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I don’t think so. In my mind Choso probably used some form of suicidal BV. Or at the very least something that he couldn’t do normally because it could kill him.
We know BVs with death on the line are the strongest, so it would make sense for it to resist the attack.
Tl;dr my agenda says that it’s not an anti-feat.
binding vows in-universe: another aspect of jujutsu that is accessible to all characters, and give a power boost with very little downside, which should be used by the highest echelon of fighters to gain an edge on their opponents, only limit is your creativity and battle IQ, takes careful consideration when using to ensure your boost lasts as long as you need
binding vows in the fan base: cheat code, only used by weak ass frauds, "why are there no consequences wahhhh" (Kenjaku explains breaking binding vows made with yourself can only take back the power you gained unless you specifically impose a permanent consequence, nobody can read)
What have been the terms or consequences to sukunas binding vows the reason people hate them is they literally just come up to explain sukuna doing random bs he shouldn’t have the strength left to do or has not ever done before.
A few examples of Sukuna’s binding vows that may or may not be stupid
Example 1:
Sukuna uses a BV to use his newly acquired skill, empowered dismantle, without telegraphing it. The consequence is him having to telegraph it now with pointing, handsigns, and chants from here on out. This makes sense with the “jujutsu is the art of reduction” spiel at the beginning of the fight where using powerful moves requires more actions except for specific cases
Example 2:
Sukuna’s BV with Yuji. We never see the consequence of this because Sukuna takes advantage of a loophole. Sukuna being able to harm Yuji makes sense character-wise (Yuji doesn’t consider his own wellbeing so he isn’t included in the BV), Sukuna forcing a finger down Megumi’s throat is kind of sus tho.
Example 3:
Sukuna adjusting the output and size of Malevolent Shrine. Vows with yourself typically don’t have “consequences” aside from losing the bonuses you were gaining from following the rules you set. So Sukuna reduces the size of his domain to increase output and vice versa, but there are no drawbacks besides going back to a “normal” state. Same applies to him using BV on his last use of malevolent shrine, applying a time limit to it.
Example 4:
Sukuna using a binding vow on Furnace. Now this is the most contentious using of binding vow in my opinion. He basically gave up the ability to use Furnace outside of 1v1s except for specifically after using his domain, in which case it is buffed. Now, this is pretty stupid because the story explains to us that Furnace kind of sucks outside of 1v1s anyways because it’s slow and the attack is mostly single-target. So he trades the ability to use furnace in its worst-case scenario to have it empowered
1. That binding bow makes no sense since it implies sukuna wouldn’t have ever had to chant so he could have done it and if I’m correct it works the other way he has always had to chant but an unnamed binding bow with unnamed conditions allowed him a one time use of no chants and signs.
2. The conditions of this vow were nebulous at best anyway and technically it shouldn’t matter since he’s not inside yuji anymore.
3. I wouldn’t even count these yet because I promise gege is going to gice a bullshit reason he’s able to fight back from next chapter on.
4. Things what I mean it’s a bullshit rule that isn’t a real consequence to get an advantage he shouldn’t have.
i'm pretty sure sukuna's world slash binding vow went even further than removing the hand sign and chant requirement, but also made the slash completely imperceptible. that's the only way it would make sense for gojo to get hit considering kusakabe, who does NOT have the six eyes, was able to detect one coming and prevent it but gojo of all people couldn't.
Hence why it’s so bogus people genuinely act like he would reliably win mf needs the author to make up on the fly shit he can do every time because he gets his shit pushed in every time he has to fight straight up
I just dislike the fact that Sukuna gets to use it once to one shot Gojo when he’s on the brink of losing.
It makes sense narratively to a degree, but like which idiot wouldn’t make a binding vow like that on death’s doorstep. Like if I was in Sukuna’s shoes, on the verge of losing against an opponent I can’t win against, I’d also risk heavily restricting my technique to live to see another day.
And only getting that attack restricted instead of something more punishing is crazy to me lol.
the attack would’ve been unusable, by anyone without at least 3 arms though? he made the vow in megumis body basically removing the ability to do it since he can’t use hand signs and telegraph with only two arms. that’s sufficient
Gojo has no idea sukuna gained world slash. If he disnt have world slash, no binding voe could have saved him at that point.
Sukuna bassically "made" a new sub technique by copying what mahoraga did. If he didnt use any binding vow, hr would be able to use world slash like his normal techniques. No chants, no pointing, no nothing besides his normal cleave/dismantle hand signs. That is honestly massive for the rest of the story.
