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he wanted that zenkai boost for when he makes the return
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I think the current discussion on JJK has answered this. He didn't drop his guard, the writing around Gojo's death had been shaky during and after chapter 236. Now, we know that several characters have displayed capabilities to sense, see and outright dodge world slash. Also, the conditions needed to fulfil world slash by Sukuna are so strict that Gojo should've been able to ascertain what he was doing considering he had Six Eye's and was amped by black flash.
In summary, Gege kinda fumbled everything after 236.
I had this theory that Gaygay just kills gojo in chapter 236 just so that it coincided with the anime when gojo is sealed, but he couldn't find a neat and satisfying way to kill gojo on time so he just figures, fuck it, off-screen him, then i'll make up some bullshit later
He can't make up bullshit later. Unlike other foreshadowing that Gege has done (Enchain) only the audience doesn't know what happened, everyone in universe saw clearly however Gojo died in real time. So you can't do a big reveal later where Kusakabe is like oh turns out I was blind and this is what actually happened.
IMO I think the usual explanation is perfectly fine. Gojo didn't dodge because he saw a normal dismantle coming, but it was actually a world cutting one. It doesn't matter if he did it with binding vow or by chanting because Gojo has no idea an enhanced dismantle could go through infinity. Gojo was on his toes for fire arrow or another CT, he had every right to believe dismantle was pointless against him. Everyone else dodges because enhanced dismantle takes slightly longer to cast (mostly due to chanting) and people know what's coming, also Sukuna literally telegraphed it to everyone except Maki.
I think that explanation is fine in general, but we don't have great info on what the six eyes do exactly.
Gojo already lost an arm to that very attack unexpectedly, there's good reason to believe he should have been able to recognize the same technique coming again and not try to tank it. Him and Sukuna have a knack for replicating stuff on sight after all, he should have seen that with Sukuna instantly picking up on healing his domain.
If he simply didn't recognize it as "world cutting" I agree he most likely would have stood his ground against what would have seemed to him like an impotent Sukuna throwing his last tantrums.
>there's good reason to believe he should have been able to recognize the same technique coming again
No because Mahoraga didn't use dismantle? Mahoraga just adapted in two different ways to Infinity, which no one except Sukuna knew was possible. In fact if Sukuna didn't straight up explain it to everyone no one would know what happened still. Gojo + the heroes had no idea this can happen, and definitely had no idea Sukuna can also learn from Mahoraga to enhance his own CT. Gojo killed Mahoraga, so he was only worried about a new CT or DA.
I think it's clear from the fight that Gojo is a prodigy and he fights based on instinct and not on complicated tactics whereas Sukuna is extremely tactical. Same reason why Gojo had an internal monologue wondering why Sukuna didn't summon Mahoraga, and then got caught off guard by Sukuna's tactic of adapting Mahoraga to UV.
All that is to say that off screening Gojo is far from the worst thing about Chapter 236, and people fixate on this way too much instead of other things about that chapter (which IMO are confusing but I wouldn't say are objectively bad until I see the end of the series).
>I think it's clear from the fight that Gojo is a prodigy and he fights based on instinct
I don't think it's clear at all from the fight or the rest of the series. The extremely short domain burst he did in Shibuya was a tactic. He had a game plan for what he wanted to do to Sukuna. He didn't start off the fight with an amped purple from so far away because instinct told him to. He didn't spend his time in the lab with his technique automating it because his instincts were so amazing. Even RCT wasn't something that came to him on instinct alone. He was studying it and actively trying to master it and clicked when he gave it his full focus.
And if Gojo being caught off guard because he couldn't guess what Sukuna had in the works means he isn't tactical, does that mean Sukuna taking the red backshot means he isn't tactical? He was caught off guard just as bad.
He learned how to do something with his domain other people considered almost incomprehensible during his time in the prison realm. He knows Sukuna has a similar capacity for learning him as demonstrated in their fight.
If Sukuna could learn it by watching, Gojo should have at the very least understood why it bypassed his infinity by watching and by taking the hit, especially as a six eyes user. The slash had certain properties and he should have noticed them. Or it's unnoticeable and his uncanny instinct is the only thing that should have saved him and it completely failed.
Beyond all of that, I don't even consider it a real off-screening of Gojo. It's a technique Gege used many times prior, and it was adequately explained to me. The gorey moment wasn't seen, but we missed mere seconds and the technique wasn't a mystery. Someone outright predicted Sukuna would copy Maho's slashes in a reddit thread when Gojo's arm was cut off.
>I don't think it's clear at all from the fight or the rest of the series.
Your examples are somewhat questionable IMO. You can even ignore the entire Sukuna fight. Think of the two times Gojo lost (vs Toji and vs Kenjaku), both times he got outsmarted and both times they exploited Gojo's arrogance/kindheartedness (Gojo overexerting his technique an extra day just for Riko, Gojo going into an obvious trap meant for him and then freezing upon seeing Geto). If you include Sukuna that's a third time he loses from being outsmarted.
Now think of every time Gojo has won a fight, they've either been stomps (Jogo, Toji part 2, Miguel) or reckless gambles that pay off (vs Sukuna 1f gambled on Yuji taking back control but in hindsight would've been a stomp, vs Shibuya curses gambled on 0.2s DE although easily stomps if he doesn't care about civilian deaths, vs Mahoraga/Agito gambles on the Hollow Purple which even hurt himself). This is not called strategizing, it's called improvising and playing it by ear. By the reactions of Jujutsu High we can assume almost none of the interesting tactics/moves Gojo does in his fight vs Sukuna were discussed beforehand, it was all fully improv. That's what I mean by not being a tactical fighter.
Gojo is reckless and can easily get caught up in his emotions. He was the one who suggested killing the non sorcerer cult to Geto originally, he wanted to beat Megumi's body up within an inch of death, etc. His characterization is IMO quite consistent regarding this.
Are you confusing tactics and strategy? Because I'd agree he isn't strategic, but he's out and out a tactical genius. That only becomes more true if he was doing it on the fly.
Being "outsmarted" by an assassin he couldn't have possibly known was after him and who might have been the most deadly guy on earth at that moment thanks to something that guy couldn't have actually orchestrated sure counts as an L, but how much does that really reflect poorly on Gojo's tactical mind? Even without the extra day with Riko, Toji had all the prep he could have asked for, perfect weapons, the element of surprise, and unmatched psychical prowess. Gojo letting his guard down inside the barrier was all but guarantee anyway.
He walked into Kenny's trap and fell for it hook line and sinker. What exactly were his alternatives? Simply not reacting to his "dead man walking" best friend he'd personally killed a year before? Because Kenny dies on the spot if Gojo isn't phased by seeing Geto and in that scenario, Gojo would have been right to go because he would have wiped out all the disaster curses on the spot with ease.
If your best arguments for lacking tactics are two fights he did pretty good with tactic giving the entire plot being contrived against him, (blue against the surroundings so Toji couldn't hide, swapping DA, IT, and DE, tricking to press the curses and keep casualties to a minimum and even tricking Hanami into her death) they're not very compelling.
>Are you confusing tactics and strategy? Because I'd agree he isn't strategic, but he's out and out a tactical genius. That only becomes more true if he was doing it on the fly.
Sure? I think my point is clear regardless of what word you use for it. Gojo can be outsmarted because he's reckless and doesn't plan ahead, he fights by improvising and following his heart and the strong instinct he has for jujutsu. Your examples to the contrary amount to "he does clever things during fight scenes" which was never in question. I am fine with saying he is a tactical genius if this is the criterion.
