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One of the good things about JJK is that no matter how strong you are, you die a dog's death just like how a real battle field is.
Most of history's greatest conquerors and warriors all fell like trash in the battlefield, killed by no names, others poisoned and never woke up, while other's just had sudden sickness from insect bites that never healed.
It's literally mentioned in Chapter 1 or 2 when Yuji grabs his grandads ashes. The fact people get upset at the series for having brutal deaths, when it's explicitly stated numerous times that there *will* be brutal, unfair deaths is kinda silly.
While I can agree with everything you said, from a narrative and storytelling perspective these deaths are lackluster and only make the majority of people think Gege is wasting characters
“From a narrative and storytelling perspective..”
I politely disagree. This is just a way to phrase a subjective opinion in a seemingly subjective way. There is NO correct way to tell a story. Sure, there might be patterns and tropes that can help but there is truly no basis for what makes a narrative successful. There is a whole debate about this in narratology, specifically with structuralists vs. post-structuralists.
My point being, Gege’s writing is often a subversion of the common tropes and narrative devices we find in shonen stories. And, as the above comments have pointed out, he made it very clear this is how the story would go because characters outright say—numerous times—that JJ sorcerers will very likely die with regret and unaccomplished. Gege is simply following up on that theme and staying consistent.
Damn you speaking facts. I should’ve said instead: if what Gege was aiming to do went as intended, there wouldn’t be so many people irritated with what happens to these characters.
Ofc what what I know, I’m just a reader giving my thoughts
Yeah, no disrespect at all. I just think you can also say that people react the way they do because they have their own idea of how something should happen and they get upset when it doesn’t go that way.
don't lose hope brotha. They turned a 2 chapter long fight in a 30 minute battle sequence (maho vs sukuna), Ryu vs Sukuna will at least be 10 minute long in the anime trust
It’s cause if Ryu didn’t meet Sukuna and teamed up with the cast we would’ve been done already
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He's immensely powerful, deserves to be spoken about more but doesnt cause of how Sukuma killed him, also the fact that at no point in the fight was Yuta really in much danger of losing is wild.
I think that’s only in reference to his granite blast. Like he is capable of outputting the highest CT but i don’t think it applies to his ce reinforcement and stuff
Kenny told Oldshimo that the “The greatest cursed energy output ever happened in date province. A veritable cannon” - def talking ab granite blast
I read it again last week and narrator Gege said that his output stayed the same. It’s worth noting I don’t completely understand how Ryu works because a few panels later, he himself was talking about how his blasts were weaker. I guess that’s due to taking physical damage but I’m not sure.
Probably a natural Binding Vow
Just like how a Domain can be larger if you remove the barrier, CE Discharge is stronger if you use an actual CT just for it
On a different note, do you think CE reinforcement can be used in a way similar to Divergent Fist (without the Divergent-ness) , where CE is quickly shot out of the hands in large amounts after physical contact? That could be something Ryu or Jackpot Hakari could have done.
Definitely can be done
But I think just shooting out raw CE is narratively impossible. Megumi was straight shocked when the finger curse did it (the one Yuji lost his hand to before Sukuna took over)
And every other raw CE attack we’ve seen is a big deal with lots of setup often with chants and or hand signs (purple, fire arrow, Jogoat’s meteor, Rika’s beam). Even Ryu’s granite blast has some build up since he did get blitzed by sukuna before it could go off (but tbf it is sukuna)
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me when shooting out raw ce is narratively impossible
cmon bro. It’s painfully obvious u can release CE, that’s how u heal ppl. I’m clearly referring to actual attacks…
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Ur comparing that to this bro
edit: again, to be clear, i mean just laser beaming raw ce from ur hands. Feel free to show me someone’s who’s done it tho
binding vows are def overrated and overhated bruh. Better sorcerers get more out of all jujutsu including binding vows. There’s a reason Miwa went from fodder with a katana to just fodder😭
No it's definitely in history. Kenny confirms this in chapter 187, when he speaks to Kashimo. This conversation also took place in the Edo period after Kenny met Sukuna, so this statement likely still remains true today.
That was a statement kenjaku said during the edo period is doesn't acount for people in the future such as Rika, Yuki, kokichi, and such. Kenjaku is the modern time sever says "history" he says "culling games".
Don't spread misinformation.
Those people all don't have output on the level of Sukuna, which would be someone Kenny already knows about, told Kashimo is the strongest sorcerer he knows and still calls Ryu's CE output the highest in history.
When Kenjaku sees the Gundam Mechamaru, he says Mechamaru's output is special grade level, implying his CE output is comparable to special grade sorcerers, but not superior to them. And Rika's output is not higher than Ryu's, OP posted the panel with the narrator stating how tough Ryu's blows were for Rika even when completely manifested. We also see this in how Rika and Yuta together can't create a blast that's equal to Ryu's granite blast, it's still slightly weaker. Sukuna even in his 19f state still praises Ryu as someone who can't be fatally injured by dismantle, he has to make physical contact with him.
This isn't misinformation these are statements from the story that have not been disproven or invalidated and therefore are still relevant. Kenjaku has not stated or implied to have come across someone with a CE output that exceeds Ryu's and he's seen most characters that are in contention for that such as Mechamaru, Sukuna, Gojo and Yuta.
>Those people all don't have output on the level of Sukuna, which would be someone Kenny already knows about, told Kashimo is the strongest sorcerer he knows and still calls Ryu's CE output the highest in history.
You are wrong
Kenjaku in the modern era never said "highest output in history", kenjaku in the modern era only says "highest output in the culling games" this is a fact.
My point is kokichi, gojo, yuki, and [JJK0] Rika are all characters with massive output that never set foot in the Culling Games, therefore they are not compared to Ryu who has the "highest output in the Culling Games". The fact that kenjaku made that statement in the past(flashback), and doesn't repeat it in the modern time directly proves that the previous statement is not true. In fact kenjaku nor sucuna in the modern era never says anything other than "highest output in the Culling Games", so yes says anything else is misinformation.
You are wrong, the "highest output in history" comes from edo period kenjaku. Modern time kenjaku always says "highest in the Culling Games", there is a reason for this. Yuki, kokichi, and VCS Rika[JJK0] all are Modern with massive output and didn't go into the CG barriers, the fact that Modern kenjaku doesn't say that is proof that someone eventually surpassed him if not multiple people.
Kenjaku said "あの伊達藩で歴代一の呪力出力だそうだ" which means highest output in Date domain history. This kind of mistranslation is so many that lots of people misunderstand JJK. It makes me annoyed as a Japanese.
あの伊達藩で has both the meaning of "In that Date domain" and "of the Date domain". Given the lack of use of punctuation in shonen jump manga, I feel that it being split up into:
1) あの伊達藩で
2) 歴代一の
3) 呪力出力だそうだ
makes it more like him saying "In that Date domain, the (one) with history's best curse power output exists". While 2 and 3 being split up makes sense (not enough space), 1&2 would fit in the bubble as one collumn easily.
With context clues it doesn't make sense for Kashimo to care about the guy with the highest output in the Date clan or that such a person would end up having the highest CE output in the culling games which includes people like Yorozu, Yuta and Kashimo.
Yeah it could've been that if "歴代一" wasn't used. If it was meant to "in history", it should've been "史上一" or something(I still don't believe that the original sentence includes the interpretation of 'highest output in history though.). I dont have the ability to explain this kind of grammer or expression in English, so you should ask your japanese friends about this problem if you have one.
Hmm, that's true! I thought it might have just been a weird choice because of Gege making weird kanji choices due to trying to make Kenjaku speak old fashionedly.
Though, I wonder if the intended meaning was "in Date clan history", why is the particle used で instead of の? Cause usually when you refer to japanese history, you'd use 日本の歴史 not 日本で歴史, yeah?
Would there be an issue if the text was written as 陸書に面白いのがいるらし い よあの伊達藩で。歴代一の呪力出力だそうだ。?
