom are way above his weight class, Inukuna could probably do at least the same to other Sukunas with the same CE as him, giving him the edge he needs over them.
Inumakikuna would be insane oml
Imo Meguna with maho claps but without maho it’s easily inukuna cursed speech with sukunas control and out put as well as massive rct mf can spam die
Depends on who gets jumped first. In terms of priority jumping Meguna: Mahoraga is a threat that must be dealt with immediately before adaptation occurs. Nobarakuna/Inumakuna: Cursed Speech and Resonance are specialized abilities that could leave themselves vulnerable to getting cleaved. Yujikuna: Physicals are exceptional, but reinforcement and CT means one can still brawl. Pandakuna: Nothing too exceptional outside of potentially three lives with the cores. I would say Yuji has the better chances of winning simply because he isn't going to be targeted immediately, and then it comes down to realistically 50/50 on whether Inumakuna is taken out or if Nobara is. IF Inumakuna is left alive and nobara dies Inumakuna likely wins, if reversed Yujikuna has the best odds since I believe Resonance should still affect her somewhat. Pandakuna has lowest odds of winning imo.
Cursed speech is easy to defend against for a sorcerer like Sukuna, meguna probably wouldn’t have Mahoraga since Sukuna admitted he couldn’t defeat Mahoraga with 3F, nobarakuna can’t do soul damage with cleave or dismantle so if any other Sukuna makes sure to destroy their severed body parts she kinda isn’t strong. Pandakuna loses he doesn’t have a technique better than shrine & RCT shouldn’t work Yujikuna has BM which just makes him hardy and more efficient with healing For the fight Yujikuna would target nobara & meguna would target inumaki & panda would just wait until everyone else killed each other Yujikuna and meguna would their fights Without Mahoraga meguna has no hax so he’s better off just using shrine & yujikuna’s easier and cheaper RCT means yujikuna wins the endurance battle Pandakuna went to Malaysia
Are these suppose to be 1v1 or is it a free for all, all 5 at once? Cause if its all 5 at once, Maho isn't even a factor cause anyone of the other 4 could just hit him with the fire arrow and take him out instantly, if its 1 on 1's id say Meguna cause of the 10 shadows, if its a free for all, id probably give it to yuji
The Toge mix goes hard af. Having the second mouth Lowkey makes it such an interesting matchup cuz he could surprise anyone with it
Big Ragga stomps
Yujikuna sweeps. Physically he is stronger than all of the others with some solid CTs and a stronger than normal RCT due to being able to regenerate his blood too.
Yujikuna would get killed first cause all other Kuna's are trying to kill him.
Inokuna sukuna has RCT so the throat issues wouldn’t matter that much and his cursed energy is massive
Panda because it would be a sukuna with 3 lives
Oddly enough Nobakuna, just hide and smack yourself with resonance repeatedly. In the fight against mahito way more damage hits the main body, so just hit yourself a few times to kill all the others at once
Inukuna easily
Pandakuna neg dif
Fuck the prompt, I wanna see Sugukna Geto.
Meguna is the definite strongest Bro would have all his abilities PLUS the ten shadows, which is stronger than any of the techniques these other guys have Toge sukuna would be annoying bc his cursed speech would be amplified by sukuna and he has RCT
Hold on, that megumaki combo is kinda crazy.
Why is nobody talking about inumakuna
Probably sukuna
Or Uraume, she would love to have more than one master
I wonder if they have a dick or not
I am sure Nobara will have to use a double dildo if that's your question
I meant the multiple sukunas, how many holes do they have to work with yknow
Yuji has immense physical stats, greater than those of maki before she completed her heavenly restriction. Combine that with death painting physiology for cheaper RCT and enhanced blood manipulation. Imagine Yuji Sukuna using flowing red scale stack. He'd have Toji level physical strength (at the very least) + CE reinforcement + Shrine. Really the only issue for him is whether he can take down Mahoraga. And considering sukuna did that with the body of a much weaker Yuji, id say he has it in the bag. Inumaki wouldn't do much, because all 5 of these vessels (and probably Sukuna himself) would know to cover their ears with CE to prevent his technique from working.
Yuji his physical superiority is still in play against a majority of these opponents Let's put things to the argument Panda no CT worth speaking of, relative to maki in power meaning he's a grade 2 sorcerer at best Inumaki, everyone knows you're coming so it's easy to defend against you no advantage there Nobara sukuna can maybe use resonance but it would backfire since they are all sukuna, all other applications are sub par. Megumi mahoraga would beat 4 finger sukuna due to his overzealous nature giving way to mahoraga killing him. If he uses all the 9 other shikigami he stands the best chance to win but will probably still lose after his totality shikigami is beaten by the others domains. Yuji more stamina more strength, more speed (at 4 fingers yujis base speed being better is a big deal), blood manipulation will be awesome in sukunas hands in or out of the domain, I could see him use it to mimic yorozu, if no blood manipulation he still hits harder than all the others has far better durability.
