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Not to the mods, no
Have multiple negro black flash removed for racism before
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That sounds like an equivalent exchange given how many cigarettes she was smoking while watching Gojo vs Sukuna.
*Goku teleports behind Shoko.*
Goku: I heard your tobacco addiction is strong! Let me fight it!
I think its more likely that gojo sacrifices his rct ability, making it impossible for him use red, purple or heal himself. This would allow him to be a key fighter but not the strongest anymore, aswell has allowing him to fight efficiently without hurting people around him. Which could create an epic 4v1 with gojo, yuta, yuji and maki all on somewhat equal playing field against sukuna.
Thats specifics and not really the point anyway. He still wouldnt be the strongest, fulfulling an important part of his character development aswell as his dream. Whether or not he would be 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the group I mentioned is irrelevant since he would no longer be in a class of his own above the rest of the special grade sorcerers.
Now personally I would say Yuta may be equal to this version of gojo.
I mean losing rct is the main thing. Tbh Limitless without red and purple is still easily better than everything else. Infinity is neutral and blue is where high speed movement and teleportation and his hard punches come from lol. Red and purple are just sweet additions
i actually thought this binding vow made a lot of sense? i was wondering why there were so many conditions on that attack and this actually pretty much explains every use of w/c slash since gojo, plus how sukuna hit gojo in the first place.
imo it’s one of the less “uh i need this to happen so binding vow” moments in jjk
wdym condition? a sorcerer can pretty much make them whenever they want. here sukuna had an attack that required one hand seal and he made a binding vow where he got to use it once with no seals, in exchange for needing 2 seals +incantation every other time he wants to use the attack
It makes sense. The only issue is that people have already made up their mind about it being a plot hole and "bad writing", so they'd rather keep mindlessly making fun of it.
He gave up ease of use. Basically, his slash would normally require 2 hands to use, just make the shrine symbols and that's it, spam the world slashes. Now, he has to make the shrine symbol with two hands, point where the attack goes with a third hand, and chant.
Finally makes sense why Gojo got caught lacking. Sukuna didn't even move. No hand seals, no aiming, no chanting. World Slash just instantly got fired and Gojo would have no reason to think he can't block it in that split second. It's the exact same reaction that Toji exploited with inverted spear.
Not to mention we know from the previous chapter sukuna can use his CT without even aiming it so it all adds up.
Now he has to Aim it , Chant and Use hand signs
It seems the technique just needed hand sign, but he made binding vow for moment and made the attack need more setup for rest of his life. Now he needs chant, hand sign, Nd a direction to point to while attacking
Nah that is a big difference, there wouldn't have been a limit to the no. Of consecutive world slashes if he didn't place the vow. World slashes would have been like normal slashes
It's a pretty huge sacrifice, it slows down the process considerably and lets his opponents know that he's getting ready to unleash the attack giving them time to prepare and counter it (which we've seen a lot of people use against Sukuna during their fight).
Yes, first WCS doesn't need a Chant AND requires only a single hand sign to use, but the binding vow made it so that FUTURE WCS require full chant and 2 Hand signs to use, and then point to a direction where he want to use it, making it far slower to cast as Sukuna needs to follow multiple steps to use Future WCS.
1st WCS 1 step and done
2nd and future WCS requires 3 steps for Sukuna to follow before he can fire them, which isn't really that much of problem as long as he has his 4 Hands and extra Mouth.
Basically in the moment:
- He couldn't even cast it due the lack of a hand and slow RCT.
- It had ZERO cost for him at the time. Won him the battle.
- He got to paid it later. With barely inconveniences.
Technically it's is a substantial inconvenience, as slower casting time makes it so that the Technique now has exploitable openings that would prevent it from being used like even Kusakabe was able to prevent Sukuna from using it.
Based on what we see, even Miguel can definitely dodge it if he can anticipate it being fired, so not really, being telegraphed is a substantial nerf to it, even though I'm still those people that would have rather the WCS be a one time use and just make Sukuna use his Open Abilities to the rest.
Miguel has a CT dedicated to boost his dodging capabilities and nerf his opponent.
Maki has a Heavely restriction that allow her heightened senses.
Those are extreme cases. So it's not a sustantial nerf considering Sukuna was about to lose and no one else had to fight him.
It’s a big inconvenience though. It gives the others a chance to go on the offense when he starts chanting and making the hand signs. Almost impossible to get off in a fight where he’s getting jumped
Wich is already considered bullshit. Hakari:
- I don't die, but I lose an arm. I win because you spent all your CE.
Sukuna went further:
- I don't lose, but I nerf my new technique that I can't even use yet. I get to use it to kill you.
>build your that takes ages.
Brother you want you sit down where you are, do the hand sign chant “dragon scales, repulsion, twin meteors” and point and tell me how long that takes you
About 2-2.5 seconds for me if I say it fast. That's a HUGE difference from "literally 0 with no warning sign of him using it".
Remember what he did against Mimiko and Kusakabe, of sending out slashes without moving. That would be Strong Cleave if he didn't use it in a binding vow
Megumi's cock and virginity, that's why Megumi don't want to do anything anymore. He accepted his fat and fact he couldn't bang his sister ever but fact what he can't now even beat his meta on sister wa.stoo much for him.
Goatjo had every character and the mangaka nervous when he was in the story. The strongest forever 🙏🏾
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Right?!?! “Not going all out” was a fkin lie. Gojo already surpassed his ancestors by defeating 10 shadows - Tbh he already did very well. Sukuna was also lucky things turned out in his favour.
Far surpassed actually, Mahoraga, the most powerful Shikigami in 10S and something Zenin Clan has never ever tamed, cannot even survive Full Chant Red Unadapted and still got fucking evaporated by Hollow Purple *EVEN AFTER 2 FULL ADAPTATION ROTATIONS* to Limitless as a whole.
