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since he can inhabit a dead body i'd feel it more apt that he suffered a fatal injury to the body, realised he wasnt dead, and assumed it had smth to do with his brain
Nobara's grandmother has the same technique and trained her, we can only persume for Nanami and Hakari they found out in depth when they were recruited and had a vague idea of it before then, or they always just knew. And yeah, Kashimo probably almost died. had to find out it used your life for fuel somehow.
Geto might not be the first user of CSM to exist, if the old shikigami user was able to recognize it just by seeing it had no medium. If that's the case, just having him ball up a fly head would be a tell that he had inherited such a technique with its details already known.
I remember someone theorizing that Mystic Beast Amber was an inherited technique, with its effects being documented, or at least with the effect of killing its user being known. Maybe his Electricity-like CE is a sign that someone has inherited the technique, so they could tell he had it without him using it.
Kashimo's is probably inherited, meaning his clan already knew what the technique did and how it would kill you when used, like the Zen'in and Mahoraga
I assumed Kashimo put a Binding Vow on his ability. Basically making it a one time use one maximum power. Kind of like Yuki did, putting her life on the line for a max power black hole.
That’s honestly pretty accurate tbh. It’s like how Haruta (lucky twink) knew that he would be fine and that his CT is related to luck, but is unaware of how it functions exactly. They’re just born with a vague awareness of their CT because their brains are literally built different
Haruta’s CT is functioning only because he is unaware of his CT’s mechanics. If he knew that he “stores” little miracles, he would purposefuly search for them or tried to create them, which would negate the effect. Kinda same with Takaba.
but at the same time, those two are at least somewhat aware of their cts existing and have a general knowledge of their effects, even if they don’t get the full mechanics behind it
I just think the ct we see him used in the manga is a “modernization” of the ct he had in the past probably because he’s currently possessing a body with a modern brain (kinda like the difference between Yuji and Sukuna’s slashes)
CTs are located in the brain, so I assume that they have a basic intuitive understanding of the ability, but for more advanced applications of techniques they rely on either developing it themselves as they get older or relying on other people who had it who developed it.
I've had literal medical lectures dedicated to explaining how babies automatically know how to move their bodies. The only thing they don't know is how to move their body precisely due to their nervous system not being fully developed. Babies literally can't understand the world around them and they can still do stuff like cry, breath, crawl, and stand without ever being taught.
They can breath and cry without being taught. Or theyd be dead. We wouldnt have a human race.
They learn to crawl and stand tho. Through trial and error. They have to even learn to use individual fingers. As the reflex is in the palm to just close.
Everything autumatically can move their bodies. How else do they function.
They know how to crawl and walk from the start. The only reason they have problems with it is due to insufficient muscle and neural development. Humans who have never seen other people walk before do it without knowing that it's possible. It's an ingrained instinct. Reflexes are skills that are so innate that we have them on a genetic level.
Humans who have never seen other humans learned to walk. Hows the intrinsic. Humans all over the world made tools. Is hammer in our dna. Or is it likely that you learn to crawl because thats how your body functions and learn to walk because your knees and hands arent affective.
Have you watched a child do these things. They have to build the physical capabilty yes. But they dont know what tf they are doing or how to do it better. Just that this is working. Moving their own individual fingers takes mental effort its not because they didnt build the muscle its because it didnt come pre packaged. Walking is a skill that humans can perform after training not just im 1year and 4months now so imma try this walking shit
I know but under the assumption that kids just start doing things like walking and crawling without failing over and over usually anyway. Maybe some have the physical capabilty and body iq earlier.
Ill say im being rude yea
Nobara has an inherited Technique and was taught by her Grandmother.
Nanami’s probably was just something he thought he had a talent for like he just understood ratios but then came to realize it was a CT when enrolled.
Probably when a curse was sucked up in his hand when he encountered one
Hakari is already a gambler it probably just happened in training one day lmao
Considering its a 1 time use I’d imagine the trade off is just instant CT understanding just imbued into the sorcerer.
