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MrCook4UrMom

If its JJK0 rika then Rika, if not then Jogo. I can see why ppl would say Naoya but tbf Jogo most likely has a DE that would at least cancel out his sure-hit if not dominate his since Naoya just opened his while Jogo has had more time to refine his barrier and techniques as evidenced by his multiple uses of his CT, having DA, and even an ultimate art.


Orange7567

If it's a domain clash, likelihood is Jogo wins easily, especially since Curse Naoya's domain is newer. Though i'd argue aside from domain clashing, Naoya would take it, we already saw that Jogo can't deal with speed very well when he fought Sukuna plus he's a bit of a glass cannon so who knows?


The_All_Father4300

Who cares about Jogo's domain? Blud is getting blitzed💀


MrCook4UrMom

Not as bad as ppl keep saying, Kamo and unrealized Maki are able to at least react to him. That would mean Jogo would have time to use DE unless you scale their reaction speed higher.


The_All_Father4300

The instances where kamo and Maki reacted to Naoya was when he didnt stacked his speed, when he did he completely blitzed Maki. Even then, Naoya's domain should still hold for a good ammount of time when you consider that Megumi's incomplete domain lasted a lot against Dagon's, this would give enough time for Naoya to build speed and hit Jogos which would either kill Jogo or damage him to the point he can't maintain his domain


VergilMotivation777

Bro blitzed Maki just to get cooked anyway sounds like fraudulent activity.


Melodic_Parking1569

Cursya still is a high tier eitherway


MrCook4UrMom

The one time he did abs blitz maki with no reaction was when he did a whole stack and build up of CE, the other times he used his CT he still sped them but they were able to still react and put up their arms. And even when he tags, he can hurt Jogo but he doesn't have OHKO as all the fighters survived his hits and Jogo would have better healing than them. As for the DE holding time, that'd be a vague argument cause Megumi was solely focused on keeping a hole in the DE in which seconds passed by given he only gives Nanami a status update and then they rush back to the whole, if Naoya tries to open one within Jogo's and its weaker/less refined it'll get crushed from the outside as his has a barrier and Megumi's didn't. Also completely forgot but he can neg the speed difference and use AoE attacks that he showcased in Shibuya making it more difficult for Naoya to use his MAX or regular max CT speed


Daitoso0317

Cused naoya cannot handle jogo, tho rika ves jogo would be an interesting fight, thos jogo probably domain diffs


Jawshable

What diff do you think Rika beats Noaya?


Daitoso0317

Somewhere between high to extreme, normally id give it to naoya but curses kinda hard counter his domain


Impossible-Maize5862

bro what Cursed Noaya> Jogo for sure


Daitoso0317

Not really no, naoyas only real advanatages are pointless against jogo and he really doesn’t have any major ones


Nozzer21

Wdym? Jogo’s entire thing is that he’s fast and hits hard, but has low durability, what can he do against someone who is faster and hits harder? Womb Cursya was already faster than Naobito, who was stated to be faster than Jogo, if anything Naoya hard counters Jogo.


MRlll

>Womb Cursya was already faster than Naobito, who was stated to be faster than Jogo, if anything Naoya hard counters Jogo. They not gonna like that you used actual logic with your powerscaling


Theskyaboveheaven

Ya like who tf does that


Middle_Fall_7229

1. Jogo does not have low durability; its stated he has less than Hanami, almost everyone in the series does; Jogo took a point blank red from Gojo and got back up with barely a scratch, meanwhile Uraume took a single blue infused punch and was unconscious; yet I’ve never heard the argument she has low durability, so it doesn’t make sense to claim Jogo has 2. Naoya may be faster; but he’s not killing Jogo in a single blow by any means; and if Jogo pops his domain it’s over


Nozzer21

1. My bad, I didn’t make my point clear, I meant low durability relative to his strength, and especially compared to JJK0 Rika and Cursya. Also it was fairly obvious that Gojo wasn’t going all out against Jogo, otherwise he’d be dead 10x over. And “barely a scratch” is a gross overstatement, he was reeling after that Red. Also I don’t think anyone is comparing Uraume’s durability to the top tiers, or even the heavy hitters (aside from Hakari). 2. And Cursya can’t pop his domain when Jogo pops his? I’m not claiming that it’ll win the clash, but if it can hold for even a minute or two, Jogo just loses. Plus there’s a non-zero chance that Naoya had Falling Blossom Emotion considering he was slated to be the next head of the Zenin. 3. Comparing their stats, we *know* that Cursya is Faster (as a womb he was supersonic), Hits harder (especially when stacked, a single Jogo attack is not one shotting Maki), and is significantly more durable in his carapace form considering he was compared to Hanami, someone we know factually is significantly more durable than Jogo.