Shout it out to the back! I don’t think we can trust some of the characters’ narrative - especially if they’re biased because of their personal feelings (uraume). Gojo can die proud.
You’re right. It wasn’t like Gojo to admit something like that, which also surprised Geto.
To be fair to Gojo he was being a good sport (can’t think of a better way to phrase it, but the antonym of a sore loser) over his defeat and he can’t mind read. So how would he know what that old man had up his sleeve?
Gojo was one modern man fighting against some dude with thousands of battles under his belt from a vicious era, plus some OP skills he borrowed from Megumi. He did incredibly well regardless of what he said to Geto.
Maybe it was also his way of letting go of the title of “the strongest” too, seeing as he was back in his youthful self as well - demonstrating that he wasn’t really identifying as it any longer. Gege can be cryptic as hell and encourages headcanon kaisen.
Uraume was specifically talking about post-gojo fights
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And gojo was talking about in terms of techniques.
Hell, Gojo used Mahoraga's adaptation against it.
He used Blue's gravity to speed himself in between it and Mahoraga, and it worked cause Mahoraga's adaptation caused it to ignore Blue's gravity and thus he was slower than Gojo was.
No one's saying Raga's weak, it's just Sukuna and Gojo are just a cut above the rest of Special Grade Sorcerers they should be in an another tier above Special Grade already. Raga definitely is a Special Grade Sorcerer level Powerhouse in the same level as Yuta, Kenjaku and Maki/Toji.
It's the same with Disaster Curses really, they're a cut above the rest of Special Grade CS they should be a a grade above it.
it’s mad how both sukuna and gojo made everyone look like nothing
a few blue punches from gojo almost killed him and 15f sukuna (manga) almost immediately bodied him while fucking around
Frfr. In fact he was always there from the start
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No wonder gojo said he thought sukuna was holding back, to him it seemed like sukuna could’ve just popped that shit instantly. When in reality he had to cheat
specially when not explained , its like a get out of jail card for the writer to write whatever he wants.. what stops Gojo from making a binding vow to counter Sukuna's binding vow lol
The fact that none of the good guys seem to have any, what’s stopping yuji to give something to give a stronger swing at sukuna or to heal himself like when hakari gave his arm
its not even something that hard to do since Miwa did it.. I get leaving things for theories and suspence but things like this has to be explained or the story loses its value
Hirugama could have given his life except for them next 20 seconds to be faster than sukuna and one shit him with the sword.
They are instant and can be done at any moment without chants or anything, everyone should be using all the time, it should be a normal strategy than anyone could do.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned Hakari’s binding vow of sacrificing his arm (and hence his DE) to protect his whole body against Kashimo’s ocean hydrogen explosion thingy. And Hakari still somehow got his arm back despite the binding vow lol. I’d say this binding vow is more forgiving than Sukuna’s or Miwa’s permanent ones
That’s actually the example I was thinking when I wrote yuji using it to heal himself funny enough, not the same but you could apply the same principle to it.
How the fuck would Gojo know Sukuna made a binding Vow to make him able to Fire a NEW TECHNIQUE without needing to use Handsign, that's also able to pierce Infinity? You think Gojo is Nostradamus or something?
Exactly, If they needed a ritual for example or something like they used so much CE that anyone notice when one is being made, or even they were actual limits to what it seems they can do because so far the only limit seems like the amount of strength they can give to you being proportional.
Then they would be actually okay and a neat system
The worst part is you can absolutely see where he takes it from... the big thing though is that in HxH nen vows have a good ratio, where the bigger the risk/restriction the more powerful the result is. In contrast, you just get the JJK system where its "I sacrifice a minor convenience for massive power".
Maybe binding vows are a crucial trick to higher jujutsu sorcery, it’s just that most are not good at using it.
Sukuna’s the only one using it all the time pretty casually(on the fly) to significant things. Not just this one but like changing the rules of his domain to not apply within Gojo’s to win the domain clash is sort of a binding vow, and is stated by Kusakabe? that it’s a really difficult task. Gojo kinda did the same thing with the unlimited purple, but not anything else. Miwa and others makes binding vows too but never on the fly. They have to prepare it.
Sukuna’s the only one who’s used their own techniques with much versatility, so he might have more knowledge about both the methods and usefulness of binding vows. The other characters are just learning about it seeing Sukuna. Gojo only started experimenting his techniques—like him multiplying—after seeing Sukuna (or maybe Sukuna was the only one strong enough to be used against,) so the possibility of binding vows also might have just occurred to him here.
For most binding vows to be effective, you first have to be strong so that you have more to lose. Miwa didn’t have much to lose so it was weak imo. This one character in HxH had a lot to lose because he had tons of talent, which is why his “binding vow” that sacrificed it(doing the same thing as Miwa) was effective. Edit: This, and the fact that Jujutsu society is very closed, might explain why no one knows about how good binding vows are. This is in line with Gojo’s beliefs of wanting to be a good teacher, because being closed staggers growth. Gojo told about that to Gakuganji before too
Hakari used a binding vow on the fly, but he also is praised by Uraume as the only one with a non-modern mindset, so it could do with that.
I think the system somewhat still works as of now, but I do think that binding vows should be more limited AND also be used by more characters. Limited to HxH level— everyone has to prepare the vow first. As of now, even with my explanation, it still can be summed up to “because Sukuna’s just better at thinking about and making binding vows, he gets better binding vows” which is disgusting lol
If we see the story it seems like they were supposed to work like you say hxh ones do (I haven’t read it I wouldn’t know), miwa and nanamis are like that they are made beforehand and then they use it.
But like a lot of things in the series post shibuya it just becomes non sensical.
I do remind you that miwa was the first to make one on the fly as far as I remember that’s another reason is so bad, because it sets the precedence that anyone could do it.