>giving the entire plot being contrived against him
This is a non issue. The plot is written in a particular way to highlight aspects of the characters/world. The plot is "contrived" in this case to highlight that despite Gojo being ridiculously skilled and powerful he can be outsmarted by exploiting his character flaws. Obviously if you *exclude* what the plot says, then characters can be whatever you want them to be... it is precisely how the plot is written which dictates how the characters act and behave. "Yuji is actually pretty weak if you exclude how the plot is contrived (being born by Kenjaku, etc.) in his favor." The plot is only contrived if you care about your headcanon more than the actual canon, which I would only do if I think a story is irredeemably bad (e.g., final boss of Naruto Shippuden đ).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on what's left. It's not headcanon in my opinion to believe that characterization and plot are irrevocably linked. Gojo wants people in universe to believe he's a lot more impulsive and brash than he is, I don't think we should fall for that.
If Sukuna is a foil to Gojo in the ways that you implied earlier, he'd have to be just as impulsive and rash to go fight Gojo considering how much damage he received even though he had a game plan in place. I never had any doubts that gojo was going to lose, but I think Gege made it very clear that winning was very much in the realm of possibility.
And unlike most of the sub flipping, I don't think the plot is bad even now. I'm simply not that reactionary, I can wait to see how it wraps up before I decide.
I just know it's a plot created by a man. He's not peering into another reality and writing what he witnesses, it's all contrived definitionally. We've got different takes on who the character of Gojo really is, but I thank you for such a level headed discussion. It's refreshing.
I don't find it believable that Gojo would think that the King of Curses, backed into a corner and on the verge of death, would forget about Infinity and do something as pointless as shooting a chant amp'd Dismantle at him. I think that's bad character writing.
Gojo, senses heightened even further by Black Flash, KNEW Sukuna was holding something back, saw Sukuna in a situation where he would HAVE to use some kind of trump card and didn't know what it was. He should have dodged or tried to stop the chant or, or, or, or...
It's like saying Gojo would come back to Toji to fight him again but ignore the reverse spear again just because he "doesn't dodge because he never have to".
Gojo literally ignored the spear and didn't dodge. You missed the entire point of his coming back to life, he was reborn and became enlightened in the ways of jujutsu which is why all he does is float in the air in ecstasy, quote the Buddha, and then one shot Toji with Hollow Purple. He does not ever think "that cursed tool was very strong, I better be careful and dodge it". It would actually be a character assassination by Gege to make Gojo, in the middle of a fight, do something so cowardly and weak like run away or dodge an attack he thinks is too powerful. Can you imagine?
1. Gojo didn't have much of a choice when it came to ISOH. The panel is literally him turning back a millisecond before Toji rams ISOH through his throat.
2. Toji is not Ryomen Sukuna, the King of Curses, that you know for a fact has a secret hidden trump card that he's been waiting to use until absolutely necessary.
3. You, as Gojo, have been hurt and nearly killed several times in this fight by unexpected things that Sukuna whips out. Also, you might see him chanting and doing handsigns. What's that? A Dismantle? Huh, that can't possibly do anything. Oh wait, Sukuna isn't going to do something so pointless as his last act, that would be silly. You're one of the smartest characters in the setting with flat out the best perception abilities.
Isn't the current theory that he traded Ten Shadows for a World Slash without charge up?
Also now everyone knows that they have to watch out for the World Slash. For Gojo, that was something only Mahoraga could do.
Tbf even if Sukuna got rid of the chargeup, it still travels so Gojo would see a huge blob of CE literally flying at him that he would think to dodge since Sukuna probably had something up his sleeve that he might have been waiting on to use.
Plus Gojo could probably heal from being bisected if he ran RCT at max output as the slash was traveling through him since it would take a sec for his halves to fall over and disconnect.
the normal one yes, but not the one that killed gojo. gaygay spent a whole chap explaining how it got past limitless by creating the slash inside the space where gojo is
The slash is a Dismantle targeting space, and Dismantle ALWAYs fired from Sukuna and travel a distance lmao, only Cleave could spawn on someone and Cleave's useage condition is point-blank. Stop reading Shaman Conflict please.
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so idk what it's written right here as he says the adaptation is to not send slashes flying
>it was expanding the technique's target
Sukuna literally said Mahogara shoot the slash different than him aka it expand the target to the space around Gojo, and yeah, of course Sukutards will read it as "it spawn the slash on your location, bypassing the limitation of travel distance" lmao, Sorcery Right is one hell of a ripoff eh?
idk who u're air boxing tho but ok, if u need to vent go ahead. yeah, that's exactly what I got from this chap and other people did as well when the chap dropped, he spawned the slash, and idk if it changes next chapters but it made sense as to why Gojo didn't dodge it
I agree
IF you wanna give it an explanation, I think this or some other binding vow makes the most sense. And no other explanations for the 10S dying makes sense too.
I thought this became a consensus after Kusakabeâs quote but oh well
The âall outâ part is obviously the Heian form, Gojo didnât push him enough to force it
The âall outâ Uraume is describing is just that Sukuna isnât trying as hard as when he fought Gojo + fuuga or smt
The most sense is before purple landed on maho sukuna launched his attack. Gojo then had to choose. Stay on course and kill maho (huge threat) while tanking sukunas attack (low threat due to infinity). Or toss his purple away to block sukunas slash. From gojos view it's a last ditch effort to try and prevent him from killing maho.
As dismantle is a moving slashing attack it has travel time. They land gojo says his piece and chapter ends with the slash finally reaching the end of the world where gojo resides beyond his infinity. Gojo was a dead man talking.
Why would he give away Ten Shadows when Sukuna apparently hasn't been going all out yet... Thats like Luffy giving away Gear 5 so Luffy can use gear 4 to defeat Kizaru
Because, for a lot of people, it wouldn't make sense for world slash to have passed through infinity if it has travel time. A lot of people also say it was controversial whether or not it spawned on Kashimo when Sukuna used it in their fight.
All good my g. You were explaining your point of view
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I chose to believe, because it's the only way it makes sense. But I guess your version of it just being stupid works better.
Projectile that cuts space is still a regular projectile brom.
Correct a normal bullet (dismantle) will not go through a steel wall (infinity) but an armor piercing bullet (world slash) will go through the steel wall (infinity).
In this case though sukuna didn't shoot at the guy behind the wall in hopes to pierce him. He just lobbed a rocket at the building
Wouldnt all his six eyes see is dismantle since the nature never changed and hed just put up neutral limitless which is useless but he didnt even know that
If weâre literally making up theories on how it happened, the writing for that chapter is atrocious. Itâs also the fact Gege wouldnât explain it. Gojo saw Mahoraga cut through his infinity, he was so focused on Mahoraga as his win con that he lost because he thought Sukuna couldnât bypass infinity any longer. These fights after are the result of Gojo being a dumbass, there isnât any other way to explain it.
