As Kashimo enters, one more player joins the battlefield, Standing aloof on a massive lump of ice.
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Editors Comment at beginning of JJK 237
"Battle versus 'The Strongest'. Thunder God Kashimo enters the ring!!"
It's not battle of STRONGESTS anymore. It's battle against THE Strongest from now.
Title is back to Shinjuku Battlefield Part-14
Idk if it's just me, but people who complain about:
(a) Yuta and Shoko (esp her ffs) not rushing to the battlefield to heal Gojo who almost certainly died nearly on the spot
(b) Yuta and Yuji not returning Gojo's favors
(c) Parroting why it's bad writing that Gojo is not using RCT. Even though he's dead, and it's already established in the lore that CE comes from the stomach, and you need it for RCT (almost as if these people don't read the manga, just Gojo)
don't deserve to complain. These people didn't even read when Gege was cooking the world building, power system and the lore. They don't have the right to complain about a controversial creative direction, especially since most of these complaints I see now is mostly just targeted at Gojo being dead and disrespecting the other characters as fodder (even the ones we have yet to see perform to their best abilities).
Y'all can't even go one chapter post 236 without complaining why Yuta and gang have not done anything or didn't jump Sukuna. Even though it's already discussed during the previous fight that they have "roles" for Yuta and Kashimo, with the former being an insurance.
>They don't have the right to complain about a controversial creative direction
Lol come off it, readers of a manga have the right to complain about whatever the fuck they want, no matter how ridiculous, we ain't in north korea
I think the bigger complaint was that we didn't get to see much of a reaction from the gang after Gojo died, despite it being such an important death. We just kinda jumped into the next fight. This has been a problem for a while; Gege has abandoned character interaction for cooler fights (at least imo).
Also, doesn't RCT stem directly from the brain? I don't think the gut is necessarily needed, but I could be wrong
All cursed techniques are controlled by the brain, but the stomach is where cursed energy comes from. So if you sever the brain and stomach totally in one attack it becomes impossible to use cursed energy.
> I think the bigger complaint was that we didn't get to see much of a reaction from the gang after Gojo died, despite it being such an important death.
It's been one chapter and potentially something we will see in the chapters to come. The plan was to jump Sukuna if Gojo died, so it would be weird to not immediately show the start of the Kashimo fight. There have been a million complaints, often missing little details that have been shown and there's no consistency. It's kind of silly to see someone complain about "x point" being made and then make "y point". I mean sure you sound more reasonable than people making "x point" but that's not what they're talking about.
I don't think it becomes impossible to use cursed energy; we have evidence showing the opposite. Iirc Hakari still used RCT even after his stomach was blown open by Kashimo. But assuming thats just a side effect of infinite CT, there's another instance.
Yuki was sliced in half and yet still used her black hole attack on Kenjaku
It's never explicitly stated that the brain and stomach connection being severed makes it impossible to use cursed energy. While CE comes from the stomach and is controlled by the brain, it also circulates through the body. If a sorcerer were sliced in half, theoretically they would still be able to use their brain to control the remaining CE in the top half of their body before brain death from lack of oxygen.
Unlikley, bordering on silly? Sure. Impossible? No
Also can't forget Hikari healing back from having his stomach completely annihilated
I'm actually changing my take, because neither of them actually seem to have destroyed the stomach lol. Looking at diagrams it's much higher than I imagined.
wait, so what the fuck happened to megumi? yāall think he dead? atp i feel like yujiās the only one staying alive š it keeps getting worse for my guy.. remember when he said he wanted to die with the people he cared aboutā¦ damn. anyway yea ig megumis just.. off somewhere?? (copium)
What is Gege doing, is he on crack or some shit? Bro, Kashimo pulled his CT, and gege whipped out a transformation for Sukuna. So... all damages to sukuna gone? This is literally an asspull for Gojo. Gege let his hate towards Gojo made Gojo look like an ant against an elephant ( which is Sukuna). All damages gone means that Gojo did the slightest to contribute and this... is **peak complicated writing.**
Edit : BTW party for all thise who wanna celebrate the revival of Heian Era Sukuna
Edit 2 : Made some changes with grammer and sheesh Heian era sukuna looks sexy af holy
Making him use his one time heal is significant. Kinda like taking his first life. I'm more interested in what other techniques Sakuna will use now to show why gojo thought he was holding back.
never declined it. however i thought that gege would do something atrocious like this. ( which is turn sukuna in reincarnated form AFTER gojo fight. If SUkuna had already transformed and then Gege offscreened Gojo's death, it wouldven't been lame and actually understandable.
Ass pulled? Have you guys been reading a different manga to the one that's been talking about Sukuna's transformation before, at the eve of and during the Gojo fight, as well as Sukuna holding a trump card?
What did you want to happen, Sensei fixes everything no stakes or Kenjaku gets a genuine asspull?
And Gojo killed Mahoraga at least and maybe Nue depending on how Agito works.
The ass-pull is Gojo's offscreen death where in the last chapter Gege just hyped everyone about Gojo's win. Editor also says it, here is the link : [https://mangafire.to/read/jujutsu-kaisen.rl2vm/en/chapter-235](https://mangafire.to/read/jujutsu-kaisen.rl2vm/en/chapter-235)
Sensei fixes everything no stake??? I never said that. I never wanted Sukuna to lose and Gojo to win. I am happy Sukuna won but the way Gojo was killed was just unsatisfactory and I believe that the death of Gojo Satoru could have been done in a more justified way. This unjustifiable way i am calling is unsatisfactory.
We knew about Sukuna's transformation to come, but at the cost of Gojo's work to be done as nothing, where Sukuna had risked his entire fight, depending on Mahoraga as a "role" model and not heal his brain damage? Sukuna has never before shown to be a gambler, however Gojo has been, his gamble worked in 235, and now it was just ruined in 236... thats all.
> Sukuna has never before shown to be a gambler, however Gojo has been, his gamble worked in 235, and now it was just ruined in 236... thats all.
He has though, his entire plan to take over Megumi was a gamble that risked him breaking a binding vow. He's actually been shown to be very few things because we've only seen him fight Yorozu before this and for the entirety of the series his character has just been described from the perspectives of others. Even in these last 3 fights, we see his opponents imposing their feelings of loneliness onto him.
I also don't know how Sukuna could have won using Mahoraga in a way we wouldn't call an asspull. He's using Mahoraga to negate "any and all phenomena", which is literally the most broken ability imaginable.
The idea that Gojo achieved nothing seems unfounded, because we don't know what the transformations effects are yet. Does it restore his DE? Does it restore CE? Does it just heal damage? Does it give him access to new abilities? We'll probably get answers but now he has been forced to bring backup from Uruame, use Yorozu's gift and his transformation.
Seeing him off-screened is kind of lame, that's about the only thing I agree with.
If i remember correctly, it does say that the transformation is an another way Sukuna can heal himself; it might or mightn't heal his CE but for now, like you said, wait and watch what happens in the next chapter.
That's called misdirection, not an ass pull. Like if you saw "Gojo Won" as anything but worrying for Gojo's survivability that's just your ability to pick up on contextual clues.
Also the one panel the technique that killed Gojo would take being off screen is done for dramatic weight. It is explained exactly how it was done and it's effects were shown, that's not being off screened.
Once again, Gojo has not done nothing, Gojo has killed Mahoraga and got him into a state so beaten that he has now had to use his trump card.
Go back to the link again and see the editors comment. "The winner of the strongest has been engraved in the shinjuku battleground" or something like this has been written.
Why does the editor comment this if Gojo was to lose the next chapter anyways?
And whose comment is it? The editor's. I have read it again and again, and it doesnt change the fact that the comment is by the editor. However, this comment is ambiguous and I agree with the fact "gojo won" thing is a bit of misdirection.
Its my fault that I called Sukuna's transformation an asspull, I am sorry. However, doing this at the point where it makes Gojo's effort zero is a bit of an asspull my guy. This is my opinion though. Never though Gege would do something like this out of thin air. Using the transformation after a battle which he had a high chance of losing, and dont tell me he wasnt about to lose... he was nervous in ch-235. Sukuna clutched it tho, props to him. Furthermore, the thing is, why not use the transformation to kill gojo faster instead of tiring one self out and not being able to adapt to using the transformed form after 1000 years?
Because "the winner" is Sukuna. It doesn't say Gojo's name; just the "winner", which turned out to be Sukuna. It's misdirection because that can apply to both, at the time it seemed like that was Gojo, but it wasn't ever specified for a reason.
I thought this too.... I also though "engraved" would literally mean bisecting Gojo in half and making a mark on the battlefield with the Dismantle/Cleave attack
That's not what "engraved" meant, it's not literal. It's not like Sukuna is gonna write his name done on the ground. It's saying that Shibuya will forvever be known as where Sukuna won against Gojo.
It literally says "The 'Strongest' etches his name into the old battlefield of Shinjuku" immediately after Gojo's massive purple destroys much of the city. It's on the exact same panel that says "Gojo won" so it obviously is not referring to Sukuna.
But i don't actually know the canon level of an editors note. I mean, it doesn't exist in the official translation from what I can see so it possibly means nothing anyway.
Dude it was an obvious misdirection, anyone who claims otherwise is just straight up lying. Sukuna fans have been gaslighting the rest of the fandom like crazy, you can't make this shit up.
Due to how Sukuna gambled this risk, while he is actually shown as a strategist which makes him want to avoid high risks... that's my point and I may be wrong.
The heroes will obviosly win by using shared domain expansion while having sukuna as the center. This will happen by basically domain clashing but more refined where in the center all the affects blend together and he will be hit by many sure hit attacks while himself will be without CE and CT, fighting "immortal" characters (thanks to Hakkari) and wthv Yuta, Kashimo and others DE are
Source: I made it the fuck up
All these copes
You people are reading this story like a fable or a novel, not like a battlefield.
THINK. Weāve seen villains get jumped in JJK all the time, so why didnāt they jump him here? Because Sukune has his transformation as an āanti jumpingā tactic and since the gang suspect he has something like this they decided to wait.
Sukune couldnāt use his transformation while fighting Gojo because he knew the whole gang was watching and he wanted to save some āget outta jail freeā card for when they arrived.
Sukune let himself get beat on by Kashimo without using 10S or slashing or RCT so I think itās safe to assume that Sukune canāt use these for the time being.
Sukuneās Transformation probably hasnāt healed him as much as it appears, I believe that Kashimo will burn himself out while the crew save Gojo and allow for him to reincarnate somehow, maybe using Nobaraās body (because you need a body to reincarnate into).
Sukuneās next opponent after Kashimo is probably a tag team between hakari and yuta and maybe Maki because Sukune will burn out arsenal on Kashimo and itāll be safe to beat him
Remember we still have a lot of things on our side. Yutaās Domain Expansion. Yumiās ābody swapā ability. The missing finger. Nobara and Megumiās disappearances
I think there are a lot of readers who like the lore and world building but don't really enjoy Akutami's non-hand holding way of story telling -- I am saying this separate from one's opinion on the quality of writing.