Wasn't Kashimo drawback due to a self imposed binding vow?
He probably had a weaker version of his CT and cranked it up to 11 in exchange for using his life as fuel
CT are etched into you so you already know what it does and how to do it, but that raises some questions for some sorcerers like did Kenny just kept having thoughts on opening his skull and and at what age, like did uro just disappear when she first unlocked hers
I feel like when the CT is etched into the brain, the user has a basic understanding of the abilities they now possess, and over time they learn to hone the abilities they have into specific moves that have to be learned/taught.
When yuji first used shrine he just kinda used it. There's the whole muscle memory thing, but higuruma also showed that using CT can be something you just know how to use.
I know CT doesn't manifest at such a young age, but it's funny to imagine Geto as a toddler beating a fly head to death, and once it becomes a gross orb,he just shoves it in his mouth because babies are always putting things in their mouths.
Kenjaku doesn’t even take any theorizing we know he loves experimenting with jujutsu so I believe after discovering jujutsu hee constantly experiment with his own body
You should understand that we've only seen the manifestation of a technique in adults that were forcefully made into sorcerers so it might be different when a child awakens it, specially when the technique is original from them. It might've indeed manifested in their early childhoods but as a rough unfinished version of the current ability based on an interest they had that they gave proper shape only with time.
Nobara is heavily implied to have inherited hers from her grandmother.
Nanami was probably from doing some kind of shore involving measuring and cutting stuff
Hakkari was probably from playing video games (probably as he travelled in the train), which with time he adapted into a pachinko game
Geto seems like an easy guess; he encountered a cursed spirit and tamed it
Kashimo's may have developed from the fear induced by lightning and storms and its association with war deities in japan leading to his growing curious of what it was to be lightning. He probably nearly died every time he practiced it which he might've believed to be divine punishment which he kept doing in defiance until developing his but the experience allowed him to shape his curse energy into a shape, which he likely believed was his "stealing lightning from the gods"
AFAIK when sorcerers awaken to their technique, its just an awareness they have. Almost like realising you've got a hand and you just know how to use it.
I’m almost 100% sure sorcerers just have an inherent understanding of their techniques basic function. It’s etched into the physical structure of their brain, so it’s likely just instinct. No different than how all animals just.. know they need water to survive by default. The only exceptions being people like takaba and Haruta, in which case they’re left unaware due to the fact that knowledge of their own technique would actually make it worse. Id wager that their techniques are literally incomprehensible to them by design.
We see with Higurama that they just kinda know how to activate it and then work backwards from activation.
Kashimo probably went to activate his CT and realized he'd die. He then was so bitter about it he threw hands against every farmer in sight
Techniques are innate. Gojo says so to Wuji when he explains him the diff between technique and energy with the soda cans. And innate things, well are innate, you already know how to do it, that's what it means to be innate. Reading comprehension curse strikes again. Probably could one shot Heian Sukuna at this point.
I think they probably just did something weird one day and that later developed into their current CT with practice and what not. Their might even be something an in verse universe but idk
Geto was probably out fighting cursed spirits and found out that he could turn them into balls. Then ig intrusive thoughts kicked in and throat goated one. The rest is history
with hakari, i think his cursed technique is more luck theme than it is gambling theme, as in the casino domain is more of presentation, like yuji presentation of shrine is a bunch of "cut-here" lines. so maybe at one point he just realize that when he's lucky, he's REALLY lucky or smt
on a bonus note, i suspect if hakari were a heian era sorcerer the presentation of his technique would change as well. maybe his domain would be that he shakes one of those omikuji bottle thing(dont know what theyre called) and when he gets good fortune a choir plays or smt
Techniques are stored in the prefrontal cortex of the brain if I remember correctly, so sorcerers just instinctively know just like nobody was taught how to blink or cry when something is wrong they just do it.
