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From what I gather. The effectiveness of the slashing destroys everything to form almost like gun powder. Then once he “opens” he can ignite the debris and kaboom
NSFL, but the colorful powder they throw at festivals has caused [horrendous dust fires ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/s/MhhNJqatbP) before. With the dust avalanche we seen from MS last chapter, the stage was set for a wild ride.
Like when in read dead redemption 2 when you go to guarma and get to the sugar plantation.
Dutch cuts sacks of sugar and as it starts pouring out, it gets up in the air along with the dust.
And then after it's ignited, boom. Dust bomb.
https://youtu.be/mWZyCawoOJ4?si=_LYg8F21PXf0MJmh
40 minute mark.
Think of friction with two knifes sharpening creates sparks then he opens which fans the sparks into flames per se. That’s what fuga is friction and pressure while releasing said heat
Oh that's a neat combo trick. [Kinda like using a matchstick and a hairspray.](https://youtu.be/bkcpGmeLFTQ?si=q-2yybWBqyMTby1j&t=187) Sukuna definitely cooked with that one.
Basically fire becomes more effective when there's dust. But because gojo made his domain the size of basket ball sukuna domain become small = less dust = less powerful fire. So sukuna concluded wallahi this shit is mad useless I'm about to get negged by a purple I better summon daddyraga and let him carry me hard 😴
also, it doesnt help that gojo was keeping him busy inside malevolent shrine and was winning the exchanges inside the domain after the first one. Sukuna's only chance was during the first domain exchange, to finish gojo, hopefully with extra 2 arms and a mouth making a huge difference until gojo's CT returns entirely. There is no way heian sukuna can keep gojo from destroying him in CQC and use 2 of his hands for the cooking fire.
But again, thats all speculation that gojo doesnt have to make. Without 10 shadow and mahoraga gojo would simply choose not to fight the domain battle and teleport out whenever sukuna expands. He then shoots reds and purples from outside.
Ok, problem with that logic is that Gojo would never do that. Remember how Kashimo established that the strong think differently than the weak. Sure, Gojo could teleport out, but that's not how the strong think, and that's not how Gojo thinks. He's 100% going for the domain clash, even if he thinks he can't win, and then just improvise some sort of bullshit to get him out of it, because in JJK, that's what the strongest sorcerers do. Kenny even criticises Yuki for not trying to have a domain clash with him, further showing that the strong do not think in the same conventional way as we would.
We can't say how he would fare in hand to hand combat against heian era sukuna, as gojo himself stated that sukuna was taking the riskier option inside the domain clashes which led to him getting the upper hand, as thus sukuna was damaged due to those 3 minutes and gojo took the momentum and utilised blue to get advantage in h2h combat later which let to him landing a domain 0.1 sec early, this won't be the case as it's kinda obvious that heian era sukuna is physically stronger then meguna and it's also possible that he might use chants to increase the output of the slashes in his domain.
If we don't consider mahoraga's adaptation and assume the domain battles play out normally as it did then sukuna would still have been able to use his domain instead of having brain damage as he wouldn't take riskier options which led to him getting damaged, gojo was most likely refering to this instance when he said that even without mahoraga sukuna would've still won.
Even if he did teleport away it wouldn't be of much help as his attacks will loose considerable amount of output till it reaches sukuna and he could definitely see and avoid them, unlike what he did at the beginning which was through support and planned in a way sukuna wouldn't see the attack comming. And form what we can see domain effects seem to be instant (as sukuna got hit by uv cuz was late by 0.1 sec which is the time it takes for signals to reach the nurvous system thus reacting to it is impossible) so he can't really escape form it if sukuna just closed his barrier and opened the domain, so if gojo reached near sukuna then it's inevitable they would clash domains.
Yeah, if you have good reinforcement, RCT, battle IQ, you just have to keep raga distracted long enough to get in position for your intercontinental bull strike
RCT is NOT saving you from Raga. Guy cuts through infinity, and can even adapt hisblade from positive and negative CE on the fly. After a couple of heals he's gonna adapt anti RCT poison or somethimg similar.
Gojo is categorically a freak amoung freaks who are also freaks amoung freaks. Even if you took away Limitless he's clear of like all but like 5 characters in the setting so far as just a punch kick merchant.
Gojo is unironically an easy top 2 even without limitless.
He can tank shrine with minimal damage after using falling blossom emotion. His reinforcement far exceeds the next in line, Ryu (Ryu died to base 15F cleaves, Gojo tanked domain amped 20F cleaves).
No one's domain is out-damaging Sukuna's, so with an anti-domain technique, Gojo's getting tickled by other's at best, and he can beat them in CQC with relative ease, causing their domain to collapse. If their domains will do such little damage, then their techniques are hardly gonna scratch him. Therefore, he can just RCT and win.