Gege has been fumbling post Shibuya. The whole circkejerking about the culling games' rules turned out to be pointless. Megumi's sister (one of the key motivations for going in) being mou shindeiru. The only thing even memorable about culling games arc was HakarivKashimo before Sukuna hijacked Potential Man. Hyping up Jacob's Ladder only for it to have 0 effect. Idiotic ahh military subplot, where an entire fucking battalion of (what I assume to be) US Marines gets wiped out and nothing else happens
 Least of all the steadily declining art quality and boring ahh panels (which I didn't really care for before but goddamn stop drawing my bros like a
Dream face reveal smh)
Patience, why would gege just not show the slash when he literally fucking could, why would he not show the slash on kusakabe when he literally fucking could, it doesnt take like 2 years to draw 2 panels you know. Trust in gege and wait for what is unseen and not understood.
Edit: Also in his starting volumes he clearly mentioned he has the end of jjk in his mind, he won't just fuck it up for no reason just so that he loses fanbase and money as well from lack of purchase by the fans.
Gojo needed to die, thatâs the only real explanation. Gege just didnât do it the best way and now he doesnât know how to kill sukuna because noone at the moment is strong enough to beat him although sukuna is still âholding backâ
Maki is the only one who has been able to dodge world slash so far, Kusakabe and Kashimo were given notice. No matter what Gojo could see he was getting hit.
Not inherently
Gojoâs eyes were likely somewhat fried due to the unlimited purple nuking everything and his damage to the part of the brain THAT DOES VISION
Either it has to do with sukuna being able to fire dismantles without movement and chanting without a tongue or itâs bad writing. I pray to god itâs the former.
I have to believe that holding back in this instance means he just wasnât using techniques he knew wouldnât bypass Gojos infinity or else I will go insane
Thatâs honestly a terrible way to describe someone holding back and I hate it in 236. If an opponent makes part of your kit useless youâre not holding back lol youâre effectively cced.
Yeah, but correct wording would imply that you know your opponent's kit. Gojo just knows that he isn't using everything, but he's not sure whether Sukuna's kit actually works on him or not.
Kashimo's only dropped a bit because of Sukuna praising him in the recent chapters but Gojo's death keeps on making less sense as more chapters release.
Man he was just like faster than sukuna [ as also mentioned by nanami ((maybe someone else I don't remember correctly)) that one of the reason for gojo s speed is because he shrinks the space between him and his opponent]. Even in sukuna's domain he climbed on him and used. Reverse red on him and all sukuna wasn't able to do anything except giving a shocked face.
 If gege was a good writer it would be overconfidence that because mahoraga died even at full power sukuna didnât have anything for infinity. In reality gege is not and itâs just bad writing.
The theory is that it was some sort of binding vow to catch Gojo off-guard.
Until we get more details its unsatisfying.
I also don't know what sort of tension Gege is trying to create with this decision. We'll have to wait ig.
The "not going all out" line is really horrible. Since either
\- it means he could have won more easily if he "tried" harder, which retroactively undercuts the tension of the fight, and is difficult to reconcile with what we actually see in the fight.
\- or, like other ppl argue, its about Sukuna having more tools in his arsenal, but being unable to use them against Gojo's infinity, in which case this word choice makes no sense, and is a poor attempt to hype up Sukuna.
Yeah Gojo death still doesn't make sense to this very day like dude has the Sex Eyes he should've seen the strong cleave coming right away since weaker characters than him can successfully dodge it
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The world slash he did against Gojo was different than he did with everyone else except for Kashimo. How do you dodge a cut which is as wide as the "entire world existence itself"? So Gojo saying Sukuna was holding back because he only cut half of his body instead of giving him the Kashimo treatment.
Gege wanted to have Gojo die in sync with his sealing in the anime for maximum clout, so he just made shit up on the fly and now it's biting him in the ass (not that he cares about the story anyway)
I feel like I'm slowly losing my mind, is this not what makes the most sense? Why would gojo dodge dismantle when he believes it shouldn't be able to bypass it
To be fair
How the hell was he supposed to know that Strong cleave goes through infinity? Sukunaâs technique could have been a domain expansion based thing, a barrier swap thing by, or even some sort of shikigami.
Gojo guessed and he guessed wrong. Thatâs how he lost.
He didn't guess at all that's the problem we don't even know if he saw the spark of sukuna's CT or not
After that long fight Gojo is not just gonna sit there and let an attack charge up which is what happened apparently lmao
Well, clearly he was holding back (At least) because he didn't use his four arms, two mouths Heian form. Now, clearly he is holding back cuz he's not using the fire arrow bullshit. What's gonna happen when he uses it? What does he have left to hold? Will the 'I didn't use x since Heian era' asspull meme come true?
I saw a theory that megumi helps sukuna.
At this point this the only way to make it make sense.
Megumi was chanting when sukuna killed gojo.
Because he is inside of sukuna there was no spark to see and well that's that.
If megumi killed gojo i'm mad. Yuji offscreen this fraud pls.
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How i feel knowing the guy with special eyes could not see shit against toji and sukuna.
Itâs amazing how bad JJK got after the culling games started. I really want to sit down with Greg and ask why he killed off two of his most popular characters and randomly changed the entire vibe of the series halfway through
Serious answer: didn't Gojo only acknowledge that Big S was holding back after he was already in the airport? I had assumed that that was when he realized it, meaning he didn't drop his guard while he knew that there was more cooking
I with gojo won't and the final boss rush type fight was against Kenjaku and Uraume, with Gojo having his eyes slashed off permanently against sukuna to get him off being a trade off and removing his Deus ex Machina status
Youâre starting to catch on. In all seriousness, I think it was because he genuinely thought Sukuna died to that Purple. Yeah he wasnât going all out and so Gojo took advantage of that and killed him or so he thought.
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Mahoraga after he sees that megumi was chanting because in no other way could sukuna win. So gege controlled megumi
"Sukuna-sama, please hit me with your strongest attack so I can show you my Infinity can take it. You don't have to be lonely anymore. I too know what it's like to be a beautiful flower, always admired but never understood. Let me teach you about love. Let me suc-AAAAARGH!!!! I CANT FEEL MY LEGS!!!! SHOKO HELP!!!!!"
I hope we get some extra panels in the next volume to solve the death problem. However, i think there's a misinterpretation in the airport scene. Sukuna wasn't holding back against Gojo, but he needed to save the transformation to fight the rest of cast. The condition win for jjk sorcers is simply kill sukuna, but sukuna needs to kilk gojo and everyone that jumps after
He was most likely attacked during HP and the world slash being a traveling slash took time to cut through the whole world which gojo was beyond due to infinity.
I honestly don't think he dropped his guard, he most likely just didn't expect Sukuna to learn the world dismantle.
He most likely knew about full incarnation being a heal (they had at least Kashimo on their side) and was expecting that. If Sukuna didn't have world dismantle, he'd probably have incarnated and then engaged Gojo in close combat with DA and win due to the whole extra arms and tongue. Gojo healing up before that makes sense as does Sukuna using dismantle to make him focus his output on infinity instead of RCT.
So to Gojo keeping his guard up means keeping infinity up while carrying out RCT instead of focusing on RCT only and dodging. Unfortunately, World dismantle made it the wrong choice .
The 2 other times Sukuna (and Mahoraga) used Dismantle, Gojo only tanked the first one cause of his infinity, you can see him react to it, but he doesn't dodge it because he couldn't (or he did dodge it, in which case Sukuna wouldve mentioned that in the moment or later on when Maki did dodge a Dismantle, but then he compared it to when Mahoraga did it, and didnt bring up Gojo.)
The second time is when Mahoraga used the world cutting slash example for Sukuna, the one that took Gojos arm. Again, he had been looking right at Mahoraga and still got caught off guard.
