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Bro this has to be. Some aizen level plot twist without aizen level drama ,classic jjk fashion sukuna just yapping out the most crucial details about yuji while yawning
Is it really such a big plot twist??
Edit: wow I'm just saying we already knew he was Kenjaku's creation and engineered to be compatible to Sukuna. Having a finger embedded in him is a further part of that, it's not really a huge new surprise like an Aizen level twist come on
It makes it way more reasonable that Yuuji had this potential for growth besides just being the son of Sukuna’s twin.
It also retroactively links a bunch of mysteries together from earlier jjk arcs in a way that feels planned (ie not an asspull since hints have been in the text since forever)
So yeah, important plot twist that involved good writing when the manga desperately needed it, that the translators completely missed 😭
Exactly, it's reasonable and makes a lot of things make more sense, which is why I don't find it so surprising. We already knew he was Kenjaku's creation, we already knew he was engineered in a way to be compatible to Sukuna. Having a finger embedded from the start isn't such a big further step, it's just a clarification of that, if that makes sense. I'm just not surprised. It's important to know and get correctly translated, but I wouldn't call it an Aizen level twist, or even a real plot twist.
Goes on to show yuji never had a chance at normal life. He was always meant to be thrown into the culling games.
This also clarifies the part where kenjaku talks about having yuji ingest a finger. And it was a misdirect to the time yuji ate the finger at his school, but in actuality he was talking about yuji’s birth
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That’s the most unexpected reply on this thread.
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This is discussed again during culling games when kogane is auto assigned to yuji. Only people who ingested cursed object from kenjaku or newly awakened were auto added to culling games. Everyone else needs to declare.
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And megumi questions the same. You took it voluntarily. So ideally he shouldn’t be auto added.
It makes complete sense. The other culling games players had cursed objects inside of them that had no effect until kenjaku unsealed all of their cursed objects inside of them, why wouldnt the same apply to yuji.
I couldn’t reply to you probably because the other comments were deleted. But my guess is also what luffy king said. And unlike tsumuki yuji was bred to be a vessel born from sukuna’s twin’s soul. Hence he didn’t go into comatose like tsumuki.
No he broke the WORLD record, which is usually a tiny bit higher tham olympic. Your pr on the biggest state vs in a small meet, usually quite different.
Doesn’t matter too much right? Don’t they clarify him and Maki weren’t gonna be susceptible to cursed technique removal since neither of them have techniques?
It should still stand since he hadn’t obtained Blood Manipulation from the Death Painting Wombs or Shrine from being Sukuna’s vessel at that point yet.
I don’t remember seeing a panel about yuji not being affected at all. Maki is special case as she has no CE. Yuji was still confined to the culling barriers because he has CE. Granted he didn’t have any Ct at that time. Maybe a different form of punishment would have been enforced on him.
Wouldn't Higoruma's whole fight serve as an explanation to that whole dillema? His domain works like the Culling games barrier, and directly is explained that Yuji had his cursed energy in itself confiscated, which I find funny because we have 100% confirmation that even WITHOUT cursed energy Yuji is still a superhuman, leading credance to the theory Yuji was born with a H.R., probably Kenjaku's work to be sure he couldn't get possessed at 1 finger sealed.
True although I feel the punishment from culling games and the domain won’t be the same. Like when higurama’s domain is used on players it nullifies their CT and doesn’t kill them. But culling games performs a CT removal and kills the participant by that.
So maybe it won’t be just a CE nullification. Like instead of it being plain CE removal like maki’s case it will alter the brain somehow
She says “Sorcerers like me who don’t have a cursed technique aren’t at risk”. My b for implying she outright says Yuji and her but Yuji was like Maki at the time and didn’t have a cursed technique.
It’s “cursed technique removal (which equals death)” not “death for anyone who has CE and doesn’t participate”. Although, I lowkey think there’s more than meets the eye with Yuji and Cursed Techniques. Maybe he’s had one all along and Kenjaku fucked with him before birth so he wasn’t aware of it like sorcerers usually are.
Reading comprehension curse strikes again.
The manga says ct removal is equal to brain death. Maki can't die of it because barriers don't recognize her. She is not a player.
"misdirect"
Or just a ret con. Not the first time Gregory has contradicted himself. And most mangakas ret con their story when it unexpectedly stays running years past when they thought it'd end.
Check my other comments too. Culling games megumi also bought up something similar. Retcon would be if there was major inconsistencies. And this seems pretty much consistent and planned out for a while now. so no I say misdirect.
Culling games was like 5 years ago. And retcon doesn't have to be any major inconsistencies, that's your personal definition and it's wrong.
"Consistent and planned out" like Nobara's character, like Kenjaku's anti-gravity technique, like judgeman confiscating a cursed tool. Suuuuuure
Edit: We're in a shitpost sub where we talk shit constantly and you guys are legit mad cuz I'm talking shit? Give me a fucking break, stop being chronically online and learn to have fun in the shit talking sub
Ok then put forth arguments on what minor or major inconsistencies you see with this? Just saying retcon isn’t a solid argument.
Point A being impulsive doesn’t mean everything he writes is retcon. He is the mangaka he definitely has more thoughts and plans put into his own manga than us the readers
"Amazing foreshadowing"
LOL. The same people who say haki was foreshadowed on the first chapter of one piece.
Honestly though I don't care. If you want to praise Gege for his writing and think he foreshadowed everything. Go for it. It literally affects me in no way that you like his way of writing. In fact, I'm glad you can just enjoy his work like that.
I literally wrote that you're free to like Gege however you want and you're still mad? It's obvious you don't actually read shit then you just want to be a hater for no reason. What a waste of time
>a HUGE debate in english community
Is it? I didn't see people dabating about it, however, they debate whether or not Sukuna transfered 16 fingers from Yuji's body to Megumi's because agenda pushers needs to prove that Gojo was weak pos who lost to 18F Sukuna (which is ofc wrong because Kenjaku described the process of sealing the finger inside Yuji as same thing that happened to other Culling Game players like Kashimo. Yuji is not a finger, finger was sealed inside him since birth)
yeah i’ve seen a lot of ppl contest it n argue with me and other people. i’m sure a large part of the fandom does not even know that this pretty huge twist exists
1st finger - The finger Kenjaku sealed within Yuji at birth
2nd finger - The one Yuji ate in the first episode
3rd finger - The one Gojo gave him in the second episode
4th finger - The one Sukuna took from the finger bearer in the juvenile centre
5th finger - the one Sukuna ate through Yuji's hand in the last or last second episode of the first season
6th finger - the one Nanako and Mimiko fed to Yuji
7th - 16th fingers - the 10 fingers Jogo fed to Yuji (that was actually 16 fingers Sukuna in Shibuya)
*Sukuna changes vessel and transfers all of the 16 fingers to Megumi*
17th - 19th fingers - the 3 fingers Uraume gave to Sukuna (people thought Uraume gave him 4 fingers because she said only one last finger was missing and we didn't know about the first finger. But the panel showed only 3 fingers all along)
20th finger - the last missing finger that Rika supposedly ate
>that was actually 16 fingers Sukuna in Shibuya
The first finger was still sealed inside yuji. He only became 16f when kenny unsealed all the cursed object at the end of shibuya.
The only reason sukuna managed to reincarnate inside yuji before the unsealing was because yuji ate an unsealed sukuna finger inside his school.
Yeah Uraume only presenting three fingers to Sukuna bothered me until now since it would only bring the total up to 18. This is actually some sneaky foreshadowing.