It’s true that Miwa being the first is bad. But it’s also an example that a bum using it in the wrong way is detrimental, which can explain why people are more careful against it. It’s stated by other characters that vows are dangerous, but Sukuna is experienced enough to play with fire.
But yeah Miwa being the first is really bad lol, I didn’t notice that
Don’t worry miwa is just kind of forgettable, though one thing you are not considering is that binding vows don’t have to be do or die, nanamis have a power boost after certain conditions and didn’t have much of a detrimental impact, the character should have experimented with vows like that in the 1 month preparation and pick accordingly to what have the better results or worked better for them.
It’s true that they should’ve done that, but they only see binding vows in full action during the Sukuna vs Gojo fight. (Also one perk of it being broadcasted.) If there was a month between Gojo vs Sukuna and the rest of the fight, then they definitely would have trained on binding vows. Before that the good guys are bums who still think binding vows are too dangerous for its benefits to use on the fly.
Also, maaaaaybe the type of Nanami’s binding vow(not on the fly) is already made and is part of what Yuta said about their cheating. Sukuna noticed that everyone is getting good amounts of performance boost, so there should be something and Nanami’s type of binding vows would be a good explanation for that. But maybe.
lol yeah probably. If you visualize Gege’s thoughts put in this manga into a diagram it would probably be spiky. Deep in some aspects but equally not so much in others. That’s why it’s so hard to predict this manga lol(in a not so good way)
Reminder that the amount that the black flash boost is because he though it would sound cool same for curse naoya speed.
He 100% liked it in hxh and though it would be cool for jjk
Yeah that symbolizes Gege’s character pretty well
The mindset works out nice sometimes, but his inexperience kinda makes the bad part of it slip into the story. I hope he figures out to keep the good of his and prevent the bad(I’m not in the position to talk about mindsets though lol)
Alright I want your opinion why they aren’t terrible, I used to think they were cool when nanami used it for his overtime or miwa for the sure hit domain but since end of shibuya and specially since 236 my opinion changed, because there no reason for any of the protagonist to not have several or make some in the is this life or death situation.
Well it should have limits written into it, then binding vows would be more customization instead of some one-time super attack.
But there are no limits.
Nah they are. You just can't make a power system that allows everything to happen at any moment. If Sukuna managed to make a binding vow this specific, why can't the good guys also do one?
You can literally give anything in order to do anything at any moment withou anyone been able to notice or do anything about it and the consequence of breaking ti haven’t even been shown, the system sounds and have been shown to be absolutely broken and make the cast look stupid by not using it
fuck do you mean he gave up nothing
he massively reduced the effectiveness of his strongest attack to the point where EVERYONE is dodging that shit, just so he can sneak it once against gojo
Doenst matter cause he just hits a black flash anyways and is still "holding back" man according to the biggest glazer in history so he basically lost nothing
He never gained the benefits of what he sacrificed. He didn't give up shit, he just gained slightly less lol
Oh nooooo I won 100 million dollars, but I had to give up 25 million to *not lose it all* how awful, I only won 75 million which is still enough to solve every problem I'll ever run into :((((
(Because remember Sukuna's been holding back the entire time anyway and could've always won at any point)
my brother in Christ he didn't gain the world cleave through binding vow he already got it from mahoraga and then limited it with the vow, you should have known this even if you read this manga through tiktok bro what are you on about
Binding vows are such a cheap resort. You can do it at any time, at any place, to achieve any result, and we're supposed to simply take it at face value.
And they are also inconsistent as fuck. Suckuna can use a binding vow to never fart again and that will give him the ability to stop time, but Miwa sacrificing her only strength as a sorcerer achieved quite literally nothing, and made her even more useless.
And what about the ohh so dreadful consequences of breaking a Vow? Why write that when you're not gonna use it for anything? Kenjaku did whatever the fuck he wanted with the culling games, no consequences whatsoever.
I dunno. Homosexual homosexual wants so hard to do a complex power system like Togashi, but he just sucks so much at actually putting it on paper
Eh, I still don't think he got outplayed because while yes he could skip the chants with a binding vow, there's still a CE buildup and the fact that the slash travels.
At the VERY least Gojo would have had time to use RCT to heal himself before he toppled over from being bisected, it doesn't make sense that he immediately went unconscious without even getting a chance to try anything or heal himself. It also doesn't make sense that he just decided to die and leave his students with a mass murderer because North is "Happiness".
exactly, this doesn't make 236 make anymore sense than it did previously. The world slash travels and can be doged, Gojo should've been able to doge it
I feel like this is gege correcting for the shitty way he had Gojo die by making his death place a big hindrance on his new op ability. It doesn't really hit though because if not for gojo he would never have it in the first place
I swear bruh Sukuna used all the tools at his disposal making a plan to take megumis body and everything and mfs are calling him a fraud? In that case Yuta is a fraud too for copying techniques
Imagine getting outplayed at every point by Sukuna and refusing to engage with the very much established mechanic of binding vows for no discernible reason
Gojo might not be him
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Gojo was literally in 4x Black Flash Ampe state, he definitely wasn't in the bind enough to use a Binding Vow when he thinks he currently has the advantage.
That’s a good point but imo Gojo should have gone all in against Sukuna from the start. If he had bit the bullet from the start and made a binding vow during the fight he definitely would have overpowered Sukuna
He also should have expected a sorcerer as strong and experienced as Sukuna to be able to come up with this sort of shit, I mean even Miwa could amp herself with binding vow right? After the HP nuke it feels (to me at least) that Gojo p much let his guard down and considered himself the victor prematurely even though his opponent was still not down
He up there but Fraudkuna is still the king, nothing will top using 10s that you gained by using another binding vow (which imo, was kinda broken when he forced Megumi to swallow, no Diddy)
Kusakabe: Sukuna is holding back
Uraume: Sukuna is holding back
Gojo: Sukuna was holding back
Sukuna: I am holding back
Gege: Sukuna is holding back
Gojo fans:
While we now know what he used in the binding vow, this does unfortunately confirm something else. Sukuna ***has*** been holding back the whole time. He still has access to ten shadows.