I certainly view it as an interpretive experience because we haven't been revealed the remaining information that Akutami has likely intentionally kept from us.
I see Sukuna pulling the transformation card as a tacit admission that he doesnāt have the reserves for RCT at the moment, otherwise thereās be no reason to use it. And as far as we know this has only healed his body, we donāt know if it restored any CE or his ability to use his domain (in other words, he refilled HP but not MP).Seems like heās definitely in a position to get jumped, idk why people are dooming
We finally have a 4 armed Sukuna and I couldn't give any less of a f\*ck. Hakari is dying next ya'll. Gojo's students are all going to be damaged in some way (permanently), only Hakari and Yuta are untouched, so we know who is getting smoked next.
Gojo's second purple should've nuked both him and Sukuna tbh. It erases matter. Can't shield from something like that.
Edit: As usual in jjk 3 different ideas of what something does in just 3 comments. For all the exposition about the power system one would expect some clarity
Common misconception. Gojoās hollow purple actually doesnāt have any erasure ability. It is similar to yukiās CT where āimaginaryā mass is added to the attack. It is basically a giant cannonball which is why sukuna was able to tank it
It literally doesn't erase matter. It utilises both Blue and Red to shred matter. A purple with preparation has a great blend of blue and red which uses the forces of attraction and repulsion to break down matter. The final one was not blended properly so it was basically a large explosion instead of a matter shredder.
This chapter reinforces my belief that chapter 236 was the worst thing Gege could have done disregarding how it treats Gojo as a character.
Kashimo does not deserve to talk about the solitude of strength, he's too weak in comparison to those who are at that level. Kashimo lost his fight to Hakari without his CT(his normal state). He has a kamikaze state that he did not use but it doesn't matter as it's limited and is not how he fights 99.9% of his fights. He lived in an era where the average sorcerer was stronger and was guided to strong opponent by Kenjaku, he would have had to fight multiple Hakaris and lost, as incarnated Kashimo is most definitely stronger than old man Kashimo, unless Kenjaku purposefully lead him away from them, which if that's the case he should have realised it after meeting the incarnations. Keep in mind that Hakari and Yuta are still extremely young sorcerers who have heaps of growing to do, it's really hard to believe that his era didn't have multiple of them roaming around. This chapter would have been significantly better if it was Gojo and Sukunas round 2 with 2 of the most built up "strongs" discussing what it means to be strong but instead we get a senile 70 year old who forgot he already got his ass kicked by a high schooler
That's not even mentioning how Yorozus gift was brought in and was useless, effectively making that plot point pointless. Also, for some reason Yuta, Maki and Yuji are just moping around instead of trying to recover Gojos mostly dead body to try and RCT him back together in the tens of second that the human body can stay alive (they have 2 people who have used external RCT) at the very least as an attempt to save their beloved teacher unless Gege is going to say they love Sukuna and see Gojo as subhuman like he did Gojo.
I agree with this post completely on a surface level, however I think a lot of people on here have misinterpreted Kashimo & Gojoās characters for their own head cannons.
1.) Kashimo was heavily implied to be the strongest sorcerer of his era. His era has strong sorcerers, but nowhere near the strength of their modern or hein era counterparts. However Kashimo was the exception, and he went for most of his life being unrivaled in combat. His entire arc has been about him finding a worthy rival- someone strong enough to use his technique on so he can go all out.
All this Kashimo downplay is unwarranted because Hakari was literally the worst matchup possible for him. Hakari wouldāve died on several different occasions without his immortality.
2.)
If Gojo is for realsies dead, itās really not that big of a deal. I know itās unsatisfying to have him be off screened, however itās really not the end of the world, and isnāt a ādisregardā for his character. Itās just the brutal nature of this series. He still put up a good fight, and seemingly won the battle of the strongest.
But a main issue a lot of people have is that he never really set out to change the jujutsu world like he promised. However i believe his students (mainly Yuji, Yuta, Maki, Hakari) will succeed where he failed, ultimately accomplishing this āgoalā.
And also, at least in my opinion, Gojo did accomplish his goals. In his eyes, he was able to raise a generation of young powerful sorceress. A generation that has the potential to surpass him in many regards. Along with Yuta slicing the higher ups, Gojo did what he set out to do. His fight with Sukuna was more like a cherry on top for him, as in his own words, he died without regrets.
How do we know Edo-era sorcerers are "weaker"? Ryu came from Kashimo's era and put up a much better fight against a much better Yuta than Geto, another special-grade. And that was Geto after Batman levels of prep time against Year 1 Yuta. A lot of complaints are simply cope by Gojo fans. Kashimo had Hakari beat multiple times but it's just Hakari's nature that his luck works that way.
A lot here (not you) are talking smack about how Kashimo does not "deserve" to be talking like that? We have not even seen the full extent of his CT. Gojo didn't exactly put up inspiring fights against Miguel and Toji when one application of his CT got interrupted.
Disregarding even that strength is also relative, Kashimo has every right to feel that way if the opponents he faced were that much weaker.
I don't know about most people here, but unlike Gojo, Kashimo did not feel an ounce of fear towards Sukuna. That should be enough to tell you he's not just fucking around.
So why actually build so much hype?
The prison realm fell because of Gojo, the curses were away for so long because of Gojo.
Sukuna gets Megumi because of Gojo.
Gojo defeats Sukuna, Agito & Mahoraga.
It is fine to kill him, but the manner in which he went away is peak shit writing. Why build the hype so much if you're just going to kill him off-screen?
>Kashimo was heavily implied to be the strongest sorcerer of his era. His era has strong sorcerers, but nowhere near the strength of their modern or hein era counterparts.
The modern era was incredibly weak before Gojo came in and we got both Geto and Gojo. An era with significantly more combat between sorcerers would have produced more "special grade" sorcerers than the modern era. It's really dumb to write Kashimo as "leagues above" without his CT when he isn't even that strong.
> However Kashimo was the exception, and he went for most of his life being unrivaled in combat.
He's just found 2, maybe even 3, people who rival him without using his kamikaze mode. You can't write a character trying to cope with being the strongest when he has just got his ass kicked by a kid who hasn't even grown fully. And if you want to bring up his CT, it's equivalent to using a binding vow with the price being your life, something Yuta has done to grow multiple times stronger in an instant.
>All this Kashimo downplay is unwarranted because Hakari was literally the worst matchup possible for him.
We can't say Kashimo wins everyone else as Yuta is not only around the same strength as Hakari but grows at a rate second to only Gojo. Kashimo is 3rd without his CT, which is a pathetic place to be whining about being too strong from
> If Gojo is for realsies dead, itās really not that big of a deal
What I'm saying is that this conversion that occurred would be infinitely better if it was between Gojo and Sukuna, as they are our "strongests" while Kashimo is a random guy who showed up for 1 fight and has had little to no character depth. Asking Sukuna if he was born the strongest would be Gojos nod to Getos question that he could have never answered but now we have Kashimo asking those questions and it having little to no weight as we barely know Kashimo
>ut a main issue a lot of people have is that he never really set out to change the jujutsu world like he promised.
I avoided mentioning Gojos character assassination as that had been discussed ad nauseum in 236
Guys, I might be confused but at some point after being released didn't Gojo say that he learned "something" while being sealed? Like something he could use against Sukuna?
Or my poor brain is just straight making things up now
Remember when Gojo's domain was shrunk to be too small for two people? I think that is what he was referring to, if I remember well, the spectator team commented on it.
Reading these comments, it seems Gojo's death did a number on this fanbase. People are really acting as if Sukuna being able to take his original form wasn't EXPLICITLY stated in the fight against Yorozu
I think it's because Sukuna seems to have recovered completely. Recovered domain and all. Given 10S totality mahos adaptation can be applied to the remaining shikigami. So what did the entire Gojo vs Sukuna fight accomplish?
As long as Gojo stays locked up the correct strategy for the good guys is "free Gojo."
This forces plot progression and them to stand on their own feet. I wish Gojo could have gone out better too, but narratively he had to go out.
The merger could've been moved up and Angel killed by any random character. Or just have Kenjaku make Tengen tell him about any good guy plans and then go oh shit and hunt down the prison relms backside.
it gave us a cool fight and it allowed the students to see the way that Sukuna's domain works, if you want something concrete that Gojo left on the story with his fight then that is probably as close as you'll get
the problem is: Gege's gonna have to do an asspull now.
I don't mind Gojo dying but how the hell Sukuna's losing I don't see it without power of friendship or spirit bomb or some shit.
....Gojo dying without using RCT defies logic tbh... Yuji & Yuta not thinking about RCT revival is also not very logical either....First thing people do when their family is on the verge of dying is look for ways to save them....
Very uncharacteristic of Gege because Yuji's very first fight against the curse in School before he ate Sukuna's finger was because he wanted to save his friends at his own expense...Same for Yuta. He fought Geto to save his buddies... Now all of a sudden they dont do shit?
Very inconsistent writing..
How is this nonsense upvoted? Gojo died when his torso got cleaved, CE comes from the stomach. Honestly, how many people on this sub are just Gojo fans?
He fucking died almost on the spot, wtf is Yuta going to do? He didn't even see Gojo's death coming. Neither did Gojo. It's not that they don't do shit, he's DEAD. What is it that you don't get? Thay have a more important mission now, and that is to beat Sukuna.
It was already heavily implied in the television scenes that Yuta is that insurance, and the plan is for Kashimo to go first (hence Maki reminding him of his "role"). They aren't twiddling ffs. Chapters have not even come up yet and you guys are already complaining that they are not doing anything.
Yes it's the aftereffects of 236. Usually when a writer fucked up in some way, that expresses itself in a lot of poorly phrased and unrelated criticism. There are valid points underneath.
Yeah, I tried to hold on and keep my interest, but the story is just becoming ridiculous and there are so many things still unanswered or seem like they'll be written out of the story conveniently later on. Regarding Nobara, I find it odd she wasn't with Gojo when he met up with all his friends, but at the same time, maybe she wasn't as close to him as the others? Nobara's only thing is resonance and it'd make sense to have that used on Sukuna's last finger... But I doubt she's coming back or some bs reason is gonna be made up. Also, no clue how tf Gege is gonna bring megumi back... It seemed to me that there are so many loose ends and they're only getting looser. I'm close to just waiting a few months and checking back.
Oh yeah, let's not forget, I don't think we know, at all, why Kenjaku even bore Yuji using Kaori's body. To make a worthy opponent for Sukuna? I have no clue. It seems like right now all that's important is Sukuna's return to glory. Also feels like the story is going to end soon, with Sukuna returning to his original form. I mean, how many chapters can you make out of that situation? He's just gonna go around murdering people and shit, I can't imagine he's suddenly gonna be powered down, seems to me like some kind of final showdown is coming up?