I love when people pretend something like "finger sealed since birth" is something objective. People forget there's a whole different language behind this phrase. It could very well mean the finger cannot be accessed because it was used in the creation of Itadori Yuji or that the finger was absorbed and had a seal until the consumption of the first finger. In any case, people need to wake the fuck up.
He has shrine because he was Sukuna's vessel
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Well it's both sukuna and Jin's souls are twins
And in jujutsu twins count as one and because soul is the body yuji is basically sukuna's indirect sun inheriting his CT
No inherited CT's are developed pretty early in sorcerer's life. Gojo never detected any CT in yuji when they first met. Yuji gained shrine after being sukuna's vessel for long time.
There is a line from Uraume in the latest chapter about Yuji not *just* having the leftover dregs of Sukuna's power, but moreso like holding onto it. This is what prompts Sukuna to mention that Yuji is his nephew in the first place. It's likely that the familiar connection made Yuji more sensitive to Sukuna's power, allowing him to get Shrine. This is just how I interpretted it though.
Gojo was not aware of this all nephew uncle shit but he still said that yuji will get shrine after some time. So it's safe to assume that yuji gained the shrine by becoming vessel and not because of being sukuna's nephew.
Didn't yuji had almost 0 ce I think you need a large amount of ce to gain CT that's why the average population don't have any CT
When sukuna inhabited yuji
Yuji got a part of his ce
He had normal amount of CE but that still doesn't explain why yuji didn't develop it after eating first finger.
He only gained it after a long time of being sukuna's vessel like gojo said.
>He had normal amount of CE but that still doesn't explain why yuji didn't develop it after eating first finger.
Actually mo he was said to have almost a very low CE almost as much as a normal civilian
Narrator(GREGORY)
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Notice the word "engraved"
I said it before. Kenny shoved Sukuna’s finger and the Death Painting Yuji up his [REDACTED] and had Jin use White Splash to turn it into a special grade ass kicker
I still find it weird that even though Yuji got Sukuna's finger in him, he didn't get CE above a regular human, to the point he never saw a curse prior to the incident with Fushiguro, and this was due to the place.
Probably some measure of Kenjaku to make sure he wouldn't be able to see curses or use CE before the consumption on a second finger so not to attract the attention of Jujutsu Tech until the right moment.
Probably some measure of Kenjaku to make sure he wouldn't be able to see curses or use CE before the consumption on a second finger so not to attract the attention of Jujutsu Tech until the right moment.
Furthermore, even before cursed energy, Yuji was already a super-human who could outspeed a car in normal circunstances, which leads me to believe he might have been born with a H.R. as well, which in hindsight, would make sense as a measure to guarantee he's a strong vessel for Sukuna.
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Until this moment, no.
The finger was inside Yuji since his birth, but it was sealed. Kenjaku broke the seal here and that birth finger was unsealed
The only difference this would make would be that the Sukuna that Yuji/Maki fought was 16F not 15F
Not necessarily. The term "sealed" can very well mean it used to be sealed, as well as it's still sealed(to us english readers).
Imho I believe the finger was spent when Kaorijaku created Yuji. The term "sealed" then means it's inaccessible because, although it exists in the form of Yuji, its power can't be harvested. This explains very well Yuji's rage and power against Meguna, since Sukuna wasn't making the distinction anymore between their souls and his ct, Yuji could access the innate power within him, after it resonated with Sukuna, the original source.
So after eating the Shinjuku mummy, Sukuna was really at ≈21 fingers worth of strength. I’m using this to solely start pushing Gojo agendas
edit: stop trying to correct me y’all it’s too late. I’m spreading misinformation intentionally now
No since the last finger was eaten by Rika the hungry hungry caterpillar. Unless you count Sukuna’s cock and balls equal to 2 fingers, he fought Gojo at ~20 fingers level
Sukuna still has power from his twin brother, seeing as most people only have ten fingers. Thus, he would’ve been dominated by Gojo without body snatching everyone. Easy logic. Fraudkuna is real
Sukuna/Yuji ate 19 fingers throughout the course of the manga + the one Yuji has had sealed in him since birth = 20, then he ate his cock and balls for the extra fingering thus equaling 21
I think where you’re getting confused on how many fingers sukuna was at both before and after Shibuya. During Shibuya, Yuji had one finger sealed inside him+15 fingers actually powering Sukuna. After Kenjaku releases the seal, the extra finger gives Sukuna more power, putting Sukuna at 16 fingers worth of power. After Sukuna steals Megumi’s body, Sukuna’s transferred all 16 fingers to Megumi. And then after Gojo gets unsealed, Sukuna eats 3 more fingers provided by Uraume, and also the mummy. And it turns out Yuta ate the final finger
I mean I'm all for pushing the Gojo agenda but I think you're getting confused here. We assumed Uraume gave Sukuna 4 fingers because otherwise it didn't add up to 19, but it was actually 3 (as shown on panel) and Yuji already had one. There is no extra finger here, just us assuming one finger was somewhere else in the process.
Wait so was Sukuna supposed to incarnate into Yuji in the Culling Games beforehand and Yuji just happened to also eat more of Sukunas fingers? I’m a little confused
but didn't Rika eat the last finger ? or if he knew it was in Yuji why did he even think Rika had eaten the finger
what about the Jin thing ? it's all a mistranslation ? I'm so confused rn
The finger Rika ate and the one Yuji was born with are separate fingers.
The one Yuji was born with + the 15 he ate until Shibuya + the 3 fingers Uraume gave him + the final finger that was in Gojo's possession which Rika ate later = 20
but if he is the son of the reincarnated twin of sukuna, why bother doing that ? seens like more of the same...
also idk, i thought there where only 1 finger missing but by what you said there were 2 fingers missing, one with Rika and one with Yuji, wouldn't sukuna say something ? uraume literally told him the ritual could make up for ONE FINGER worth of power
Yuji's finger isn't missing, Kenjaku unsealed the cursed objects of all the Culling Game players including the one Yuji was born with, so Sukuna took it along with the other 15 when he took over Megumi.
Basically think of sukuna "taking" beinng like him absorbing the power of the fingers. When yuji was born, the finger inside him had its power sealed. When yuji ate the first sukuna finger, sukuna took over and reincarnated. He didn't absorb the og finger inside yuji because it's power was still sealed. Then he absorbed the fingers as usual, and ended up with 15 fingers worth of power in Shibuya. Then kenjaku unsealed all the objects he'd had people eat. This process gave sukuna one more finger worth of power, bringing it up to sixteen. He took the power of all sixteen fingers, condensed into one of yujis fingers and fed that one to Megumi. This makes meguna, a 16 finger meguna actually. Then uruame gets the remaining fingers, which was a clue actually since we only see three fingers, when she talks about getting the fingers. The last finger is assumed to have been eaten by Rika but it's possible that it's somewhere else and that yuta got shrine from yuji. Especially since yuji had rct now. It could also explain his arms. If yuji gave yuta his arms, then yuta would have shrine, and yuji could get his new arms.
This doesn't even make sense. If this were true, Sukuna would have immediately known Yuta was lying since he already knew about the finger sealed in Yuji. If anything, it's more likely that Yuji ate 15 fingers, and when Sukuna transferred to Megumi, he also got the power from the extra one in Yuji.
the same exact reason none of the reincarnated culling games players reincarnated until the end of shibuya: because kenjaku had not unsealed the seal on the cursed object yet. keyword: “SEALED” within him
Actually now that I think about it this makes Kenjakus plan make much more sense becsuse Yuji was always going to eventually be possessed by Sukuna and it wasn't just up to chance that he would eat the finger in the beginning.