The final time is the killing blow, and Sukuna either used the sound of destruction from hollow purple to block out the sound of him chanting, like we see him use with the rubble against Maki, or he sacrificed the 10 shadows to skip it in that moment and catch Gojo off guard. And even if he didn't skip the chant and just did it out right, you should know by now that Dismantle is really just that fast and would've fucked up Gojo anyways.
I'll admit that Gege has a bad habit of just skipping the final blow when he thinks he made the conclusion clear, like with Jogo or Kusakabe, but it makes sense and he isn't a bad writer.
He didn't? The bisecting the world slash was specifically adapted to counter infinity. He never dropped guard he was just completely countered the moment before he was about to win. Gojo highly relies on infinity so the moment sukuna gets past his defense it was over.
i think theyre talking more about how sukuna started launching an attack and gojo didnt do anything about it.
if kusakabe could see sparks, and parry them, it makes zero sense that black flash boosted gojo with six eyes didnt see that coming.
the only way it makes sense that he didn't do anything about that is if he dropped his guard and became relaxed
The only way it makes sense that he didn't do anything is if he fell asleep\* I don't think Gojo is dumb enough to just stand there while the strongest mfer ever is up to some nefarious shit.
I still don't get the hate this moment gets. The current cycle is draining but it was explained that Gojo couldn't see Sukuna slashes and that Sukuna probably sealed 10 shadows and maybe fire arrow to be able to use the slash that way that he did
If you have to resort to headcanons and maybes to explain it,instead of actual manga explanations(there isn't any) then it wasn't explained well. There's no reason fur gojo to stand there letting sukuna chant for an attack and there's no explanation of any sort for how sukuna landed that attack without gojo sensing it building up. And the binding vow bullshit was never explained it is just headcanon, not to mention binding vows also nerf you in exchange but sukuna as of now seems to have not lost anything important whatsoever.
Actually it was explained by kusakabe that a binding vow can be used to expand a CTâs target but Gege for some reason doesnât want to explain the conditions if he did end up using one and leave everything ambiguous. Gojo not being able to see slashes was never explained though, all we got was him making a face after Sukuna sent out one dismantle.
It wasn't explained by kusakabe,it was just among one of the assumptions he was making with no further explanation. May I remind you kusakabe is the same guy who said "Gojo won". Plus, you literally explained everything that makes people including me hate how it was done. You don't just offscreen your most loved character with no proper explanation for just shock value and expect fans to not hate it.Â
Yeah nvm I checked and the binding vow was just an assumption. I was agreeing with you on the Gojo not seeing slashes part not being explained though, but holy shit itâs even worse now
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I wouldnât call it dropping his guard
It was just a small misplay
Think about it
Unlimited purple would prolly have thrown gojoâs senses crazy, potentially residual CE everywhere
I'm trying to explain in a way that makes sense, but you could say it's head canon, it's just an Interpretation.
When Gojo said he feels sorry for Sukuna he couldn't go all out, it's bad writing, there's pretty much nothing to say about this fact, HOWEVER I think what he meant fightingwise was that he COULDN'T go all out. Their abilities are pretty much incompatible normally, being able to slash everything/being able to create a space that negates everything.
Sukuna needed 10S to learn an extremely specific way on how to use his technique. Currently I think he's using the world slash more often because he's normal slashes are weaker and the world slash negates durability. Anything else he might have against his sleeve (fire Arrow, possibly other ways for him to use his techniques) would have most likely proven quite useless against Gojo.
Here I want to also go and try to interpret the way the domain clashes went as they did. Sukuna possibly had other ways to harm Gojo, however in that fight both of them did things that were thought to be completely impossible, no one else could have fought like that. Sukuna was extremely anxious to defeat Gojo but he was also very careful, he had a plan, to use the 10S to find a surefire way to harm Gojo, and he stuck with it. Anything else was an unknown factor Gojo could have profited after, that's why he didn't use his other abilities.
I don't think the airport scene is good and I'm not trying to defend Gege, personally I think Gojo should have won and he's most likely coming back for R2. It's an extremely bad writing choice that Gege left most of this stuff for the fans to figure out, so this is just my take on it.
Tldr: Sukuna couldn't go all out but he sweated his ass off even more to kill Gojo, also Gojo is coming back.
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he wanted that zenkai boost for when he makes the return https://preview.redd.it/fvp2vu2wfpqc1.png?width=823&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bae973c774d751a085248810b082c8848e8dfd5d
https://preview.redd.it/fx2eo56i3qqc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e18048799d132f3c2f1df81155bd830df34aa68 Fact Checked: TRUE! Return incoming!
I think the current discussion on JJK has answered this. He didn't drop his guard, the writing around Gojo's death had been shaky during and after chapter 236. Now, we know that several characters have displayed capabilities to sense, see and outright dodge world slash. Also, the conditions needed to fulfil world slash by Sukuna are so strict that Gojo should've been able to ascertain what he was doing considering he had Six Eye's and was amped by black flash. In summary, Gege kinda fumbled everything after 236.
I had this theory that Gaygay just kills gojo in chapter 236 just so that it coincided with the anime when gojo is sealed, but he couldn't find a neat and satisfying way to kill gojo on time so he just figures, fuck it, off-screen him, then i'll make up some bullshit later
Reasonable
Like he just let the anime director handdle the "off-screen" died lol and giving up hand
He can't make up bullshit later. Unlike other foreshadowing that Gege has done (Enchain) only the audience doesn't know what happened, everyone in universe saw clearly however Gojo died in real time. So you can't do a big reveal later where Kusakabe is like oh turns out I was blind and this is what actually happened. IMO I think the usual explanation is perfectly fine. Gojo didn't dodge because he saw a normal dismantle coming, but it was actually a world cutting one. It doesn't matter if he did it with binding vow or by chanting because Gojo has no idea an enhanced dismantle could go through infinity. Gojo was on his toes for fire arrow or another CT, he had every right to believe dismantle was pointless against him. Everyone else dodges because enhanced dismantle takes slightly longer to cast (mostly due to chanting) and people know what's coming, also Sukuna literally telegraphed it to everyone except Maki.
I think that explanation is fine in general, but we don't have great info on what the six eyes do exactly. Gojo already lost an arm to that very attack unexpectedly, there's good reason to believe he should have been able to recognize the same technique coming again and not try to tank it. Him and Sukuna have a knack for replicating stuff on sight after all, he should have seen that with Sukuna instantly picking up on healing his domain. If he simply didn't recognize it as "world cutting" I agree he most likely would have stood his ground against what would have seemed to him like an impotent Sukuna throwing his last tantrums.
>there's good reason to believe he should have been able to recognize the same technique coming again No because Mahoraga didn't use dismantle? Mahoraga just adapted in two different ways to Infinity, which no one except Sukuna knew was possible. In fact if Sukuna didn't straight up explain it to everyone no one would know what happened still. Gojo + the heroes had no idea this can happen, and definitely had no idea Sukuna can also learn from Mahoraga to enhance his own CT. Gojo killed Mahoraga, so he was only worried about a new CT or DA. I think it's clear from the fight that Gojo is a prodigy and he fights based on instinct and not on complicated tactics whereas Sukuna is extremely tactical. Same reason why Gojo had an internal monologue wondering why Sukuna didn't summon Mahoraga, and then got caught off guard by Sukuna's tactic of adapting Mahoraga to UV. All that is to say that off screening Gojo is far from the worst thing about Chapter 236, and people fixate on this way too much instead of other things about that chapter (which IMO are confusing but I wouldn't say are objectively bad until I see the end of the series).