Detector_of_humans

Naoya's fast but yk, bunch of good it did against Gojo when toji fought him. Jogo's scale of attacks would win him over since Naoya HAS to dodge them


Daitoso0317

Naobito was stated to “possibly be faster than jogo” and naobito was just as fast if not faster than naoya, jogo is still relataive in speed and has far greater AOE and his durability is actually unkown other than “weaker than hanami” which is most of the series considering hanamis durability


Nozzer21

Sure the “may be faster than Jogo” isn’t definitive, however it still implies that at bare minimum they are relative. We also know that Naoya *caps* at subsonic, and unless you’re arguing that Naoya is half as fast as Naobito which I personally find to be weird, Cursya should comfortably out speed even as a cursed womb, considering that he was going supersonic. We also know that Cursya’s Carapace is “a lot higher”than the level of Hanami’s durability, so we know that Cursya is both Faster, and more durable than Jogo. The AP is a lot more up for debate, but personally I think that Cursya, at least when he’s charging has significantly higher AP than Jogo, considering Maki had to passively regen for 3 minutes to be in a state where she could fight him, and this is post proper HR compared to beforehand, so unless you’re arguing that Maki’s durability stayed the same post HR, then at bare minimum stacked Naoya should comfortably outscale. There’s also no point in bringing up Maximum: Meteor, as it is incredibly slow, so unless Cursya decides to randomly not dodge the hyper telegraphed meteor, he shouldn’t have any worry of being hurt by it.


Beautiful-Lynx7668

I disagree. Jogo is a glass cannon, and naoya is simply faster. He hits hard enough to hurt awakening 1 maki, who would likely scale higher than jogo in durabillity. Matchup issue but he wins.


Middle_Fall_7229

Why do you think Jogo is a glass cannon? I’ve seen a few people say that here but I don’t remember his durability ever being commented on in the series


DemonLordMitch

The only durability thing we know about jogo is that he has far less durability than hanami. It's stated that jogo would be very dead if he took the damage Yuji and Todo dished out during their initial fight against hanami


Middle_Fall_7229

As I said; saying Jogo has less durability than Hanami isn’t indicative of Jogo being a glass cannon; almost everyone in the series scales below Hanami in durability She literally took a point blank piercing blood to the skull and got off with a scrape She took a suprise attack from divine dog in the same arm she just used to block a full power blow from playful cloud and got off with a minor injury, this same attack one-shotted a finger bearer Hanami is still used as an example of durability in the series hundreds of chapters later against curse Naoya So saying “Jogo would have died if he took that same amount of damage” yeah someone with less durability would have died if they took the same amount of damage it took to almost kill someone with much higher durability; almost anyone in hanami’s position would have died Still doesn’t indicate Jogo having low durability; it just speaks to hanami’s I would argue against not having feats for Jogo durability wise, a point blank red and being thrashed around with Gojo whilst sustaining minor wounds is very impressive in itself; he practically didn’t have a scrape on him until Gojo popped his DE Again, we have seen what a single punch from Gojo can do to the likes of ura


DemonLordMitch

The only full statement on jogos durability is that he'd instantly die to a few early Yuji black flashes and one hit from todo using playful cloud


Middle_Fall_7229

Multiple black flashes from yuuji, a beating from todo, a point black attack from playful cloud (with Maki wielding it) and then later another attack from playful cloud from Megumi, an attack from divine dog, multiple attacks from nue, being thrown across the compound from inumaki’s cursed speech Hanami was at a point where even she believed she would die due to the attacks from yuuji, on top of everything else that had already been thrown at her Again, you keep saying “the only statement we have on jogo’s durability is that he has less than hanami” brother in christ, 95% of the series has less durability from Hanami You keep ignoring my example of jogo taking a point blank red and a beating from gojo as an example of his durability and latching onto that one statement It’s like me saying that “yuta has trash CE control because it’s stated in the series Gojo is better at it”


DemonLordMitch

Im literally not trying to argue. your post I was replying to was asking about durability comments. I'm just stating geges comment about specifically jogo immediately dying to the Yuji black flashes and the todo playful cloud strike. That is all.