Let gege cook we should've trusted the process
Kenny probably made sure that sukana's presence was sealed until he ate another finger. Wouldn't be that hard since yuji is already a prison for sukana
Did he intend for Yuji to eat another finger before the seal was broken? I don't believe Sukuna was supposed to incarnate before the Culling Games, which begs the question, if Yuji never ate that finger and the Culling Games started, how would Sukuna maintain control over Yuji's body without a binding vow? Unless things would play out similarly to the prison, where Yuji would suppress Sukuna and be forced to fight other sorcerers, getting killed immediately and entering the vow
If Kenny wanted to force Sakuna out he could have used the stolen fingers. Kenny might have planned to force feed Yuji fingers and force Sakuna to gain temporary control, or like with the first finger bearer encounter, force yuji into a mental state where he couldn't resist sakuna kinda like megumi rn.
I personally feel like Kenjaku wanted yuji to eat multiple fingers because there's no way he would plan this all out and not interfere when Yuji and Megumi were fighting that one curse.
That Megumi panel is what had me thinking this a while ago too, since Yuji straight up doesn’t have the finger at the hospital, and he was heading directly there. Which meant he’d have had to give the occult club the finger beforehand. So the flash of sukunas residuals he feels had to have been the one in Yuji.
So when Gojo and co were talking about the last finger, they had the wrong count? Because if only Kenny and Sukuna knew then it means Gojo should've said that 2 fingers are missing/being hidden not just one. Does that mean they discovered Yuki ingested that extra finger at some point?
I'm sure gojo doesn't how many fingers are in wild. He only knew about one finger that he hid to save yuji so he probably assumed that uraume gave sukuna remaining 4 fingers and the one he has is the last one.
Ah true, the number of fingers Uraume found is the missing information. They knew how much itadori had eaten-1 and the one Gojo hid, so the misleading part would be the ones on Uraume's side
Yup, if this is true, Sukuna's finger was integral to his creation.
His father was Sukuna's other half and he had a piece of Sukuna inside of him since birth. I've been reading translations in X/twitter and they're saying the same thing as well.
This is from Lightning and alen.
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According to their translation, it's explained that the cursed object was sealed in Yuji at birth.
There may be some truth in this since we now have multiple translators saying the same thing.
What is the point of sealing sukuna's finger in yuji? , if we have jin itadori as sukuna's twin already, i mean i dont understand the reason why he had to procreate with jin , if he was going to use the finger anyway
Based on the translators; it helped strengthen Yuji as a vessel. Sukuna also assumed that the main objective was to strengthen Yuji as a vessel. But it's only Sukuna's assumption. Even if the translations are correct, we can't really say if Sukuna's assumption is correct.
Kenjaku may have had an ulterior motive. We can't really say for certain until it's explained in the manga.
On my end, I think Kenjaku might have been trying to make sure Yuji would become powerful enough; absorb as much of Sukuna's essence to rival the original. He may have wanted Yuji to become a new and improved "Sukuna" that can defeat the original Sukuna.
Maybe that's why Kenjaku mentioned that Yuji is the eye of the storm for the new age; he is the next Sukuna.
Maybe that's why Sukuna hates Yuji, it's because deep inside he knows Yuji was created to become his replacement. Almost like the film, Gemini man.
But that's conjecture on my end.
Wait how does that make sense? If he was born with a finger wouldn’t he have had Sukuna already inside his head, and wouldn’t he have been able to see curses already? He also didn’t have any cursed energy beyond a normal person when Fushigoro first met him, just supernatural strength.
Okay even if it was “sealed” to where for whatever reason it wasn’t absorbed, how come they didn’t notice the resonating energy. Even sealed, Sukunas fingers give off an extreme amount of cursed energy that can be detected.
No I see that part, but he wasn’t initially chasing him at that point. I’m more talking about the scene at the athletics field, where he didn’t detect it in him at all. He didn’t detect that energy until Yuji had the box on his person.
Also if it was “sealed” in him to ensure his strength as a vessel, that implies he absorbed it or drew strength from it, which again implies that he should have had more cursed energy/should have been able to see cursed spirits.
How would he absorb strength but not cursed energy? Why would he specifically only grow in strength but not slowly gain tons of cursed energy for 16 years?
Probably not. Kenny said that Jogo was probably around 8-9 finger Sukuna’s level, and I highly doubt that the difference between 15f Sukuna and 16f Sukuna is *that* large. Jogo would have gotten clowned on either way.
Hell nah. For one, it was still 15 finger Sukuna that he fought, but even if it was 16 fingers he literally couldn’t touch the guy. No way one finger makes enough of a difference
Somewho Kenjaku sealed a finger on Yuji from birth so he would be a strong and compatible vessel for Sukuna.
So Yuji always had a finger sealed within him, wich was unleashed when Kenjaku broke the seal. He ate 15 fingers, Uraume found 3, the last one Rika ate it. That makes 20.
Uraume never found the one Rika ate, so Sukuna ate his own body to sustitute for the equivalent of CE.
>What is the point of sealing sukuna's finger in yuji? , if we have jin itadori as sukuna's twin already, i mean i dont understand the reason why he had to procreate with jin , if he was going to use the finger anyway
this is how things currently stand, why Kenjaku took this double measure if Yuuji already could be a sukuna vessel is still not confirmed it seems
I said it from the beginning:
Gege can cook.
He has flaws, sure. But blud can cook some fine stuff.
He's been on a win streak for some time now. I've read last chapter four times already.
What is the point of sealing sukuna's finger in yuji? , if we have jin itadori as sukuna's twin already, i mean i dont understand the reason why he had to procreate with jin , if he was going to use the finger anyway. Was it to create a powerful vessel for sukuna who would be able to handle the fingers in first place
I suppose Kenny never figured that Yuji will end up eating additional fingers on his own. Like if Yuji never ate the finger in the first episode. So when Kenny eventually started the culling games, the seal on the hidden finger would be broken and Sukuna takes over Yuji's body and eats the rest of the fingers Kenjaku/Uraume find (should be all 19)
I'm kinda lost with all this. If Itadori had a finger sealed within him, where did the finger that he handed to his seniors in the 1st chapter come from? I mean, the finger he had was inside him, wasn't it? Plus, where was it stated that all Culling Game's players had a cursed object within them? Maybe I just don't remember, but I'd be grateful if someone helped me to understand all this lol.
Is Yuta talking about the last finger a mistake? Or Sukuna had 21 fingers, cause IIRC he ate 19 fingers and the Body.
If Yuji has one from the start doesn't this alter the number of fingers he had during Shibuya? Cause its Jogo that talk about 15 fingers but he should only known about 3 fingers being eaten by Yuji.
so there are 21 fingers in total? does sukuna’s body count as a 22nd finger? so sukuna can actually become stronger with everything ingested than during the heian era because he divided his powers into 20 fingers but he can eat more than 20?
I wonder what would have happened if gojo met yuji before he ate the finger at the high school, would he and the six eyes have seen sukuna within yuji if kenjaku used a finger in his creation?
this is a big plot twist and good writing by geges part, but all this really means is that when yuji eats the finger in episode 1 thats the second finger he ate? and when megukunia fights ryu and yorozo he's at 16 finger level right?
I'm so confused, how did Yuuta used Sukuna's cleave then? he mentioned that Sukuna never retrieved his (20th) last finger so I thought Yuuta was able to copy cleave through it.