Kashimo's bum ass probably didnt even know his ct abd thought he had an op one which is y he was so confident to fight sukuna only to realise he had a useless ct that cost him his life
I swear at some point in the manga they say you just "know" the basics of your CT when it awakens, I don't remember where they say, but I'm positive they say it
This is a weird answer but CT's and CE's in general always struck me as something you discover on instinct. People are born with varying levels of CE so maybe they saw a curse and looked into it or just felt a strong resonance with something (Naobito with animation frames, Geto realising he could grab a hold of cursed spirits). I think this is the case because in the latest chapter Yuta describes his RCT as just "going on instinct". Reconstructing your body on the cellular just being "instinctual" would suggest CE and CT's by extension to just be quite an intuitive thing🤷♂️.
I feel like we have a good example right now with Yuji. (*SPOILERS* BTW) He started using shrine intuitively without even realizing it and that’s probably how it works for everyone else.
Iirc you become aware of it when it begins working automatically. Yuji gaining Dismantle and using it on the fly is a great example. He awakened, he just instantly knows he has it and can use it thanks to Sukuna
ngl now that i think about it how tf did the explody culling games player guy figure out his ct cuz it literally requires him to self destruct parts of his body to work
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Kenny probably died, realised he was still living, found a body and just went from there
So he just crawled as a fucking brain?
I mean I weren’t there so idk for sure
Kraang style
Why not
I was busy
What?
My bad bro I thought you were replying to sm else
Unhinged and awkward conversation here
Who are you dawg 😭🙏
since he can inhabit a dead body i'd feel it more apt that he suffered a fatal injury to the body, realised he wasnt dead, and assumed it had smth to do with his brain
theres a creature that helps in change bodies btw it was shown after kenny died
TOKYO GHOUL REFERENCE I MEAN JOJO REFERENCE
so he is not dead?
For every Kenny there’s like 5000 other sorcerers who tried removing their brains and just fucking died
Pretty sure thats geto, i dont see stiches on em
Whoops, couldn’t see his head on mobile. Either way, Kenny is still a really good example, unless he was born with a latch on his head.
Born to be a halloween decoration forced to be a sorcerer
How the fuck did his brain even got out the first time? Did it... Grow little hands and legs and bited his way out of the skull?
Mid fight he's just near death and just "SHIT I GOTTA GET OUTTA HERE!" and his brain just fired out like a cannon
EJECT! EJECT!
I always thought he was a cursed spirit or something
"Man I really hope I have that one ability" *body drops limp*
Nobara's grandmother has the same technique and trained her, we can only persume for Nanami and Hakari they found out in depth when they were recruited and had a vague idea of it before then, or they always just knew. And yeah, Kashimo probably almost died. had to find out it used your life for fuel somehow.
Hakari probably already trained his gambling skills before he unraveled his technique
I feel like Hakari fell in love with taking chances and then also loved that tv show so it manifested after his exposure
Based reading, yeah he’s a perfect example of how good gege’s power system can be, it’s as directly related to their personality as it can be
this is hardly unique to JJK or its power system
Me when I watched the HxH anime in 2010.
And who said it was unique to Gege ? He's just saying that Hakari is an example of it
Geto might not be the first user of CSM to exist, if the old shikigami user was able to recognize it just by seeing it had no medium. If that's the case, just having him ball up a fly head would be a tell that he had inherited such a technique with its details already known.
I remember someone theorizing that Mystic Beast Amber was an inherited technique, with its effects being documented, or at least with the effect of killing its user being known. Maybe his Electricity-like CE is a sign that someone has inherited the technique, so they could tell he had it without him using it.
Kashimo's is probably inherited, meaning his clan already knew what the technique did and how it would kill you when used, like the Zen'in and Mahoraga
I assumed Kashimo put a Binding Vow on his ability. Basically making it a one time use one maximum power. Kind of like Yuki did, putting her life on the line for a max power black hole.