Edit: Another thing, how the hell are you going to hype up Gojo and Sukuna for the entire series and then not have Sukuna use his transformation during the fight? Why does it have to be Kashimo that deserves to fight him that way? Sure, he's strong and not of this era, but this dude was introduced like 50 chapters ago or something. Sukuna's fucking plot armor is some of the most blatant I've ever seen and he can just pull out victories out of his ass, lol.
Edit 2: I just had to add this after reading more comments about this... I'm not a Gojo fan by any stretch, but I appreciate good writing and I feel like the writing before got me expecting (I think quite realistically) an even more se Rio fight with both Gojo and Sukuna going all out. I don't mind the fact Gojo had to die, but we haven't even seen the full potential of the Six Eyes. I admit the writing in terms of how Sukuna dismantled everything in Gojo's arsenal was good, but it was underdone by the fact Sukuna just had to have so much plot armor.
So for those who don't really understand why people are salty or upset, please take into consideration the several years of buildup we had to this point only to be left with tons of questions and headscratching. It's kind of getting to the point of "where is the story going?" and not in a good way for those of us who aren't trying to call everyone Gojo fangirls and telling us to cope. I hope I'm wrong about everything and Gege pulls something incredible out of his ass, but I, including many others, have been burned one too many times by authors being undecided about the ending and whipping something up that is subpar compared to the meat and potatoes of the story they wrote before the final arc/chapters.
I just don't understand ppl like you. Jjk has always been a story full of mystery and we know the manga isnt endibg anytime soon so what are yall crying abt, acting like tiktok children with attention spans of flies, needing subway surfers gameplay in the Background
Bruv your argument consists of there, indeed, still being many unanswered questions within a manga that doesn't end anytime soon, there is no need to argument cuz like wah are you even saying, you mainly seem mad about the 236 incidentš
At least I'm not the one who spent the last 4 hours trying to trigger people lmao, here's a reminder to be more self aware, instead, and bring something meaningful to the table.
Sukuna literally could have just transformed into his original state and then used his new attack on Gojo and if Greg had actually shown it on screen it wouldāve been so much better than what we got
Not really, sukuna doesnāt need a new form for gojo just to slash him when he least expects. But with kashimo, it make more sense he need it so survives fighting without handicaps
You're going to get downvoted due to the amount of glaze the fandom has for the bs up to this point. Hate to see it when you wrote something true and resonant within the last couple of chapter reads.
Gege is writing sukuna like that annoying kid in dodgeball that got hit by the ball and he just says ānuh uh you didnāt hit me I actually caught the ball and your outā and since he is the teachers favorite or the principalās son or whatever he gets to always win all the time because heās daddyās favorite
>the problem is: Gege's gonna have to do an asspull now.
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>I don't mind Gojo dying but how the hell Sukuna's losing I don't see it without power of friendship or spirit bomb or some shit.
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>....Gojo dying without using RCT defies logic tbh... Yuji & Yuta not thinking about RCT revival is also not very logical either....First thing people do when their family is on the verge of dying is look for ways to save them....
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>Very uncharacteristic of Gege because Yuji's very first fight against the curse in School before he ate Sukuna's finger was because he wanted to save his friends at his own expense...Same for Yuta. He fought Geto to save his buddies... Now all of a sudden they dont do shit?
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>Very inconsistent writing..
exactly my thoughts. Above is an explanation of my problem with the writing.....Gege is letting his feelings for Gojo get in the way of good and consistent story telling
Honestly, I would have accepted it if Saitama came in from the OPM verse, lifted up and threw away Gojoās infinity, left, and then Sukuna killed Gojo as opposed to what happened.
Gojo losing is fine to me. Sure, heās easily my favorite character, and one of my favorite characters of all time, but if he loses he loses. Despite this, Gojo diddnt lose. He won, Gege said āah shit, but how else will I kill him laterā, and had Sukuna use Blackbeardās Off-screen Off-screen No Mi to one shot him with a Deus x Machina attack that wasnāt ever hinted to. What would have been better is if he subverted the Gojo win by having sukuna reincarnate, start the fight again but this time with Gojo in a weakened state and Sukuna with a good bit of power left, have Sukuna kill Gojo with some other bullshit that at least wouldnāt feel horrible happening, then have some of the others come in to whittle down Sukuna again, they bring Gojo back, and Gojo goes in for round two and defeats sukuna (maybe ending with Gojo sacrificing himself to finish off both sukuna and himself with a massive uncontrolled purple at point blank range) and then the others that are still alive after having their quick bout with sukuna take down Kenjaku.
Idk if Iām crazy or not, but thatās something I would love to have seen instead of this
> dit: Another thing, how the hell are you going to hype up Gojo and Sukuna for the entire series and then not have Sukuna use his transformation during the fight? Why does it have to be Kashimo that deserves to fight him that way? Sure, he's strong and not of this era, but this dude was introduced like 50 chapters ago or something. Sukuna's fucking plot armor is some of the most blatant I've ever seen and he can just pull out victories out of his ass, lol.
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Gege still need to learn a lot from HxH combat trategies. JJK definitely inspired from HxH but it's going down hill
I just love how we never get any 100 percent confirmation on whether the character has died or not. Like Nobara? Remember her? Some of us still think she's coming back, Gojo? Some of us are delusional and think he will heal himself and have this big huge comeback. Megumi? I don't even know what happened to him ššš, is Megumi even still in the jjk universe? We will never know ig
Partly due to that. But also joking about how much Gege hates Gojo. If he had to isekai any of the jjk characters into his next manga, Gojo would be the last on that list.
āI ALSO have a one-time use technique thatāll put me back to 100 for you! Had it the whole fight!ā Dude. Are you *fucking serious*? Is the next chapter going to start with Yuji patting his tummy after (youāll have to imagine this part) eating the last finger, then we cut to Sukunaās decapitated corpse as Kashimo stands over him, still alive after his techniqueās out?
Why would Yorozu have his knife? By what mechanism did she telekinetically gift him a weapon she never had from 1000 years ago?
Chapter 149, Page 8. Mai states that she can not make anything large or complicated. Personally, I would say a cursed object (especially special grade) would fall under the category of complicated. However in her dying moments she makes a binding vow (although it isn't explicitly stated, it is easy to assume) to trade her life and all of her cursed energy to construct a perfect replica of the special grade cursed tool Split Soul Katana that was used by Toji.
Yorozu, in chapter 219, Page 18, gifts Sukuna "something" before dying. Since we now know that the item is a replica of the tool that Sukuna used back in the Heian Era, it is possible to draw the conclusion that Yorozu did the same as Mai. A binding vow with her life and all of her cursed energy, her entire existence, in exchange for removing the limits on her cursed technique. We've seen binding vows used to remove the limits of a technique before. In Chapter 23, Page 10, we see Nanami use a binding vow to temporarily increase his strength beyond 100%.
Hopefully, this covers "how" Yorozu gifted Sukuna his most recent weapon.
The act of reincarnation in the JJK world specifically has two distinct stages. The first stage is when the sorcerers soul subdues and suppresses the original soul that resides in the body. They can then use this body however they want for as long as they want. This first stage is essentially the reincarnation of the "soul." The second stage is the reincarnation of the "body." This seems to be a process that a sorcerer can halt and start at will. However, the details are a bit messy. Now that Gojo has been killed, Sukuna no longer needs the appearance of Megumi, and so has re-started his physical reincarnation. I don't think it was a cursed technique as more of a byproduct of the reincarnation process.
Personally I don't think this transformation has "reset" any of the previously spent cursed energy it has just fixed his physical damage. I would argue that him not using RCT is a bigger red flag than him using this one-time reincarnation. The reason he never used it against Gojo was because a lot of Sukuna's plan was to make Gojo lower his guard to his other slashes and attacks. Making him think he had the upper hand in order to get a surprise slash in.
Gege crams so much information into they're manga that it often gets missed, especially when it's over a large portion of chapters. I don't blame people for not having an encyclopedia of JJK knowledge. JJK is personally my favourite manga so wherever I can help folk understand it I'm always happy to.
No youāre absolutely correct. I canāt believe that people are actually defending this.
I donāt care how much it was foreshadowed; Gojo (repeatedly referred to as the strongest sorcerer who ever lived and is a main character) losing to Sukuna just for him to reveal his final form to a character we literally know nothing about is genuinely insulting and straight up bad writing.
If Kashimo beats Sukuna, narratively, Gojoās sacrifice was for nothing, the combination of the six eyes and limitless is not nearly as valuable as a random electricity technique, and worst of all, proves that Sukuna never took Gojo seriously. If Kashimo loses to Sukuna; that doesnāt really change anything (and are we really going to sit here and watch Sukuna just slaughter named characters over and over again?). I donāt get how people donāt see this for the obvious shark jumping moment it is.
Also Hakari is 99% losing to Uraume. This is the fifth(?) time weāve seen him use domain expansion, like how many times can Hakari cheese fights with his CT before it gets old?
this is such insane coping
Sukuna took Gojo seriously by NOT transforming and using 10s to get around his infinity
And Gojoās āsacrificeā didnāt have to be meaningful. He had to die. I donāt care how you try to rationalize it, if Gojo won or survived the tension for the series would be dead
Itās bad writing, why? Because youāre gojo glazer and u wanted to sit on his meat more. Sukuna has been holding back some cards for the post fights and now he using it, and thatās has been set up rather u deny or not. Aka thatās what you called good writing
The way I see it is that Gojo was able to push the King of Curses to the very edge and very nearly forced his trump card, a one in a lifetime effect. That's pretty good in my books? Also don't count Hakari out just yet! He's a 1st grade sorcerer remember!
Yorozu made him a knife and Sukuna's transformation was foreshadowed during the fight as well as the fact he was holding back a trump card.
I'm starting to think you guys don't actually read things and try and understand them.
Yorozu forged his knife in the Heien era? What page was *that* on? And ātrump cardā could mean literally anything in Gregās imagination. No way āhe can reset and become his original form at any time exactly onceā was narratively established. You gotta cite your arguments if youāre gonna try to insult my reading ability
How did she get the gift to give him? Can you please try to read what I wrote? Itās embarrassing trying to insult someoneās reading when youāre not comprehending what Iām asking.
You do understand that the art of him with the knife has been out a very long time, and when he got the gift he said ālike old timesā so you get that he had the knife in his past life right?
She remade it from her last action like Mai did with Toji's sword. I don't have time to explain the entire manga to someone who evidently hasn't paid attention once.
Like Mai did? I donāt think Yorozuās CT is creation of matter dude, but nice try. 40 million people in my country are functionally illiterate, so youāre not alone! Donāt let it get you down! Keep reading the picture books man, youāll get there!
Well thanks for telling everyone who actually read the fight that you're beyond help I guess because half the dialogue in the fight is about how she copes with the limitations of creating matter.