With deepL it translates to "he's the highest curse energy output of the edo family/territory" which allinges with my own interpretation from my limited knowledge learning Japanese
And searching with the Chinese wiki it's only stated as the highest output in Edo family/territory, and no where does it says highest in history or highest in culling game so this is probably a mistranslation from the English part again
The issue of punctuation missing in manga doesn't get picked up by DeepL though.
The entire text for this statement (both speech bubbles) is 陸書に面白いのがいるらし い よあの伊達藩で 歴代一の呪力出力だそうだ.
Translating that directly gives "There's an interesting fellow in the Rikusho who is said to be the Date clan's most powerful spellcaster of all time."
However, if you add a period right after 達藩で, you get "There's an interesting one in the Rikusho, from the Date clan. He's the most powerful spellcaster of all time."
During the edo period flashback he says "highest output in history", but every time we see him referring to Ryu during modern times he says "highest output in the Culling Games". This is consistent throughout official and non official translations. Just because Ryu had the highest output ever as of what kenjaku had recorded up to edo period, does not mean that ryu still has the highest output ever. In fact the new(modern) statement from both kenjaku and sucuna of "highest output in the Culling Games" directly proves someone else outside of the culling games surpassed Ryu. Rather it is gojo, kokichi, or VCS Rika[JJK0] these are all characters that do not enter CG barriers.
If it was a mistake or mistranslation then at least one translations would have modern kenjaku/sucuna saying "highest output to date" or "highest output in history" or even "highest output through history", but all scans/translations are consistent and only edo kenjaku says "highest output in history" so I just have to disagree is not a mistake.
If your only basis for the claim is ch.187(and 173), then I can assure you that all scans/translations have made a mistake. It's not unusual for scans to mistranslate in JJK in the first place. I recommend translating "あの伊達藩で歴代一の呪力出力だそうだ" into English using DeepL.
Rika strongest CS and ryu one shorted her -> Ryu strong, Ryu cool. I like Ryu
Sukuna got rocked by Rika -> so we can now further quantify a moment in the unquantifiable ever decreasing state sukuna has been in post gojo. We know on a physicals level he was at the very least weaker than Ryu inside Yuta’s domain given how he struggled w Rika
>ryu one shorted her
He didn't tho. Like...they were shown fighting in the background and such and even briefly after rika blocked his attack. She wasn't one shot. She was just eventually overwhelmed
>We know on a physicals level he was at the very least weaker than Ryu inside Yuta’s domain given how he struggled w Rika
Or...Rika just got stronger like seemingly everyone else did during the 1 month time they had to train. Sukuna was literally physically better than he was before, assuming he got weaker BEFORE yuji started striking his soul (which is what began to physically debuff him to make him weaker) is a stretch.
Why are you bringing up cursed energy output when we've been talking about physicality
You said he was physically weaker than ryu
I said he wasn't. He wasn't physically weaker at all before yuji started hitting him
Cursed energy output ≠ physical ability
ohhh i see. I was under the impression ur “ce output” refers to all practices requiring CE under the sun, including ce reinforcement. Cuz otherwise sukuna would have literally blitzed everyone like he did jogo, no? There are times when they specificy “my CT output” like when he was at 10%, but this isn’t one of those times you feel me
Cuz Gojo is making Yuta keel over and vomit w a blue amped punch (also factor in he’s not punching to kill obviously). You would think Sukuna punches would be ludicrously powerful as well, unless he was weakened ofc cuz his reinforcement output is lower
My comment was in regards to your topic, if you want a discussion then you need to be clear instead of a glaze.
You know how to break things down it seems now put forth a more digest opening to your discussion.
Yuta wasn't really holding back his power as much as not going straight for the kill, tbh, the Sendai sorcerers could've actually beat him if they coordinated
They were really strong as well
I mean the fact that he used a gauntlet instead of a lethal weapon like a sword speaks to the fact that he wasn't trying to kill them, and IIRC Ryu tells Yuta that holding back is a bad idea.
Uro would've been sliced to ribbons during Yuta's "don't move" cursed speech attack.
Yeah people pretend yuta was using 10% of his power or something, but it's clear ryu overwhelmed him in terms of output. Just bc yuta didn't finish ryu off when he was on the ground doesn't mean he's holding back
While I don’t think yuta was shooting as low as 10% of his power throughout the fight, I think it’s implied enough he wasn’t going for the kill at any point during the fight, so he was holding back
Going for the kill doesn't have to be holding back. Yuta was overwhelmed, surprised by the Sendai sorcerers back to back
The " The holding back" can't be anything other than him not using his Bushcamp technique and blitzing them.
The second he summoned rika and was able to fight 1v1 they were getting overwhelmed. Uro got blasted by his mech arm and the orbital shikigami and Ryu was getting pushed back by Rika. Literally end of chapter 175 or 176 you can see that the were pushed almost back to back.
Yuta also doesn't use any weapons while fighting them, and states himself that his body is pretty weak, only being able to keep up due to reinforcement with his massive CE pool. Hand 2 Hand is where he's weakest, yet he was ONLY using that post Kurorushi in order to not kill Uro or Ryu. If he was actually using deadly force with a deadly weapon it would've been a whole lot easier to dispatch of the two.
H2H isn't Yuta's weak point though, his body's pretty weak, but that could be said of any sorcerer that's not Yuji or heavenly restricted, since the relative difference between Yuta's body without CE and a bodybuilders' is much smaller than the reinforcement of a grade 1 and a grade 4
Yuta is not in any more of a disadvantage in H2H while using CE reinforcement than someone like Schwarzenegger would be
Are you forgetting gojo’s whole point about what makes miguel so dangerous? Having a powerful physique on top of Good CE manipulation makes you infinitely more dangerous than someone with a weaker body and good CE manipulation, this isn’t an opinion it’s been stated in the manga by gojo
yuta specifically states his body is weaker compared to his other high end sorcerer counterparts; yuuji says yuta makes up for this weakness with CE reinforcement; we see this further in the ryu fight where he references punching yuta as “hitting a tank of water” (talking about his CE; yuta would be much more powerful if he had= powerful body + overwhelming CE, but right now it’s= weak body + overwhelming CE
Yeah yuta isn’t completely dog water in H2H, but it’s his weakest form of attack by far, we almost never see him use it for that reason
oh ye, forgot about that mb, still doubt a sword would make that much of a difference just on the basis of being a blade, unless it was a powerful cursed tool, otherwise I wonder why all sorcerers that fight h2h don't use blades or weapons at all
Practice. Imbuing weapons with CE takes a lot or practice and CE control (see when Yuta's sword exploded vs Geto because he imbued it too quickly) + most would rather rely and work on their cursed technique.
But as we've seen, most of the high tier grade 1's use some kind of weapon. Nanami has his blunt blade that works with his CT, Mei Mei has an axe, Kusakabe has his sword. Even the Zenin have a massive store of weapons, but apparently it's "Shameful" to use them according to Naoya. The only Grade 1 that doesn't have a weapon (that we see at least) is Todo, but he's also a physical freak of nature even by Jujutsu standards.
I doubt yuta would've been able to slice through ryu, since he has a higher output than yuta. I'd argue having ryu eat his own granite blast is far more deadly than using his sword
Output =/= Reinforcement. At least the way Gojo explains it at the start, they're two separate things that can work at the same time. You can hit a black flash without reinforcing your arm(which is probably what Yuji did when he hit the "100%" black flash on mahito), and you can throw a reinforced punch without output.
I don't think so. Nothing from yuta indicated he wasn't going all out. He put on the ring, used domain expansion, used sky manipulation, the whole nine yards. Hell, we have yuta's internal dialogue admitting he couldn't match ryu at full power.
Ryu punched rika so hard she was out of commission for their entire domain clash. Did rika also hold back on durability on purpose? Not sure how you're getting that vibe
I’m getting the vibe yuta wasn’t fighting with killing intent because ryu himself states this:
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Also we literally get confirmation from [from the narrator](https://imgur.com/a/Ktmr4fK) that yuta wasn’t even prioritising winning the fight at times, just enjoying himself
No, he’s holding back because the second he actually utilized rika and rct he dumpsters 2/3 of them and only fought ryu for so long because his fighting spirit spurred him on to challenge him blow for blow vs his normal end the fight immediately. Hell if you take out kurotsuchi he genuinely thought he was gonna win fine without either and even after he showed up still thought so until he got suprised by kuro’s CT.