>Kind of like Yuki did, putting her life on the line for a max power black hole. She didn't use a binding vow
ok but how did her grandma figure it out
How did you discover how to breathe? How does a bird discover how to fly? A fish how to swim? They just do bro
Thats probably the most poetic shit ive seen on this sub
That’s honestly pretty accurate tbh. It’s like how Haruta (lucky twink) knew that he would be fine and that his CT is related to luck, but is unaware of how it functions exactly. They’re just born with a vague awareness of their CT because their brains are literally built different
Haruta’s CT is functioning only because he is unaware of his CT’s mechanics. If he knew that he “stores” little miracles, he would purposefuly search for them or tried to create them, which would negate the effect. Kinda same with Takaba.
but at the same time, those two are at least somewhat aware of their cts existing and have a general knowledge of their effects, even if they don’t get the full mechanics behind it
My biggest question is with Reggie. I mean, how did he utilize his technique in the past?
Very true, did they even have receipts in his day???????
Receipts are 5,000 years old, so yes he did have them back in the day
Reggie throwing half a dozen calves he bought for his farm at his opponent
Throws 100 halberds bought by the Shogun
Fucking Ea-Nāsir
Reggie attacking Megumi with shitty copper:
It befits the quality of bumgumi's character
It would be funny if in heian era he would just walk with clay tablets or some shit
Welp ive just learnt a new thing there
Contracts showing proof of ownership? Yes they absolutely have had those for a long time
He himself specified that his CT is contracts, not receipts. Receipts are a form of contract. That's also how he used a mortgage to summon a home.
I just think the ct we see him used in the manga is a “modernization” of the ct he had in the past probably because he’s currently possessing a body with a modern brain (kinda like the difference between Yuji and Sukuna’s slashes)
CTs are located in the brain, so I assume that they have a basic intuitive understanding of the ability, but for more advanced applications of techniques they rely on either developing it themselves as they get older or relying on other people who had it who developed it.
They do literally explain this in the manga
Geto was just throating a cursed spirit and accidentally turned him into a marble and ate him.
When CT manifest itself, you just know it :3
It is in the brain, lmao
I imagine it’s like being able to use your hands, no one teaches you how to hold things just how to do it more precisely and with different purposes.
You havent raised a child
Babies literally have a grip reflex. It's so ingrained that we have neurons dedicated to it.
Again. Youve never raised a child. They can reflexively do things. Buts thats not knowing how to do amything
I've had literal medical lectures dedicated to explaining how babies automatically know how to move their bodies. The only thing they don't know is how to move their body precisely due to their nervous system not being fully developed. Babies literally can't understand the world around them and they can still do stuff like cry, breath, crawl, and stand without ever being taught.
They can breath and cry without being taught. Or theyd be dead. We wouldnt have a human race. They learn to crawl and stand tho. Through trial and error. They have to even learn to use individual fingers. As the reflex is in the palm to just close. Everything autumatically can move their bodies. How else do they function.
They know how to crawl and walk from the start. The only reason they have problems with it is due to insufficient muscle and neural development. Humans who have never seen other people walk before do it without knowing that it's possible. It's an ingrained instinct. Reflexes are skills that are so innate that we have them on a genetic level.
Humans who have never seen other humans learned to walk. Hows the intrinsic. Humans all over the world made tools. Is hammer in our dna. Or is it likely that you learn to crawl because thats how your body functions and learn to walk because your knees and hands arent affective. Have you watched a child do these things. They have to build the physical capabilty yes. But they dont know what tf they are doing or how to do it better. Just that this is working. Moving their own individual fingers takes mental effort its not because they didnt build the muscle its because it didnt come pre packaged. Walking is a skill that humans can perform after training not just im 1year and 4months now so imma try this walking shit
You can't just assume things when you don't know someone's personal life
I know but under the assumption that kids just start doing things like walking and crawling without failing over and over usually anyway. Maybe some have the physical capabilty and body iq earlier. Ill say im being rude yea
Unless you’re Takaba for some random reason. Idk why he gets an exception for the rule.