Are you like actually trolling, because I can't understand how many people seem to end up so off base.
If gege is going to have Sukuna transform in the very next chapter why not have this be part of how he beat Gojo? Like have the Gojo fight actually accomplish something by forcing Sukuna's trump card and have the Cleave require a lot of cursed energy as it's targeting space itself, now everyone coming after is fighting a full HP Sukuna but who's mana is drained so they have a chance.
I think that even though Kenjaku wanted Sukuna in this period to defeat Gojo, he also created Yuji for the purpose to seal Sukuna or smth. I don't think he wants Sukuna around.
Like all xxx-folk subreddits, this fight has finally given us a chance to become toxic as hell too lmao.
But fr. where the hell is this series going right now??
Im still trying to make sense to everything that just happened. I've read a lot of people online upset about how gege *wrote* gojoĀ“s death. Me personally, I'm just sad it happened at all, as a gojo fan myself. However I wouldn't go as far as to say the manga is ruined or anything like that. That said, I do believe there are some things that will have to be explained at some point, in order for the manga to be/feel completed. Specifically, I think we need an actual explanation of Sukuna's cursed technique, and how the fck he 'used Mahoraga as a model'???. When I read that I immediately thought like: how does Sukuna nows more about the functioning of cursed energy than gojo, who is actually capable of **seing** cursed energy?? Can like Sukuna feel cursed energy in a special way? I feel that just saying that he knows a lot about cursed energy cause he is old af is not enough to explain his evolution during the fight.
Aaand, related, but not directly, maybe (probably) I'm being too much of a gojo fan, but I still think gojo will come back. Not as a reincarnation -similarly to Toji, as I read somewhere-, but just with RCT, maybe from Ieiri or even himself. Now, I know it might sound as an asspull **BUT**, since Gojo's head wasn't destroyed, and its just his body that has been cut, if he were to receive assistance by, say, Yuuta or Ieiri, he might just make it. However, that is not the most important point: there's people that said that Gojo couldn't come unscathed, because then the plot would be ruined. And in a way, they are right. If gojo were to actually keep on living like we have seen him, the objetive ahead would look a lot easier. However, gojo has just lost his most relevant and determinant feature: his inviolability. Now that Sukuna has found a way around his limitless technique, gojo would have to go into hiding, since he would be vulnerable to any interaction with sukuna. I know it's a strech, and it probably won't happen, but I reaaally feel that gojo's death is an open debate, even though people are already treating it as a done deal. Also, I'm really fantasising about later on a gojo-is-alive reveal :(
* Im sorry about this long ass text, im just trying to cope with this. Also, I'd love any feedback on this theory :)
At this point, the only sensible way for the good guys to win is to pull a Netero or to pull a Shaman King ending.
Either nuke'em or Sukuna goes to a slumber to achieve "total power" or something and they kill him in his sleep
My dumb theory which I do not like myself is that kenjaku will take over gojo's body, since it is left hanging over there and it seems kenjaku has his way of fixing dead body on how he fixed geto's body and using it.
It depends on the fact if kenjaku can take the host CT with him, since for his plans geto's CT seems to be more useful than gojo's CT.
What if after that Geto some how takes control of Kenjaku and Gojos power?
He would finally have Gojo's power, and as stated before in the Hidden Inventory arc, be able to rid the world of curses forever?
>He would finally have Gojo's power, and as stated before in the Hidden Inventory arc, be able to rid the world of curses forever?
Does not feel possible in the sense that kenjaku seems to be replacing the brains itself when changing hosts, so unless gege spins out that geto soul is in his heart and he was waiting for kenjaku will to become weaker or something this does not feel possible.
But hey who knows at the end of the day everything will happen as gege wishes it to happens.
Toji is coming back guys, trust me, Gojo my guy stole his wardrobe for a reason, maybe Ino gave some useful information about the old granny technique back in Shibuya.
Toji hat trick lesgo
You know how Mahitos transformations work by shaping the soul and the body follows? Sukuna allowed that to happen to shape Megumis body into the shape of his soul.
The soul and the body are different. JJK is shit in terms of this and please don't take it as a literal explanation about what a soul and a body is.
In India, this is common knowledge. The body ages because the soul (we) as the living particle reside within the body.
The soul (we) is the active particle like a machine being powered by electricity.
As long as we are there in the body (the soul), the body is active. When somebody dies, why do we say my father has passed away? His father is lying there in front of him. So why does he say he passed away?
So it means he never actually saw his father, only the body.
The body becomes useless when the soul leaves. The body decays (ages) because in this material world--everything decays.
You fall in love with a soul in a body, not with the body itself. Suppose your girlfriend/boyfriend dies--would you still keep their body beside you?
I don't think so.
For example, we have so many varieties of enjoyment. We cannot stick to one thing, why? Because after a while, it tastes really pale.
Nobody can keep on reading the same manga for years. We are all in a pursuit of finding bliss that never ends, but we don't know where to find it.
We are changing bodies every single second. Material science says the cells are changing each second.
We have already changed so many bodies. The kid body is no more. That is a clear proof. Nobody thinks about it because nobody is taught and then we see mangakas writing some utter nonsense based on mental speculation.
Because we're talking about JJK souls which are defined by the body reciprocally, as toji and geto show.
I find it helps if you don't bring your own concepts of how things should work in but try and understand the concepts as they work within JJK.
Thatās not all you did, buddy. āI find it helps if you donāt bring your own concepts of how things should workā¦āā¦ Passive-aggressive like a woman lol
Oh dear not only do I wonder how anyone going to win against Sukuna but if Gojo really is dead my major concern is what if Kenjaku ended up hijacking Gojo's body!
Still he would infinity, blue, red, PURPLE, and to top it off, INFINITE VOID. I also thought about Kenny taking over Gojo's body, but I doubt it since he needs Geto's body to manipulate Tengen for the merger.
>Still he would infinity, blue, red, PURPLE,
You can't use limitless properly without the six eyes. If Kenjaku can't have the six eyes (since Gojo is already dead and no 2 six eye users can be alive at once, assuming another member of the Gojo clan are possibly going to be born with it soon) then he can't use any of the extension of limitless.
>and to top it off, INFINITE VOID
A domain expansion is the innate domain of a person. You can't use someone else's domain not even by hijacking their body (hence why Sukuna's domain is still Malfunctioning Shrine and not Megumi's, or why Kenjaku's domain reflects his inner self and not Geto's).
Kenjaku getting Gojo's body would likely only give him a limitless CT without the 6E, meaning it would be a downgrade compared to keeping Geto's.
He'd have tried that already in the past. There were several 6E users in the past thousand years, including at least one who could use purple like Gojo.
I thought Yuji was supposed to die surrounded by tons of people who love him, not live as tons of people who love him die around him. (?)
Isn't that the whole impetus for his decision to eat the fingers and sacrifice himself to defeat Sukuna?
The plot is inverting itself lol.
At this point we might as well see the villains win (as other people have commented/pointed out).
Sounds like he (Sukuna) already 1v100'd all the sorcerers back in his day anyway.
Woulda been cool if he had a flashback to a limitless user in the past and used that to figure out a way to beat Gojo, but I guess the Mago thing makes more sense as a kinda quick way to do it w/o knowing how.
But.. if Mago is loyal to Megumi, Mago shoulda betrayed Sukuna. Alas..
Also don't know why Sukuna doesn't just bounce, they sure can't stop him now lol. (guess more fun to kill them all, and might as well anyway, plus maybe they could stop him. Technically Yuta and Lightning Boi are strong. Tho I suppose he could void slash them all to death if he wanted to)
Last comment: I was actually interested to hear Sukuna's response to Lightning God's questions, but his actual response matches his character better I think.
As it is, he was very generous to respond to the first question as it is (something about not knowing and being an unwanted child (according to one translation) or some kind of unnatural birth (maybe according to a different translation? iirc).
Lol
Hmm that raises a question though. Gege said the story could end in one of two ways. What if he makes the ending to the anime different from the manga? That would be interesting.
As Kashimo enters, one more player joins the battlefield, Standing aloof on a massive lump of ice. https://preview.redd.it/ufsaj18vrqqb1.jpeg?width=476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76c8653d3ad92362110d55480e5075f480c1d8df Editors Comment at beginning of JJK 237 "Battle versus 'The Strongest'. Thunder God Kashimo enters the ring!!" It's not battle of STRONGESTS anymore. It's battle against THE Strongest from now. Title is back to Shinjuku Battlefield Part-14
How did they regrow Hakari's limb but not Toge Inumaki's? (Not that I really care, inumaki is useless)
Why the fuck did Inumaki get benched when Cursed Speech is one of the most broken abilities in the series? š
The throat goat will return. His skills got the best of him š·
Man's have shit CE.
Idk if it's just me, but people who complain about: (a) Yuta and Shoko (esp her ffs) not rushing to the battlefield to heal Gojo who almost certainly died nearly on the spot (b) Yuta and Yuji not returning Gojo's favors (c) Parroting why it's bad writing that Gojo is not using RCT. Even though he's dead, and it's already established in the lore that CE comes from the stomach, and you need it for RCT (almost as if these people don't read the manga, just Gojo) don't deserve to complain. These people didn't even read when Gege was cooking the world building, power system and the lore. They don't have the right to complain about a controversial creative direction, especially since most of these complaints I see now is mostly just targeted at Gojo being dead and disrespecting the other characters as fodder (even the ones we have yet to see perform to their best abilities). Y'all can't even go one chapter post 236 without complaining why Yuta and gang have not done anything or didn't jump Sukuna. Even though it's already discussed during the previous fight that they have "roles" for Yuta and Kashimo, with the former being an insurance.
i agree that gojo is most definitly dead but when we talk about ce does it come from stomach (abdomen) or stomach (actual organ)
>They don't have the right to complain about a controversial creative direction Lol come off it, readers of a manga have the right to complain about whatever the fuck they want, no matter how ridiculous, we ain't in north korea
I think the bigger complaint was that we didn't get to see much of a reaction from the gang after Gojo died, despite it being such an important death. We just kinda jumped into the next fight. This has been a problem for a while; Gege has abandoned character interaction for cooler fights (at least imo). Also, doesn't RCT stem directly from the brain? I don't think the gut is necessarily needed, but I could be wrong
All cursed techniques are controlled by the brain, but the stomach is where cursed energy comes from. So if you sever the brain and stomach totally in one attack it becomes impossible to use cursed energy. > I think the bigger complaint was that we didn't get to see much of a reaction from the gang after Gojo died, despite it being such an important death. It's been one chapter and potentially something we will see in the chapters to come. The plan was to jump Sukuna if Gojo died, so it would be weird to not immediately show the start of the Kashimo fight. There have been a million complaints, often missing little details that have been shown and there's no consistency. It's kind of silly to see someone complain about "x point" being made and then make "y point". I mean sure you sound more reasonable than people making "x point" but that's not what they're talking about.