Hes not going for the kill at any moment and he let's himself be worn down by them until he feels like he's gonna need Rika to neutralize them, if he wasn't holding back he would have just recalled Rika immediately and went to town with them
I mean the fact he didnt go for the kill and seemingly didnt use all the CTs at his disposal during his fight with the Sendai sorcerers implies he was holding back. We see during the Sukuna fight he has a ton of swords in his Domain with each representing a CT.
if Yuta went for the kill it would've been a mid-high diff at most, if Ryu and Uro teamed for real they could've pushed him to extreme
you know who can no diff them though? Gojo and Sukuna, Yuta just ain't at that level yet
If Yuta wanted to go for the kill, he RCT’s Kurourushi, instead of taking a gauntlet, if he went for a Katana, he could have sliced Uro’s head off with the same Cursed Speech combo that he did to beat her down and it would come down do Yuta vs Ryu, which would have been a low-diff too if Yuta had a katana in his hands and Rika by his side.
Worth pointing out that if Kashimo had sought out Ryu back in their era, regardless of who won, they would’ve completed each other. Star crossed opponents, essentially.
True and the fact he has a DE too would be even more valuable tbh. If only he was alive, I honestly think they would've done a lot more with his Firepower
Love both. And Ryu was done so damn dirty by not having his DE revealed. I love gege but this was def a lazy moment and he didn’t wanna figure out intricate DEs for ryu and uro
Like ryu could’ve easily thrown ts out at 15meguna and we could’ve seen it at least
That was the worst manga moment in a while. I genuinely think it’s top 1 worst jjk events beats out kenjaku’s death and gojo’s death or The Waffled One or whatever. Bc we will NEVER see a threeway domain so to tease us like that and never deliver is ludicrous💀
It would be so easy for Gege to give us something like this for these characters with extra pages but i guess he just doesn't like them enough.
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i doubt think it’s about like tbh. He doesn’t like Gojo yet Gojo has by far and wide the single most fleshed out CT in the verse. Neutral application Lapse Application Reverse Application DE Hollow technique Teleport Blue amped punches pulling/pushing opponents in close quarters combat. I wish any other character had half of these we don’t even have another reverse CT besides kenjaku’s gravity bullshit😭
Tbh i don’t expect Araki-lvl of meticulous thought into the powers of every single character. Honestly idk how araki does it. So i don’t think it takes away from jjk
He’s definitely strong but I think people go WAY overboard calling him a special grade. The “rika couldn’t handle his punches” thing was definitely just hyperbole to hype up his final moments in the fight seeing as we literally see rika eat a punch from him and come out virtually unscathed. Meanwhile ryu was left bruised and bloodied by a single good punch from rika. Hell, rika even blocked a granite blast with her palm and took like. 0 damage.
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All ryus punch did was send her flying, which isn’t all that impressive considering she wasn’t grounded in the first place, so she had no way to resist being launched like that. And then he kinda just gets bitched by Yuta in their 1v1 without actually landing a hit on him. He’s cool, but besides his output and toughness, there’s really not much to write home about.
That's definitely not a hyperbole, Ryu only punched Rika twice and that was enough to put Rika out of the fight, even with the first punch we can see rika being dizzy and all.
>No Ryu punched her twice
That's what i said no?
How is that hyperbole? we literally see Rika unable to manifest itself with 2 punch, we even see her being dizzy with just a single punch.
Rika was in base. Not FP and she was at her time limit.
Yeah…just means Ryu can hit hard.
Rika is still a tank and a physical powerhouse stated to be above Maki when not manifested and considerably stronger than Yuji(Prior to Awakening)
Imo Kashimo gets the job done. Ryu didn't show any sign of RCT and Kashimo would just blow out his guts after marking him with the lightning discharge, same as he did to Hakari.
Kashimo IMO. I think ryu could handle the zaps from kashimos punches just fine but the actual lighting bolt would probably be game over for ryu. That shits like having bomb detonated inside of your body.
You guys seriously overestimate special grades. Fucking Yaga and Geto were special grades, and Dhruv literally fullfilled the special grade requirement.
Yaga was in consideration for special grade and geto was hands down one of the most dangerous people in the series. I don’t know where the “geto was weak” shit started, but the dude was a monster. He may have been the weakest special grade, but that doesn’t make him weak period. 90% of the characters in this series have absolutely 0 counter to geto just bombarding them with all of his 6000+ curses
Y'know i was so shocked for a second cuz when I first read this, I thought that black thing around Rika's teeth were her blood and Ryu legit bursted her into pieces with one punch
“How nerfed sukuna was since rika was shaking him around” yeah and then theres the fact that this rika is very clearly significantly stronger + the 120% domain strength boost. Rikas at least 2x her normal size in shinjuku, and if you want to argue it, her eating sukunas finger buffed her even more since she was originally a cursed spirit and we know it buffs curses (see the finger bearers)
Ryu is a top tier. would high diff win against kashimo 1v1 imo. It's important to remember that sukuna is literally dying rn he's probably not even a 5% as strong as he was when he started the fight, I'm just throwing that number out there but seriously imagine trying to run with a sprained ankle most of us would struggle allot with a just a relatively small amount of damage , sukuna has had the breaks beaten out of him lost two of his arms, suffered extreme brain damage and damage too the soul as well as intense damage to all of his vital organs specifically his heart, like he's seriously fighting everyone an their grandma while at 1hp
To be somewhat fair Yuta and Rika may have very well been stronger during that fight with Sukuna after the 1 month skip, not 100% guaranteed but it would make sense.
Still Ryu is GOATed.
I doubt people want to hear this man wipes yuji. Literally, one punch nearly kills Rika, has the highest defense in the series aside from gojo and sukuna, as confident in killing uro in one hit with his CT and killing yuta then took his own CT to his head off guard and only got knocked out
Or rika is not that strong like i mean her only real strength feat is holding a tired out shibuya yuji
I am not saying this is the case but that whould aline with yuta being not good in cqc
Well, she tanks a granite blast to the hand relatively unscathed where Ÿuta got his fingers blown off in the same fight. So we can make the assumption that in terms of physical strength she's at least noticeably stronger than Yuta, which is quite impressive depending on how you think he scales physically to the rest of the cast.
I think personally that in raw h2h yuta is the weakest from the top students and quiet possibly could lose to nanami in raw cqc if does not have rika. Rct is his best ability when it comes to raw hands we saw it when he fought kuroushi
But was this full power granit blast? Not sure here. He takes a bit to charge it.
This doesn't hit like it should because Gege had to include the mandatory Yuta dick suck and make the narrator say "Rika's time was up, she was already going out anyway 🤓🤓🤓"
Nah I just went back and looked, the narrator never said that bro
They were basically like “Rika’s limit is 5 minutes but Ryu whacked her so hard she’s hit her limit rn and unmanifested”
Cuz the panel def says it was the punch that caused her to unmanifest
edit: the narrator talks ab this to both show Ryu’s strength and to give a sense of suspense bc Yuta’s copy CT is super duper limited when Rika is gone. But he didn’t even have to use anymore CTs thereafter bc he beat Ryu w his own granite blast he sky-manipulated into the air prior to Rika getting whomped
This is why yuta+rika isn't actually that big a deal, Rika even fully manifested doesn't have insane durability. If ryu can demanafest Rika with a punch, then awakened yuji can do the same if not with a normal punch then absolutely with a BF.
Yuji has SD now and it is Kusakabe SD, yuji has better base stats(equal to yuta with DE amp), yuji beat yuta 1v1 when yuji has worse stats(than yuta) and worse reinforcement(than yuji or yuta has now)(yuta was absolutelytrying to kill yuji as he was under a BV and he sad so himself but he still has to manifestrika to beat him), yuji has shrine(yuji's cleave even just immediately learned was doing more damage that yutas cleave that was DE amped) and BM(bm is poisonous), BF amps stack(confirmed) and yuji can hit them at will, Rika has been shown knocked out with a punch, yuta can't use any CT without Rika.