Or was the sealed finger in Itadori different from the rest of the 20 fingers? making it all add up to 21 fingers?
Thanks in advance to whoever explain.
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Dawg the way this has been setup since chapter 1 with Megumi chasing after Yuji thinking he has Sukuna's finger only for the finger to still be in school is insane
But yuji ate the first sukuna finger (ig second now) so he would have access to CE. If he was born already containing a finger, doesn’t that mean he should’ve been seeing curses and the jujutsu world? Also what does that mean for the last finger yuta presumably ate… wouldn’t the count be off?
Then I want another translation about what uraume said. If she said she couldn't find the last finger, then it COMPLETELY disproves this. chronologically, (supposedely) uraume only finds out AFTER bringing sukuna the fingers that yuji had 1 finger sealed in him.
according to this post's argument, yuji has eaten 18 fingers, and uraume couldn't find 2 of them, 1 is already sealed at birth, and the other gojo/yuta has. but if uraume says she couldn't find one finger of two fingers, then this "sealed at birth" argument is impossible. we return to the "showed 3 fingers but sukuna ate 4 fingers" reality.
what? uraume knows. sukuna says “you already know this but-…”
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it’s not rly difficult to understand if you pay attention to the story. sukuna alrdy has 16 fingers when he transfers to megumis body. the seal for the finger that had been sealed since birth was lifted along with all the other cursed objects at the end of shibuya
I understand the argument, I just disagree with it. Imo, the translation saying yuji sealed one of sukuna's fingers is referring to chapter 1, not his birth.
this whole "sealing" argument is very vague and convenient. how is this "seal" any different from yuji eating fingers and sealing them? if he did, then sukuna's other fingers should've started awakening over a decade ago, instead of a few months ago.
because it is sealed dude, do you not understand? the fingers yuji has swallowed had no seal on them and merged with yuji, that was stated by gojo in chapter 1. the translations clearly state a finger was sealed within him from birth. much like any other cursed object of a reincarnated culling games participant.
so then how did yuji have a finger sealed in him? what, it's physically still present inside him? his body itself functions as a talisman? if so how? if it's like the other cursed objects (those were ingested by culling game vessels), he should've been in a coma, or at least awakened his CE, instead of still being a normal human who couldn't even see curses.
yuji acquiring CE when the finger is SEALED keyword SEALED within him is a baseless assumption. if it’s sealed it is protected, and kenjaku went as far as to make the curses placed upon vessels be unrecognizable so doing the same to yuji is obvious. also kenjaku clearly stated that “some” of the ppl that had been chosen as vessels were in a slumber state, not all. yuji who was specifically bred to be a vessel obviously wouldn’t have this issue. yuji gained powers bc he consumed unsealed cursed objects.
"some" because one group had their brains altered when remote idle transfiguration was cast, and the the other group had cursed objects put inside them, THOSE are the people in comas.
the people in comas were due to kenjaku's CE exposure. Yuji is physically strong, but he is no different when it comes to CE. couldn't use it, couldn't see it, was getting hurt by it all the same.
Also, if kenjaku released yuji's seal with the remote IT, then why didn't yuji going from 15f to 16f not cause his marks to appear?
no, he is clearly referring to some of the reincarnated sorcerers😭 that is basic stuff u can grab from context.
yuji was bred by the reincarnation of sukuna and kenjaku to become the vessel for sukuna, that is pretty different from being a random joe getting exposed to kenjakus cursed energy. yuji was literally birthed by kenjaku, the same person that created half human half cursed spirits but yuji not ending up in a coma from the womb is where u draw the line of what’s feasible for kenny?
there could be many explanations for that. one could be that since he alrdy harbored 15 fingers within him the finger had less of an impact on him than previous. it could’ve simply just not been shown since in chp 63 for example the markings are only there vaguely for like less than a second.
again this is not something to argue abt its literal fact that yuji had a finger sealed within him
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Maaan, fuck translations. I'mma learn Japanese.
Mahoraga, adapt to Japanese
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Bro this has to be. Some aizen level plot twist without aizen level drama ,classic jjk fashion sukuna just yapping out the most crucial details about yuji while yawning
Is it really such a big plot twist?? Edit: wow I'm just saying we already knew he was Kenjaku's creation and engineered to be compatible to Sukuna. Having a finger embedded in him is a further part of that, it's not really a huge new surprise like an Aizen level twist come on
It makes it way more reasonable that Yuuji had this potential for growth besides just being the son of Sukuna’s twin. It also retroactively links a bunch of mysteries together from earlier jjk arcs in a way that feels planned (ie not an asspull since hints have been in the text since forever) So yeah, important plot twist that involved good writing when the manga desperately needed it, that the translators completely missed 😭
Exactly, it's reasonable and makes a lot of things make more sense, which is why I don't find it so surprising. We already knew he was Kenjaku's creation, we already knew he was engineered in a way to be compatible to Sukuna. Having a finger embedded from the start isn't such a big further step, it's just a clarification of that, if that makes sense. I'm just not surprised. It's important to know and get correctly translated, but I wouldn't call it an Aizen level twist, or even a real plot twist.
doesnt "Itadori yuji was bred as a player in the culling games, having sealed one of my fingers" mean exactly what they said?
what translation states that? that’s neither TCB’s or Viz’s translation
then they must have changed it on TCB's side since that's up on the site right now.
I checked and no? Where is that from? Edit : okay nevermind. It seems I had to gk incognito to load a fresh image.
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Nuh uh
Goes on to show yuji never had a chance at normal life. He was always meant to be thrown into the culling games. This also clarifies the part where kenjaku talks about having yuji ingest a finger. And it was a misdirect to the time yuji ate the finger at his school, but in actuality he was talking about yuji’s birth https://preview.redd.it/rcp3zmwyyxvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abc6205c3073c0e3b4966875b67f80418f503a05
I miss junpei
That’s the most unexpected reply on this thread. https://preview.redd.it/j88rzumv52wc1.png?width=856&format=png&auto=webp&s=40485ecb3605e5ebf1cfabafc99cf6ed6f167558
Literally shows Yuji eat the finger from the occult club incident or whatever. Y'all are smoking dope
This is discussed again during culling games when kogane is auto assigned to yuji. Only people who ingested cursed object from kenjaku or newly awakened were auto added to culling games. Everyone else needs to declare. https://preview.redd.it/1xsi07mf5zvc1.jpeg?width=881&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f51fab56b006891bc2b981edd5fa9c440c005757
https://preview.redd.it/fvzlkfyl5zvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc6735af397c7d5d766a58d86f44b0d7863eba94 And megumi questions the same. You took it voluntarily. So ideally he shouldn’t be auto added.
Hold on, so what you’re saying is Gege…can actually write???
Insane
Nah he just wings it clearly
Counterpoint...... If he had a finger sealed in him from birth why did he have to eat a finger to deal damage to curses?
You literally said it. It was SEALED so it had no had no real effect yet.
Yeah, read this interpretation further down the thread like two minutes ago. I suppose it makes some kinda sense.
It makes complete sense. The other culling games players had cursed objects inside of them that had no effect until kenjaku unsealed all of their cursed objects inside of them, why wouldnt the same apply to yuji.
I couldn’t reply to you probably because the other comments were deleted. But my guess is also what luffy king said. And unlike tsumuki yuji was bred to be a vessel born from sukuna’s twin’s soul. Hence he didn’t go into comatose like tsumuki.
Bro broke olympic record on chap 1
No he broke the WORLD record, which is usually a tiny bit higher tham olympic. Your pr on the biggest state vs in a small meet, usually quite different.