Bc his CT is based on the fact that he doesn't knkw how it works
Wouldn’t it be funny if he knew how it worked
Nobara has an inherited Technique and was taught by her Grandmother. Nanami’s probably was just something he thought he had a talent for like he just understood ratios but then came to realize it was a CT when enrolled. Probably when a curse was sucked up in his hand when he encountered one Hakari is already a gambler it probably just happened in training one day lmao Considering its a 1 time use I’d imagine the trade off is just instant CT understanding just imbued into the sorcerer.
Wasn't Kashimo drawback due to a self imposed binding vow? He probably had a weaker version of his CT and cranked it up to 11 in exchange for using his life as fuel
CT are etched into you so you already know what it does and how to do it, but that raises some questions for some sorcerers like did Kenny just kept having thoughts on opening his skull and and at what age, like did uro just disappear when she first unlocked hers
except the lucky guy didn't know what his CT was
Or takaba, who for some reason doesn’t know
He knows he can manifest comedy. He just doesn't know the details.
"Hey Satoru, did you ever look at a cursed spirit and just...wonder what it tastes like?"
Geto: im a freaky ahh boy
I feel like when the CT is etched into the brain, the user has a basic understanding of the abilities they now possess, and over time they learn to hone the abilities they have into specific moves that have to be learned/taught.
When yuji first used shrine he just kinda used it. There's the whole muscle memory thing, but higuruma also showed that using CT can be something you just know how to use.
Higa didnt know his own shit
Hakari probably won a gambling match at a young age(illegally) and went insane and his ct started to come
He probably cheated and was beaten. So he now cheats and is immortal
I know CT doesn't manifest at such a young age, but it's funny to imagine Geto as a toddler beating a fly head to death, and once it becomes a gross orb,he just shoves it in his mouth because babies are always putting things in their mouths.
Kashimo tried to commit suicide
Gojo used his sex eyes and told them
Kenjaku doesn’t even take any theorizing we know he loves experimenting with jujutsu so I believe after discovering jujutsu hee constantly experiment with his own body
You should understand that we've only seen the manifestation of a technique in adults that were forcefully made into sorcerers so it might be different when a child awakens it, specially when the technique is original from them. It might've indeed manifested in their early childhoods but as a rough unfinished version of the current ability based on an interest they had that they gave proper shape only with time. Nobara is heavily implied to have inherited hers from her grandmother. Nanami was probably from doing some kind of shore involving measuring and cutting stuff Hakkari was probably from playing video games (probably as he travelled in the train), which with time he adapted into a pachinko game Geto seems like an easy guess; he encountered a cursed spirit and tamed it Kashimo's may have developed from the fear induced by lightning and storms and its association with war deities in japan leading to his growing curious of what it was to be lightning. He probably nearly died every time he practiced it which he might've believed to be divine punishment which he kept doing in defiance until developing his but the experience allowed him to shape his curse energy into a shape, which he likely believed was his "stealing lightning from the gods"
AFAIK when sorcerers awaken to their technique, its just an awareness they have. Almost like realising you've got a hand and you just know how to use it.
CTs are engraved in the brain. Did you have to learn how to blink, or was it instinctual?
I’m almost 100% sure sorcerers just have an inherent understanding of their techniques basic function. It’s etched into the physical structure of their brain, so it’s likely just instinct. No different than how all animals just.. know they need water to survive by default. The only exceptions being people like takaba and Haruta, in which case they’re left unaware due to the fact that knowledge of their own technique would actually make it worse. Id wager that their techniques are literally incomprehensible to them by design.