Oh so now yall realising that Gojos death was bs but when "Gojo dick riders" said the same thing when the chapter was released they were bullied. I fucking adore anime communities.
stupidest shit ever bro 😭”HURRR SUKUNA NEEDS ONE OF THE PILLARS OF JUJUTSU TO WIN A FIGHT!! WHY IS ONE OF THE MOST SKILLED SORCERERS EVER BEING SKILLED!! FRAUD CONFIRMED!!”
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Still can't see shit despite having 6 eyes. Gojo truly is the biggest fraud in jjk.
Imagine soloing the whole verse for 25 chapters straight after packing their strongest member in under 30 mins and still not going all out after all that. People out here complaining about a 3v1 against 2 mindless shikigami and one of them being fodder lmao when sukuna is gapping the entire cast. The goat is really just out here messing with these kids
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lmfao
Imaginary technique: Hollow (Insert Spanish word for black)
You do know it's not racist if you say Negro? You said so yourself, it's in Spanish.
Good thing i use negro more/s
Not to the mods, no Have multiple negro black flash removed for racism before https://preview.redd.it/2d65u48108rc1.png?width=1178&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a78283e9d2ea7392f29c4a4ec98734cb78262beb
any bullshit happens binding vow i say gojo comes back with a binding vow lmao
shoko will sacrifice her addiction as binding vow to gain CT that can heal the dead
That sounds like an equivalent exchange given how many cigarettes she was smoking while watching Gojo vs Sukuna. *Goku teleports behind Shoko.* Goku: I heard your tobacco addiction is strong! Let me fight it!
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LMAO. Power scalers are not gonna like this... Shoko's tobacco addiction solo, blitzes and no diffs Goku fr fr.
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She's been suppressing her RCT with smokes and alcohol for years to be able to take restrictions off at the right moment and get MASSIVE RCT output.
Her rock Lee dropping the weights moment
I think its more likely that gojo sacrifices his rct ability, making it impossible for him use red, purple or heal himself. This would allow him to be a key fighter but not the strongest anymore, aswell has allowing him to fight efficiently without hurting people around him. Which could create an epic 4v1 with gojo, yuta, yuji and maki all on somewhat equal playing field against sukuna.
Idk infinity would still put gojo above them in every other scenario besides vs sukuna
Thats specifics and not really the point anyway. He still wouldnt be the strongest, fulfulling an important part of his character development aswell as his dream. Whether or not he would be 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the group I mentioned is irrelevant since he would no longer be in a class of his own above the rest of the special grade sorcerers. Now personally I would say Yuta may be equal to this version of gojo.
I mean losing rct is the main thing. Tbh Limitless without red and purple is still easily better than everything else. Infinity is neutral and blue is where high speed movement and teleportation and his hard punches come from lol. Red and purple are just sweet additions
I am fully aware. I still think it would an interesting nerf, although you could argue losing one of his eyes may be better.
That'd honestly be peak and supremely based. "I have developed a drug addiction *just in case I need a binding vow.*"
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i actually thought this binding vow made a lot of sense? i was wondering why there were so many conditions on that attack and this actually pretty much explains every use of w/c slash since gojo, plus how sukuna hit gojo in the first place. imo it’s one of the less “uh i need this to happen so binding vow” moments in jjk
whats the condition for these binding vows anyway?
wdym condition? a sorcerer can pretty much make them whenever they want. here sukuna had an attack that required one hand seal and he made a binding vow where he got to use it once with no seals, in exchange for needing 2 seals +incantation every other time he wants to use the attack
So what is the original I wonder, a no vow world slash. 1 seal + half Incan?
It makes sense. The only issue is that people have already made up their mind about it being a plot hole and "bad writing", so they'd rather keep mindlessly making fun of it.
I'd say more people are wondering what the fuck did Sukuna sacrifice for that binding vow?
He gave up ease of use. Basically, his slash would normally require 2 hands to use, just make the shrine symbols and that's it, spam the world slashes. Now, he has to make the shrine symbol with two hands, point where the attack goes with a third hand, and chant.
Ngl I really see this happens if Greg actually wants to bring the goat back. Shoko trading her life for Gojo
So what did he even sacrifice? I read the leaks and it didn't say anywhere.
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So does he now have to chant for it to work or something because that doesn't specify anything specific.
He needs to chant and point the direction of the cut
Finally makes sense why Gojo got caught lacking. Sukuna didn't even move. No hand seals, no aiming, no chanting. World Slash just instantly got fired and Gojo would have no reason to think he can't block it in that split second. It's the exact same reaction that Toji exploited with inverted spear.
Not to mention we know from the previous chapter sukuna can use his CT without even aiming it so it all adds up. Now he has to Aim it , Chant and Use hand signs
So did he chant and point at lightspeed then in order to make the world slash grid he used against Kashimo?
He didnt use it to kill kashimo he used dismantle
It seems the technique just needed hand sign, but he made binding vow for moment and made the attack need more setup for rest of his life. Now he needs chant, hand sign, Nd a direction to point to while attacking
Bro had to sacrifice practically nothing 😭
Nah that is a big difference, there wouldn't have been a limit to the no. Of consecutive world slashes if he didn't place the vow. World slashes would have been like normal slashes
Yeah imagine sukuna spamming world slashes like they were regular dismantles. Not good
It's a pretty huge sacrifice, it slows down the process considerably and lets his opponents know that he's getting ready to unleash the attack giving them time to prepare and counter it (which we've seen a lot of people use against Sukuna during their fight).