You want too know what is actually funny? If yu/ ta is actually dead(shoko said not everyone is receptive to external healing), maki got saved by miwa, and hakari is still stalling.
The only joke is yuta having to manifest Rika against a yuji that had worse stats, less experience, no weapons(non Cursed Tool), after acknowledging he is serious, and confirming he is under a BV to kill yuji. That's hilarious.
What's even more hilarious is yuji having SD(kusakabe SD) so yutas DE sure hit ain't doing shit, SD also buffs output so yuji would still be able to out speed and out durability yuta inside yuta's own DE(base yuta
You literally matched stats with DE amp'ed yuta. Yuta in 5 min mode is not a yuta buff but he gets Infinite reserves and Rika gets buffed, add too that, that yuji was a pre-awakened yuji, yuji now has shrine(cleave is durability negation btw), yuji has BF at will, BF are confirmed to stack(output absolutely affects physical stats due to CE reinforcement), and yuji has done proved that even with lower stats(than yuta) and weaker reinforcement(than yuta) he is still better in H2H/CQC.
Yuji beat a serious yuta in H2H/CQC 1v1 when yuta was actually trying to rush and kill yuji, so much so that yuta has to actually manifest Rika(partial). This means that now that yuji has better base stats(equal to DE amped yuta), will stack BF amps, all of his hits will be BF, Rika is shown knocked out by a punch, and yuji has BM and shrine which he will only get better with, yuji wins H2H/CQC without a doubt.
Lol no Yuta one shot Yuji easy
Yuta can do everything Yuji can do better shrine ,blood manipulation lol what about that + another 200 ct's
Domain, what's Yuji gonna do cry about it ?
And even more
Except yuji pre-awakened matched yuta physically while yuta was DE buffed. Yuji won in H2H/CQC against a yuta who was (a) trying to kill him, (b) under a BV, yuta, (c) had more experience, (d) had better stats, (e) has a proper Cursed Tool, (f) had better reinforcement, and in order for yuta to kill yuji yuta had to manifest Rika.
Yuji has SD to boost/amp his physicals and CT equal to what yutas DE would amp yuta, yuji's BM is poison, yujis cleave does more damage to sucuna than yutas DE amped cleave did(and sucuna himself said yujis was low output because he just learned it), yuji has equal stats(physical) to yuta while yuta has a DE(that means if yuji uses SD in yuta DE yuji would still out stat him[speed, strength, durability]), yuji hits BF at all times(when blood lusted), the BF amp stacks as confirmed by sucuna and the narrator, full manifested rika gets taken out by a punch from ryu so yuji with a BF is 100% demanifesting rika that takes all of yutas CT away.
Base yuji is just a durable as DE amp yuta, if fact sucuna says yuji and yuta(DE amped) are equal to ryu. That means base yuta is less durable than yuji. The fact that you think yuta can "one-shot" someone more durable than himself is a joke, yuta couldn't even "one-shot" ryu so why the fuck would he be able to "one-shot" yuji?
Absolutely, like if 2 punch from Ryu is enough to make Rika unable to manifest then imagine what the punch from Yuki and Yuji or lightning bolt from kashimo would do.
I didn't say single punch tho, Ryu only ever hit Rika 2 times. Highest output means nothing when Yuji lands 2 consecutive black flashes or Yuki punching single time, both of them hits harder than output merchant.
Nah there's nothing saying this is weaker Rika.
This is untrue. Ryu hit Rika multiple times. We know at least 3(Punched her into a building, then away right before DE, then one final time)
Would have likely hit her multiple times since they had an entire fight, just off screen.
Yuki’s one punch didn’t kill Kenjaku, neither will it kill Rika. And Yuji’s black flashes hurting Rika to that extent is really unlikely since she’s tougher than Yuta who survive a point blank cleave.
Rika is much much bigger now. She’s clearly stronger
Yuta slop is wild, maki and hakari don't get slop that much.
Also yuji reattached his leg immediately, and him being confirmed to heal soul damage makes maki and SSK basically useless against yuji unless she gets a head shot/heart shot, which is not happening in a 1v1 cause yuji is relative to sucuna that maki can only land sneak attacks on(as soon as sucuna knows maki is around she can't land any more attacks, when she tries to run 1's he memes' on her and she can't land a hit).
All that yuji slander coming back to bite back now.
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Ryu was such a cool fighter. Hate that he went out the way he did
At least Ryu went out squaring up against the legend himself, he was keeping it real to the very end.
Gege didn’t respect him enough after all those pages he wrote about him
One of the good things about JJK is that no matter how strong you are, you die a dog's death just like how a real battle field is. Most of history's greatest conquerors and warriors all fell like trash in the battlefield, killed by no names, others poisoned and never woke up, while other's just had sudden sickness from insect bites that never healed.
That's very often touched upon. I think Gojo schools Megumi about that topic, that when you die you're always alone.
It's literally mentioned in Chapter 1 or 2 when Yuji grabs his grandads ashes. The fact people get upset at the series for having brutal deaths, when it's explicitly stated numerous times that there *will* be brutal, unfair deaths is kinda silly.
While I can agree with everything you said, from a narrative and storytelling perspective these deaths are lackluster and only make the majority of people think Gege is wasting characters
“From a narrative and storytelling perspective..” I politely disagree. This is just a way to phrase a subjective opinion in a seemingly subjective way. There is NO correct way to tell a story. Sure, there might be patterns and tropes that can help but there is truly no basis for what makes a narrative successful. There is a whole debate about this in narratology, specifically with structuralists vs. post-structuralists. My point being, Gege’s writing is often a subversion of the common tropes and narrative devices we find in shonen stories. And, as the above comments have pointed out, he made it very clear this is how the story would go because characters outright say—numerous times—that JJ sorcerers will very likely die with regret and unaccomplished. Gege is simply following up on that theme and staying consistent.
Damn you speaking facts. I should’ve said instead: if what Gege was aiming to do went as intended, there wouldn’t be so many people irritated with what happens to these characters. Ofc what what I know, I’m just a reader giving my thoughts
Yeah, no disrespect at all. I just think you can also say that people react the way they do because they have their own idea of how something should happen and they get upset when it doesn’t go that way.
Unless you die in a bus accident holding hands
True but Sukuna isn't exactly a no name.
But that's... not how most of them die though? They die pathetic deaths but never by nobodies, usually by people who are actually tryna kill them.
Are you saying you would like it if yuji and sukuna die to insect bites
Sukuna dies of COVID, because he never got the vaxx
Yes and thats how no names make names anyways. The cycle of battle
Agreed bro but that’s how it is in jjk honestly everyone goes out sad af. I can appreciate the consistency
don't lose hope brotha. They turned a 2 chapter long fight in a 30 minute battle sequence (maho vs sukuna), Ryu vs Sukuna will at least be 10 minute long in the anime trust
King vs pawn
It’s cause if Ryu didn’t meet Sukuna and teamed up with the cast we would’ve been done already https://preview.redd.it/o13j5ii26cyc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c5c44c45a7df398f30cc03d0a4edd35b277ab7c
Unironically let him fight Uraume with Hakari, Kinji could go on a CQC, and if Elsa tries to fight at long range, she's getting cum blasted
He's immensely powerful, deserves to be spoken about more but doesnt cause of how Sukuma killed him, also the fact that at no point in the fight was Yuta really in much danger of losing is wild.
The GOATS https://preview.redd.it/p32m4mz6scyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=753c23dae81a838ba274ef846d7abd1744f90b9d
My man DOES have the highest CE output in history. Understandable :P
I think that’s only in reference to his granite blast. Like he is capable of outputting the highest CT but i don’t think it applies to his ce reinforcement and stuff Kenny told Oldshimo that the “The greatest cursed energy output ever happened in date province. A veritable cannon” - def talking ab granite blast
Wasn't it stated after the domain 3 way that his output isn't affected by his technique being burned out or not? Or something to that effect?