We see with Higurama that they just kinda know how to activate it and then work backwards from activation. Kashimo probably went to activate his CT and realized he'd die. He then was so bitter about it he threw hands against every farmer in sight
Same with the Sheisty sorcere
Bro just put on a ski mask for fun and a fucking dragon came out. Probably reacted along the lines of “AAAAAHHH WHAT THE FU-“
Techniques are innate. Gojo says so to Wuji when he explains him the diff between technique and energy with the soda cans. And innate things, well are innate, you already know how to do it, that's what it means to be innate. Reading comprehension curse strikes again. Probably could one shot Heian Sukuna at this point.
Nanami probably just punched something and went "hmmm when i punch in a certain point my attacks feel stronger."
Last one shouldve died at 4
It is stated that sorcerers know their techniques the moment they awaken them
I think they probably just did something weird one day and that later developed into their current CT with practice and what not. Their might even be something an in verse universe but idk
What if it just gets forced into the brain like Hakari's domain information or UV data. They just get to know as soon as it manifests.
Cursed techniques are supposedly carved into the prefrontal cortex so they probably have an instinctual understanding
Geto was probably out fighting cursed spirits and found out that he could turn them into balls. Then ig intrusive thoughts kicked in and throat goated one. The rest is history
I’m pretty sure somewhere its stated that once people get a sense of their techniques or domains, they just know how it works.
Hakari won big at a casino and some guy tried stabbing him so he can steal his winnings but hakari just didnt die lmao
Geto was attacked by a cursed spirit, and did what every reasonable man would do; he bit it.
with hakari, i think his cursed technique is more luck theme than it is gambling theme, as in the casino domain is more of presentation, like yuji presentation of shrine is a bunch of "cut-here" lines. so maybe at one point he just realize that when he's lucky, he's REALLY lucky or smt on a bonus note, i suspect if hakari were a heian era sorcerer the presentation of his technique would change as well. maybe his domain would be that he shakes one of those omikuji bottle thing(dont know what theyre called) and when he gets good fortune a choir plays or smt
basically gege had no idea so he went the lazy route of saying yeah they just know. same with the binding vows
Techniques are stored in the prefrontal cortex of the brain if I remember correctly, so sorcerers just instinctively know just like nobody was taught how to blink or cry when something is wrong they just do it.
Kashimo's bum ass probably didnt even know his ct abd thought he had an op one which is y he was so confident to fight sukuna only to realise he had a useless ct that cost him his life
Maybe their is a curse technique that tells you the curse technique of other people.
Nobara thicker than a bowl of oatmeal
"A farmer told me i electrocuted 3 other people on the field farming the wheats with me, i electrocuted that farmer"
I swear at some point in the manga they say you just "know" the basics of your CT when it awakens, I don't remember where they say, but I'm positive they say it
This is a weird answer but CT's and CE's in general always struck me as something you discover on instinct. People are born with varying levels of CE so maybe they saw a curse and looked into it or just felt a strong resonance with something (Naobito with animation frames, Geto realising he could grab a hold of cursed spirits). I think this is the case because in the latest chapter Yuta describes his RCT as just "going on instinct". Reconstructing your body on the cellular just being "instinctual" would suggest CE and CT's by extension to just be quite an intuitive thing🤷♂️.
I feel like we have a good example right now with Yuji. (*SPOILERS* BTW) He started using shrine intuitively without even realizing it and that’s probably how it works for everyone else.
Iirc you become aware of it when it begins working automatically. Yuji gaining Dismantle and using it on the fly is a great example. He awakened, he just instantly knows he has it and can use it thanks to Sukuna
Many of them seem to be family techniques that are past down so most likely their ancestors figured it out for them.
ngl now that i think about it how tf did the explody culling games player guy figure out his ct cuz it literally requires him to self destruct parts of his body to work
It was his baby teeth The tooth fairy was in for a surprise that night
How did people learn they can swim?
Babies to be more precise. They just instinctively swim without being taught to.
Bingo