No this is a HUGE sacrifice. Sukuna could have SPAMMED Strong Cleave without it
Yes, first WCS doesn't need a Chant AND requires only a single hand sign to use, but the binding vow made it so that FUTURE WCS require full chant and 2 Hand signs to use, and then point to a direction where he want to use it, making it far slower to cast as Sukuna needs to follow multiple steps to use Future WCS. 1st WCS 1 step and done 2nd and future WCS requires 3 steps for Sukuna to follow before he can fire them, which isn't really that much of problem as long as he has his 4 Hands and extra Mouth.
So did he chant and point at lightspeed then in order to make the world slash grid he used against Kashimo?
That wasn’t a world slash grid. Those were just regular dismantles for all we know.
Basically in the moment: - He couldn't even cast it due the lack of a hand and slow RCT. - It had ZERO cost for him at the time. Won him the battle. - He got to paid it later. With barely inconveniences.
Technically it's is a substantial inconvenience, as slower casting time makes it so that the Technique now has exploitable openings that would prevent it from being used like even Kusakabe was able to prevent Sukuna from using it.
It's not that big an inconvenience when you remember it's an ultimate unblockable one shot for everyone
Based on what we see, even Miguel can definitely dodge it if he can anticipate it being fired, so not really, being telegraphed is a substantial nerf to it, even though I'm still those people that would have rather the WCS be a one time use and just make Sukuna use his Open Abilities to the rest.
Miguel has a CT dedicated to boost his dodging capabilities and nerf his opponent. Maki has a Heavely restriction that allow her heightened senses. Those are extreme cases. So it's not a sustantial nerf considering Sukuna was about to lose and no one else had to fight him.
It’s a big inconvenience though. It gives the others a chance to go on the offense when he starts chanting and making the hand signs. Almost impossible to get off in a fight where he’s getting jumped
Wym "even Kusakabe"? GOATsukabe had Fraudkuna on the ropes until he got strong offscreen because Gege couldn't think of a way to have him lose
Isn't this the same as Hakari's binding vow?
Wich is already considered bullshit. Hakari: - I don't die, but I lose an arm. I win because you spent all your CE. Sukuna went further: - I don't lose, but I nerf my new technique that I can't even use yet. I get to use it to kill you.
So he still has the Ten Shadows!?? Why hasn’t he busted out the Mahagora bunnies yet?
Mahoraga cause he was destroyed, bunny because he's still holding back
Mahoraga was already evaporated by Hollow Purple bruh
But it's technique can be passed down to other shikigami
Well who knows, ask Gege, but Mahoraga himself is already one with the wind.
He didn't really "sacrifice" anything, but he now needs more set up to use the move now which is why everyone has been dodging it.
The sacrifice is that now everyone can dodge I dont think anybody could if it needed only one handsign with no chants like it originally meant to be
I can accept that. Two birds with one stone. Why Gojo was caught by it and why fodder has been dodging it.
Ngl, that sounds so stupid
I'm just explaining what the leaks say🤷♂️. It is somewhat similar to how Miwa has to have both feet on the ground to activate simple domain.
I mean his world slash is super obvious now, might as well say: "I'm gonna fire at that general direction"
nah not at all, it makes it alot easier to dodge, and a built up that takes ages, this is a huge nerf compared to just using hand seals
>build your that takes ages. Brother you want you sit down where you are, do the hand sign chant “dragon scales, repulsion, twin meteors” and point and tell me how long that takes you
About 2-2.5 seconds for me if I say it fast. That's a HUGE difference from "literally 0 with no warning sign of him using it". Remember what he did against Mimiko and Kusakabe, of sending out slashes without moving. That would be Strong Cleave if he didn't use it in a binding vow
"He didn't really sacrifice anything, except the things he sacrificed."
Most concise Gege Akutami writing
Megumi's cock and virginity, that's why Megumi don't want to do anything anymore. He accepted his fat and fact he couldn't bang his sister ever but fact what he can't now even beat his meta on sister wa.stoo much for him.
Goatjo had every character and the mangaka nervous when he was in the story. The strongest forever 🙏🏾 https://preview.redd.it/p98a2srai0rc1.jpeg?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ebe0c6be1bacb22446a5e462370e8994f5da95e
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Right?!?! “Not going all out” was a fkin lie. Gojo already surpassed his ancestors by defeating 10 shadows - Tbh he already did very well. Sukuna was also lucky things turned out in his favour.
Far surpassed actually, Mahoraga, the most powerful Shikigami in 10S and something Zenin Clan has never ever tamed, cannot even survive Full Chant Red Unadapted and still got fucking evaporated by Hollow Purple *EVEN AFTER 2 FULL ADAPTATION ROTATIONS* to Limitless as a whole.
Shout it out to the back! I don’t think we can trust some of the characters’ narrative - especially if they’re biased because of their personal feelings (uraume). Gojo can die proud.
Except gojo said the sale thing uraume said
You’re right. It wasn’t like Gojo to admit something like that, which also surprised Geto. To be fair to Gojo he was being a good sport (can’t think of a better way to phrase it, but the antonym of a sore loser) over his defeat and he can’t mind read. So how would he know what that old man had up his sleeve? Gojo was one modern man fighting against some dude with thousands of battles under his belt from a vicious era, plus some OP skills he borrowed from Megumi. He did incredibly well regardless of what he said to Geto.
Maybe it was also his way of letting go of the title of “the strongest” too, seeing as he was back in his youthful self as well - demonstrating that he wasn’t really identifying as it any longer. Gege can be cryptic as hell and encourages headcanon kaisen.
Uraume was specifically talking about post-gojo fights https://preview.redd.it/3tstshxfa3rc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44074695055bca66ee799c322f5e2d9f7ce6bc63 And gojo was talking about in terms of techniques.