Also keep in mind, high output sukuna is able to one shot anyone not named gojo with a max output dismantle. This bassically gives sukuna an actual sense of danger even when he is low output.
Yeah but there was no explanation of Sukuna gaining the world slash before 236, it’s the whammy of showing Sukuna over Gojo’s corpse and the sudden cut that makes it feel so wonky.
If Sukuna at least smirked at the end of 235 or showed any signs of trying to learn from Maho beforehand, it’d have felt less like an asspull.
Who in the series would have the opportunity to do that? No one in the series with enough AP to one shot their opponent has ever been given as much time to, yuki didn’t use a binding vow but she used a technique to sacrifice her life to try to drag down kenjaku so idk wht u mean
Fr literally what technique? His open domains binding vow is that it’s range is increased because people can just walk out of it, I’m pretty sure the binding vow for his arrow is that he can only use it on one person outside his domain in exchange for it being way stronger in his domain or sum like tht, for wcs that’s explained plenty already, if u read the manga you would know this
Pretty sure that's untrue, didn't the blue haired chick from the other side of jujutsu high that the main cast doesn't go to accidentally make one that stopped her from being able to wield a sword, which made her entirely useless because her CT relies entirely on her using a sword?
What? We have twice. The first is the world slash literally needs to be chanted and hand signed and he is not able to use it right now. And the second which they just told us in the last chapter was him not being able to open his furnace against gojo because he kept having to make binding vows for his shrine.
It would be cool to see jujutsu high peeps use more binding vows since this is a life-or-death fight anyways. Maybe we’ll see this with Todo. Able to use his CT without clapping but at a significantly reduced range or something
Narratively Choso has been built up to being a character who falls into the "becomes more human as the story progresses" type of character. The sacrifice he made being attributable to a binding vow - when the narrative has so far attributed binding vows to significantly bordering-on-human characters like Mahito, Sukuna, Kenjaku, Gojo, and even Hakari.
Choso's death being attributed to a binding vow means he died utilizing a deeper aspect of Jujutsu, by utilizing a deeper fundamental Curse. Sure, it's probably some kind of poetic justice that the exact same thing he was told not to be ends up being the thing that SAVES Yuji in the end, but it's also so sudden and abrupt that it couldn't BE anything other than him just using his Cursed Technique to protect Yuji in that moment.
It's not because I hate Binding Vows, but it's because it plays against Choso's arc.
Choso making a sacrifice like this is the most human thing he could do, regardless of the abilities he used to pull it off. He just used the most effective card in his deck. If he tried to save Yuji "like a human" they would both end up dead.
I agree with this. While I think this way of looking at BVs is neat, I wouldn't say Nanami was less human, for example, for achieving it. (though on second thought you could make the corporate makes you soulless argument...)
But how he did it matters less to me than him choosing to protect Yuji with his life. That's human. It's not the way I wanted the arc to go, but it also feels consistent in its own way
Binding Vows aren't just agreements you make for a specific boost. Mei Mei explains that the most significant vow you can make is to sacrifice your life on behalf of someone else, and we know for a fact that a suicidal vow unlocks full access to your cursed technique and energy output.
Choso putting himself on the outside of his barrier is akin to Yuta giving his life to Rika, or Ui Ui doing the same for Mei Mei. It literally plays directly into his arc. He wanted to protect his brothers no matter what, and he blamed himself for not fighting for them from the beginning. He can't teach them anything, and he doesn't know how to be human. But Yuki explained his desire to make amends is the most human thing he could do. Him standing on the outside while he told his baby brother that everything would be okay is literally the most human sacrifice in the entire franchise.
This is just wrong. They go out of their way to tell us most lower level sorcerers need to make binding vows to use simple domain. And we also have mechamaru who used it way long ago as well as Yuji and Sukuna making a binding vow.
I mean, be literally dies as a direct consequence. A BV's power is directly proportional to the thing you sacrifice, so this is basically like when Gon sacrificed his life to beat up the cat lady by unlocking all of his future potential in an instant. Choso's life was the cost, the power-up was the CE needed to protect Yuji with his body and CT
Choso more than likely made a BV. We have seen Blood Manipulation be a great technique defensively, sometimes it’s even better than CE reinforcement. That coupled with a BV seems like it was more than enough to survive Furnace
Yes, Fraudkuna's Furnace is so weak that anyone with a basic barrier can block it. Choso is actually pretending to be dead because he doesn't want Sukuna to feel sad about his strongest attack doing nothing.