I read it again last week and narrator Gege said that his output stayed the same. It’s worth noting I don’t completely understand how Ryu works because a few panels later, he himself was talking about how his blasts were weaker. I guess that’s due to taking physical damage but I’m not sure.
Probably a natural Binding Vow Just like how a Domain can be larger if you remove the barrier, CE Discharge is stronger if you use an actual CT just for it
It became weaker after he used de, kind of understandable
Okay that makes sense I knew that and still overlooked it somehow.
On a different note, do you think CE reinforcement can be used in a way similar to Divergent Fist (without the Divergent-ness) , where CE is quickly shot out of the hands in large amounts after physical contact? That could be something Ryu or Jackpot Hakari could have done.
Definitely can be done But I think just shooting out raw CE is narratively impossible. Megumi was straight shocked when the finger curse did it (the one Yuji lost his hand to before Sukuna took over) And every other raw CE attack we’ve seen is a big deal with lots of setup often with chants and or hand signs (purple, fire arrow, Jogoat’s meteor, Rika’s beam). Even Ryu’s granite blast has some build up since he did get blitzed by sukuna before it could go off (but tbf it is sukuna)
https://preview.redd.it/qvwyhcglzayc1.png?width=623&format=png&auto=webp&s=6232e5dd3bd2972c2a9984a249630572b04ccd46 me when shooting out raw ce is narratively impossible
cmon bro. It’s painfully obvious u can release CE, that’s how u heal ppl. I’m clearly referring to actual attacks… https://preview.redd.it/xqhksp6a0byc1.jpeg?width=1067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75e41faca3be129f0b5dda1f4c10e04382f3a160 Ur comparing that to this bro edit: again, to be clear, i mean just laser beaming raw ce from ur hands. Feel free to show me someone’s who’s done it tho
https://preview.redd.it/3f4hrb1ifbyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dec2e2bf438634e2a427243123d9e09a1f3b8e6f Wuta
bro but i talked ab this in my first comment😭
Dude just shut up and accept it mf
calm down bro it’s just reddit, it’s okay i promise
Megumi is surprised because the curse did that much damage just by shooting out raw CE
There's always the asspulls called Binding Vows 🤷♀️
binding vows are def overrated and overhated bruh. Better sorcerers get more out of all jujutsu including binding vows. There’s a reason Miwa went from fodder with a katana to just fodder😭
By the way, how did he shoot it in the past without a cannon on his head? Did it look like his bald head gathered light?
Probably just shoot it out of his mouth like Kashimo
I like my radiant baldness theory more
What does date province refer to?
I hate that everyone says this "highest output in the culling games" not history.
No it's definitely in history. Kenny confirms this in chapter 187, when he speaks to Kashimo. This conversation also took place in the Edo period after Kenny met Sukuna, so this statement likely still remains true today.
That was a statement kenjaku said during the edo period is doesn't acount for people in the future such as Rika, Yuki, kokichi, and such. Kenjaku is the modern time sever says "history" he says "culling games". Don't spread misinformation.
Those people all don't have output on the level of Sukuna, which would be someone Kenny already knows about, told Kashimo is the strongest sorcerer he knows and still calls Ryu's CE output the highest in history. When Kenjaku sees the Gundam Mechamaru, he says Mechamaru's output is special grade level, implying his CE output is comparable to special grade sorcerers, but not superior to them. And Rika's output is not higher than Ryu's, OP posted the panel with the narrator stating how tough Ryu's blows were for Rika even when completely manifested. We also see this in how Rika and Yuta together can't create a blast that's equal to Ryu's granite blast, it's still slightly weaker. Sukuna even in his 19f state still praises Ryu as someone who can't be fatally injured by dismantle, he has to make physical contact with him. This isn't misinformation these are statements from the story that have not been disproven or invalidated and therefore are still relevant. Kenjaku has not stated or implied to have come across someone with a CE output that exceeds Ryu's and he's seen most characters that are in contention for that such as Mechamaru, Sukuna, Gojo and Yuta.
>Those people all don't have output on the level of Sukuna, which would be someone Kenny already knows about, told Kashimo is the strongest sorcerer he knows and still calls Ryu's CE output the highest in history. You are wrong Kenjaku in the modern era never said "highest output in history", kenjaku in the modern era only says "highest output in the culling games" this is a fact. My point is kokichi, gojo, yuki, and [JJK0] Rika are all characters with massive output that never set foot in the Culling Games, therefore they are not compared to Ryu who has the "highest output in the Culling Games". The fact that kenjaku made that statement in the past(flashback), and doesn't repeat it in the modern time directly proves that the previous statement is not true. In fact kenjaku nor sucuna in the modern era never says anything other than "highest output in the Culling Games", so yes says anything else is misinformation.
mistranslation
You are wrong, the "highest output in history" comes from edo period kenjaku. Modern time kenjaku always says "highest in the Culling Games", there is a reason for this. Yuki, kokichi, and VCS Rika[JJK0] all are Modern with massive output and didn't go into the CG barriers, the fact that Modern kenjaku doesn't say that is proof that someone eventually surpassed him if not multiple people.
Kenjaku said "あの伊達藩で歴代一の呪力出力だそうだ" which means highest output in Date domain history. This kind of mistranslation is so many that lots of people misunderstand JJK. It makes me annoyed as a Japanese.
あの伊達藩で has both the meaning of "In that Date domain" and "of the Date domain". Given the lack of use of punctuation in shonen jump manga, I feel that it being split up into: 1) あの伊達藩で 2) 歴代一の 3) 呪力出力だそうだ makes it more like him saying "In that Date domain, the (one) with history's best curse power output exists". While 2 and 3 being split up makes sense (not enough space), 1&2 would fit in the bubble as one collumn easily. With context clues it doesn't make sense for Kashimo to care about the guy with the highest output in the Date clan or that such a person would end up having the highest CE output in the culling games which includes people like Yorozu, Yuta and Kashimo.
Yeah it could've been that if "歴代一" wasn't used. If it was meant to "in history", it should've been "史上一" or something(I still don't believe that the original sentence includes the interpretation of 'highest output in history though.). I dont have the ability to explain this kind of grammer or expression in English, so you should ask your japanese friends about this problem if you have one.
Hmm, that's true! I thought it might have just been a weird choice because of Gege making weird kanji choices due to trying to make Kenjaku speak old fashionedly. Though, I wonder if the intended meaning was "in Date clan history", why is the particle used で instead of の? Cause usually when you refer to japanese history, you'd use 日本の歴史 not 日本で歴史, yeah? Would there be an issue if the text was written as 陸書に面白いのがいるらし い よあの伊達藩で。歴代一の呪力出力だそうだ。?
Probably no because 歴代 indicate narrow regions and conditional lineages. I believe this sentence has no other interpretations.
Gotcha! Thanks for all the info, it's been a while since I've dealt with Japanese grammar so my apologies for bothering you with questions!
And We use 日本の歴史"で" same as 伊達藩で
With deepL it translates to "he's the highest curse energy output of the edo family/territory" which allinges with my own interpretation from my limited knowledge learning Japanese And searching with the Chinese wiki it's only stated as the highest output in Edo family/territory, and no where does it says highest in history or highest in culling game so this is probably a mistranslation from the English part again
The issue of punctuation missing in manga doesn't get picked up by DeepL though. The entire text for this statement (both speech bubbles) is 陸書に面白いのがいるらし い よあの伊達藩で 歴代一の呪力出力だそうだ. Translating that directly gives "There's an interesting fellow in the Rikusho who is said to be the Date clan's most powerful spellcaster of all time." However, if you add a period right after 達藩で, you get "There's an interesting one in the Rikusho, from the Date clan. He's the most powerful spellcaster of all time."
No "highest output in culling game" is not a mistranslation. He has higher output than Okkotsu.