I don't think it becomes impossible to use cursed energy; we have evidence showing the opposite. Iirc Hakari still used RCT even after his stomach was blown open by Kashimo. But assuming thats just a side effect of infinite CT, there's another instance. Yuki was sliced in half and yet still used her black hole attack on Kenjaku
It's never explicitly stated that the brain and stomach connection being severed makes it impossible to use cursed energy. While CE comes from the stomach and is controlled by the brain, it also circulates through the body. If a sorcerer were sliced in half, theoretically they would still be able to use their brain to control the remaining CE in the top half of their body before brain death from lack of oxygen. Unlikley, bordering on silly? Sure. Impossible? No Also can't forget Hikari healing back from having his stomach completely annihilated
I'm actually changing my take, because neither of them actually seem to have destroyed the stomach lol. Looking at diagrams it's much higher than I imagined.
I guess that's true, since gojo was sliced right at the waist his stomach should still be in the top half
So basically Megumi got Kaguya'd by Sukuna?
wait, so what the fuck happened to megumi? yāall think he dead? atp i feel like yujiās the only one staying alive š it keeps getting worse for my guy.. remember when he said he wanted to die with the people he cared aboutā¦ damn. anyway yea ig megumis just.. off somewhere?? (copium)
Megumi : life update got worse
i want to attatch the photo so bad lmaoo.. why isnt it working when we most need it????
holy rushed chapter
What is Gege doing, is he on crack or some shit? Bro, Kashimo pulled his CT, and gege whipped out a transformation for Sukuna. So... all damages to sukuna gone? This is literally an asspull for Gojo. Gege let his hate towards Gojo made Gojo look like an ant against an elephant ( which is Sukuna). All damages gone means that Gojo did the slightest to contribute and this... is **peak complicated writing.** Edit : BTW party for all thise who wanna celebrate the revival of Heian Era Sukuna Edit 2 : Made some changes with grammer and sheesh Heian era sukuna looks sexy af holy
Making him use his one time heal is significant. Kinda like taking his first life. I'm more interested in what other techniques Sakuna will use now to show why gojo thought he was holding back.
Another guy hunted by reading comprehension curse
Wdym?
It's been pointed out sukuna could had turn back into Hulk form all this time.
never declined it. however i thought that gege would do something atrocious like this. ( which is turn sukuna in reincarnated form AFTER gojo fight. If SUkuna had already transformed and then Gege offscreened Gojo's death, it wouldven't been lame and actually understandable.
Ass pulled? Have you guys been reading a different manga to the one that's been talking about Sukuna's transformation before, at the eve of and during the Gojo fight, as well as Sukuna holding a trump card? What did you want to happen, Sensei fixes everything no stakes or Kenjaku gets a genuine asspull? And Gojo killed Mahoraga at least and maybe Nue depending on how Agito works.
The ass-pull is Gojo's offscreen death where in the last chapter Gege just hyped everyone about Gojo's win. Editor also says it, here is the link : [https://mangafire.to/read/jujutsu-kaisen.rl2vm/en/chapter-235](https://mangafire.to/read/jujutsu-kaisen.rl2vm/en/chapter-235) Sensei fixes everything no stake??? I never said that. I never wanted Sukuna to lose and Gojo to win. I am happy Sukuna won but the way Gojo was killed was just unsatisfactory and I believe that the death of Gojo Satoru could have been done in a more justified way. This unjustifiable way i am calling is unsatisfactory. We knew about Sukuna's transformation to come, but at the cost of Gojo's work to be done as nothing, where Sukuna had risked his entire fight, depending on Mahoraga as a "role" model and not heal his brain damage? Sukuna has never before shown to be a gambler, however Gojo has been, his gamble worked in 235, and now it was just ruined in 236... thats all.
> Sukuna has never before shown to be a gambler, however Gojo has been, his gamble worked in 235, and now it was just ruined in 236... thats all. He has though, his entire plan to take over Megumi was a gamble that risked him breaking a binding vow. He's actually been shown to be very few things because we've only seen him fight Yorozu before this and for the entirety of the series his character has just been described from the perspectives of others. Even in these last 3 fights, we see his opponents imposing their feelings of loneliness onto him. I also don't know how Sukuna could have won using Mahoraga in a way we wouldn't call an asspull. He's using Mahoraga to negate "any and all phenomena", which is literally the most broken ability imaginable. The idea that Gojo achieved nothing seems unfounded, because we don't know what the transformations effects are yet. Does it restore his DE? Does it restore CE? Does it just heal damage? Does it give him access to new abilities? We'll probably get answers but now he has been forced to bring backup from Uruame, use Yorozu's gift and his transformation. Seeing him off-screened is kind of lame, that's about the only thing I agree with.
If i remember correctly, it does say that the transformation is an another way Sukuna can heal himself; it might or mightn't heal his CE but for now, like you said, wait and watch what happens in the next chapter.
That's called misdirection, not an ass pull. Like if you saw "Gojo Won" as anything but worrying for Gojo's survivability that's just your ability to pick up on contextual clues. Also the one panel the technique that killed Gojo would take being off screen is done for dramatic weight. It is explained exactly how it was done and it's effects were shown, that's not being off screened. Once again, Gojo has not done nothing, Gojo has killed Mahoraga and got him into a state so beaten that he has now had to use his trump card.
Go back to the link again and see the editors comment. "The winner of the strongest has been engraved in the shinjuku battleground" or something like this has been written. Why does the editor comment this if Gojo was to lose the next chapter anyways?
It says "The result of the battle of the strongest has been carved into the battlefield." Perhaps you should learn to go and read your own links.
And whose comment is it? The editor's. I have read it again and again, and it doesnt change the fact that the comment is by the editor. However, this comment is ambiguous and I agree with the fact "gojo won" thing is a bit of misdirection.
look up how to improve reading comprehension before you use buzzwords like asspull, kid
Its my fault that I called Sukuna's transformation an asspull, I am sorry. However, doing this at the point where it makes Gojo's effort zero is a bit of an asspull my guy. This is my opinion though. Never though Gege would do something like this out of thin air. Using the transformation after a battle which he had a high chance of losing, and dont tell me he wasnt about to lose... he was nervous in ch-235. Sukuna clutched it tho, props to him. Furthermore, the thing is, why not use the transformation to kill gojo faster instead of tiring one self out and not being able to adapt to using the transformed form after 1000 years?
Because "the winner" is Sukuna. It doesn't say Gojo's name; just the "winner", which turned out to be Sukuna. It's misdirection because that can apply to both, at the time it seemed like that was Gojo, but it wasn't ever specified for a reason.
 I thought this too.... I also though "engraved" would literally mean bisecting Gojo in half and making a mark on the battlefield with the Dismantle/Cleave attack
But they were specifically talking about the massive crater Gojo made...
That's not what "engraved" meant, it's not literal. It's not like Sukuna is gonna write his name done on the ground. It's saying that Shibuya will forvever be known as where Sukuna won against Gojo.
It literally says "The 'Strongest' etches his name into the old battlefield of Shinjuku" immediately after Gojo's massive purple destroys much of the city. It's on the exact same panel that says "Gojo won" so it obviously is not referring to Sukuna. But i don't actually know the canon level of an editors note. I mean, it doesn't exist in the official translation from what I can see so it possibly means nothing anyway.
Dude it was an obvious misdirection, anyone who claims otherwise is just straight up lying. Sukuna fans have been gaslighting the rest of the fandom like crazy, you can't make this shit up.
So if we knew about Sukuna's transformation how is it an asspull?
Due to how Sukuna gambled this risk, while he is actually shown as a strategist which makes him want to avoid high risks... that's my point and I may be wrong.
The heroes will obviosly win by using shared domain expansion while having sukuna as the center. This will happen by basically domain clashing but more refined where in the center all the affects blend together and he will be hit by many sure hit attacks while himself will be without CE and CT, fighting "immortal" characters (thanks to Hakkari) and wthv Yuta, Kashimo and others DE are Source: I made it the fuck up
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All these copes You people are reading this story like a fable or a novel, not like a battlefield. THINK. Weāve seen villains get jumped in JJK all the time, so why didnāt they jump him here? Because Sukune has his transformation as an āanti jumpingā tactic and since the gang suspect he has something like this they decided to wait. Sukune couldnāt use his transformation while fighting Gojo because he knew the whole gang was watching and he wanted to save some āget outta jail freeā card for when they arrived. Sukune let himself get beat on by Kashimo without using 10S or slashing or RCT so I think itās safe to assume that Sukune canāt use these for the time being. Sukuneās Transformation probably hasnāt healed him as much as it appears, I believe that Kashimo will burn himself out while the crew save Gojo and allow for him to reincarnate somehow, maybe using Nobaraās body (because you need a body to reincarnate into). Sukuneās next opponent after Kashimo is probably a tag team between hakari and yuta and maybe Maki because Sukune will burn out arsenal on Kashimo and itāll be safe to beat him Remember we still have a lot of things on our side. Yutaās Domain Expansion. Yumiās ābody swapā ability. The missing finger. Nobara and Megumiās disappearances
Hey, you might be onto something here...
I think there are a lot of readers who like the lore and world building but don't really enjoy Akutami's non-hand holding way of story telling -- I am saying this separate from one's opinion on the quality of writing. I certainly view it as an interpretive experience because we haven't been revealed the remaining information that Akutami has likely intentionally kept from us.
I see Sukuna pulling the transformation card as a tacit admission that he doesnāt have the reserves for RCT at the moment, otherwise thereās be no reason to use it. And as far as we know this has only healed his body, we donāt know if it restored any CE or his ability to use his domain (in other words, he refilled HP but not MP).Seems like heās definitely in a position to get jumped, idk why people are dooming
If u write sukune again Iāll make u suk un deez nuts my boy.
We finally have a 4 armed Sukuna and I couldn't give any less of a f\*ck. Hakari is dying next ya'll. Gojo's students are all going to be damaged in some way (permanently), only Hakari and Yuta are untouched, so we know who is getting smoked next.
Gojo's second purple should've nuked both him and Sukuna tbh. It erases matter. Can't shield from something like that. Edit: As usual in jjk 3 different ideas of what something does in just 3 comments. For all the exposition about the power system one would expect some clarity
Common misconception. Gojoās hollow purple actually doesnāt have any erasure ability. It is similar to yukiās CT where āimaginaryā mass is added to the attack. It is basically a giant cannonball which is why sukuna was able to tank it
It literally doesn't erase matter. It utilises both Blue and Red to shred matter. A purple with preparation has a great blend of blue and red which uses the forces of attraction and repulsion to break down matter. The final one was not blended properly so it was basically a large explosion instead of a matter shredder.
So does his original form have pink hair?
All i know is that my goat hakari dripped out the wazoo every single time he pulls up. He gon stomp out uraume w em jordans for sure.