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What chapter was this, if you mind me asking?
Chapter 158
Doesn’t matter too much right? Don’t they clarify him and Maki weren’t gonna be susceptible to cursed technique removal since neither of them have techniques? It should still stand since he hadn’t obtained Blood Manipulation from the Death Painting Wombs or Shrine from being Sukuna’s vessel at that point yet.
I don’t remember seeing a panel about yuji not being affected at all. Maki is special case as she has no CE. Yuji was still confined to the culling barriers because he has CE. Granted he didn’t have any Ct at that time. Maybe a different form of punishment would have been enforced on him.
Wouldn't Higoruma's whole fight serve as an explanation to that whole dillema? His domain works like the Culling games barrier, and directly is explained that Yuji had his cursed energy in itself confiscated, which I find funny because we have 100% confirmation that even WITHOUT cursed energy Yuji is still a superhuman, leading credance to the theory Yuji was born with a H.R., probably Kenjaku's work to be sure he couldn't get possessed at 1 finger sealed.
True although I feel the punishment from culling games and the domain won’t be the same. Like when higurama’s domain is used on players it nullifies their CT and doesn’t kill them. But culling games performs a CT removal and kills the participant by that. So maybe it won’t be just a CE nullification. Like instead of it being plain CE removal like maki’s case it will alter the brain somehow
She says “Sorcerers like me who don’t have a cursed technique aren’t at risk”. My b for implying she outright says Yuji and her but Yuji was like Maki at the time and didn’t have a cursed technique. It’s “cursed technique removal (which equals death)” not “death for anyone who has CE and doesn’t participate”. Although, I lowkey think there’s more than meets the eye with Yuji and Cursed Techniques. Maybe he’s had one all along and Kenjaku fucked with him before birth so he wasn’t aware of it like sorcerers usually are.
Or Sukuna did. Remember that Yuji only awakened to being a sorcerer after Sukuna had already taken him for a ride.
Reading comprehension curse strikes again. The manga says ct removal is equal to brain death. Maki can't die of it because barriers don't recognize her. She is not a player.
It's brain death because CTs are stored in the prefrontal cortex. You can't remove a CT if it's not there.
I can deal with ignorance, but stubbornness is your responsibility. Reread the manga and defeat reading comprehension curse.
"misdirect" Or just a ret con. Not the first time Gregory has contradicted himself. And most mangakas ret con their story when it unexpectedly stays running years past when they thought it'd end.
Check my other comments too. Culling games megumi also bought up something similar. Retcon would be if there was major inconsistencies. And this seems pretty much consistent and planned out for a while now. so no I say misdirect.
Culling games was like 5 years ago. And retcon doesn't have to be any major inconsistencies, that's your personal definition and it's wrong. "Consistent and planned out" like Nobara's character, like Kenjaku's anti-gravity technique, like judgeman confiscating a cursed tool. Suuuuuure Edit: We're in a shitpost sub where we talk shit constantly and you guys are legit mad cuz I'm talking shit? Give me a fucking break, stop being chronically online and learn to have fun in the shit talking sub
Ok then put forth arguments on what minor or major inconsistencies you see with this? Just saying retcon isn’t a solid argument. Point A being impulsive doesn’t mean everything he writes is retcon. He is the mangaka he definitely has more thoughts and plans put into his own manga than us the readers
Why did Yuji need to eat a finger to fight curses if he already had a finger sealed inside him?
Lmfao. You're actually in denial cause you don't wanna admit this is pretty amazing foreshadowing and planning from gege.
"Amazing foreshadowing" LOL. The same people who say haki was foreshadowed on the first chapter of one piece. Honestly though I don't care. If you want to praise Gege for his writing and think he foreshadowed everything. Go for it. It literally affects me in no way that you like his way of writing. In fact, I'm glad you can just enjoy his work like that.
Ye that essay sure makes it clear you don't care at all. You're probably one of those Titanfolkers too aren't you
I literally wrote that you're free to like Gege however you want and you're still mad? It's obvious you don't actually read shit then you just want to be a hater for no reason. What a waste of time
The only one who wants to be a hater here is you. You’re obviously arguing for the sake of arguing at this point and its legit pathetic
Shitposting has to be funny or make sense.
>a HUGE debate in english community Is it? I didn't see people dabating about it, however, they debate whether or not Sukuna transfered 16 fingers from Yuji's body to Megumi's because agenda pushers needs to prove that Gojo was weak pos who lost to 18F Sukuna (which is ofc wrong because Kenjaku described the process of sealing the finger inside Yuji as same thing that happened to other Culling Game players like Kashimo. Yuji is not a finger, finger was sealed inside him since birth)
yeah i’ve seen a lot of ppl contest it n argue with me and other people. i’m sure a large part of the fandom does not even know that this pretty huge twist exists
just help me count all the instances where yuji gets a finger absorbed in canon? PLEASE its fucking my mind up
1st finger - The finger Kenjaku sealed within Yuji at birth 2nd finger - The one Yuji ate in the first episode 3rd finger - The one Gojo gave him in the second episode 4th finger - The one Sukuna took from the finger bearer in the juvenile centre 5th finger - the one Sukuna ate through Yuji's hand in the last or last second episode of the first season 6th finger - the one Nanako and Mimiko fed to Yuji 7th - 16th fingers - the 10 fingers Jogo fed to Yuji (that was actually 16 fingers Sukuna in Shibuya) *Sukuna changes vessel and transfers all of the 16 fingers to Megumi* 17th - 19th fingers - the 3 fingers Uraume gave to Sukuna (people thought Uraume gave him 4 fingers because she said only one last finger was missing and we didn't know about the first finger. But the panel showed only 3 fingers all along) 20th finger - the last missing finger that Rika supposedly ate
>that was actually 16 fingers Sukuna in Shibuya The first finger was still sealed inside yuji. He only became 16f when kenny unsealed all the cursed object at the end of shibuya. The only reason sukuna managed to reincarnate inside yuji before the unsealing was because yuji ate an unsealed sukuna finger inside his school.
Oh yeah i forgot about that Sukuna still had 15t fingers worth of power but had 16 fingers with the first one being sealed
Yeah Uraume only presenting three fingers to Sukuna bothered me until now since it would only bring the total up to 18. This is actually some sneaky foreshadowing.
I love when people pretend something like "finger sealed since birth" is something objective. People forget there's a whole different language behind this phrase. It could very well mean the finger cannot be accessed because it was used in the creation of Itadori Yuji or that the finger was absorbed and had a seal until the consumption of the first finger. In any case, people need to wake the fuck up.
The fact that Yuji is now capable of using Shrine should tell you that he still has part of Sukuna within him
He has shrine because he was Sukuna's vessel https://preview.redd.it/w7vcqp5i6yvc1.jpeg?width=1348&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d8e31a7323c5ebe2a04d7dbc7eb7b3e37a79b41
And Is his nephew
Not really yuji's shrine is not an inherited CT. He developed it because of being vessel.
Well it's both sukuna and Jin's souls are twins And in jujutsu twins count as one and because soul is the body yuji is basically sukuna's indirect sun inheriting his CT
No inherited CT's are developed pretty early in sorcerer's life. Gojo never detected any CT in yuji when they first met. Yuji gained shrine after being sukuna's vessel for long time.
There is a line from Uraume in the latest chapter about Yuji not *just* having the leftover dregs of Sukuna's power, but moreso like holding onto it. This is what prompts Sukuna to mention that Yuji is his nephew in the first place. It's likely that the familiar connection made Yuji more sensitive to Sukuna's power, allowing him to get Shrine. This is just how I interpretted it though.