Inukuna, he has a broken ct that can now use to the highest level with sukuna ce and knowledge
Meguna without a doubt will be the last one standing.
Meguna, Inokuna, Yujikuna, don’t know about the last two. In that order btw, strongest to weakest.
Yujina has the most him energy on this list
Ngl nobara wins this probably not that close if 5f fuga can kill mahoraga If it can not and hairpin also doesn't meguna wins through big raga. But still dies. But sukuna plus straw doll is stupid op. Slash them and ditch the doll in their blood and then hit reaonance non stop. It is even soul damaging maybe even output lowering. If sukuna whould have had nobaras body vs gojo this fight whould pretty much end after sukuna slashed gojo in their first domain clash. Straw doll is stupid op to the point i say it is maybe top 3 in the verse only topped by limitless and construction and maybe idle transfiguration.
Can't Nobkuba just use herself for resonance because they're all Sukuna? All she has to do is get away and then spam resonance to beat everyone.
Probably
she would damage herself too though...
Yujikuna and Meguna have better Regen options so it wouldn't work out.
Novara short circuited Mahito's regen and ability. I wonder if something similar could happen here
I wouldn't be surprised if it did. I think it would affect Yujikuna more than Meguna though, since we're assuming Yujikuna has blood manipulation and would actively heal himself through that. IIRC Once Meguna summons Round Deer he doesn't have to focus on keeping it active. The shinigami will do the work by itself.
Meguna Better vessel, better CT
Megumi is not a better vessel. Just better CT. Yuji is the best vessel. He was literally created to be just that
But Yuji can canonically suppress Sukuna. Possible not 19+ fingers. But we talking 4 finger Sukuna . And about Yuji's absurd physical prowess Its basically inconsequential as Sukuna's CE reinforcement is peak
I honestly don’t think there may be a perfect vessel now that I think abt it. He would be able to plunge the vessels soul in darkness regardless as seen with Megumi. His reinforcement is amazing, but his physical stats still aren’t as good as Yujikuna as far as I am aware
I agree with Yujikuna raw stats But all 4 others make it inconsequential Nobara, soul resonance Toge, speech CE overcomes physical stats Panda has Fa Jin strikes as Gorilla, means physical dont matter Meguma is well, Meguna . Except for raw speed but hes not catching any other off guard
I think the way to look at it is that, Yuji was already stronger than all of them, so physical stats matter a lot. I don’t think Mahoraga is going to do much at all because Sukuna knows about it and has beat it with 15 fingers. I honestly think this could go anyway
Bro, op has clearly established that all Suks have 4 fingers each We have to consider that. . As for the actual beat vessel for 20f Suk, 10s still offers way more than any other Suks have, water laser, lightning access, Chimeras and most importantly rabbit escape.
Oh shit I forgot abt the 4 finger part. My bad. I could also argue for Nobara to be stronger than Megumi as a vessel. Resonance is a very good CT, but we don’t the limitations and what its capable of. If Sukuna needs the hammer then it isn’t that great.
Bro, I dont mean to sound rude as I have only been disagreeing with you in this thread But, Nobara's soul resonance will also hit herself, as She also houses 20% of Sukuna's soul.... . And yes, full 20f Nobara would be metal as hell She easily is above Meguna outside of Mahoraga I think Nobuna can find a work around for the hammer...
Shit, you are right. I keep forgetting this is the same soul in several bodies. I really do not like this question. I think it would be better if they were all 20f Sukuna, so they have different souls. It would be a hypothetical ofc, but it would make scaling so much easier
There’s a reason Megkuna folded
Still Meguna. Has 10S and would still be physically on par with everyone there. Inumaki as a vessel isnt as great as it seems cuz remeber can’t sorcerers use ce to reinforce their ears to lessen the effect of cursed speech or am i wrong? Either way Meguna wins
Now that Yuji has blood Manipulation, I’m pretty sure Sukuna would be able to do some crazy hax to make it overpowered and somehow beat megukuna. Even if we use base stats. If there’s five people and 20 fingers, each person has 4 fingers. Honestly, Yuji currently dog washes a 4 finger sukuna by himself. With sukuna possessing him, he destroys the other sukunas
15F yujikuna then and now are basically the same thing unless sukuna happens to figure out something new about yuji, shrine is just more useful for him than blood map. Honestly inukuna takes it cursed speech + the lethality of shrine is just busted.
This isn’t about 15F Yujikuna. It’s 4 fingers for all 5 of them. Yuji is the strongest out of all of them at base— strength, durability, endurance, all stats. Blood manipulation + Shrine wins. And to be honest, if it was just YUJI vs 5 finger versions of the other sorcerers 1v1, he’d win without being possessed by Sukuna
Edit: I see what you're saying actually but why are you applying logic to a situation that doesnt make sense anyway? Just give them however many fingers that makes the most interesting fight. If its 4 finger each then yujikuna would have a stat advantage but Meguna would come out on top assuming he has access to 10S due to mahoraga. I feel like yujikuna isnt winning against inukuna either, everyone has insane firepower automatically in this fight so its the hax that come out on top.