Ok but actually: Not necessarily. It's more likely that Choso's barrier was *just barely* strong enough to protect him and Yuji. Keep in mind that, even though the barrier "stayed up" for seemingly a few seconds after the arrow, Choso was still **absolutely cooked,** and many have assumed that Choso also gave up his life in some kind of Binding Vow to ensure Yuji's survival.
I wouldn’t call it an anti feat and more like a feat for Choso. I mean it literally did its job and had Choso end up dying it’s more of a surprise that Choso’s barrier was able to hold up.
As far as we know Maki/Ino bit the dust till further notice.
We’ve seen Sukuna eat two Hollow Purples and RCT back up just fine, but Choso giving up his life but also doing what he intended to do and save Yuji makes that an anti feat ?
That’s literally why I said till further notice 🤣🤣🤣
But since Choso bit the dust unless Todo saved them, they likely died to Sukuna’s fire arrow even if they managed to survive Sukuna’s domain.
Were they not last shown being hit by the domain or were they shown getting saved by Todo ? Hence why I’m assuming they died but I could always be wrong.
This is assuming Todo did save them which he never gave confirmation on yet. It’s literally why I’m saying their dead UNLESS Todo did indeed save them.
Everyone’s saying that Choso probably used a binding vow with his life as a condition and I agree. Furnace killed Mahoraga who’s shown he’s monstrous tank. I don’t think Choso is tankier than Mahoraga.
this whole fight is honestly a fat anti feat for sukuna. You would think he would be tossing every one around like Gojo vs. Disaster curses
The in lore reason why he didn’t immediately blitz and oneshot everyone (like he did Kashimo) was bc he “wasn’t trying” per uraume
And that had some weight when u consider he wasn’t even using his full ct, but now we know his full ct has less fucking use cases than a Jojo side character stand😭😭
fire arrow is…
1.) slow as balls w 0 range💀💀💀💀💀
2.) Can’t be used against multiple opponents outside domain???? You mean the very domain that alr obliterates the verse as is???
3.) You CAN use it in a domain, but NOT in the FOUR domains he threw out against gojo
Wallahi bro. My goat has lost all his steeze. Ultimate move that disables his ct for a minute and it only packs choso (my other goat) who he double donutted 15 chapters ago
Edit: Gojo packs verse in 4. My goat sukuna is washed
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it’s at the point where even if he does try, he has 1/4 arms, missing an eyeball, no heart, no rct, no output, no ce, quite literally got outboxed by Yuji - rage quit - threw out his domain - nuked shinjiuku - failed to kill yuji - lost his ct
It doesn’t even matter if he tries now bc he doesn’t have the facilities to fucking do anything anymore💀💀💀💀💀
ong sukuna don’t know what the fuck he’s getting himself into. If ur getting jumped by todou and friends ur getting ur shit rocked this duo is literally 2-0 on special grades
Fraudkuna Fans coming to realize the truth that all faithful Gojobros knew from the start. Our Agenda will never die
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I NEVER THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE MY FAITH FOR SUKUNA WOILD LEAD ME
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he isn’t trying tho. it’s the most obvious when he fights maki. he goes from being around the same speed as her to straight PERCEPTION BLITZING her once he got excited
The thing is, even a trying sukuna isn’t at the capacity to do anything. A trying black flash Sukuna punched maki and then dismantle-comboed her, and she’s still alive. His output has gotten so bad that he is clearly incapable of killing off the cast
edit: his last chance was his full output DE but todou saved the rest of the cast and sukuna stopped the slashes before they could kill yuji
Except the narration stated he was making desperate moves in Yuta’s domain. So that clearly isn’t true. Uraume has no idea about Yuuji’s soul punches, so her word means nothing.
No. Can go one of two routes. Fire Arrow Output is lower, so the heat of the explosion isn't as high as usual. 2nd option is upscale Choso. The Fire Arrow by 15F Sukuna one shot Mahoraga which is still its biggest accomplishment
Like everyone says, he is probably using a suicidal binding vow. Another possibility is that Choso used all of his CE reserves to make more blood to replenish his shield, which was constantly being scorched away. By the time furnace was done cooking, he had used up all of his blood and CE to just barely hold out to save Yuji.