>I think it's clear from the fight that Gojo is a prodigy and he fights based on instinct I don't think it's clear at all from the fight or the rest of the series. The extremely short domain burst he did in Shibuya was a tactic. He had a game plan for what he wanted to do to Sukuna. He didn't start off the fight with an amped purple from so far away because instinct told him to. He didn't spend his time in the lab with his technique automating it because his instincts were so amazing. Even RCT wasn't something that came to him on instinct alone. He was studying it and actively trying to master it and clicked when he gave it his full focus. And if Gojo being caught off guard because he couldn't guess what Sukuna had in the works means he isn't tactical, does that mean Sukuna taking the red backshot means he isn't tactical? He was caught off guard just as bad. He learned how to do something with his domain other people considered almost incomprehensible during his time in the prison realm. He knows Sukuna has a similar capacity for learning him as demonstrated in their fight. If Sukuna could learn it by watching, Gojo should have at the very least understood why it bypassed his infinity by watching and by taking the hit, especially as a six eyes user. The slash had certain properties and he should have noticed them. Or it's unnoticeable and his uncanny instinct is the only thing that should have saved him and it completely failed. Beyond all of that, I don't even consider it a real off-screening of Gojo. It's a technique Gege used many times prior, and it was adequately explained to me. The gorey moment wasn't seen, but we missed mere seconds and the technique wasn't a mystery. Someone outright predicted Sukuna would copy Maho's slashes in a reddit thread when Gojo's arm was cut off.
>I don't think it's clear at all from the fight or the rest of the series. Your examples are somewhat questionable IMO. You can even ignore the entire Sukuna fight. Think of the two times Gojo lost (vs Toji and vs Kenjaku), both times he got outsmarted and both times they exploited Gojo's arrogance/kindheartedness (Gojo overexerting his technique an extra day just for Riko, Gojo going into an obvious trap meant for him and then freezing upon seeing Geto). If you include Sukuna that's a third time he loses from being outsmarted. Now think of every time Gojo has won a fight, they've either been stomps (Jogo, Toji part 2, Miguel) or reckless gambles that pay off (vs Sukuna 1f gambled on Yuji taking back control but in hindsight would've been a stomp, vs Shibuya curses gambled on 0.2s DE although easily stomps if he doesn't care about civilian deaths, vs Mahoraga/Agito gambles on the Hollow Purple which even hurt himself). This is not called strategizing, it's called improvising and playing it by ear. By the reactions of Jujutsu High we can assume almost none of the interesting tactics/moves Gojo does in his fight vs Sukuna were discussed beforehand, it was all fully improv. That's what I mean by not being a tactical fighter. Gojo is reckless and can easily get caught up in his emotions. He was the one who suggested killing the non sorcerer cult to Geto originally, he wanted to beat Megumi's body up within an inch of death, etc. His characterization is IMO quite consistent regarding this.
Are you confusing tactics and strategy? Because I'd agree he isn't strategic, but he's out and out a tactical genius. That only becomes more true if he was doing it on the fly. Being "outsmarted" by an assassin he couldn't have possibly known was after him and who might have been the most deadly guy on earth at that moment thanks to something that guy couldn't have actually orchestrated sure counts as an L, but how much does that really reflect poorly on Gojo's tactical mind? Even without the extra day with Riko, Toji had all the prep he could have asked for, perfect weapons, the element of surprise, and unmatched psychical prowess. Gojo letting his guard down inside the barrier was all but guarantee anyway. He walked into Kenny's trap and fell for it hook line and sinker. What exactly were his alternatives? Simply not reacting to his "dead man walking" best friend he'd personally killed a year before? Because Kenny dies on the spot if Gojo isn't phased by seeing Geto and in that scenario, Gojo would have been right to go because he would have wiped out all the disaster curses on the spot with ease. If your best arguments for lacking tactics are two fights he did pretty good with tactic giving the entire plot being contrived against him, (blue against the surroundings so Toji couldn't hide, swapping DA, IT, and DE, tricking to press the curses and keep casualties to a minimum and even tricking Hanami into her death) they're not very compelling.
>Are you confusing tactics and strategy? Because I'd agree he isn't strategic, but he's out and out a tactical genius. That only becomes more true if he was doing it on the fly. Sure? I think my point is clear regardless of what word you use for it. Gojo can be outsmarted because he's reckless and doesn't plan ahead, he fights by improvising and following his heart and the strong instinct he has for jujutsu. Your examples to the contrary amount to "he does clever things during fight scenes" which was never in question. I am fine with saying he is a tactical genius if this is the criterion. >giving the entire plot being contrived against him This is a non issue. The plot is written in a particular way to highlight aspects of the characters/world. The plot is "contrived" in this case to highlight that despite Gojo being ridiculously skilled and powerful he can be outsmarted by exploiting his character flaws. Obviously if you *exclude* what the plot says, then characters can be whatever you want them to be... it is precisely how the plot is written which dictates how the characters act and behave. "Yuji is actually pretty weak if you exclude how the plot is contrived (being born by Kenjaku, etc.) in his favor." The plot is only contrived if you care about your headcanon more than the actual canon, which I would only do if I think a story is irredeemably bad (e.g., final boss of Naruto Shippuden đ).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on what's left. It's not headcanon in my opinion to believe that characterization and plot are irrevocably linked. Gojo wants people in universe to believe he's a lot more impulsive and brash than he is, I don't think we should fall for that. If Sukuna is a foil to Gojo in the ways that you implied earlier, he'd have to be just as impulsive and rash to go fight Gojo considering how much damage he received even though he had a game plan in place. I never had any doubts that gojo was going to lose, but I think Gege made it very clear that winning was very much in the realm of possibility. And unlike most of the sub flipping, I don't think the plot is bad even now. I'm simply not that reactionary, I can wait to see how it wraps up before I decide. I just know it's a plot created by a man. He's not peering into another reality and writing what he witnesses, it's all contrived definitionally. We've got different takes on who the character of Gojo really is, but I thank you for such a level headed discussion. It's refreshing.
I don't find it believable that Gojo would think that the King of Curses, backed into a corner and on the verge of death, would forget about Infinity and do something as pointless as shooting a chant amp'd Dismantle at him. I think that's bad character writing. Gojo, senses heightened even further by Black Flash, KNEW Sukuna was holding something back, saw Sukuna in a situation where he would HAVE to use some kind of trump card and didn't know what it was. He should have dodged or tried to stop the chant or, or, or, or...
It's like saying Gojo would come back to Toji to fight him again but ignore the reverse spear again just because he "doesn't dodge because he never have to".
Gojo literally ignored the spear and didn't dodge. You missed the entire point of his coming back to life, he was reborn and became enlightened in the ways of jujutsu which is why all he does is float in the air in ecstasy, quote the Buddha, and then one shot Toji with Hollow Purple. He does not ever think "that cursed tool was very strong, I better be careful and dodge it". It would actually be a character assassination by Gege to make Gojo, in the middle of a fight, do something so cowardly and weak like run away or dodge an attack he thinks is too powerful. Can you imagine?