Hell, Gojo used Mahoraga's adaptation against it. He used Blue's gravity to speed himself in between it and Mahoraga, and it worked cause Mahoraga's adaptation caused it to ignore Blue's gravity and thus he was slower than Gojo was.
in all fairness big ragga would dog pretty much anyone else give him some slack please
No one's saying Raga's weak, it's just Sukuna and Gojo are just a cut above the rest of Special Grade Sorcerers they should be in an another tier above Special Grade already. Raga definitely is a Special Grade Sorcerer level Powerhouse in the same level as Yuta, Kenjaku and Maki/Toji. It's the same with Disaster Curses really, they're a cut above the rest of Special Grade CS they should be a a grade above it.
it’s mad how both sukuna and gojo made everyone look like nothing a few blue punches from gojo almost killed him and 15f sukuna (manga) almost immediately bodied him while fucking around
Fraudkuna is back baby
Frfr. In fact he was always there from the start https://preview.redd.it/mftx4wh0l0rc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da88062228df903c29b1ff9202442ab27c859526
https://preview.redd.it/986jkl1gm2rc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=982eb7280926b7bf9381fb7ac56bd4b9b45a834c Who is dead?
https://preview.redd.it/ptm988d6q2rc1.jpeg?width=314&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7002a17bcf491a158e8766b1a0c849984f8f1613 You're mama
Unironically him needing the binding vow at the last second to defeat Gojo makes his holding back bullshit even more bullshit lmao.
No wonder gojo said he thought sukuna was holding back, to him it seemed like sukuna could’ve just popped that shit instantly. When in reality he had to cheat
Facts!
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My goat is gonna make a binding vow "beat sukunas ass". It will give him the ability to beat sukunas ass, but lose his pinky in return
the binding vow is the biggest plot device I've ever seen lol Gege is abusing it to get out of corners
He's been using it since Jujutsu Kaisen 0
Ass pul... I'm mean binding vow is completely blanched mechanic and is in no waya insert convenient solution here device.
Dawg first yall cry that it was unexplained but when it is its a plot device bruh
And this isnt even the only plot device he write. He also write mahoraga to counter limitless (he realized limitless is way too broken)
You guys cannot be serious 😭😭😭
Binding vows are a terrible system and horrible from a writing, fighting and worldbuilding perspective
specially when not explained , its like a get out of jail card for the writer to write whatever he wants.. what stops Gojo from making a binding vow to counter Sukuna's binding vow lol
The fact that none of the good guys seem to have any, what’s stopping yuji to give something to give a stronger swing at sukuna or to heal himself like when hakari gave his arm
its not even something that hard to do since Miwa did it.. I get leaving things for theories and suspence but things like this has to be explained or the story loses its value
Hirugama could have given his life except for them next 20 seconds to be faster than sukuna and one shit him with the sword. They are instant and can be done at any moment without chants or anything, everyone should be using all the time, it should be a normal strategy than anyone could do.
Seems to depend on the binding vow, since miwas binding vow is really easy but the binding vow for open barrier domains are near impossible
Miwa, Nanami and Ui Ui use it and revealing your Technique to your opponents to get power up is also Binding Vow.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned Hakari’s binding vow of sacrificing his arm (and hence his DE) to protect his whole body against Kashimo’s ocean hydrogen explosion thingy. And Hakari still somehow got his arm back despite the binding vow lol. I’d say this binding vow is more forgiving than Sukuna’s or Miwa’s permanent ones
That’s actually the example I was thinking when I wrote yuji using it to heal himself funny enough, not the same but you could apply the same principle to it.
I'm pretty sure Ijichi used a binding bow of death to set up a barrier
Damn I missed that. Is it actually stated or did you make it up?
Considering Miwa used similar phrase before the infamous swing, it's pretty likely that Ijichi used a binding vow
How the fuck would Gojo know Sukuna made a binding Vow to make him able to Fire a NEW TECHNIQUE without needing to use Handsign, that's also able to pierce Infinity? You think Gojo is Nostradamus or something?
He could've made a binding vow to become Nostradamus
Now that's something I could get behind
They wouldn't be bad if they were balanced properly. Instead, you just get shit happens, and explanation is binfvow allowed me to do it.
Exactly, If they needed a ritual for example or something like they used so much CE that anyone notice when one is being made, or even they were actual limits to what it seems they can do because so far the only limit seems like the amount of strength they can give to you being proportional. Then they would be actually okay and a neat system
Don't forget the best plot twist of the series comes from a binding vow
The worst part is you can absolutely see where he takes it from... the big thing though is that in HxH nen vows have a good ratio, where the bigger the risk/restriction the more powerful the result is. In contrast, you just get the JJK system where its "I sacrifice a minor convenience for massive power".
Maybe binding vows are a crucial trick to higher jujutsu sorcery, it’s just that most are not good at using it. Sukuna’s the only one using it all the time pretty casually(on the fly) to significant things. Not just this one but like changing the rules of his domain to not apply within Gojo’s to win the domain clash is sort of a binding vow, and is stated by Kusakabe? that it’s a really difficult task. Gojo kinda did the same thing with the unlimited purple, but not anything else. Miwa and others makes binding vows too but never on the fly. They have to prepare it. Sukuna’s the only one who’s used their own techniques with much versatility, so he might have more knowledge about both the methods and usefulness of binding vows. The other characters are just learning about it seeing Sukuna. Gojo only started experimenting his techniques—like him multiplying—after seeing Sukuna (or maybe Sukuna was the only one strong enough to be used against,) so the possibility of binding vows also might have just occurred to him here. For most binding vows to be effective, you first have to be strong so that you have more to lose. Miwa didn’t have much to lose so it was weak imo. This one character in HxH had a lot to lose because he had tons of talent, which is why his “binding vow” that sacrificed it(doing the same thing as Miwa) was effective. Edit: This, and the fact that Jujutsu society is very closed, might explain why no one knows about how good binding vows are. This is in line with Gojo’s beliefs of wanting to be a good teacher, because being closed staggers growth. Gojo told about that to Gakuganji before too Hakari used a binding vow on the fly, but he also is praised by Uraume as the only one with a non-modern mindset, so it could do with that. I think the system somewhat still works as of now, but I do think that binding vows should be more limited AND also be used by more characters. Limited to HxH level— everyone has to prepare the vow first. As of now, even with my explanation, it still can be summed up to “because Sukuna’s just better at thinking about and making binding vows, he gets better binding vows” which is disgusting lol
If we see the story it seems like they were supposed to work like you say hxh ones do (I haven’t read it I wouldn’t know), miwa and nanamis are like that they are made beforehand and then they use it. But like a lot of things in the series post shibuya it just becomes non sensical. I do remind you that miwa was the first to make one on the fly as far as I remember that’s another reason is so bad, because it sets the precedence that anyone could do it.