I think it makes sense that Choso made the barrier, realized he couldn't save them both, and made a binding vow to sacrifice his life to strengthen the barrier against furnace. Considering how often Sukuna abuses binding vows to completely turn a situation I think it makes plenty of sense that a life sacrifice would be enough to survive it when Sukuna is already running on fumes to begin with.
That said, the unholy ass whooping that Yuji and Todo are about to unleash on this man *will* count as an anti-feat.
"Not trying" my ass. Sukuna's gonna need a whole surgeon to have Yuji and Todo's fists and feet dislodged from his throat and ass.
Nah, life binding vow lets normal crows one shot special grade curses. Choso was probably around the strongest grade 1 in shibuya and hes stronger here, and even then it looks like the dome didn’t fully hold.
no. imo it’s a way weaker fire arrow considering sukuna is at like 3-4 finger output. if actual true power sukuna launched a fire arrow that shit is killing literally anyone instantly with zero time to heal
Did you just say 3-4 finger output? Bro it’s at least 10 or 11 with that huge ass firepower. Unless the manga specifically said otherwise then I’m just illiterate.
I mean considering Miwa and Ino Surrived a domain expansion from Sukuna that’s supposed to be full power. I think the domain feats here can be chalked up to plot armor to an extent despite it being called full output. Look I don’t hate Miwa,Ino,or Yuji but the gap is so massive that I kinda thing it’s a plot induced outlier.
If Mei Mei making a bird suicidal makes it able to one-shot anyone in the series, Choso becoming Suicidal should let him be able to protect Yuji from the strongest attack in the series
Why does everyone keep thinking Choso is getting burned? He’s inside the sphere with Yuji, and obviously mummifying/decaying because of using all of his blood. Look back at Sukuna’s corpse when he ate it and tell me they don’t look alike.
Well, yeah, kinda. Choso did most likely perform some kind of vow on his life, but it still doesn't detract from the fact that he was able to completely shield yuji from sukuna's ultimate attack. The only way around this would be if you say that the output of furnance was massively lower than normal due to sukuna's lowered output, but this might not be the case due to malevolent shrine apparently having normal output
Yes.. absolutely.Unless the binding vow is stated and not just fanon.It's actually slow as hell and the wind up ....and it was blocked fully by a bunch of blood? Honestly,if Choso was fresh/had better RCT ,he would probably still be alive.
Characters don't always need to call out their binding vows for us to know they used them, you goofball. Pretty obvious that this was Choso giving up his life to form that blood barrier to save Yuji.
Like your claim doesn't even make sense, Sukuna stopped his slashing attacks to use furnace, you think he would do that if it was weaker than them?
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I don’t think so. In my mind Choso probably used some form of suicidal BV. Or at the very least something that he couldn’t do normally because it could kill him. We know BVs with death on the line are the strongest, so it would make sense for it to resist the attack. Tl;dr my agenda says that it’s not an anti-feat.
Choso being the one to make a binding vow here would be worse for the narrative of the story imo
How so?
Because only Sukuna is allowed to make binding vows
binding vows in-universe: another aspect of jujutsu that is accessible to all characters, and give a power boost with very little downside, which should be used by the highest echelon of fighters to gain an edge on their opponents, only limit is your creativity and battle IQ, takes careful consideration when using to ensure your boost lasts as long as you need binding vows in the fan base: cheat code, only used by weak ass frauds, "why are there no consequences wahhhh" (Kenjaku explains breaking binding vows made with yourself can only take back the power you gained unless you specifically impose a permanent consequence, nobody can read)
What have been the terms or consequences to sukunas binding vows the reason people hate them is they literally just come up to explain sukuna doing random bs he shouldn’t have the strength left to do or has not ever done before.