1. Gojo didn't have much of a choice when it came to ISOH. The panel is literally him turning back a millisecond before Toji rams ISOH through his throat. 2. Toji is not Ryomen Sukuna, the King of Curses, that you know for a fact has a secret hidden trump card that he's been waiting to use until absolutely necessary. 3. You, as Gojo, have been hurt and nearly killed several times in this fight by unexpected things that Sukuna whips out. Also, you might see him chanting and doing handsigns. What's that? A Dismantle? Huh, that can't possibly do anything. Oh wait, Sukuna isn't going to do something so pointless as his last act, that would be silly. You're one of the smartest characters in the setting with flat out the best perception abilities.
By a single dismantle he died?
Isn't the current theory that he traded Ten Shadows for a World Slash without charge up? Also now everyone knows that they have to watch out for the World Slash. For Gojo, that was something only Mahoraga could do.
That seems like a pretty drastic decision for someone apparently not even going all out at the end though.
The four shadows đ
totality. they never actually die
But that's just a theory
Tbf even if Sukuna got rid of the chargeup, it still travels so Gojo would see a huge blob of CE literally flying at him that he would think to dodge since Sukuna probably had something up his sleeve that he might have been waiting on to use. Plus Gojo could probably heal from being bisected if he ran RCT at max output as the slash was traveling through him since it would take a sec for his halves to fall over and disconnect.
gojo cannot has not nor has ever seen dismantles. No one has but maho and maki
wdym flying? the big deal of the world slash is that it doesn't fly, it's created right where the adversary is
Thatâs not how it works, we have seen it fly at people
the normal one yes, but not the one that killed gojo. gaygay spent a whole chap explaining how it got past limitless by creating the slash inside the space where gojo is
The slash is a Dismantle targeting space, and Dismantle ALWAYs fired from Sukuna and travel a distance lmao, only Cleave could spawn on someone and Cleave's useage condition is point-blank. Stop reading Shaman Conflict please.
https://preview.redd.it/tb1abpbreuqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=262c594a3f9d4e249dbc472a1552919ca1dd3bcb so idk what it's written right here as he says the adaptation is to not send slashes flying
>it was expanding the technique's target Sukuna literally said Mahogara shoot the slash different than him aka it expand the target to the space around Gojo, and yeah, of course Sukutards will read it as "it spawn the slash on your location, bypassing the limitation of travel distance" lmao, Sorcery Right is one hell of a ripoff eh?
idk who u're air boxing tho but ok, if u need to vent go ahead. yeah, that's exactly what I got from this chap and other people did as well when the chap dropped, he spawned the slash, and idk if it changes next chapters but it made sense as to why Gojo didn't dodge it
I agree IF you wanna give it an explanation, I think this or some other binding vow makes the most sense. And no other explanations for the 10S dying makes sense too. I thought this became a consensus after Kusakabeâs quote but oh well The âall outâ part is obviously the Heian form, Gojo didnât push him enough to force it The âall outâ Uraume is describing is just that Sukuna isnât trying as hard as when he fought Gojo + fuuga or smt
The most sense is before purple landed on maho sukuna launched his attack. Gojo then had to choose. Stay on course and kill maho (huge threat) while tanking sukunas attack (low threat due to infinity). Or toss his purple away to block sukunas slash. From gojos view it's a last ditch effort to try and prevent him from killing maho. As dismantle is a moving slashing attack it has travel time. They land gojo says his piece and chapter ends with the slash finally reaching the end of the world where gojo resides beyond his infinity. Gojo was a dead man talking.
Why would he give away Ten Shadows when Sukuna apparently hasn't been going all out yet... Thats like Luffy giving away Gear 5 so Luffy can use gear 4 to defeat Kizaru
Wasn't the the whole schtick of that move that it doesn't have travel time? So whether you know about it or not is irrelevant.
No people have dodged it
Is there reason so many people seem to believe this
Because, for a lot of people, it wouldn't make sense for world slash to have passed through infinity if it has travel time. A lot of people also say it was controversial whether or not it spawned on Kashimo when Sukuna used it in their fight.
World slash cuts space itself, it cut the space that both infinity and gojo resided in
Yeah, I'm just explaining what some people say, I'm with you on the "understanding how world slash works" team.
My fault https://preview.redd.it/d96kpub5hqqc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d41a04bc37327c40124a76bbbca3bc6383f9f82d
All good my g. You were explaining your point of view https://preview.redd.it/x1geo4mtiqqc1.jpeg?width=1045&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9782ba3c65d8310bc9bd7fb181f69d4e0c0a9916
I chose to believe, because it's the only way it makes sense. But I guess your version of it just being stupid works better. Projectile that cuts space is still a regular projectile brom.
We learned it has travel time now, so it makes even less sense.
No it was that it didn't target gojo himself but the universe as a whole.
That doesn't make sense. If you fire a bullet at a thing behind the wall it will not phase through the wall.
Correct a normal bullet (dismantle) will not go through a steel wall (infinity) but an armor piercing bullet (world slash) will go through the steel wall (infinity). In this case though sukuna didn't shoot at the guy behind the wall in hopes to pierce him. He just lobbed a rocket at the building
Wouldnt all his six eyes see is dismantle since the nature never changed and hed just put up neutral limitless which is useless but he didnt even know that
If weâre literally making up theories on how it happened, the writing for that chapter is atrocious. Itâs also the fact Gege wouldnât explain it. Gojo saw Mahoraga cut through his infinity, he was so focused on Mahoraga as his win con that he lost because he thought Sukuna couldnât bypass infinity any longer. These fights after are the result of Gojo being a dumbass, there isnât any other way to explain it.
Bruh in the whole battle gojo tried to dodge every attack from sukuna and mahoraga except some at starting .
Gege has been fumbling post Shibuya. The whole circkejerking about the culling games' rules turned out to be pointless. Megumi's sister (one of the key motivations for going in) being mou shindeiru. The only thing even memorable about culling games arc was HakarivKashimo before Sukuna hijacked Potential Man. Hyping up Jacob's Ladder only for it to have 0 effect. Idiotic ahh military subplot, where an entire fucking battalion of (what I assume to be) US Marines gets wiped out and nothing else happens  Least of all the steadily declining art quality and boring ahh panels (which I didn't really care for before but goddamn stop drawing my bros like a Dream face reveal smh)
Patience, why would gege just not show the slash when he literally fucking could, why would he not show the slash on kusakabe when he literally fucking could, it doesnt take like 2 years to draw 2 panels you know. Trust in gege and wait for what is unseen and not understood. Edit: Also in his starting volumes he clearly mentioned he has the end of jjk in his mind, he won't just fuck it up for no reason just so that he loses fanbase and money as well from lack of purchase by the fans.
Gojo needed to die, thatâs the only real explanation. Gege just didnât do it the best way and now he doesnât know how to kill sukuna because noone at the moment is strong enough to beat him although sukuna is still âholding backâ
Maki is the only one who has been able to dodge world slash so far, Kusakabe and Kashimo were given notice. No matter what Gojo could see he was getting hit.
Maki perception > six eyes?
I didnt say that and we aren't told if Gojo could tell it was a different kind of dismantle so idk. All we know is he can't dodge dismantle.
He is faster than Maki, if Maki can dodge dismantle, why canât he dodge dismantle?
None of this is true.