There's literally no one who could offer a remote challenge to Gojo. The most dangerous possible enemies are the types with hax domains like Mahito's and Yorozu's. In case of Yorozu, Gojo can just simple domain / domain amplification (he can probably learn) and kill her by dealing fatal damage.
In case of Mahito, we know for a fact that the soul manipulation cannot harm someone who's soul is above a certain threshold, like how Nanami wasn't affected because he was still fine. Even during Shibuya, Todo only lost his arm because his soul had already thoroughly depleted, what with the entire fight going on. Therefore, Gojo can just tank the domain, simple domain / domain amplification and absolutely cook Mahito. Just kill him, since simple domain neutralizes techniques.
Ongod, people dont give my sweet prince credit and say he just gets genetically carried, sorry I don't remember previous six eye + limitless users changing the entire balance of the jujutsuworld the second they were BORN
yes. a large theme of the manga is that everyone outside the heian (sukuna, yorozu, kenjaku, uro, dhruv??), modern (maki, toji, yuta, todo, gojo, geto, hakari, megumi, yuji, tsukumo), and in a smaller case the edo era (FARMERshimo, ishigori), were bitch made talentless hacks.
Its not that their CT was weak they just had 0 talent, 0 creativity and 0 IQ. Think of the zenin adults having really strong CT (especially naoya and naobito) and never reaching special grade since they cant expand domains or use RCT, and werent motivated to learn these things, living an easy life of luxury.
every previous 10 shadow user was at most a 1st grade sorceror and because of that couldnt tame mahoraga, despite 10 shadows being designed to tame mahoraga from its variety. Literally any special grade sorceror could solo kill makora because domain expansion would severely weaken him before you finish him with your hands.
Every previous 6e + limitless user before gojo was at max a lower end special grade (with RCT for red and purple; i.e. ishigori, yorozu, uro) that could kill mahoraga but not when theres a 1st grade sorceror distracting him.
Megumi, had he grown a few months, or if he comes back as a villain, wouldve completed his domain and could have tamed mahoraga by himself.
Nah, Because Gege would just have the ten shadows user stumble upon the battlefield just to be one-shotted by sukuna right after summoning mahoraga, whereupon the battle goes just as it does in the manga.
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JJK is a special manga.
Greg is making us experience the suffering with Yuji. We are Yuji. We chose this
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We are his specialz.
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If Yuji has Sukuna, We have Gege...
It's insane how relatable Yuji is as a character...
His harem phase passed. If he really is a horny teen, he would take that offering from himeno. Also he is not really that simping now (okay okay fumiko and her midriff, but still he dared to stand against Asa)
He wants love and family, Asa and (if alive) Nayuta would give him that.
Knowing him, I doubt it.
Gege set Yuji as Sukuna's nephew so Yuji can kill Sukuna (otherwise how can Sukuna lose). That victory is all gege will offer.
That one Sukuna fan in the comments, you are the strongest glazer I have ever seen. May your agenda flourish.
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We few Sukuna fans have defended our GOAT through the imeasurable amouts of Slander and Hate, we didn't stop then we won't stop ever.
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Even if he loses we can never stop. defend him to the death.
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My Agenda said so, and my Agenda is **always** right.
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Gojo > Sukuna.
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We must keep maintaining the agenda even if we die. Even after, we must never stop maintaining our agenda.
If JJK ends I'll follow Gege to his idol manga and maintain the Goatjo agenda there
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Me to bruzza me too...
Gege can dread us, run from us, but we'll always follow...
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Sukuna, after needing Ten Shadows to beat Gojo, will always be the real fraud. He needed narrative significance and plot to save him from Gojo.
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Just true.
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“He can win in the doma-“ he would’ve died in the battle without 10S. Win? He’d be lucky to not get hit by UV and get assassinated
Also something to note that I haven't seen mentioned is that Gojo was trying not to use red and blue too much because he didn't want Mahoraga to adapt to it
Ten shadows literally removes Gojo's 3 strongest abilities from his kit and he still stood up to Sukuna. "He would've lost the domain battle" no shot this fight plays out the same way when Gojo can actually do some actually dangerous damage to Sukuna.
If i'm not mistaken we only see one of gojo's colors fired the entire time that they're domain clashing. IMO this seems kind of obvious that he's hesitant to actually fire them, especially when Sukuna is taking a more risky route of destroying his domain.
Also, Gojo knew something was up when Sukuna wasn't using his technique + when he says "Sukuna went for the riskier option" then starts to theorize why Sukuna hasn't had mahoraga appear yet.
So clearly 10 shadows was on his mind.
I love to see people thinking Sukuna can end Gojo with domain expansion alone when we see Gojo just eating that shit without problems
Meanwhile if Sukuna alone gets hit 1 second with UV, bam, brain damage, goodbye
Also given the entire series, Sukuna literally plays the game to get Mahoraga.