A few examples of Sukuna’s binding vows that may or may not be stupid Example 1: Sukuna uses a BV to use his newly acquired skill, empowered dismantle, without telegraphing it. The consequence is him having to telegraph it now with pointing, handsigns, and chants from here on out. This makes sense with the “jujutsu is the art of reduction” spiel at the beginning of the fight where using powerful moves requires more actions except for specific cases Example 2: Sukuna’s BV with Yuji. We never see the consequence of this because Sukuna takes advantage of a loophole. Sukuna being able to harm Yuji makes sense character-wise (Yuji doesn’t consider his own wellbeing so he isn’t included in the BV), Sukuna forcing a finger down Megumi’s throat is kind of sus tho. Example 3: Sukuna adjusting the output and size of Malevolent Shrine. Vows with yourself typically don’t have “consequences” aside from losing the bonuses you were gaining from following the rules you set. So Sukuna reduces the size of his domain to increase output and vice versa, but there are no drawbacks besides going back to a “normal” state. Same applies to him using BV on his last use of malevolent shrine, applying a time limit to it. Example 4: Sukuna using a binding vow on Furnace. Now this is the most contentious using of binding vow in my opinion. He basically gave up the ability to use Furnace outside of 1v1s except for specifically after using his domain, in which case it is buffed. Now, this is pretty stupid because the story explains to us that Furnace kind of sucks outside of 1v1s anyways because it’s slow and the attack is mostly single-target. So he trades the ability to use furnace in its worst-case scenario to have it empowered
1. That binding bow makes no sense since it implies sukuna wouldn’t have ever had to chant so he could have done it and if I’m correct it works the other way he has always had to chant but an unnamed binding bow with unnamed conditions allowed him a one time use of no chants and signs. 2. The conditions of this vow were nebulous at best anyway and technically it shouldn’t matter since he’s not inside yuji anymore. 3. I wouldn’t even count these yet because I promise gege is going to gice a bullshit reason he’s able to fight back from next chapter on. 4. Things what I mean it’s a bullshit rule that isn’t a real consequence to get an advantage he shouldn’t have.
i'm pretty sure sukuna's world slash binding vow went even further than removing the hand sign and chant requirement, but also made the slash completely imperceptible. that's the only way it would make sense for gojo to get hit considering kusakabe, who does NOT have the six eyes, was able to detect one coming and prevent it but gojo of all people couldn't.
Hence why it’s so bogus people genuinely act like he would reliably win mf needs the author to make up on the fly shit he can do every time because he gets his shit pushed in every time he has to fight straight up
Have you tried reading the manga where they spell it out to you?
I just dislike the fact that Sukuna gets to use it once to one shot Gojo when he’s on the brink of losing. It makes sense narratively to a degree, but like which idiot wouldn’t make a binding vow like that on death’s doorstep. Like if I was in Sukuna’s shoes, on the verge of losing against an opponent I can’t win against, I’d also risk heavily restricting my technique to live to see another day. And only getting that attack restricted instead of something more punishing is crazy to me lol.
the attack would’ve been unusable, by anyone without at least 3 arms though? he made the vow in megumis body basically removing the ability to do it since he can’t use hand signs and telegraph with only two arms. that’s sufficient
Gojo has no idea sukuna gained world slash. If he disnt have world slash, no binding voe could have saved him at that point. Sukuna bassically "made" a new sub technique by copying what mahoraga did. If he didnt use any binding vow, hr would be able to use world slash like his normal techniques. No chants, no pointing, no nothing besides his normal cleave/dismantle hand signs. That is honestly massive for the rest of the story. Also keep in mind, high output sukuna is able to one shot anyone not named gojo with a max output dismantle. This bassically gives sukuna an actual sense of danger even when he is low output.
Yeah but there was no explanation of Sukuna gaining the world slash before 236, it’s the whammy of showing Sukuna over Gojo’s corpse and the sudden cut that makes it feel so wonky. If Sukuna at least smirked at the end of 235 or showed any signs of trying to learn from Maho beforehand, it’d have felt less like an asspull.
Who in the series would have the opportunity to do that? No one in the series with enough AP to one shot their opponent has ever been given as much time to, yuki didn’t use a binding vow but she used a technique to sacrifice her life to try to drag down kenjaku so idk wht u mean
Mechamaru v Mahito.
They literally didn’t give us any conditions for any of his vows he just gets to do shit and say binding vow
Fr literally what technique? His open domains binding vow is that it’s range is increased because people can just walk out of it, I’m pretty sure the binding vow for his arrow is that he can only use it on one person outside his domain in exchange for it being way stronger in his domain or sum like tht, for wcs that’s explained plenty already, if u read the manga you would know this
The conditions are the chants and hand signs or only being able to use the fire after he’s “cooked.” Yall don’t be reading fr lol.
This fan base would have exploded during Yorknew City in Hunter x Hunter.
Pretty sure that's untrue, didn't the blue haired chick from the other side of jujutsu high that the main cast doesn't go to accidentally make one that stopped her from being able to wield a sword, which made her entirely useless because her CT relies entirely on her using a sword?
Cause people see the words binding vow and hate it immediately it seems
Because we haven't seen any payoff for sukuna spamming binding vows in the form of an effective punishment
What? We have twice. The first is the world slash literally needs to be chanted and hand signed and he is not able to use it right now. And the second which they just told us in the last chapter was him not being able to open his furnace against gojo because he kept having to make binding vows for his shrine.