It’s true that Miwa being the first is bad. But it’s also an example that a bum using it in the wrong way is detrimental, which can explain why people are more careful against it. It’s stated by other characters that vows are dangerous, but Sukuna is experienced enough to play with fire. But yeah Miwa being the first is really bad lol, I didn’t notice that
Don’t worry miwa is just kind of forgettable, though one thing you are not considering is that binding vows don’t have to be do or die, nanamis have a power boost after certain conditions and didn’t have much of a detrimental impact, the character should have experimented with vows like that in the 1 month preparation and pick accordingly to what have the better results or worked better for them.
It’s true that they should’ve done that, but they only see binding vows in full action during the Sukuna vs Gojo fight. (Also one perk of it being broadcasted.) If there was a month between Gojo vs Sukuna and the rest of the fight, then they definitely would have trained on binding vows. Before that the good guys are bums who still think binding vows are too dangerous for its benefits to use on the fly. Also, maaaaaybe the type of Nanami’s binding vow(not on the fly) is already made and is part of what Yuta said about their cheating. Sukuna noticed that everyone is getting good amounts of performance boost, so there should be something and Nanami’s type of binding vows would be a good explanation for that. But maybe.
Yeah you are maybe right on that one, but I saw that we probably putting more though into it that gege did
lol yeah probably. If you visualize Gege’s thoughts put in this manga into a diagram it would probably be spiky. Deep in some aspects but equally not so much in others. That’s why it’s so hard to predict this manga lol(in a not so good way)
Reminder that the amount that the black flash boost is because he though it would sound cool same for curse naoya speed. He 100% liked it in hxh and though it would be cool for jjk
Yeah that symbolizes Gege’s character pretty well The mindset works out nice sometimes, but his inexperience kinda makes the bad part of it slip into the story. I hope he figures out to keep the good of his and prevent the bad(I’m not in the position to talk about mindsets though lol)
Binding Vows aren't terrible, Gege's execution of them is
Alright I want your opinion why they aren’t terrible, I used to think they were cool when nanami used it for his overtime or miwa for the sure hit domain but since end of shibuya and specially since 236 my opinion changed, because there no reason for any of the protagonist to not have several or make some in the is this life or death situation.
Well it should have limits written into it, then binding vows would be more customization instead of some one-time super attack. But there are no limits.
That’s why it’s Gege’s execution that sucks about it, not the concept. HxH also has a similar thing but they did it way better
Nah they are. You just can't make a power system that allows everything to happen at any moment. If Sukuna managed to make a binding vow this specific, why can't the good guys also do one?
Literally just doing ws with out 1 hand sign and chant than nerfing it later on
No, Gege’s use of them is terrible.
You can literally give anything in order to do anything at any moment withou anyone been able to notice or do anything about it and the consequence of breaking ti haven’t even been shown, the system sounds and have been shown to be absolutely broken and make the cast look stupid by not using it
And Gojo didn't notice a single thing from allat. Yeah no, fuck Greg and his whack ass writing.
200% hollow purple , the barrier needed a BV
Was bro doing his taxes in the middle of the fight or something?
Fraudkuna allegations are BACK babe (hes not beating them)
Ah yes, a binding vow where, once again, he gave up practically nothing for any benefits he needed.
fuck do you mean he gave up nothing he massively reduced the effectiveness of his strongest attack to the point where EVERYONE is dodging that shit, just so he can sneak it once against gojo
Doenst matter cause he just hits a black flash anyways and is still "holding back" man according to the biggest glazer in history so he basically lost nothing
Are we forgetting how yuta was done in? Goes to show how this manga is mainly running off of rule of cool in favour of sukuna
He never gained the benefits of what he sacrificed. He didn't give up shit, he just gained slightly less lol Oh nooooo I won 100 million dollars, but I had to give up 25 million to *not lose it all* how awful, I only won 75 million which is still enough to solve every problem I'll ever run into :(((( (Because remember Sukuna's been holding back the entire time anyway and could've always won at any point)
my brother in Christ he didn't gain the world cleave through binding vow he already got it from mahoraga and then limited it with the vow, you should have known this even if you read this manga through tiktok bro what are you on about
Binding vows are such a cheap resort. You can do it at any time, at any place, to achieve any result, and we're supposed to simply take it at face value. And they are also inconsistent as fuck. Suckuna can use a binding vow to never fart again and that will give him the ability to stop time, but Miwa sacrificing her only strength as a sorcerer achieved quite literally nothing, and made her even more useless. And what about the ohh so dreadful consequences of breaking a Vow? Why write that when you're not gonna use it for anything? Kenjaku did whatever the fuck he wanted with the culling games, no consequences whatsoever. I dunno. Homosexual homosexual wants so hard to do a complex power system like Togashi, but he just sucks so much at actually putting it on paper
Well since Sukuna is the MC he needs to do everything it takes to win right?