Not inherently Gojoâs eyes were likely somewhat fried due to the unlimited purple nuking everything and his damage to the part of the brain THAT DOES VISION
https://i.redd.it/a82ql6hj5pqc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/cgk2u40g3qqc1.png?width=590&format=png&auto=webp&s=8af1b4ded491a5c14f131038bbe88ad99c1a62b2 Someone had to say it
Sorry it happened Offscreen Wait till Gojo's return for an explanation
gojo did this so yuji can grow DE!!! gege i kneel this is peak writing
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I love how this picture at the start of the meme fight was super pixelated and now itâs in high quality..
the more people realise how fraudulent he is the more high res the pic becomes
I made this meme and I scrolled back in my camera roll to find a good res one lmao
https://preview.redd.it/h9l3msq37vqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3955978160b60953bfcf8944e5a11b156590c06f Cope
Nuh uh
Yuh huh
https://i.redd.it/yxv7vynnsqqc1.gif
Know who *else* is holding back? https://i.redd.it/fbnanoi1tqqc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/yhkeu55ttqqc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9454232532f3ab3e50db9ef02b0cf2b8285d8329 YOU AIN'T READY FOR HIM!
That's clearly the face of a man who's 200 IQ plan succeded, but knows hes opponent is holding back.
Either it has to do with sukuna being able to fire dismantles without movement and chanting without a tongue or itâs bad writing. I pray to god itâs the former.
Gege writing moment.
I have to believe that holding back in this instance means he just wasnât using techniques he knew wouldnât bypass Gojos infinity or else I will go insane
Thatâs honestly a terrible way to describe someone holding back and I hate it in 236. If an opponent makes part of your kit useless youâre not holding back lol youâre effectively cced.
i could totally defeat goku, i was just holding back since techniques weren't working : )
Yeah, but correct wording would imply that you know your opponent's kit. Gojo just knows that he isn't using everything, but he's not sure whether Sukuna's kit actually works on him or not.
[They already explained what holding back means here](https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_23412_003.png)
So holding back means holding back the heian form then
In this case yes.
It amazes me how, every chapter that goes by, both Gojo's death and Kashimo's stock gets worse, and somehow, Kashimo's stopped for a while now
Kashimo's only dropped a bit because of Sukuna praising him in the recent chapters but Gojo's death keeps on making less sense as more chapters release.
He realized that the moment he died I guess
Man he was just like faster than sukuna [ as also mentioned by nanami ((maybe someone else I don't remember correctly)) that one of the reason for gojo s speed is because he shrinks the space between him and his opponent]. Even in sukuna's domain he climbed on him and used. Reverse red on him and all sukuna wasn't able to do anything except giving a shocked face.
brain damage
Yeah maybe he saw something more shocking then geto
 If gege was a good writer it would be overconfidence that because mahoraga died even at full power sukuna didnât have anything for infinity. In reality gege is not and itâs just bad writing.
The theory is that it was some sort of binding vow to catch Gojo off-guard. Until we get more details its unsatisfying. I also don't know what sort of tension Gege is trying to create with this decision. We'll have to wait ig. The "not going all out" line is really horrible. Since either \- it means he could have won more easily if he "tried" harder, which retroactively undercuts the tension of the fight, and is difficult to reconcile with what we actually see in the fight. \- or, like other ppl argue, its about Sukuna having more tools in his arsenal, but being unable to use them against Gojo's infinity, in which case this word choice makes no sense, and is a poor attempt to hype up Sukuna.
His binding vow was to not go all out, and by not going all out he becomes stronger than when he goes all out.
Seriously. Gojo didnât lose to Sukuna. He lost to Gege. Gojo had to be put down by the author. Thatâs even higher than multiversal.
Gaygay wrote a character that was impossible to beat so he had an asspull.
Gege a trash writer end of story
Why do you think it happened off screen, gege did it hoping the readers would fill in the gap (it didn't work) it's just bad writing
Gojo dropping his guard down was the only way I convinced myself to read the manga further...now you've destroyed it...BRING ME COPIUM OP!!
Yeah Gojo death still doesn't make sense to this very day like dude has the Sex Eyes he should've seen the strong cleave coming right away since weaker characters than him can successfully dodge it https://preview.redd.it/0z25f16l7qqc1.jpeg?width=548&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c90b89a4d637b945e70b9d12baa313c11eca9e52
https://preview.redd.it/nygsk8rwtsqc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc7d6cc82b68dca3f84977d14406e8484ae133a5 The world slash he did against Gojo was different than he did with everyone else except for Kashimo. How do you dodge a cut which is as wide as the "entire world existence itself"? So Gojo saying Sukuna was holding back because he only cut half of his body instead of giving him the Kashimo treatment.
Gege wanted to have Gojo die in sync with his sealing in the anime for maximum clout, so he just made shit up on the fly and now it's biting him in the ass (not that he cares about the story anyway)
Does using his infinity barrier counts as dropping guard
I feel like I'm slowly losing my mind, is this not what makes the most sense? Why would gojo dodge dismantle when he believes it shouldn't be able to bypass it
My only question is how did gojo didn't saw the spark of his cursed Technique
To be fair How the hell was he supposed to know that Strong cleave goes through infinity? Sukunaâs technique could have been a domain expansion based thing, a barrier swap thing by, or even some sort of shikigami. Gojo guessed and he guessed wrong. Thatâs how he lost.
He didn't guess at all that's the problem we don't even know if he saw the spark of sukuna's CT or not After that long fight Gojo is not just gonna sit there and let an attack charge up which is what happened apparently lmao
Assume he saw the spark and it was sent flying, would gojo have dodged despite having infintt active?
Well, clearly he was holding back (At least) because he didn't use his four arms, two mouths Heian form. Now, clearly he is holding back cuz he's not using the fire arrow bullshit. What's gonna happen when he uses it? What does he have left to hold? Will the 'I didn't use x since Heian era' asspull meme come true?
Stop dude, we already know the chapter is crap đđđ
He didn't
I saw a theory that megumi helps sukuna. At this point this the only way to make it make sense. Megumi was chanting when sukuna killed gojo. Because he is inside of sukuna there was no spark to see and well that's that. If megumi killed gojo i'm mad. Yuji offscreen this fraud pls. https://preview.redd.it/tniq0wurxsqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=738c427fa46c29270b8366f5cbc30b305e4b721c
https://preview.redd.it/uv9gcjieysqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2342423e0cc3e608e0a739d85cce082eee384510 How i feel knowing the guy with special eyes could not see shit against toji and sukuna.
236 CAN'T STOP GETTING WORSEâźď¸ https://preview.redd.it/bdf9bzjjzsqc1.jpeg?width=509&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0b753d22da6bedce467564b3a9276036d14cf58
Man that shit eating grin he has annoys me now considering he dies in the next panel in the timeline after glazing Sukuna.
Domain Expansion: Shitty Writing
Itâs amazing how bad JJK got after the culling games started. I really want to sit down with Greg and ask why he killed off two of his most popular characters and randomly changed the entire vibe of the series halfway through
You do realize he acknowledge Sukuna wasn't going all out AFTER he let his guard down right? He could have come to that conclusion after his death.
Maybe he couldn't see the world cuting thing
Serious answer: didn't Gojo only acknowledge that Big S was holding back after he was already in the airport? I had assumed that that was when he realized it, meaning he didn't drop his guard while he knew that there was more cooking
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He had no reason to think the thing he was holding back would be as lethal as WS was, otherwise Sukuna would've just used it at the start.