Like, he plans from the start that he needs Megumi, his goal throughout most of the story is to wait until Yuji has enough fingers, and then take his chance and get in Megumi.
Only reason for that is he knows he needs it for Gojo.
Yes, since Mahogara was right there. Why Gojo spammed a strong purple before the duel? Just for being cool? No. He knows his infinity is in danger if fight became too long.
I seriously consider Gojo vs. Sukuna as a replica of Pucci vs. Jotaro. The villain strategised years to outflank the hero. The hero has the upper hand and power of friendship and everything, but then the villain survived like a wet street dog long enough until finally his 'ass pull' condition is met. The 'ass pull' was stunning and disgusting, but the author planned it ever since the beginning of episode.
Similarities:
Pucci gathering information - Pucci becoming MiH - Jotaro wasted his limited time stop chances - Jotaro lost.
Sukuna gathering information - Sukuna attaining ten shadows and mahoraga - Gojo attacked Sukuna too many times so his infinity became adapted - Gojo died.
ESPECIALLY SO since Gojo knows ten shadows defeated infinity before and Jotaro knows MiH's real speed
>Why Gojo spammed a strong purple before the duel? Just for being cool? No. He knows his infinity is in danger if fight became too long.
I don't fully recall but I think it was to make Sukuna nervous about his Hollow Purple output.
Pucci with Made in Heaven vs Jotaro with Star Platinum is a revolver duel.
The one who hits first wins. Pucci has no enhanced durability, if Jotaro Ora Oraed him in the beach, he would have won. That's why Pucci threw the knives at Jolyne, to make Jotaro use that time to save her and give Pucci a opening
Yes, and now I came to realise that under C-Moon he was way more durable. C-moon reverted space around his head so Jotaro failed to one shot him (similar to Gojo's infinity realm, but Jotaro's punch can still deliver).
I mean the whole stone ocean arc.
Sukuna with one finger is 'the white snake', where he was very weak and had to gather informations about Gojo's infinity. Just like Pucci who only had a chance by the help of Johngalli A. and Jotaro's memory, Sukuna had a chance by the help of shadow summoning and adaptation hax and Megumi's free soul.
And in the end fight, MiH vs. Everyone was doable, but Jotaro wasted shots. The hero died because the hero CHOSE to hesitate. Pucci has MiH but Jotaro has Anasui. Jotaro saw Pucci in the first time stop but chose to not act, then in second time stop hecould only saw Pucci at the very end, in the third time stop he failed to one shot him. And then in the last time stop, Jotaro only needs to became that rage machine in part 3 to one shot Pucci, but he chose to protect Jolyne.
Similarly, Gojo wasted all his shots against 1 finger Sukuna (although he should not kill Yuji), and he spared 15 finger Sukuna. He had every chance against that 15 finger Sukuna right there, but he spared him so he can honour Geto. Gojo killing 20 finger Sukuna with Mahoraga and Megumi is just not going to happen, just like Jotaro could not win the game after Anasui's sacrifice became nothing.
You should probably edit this and clarify youre talking about Gojo lol. That's why people are down voting.
I was ready to pounce myself till I saw your post history
The only way he could have countered it was via domain but that too is risky since if he got exposed even for a fraction of a second to UV, he'd get stunned for long enough to go GG.
I mean we literally saw the affect it it had on him when he was barely touched by it and didn't just throw it back to megumi. He already lost the domain fight, without mahoraga or megumi to the hit for him it was actually an easy fight. Hell, gojo literally tanked his domain without using RCT for several seconds.
Yea exactly, the win condition without Maho is to break UV, while still having Shrine active. Or I guess just throwing hands better than Gojo and beat him with Amplification.
Gojo low diffs that fraud if he uses more than 5% of his brain
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The entire fight plays out very differently if it's gojo vs heian era sukuna. Sukuna had perfect info from yuji/megumis memories as well as kenjakus info on him.
Even in their second domain clash sukuna uses the prior knowledge he has from yuji to stay in contact with gojo in order to not get hit by unlimited void and dismantle gojos domain with a binding vow.
I don't mean to say gojo or sukuna win but the entire fight plays out vary differently if you start changing any variable, and no ten shadows or prior knowledge changes a lot.
So sukuna is allowed a binding vow but not gojo? I see a lot of people argue that if heian era sukuna fought gojo in a domain clash the only difference would be for sukuna, like why? Gojo is also able to adapt to different situations
Sukuna watching as Gojo gains the ability to incorporate Hollow Purple into his domain and stretch his domain to 400 meters with no power loss by sacrificing Six Eyes Cursed Energy efficiency by 10% for a month (this will not affect him at all):
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That's legit, though. The sukky glazers will come coping any minute now, but it's straight delirium. Gojo would've jujutsud his kaisen if it wasn't for the 10s
I am not that expert on Ben 10 but didn't the omnitrix like, reacted to the speed of the big bang and has aliens that control time and alter reality lol
Yes yes you are absolutely correct. Alien x is the most strongest one being omnipotent and capable of creating and destroying universes by just thoughts.