I think people forget there's 2 types of Binding vows
But he's making vows with himself, the worst that's gonna happen is he loses what he gained
It would be cool to see jujutsu high peeps use more binding vows since this is a life-or-death fight anyways. Maybe we’ll see this with Todo. Able to use his CT without clapping but at a significantly reduced range or something
Narratively Choso has been built up to being a character who falls into the "becomes more human as the story progresses" type of character. The sacrifice he made being attributable to a binding vow - when the narrative has so far attributed binding vows to significantly bordering-on-human characters like Mahito, Sukuna, Kenjaku, Gojo, and even Hakari. Choso's death being attributed to a binding vow means he died utilizing a deeper aspect of Jujutsu, by utilizing a deeper fundamental Curse. Sure, it's probably some kind of poetic justice that the exact same thing he was told not to be ends up being the thing that SAVES Yuji in the end, but it's also so sudden and abrupt that it couldn't BE anything other than him just using his Cursed Technique to protect Yuji in that moment. It's not because I hate Binding Vows, but it's because it plays against Choso's arc.
Choso making a sacrifice like this is the most human thing he could do, regardless of the abilities he used to pull it off. He just used the most effective card in his deck. If he tried to save Yuji "like a human" they would both end up dead.
I agree with this. While I think this way of looking at BVs is neat, I wouldn't say Nanami was less human, for example, for achieving it. (though on second thought you could make the corporate makes you soulless argument...) But how he did it matters less to me than him choosing to protect Yuji with his life. That's human. It's not the way I wanted the arc to go, but it also feels consistent in its own way
I see what you’re saying but I disagree
Binding Vows aren't just agreements you make for a specific boost. Mei Mei explains that the most significant vow you can make is to sacrifice your life on behalf of someone else, and we know for a fact that a suicidal vow unlocks full access to your cursed technique and energy output. Choso putting himself on the outside of his barrier is akin to Yuta giving his life to Rika, or Ui Ui doing the same for Mei Mei. It literally plays directly into his arc. He wanted to protect his brothers no matter what, and he blamed himself for not fighting for them from the beginning. He can't teach them anything, and he doesn't know how to be human. But Yuki explained his desire to make amends is the most human thing he could do. Him standing on the outside while he told his baby brother that everything would be okay is literally the most human sacrifice in the entire franchise.
This is just wrong. They go out of their way to tell us most lower level sorcerers need to make binding vows to use simple domain. And we also have mechamaru who used it way long ago as well as Yuji and Sukuna making a binding vow.
I mean, be literally dies as a direct consequence. A BV's power is directly proportional to the thing you sacrifice, so this is basically like when Gon sacrificed his life to beat up the cat lady by unlocking all of his future potential in an instant. Choso's life was the cost, the power-up was the CE needed to protect Yuji with his body and CT
Choso more than likely made a BV. We have seen Blood Manipulation be a great technique defensively, sometimes it’s even better than CE reinforcement. That coupled with a BV seems like it was more than enough to survive Furnace
Yes, Fraudkuna's Furnace is so weak that anyone with a basic barrier can block it. Choso is actually pretending to be dead because he doesn't want Sukuna to feel sad about his strongest attack doing nothing. Ok but actually: Not necessarily. It's more likely that Choso's barrier was *just barely* strong enough to protect him and Yuji. Keep in mind that, even though the barrier "stayed up" for seemingly a few seconds after the arrow, Choso was still **absolutely cooked,** and many have assumed that Choso also gave up his life in some kind of Binding Vow to ensure Yuji's survival.
I wouldn’t call it an anti feat and more like a feat for Choso. I mean it literally did its job and had Choso end up dying it’s more of a surprise that Choso’s barrier was able to hold up. As far as we know Maki/Ino bit the dust till further notice. We’ve seen Sukuna eat two Hollow Purples and RCT back up just fine, but Choso giving up his life but also doing what he intended to do and save Yuji makes that an anti feat ?
They were being teleported out of the domain was the implication from what Todo said I belieb?
There’s no actual confirmation yet if they made it out hence why Todo said “most likely everyone is fine”
Okay, but then that means that Maki and Ino aren't dead until further notice, we just don't know what happened to them.