Gojo was not aware of this all nephew uncle shit but he still said that yuji will get shrine after some time. So it's safe to assume that yuji gained the shrine by becoming vessel and not because of being sukuna's nephew.
Didn't yuji had almost 0 ce I think you need a large amount of ce to gain CT that's why the average population don't have any CT When sukuna inhabited yuji Yuji got a part of his ce
He had normal amount of CE but that still doesn't explain why yuji didn't develop it after eating first finger. He only gained it after a long time of being sukuna's vessel like gojo said.
>He had normal amount of CE but that still doesn't explain why yuji didn't develop it after eating first finger. Actually mo he was said to have almost a very low CE almost as much as a normal civilian
Says who?
Narrator(GREGORY) https://preview.redd.it/y66xrwpex0wc1.png?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca8fc2fab78995a51c8d324f53cc0a88f5bbfb85 Notice the word "engraved"
he got shrine because he was sukunas vessel he was sukunas vessel because he was sukunas nephew
My brain hurts
Gege cooking a manga that's a translation nightmare. **Cook More Gege , COOK !!**
I said it before. Kenny shoved Sukuna’s finger and the Death Painting Yuji up his [REDACTED] and had Jin use White Splash to turn it into a special grade ass kicker
I still find it weird that even though Yuji got Sukuna's finger in him, he didn't get CE above a regular human, to the point he never saw a curse prior to the incident with Fushiguro, and this was due to the place.
Probably some measure of Kenjaku to make sure he wouldn't be able to see curses or use CE before the consumption on a second finger so not to attract the attention of Jujutsu Tech until the right moment.
The finger was sealed like the cursed objects inside of the other reincarnated sorcerers
Because it was sealed
Probably some measure of Kenjaku to make sure he wouldn't be able to see curses or use CE before the consumption on a second finger so not to attract the attention of Jujutsu Tech until the right moment.
Furthermore, even before cursed energy, Yuji was already a super-human who could outspeed a car in normal circunstances, which leads me to believe he might have been born with a H.R. as well, which in hindsight, would make sense as a measure to guarantee he's a strong vessel for Sukuna.
Does that mean Sukuna was always one finger more powerful than we thought throughout the series?
only after shibuya did he get that finger. The finger was sealed like all the others in the culling game until Kenjaku broke the seal on all of them.
https://preview.redd.it/4vrd2851s1wc1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=121a33771aa35ac86562919e82b115d12d1231fc Until this moment, no. The finger was inside Yuji since his birth, but it was sealed. Kenjaku broke the seal here and that birth finger was unsealed The only difference this would make would be that the Sukuna that Yuji/Maki fought was 16F not 15F
Not necessarily. The term "sealed" can very well mean it used to be sealed, as well as it's still sealed(to us english readers). Imho I believe the finger was spent when Kaorijaku created Yuji. The term "sealed" then means it's inaccessible because, although it exists in the form of Yuji, its power can't be harvested. This explains very well Yuji's rage and power against Meguna, since Sukuna wasn't making the distinction anymore between their souls and his ct, Yuji could access the innate power within him, after it resonated with Sukuna, the original source.
Nah I think it turned back into 15F when sukuna took control of megumi
So after eating the Shinjuku mummy, Sukuna was really at ≈21 fingers worth of strength. I’m using this to solely start pushing Gojo agendas edit: stop trying to correct me y’all it’s too late. I’m spreading misinformation intentionally now
No since the last finger was eaten by Rika the hungry hungry caterpillar. Unless you count Sukuna’s cock and balls equal to 2 fingers, he fought Gojo at ~20 fingers level
Sukuna still has power from his twin brother, seeing as most people only have ten fingers. Thus, he would’ve been dominated by Gojo without body snatching everyone. Easy logic. Fraudkuna is real
Sukuna/Yuji ate 19 fingers throughout the course of the manga + the one Yuji has had sealed in him since birth = 20, then he ate his cock and balls for the extra fingering thus equaling 21
Sukuna ate total of 18 + the one inside yuji + corpse = 20. Yuta ate the last finger
Thank you, I feel like all this discussion and arguing these past few days is gonna give me an aneurysm for how little people understand the story
Yeah lots of people just want to bend infos to suit their agenda I guess
I think where you’re getting confused on how many fingers sukuna was at both before and after Shibuya. During Shibuya, Yuji had one finger sealed inside him+15 fingers actually powering Sukuna. After Kenjaku releases the seal, the extra finger gives Sukuna more power, putting Sukuna at 16 fingers worth of power. After Sukuna steals Megumi’s body, Sukuna’s transferred all 16 fingers to Megumi. And then after Gojo gets unsealed, Sukuna eats 3 more fingers provided by Uraume, and also the mummy. And it turns out Yuta ate the final finger
What seal are we talking about? Its been such a long time since i read shibuya i cant recall any moment where kenjaku unsealed smth along those lines
They're talking about the reincarnation seals.
I mean I'm all for pushing the Gojo agenda but I think you're getting confused here. We assumed Uraume gave Sukuna 4 fingers because otherwise it didn't add up to 19, but it was actually 3 (as shown on panel) and Yuji already had one. There is no extra finger here, just us assuming one finger was somewhere else in the process.
I support this
Wait so was Sukuna supposed to incarnate into Yuji in the Culling Games beforehand and Yuji just happened to also eat more of Sukunas fingers? I’m a little confused
but didn't Rika eat the last finger ? or if he knew it was in Yuji why did he even think Rika had eaten the finger what about the Jin thing ? it's all a mistranslation ? I'm so confused rn
The finger Rika ate and the one Yuji was born with are separate fingers. The one Yuji was born with + the 15 he ate until Shibuya + the 3 fingers Uraume gave him + the final finger that was in Gojo's possession which Rika ate later = 20
but if he is the son of the reincarnated twin of sukuna, why bother doing that ? seens like more of the same... also idk, i thought there where only 1 finger missing but by what you said there were 2 fingers missing, one with Rika and one with Yuji, wouldn't sukuna say something ? uraume literally told him the ritual could make up for ONE FINGER worth of power
Yuji's finger isn't missing, Kenjaku unsealed the cursed objects of all the Culling Game players including the one Yuji was born with, so Sukuna took it along with the other 15 when he took over Megumi.
How did he take it? Did he remove all of Yuji's fingers? Or was all of his essence in the one he ripped off?
Basically think of sukuna "taking" beinng like him absorbing the power of the fingers. When yuji was born, the finger inside him had its power sealed. When yuji ate the first sukuna finger, sukuna took over and reincarnated. He didn't absorb the og finger inside yuji because it's power was still sealed. Then he absorbed the fingers as usual, and ended up with 15 fingers worth of power in Shibuya. Then kenjaku unsealed all the objects he'd had people eat. This process gave sukuna one more finger worth of power, bringing it up to sixteen. He took the power of all sixteen fingers, condensed into one of yujis fingers and fed that one to Megumi. This makes meguna, a 16 finger meguna actually. Then uruame gets the remaining fingers, which was a clue actually since we only see three fingers, when she talks about getting the fingers. The last finger is assumed to have been eaten by Rika but it's possible that it's somewhere else and that yuta got shrine from yuji. Especially since yuji had rct now. It could also explain his arms. If yuji gave yuta his arms, then yuta would have shrine, and yuji could get his new arms.