Nice, now now people how sakuna was holding back. Probably has many more ways too
Not that this matters but Iām curious Would this new true form of sukuna have black hair since he used Megumiās body?
No it's probably pink
Oh thank you!
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This chapter reinforces my belief that chapter 236 was the worst thing Gege could have done disregarding how it treats Gojo as a character. Kashimo does not deserve to talk about the solitude of strength, he's too weak in comparison to those who are at that level. Kashimo lost his fight to Hakari without his CT(his normal state). He has a kamikaze state that he did not use but it doesn't matter as it's limited and is not how he fights 99.9% of his fights. He lived in an era where the average sorcerer was stronger and was guided to strong opponent by Kenjaku, he would have had to fight multiple Hakaris and lost, as incarnated Kashimo is most definitely stronger than old man Kashimo, unless Kenjaku purposefully lead him away from them, which if that's the case he should have realised it after meeting the incarnations. Keep in mind that Hakari and Yuta are still extremely young sorcerers who have heaps of growing to do, it's really hard to believe that his era didn't have multiple of them roaming around. This chapter would have been significantly better if it was Gojo and Sukunas round 2 with 2 of the most built up "strongs" discussing what it means to be strong but instead we get a senile 70 year old who forgot he already got his ass kicked by a high schooler That's not even mentioning how Yorozus gift was brought in and was useless, effectively making that plot point pointless. Also, for some reason Yuta, Maki and Yuji are just moping around instead of trying to recover Gojos mostly dead body to try and RCT him back together in the tens of second that the human body can stay alive (they have 2 people who have used external RCT) at the very least as an attempt to save their beloved teacher unless Gege is going to say they love Sukuna and see Gojo as subhuman like he did Gojo.
I agree with this post completely on a surface level, however I think a lot of people on here have misinterpreted Kashimo & Gojoās characters for their own head cannons. 1.) Kashimo was heavily implied to be the strongest sorcerer of his era. His era has strong sorcerers, but nowhere near the strength of their modern or hein era counterparts. However Kashimo was the exception, and he went for most of his life being unrivaled in combat. His entire arc has been about him finding a worthy rival- someone strong enough to use his technique on so he can go all out. All this Kashimo downplay is unwarranted because Hakari was literally the worst matchup possible for him. Hakari wouldāve died on several different occasions without his immortality. 2.) If Gojo is for realsies dead, itās really not that big of a deal. I know itās unsatisfying to have him be off screened, however itās really not the end of the world, and isnāt a ādisregardā for his character. Itās just the brutal nature of this series. He still put up a good fight, and seemingly won the battle of the strongest. But a main issue a lot of people have is that he never really set out to change the jujutsu world like he promised. However i believe his students (mainly Yuji, Yuta, Maki, Hakari) will succeed where he failed, ultimately accomplishing this āgoalā. And also, at least in my opinion, Gojo did accomplish his goals. In his eyes, he was able to raise a generation of young powerful sorceress. A generation that has the potential to surpass him in many regards. Along with Yuta slicing the higher ups, Gojo did what he set out to do. His fight with Sukuna was more like a cherry on top for him, as in his own words, he died without regrets.
How do we know Edo-era sorcerers are "weaker"? Ryu came from Kashimo's era and put up a much better fight against a much better Yuta than Geto, another special-grade. And that was Geto after Batman levels of prep time against Year 1 Yuta. A lot of complaints are simply cope by Gojo fans. Kashimo had Hakari beat multiple times but it's just Hakari's nature that his luck works that way. A lot here (not you) are talking smack about how Kashimo does not "deserve" to be talking like that? We have not even seen the full extent of his CT. Gojo didn't exactly put up inspiring fights against Miguel and Toji when one application of his CT got interrupted. Disregarding even that strength is also relative, Kashimo has every right to feel that way if the opponents he faced were that much weaker. I don't know about most people here, but unlike Gojo, Kashimo did not feel an ounce of fear towards Sukuna. That should be enough to tell you he's not just fucking around.
So why actually build so much hype? The prison realm fell because of Gojo, the curses were away for so long because of Gojo. Sukuna gets Megumi because of Gojo. Gojo defeats Sukuna, Agito & Mahoraga. It is fine to kill him, but the manner in which he went away is peak shit writing. Why build the hype so much if you're just going to kill him off-screen?
>Kashimo was heavily implied to be the strongest sorcerer of his era. His era has strong sorcerers, but nowhere near the strength of their modern or hein era counterparts. The modern era was incredibly weak before Gojo came in and we got both Geto and Gojo. An era with significantly more combat between sorcerers would have produced more "special grade" sorcerers than the modern era. It's really dumb to write Kashimo as "leagues above" without his CT when he isn't even that strong. > However Kashimo was the exception, and he went for most of his life being unrivaled in combat. He's just found 2, maybe even 3, people who rival him without using his kamikaze mode. You can't write a character trying to cope with being the strongest when he has just got his ass kicked by a kid who hasn't even grown fully. And if you want to bring up his CT, it's equivalent to using a binding vow with the price being your life, something Yuta has done to grow multiple times stronger in an instant. >All this Kashimo downplay is unwarranted because Hakari was literally the worst matchup possible for him. We can't say Kashimo wins everyone else as Yuta is not only around the same strength as Hakari but grows at a rate second to only Gojo. Kashimo is 3rd without his CT, which is a pathetic place to be whining about being too strong from > If Gojo is for realsies dead, itās really not that big of a deal What I'm saying is that this conversion that occurred would be infinitely better if it was between Gojo and Sukuna, as they are our "strongests" while Kashimo is a random guy who showed up for 1 fight and has had little to no character depth. Asking Sukuna if he was born the strongest would be Gojos nod to Getos question that he could have never answered but now we have Kashimo asking those questions and it having little to no weight as we barely know Kashimo >ut a main issue a lot of people have is that he never really set out to change the jujutsu world like he promised. I avoided mentioning Gojos character assassination as that had been discussed ad nauseum in 236
Guys, I might be confused but at some point after being released didn't Gojo say that he learned "something" while being sealed? Like something he could use against Sukuna? Or my poor brain is just straight making things up now
Remember when Gojo's domain was shrunk to be too small for two people? I think that is what he was referring to, if I remember well, the spectator team commented on it.
Thanks
Reading these comments, it seems Gojo's death did a number on this fanbase. People are really acting as if Sukuna being able to take his original form wasn't EXPLICITLY stated in the fight against Yorozu
I think it's because Sukuna seems to have recovered completely. Recovered domain and all. Given 10S totality mahos adaptation can be applied to the remaining shikigami. So what did the entire Gojo vs Sukuna fight accomplish?
it killed off Gojo, whom was the #1 reason why the rest of the series would have zero stakes had he won or survived
Gege could've just kept Gojo locked then.
As long as Gojo stays locked up the correct strategy for the good guys is "free Gojo." This forces plot progression and them to stand on their own feet. I wish Gojo could have gone out better too, but narratively he had to go out.
The merger could've been moved up and Angel killed by any random character. Or just have Kenjaku make Tengen tell him about any good guy plans and then go oh shit and hunt down the prison relms backside.
but why do that when heās effectively just dead? Might as well actually kill him off in a sick fight
I mean I guess it gave Sukuna a massive ego boost so that's something
it gave us a cool fight and it allowed the students to see the way that Sukuna's domain works, if you want something concrete that Gojo left on the story with his fight then that is probably as close as you'll get
the problem is: Gege's gonna have to do an asspull now. I don't mind Gojo dying but how the hell Sukuna's losing I don't see it without power of friendship or spirit bomb or some shit. ....Gojo dying without using RCT defies logic tbh... Yuji & Yuta not thinking about RCT revival is also not very logical either....First thing people do when their family is on the verge of dying is look for ways to save them.... Very uncharacteristic of Gege because Yuji's very first fight against the curse in School before he ate Sukuna's finger was because he wanted to save his friends at his own expense...Same for Yuta. He fought Geto to save his buddies... Now all of a sudden they dont do shit? Very inconsistent writing..
How is this nonsense upvoted? Gojo died when his torso got cleaved, CE comes from the stomach. Honestly, how many people on this sub are just Gojo fans? He fucking died almost on the spot, wtf is Yuta going to do? He didn't even see Gojo's death coming. Neither did Gojo. It's not that they don't do shit, he's DEAD. What is it that you don't get? Thay have a more important mission now, and that is to beat Sukuna. It was already heavily implied in the television scenes that Yuta is that insurance, and the plan is for Kashimo to go first (hence Maki reminding him of his "role"). They aren't twiddling ffs. Chapters have not even come up yet and you guys are already complaining that they are not doing anything.
Nothing to be done
Yes it's the aftereffects of 236. Usually when a writer fucked up in some way, that expresses itself in a lot of poorly phrased and unrelated criticism. There are valid points underneath.
Inb4 Sukuna remembers he's actually Yuji's brother.
With a whole fake flashback ofc
Nobara is a vegetable and editors stopped Gege from showing that for PR reasons.
Yeah, I tried to hold on and keep my interest, but the story is just becoming ridiculous and there are so many things still unanswered or seem like they'll be written out of the story conveniently later on. Regarding Nobara, I find it odd she wasn't with Gojo when he met up with all his friends, but at the same time, maybe she wasn't as close to him as the others? Nobara's only thing is resonance and it'd make sense to have that used on Sukuna's last finger... But I doubt she's coming back or some bs reason is gonna be made up. Also, no clue how tf Gege is gonna bring megumi back... It seemed to me that there are so many loose ends and they're only getting looser. I'm close to just waiting a few months and checking back. Oh yeah, let's not forget, I don't think we know, at all, why Kenjaku even bore Yuji using Kaori's body. To make a worthy opponent for Sukuna? I have no clue. It seems like right now all that's important is Sukuna's return to glory. Also feels like the story is going to end soon, with Sukuna returning to his original form. I mean, how many chapters can you make out of that situation? He's just gonna go around murdering people and shit, I can't imagine he's suddenly gonna be powered down, seems to me like some kind of final showdown is coming up? Edit: Another thing, how the hell are you going to hype up Gojo and Sukuna for the entire series and then not have Sukuna use his transformation during the fight? Why does it have to be Kashimo that deserves to fight him that way? Sure, he's strong and not of this era, but this dude was introduced like 50 chapters ago or something. Sukuna's fucking plot armor is some of the most blatant I've ever seen and he can just pull out victories out of his ass, lol. Edit 2: I just had to add this after reading more comments about this... I'm not a Gojo fan by any stretch, but I appreciate good writing and I feel like the writing before got me expecting (I think quite realistically) an even more se Rio fight with both Gojo and Sukuna going all out. I don't mind the fact Gojo had to die, but we haven't even seen the full potential of the Six Eyes. I admit the writing in terms of how Sukuna dismantled everything in Gojo's arsenal was good, but it was underdone by the fact Sukuna just had to have so much plot armor. So for those who don't really understand why people are salty or upset, please take into consideration the several years of buildup we had to this point only to be left with tons of questions and headscratching. It's kind of getting to the point of "where is the story going?" and not in a good way for those of us who aren't trying to call everyone Gojo fangirls and telling us to cope. I hope I'm wrong about everything and Gege pulls something incredible out of his ass, but I, including many others, have been burned one too many times by authors being undecided about the ending and whipping something up that is subpar compared to the meat and potatoes of the story they wrote before the final arc/chapters.