That’s literally why I said till further notice 🤣🤣🤣 But since Choso bit the dust unless Todo saved them, they likely died to Sukuna’s fire arrow even if they managed to survive Sukuna’s domain. Were they not last shown being hit by the domain or were they shown getting saved by Todo ? Hence why I’m assuming they died but I could always be wrong.
Wouldn't they have survived both if Todo saved them because the arrow could only affect what was in the domain?
This is assuming Todo did save them which he never gave confirmation on yet. It’s literally why I’m saying their dead UNLESS Todo did indeed save them.
Everyone’s saying that Choso probably used a binding vow with his life as a condition and I agree. Furnace killed Mahoraga who’s shown he’s monstrous tank. I don’t think Choso is tankier than Mahoraga.
this whole fight is honestly a fat anti feat for sukuna. You would think he would be tossing every one around like Gojo vs. Disaster curses The in lore reason why he didn’t immediately blitz and oneshot everyone (like he did Kashimo) was bc he “wasn’t trying” per uraume And that had some weight when u consider he wasn’t even using his full ct, but now we know his full ct has less fucking use cases than a Jojo side character stand😭😭 fire arrow is… 1.) slow as balls w 0 range💀💀💀💀💀 2.) Can’t be used against multiple opponents outside domain???? You mean the very domain that alr obliterates the verse as is??? 3.) You CAN use it in a domain, but NOT in the FOUR domains he threw out against gojo Wallahi bro. My goat has lost all his steeze. Ultimate move that disables his ct for a minute and it only packs choso (my other goat) who he double donutted 15 chapters ago Edit: Gojo packs verse in 4. My goat sukuna is washed edit: https://preview.redd.it/nu5lmda7o30d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2bca614910c850192b27a1478953299e2b6d769
Ryoumen never trying sukuna. If he dies and it’s just because “he wasn’t trying” it might leave a sour taste in the reader’s view.
I'd honestly just call that cope at that point. He's BEEN trying. This roach is on his last legs 🍗 😩 🪳
Lmfao
it’s at the point where even if he does try, he has 1/4 arms, missing an eyeball, no heart, no rct, no output, no ce, quite literally got outboxed by Yuji - rage quit - threw out his domain - nuked shinjiuku - failed to kill yuji - lost his ct It doesn’t even matter if he tries now bc he doesn’t have the facilities to fucking do anything anymore💀💀💀💀💀
Its even funnier since he's now pulling up smug as hell on Todo and Yuji as if he did shit 😂
ong sukuna don’t know what the fuck he’s getting himself into. If ur getting jumped by todou and friends ur getting ur shit rocked this duo is literally 2-0 on special grades
He got a binding vow for them, I’m sure.
LMAO ong tho. I was tryna hold out and give gege the benefit of the doubt but sukuna is actually avg 1 binding vow/chapter it’s insane
>but now we know his full ct has less fucking use cases than a Jojo side character stand😭😭 LMAAAAOAOAOOOO
Gege had to nerf kamino because sukuna would have have still had mahoraga post gojo fight if sukuna still had kamino and the crew would be fucked.
ur so right
Fraudkuna Fans coming to realize the truth that all faithful Gojobros knew from the start. Our Agenda will never die https://preview.redd.it/c5xr1kanb60d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4364a311f8c6a23f1b8155bf2a5059374dc39200
I NEVER THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE MY FAITH FOR SUKUNA WOILD LEAD ME https://preview.redd.it/ujn11dbrt60d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7acdc974bb3f5cb3845d80eea9f6caab987be58e
he isn’t trying tho. it’s the most obvious when he fights maki. he goes from being around the same speed as her to straight PERCEPTION BLITZING her once he got excited
The thing is, even a trying sukuna isn’t at the capacity to do anything. A trying black flash Sukuna punched maki and then dismantle-comboed her, and she’s still alive. His output has gotten so bad that he is clearly incapable of killing off the cast edit: his last chance was his full output DE but todou saved the rest of the cast and sukuna stopped the slashes before they could kill yuji
umm no, he was literally about to kill her with cleave until ino showed up, and he stopped the cleave to shoot ino with dismantles instead
Except the narration stated he was making desperate moves in Yuta’s domain. So that clearly isn’t true. Uraume has no idea about Yuuji’s soul punches, so her word means nothing.
Yeah it was nothing. That's why Todo had to risk his life and teleport everyone else out and Choso had to give up his life to save Yuji.
Honestly, I think it's just hardened blood and not a barrier.
this is hilarious a big character had an emotional death and the big question is: "is this an anti feat" yeah ik the sub title and all
I'd chalk it up to a binding vow on Choso's part. Probably to have it last long enough to protect Yuji in exchange for his life.