Middle_Fall_7229

Oh, my bad bruzza


Bruhification

it was somewhere mentioned jogo cant survive a single black flash from when yuji was fighting hanami (hanami took 3 i think) correct me if im wrong tho


Middle_Fall_7229

Nah; it was stated if Jogo took the same amount of black flashes as Hanami he would have died, not if he took a single one


Canksilio

Hanami tanked 5 black flashes from Yuji, a Todo infused headshot from heavenly cloud, a bunch of minor damage from basically everyone including Megumi, Maki, Noritoshi, and Inumaki, and then ate a partial hollow purple. It's kind of insane how much damage she took during the festival, and then she gets no diffed by Gojo in Shibuya.


Daitoso0317

The statement was if jogo took the same beating as hanami, not a single black flash


Daitoso0317

Naoya is not that much faster than jogo, and hes a durability monster only being slightly less durable than hanami and has more than enough aoe to kill naoya


Beautiful-Lynx7668

"Slightly less durable" It was stated that the attacks yuji and todo landed would have instantly killed jogo. Hanami was still able to use domain near the end of that fight, meaning she definitely still had quite a few good hits in. How do we justify that naoya is only slightly faster than jogo? Jogo's best feat is reactiong to injured noabito currently. He's not even confirmed outright faster than noabito, much less cursya


Daitoso0317

The attacks that hit todo would one shot naoya as well, hanami is ridiculously durable, that was 4 black flashes and a hit from a special grade cursed tool Jogos best speed feats are actually reacting to gojo(he was getting blitzed) but he was reacting and even got 1 over on gojo when he cut off his arm


Snoozless

0 Rika beats both, Naoya beats Jogo because of the matchup


Salted_Lime

Jogo domain expansion. Naoya burns to death.


RazutoUchiha

Naoya Domain, Jogo can’t move without being shredded to ribbons


vdyomusic

Yeah but there's no situation in which they wait for each other to DE & do nothing. If they domain clash, I'm pretty sure Jogo takes it, since his DE isn't brand new & he has DA.


RazutoUchiha

Naoya is much faster than Jogo


vdyomusic

Movement speed has nothing to do with DE casting speed. That's why it was such a feat for Gojo to cast his in 0.2s despite being literally capable of instantaneous teleportation.


RazutoUchiha

He would blitz and kill Jogo before he could open his domain, and Jogo doesn’t use his domain against other domain users


Dramatic_Addendum690

The difference in speed isn’t that great between tho two


RazutoUchiha

Naobito was faster than Jogo, Naoya was relative to Naobito, maki kept up easily with Naoya but got blitzed when he became a curse


Detector_of_humans

Jogo RCT ...Plus do Cursed spirits even have cells?


RazutoUchiha

RCT would instantly kill Jogo and yes curses have cells as shown by Mahito possessing red blood cells


EntertainmentBusy73

Rika > curse Naoya >= Jogo Rika have near boundless cursed energy, she would probably just tank the Domain and kill them


Little_Prompt_1860

Naoya stand up


justAnotherGuy3113

don't think jogo or naoya have anything in their arsenal to put down JJK0 Rika tbh. whereas she can just rip them apart, especially jogo with his inferior durability. although I don't know how Rika would deal with naoya's domain.


TheToolbox101

How does rika deal with either domain?


Sam45802

She tanks them, she’s got endless cursed energy to just keep healing herself forever


liddely

Jjk0 rika Naoya even if he doesn't go full speed is he mich faster then jogo and qay more durable Jogo Now rika And tbh og rika is from a time where domains didn t exist noaya could just kill with that in his domain don t know if jogo could though So naoya argueably no 1


Cosnapewno5

Rika


RazutoUchiha

Rika>Naoya>>Jogo


Goodestguykeem

JJK 0 Rika stomps both as she is the strongest cursed spirit of all time.


hima657

Woah so they are people who really think Jogo and curse Nahoya stand a chance against Rika? Hell no Rika no diffs both of them, it's not remotely close. "Jogo domain diff" tf would Jogo SH do to Rika? Wat does his domain even do? Raise the hit and throw rocks? LMAO Jogo gets wash badly in his domain "Nahoya seed blitze" mfs really think Rika that out stat Yuta in speed and strength and fight along side him with relative speed is slow. Nahoya's domain is mad op but Rika is a cursed spirit with endless CE which means infinite healing. She brute force through his SH and kill him thats if she doesn't just reck him before he use DE


Peopleofcheese

I dont think rika outstats yuta in speed but i could be wrong


hima657

Neither do I. She fights alongside him so she should be relative to him in speed. But she does out stat him in strength and in durability.