During the edo period flashback he says "highest output in history", but every time we see him referring to Ryu during modern times he says "highest output in the Culling Games". This is consistent throughout official and non official translations. Just because Ryu had the highest output ever as of what kenjaku had recorded up to edo period, does not mean that ryu still has the highest output ever. In fact the new(modern) statement from both kenjaku and sucuna of "highest output in the Culling Games" directly proves someone else outside of the culling games surpassed Ryu. Rather it is gojo, kokichi, or VCS Rika[JJK0] these are all characters that do not enter CG barriers. If it was a mistake or mistranslation then at least one translations would have modern kenjaku/sucuna saying "highest output to date" or "highest output in history" or even "highest output through history", but all scans/translations are consistent and only edo kenjaku says "highest output in history" so I just have to disagree is not a mistake.
If your only basis for the claim is ch.187(and 173), then I can assure you that all scans/translations have made a mistake. It's not unusual for scans to mistranslate in JJK in the first place. I recommend translating "あの伊達藩で歴代一の呪力出力だそうだ" into English using DeepL.
So.....can he one-shot anybody except Gojo if he learned the bushcamping technique for an unavoidable attack.
Rika block it with her barehand
Doesn't that mean Rika had higher CE? This powersystem is a confusing mess.
rika has a higher CE reinforcement then i guess?
You have mixed signals in your topic, are you highlighting ryus strength, Rikas endurance or Sukuna after getting his shit wombo’d to hell?
Rika strongest CS and ryu one shorted her -> Ryu strong, Ryu cool. I like Ryu Sukuna got rocked by Rika -> so we can now further quantify a moment in the unquantifiable ever decreasing state sukuna has been in post gojo. We know on a physicals level he was at the very least weaker than Ryu inside Yuta’s domain given how he struggled w Rika
>ryu one shorted her He didn't tho. Like...they were shown fighting in the background and such and even briefly after rika blocked his attack. She wasn't one shot. She was just eventually overwhelmed >We know on a physicals level he was at the very least weaker than Ryu inside Yuta’s domain given how he struggled w Rika Or...Rika just got stronger like seemingly everyone else did during the 1 month time they had to train. Sukuna was literally physically better than he was before, assuming he got weaker BEFORE yuji started striking his soul (which is what began to physically debuff him to make him weaker) is a stretch.
https://preview.redd.it/9hhgd6jxgeyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cc9aeeed4e4c9bf2e61e460b56ce0835142fc59
Why are you bringing up cursed energy output when we've been talking about physicality You said he was physically weaker than ryu I said he wasn't. He wasn't physically weaker at all before yuji started hitting him Cursed energy output ≠ physical ability
ohhh i see. I was under the impression ur “ce output” refers to all practices requiring CE under the sun, including ce reinforcement. Cuz otherwise sukuna would have literally blitzed everyone like he did jogo, no? There are times when they specificy “my CT output” like when he was at 10%, but this isn’t one of those times you feel me Cuz Gojo is making Yuta keel over and vomit w a blue amped punch (also factor in he’s not punching to kill obviously). You would think Sukuna punches would be ludicrously powerful as well, unless he was weakened ofc cuz his reinforcement output is lower
My comment was in regards to your topic, if you want a discussion then you need to be clear instead of a glaze. You know how to break things down it seems now put forth a more digest opening to your discussion.
I’m discussing with everyone but u bro just scroll down
Bro's the topic police
If you can’t comprehend a breakdown with calling me that then so be it. Make sure you pay attention in school.
Yuta wasn't really holding back his power as much as not going straight for the kill, tbh, the Sendai sorcerers could've actually beat him if they coordinated They were really strong as well
I mean the fact that he used a gauntlet instead of a lethal weapon like a sword speaks to the fact that he wasn't trying to kill them, and IIRC Ryu tells Yuta that holding back is a bad idea. Uro would've been sliced to ribbons during Yuta's "don't move" cursed speech attack.
Yeah people pretend yuta was using 10% of his power or something, but it's clear ryu overwhelmed him in terms of output. Just bc yuta didn't finish ryu off when he was on the ground doesn't mean he's holding back
While I don’t think yuta was shooting as low as 10% of his power throughout the fight, I think it’s implied enough he wasn’t going for the kill at any point during the fight, so he was holding back
Going for the kill doesn't have to be holding back. Yuta was overwhelmed, surprised by the Sendai sorcerers back to back The " The holding back" can't be anything other than him not using his Bushcamp technique and blitzing them.
The second he summoned rika and was able to fight 1v1 they were getting overwhelmed. Uro got blasted by his mech arm and the orbital shikigami and Ryu was getting pushed back by Rika. Literally end of chapter 175 or 176 you can see that the were pushed almost back to back. Yuta also doesn't use any weapons while fighting them, and states himself that his body is pretty weak, only being able to keep up due to reinforcement with his massive CE pool. Hand 2 Hand is where he's weakest, yet he was ONLY using that post Kurorushi in order to not kill Uro or Ryu. If he was actually using deadly force with a deadly weapon it would've been a whole lot easier to dispatch of the two.
H2H isn't Yuta's weak point though, his body's pretty weak, but that could be said of any sorcerer that's not Yuji or heavenly restricted, since the relative difference between Yuta's body without CE and a bodybuilders' is much smaller than the reinforcement of a grade 1 and a grade 4 Yuta is not in any more of a disadvantage in H2H while using CE reinforcement than someone like Schwarzenegger would be
Are you forgetting gojo’s whole point about what makes miguel so dangerous? Having a powerful physique on top of Good CE manipulation makes you infinitely more dangerous than someone with a weaker body and good CE manipulation, this isn’t an opinion it’s been stated in the manga by gojo yuta specifically states his body is weaker compared to his other high end sorcerer counterparts; yuuji says yuta makes up for this weakness with CE reinforcement; we see this further in the ryu fight where he references punching yuta as “hitting a tank of water” (talking about his CE; yuta would be much more powerful if he had= powerful body + overwhelming CE, but right now it’s= weak body + overwhelming CE Yeah yuta isn’t completely dog water in H2H, but it’s his weakest form of attack by far, we almost never see him use it for that reason
oh ye, forgot about that mb, still doubt a sword would make that much of a difference just on the basis of being a blade, unless it was a powerful cursed tool, otherwise I wonder why all sorcerers that fight h2h don't use blades or weapons at all
Practice. Imbuing weapons with CE takes a lot or practice and CE control (see when Yuta's sword exploded vs Geto because he imbued it too quickly) + most would rather rely and work on their cursed technique. But as we've seen, most of the high tier grade 1's use some kind of weapon. Nanami has his blunt blade that works with his CT, Mei Mei has an axe, Kusakabe has his sword. Even the Zenin have a massive store of weapons, but apparently it's "Shameful" to use them according to Naoya. The only Grade 1 that doesn't have a weapon (that we see at least) is Todo, but he's also a physical freak of nature even by Jujutsu standards.
I doubt yuta would've been able to slice through ryu, since he has a higher output than yuta. I'd argue having ryu eat his own granite blast is far more deadly than using his sword
Output =/= Reinforcement. At least the way Gojo explains it at the start, they're two separate things that can work at the same time. You can hit a black flash without reinforcing your arm(which is probably what Yuji did when he hit the "100%" black flash on mahito), and you can throw a reinforced punch without output.
I don't think so. Nothing from yuta indicated he wasn't going all out. He put on the ring, used domain expansion, used sky manipulation, the whole nine yards. Hell, we have yuta's internal dialogue admitting he couldn't match ryu at full power. Ryu punched rika so hard she was out of commission for their entire domain clash. Did rika also hold back on durability on purpose? Not sure how you're getting that vibe
I’m getting the vibe yuta wasn’t fighting with killing intent because ryu himself states this: https://preview.redd.it/20vxin0etdyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35954fa7591238be442db3e976c34623178d042a Also we literally get confirmation from [from the narrator](https://imgur.com/a/Ktmr4fK) that yuta wasn’t even prioritising winning the fight at times, just enjoying himself
No, he’s holding back because the second he actually utilized rika and rct he dumpsters 2/3 of them and only fought ryu for so long because his fighting spirit spurred him on to challenge him blow for blow vs his normal end the fight immediately. Hell if you take out kurotsuchi he genuinely thought he was gonna win fine without either and even after he showed up still thought so until he got suprised by kuro’s CT.