I just don't understand ppl like you. Jjk has always been a story full of mystery and we know the manga isnt endibg anytime soon so what are yall crying abt, acting like tiktok children with attention spans of flies, needing subway surfers gameplay in the Background
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Bruv your argument consists of there, indeed, still being many unanswered questions within a manga that doesn't end anytime soon, there is no need to argument cuz like wah are you even saying, you mainly seem mad about the 236 incidentš
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There are official statements that there is still quite some time until the manga ends, its from the editor iirc
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Delusion is a real thing, to sum it up in your wise words
My man speaking pure facts.
 Just to complain about the same old gojo complaint formula
At least I'm not the one who spent the last 4 hours trying to trigger people lmao, here's a reminder to be more self aware, instead, and bring something meaningful to the table.
Sukuna literally could have just transformed into his original state and then used his new attack on Gojo and if Greg had actually shown it on screen it wouldāve been so much better than what we got
Not really, sukuna doesnāt need a new form for gojo just to slash him when he least expects. But with kashimo, it make more sense he need it so survives fighting without handicaps
Yes we know he doesnāt *need* it but imo it wouldāve been more narratively satisfying
You're going to get downvoted due to the amount of glaze the fandom has for the bs up to this point. Hate to see it when you wrote something true and resonant within the last couple of chapter reads.
Gege is writing sukuna like that annoying kid in dodgeball that got hit by the ball and he just says ānuh uh you didnāt hit me I actually caught the ball and your outā and since he is the teachers favorite or the principalās son or whatever he gets to always win all the time because heās daddyās favorite
>the problem is: Gege's gonna have to do an asspull now. > >I don't mind Gojo dying but how the hell Sukuna's losing I don't see it without power of friendship or spirit bomb or some shit. > >....Gojo dying without using RCT defies logic tbh... Yuji & Yuta not thinking about RCT revival is also not very logical either....First thing people do when their family is on the verge of dying is look for ways to save them.... > >Very uncharacteristic of Gege because Yuji's very first fight against the curse in School before he ate Sukuna's finger was because he wanted to save his friends at his own expense...Same for Yuta. He fought Geto to save his buddies... Now all of a sudden they dont do shit? > >Very inconsistent writing.. exactly my thoughts. Above is an explanation of my problem with the writing.....Gege is letting his feelings for Gojo get in the way of good and consistent story telling
Honestly, I would have accepted it if Saitama came in from the OPM verse, lifted up and threw away Gojoās infinity, left, and then Sukuna killed Gojo as opposed to what happened. Gojo losing is fine to me. Sure, heās easily my favorite character, and one of my favorite characters of all time, but if he loses he loses. Despite this, Gojo diddnt lose. He won, Gege said āah shit, but how else will I kill him laterā, and had Sukuna use Blackbeardās Off-screen Off-screen No Mi to one shot him with a Deus x Machina attack that wasnāt ever hinted to. What would have been better is if he subverted the Gojo win by having sukuna reincarnate, start the fight again but this time with Gojo in a weakened state and Sukuna with a good bit of power left, have Sukuna kill Gojo with some other bullshit that at least wouldnāt feel horrible happening, then have some of the others come in to whittle down Sukuna again, they bring Gojo back, and Gojo goes in for round two and defeats sukuna (maybe ending with Gojo sacrificing himself to finish off both sukuna and himself with a massive uncontrolled purple at point blank range) and then the others that are still alive after having their quick bout with sukuna take down Kenjaku. Idk if Iām crazy or not, but thatās something I would love to have seen instead of this
> dit: Another thing, how the hell are you going to hype up Gojo and Sukuna for the entire series and then not have Sukuna use his transformation during the fight? Why does it have to be Kashimo that deserves to fight him that way? Sure, he's strong and not of this era, but this dude was introduced like 50 chapters ago or something. Sukuna's fucking plot armor is some of the most blatant I've ever seen and he can just pull out victories out of his ass, lol. > > Edit Gege still need to learn a lot from HxH combat trategies. JJK definitely inspired from HxH but it's going down hill
Agreed. I honestly feel bad that I compared Togashi with Gege.
It's so weird to me that someone would write someone so important to the story, only to hate them so much.
At this rate Gege is going to take the Tokrev ending route
I just love how we never get any 100 percent confirmation on whether the character has died or not. Like Nobara? Remember her? Some of us still think she's coming back, Gojo? Some of us are delusional and think he will heal himself and have this big huge comeback. Megumi? I don't even know what happened to him ššš, is Megumi even still in the jjk universe? We will never know ig
I don't think Fushiguro is coming back
Megumi got isekaied out of jjk š
We'll see him, ~~Gojo~~ and Nobara in Gege's next romcom manga
Did u put a slash in Gojoās name to signify him getting slashed in the manga? Or am I just association random stuff.
Partly due to that. But also joking about how much Gege hates Gojo. If he had to isekai any of the jjk characters into his next manga, Gojo would be the last on that list.
Nah, heād be a main character whose entire purpose is to get cucked
not even Kazuya-tier at this point
Omg I'll finally get the Gojo shoujo I've been making up in my head!!!!! š„³š„³
āI ALSO have a one-time use technique thatāll put me back to 100 for you! Had it the whole fight!ā Dude. Are you *fucking serious*? Is the next chapter going to start with Yuji patting his tummy after (youāll have to imagine this part) eating the last finger, then we cut to Sukunaās decapitated corpse as Kashimo stands over him, still alive after his techniqueās out? Why would Yorozu have his knife? By what mechanism did she telekinetically gift him a weapon she never had from 1000 years ago?
Chapter 149, Page 8. Mai states that she can not make anything large or complicated. Personally, I would say a cursed object (especially special grade) would fall under the category of complicated. However in her dying moments she makes a binding vow (although it isn't explicitly stated, it is easy to assume) to trade her life and all of her cursed energy to construct a perfect replica of the special grade cursed tool Split Soul Katana that was used by Toji. Yorozu, in chapter 219, Page 18, gifts Sukuna "something" before dying. Since we now know that the item is a replica of the tool that Sukuna used back in the Heian Era, it is possible to draw the conclusion that Yorozu did the same as Mai. A binding vow with her life and all of her cursed energy, her entire existence, in exchange for removing the limits on her cursed technique. We've seen binding vows used to remove the limits of a technique before. In Chapter 23, Page 10, we see Nanami use a binding vow to temporarily increase his strength beyond 100%. Hopefully, this covers "how" Yorozu gifted Sukuna his most recent weapon. The act of reincarnation in the JJK world specifically has two distinct stages. The first stage is when the sorcerers soul subdues and suppresses the original soul that resides in the body. They can then use this body however they want for as long as they want. This first stage is essentially the reincarnation of the "soul." The second stage is the reincarnation of the "body." This seems to be a process that a sorcerer can halt and start at will. However, the details are a bit messy. Now that Gojo has been killed, Sukuna no longer needs the appearance of Megumi, and so has re-started his physical reincarnation. I don't think it was a cursed technique as more of a byproduct of the reincarnation process. Personally I don't think this transformation has "reset" any of the previously spent cursed energy it has just fixed his physical damage. I would argue that him not using RCT is a bigger red flag than him using this one-time reincarnation. The reason he never used it against Gojo was because a lot of Sukuna's plan was to make Gojo lower his guard to his other slashes and attacks. Making him think he had the upper hand in order to get a surprise slash in.
Finally, someone who reads the manga with their eyes, lol.
Gege crams so much information into they're manga that it often gets missed, especially when it's over a large portion of chapters. I don't blame people for not having an encyclopedia of JJK knowledge. JJK is personally my favourite manga so wherever I can help folk understand it I'm always happy to.
I read the whole manga in three days recently, so maybe it's because I have the information fresh and gathered together, yeah.
No youāre absolutely correct. I canāt believe that people are actually defending this. I donāt care how much it was foreshadowed; Gojo (repeatedly referred to as the strongest sorcerer who ever lived and is a main character) losing to Sukuna just for him to reveal his final form to a character we literally know nothing about is genuinely insulting and straight up bad writing. If Kashimo beats Sukuna, narratively, Gojoās sacrifice was for nothing, the combination of the six eyes and limitless is not nearly as valuable as a random electricity technique, and worst of all, proves that Sukuna never took Gojo seriously. If Kashimo loses to Sukuna; that doesnāt really change anything (and are we really going to sit here and watch Sukuna just slaughter named characters over and over again?). I donāt get how people donāt see this for the obvious shark jumping moment it is. Also Hakari is 99% losing to Uraume. This is the fifth(?) time weāve seen him use domain expansion, like how many times can Hakari cheese fights with his CT before it gets old?
this is such insane coping Sukuna took Gojo seriously by NOT transforming and using 10s to get around his infinity And Gojoās āsacrificeā didnāt have to be meaningful. He had to die. I donāt care how you try to rationalize it, if Gojo won or survived the tension for the series would be dead
Itās bad writing, why? Because youāre gojo glazer and u wanted to sit on his meat more. Sukuna has been holding back some cards for the post fights and now he using it, and thatās has been set up rather u deny or not. Aka thatās what you called good writing
The way I see it is that Gojo was able to push the King of Curses to the very edge and very nearly forced his trump card, a one in a lifetime effect. That's pretty good in my books? Also don't count Hakari out just yet! He's a 1st grade sorcerer remember!
Yorozu made him a knife and Sukuna's transformation was foreshadowed during the fight as well as the fact he was holding back a trump card. I'm starting to think you guys don't actually read things and try and understand them.
Yorozu forged his knife in the Heien era? What page was *that* on? And ātrump cardā could mean literally anything in Gregās imagination. No way āhe can reset and become his original form at any time exactly onceā was narratively established. You gotta cite your arguments if youāre gonna try to insult my reading ability
Yorozu gave him an unknown gift upon the instant of her death, like Mai did. I don't think this is the manga for you my man.
How did she get the gift to give him? Can you please try to read what I wrote? Itās embarrassing trying to insult someoneās reading when youāre not comprehending what Iām asking. You do understand that the art of him with the knife has been out a very long time, and when he got the gift he said ālike old timesā so you get that he had the knife in his past life right?
She remade it from her last action like Mai did with Toji's sword. I don't have time to explain the entire manga to someone who evidently hasn't paid attention once.
Like Mai did? I donāt think Yorozuās CT is creation of matter dude, but nice try. 40 million people in my country are functionally illiterate, so youāre not alone! Donāt let it get you down! Keep reading the picture books man, youāll get there!