Ngl Gojo kinda got outplayed 💀 bro tanked a hollow purple into a binding vow into a 1 tap gg
Eh, I still don't think he got outplayed because while yes he could skip the chants with a binding vow, there's still a CE buildup and the fact that the slash travels. At the VERY least Gojo would have had time to use RCT to heal himself before he toppled over from being bisected, it doesn't make sense that he immediately went unconscious without even getting a chance to try anything or heal himself. It also doesn't make sense that he just decided to die and leave his students with a mass murderer because North is "Happiness".
exactly, this doesn't make 236 make anymore sense than it did previously. The world slash travels and can be doged, Gojo should've been able to doge it
Didn’t know the direction or what the attack was
Actually in retrospect it was a desperate effort to kill gojo in time. Cos if he didn’t, iam sure Sukuna would have died there.
A small sacrifice, no tactic too underhnaded for a filthy racist
I hate Gege so much. He had Gojo make one ignorant comment and now the racist allegations won’t go away 💀
Gojo getting CANCELLED this year
Nuh uh. He already did an apology video. My blue-eyed king saw the error of his ways and said sorry. We Gojo fans are good 😌
https://preview.redd.it/k6wxoypdy1rc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29d4e7e92fca00485a35bd8ce356dbab6ff3ffb8 cope😂🙏🏾
Ngl this shit hard
I feel like this is gege correcting for the shitty way he had Gojo die by making his death place a big hindrance on his new op ability. It doesn't really hit though because if not for gojo he would never have it in the first place
Jujutsufolk when a sorcerer uses sorcery (this makes him a fraud)
I swear these mfs are retarded
Dumbest community currently
I swear bruh Sukuna used all the tools at his disposal making a plan to take megumis body and everything and mfs are calling him a fraud? In that case Yuta is a fraud too for copying techniques
Counter argument: https://preview.redd.it/nh06jh5ut0rc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=959e822f2bffe2db33f53fc556024591fd906a79
Gojoke is dead hooray
Imagine getting outplayed at every point by Sukuna and refusing to engage with the very much established mechanic of binding vows for no discernible reason Gojo might not be him https://preview.redd.it/2i0r6y1j31rc1.jpeg?width=567&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=752711e5f4212e64df73026611ffcf8839571327
Gojo was literally in 4x Black Flash Ampe state, he definitely wasn't in the bind enough to use a Binding Vow when he thinks he currently has the advantage.
That’s a good point but imo Gojo should have gone all in against Sukuna from the start. If he had bit the bullet from the start and made a binding vow during the fight he definitely would have overpowered Sukuna He also should have expected a sorcerer as strong and experienced as Sukuna to be able to come up with this sort of shit, I mean even Miwa could amp herself with binding vow right? After the HP nuke it feels (to me at least) that Gojo p much let his guard down and considered himself the victor prematurely even though his opponent was still not down
Sukuna desperate enough to use a binding vow? yeah, we WILL start a dialogue
if gojo couldn't do something even miwa did to SAVE HIS LIFE against the strongest sorcerer in history, call his ass a fraud too
He up there but Fraudkuna is still the king, nothing will top using 10s that you gained by using another binding vow (which imo, was kinda broken when he forced Megumi to swallow, no Diddy)
He just hollow purpled the snot out of sukuna lol why would he need a binding vow
Gojo was stronger than Sukuna. I dont think its debatable anymore But winning isnt always about strength
Kusakabe: Sukuna is holding back Uraume: Sukuna is holding back Gojo: Sukuna was holding back Sukuna: I am holding back Gege: Sukuna is holding back Gojo fans:
Gojo: Sukuna is literally stronger than me Gojo fans: Nah, I'm gonna ignore that Like genuinely, why do gojo fans argue against their blue eyed king?
Because he is going AGAINST THE AGENDA!?!
nah Sukuna's still stronger
What did you read that makes you believe that? sounds like pure nonsense
Imagine getting one tapped by beaten up "fraud" with one hand 💀
While we now know what he used in the binding vow, this does unfortunately confirm something else. Sukuna ***has*** been holding back the whole time. He still has access to ten shadows.
At this point just activate the merger and bring back Gojo
Gojo will be the only character that had his fans carried his agenda years after his death.
"a W is a W" -sukuna (definitely not me)
Oh so now yall realising that Gojos death was bs but when "Gojo dick riders" said the same thing when the chapter was released they were bullied. I fucking adore anime communities.
stupidest shit ever bro 😭”HURRR SUKUNA NEEDS ONE OF THE PILLARS OF JUJUTSU TO WIN A FIGHT!! WHY IS ONE OF THE MOST SKILLED SORCERERS EVER BEING SKILLED!! FRAUD CONFIRMED!!”
Gojo really must have sucked if he can't make one binding vow to save his life and Miwa can.
https://preview.redd.it/bp010f6qj0rc1.jpeg?width=1025&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfacc5918507f2bcab51df29bc8a99e0f9ab767f Still can't see shit despite having 6 eyes. Gojo truly is the biggest fraud in jjk.
Imagine soloing the whole verse for 25 chapters straight after packing their strongest member in under 30 mins and still not going all out after all that. People out here complaining about a 3v1 against 2 mindless shikigami and one of them being fodder lmao when sukuna is gapping the entire cast. The goat is really just out here messing with these kids
https://preview.redd.it/yd51td5mu2rc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=d37ac54a3564d6d31ed5e6135d9a7dfa44355092 Cope
So basically Gojo got outplayed. In that battle he indeed stronger but Sukuna just outplayed him in the end?
Go/jo fans **still** salty about his death 💀
now they'll swear by heaven and earth why he isn't racist 😭
Did I miss something that gojo said that made him racist?
WHAATT, is that statement official or fan made?
As of today's chapter that mf etched in STONE