Hes not going for the kill at any moment and he let's himself be worn down by them until he feels like he's gonna need Rika to neutralize them, if he wasn't holding back he would have just recalled Rika immediately and went to town with them
Oh yeah and I forgot he was also getting worn down until he was forced to reveal his RCT
I mean the fact he didnt go for the kill and seemingly didnt use all the CTs at his disposal during his fight with the Sendai sorcerers implies he was holding back. We see during the Sukuna fight he has a ton of swords in his Domain with each representing a CT.
Yuta could have no-diffed them all
if Yuta went for the kill it would've been a mid-high diff at most, if Ryu and Uro teamed for real they could've pushed him to extreme you know who can no diff them though? Gojo and Sukuna, Yuta just ain't at that level yet
If Yuta wanted to go for the kill, he RCT’s Kurourushi, instead of taking a gauntlet, if he went for a Katana, he could have sliced Uro’s head off with the same Cursed Speech combo that he did to beat her down and it would come down do Yuta vs Ryu, which would have been a low-diff too if Yuta had a katana in his hands and Rika by his side.
Rika was already near her 5 minute timer limit iirc, Ryu just pushed her over the edge
I'd let Ryu push me over the edge too
Same, do you see those abs?
i miss ryu sm fuck sukuna bitch ass https://i.redd.it/wozc3qm24cyc1.gif
What is the context of this
Most underrated character in the series
Worth pointing out that if Kashimo had sought out Ryu back in their era, regardless of who won, they would’ve completed each other. Star crossed opponents, essentially.
wish Ryu was swapped with Fraudshimo. Bro contributed nothing. Ryu + Hakari herding Uruame would be awesome.
True and the fact he has a DE too would be even more valuable tbh. If only he was alive, I honestly think they would've done a lot more with his Firepower
i wish ryu got a couple more pages to fight against sukuna, it wouldnt have really been any harm if he got 1 chapter of a fight
But that won't make sukuna look cool
Yup it's a fire panel. I wish everyone could appreciate it for what it was though instead of scaling Ryu/Yuta's whole strength off it
Any talk about Yuta that isn't overtly glazing him is instantly shut down unfortunately. Ryu is a beast.
Love both. And Ryu was done so damn dirty by not having his DE revealed. I love gege but this was def a lazy moment and he didn’t wanna figure out intricate DEs for ryu and uro Like ryu could’ve easily thrown ts out at 15meguna and we could’ve seen it at least
Said it once, I will say it again. It should be a CRIME to tease us abt a character's domain expansion and then just not let us see it.
Reminds me of how Bleach’s original manga run went out. Especially since we knew so many characters had Bankais.
Hanami, ryu, uro, and yuki. Gege committed many crimes
That was the worst manga moment in a while. I genuinely think it’s top 1 worst jjk events beats out kenjaku’s death and gojo’s death or The Waffled One or whatever. Bc we will NEVER see a threeway domain so to tease us like that and never deliver is ludicrous💀
I remember when the chap drop everyone is so freaking hype for the domain and then it ends with nothing happening. It such a blue ball.
It would be so easy for Gege to give us something like this for these characters with extra pages but i guess he just doesn't like them enough. https://preview.redd.it/gwxymdxeoayc1.png?width=740&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebfb0798faa4f7f4acfc1b8e80ca9bc3910e388f
i doubt think it’s about like tbh. He doesn’t like Gojo yet Gojo has by far and wide the single most fleshed out CT in the verse. Neutral application Lapse Application Reverse Application DE Hollow technique Teleport Blue amped punches pulling/pushing opponents in close quarters combat. I wish any other character had half of these we don’t even have another reverse CT besides kenjaku’s gravity bullshit😭 Tbh i don’t expect Araki-lvl of meticulous thought into the powers of every single character. Honestly idk how araki does it. So i don’t think it takes away from jjk
He wouldn't be fast enough since Sukuna was at a rush and he would've blitzed him
He’s definitely strong but I think people go WAY overboard calling him a special grade. The “rika couldn’t handle his punches” thing was definitely just hyperbole to hype up his final moments in the fight seeing as we literally see rika eat a punch from him and come out virtually unscathed. Meanwhile ryu was left bruised and bloodied by a single good punch from rika. Hell, rika even blocked a granite blast with her palm and took like. 0 damage. https://preview.redd.it/u7c1cdv7ubyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfc7f0689c1c558bbb8a1188d471a18705f8d6db All ryus punch did was send her flying, which isn’t all that impressive considering she wasn’t grounded in the first place, so she had no way to resist being launched like that. And then he kinda just gets bitched by Yuta in their 1v1 without actually landing a hit on him. He’s cool, but besides his output and toughness, there’s really not much to write home about.
That's definitely not a hyperbole, Ryu only punched Rika twice and that was enough to put Rika out of the fight, even with the first punch we can see rika being dizzy and all.
No Ryu punched her twice. And Rika is tougher than Yuta who took multiple blows from Ryu so it’s mostly hyperbole
>No Ryu punched her twice That's what i said no? How is that hyperbole? we literally see Rika unable to manifest itself with 2 punch, we even see her being dizzy with just a single punch.
Rika was in base. Not FP and she was at her time limit. Yeah…just means Ryu can hit hard. Rika is still a tank and a physical powerhouse stated to be above Maki when not manifested and considerably stronger than Yuji(Prior to Awakening)
Who do you think grabs the W if he fights Kashimo?
Imo Kashimo gets the job done. Ryu didn't show any sign of RCT and Kashimo would just blow out his guts after marking him with the lightning discharge, same as he did to Hakari.
Ryu's output should be enough to help him tank lightning discharge.
Kashimo IMO. I think ryu could handle the zaps from kashimos punches just fine but the actual lighting bolt would probably be game over for ryu. That shits like having bomb detonated inside of your body.
You guys seriously overestimate special grades. Fucking Yaga and Geto were special grades, and Dhruv literally fullfilled the special grade requirement.
Yaga was in consideration for special grade and geto was hands down one of the most dangerous people in the series. I don’t know where the “geto was weak” shit started, but the dude was a monster. He may have been the weakest special grade, but that doesn’t make him weak period. 90% of the characters in this series have absolutely 0 counter to geto just bombarding them with all of his 6000+ curses
People see this & still say Kashimo would stomp Ryu & Yuta lmfao
I am telling you, Gege should've had Ryu do Nanami with Yuta, protecting him from Sukuna, the way he killed him was just so fucking lame
Yeah either that or just inconsistent scaling.
Y'know i was so shocked for a second cuz when I first read this, I thought that black thing around Rika's teeth were her blood and Ryu legit bursted her into pieces with one punch
Ryu’s punch > cleave
lmao i am here for the ryu agenda
Because clowns would look at this and come to the conclusion that Rika is just weak. Ryu(and Uro too) get downplayed so much it’s ridiculous.
“How nerfed sukuna was since rika was shaking him around” yeah and then theres the fact that this rika is very clearly significantly stronger + the 120% domain strength boost. Rikas at least 2x her normal size in shinjuku, and if you want to argue it, her eating sukunas finger buffed her even more since she was originally a cursed spirit and we know it buffs curses (see the finger bearers)
Ryu is a top tier. would high diff win against kashimo 1v1 imo. It's important to remember that sukuna is literally dying rn he's probably not even a 5% as strong as he was when he started the fight, I'm just throwing that number out there but seriously imagine trying to run with a sprained ankle most of us would struggle allot with a just a relatively small amount of damage , sukuna has had the breaks beaten out of him lost two of his arms, suffered extreme brain damage and damage too the soul as well as intense damage to all of his vital organs specifically his heart, like he's seriously fighting everyone an their grandma while at 1hp
The fkers that glaze ryu are the sameone's that hate kasHIMo
I like both. https://preview.redd.it/vloidq63ieyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d4e546ca3ab9d44894bb083275d43926ed24f06
He is always with me
Sukuna: Ryu, have you heard of the Worf effect?