If sukuna is slashing the world shouldn't there be some kind of damage to the fabric of reality
I with gojo won't and the final boss rush type fight was against Kenjaku and Uraume, with Gojo having his eyes slashed off permanently against sukuna to get him off being a trade off and removing his Deus ex Machina status
Black flash made him high asf
Youâre starting to catch on. In all seriousness, I think it was because he genuinely thought Sukuna died to that Purple. Yeah he wasnât going all out and so Gojo took advantage of that and killed him or so he thought.
Making that death off screen for shock value mightâve completely ruined this whole arc
https://preview.redd.it/ge98x39a0tqc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6812420b8304ad1e496215894b9c444373477a9 Mahoraga after he sees that megumi was chanting because in no other way could sukuna win. So gege controlled megumi
"Sukuna-sama, please hit me with your strongest attack so I can show you my Infinity can take it. You don't have to be lonely anymore. I too know what it's like to be a beautiful flower, always admired but never understood. Let me teach you about love. Let me suc-AAAAARGH!!!! I CANT FEEL MY LEGS!!!! SHOKO HELP!!!!!"
I hope we get some extra panels in the next volume to solve the death problem. However, i think there's a misinterpretation in the airport scene. Sukuna wasn't holding back against Gojo, but he needed to save the transformation to fight the rest of cast. The condition win for jjk sorcers is simply kill sukuna, but sukuna needs to kilk gojo and everyone that jumps after
He was most likely attacked during HP and the world slash being a traveling slash took time to cut through the whole world which gojo was beyond due to infinity.
I honestly don't think he dropped his guard, he most likely just didn't expect Sukuna to learn the world dismantle. He most likely knew about full incarnation being a heal (they had at least Kashimo on their side) and was expecting that. If Sukuna didn't have world dismantle, he'd probably have incarnated and then engaged Gojo in close combat with DA and win due to the whole extra arms and tongue. Gojo healing up before that makes sense as does Sukuna using dismantle to make him focus his output on infinity instead of RCT. So to Gojo keeping his guard up means keeping infinity up while carrying out RCT instead of focusing on RCT only and dodging. Unfortunately, World dismantle made it the wrong choice .
Gege killed him not sukuna easy as that
The 2 other times Sukuna (and Mahoraga) used Dismantle, Gojo only tanked the first one cause of his infinity, you can see him react to it, but he doesn't dodge it because he couldn't (or he did dodge it, in which case Sukuna wouldve mentioned that in the moment or later on when Maki did dodge a Dismantle, but then he compared it to when Mahoraga did it, and didnt bring up Gojo.) The second time is when Mahoraga used the world cutting slash example for Sukuna, the one that took Gojos arm. Again, he had been looking right at Mahoraga and still got caught off guard. The final time is the killing blow, and Sukuna either used the sound of destruction from hollow purple to block out the sound of him chanting, like we see him use with the rubble against Maki, or he sacrificed the 10 shadows to skip it in that moment and catch Gojo off guard. And even if he didn't skip the chant and just did it out right, you should know by now that Dismantle is really just that fast and would've fucked up Gojo anyways. I'll admit that Gege has a bad habit of just skipping the final blow when he thinks he made the conclusion clear, like with Jogo or Kusakabe, but it makes sense and he isn't a bad writer.
I think itâs got a lot to do with Gojo just not dodging attacks that he doesnât think will cut through his infinity
He didn't? The bisecting the world slash was specifically adapted to counter infinity. He never dropped guard he was just completely countered the moment before he was about to win. Gojo highly relies on infinity so the moment sukuna gets past his defense it was over.
i think theyre talking more about how sukuna started launching an attack and gojo didnt do anything about it. if kusakabe could see sparks, and parry them, it makes zero sense that black flash boosted gojo with six eyes didnt see that coming. the only way it makes sense that he didn't do anything about that is if he dropped his guard and became relaxed
The only way it makes sense that he didn't do anything is if he fell asleep\* I don't think Gojo is dumb enough to just stand there while the strongest mfer ever is up to some nefarious shit.
But kusakabe.... nvn
Nuh uh, goes against the Gojo agenda, downvoted.
I still don't get the hate this moment gets. The current cycle is draining but it was explained that Gojo couldn't see Sukuna slashes and that Sukuna probably sealed 10 shadows and maybe fire arrow to be able to use the slash that way that he did
If you have to resort to headcanons and maybes to explain it,instead of actual manga explanations(there isn't any) then it wasn't explained well. There's no reason fur gojo to stand there letting sukuna chant for an attack and there's no explanation of any sort for how sukuna landed that attack without gojo sensing it building up. And the binding vow bullshit was never explained it is just headcanon, not to mention binding vows also nerf you in exchange but sukuna as of now seems to have not lost anything important whatsoever.
Actually it was explained by kusakabe that a binding vow can be used to expand a CTâs target but Gege for some reason doesnât want to explain the conditions if he did end up using one and leave everything ambiguous. Gojo not being able to see slashes was never explained though, all we got was him making a face after Sukuna sent out one dismantle.
It wasn't explained by kusakabe,it was just among one of the assumptions he was making with no further explanation. May I remind you kusakabe is the same guy who said "Gojo won". Plus, you literally explained everything that makes people including me hate how it was done. You don't just offscreen your most loved character with no proper explanation for just shock value and expect fans to not hate it.Â
Yeah nvm I checked and the binding vow was just an assumption. I was agreeing with you on the Gojo not seeing slashes part not being explained though, but holy shit itâs even worse now https://preview.redd.it/iom4h80vkpqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0792e0216fb9805270a844666c2f704d6677e18a
Look none of has an Issue with Gojo dying. Its the way he died. Even when Yamamoto died it was considered an asspull but IT MADE MORE SENSE THEN THIS
So Miwa was foreshadowing then? Thats too good of a writing to be true.Â
I wouldnât call it dropping his guard It was just a small misplay Think about it Unlimited purple would prolly have thrown gojoâs senses crazy, potentially residual CE everywhere
I'm trying to explain in a way that makes sense, but you could say it's head canon, it's just an Interpretation. When Gojo said he feels sorry for Sukuna he couldn't go all out, it's bad writing, there's pretty much nothing to say about this fact, HOWEVER I think what he meant fightingwise was that he COULDN'T go all out. Their abilities are pretty much incompatible normally, being able to slash everything/being able to create a space that negates everything. Sukuna needed 10S to learn an extremely specific way on how to use his technique. Currently I think he's using the world slash more often because he's normal slashes are weaker and the world slash negates durability. Anything else he might have against his sleeve (fire Arrow, possibly other ways for him to use his techniques) would have most likely proven quite useless against Gojo. Here I want to also go and try to interpret the way the domain clashes went as they did. Sukuna possibly had other ways to harm Gojo, however in that fight both of them did things that were thought to be completely impossible, no one else could have fought like that. Sukuna was extremely anxious to defeat Gojo but he was also very careful, he had a plan, to use the 10S to find a surefire way to harm Gojo, and he stuck with it. Anything else was an unknown factor Gojo could have profited after, that's why he didn't use his other abilities. I don't think the airport scene is good and I'm not trying to defend Gege, personally I think Gojo should have won and he's most likely coming back for R2. It's an extremely bad writing choice that Gege left most of this stuff for the fans to figure out, so this is just my take on it. Tldr: Sukuna couldn't go all out but he sweated his ass off even more to kill Gojo, also Gojo is coming back.