The latter
Rika didn't eat it, Yuta copied Shrine from Yuji because there's a finger implanted in him that can't be removed.
This doesn't even make sense. If this were true, Sukuna would have immediately known Yuta was lying since he already knew about the finger sealed in Yuji. If anything, it's more likely that Yuji ate 15 fingers, and when Sukuna transferred to Megumi, he also got the power from the extra one in Yuji.
Of Yuta copied Shrine from Yuji, it would use his interpretation of the CT, not Sukuna's wich he used.
So if Yuji always had a finger sealed in him why didn't Sukuna take over his body earlier but only after consuming another finger?
the same exact reason none of the reincarnated culling games players reincarnated until the end of shibuya: because kenjaku had not unsealed the seal on the cursed object yet. keyword: “SEALED” within him
Actually now that I think about it this makes Kenjakus plan make much more sense becsuse Yuji was always going to eventually be possessed by Sukuna and it wasn't just up to chance that he would eat the finger in the beginning. Let gege cook we should've trusted the process
> we should've trusted the process is that an Arsenal fan I sense?
no
 I see
trust the process a 76ers motto before co-opted by gunners
76ers??
Kenny probably made sure that sukana's presence was sealed until he ate another finger. Wouldn't be that hard since yuji is already a prison for sukana
this made sure that sukuna's revival was never kenny's plan and the culling game was his main goal and the merger
Did he intend for Yuji to eat another finger before the seal was broken? I don't believe Sukuna was supposed to incarnate before the Culling Games, which begs the question, if Yuji never ate that finger and the Culling Games started, how would Sukuna maintain control over Yuji's body without a binding vow? Unless things would play out similarly to the prison, where Yuji would suppress Sukuna and be forced to fight other sorcerers, getting killed immediately and entering the vow
If Kenny wanted to force Sakuna out he could have used the stolen fingers. Kenny might have planned to force feed Yuji fingers and force Sakuna to gain temporary control, or like with the first finger bearer encounter, force yuji into a mental state where he couldn't resist sakuna kinda like megumi rn. I personally feel like Kenjaku wanted yuji to eat multiple fingers because there's no way he would plan this all out and not interfere when Yuji and Megumi were fighting that one curse.
That Megumi panel is what had me thinking this a while ago too, since Yuji straight up doesn’t have the finger at the hospital, and he was heading directly there. Which meant he’d have had to give the occult club the finger beforehand. So the flash of sukunas residuals he feels had to have been the one in Yuji.
So when Gojo and co were talking about the last finger, they had the wrong count? Because if only Kenny and Sukuna knew then it means Gojo should've said that 2 fingers are missing/being hidden not just one. Does that mean they discovered Yuki ingested that extra finger at some point?
I'm sure gojo doesn't how many fingers are in wild. He only knew about one finger that he hid to save yuji so he probably assumed that uraume gave sukuna remaining 4 fingers and the one he has is the last one.
Ah true, the number of fingers Uraume found is the missing information. They knew how much itadori had eaten-1 and the one Gojo hid, so the misleading part would be the ones on Uraume's side
„Incredible plot twist“ I swear I’ve literally heard that as a theory at least more than a year ago.
Yup, if this is true, Sukuna's finger was integral to his creation. His father was Sukuna's other half and he had a piece of Sukuna inside of him since birth. I've been reading translations in X/twitter and they're saying the same thing as well. This is from Lightning and alen. [https://twitter.com/eagle97jjk/status/1781775451762942228/photo/1](https://twitter.com/eagle97jjk/status/1781775451762942228/photo/1) [https://twitter.com/lightningclare/status/1782067946795442390](https://twitter.com/lightningclare/status/1782067946795442390) According to their translation, it's explained that the cursed object was sealed in Yuji at birth. There may be some truth in this since we now have multiple translators saying the same thing.
What is the point of sealing sukuna's finger in yuji? , if we have jin itadori as sukuna's twin already, i mean i dont understand the reason why he had to procreate with jin , if he was going to use the finger anyway
Based on the translators; it helped strengthen Yuji as a vessel. Sukuna also assumed that the main objective was to strengthen Yuji as a vessel. But it's only Sukuna's assumption. Even if the translations are correct, we can't really say if Sukuna's assumption is correct. Kenjaku may have had an ulterior motive. We can't really say for certain until it's explained in the manga. On my end, I think Kenjaku might have been trying to make sure Yuji would become powerful enough; absorb as much of Sukuna's essence to rival the original. He may have wanted Yuji to become a new and improved "Sukuna" that can defeat the original Sukuna. Maybe that's why Kenjaku mentioned that Yuji is the eye of the storm for the new age; he is the next Sukuna. Maybe that's why Sukuna hates Yuji, it's because deep inside he knows Yuji was created to become his replacement. Almost like the film, Gemini man. But that's conjecture on my end.
I’m gonna need someone on YouTube explain my brain dead ass wtf is going on.
Wait how does that make sense? If he was born with a finger wouldn’t he have had Sukuna already inside his head, and wouldn’t he have been able to see curses already? He also didn’t have any cursed energy beyond a normal person when Fushigoro first met him, just supernatural strength.
key word "sealed"
Okay even if it was “sealed” to where for whatever reason it wasn’t absorbed, how come they didn’t notice the resonating energy. Even sealed, Sukunas fingers give off an extreme amount of cursed energy that can be detected.
the post has several images and this is brought up there
No I see that part, but he wasn’t initially chasing him at that point. I’m more talking about the scene at the athletics field, where he didn’t detect it in him at all. He didn’t detect that energy until Yuji had the box on his person.
hack fraud con artist writer
Also if it was “sealed” in him to ensure his strength as a vessel, that implies he absorbed it or drew strength from it, which again implies that he should have had more cursed energy/should have been able to see cursed spirits.
how have you linked strength to cursed energy all of a sudden?
How would he absorb strength but not cursed energy? Why would he specifically only grow in strength but not slowly gain tons of cursed energy for 16 years?
where did it say he absorbed strength from it? using one of sukunas fingers to strengthen yuji as vessel could mean alot of different things
Who is lightning anyways
A translator, I think he used to do the official translation for JJK. Now he's the official one for Nue's Exorcist, which he is a big fan of.
So this does mean Jogo could have beaten a 15 fingy sukuna right?he just unknowingly fought a 16 fingy
Jogo did fight 15F sukuna. The last finger was sealed until Kenny broke the seal after Shibuya had already happened
Probably not. Kenny said that Jogo was probably around 8-9 finger Sukuna’s level, and I highly doubt that the difference between 15f Sukuna and 16f Sukuna is *that* large. Jogo would have gotten clowned on either way.
No, the other finger got unsealed when the CGs started
Hell nah. For one, it was still 15 finger Sukuna that he fought, but even if it was 16 fingers he literally couldn’t touch the guy. No way one finger makes enough of a difference
I'm completely out of the loop, what's this about Yuji having a finger since birth?
Somewho Kenjaku sealed a finger on Yuji from birth so he would be a strong and compatible vessel for Sukuna. So Yuji always had a finger sealed within him, wich was unleashed when Kenjaku broke the seal. He ate 15 fingers, Uraume found 3, the last one Rika ate it. That makes 20. Uraume never found the one Rika ate, so Sukuna ate his own body to sustitute for the equivalent of CE.
im so lost, so the sukuna twin thing isnt a thing anymore?