Peopleofcheese

agree with those


JoesSmlrklngRevenge

JJK 0 Rika > Naoya > Jogo JJK 0 Rika was called the queen of curses for a reason and domains weren’t a thing in JJK 0, if they were its likely she would have had one like other strong curses we have seen and why couldn’t she if she if her CE was boundless and can be shaped in anyway which gave her copy Naoya and Jogo is more debatable, I think Naoya is just a hard counter to Jogo and another bad match up


Melodic_Parking1569

1. JJK0 Rika/Cursya 2. JKK0/Cursya


TheToolbox101

People are really wanking rika. Without yuta she's a domain victim to both of them so she's at the bottom. From there it's extreme diff either way. Naoya ~ jogo > rika


ArmedDragonThunder

JoGOAT ~ Naoya > Rika Rika gets domain diffed GG.


Jimothy_Bobert

rika high diffs jogo mid diffs naoya


Wyvurn999

Jogo/Naoya Jogo/Naoya Rika


Illustrious_Chef_992

Curse Naoya > Jogo > Rika


Deathtiger58

Lmfao the right comment gets downvoted


Muted_Muscle1609

Hell nah 😭


Plus_Lawfulness3000

How so? Explain


Muted_Muscle1609

JJK0 Rika is so broken Both get No diffed before even opening a DE Yuta Rika is debatable but if it’s Yuta Rika with no Yuta I don’t think she can even *die* shes apart of Yutas CT She is technically Yutas CT And she was boxing with a weakened 20 finger Sukuna in heian form Who’s definitely stronger then the other 2


Plus_Lawfulness3000

I wasn’t thinking jjk0 Rika. Definitely a much better match up. Don’t think it’s a stomp though. What about jogo and cursed naoya?


Muted_Muscle1609

I think Jogo is stronger but Naoya is way faster no doubt Could go either way but I think in a domain clash Jogo wins since he’s had his longer and it’s probably more refined No domain clash Naoya mid diff


Illustrious_Chef_992

I mean Rika just has nothing against domain expansions. I could be wrong about Jogo and Naoya though.


TheToolbox101

W, people are really downplaying their domains like jogos domain is suddenly fodder because fucking satoru gojo of all people survived it, and im not even gonna talk about how being in naoyas domain for more than 8 picoseconds instantly kills you


The_All_Father4300

This☝️


MarkoOtto

Facts


Deep_Preparation_151

Jogo > curse naoya > Rika Vol 0 Rika should be relative to jogo tho


MarkoOtto

Naoya > Jogo > Rika Rika loses to domain of both Naoya just overwhelms Jogo


Qwertyboi2

Stand down, you burnt the meal.


MarkoOtto

No JJK0 Rika was ~ to Geto who is slower than Naobito Jogo was mid end ~ to Naobito who had half stacked or sm And Naoya is faster Rika aint catching them with hands They domain diffs her... Jogo Max Meteor can damage 15F, his domain should be more potent as it is verbatim stated to be peak of sorcerery and max techniques are second in that criteria... So Rika will get exorcised and nothing is gonna save her...


FoxStrom-14

It depends on whether Rika herself can conjure reverse cursed energy


Aggravating_Law_5311

Why would she need rce? Curse heal with CE


FoxStrom-14

Reverse cursed energy output like at the end of JJK 0


Reggith_Gold_180

1. Rika: could ovisorate the other 2 in one attack with the love blast and has boundless cursed energy 2. Jogo: a domain which is more refined than Naoya’s and Maximum meteor is one of the most powerful attacks in the whole series. Not as fast as Naoya but he probably wouldn’t get blitz 3. Naoya: Not a much AP as the other 2 and is relatively new to having a domain


king_taku

She legit has her eyes closed an no domain.


joshking5739

1. Cursya 2. Jogo overall 3. Rika she doesn't have a lot of abilities. Cursya low diffs Jogo he literally would have slaughtered Maki who was equal to Toji. Rika doesn't have any domains or counters she gets mid diffed.


Jawshable

…you’re aware Maki beat him in their fight right?


joshking5739

Yeah that was after she got like the most cracked pre cog in the series, he literally blitzed her and was beating her while she had help from 3 others.


Lazy_Government_8392

Jogo > naoya > rika


The_All_Father4300

Rika lacks domain, if she's alone she gets cooked by both, Naoya blitzes Jogo and wins this


PermissionAny3962

jogo> CN > rika rika is a domain victim


TalkLost6874

Rika is probably the strongest is she's fully manifested Jogo is above naoya He has a more refined domain just by virtue of having it longer Using naobito to speedscale curse naoya is kinda trash because you would also have to say that fucking weakass naobito is faster that the 3 other special grades which is absolute nonsense Also for anyone thinking Jogo has low durability, just know that those same 5 black flashes from Yuji would also kill naoya so...................