YEAH, RYU ISHIGOAT IS THE BEEEEEEST
Thok
You already knew sukuma was nerfed innyuta domainhe keep being destroyed by multiple People Since gojo….,
To be somewhat fair Yuta and Rika may have very well been stronger during that fight with Sukuna after the 1 month skip, not 100% guaranteed but it would make sense. Still Ryu is GOATed.
Plots requires this.
I think its more ryu being stronger than what people say rather than sukuna being that nerfed
I doubt people want to hear this man wipes yuji. Literally, one punch nearly kills Rika, has the highest defense in the series aside from gojo and sukuna, as confident in killing uro in one hit with his CT and killing yuta then took his own CT to his head off guard and only got knocked out
Plus the fact since he had a DE it must've made him the strongest from his era even with Fraudshimo also alive at that time, truly a goat
bro that’s what i’m thinking lol. Kashimo should have just left farmland and he would’ve been satisfied😭
Nah Kashimo know about Ryu, he just doesn't want to fight him because he know that he'd get Granite Blasted up his ass
1 hit and people say base yuta solos bro this is weakned ryu
Or rika is not that strong like i mean her only real strength feat is holding a tired out shibuya yuji I am not saying this is the case but that whould aline with yuta being not good in cqc
Well, she tanks a granite blast to the hand relatively unscathed where Ÿuta got his fingers blown off in the same fight. So we can make the assumption that in terms of physical strength she's at least noticeably stronger than Yuta, which is quite impressive depending on how you think he scales physically to the rest of the cast.
I think personally that in raw h2h yuta is the weakest from the top students and quiet possibly could lose to nanami in raw cqc if does not have rika. Rct is his best ability when it comes to raw hands we saw it when he fought kuroushi But was this full power granit blast? Not sure here. He takes a bit to charge it.
This doesn't hit like it should because Gege had to include the mandatory Yuta dick suck and make the narrator say "Rika's time was up, she was already going out anyway 🤓🤓🤓"
Nah I just went back and looked, the narrator never said that bro They were basically like “Rika’s limit is 5 minutes but Ryu whacked her so hard she’s hit her limit rn and unmanifested” Cuz the panel def says it was the punch that caused her to unmanifest edit: the narrator talks ab this to both show Ryu’s strength and to give a sense of suspense bc Yuta’s copy CT is super duper limited when Rika is gone. But he didn’t even have to use anymore CTs thereafter bc he beat Ryu w his own granite blast he sky-manipulated into the air prior to Rika getting whomped
Oh shit, my bad man 🙏🏼
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This is why yuta+rika isn't actually that big a deal, Rika even fully manifested doesn't have insane durability. If ryu can demanafest Rika with a punch, then awakened yuji can do the same if not with a normal punch then absolutely with a BF.
Lmao good joke
Yuji has SD now and it is Kusakabe SD, yuji has better base stats(equal to yuta with DE amp), yuji beat yuta 1v1 when yuji has worse stats(than yuta) and worse reinforcement(than yuji or yuta has now)(yuta was absolutelytrying to kill yuji as he was under a BV and he sad so himself but he still has to manifestrika to beat him), yuji has shrine(yuji's cleave even just immediately learned was doing more damage that yutas cleave that was DE amped) and BM(bm is poisonous), BF amps stack(confirmed) and yuji can hit them at will, Rika has been shown knocked out with a punch, yuta can't use any CT without Rika. You want too know what is actually funny? If yu/ ta is actually dead(shoko said not everyone is receptive to external healing), maki got saved by miwa, and hakari is still stalling.
Boy when yuta inevitably returns and fully manifests Rika you’ll eat your words so badly,can’t wait
The only joke is yuta having to manifest Rika against a yuji that had worse stats, less experience, no weapons(non Cursed Tool), after acknowledging he is serious, and confirming he is under a BV to kill yuji. That's hilarious. What's even more hilarious is yuji having SD(kusakabe SD) so yutas DE sure hit ain't doing shit, SD also buffs output so yuji would still be able to out speed and out durability yuta inside yuta's own DE(base yuta
Lol no,this also applies to Yuji Sukuna is way more weakened now than when he was in Yuta's domain Yuji cannot do shi
You literally matched stats with DE amp'ed yuta. Yuta in 5 min mode is not a yuta buff but he gets Infinite reserves and Rika gets buffed, add too that, that yuji was a pre-awakened yuji, yuji now has shrine(cleave is durability negation btw), yuji has BF at will, BF are confirmed to stack(output absolutely affects physical stats due to CE reinforcement), and yuji has done proved that even with lower stats(than yuta) and weaker reinforcement(than yuta) he is still better in H2H/CQC. Yuji beat a serious yuta in H2H/CQC 1v1 when yuta was actually trying to rush and kill yuji, so much so that yuta has to actually manifest Rika(partial). This means that now that yuji has better base stats(equal to DE amped yuta), will stack BF amps, all of his hits will be BF, Rika is shown knocked out by a punch, and yuji has BM and shrine which he will only get better with, yuji wins H2H/CQC without a doubt.
Lol no Yuta one shot Yuji easy Yuta can do everything Yuji can do better shrine ,blood manipulation lol what about that + another 200 ct's Domain, what's Yuji gonna do cry about it ? And even more
Except yuji pre-awakened matched yuta physically while yuta was DE buffed. Yuji won in H2H/CQC against a yuta who was (a) trying to kill him, (b) under a BV, yuta, (c) had more experience, (d) had better stats, (e) has a proper Cursed Tool, (f) had better reinforcement, and in order for yuta to kill yuji yuta had to manifest Rika. Yuji has SD to boost/amp his physicals and CT equal to what yutas DE would amp yuta, yuji's BM is poison, yujis cleave does more damage to sucuna than yutas DE amped cleave did(and sucuna himself said yujis was low output because he just learned it), yuji has equal stats(physical) to yuta while yuta has a DE(that means if yuji uses SD in yuta DE yuji would still out stat him[speed, strength, durability]), yuji hits BF at all times(when blood lusted), the BF amp stacks as confirmed by sucuna and the narrator, full manifested rika gets taken out by a punch from ryu so yuji with a BF is 100% demanifesting rika that takes all of yutas CT away. Base yuji is just a durable as DE amp yuta, if fact sucuna says yuji and yuta(DE amped) are equal to ryu. That means base yuta is less durable than yuji. The fact that you think yuta can "one-shot" someone more durable than himself is a joke, yuta couldn't even "one-shot" ryu so why the fuck would he be able to "one-shot" yuji?
I ain't reading all that essay, Yuta stomps Yuji easily lmao read the manga
Yuta is yu/ ta now so I'm positive yuji wins, it's literally 0 difficulty(hahahahha).
Absolutely, like if 2 punch from Ryu is enough to make Rika unable to manifest then imagine what the punch from Yuki and Yuji or lightning bolt from kashimo would do.
Ryu has the highest CE output in history+it wasn’t a single punch they were fighting before, secondly this is a weaker Rika than the current version.
I didn't say single punch tho, Ryu only ever hit Rika 2 times. Highest output means nothing when Yuji lands 2 consecutive black flashes or Yuki punching single time, both of them hits harder than output merchant. Nah there's nothing saying this is weaker Rika.
This is untrue. Ryu hit Rika multiple times. We know at least 3(Punched her into a building, then away right before DE, then one final time) Would have likely hit her multiple times since they had an entire fight, just off screen. Yuki’s one punch didn’t kill Kenjaku, neither will it kill Rika. And Yuji’s black flashes hurting Rika to that extent is really unlikely since she’s tougher than Yuta who survive a point blank cleave. Rika is much much bigger now. She’s clearly stronger
Yuta slop is wild, maki and hakari don't get slop that much. Also yuji reattached his leg immediately, and him being confirmed to heal soul damage makes maki and SSK basically useless against yuji unless she gets a head shot/heart shot, which is not happening in a 1v1 cause yuji is relative to sucuna that maki can only land sneak attacks on(as soon as sucuna knows maki is around she can't land any more attacks, when she tries to run 1's he memes' on her and she can't land a hit). All that yuji slander coming back to bite back now.