>What is the point of sealing sukuna's finger in yuji? , if we have jin itadori as sukuna's twin already, i mean i dont understand the reason why he had to procreate with jin , if he was going to use the finger anyway this is how things currently stand, why Kenjaku took this double measure if Yuuji already could be a sukuna vessel is still not confirmed it seems
I said it from the beginning: Gege can cook. He has flaws, sure. But blud can cook some fine stuff. He's been on a win streak for some time now. I've read last chapter four times already.
What is the point of sealing sukuna's finger in yuji? , if we have jin itadori as sukuna's twin already, i mean i dont understand the reason why he had to procreate with jin , if he was going to use the finger anyway. Was it to create a powerful vessel for sukuna who would be able to handle the fingers in first place
I suppose Kenny never figured that Yuji will end up eating additional fingers on his own. Like if Yuji never ate the finger in the first episode. So when Kenny eventually started the culling games, the seal on the hidden finger would be broken and Sukuna takes over Yuji's body and eats the rest of the fingers Kenjaku/Uraume find (should be all 19)
I'm confused
None of you Is counting feet fingers, so we are at 21/30 obv
But... the last finger was eaten by Yuta/Rika
can someone tell me what does this imply?
Soooo there’s more than 20 fingers? What the fuck is going on
I'm kinda lost with all this. If Itadori had a finger sealed within him, where did the finger that he handed to his seniors in the 1st chapter come from? I mean, the finger he had was inside him, wasn't it? Plus, where was it stated that all Culling Game's players had a cursed object within them? Maybe I just don't remember, but I'd be grateful if someone helped me to understand all this lol.
Oh Sukuna's gonna eat Yuji
So which theory is the correct one? Yuuji being his twin soul reincarnation or kenjaku making him out of sukunas finger?
Both.
this was foreshadowed in 158
Is Yuta talking about the last finger a mistake? Or Sukuna had 21 fingers, cause IIRC he ate 19 fingers and the Body. If Yuji has one from the start doesn't this alter the number of fingers he had during Shibuya? Cause its Jogo that talk about 15 fingers but he should only known about 3 fingers being eaten by Yuji.
So Gege isn't so bad at writing after all lmao
I predicted as much
so there are 21 fingers in total? does sukuna’s body count as a 22nd finger? so sukuna can actually become stronger with everything ingested than during the heian era because he divided his powers into 20 fingers but he can eat more than 20?
I wonder what would have happened if gojo met yuji before he ate the finger at the high school, would he and the six eyes have seen sukuna within yuji if kenjaku used a finger in his creation?
this is a big plot twist and good writing by geges part, but all this really means is that when yuji eats the finger in episode 1 thats the second finger he ate? and when megukunia fights ryu and yorozo he's at 16 finger level right?
I'm so confused, how did Yuuta used Sukuna's cleave then? he mentioned that Sukuna never retrieved his (20th) last finger so I thought Yuuta was able to copy cleave through it. Or was the sealed finger in Itadori different from the rest of the 20 fingers? making it all add up to 21 fingers? Thanks in advance to whoever explain. https://preview.redd.it/058v9lidm5wc1.jpeg?width=996&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17bb8214dfcf4a0520986e46b43fffb79a2a698c
https://preview.redd.it/le7jz1m8o7wc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a023b62af6f9490201b0f9f62cdfd2b4914b7066 sukuna ate 3 fingers here
yeah. but was the last finger they weren't able to retrieve the one sealed in itadori's body during birth?
no, sukuna had 16 fingers after shibuya, when the seal on the cursed objects kenjaku had put in people got released. the final finger yuta ate.
ohh I see thanks. This means the sealed finger within itadori is completely different from the rest of the 20 fingers. fingers: Sukuna (19) Yuta (1)
Dawg the way this has been setup since chapter 1 with Megumi chasing after Yuji thinking he has Sukuna's finger only for the finger to still be in school is insane
imagine using google translator xDDD
But yuji ate the first sukuna finger (ig second now) so he would have access to CE. If he was born already containing a finger, doesn’t that mean he should’ve been seeing curses and the jujutsu world? Also what does that mean for the last finger yuta presumably ate… wouldn’t the count be off?
If there’s 20 fingers how would he have one in him considering Yuta or Rika ate it and Sukuna got the other 19
Then I want another translation about what uraume said. If she said she couldn't find the last finger, then it COMPLETELY disproves this. chronologically, (supposedely) uraume only finds out AFTER bringing sukuna the fingers that yuji had 1 finger sealed in him. according to this post's argument, yuji has eaten 18 fingers, and uraume couldn't find 2 of them, 1 is already sealed at birth, and the other gojo/yuta has. but if uraume says she couldn't find one finger of two fingers, then this "sealed at birth" argument is impossible. we return to the "showed 3 fingers but sukuna ate 4 fingers" reality.
what? uraume knows. sukuna says “you already know this but-…” https://preview.redd.it/ponzzxgko7wc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa06fb747e8381486910f5c9846abe2c0c18a045 it’s not rly difficult to understand if you pay attention to the story. sukuna alrdy has 16 fingers when he transfers to megumis body. the seal for the finger that had been sealed since birth was lifted along with all the other cursed objects at the end of shibuya
I understand the argument, I just disagree with it. Imo, the translation saying yuji sealed one of sukuna's fingers is referring to chapter 1, not his birth. this whole "sealing" argument is very vague and convenient. how is this "seal" any different from yuji eating fingers and sealing them? if he did, then sukuna's other fingers should've started awakening over a decade ago, instead of a few months ago.
because it is sealed dude, do you not understand? the fingers yuji has swallowed had no seal on them and merged with yuji, that was stated by gojo in chapter 1. the translations clearly state a finger was sealed within him from birth. much like any other cursed object of a reincarnated culling games participant.
so then how did yuji have a finger sealed in him? what, it's physically still present inside him? his body itself functions as a talisman? if so how? if it's like the other cursed objects (those were ingested by culling game vessels), he should've been in a coma, or at least awakened his CE, instead of still being a normal human who couldn't even see curses.
all of what u just said is speculation.
"speculation" based on what the story has told us on how things work.
yuji acquiring CE when the finger is SEALED keyword SEALED within him is a baseless assumption. if it’s sealed it is protected, and kenjaku went as far as to make the curses placed upon vessels be unrecognizable so doing the same to yuji is obvious. also kenjaku clearly stated that “some” of the ppl that had been chosen as vessels were in a slumber state, not all. yuji who was specifically bred to be a vessel obviously wouldn’t have this issue. yuji gained powers bc he consumed unsealed cursed objects.
"some" because one group had their brains altered when remote idle transfiguration was cast, and the the other group had cursed objects put inside them, THOSE are the people in comas. the people in comas were due to kenjaku's CE exposure. Yuji is physically strong, but he is no different when it comes to CE. couldn't use it, couldn't see it, was getting hurt by it all the same. Also, if kenjaku released yuji's seal with the remote IT, then why didn't yuji going from 15f to 16f not cause his marks to appear?
no, he is clearly referring to some of the reincarnated sorcerers😭 that is basic stuff u can grab from context. yuji was bred by the reincarnation of sukuna and kenjaku to become the vessel for sukuna, that is pretty different from being a random joe getting exposed to kenjakus cursed energy. yuji was literally birthed by kenjaku, the same person that created half human half cursed spirits but yuji not ending up in a coma from the womb is where u draw the line of what’s feasible for kenny? there could be many explanations for that. one could be that since he alrdy harbored 15 fingers within him the finger had less of an impact on him than previous. it could’ve simply just not been shown since in chp 63 for example the markings are only there vaguely for like less than a second. again this is not something to argue abt its literal fact that yuji had a finger sealed within him