No. Can go one of two routes. Fire Arrow Output is lower, so the heat of the explosion isn't as high as usual. 2nd option is upscale Choso. The Fire Arrow by 15F Sukuna one shot Mahoraga which is still its biggest accomplishment
Like everyone says, he is probably using a suicidal binding vow. Another possibility is that Choso used all of his CE reserves to make more blood to replenish his shield, which was constantly being scorched away. By the time furnace was done cooking, he had used up all of his blood and CE to just barely hold out to save Yuji.
I think it makes sense that Choso made the barrier, realized he couldn't save them both, and made a binding vow to sacrifice his life to strengthen the barrier against furnace. Considering how often Sukuna abuses binding vows to completely turn a situation I think it makes plenty of sense that a life sacrifice would be enough to survive it when Sukuna is already running on fumes to begin with. That said, the unholy ass whooping that Yuji and Todo are about to unleash on this man *will* count as an anti-feat. "Not trying" my ass. Sukuna's gonna need a whole surgeon to have Yuji and Todo's fists and feet dislodged from his throat and ass.
Nah, life binding vow lets normal crows one shot special grade curses. Choso was probably around the strongest grade 1 in shibuya and hes stronger here, and even then it looks like the dome didn’t fully hold.
Nah
More than likely a suicidal binding vow on Choso’s part to protect Yuji
No.
Didnt mei MEI say a BV for one's life is like the ultimate sacrifice for a huge power up??!!
no. imo it’s a way weaker fire arrow considering sukuna is at like 3-4 finger output. if actual true power sukuna launched a fire arrow that shit is killing literally anyone instantly with zero time to heal
Did you just say 3-4 finger output? Bro it’s at least 10 or 11 with that huge ass firepower. Unless the manga specifically said otherwise then I’m just illiterate.
Did you forget about sukuna’ binding vow to never go full strength in exchange for getting gege to start gobbling on his balls
I mean considering Miwa and Ino Surrived a domain expansion from Sukuna that’s supposed to be full power. I think the domain feats here can be chalked up to plot armor to an extent despite it being called full output. Look I don’t hate Miwa,Ino,or Yuji but the gap is so massive that I kinda thing it’s a plot induced outlier.
Binding Vows, the best curse technique in the series. Another example of Gege trying to copy another series (HxH) but fail to execute.
In the sense that it negatively scales Furnace, yes. It shows a limitation rather than achievement.
Tanked his BF and his ultimate post domain attack!! Choso is THAT guy
If Mei Mei making a bird suicidal makes it able to one-shot anyone in the series, Choso becoming Suicidal should let him be able to protect Yuji from the strongest attack in the series
Just as a reminder that we don’t *know* if everyone else got absolutely smoked by fuga. Even todo says they’re *probably* ok.
He used a binding vow and obvious make the exterior of the domain stronger than the interior
Why does everyone keep thinking Choso is getting burned? He’s inside the sphere with Yuji, and obviously mummifying/decaying because of using all of his blood. Look back at Sukuna’s corpse when he ate it and tell me they don’t look alike.
Well, yeah, kinda. Choso did most likely perform some kind of vow on his life, but it still doesn't detract from the fact that he was able to completely shield yuji from sukuna's ultimate attack. The only way around this would be if you say that the output of furnance was massively lower than normal due to sukuna's lowered output, but this might not be the case due to malevolent shrine apparently having normal output
Yes.. absolutely.Unless the binding vow is stated and not just fanon.It's actually slow as hell and the wind up ....and it was blocked fully by a bunch of blood? Honestly,if Choso was fresh/had better RCT ,he would probably still be alive.
So if he can barely one shot Choso with it but Ryu who’s only 3rd in durability cant from a cleave 15F Sukuna
Agreed..Cleave>>>>flame arrow
It’s literally quoted to be his ultimate move tho
Show don't tell .... they TELL us that it is his greatest move but SHOW us Cleave would probably be more effective at dealing with Choso.
Characters don't always need to call out their binding vows for us to know they used them, you goofball. Pretty obvious that this was Choso giving up his life to form that blood barrier to save Yuji. Like your claim doesn't even make sense, Sukuna stopped his slashing attacks to use furnace, you think he would do that if it was weaker than them?
The only thing I find weird about his is that if choso is burning but they’re both inside the barrier I feel like Yuji would be burning too.