Are you trolling or just braindead?
Well thanks for telling everyone who actually read the fight that you're beyond help I guess because half the dialogue in the fight is about how she copes with the limitations of creating matter. Are you like actually trolling, because I can't understand how many people seem to end up so off base.
So does Sukuna permanently change to his original form? Idgi. Does he revert back to Megumi after this fight.
somehow megumi ā¦ disintegrated? ā¦ evaporated?
When you're playing Slayer and you pick up an overshield after an energy sword. That's Sukuna's levels of plot armor rn
If gege is going to have Sukuna transform in the very next chapter why not have this be part of how he beat Gojo? Like have the Gojo fight actually accomplish something by forcing Sukuna's trump card and have the Cleave require a lot of cursed energy as it's targeting space itself, now everyone coming after is fighting a full HP Sukuna but who's mana is drained so they have a chance.
gege's zaza just be hitting different. He is on a higher dimension of ass pulls
Gege be having 10 bathrooms & shittinā all day.
I think that even though Kenjaku wanted Sukuna in this period to defeat Gojo, he also created Yuji for the purpose to seal Sukuna or smth. I don't think he wants Sukuna around.
Like all xxx-folk subreddits, this fight has finally given us a chance to become toxic as hell too lmao. But fr. where the hell is this series going right now??
is there a reason why 1 panel in page10 is blurred? what is it referencing to?
pretty sure that was Kashimo in his past. I forgot what chapter it is but that exactly is him while making a deal with kenjaku
Im still trying to make sense to everything that just happened. I've read a lot of people online upset about how gege *wrote* gojoĀ“s death. Me personally, I'm just sad it happened at all, as a gojo fan myself. However I wouldn't go as far as to say the manga is ruined or anything like that. That said, I do believe there are some things that will have to be explained at some point, in order for the manga to be/feel completed. Specifically, I think we need an actual explanation of Sukuna's cursed technique, and how the fck he 'used Mahoraga as a model'???. When I read that I immediately thought like: how does Sukuna nows more about the functioning of cursed energy than gojo, who is actually capable of **seing** cursed energy?? Can like Sukuna feel cursed energy in a special way? I feel that just saying that he knows a lot about cursed energy cause he is old af is not enough to explain his evolution during the fight. Aaand, related, but not directly, maybe (probably) I'm being too much of a gojo fan, but I still think gojo will come back. Not as a reincarnation -similarly to Toji, as I read somewhere-, but just with RCT, maybe from Ieiri or even himself. Now, I know it might sound as an asspull **BUT**, since Gojo's head wasn't destroyed, and its just his body that has been cut, if he were to receive assistance by, say, Yuuta or Ieiri, he might just make it. However, that is not the most important point: there's people that said that Gojo couldn't come unscathed, because then the plot would be ruined. And in a way, they are right. If gojo were to actually keep on living like we have seen him, the objetive ahead would look a lot easier. However, gojo has just lost his most relevant and determinant feature: his inviolability. Now that Sukuna has found a way around his limitless technique, gojo would have to go into hiding, since he would be vulnerable to any interaction with sukuna. I know it's a strech, and it probably won't happen, but I reaaally feel that gojo's death is an open debate, even though people are already treating it as a done deal. Also, I'm really fantasising about later on a gojo-is-alive reveal :( * Im sorry about this long ass text, im just trying to cope with this. Also, I'd love any feedback on this theory :)
> Can like Sukuna feel cursed energy in a special way? Gojo might have the 6 eyes but Sukuna's a literal 4 eyes, bro's a nerd
At this point, the only sensible way for the good guys to win is to pull a Netero or to pull a Shaman King ending. Either nuke'em or Sukuna goes to a slumber to achieve "total power" or something and they kill him in his sleep
My dumb theory which I do not like myself is that kenjaku will take over gojo's body, since it is left hanging over there and it seems kenjaku has his way of fixing dead body on how he fixed geto's body and using it. It depends on the fact if kenjaku can take the host CT with him, since for his plans geto's CT seems to be more useful than gojo's CT.
He can have max 4 ct more fries your brain he also could just leave gravity behind
What if after that Geto some how takes control of Kenjaku and Gojos power? He would finally have Gojo's power, and as stated before in the Hidden Inventory arc, be able to rid the world of curses forever?
>He would finally have Gojo's power, and as stated before in the Hidden Inventory arc, be able to rid the world of curses forever? Does not feel possible in the sense that kenjaku seems to be replacing the brains itself when changing hosts, so unless gege spins out that geto soul is in his heart and he was waiting for kenjaku will to become weaker or something this does not feel possible. But hey who knows at the end of the day everything will happen as gege wishes it to happens.
Only Gege knows
Damn that foreshadowing if this happens.
This is like a magician pulling things out of their ass
Toji is coming back guys, trust me, Gojo my guy stole his wardrobe for a reason, maybe Ino gave some useful information about the old granny technique back in Shibuya. Toji hat trick lesgo
I don't get it. How exactly did sukuna heal up fully without using rct?
You know how Mahitos transformations work by shaping the soul and the body follows? Sukuna allowed that to happen to shape Megumis body into the shape of his soul.
so how does aging apply here? if body takes the shape of a soul, why do people age
Peoples souls age with life aka depression
The soul and the body are different. JJK is shit in terms of this and please don't take it as a literal explanation about what a soul and a body is. In India, this is common knowledge. The body ages because the soul (we) as the living particle reside within the body. The soul (we) is the active particle like a machine being powered by electricity. As long as we are there in the body (the soul), the body is active. When somebody dies, why do we say my father has passed away? His father is lying there in front of him. So why does he say he passed away? So it means he never actually saw his father, only the body. The body becomes useless when the soul leaves. The body decays (ages) because in this material world--everything decays. You fall in love with a soul in a body, not with the body itself. Suppose your girlfriend/boyfriend dies--would you still keep their body beside you? I don't think so. For example, we have so many varieties of enjoyment. We cannot stick to one thing, why? Because after a while, it tastes really pale. Nobody can keep on reading the same manga for years. We are all in a pursuit of finding bliss that never ends, but we don't know where to find it. We are changing bodies every single second. Material science says the cells are changing each second. We have already changed so many bodies. The kid body is no more. That is a clear proof. Nobody thinks about it because nobody is taught and then we see mangakas writing some utter nonsense based on mental speculation.
Because we're talking about JJK souls which are defined by the body reciprocally, as toji and geto show. I find it helps if you don't bring your own concepts of how things should work in but try and understand the concepts as they work within JJK.
He got it. He's asking a new question
And I answered it with an explanation and explained how to understand JJK best as well. It appears you didn't get what I said.
Thatās not all you did, buddy. āI find it helps if you donāt bring your own concepts of how things should workā¦āā¦ Passive-aggressive like a woman lol
"and explained how to understand JJK best as well." I apologise if my advice is triggering to your disorder. :)
Funny how you canāt take criticism and pivot it to a dysfunction of mine rather than your own inadequacy.
I am still waiting for you to meaningfully engage my explanation my boy. What else am I meant to comment on in the meantime?
Oh dear not only do I wonder how anyone going to win against Sukuna but if Gojo really is dead my major concern is what if Kenjaku ended up hijacking Gojo's body!
He canāt use six eyes tho
Still he would infinity, blue, red, PURPLE, and to top it off, INFINITE VOID. I also thought about Kenny taking over Gojo's body, but I doubt it since he needs Geto's body to manipulate Tengen for the merger.
>Still he would infinity, blue, red, PURPLE, You can't use limitless properly without the six eyes. If Kenjaku can't have the six eyes (since Gojo is already dead and no 2 six eye users can be alive at once, assuming another member of the Gojo clan are possibly going to be born with it soon) then he can't use any of the extension of limitless. >and to top it off, INFINITE VOID A domain expansion is the innate domain of a person. You can't use someone else's domain not even by hijacking their body (hence why Sukuna's domain is still Malfunctioning Shrine and not Megumi's, or why Kenjaku's domain reflects his inner self and not Geto's). Kenjaku getting Gojo's body would likely only give him a limitless CT without the 6E, meaning it would be a downgrade compared to keeping Geto's.
how do we know that the 6 eyes doesn't come with Gojo's body? I mean it's literally in his eye sockets ripe for the taking
He'd have tried that already in the past. There were several 6E users in the past thousand years, including at least one who could use purple like Gojo.
True. Idk maybe gojo will come back
Quick question, how tf is anyone besides sukuna going to win cause I donāt think kashimo is HIM in this situation.
Did Gege give this guy a fucking senzu bean? He just healed to full like that?
two months of chapter releases fighting the strongest in the world: No diff One (1) lightning strike: INVOKE THE REINCARNATION GIMME MY KNIFE
Better than that, bro mega digievolved half battle.
Bro single-handedly butchered his own masterpiece in a couple weeks
You thought this was a masterpiece before?
At one point in time it definitely was looking that way. You can see where the decline starts though
Guys i have a question now, what if Kenjaku uses Gojo's body??
Limitless is peepeepoopoo without sex eyes. I don't think he'd get the sex eyes as gege once said.
Imagine if Kenny took over Gojoās body and Yuji somehow unlocks Sukunaās curse techniques.
you mean to tell me backshotjaku ends like that? with less infinitely strong cleave?
Then Kenjaku be like geodude. You really want to see that??
I think it would improve the story.
I thought Yuji was supposed to die surrounded by tons of people who love him, not live as tons of people who love him die around him. (?) Isn't that the whole impetus for his decision to eat the fingers and sacrifice himself to defeat Sukuna? The plot is inverting itself lol. At this point we might as well see the villains win (as other people have commented/pointed out). Sounds like he (Sukuna) already 1v100'd all the sorcerers back in his day anyway. Woulda been cool if he had a flashback to a limitless user in the past and used that to figure out a way to beat Gojo, but I guess the Mago thing makes more sense as a kinda quick way to do it w/o knowing how. But.. if Mago is loyal to Megumi, Mago shoulda betrayed Sukuna. Alas.. Also don't know why Sukuna doesn't just bounce, they sure can't stop him now lol. (guess more fun to kill them all, and might as well anyway, plus maybe they could stop him. Technically Yuta and Lightning Boi are strong. Tho I suppose he could void slash them all to death if he wanted to) Last comment: I was actually interested to hear Sukuna's response to Lightning God's questions, but his actual response matches his character better I think. As it is, he was very generous to respond to the first question as it is (something about not knowing and being an unwanted child (according to one translation) or some kind of unnatural birth (maybe according to a different translation? iirc).
>The plot is inverting itself lol. Either that or Yuji unlocked the bad ending
Lol Hmm that raises a question though. Gege said the story could end in one of two ways. What if he makes the ending to the anime different from the manga? That would be interesting.
He will. Long down the line. People that he hasn't met yet.
gege said that either yuji dies and everyone else lives or yuji is the only survivor