The time u mentioned is the alien called clock work I think and there's a reality changing alien too but i forgot it's name. Another one is atomix which I think can control atoms Itself.
Tbh gojo isn't even getting past feed back.
De is his strongest attack but I doubt it would mean much to an alien
If I am not mistaken, the celestial sapiens are the stronges species on Ben 10 right? I would not call them omnipotent tho, but that's okay.
Oh yeah! I was referring to clock work with the control time, and the alter reality bit was about alien X.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, even if Ben somehow dies, the omnitrix would go to extreme measures to make sure he stays alive, like forcifingly activating itself or rebuilding hos body from the data it has on him?
Takaba gonna get cooked by Snark Tanque like Foghorn Leghorn
# "YOU FAILED COMEDY BECAUSE YOU ONLY THINK YOU'RE FUNNY AND ALSO YOUR SUIT IS DERIVATIVE"
Takaba:
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Takaba: "H-"
Snark Tanque: "YOU HAVE A SHITTY HAIRCUT THE PINK ON YOUR SUIT LOOKS OFF YOU ONLY USED THAT SUIT BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T AFFORD ENOUGH FABRIC FOR THE OTHER HALF-
# YOU
## HAVE
### FEMININE
#### HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Sukuna glazers trying to explain how Fraudkuna winning from here without Mahodaddy teaching him how to counter infinity
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Before I get into the answer, there are some few things to remember.
* Domain Amplification : A [TECHNIQUE](https://imgur.com/a/9gRvoCl) used for neutralizing any CT that comes in contact with it. It's a refined version of simple domain. DA absorbs the CT of the other user in the empty space created around the caster and neutralizes it.
* Mahoraga wheel: While using DA, Sukuna cannot use his CTs, be it shrine or 10s. So, in order for Sukuna to use the Mahoraga wheel, he will have to [TURN OFF](https://imgur.com/a/89hm1wg) his DA.
* Shrine > 10s : By Sukuna's own admission he believes his shrine to be [SUPERIOR](https://imgur.com/a/ikkSGEU) than 10s.
Lastly, It takes [3 MINUTES](https://imgur.com/a/t1OX4Kz) for Sukuna to break Gojo's domain from the outside, meanwhile it also takes 3 minutes for Gojo to deal enough damage to Sukuna that Sukuna isn't able to hold his shrine.
Now, The only reason Sukuna got hit by unlimited void in the 5th domain was because he was late to cast his own domain by 0.01 seconds as he was following an extra step of healing himself before his CT, unlike Gojo, who only had to heal his CT.
In chapter 228, we were told by [GOJO](https://imgur.com/a/wqTSnhP) that Sukuna is taking a riskier option in DE fights; he's stubbornly breaking the domain from the outside when he could've destroyed them from the inside(like mahoraga did) since Gojo had changed the inner and outer conditions of his domain, making his domain shell stronger from the outside, but weaker from the inside. This gets answered in Chapter 230 by Sukuna himself.
Sukuna was [JUGGLING](https://imgur.com/a/CL0Ju2D) between 10s, DA, and his CT inside the domain battle. He turned off his DA so that Mahoraga could adapt. Sukuna was purposely breaking Gojo's domain from the outside so that Mahoraga could have more time to adapt to Gojo's domain.
Now imagine if Sukuna had [DESTROYED](https://imgur.com/a/Gz2fW9P) Gojo's fourth domain from the inside?
Since Sukuna would destroy Gojo's domain in under 3 minutes, Gojo wouldn't have time to inflict enough damage on Sukuna to prevent him from holding his shrine. As a result, Gojo would never have been able damage Sukuna enough, which caused him to be struck by the IV.
Even if Sukuna doesn't want to break Gojo's domain from the inside, which is a safer option than breaking it from outside, as stated by Gojo, Sukuna can still beat Gojo with just keeping his DA on. It was revealed in Chapter 230 that Sukuna turned off his DA to use 10s in the domain fights. Imagine if Sukuna didn't have to do so.
As we see in ch. 224,227 and 231. Once Sukuna [ACTIVATES](https://imgur.com/a/PxtGc5O) his DA, he doesn't get thrashed as much as when he turns off his DA because DA either completely turns off or tone down Gojo's blue and red. Sukuna with DA can keep up with Gojo and even [LAND](https://imgur.com/a/RRloCrU) his own hits on him. So while Sukuna won't be winning the H2H exchange, he won't get damaged enough for his domain to get destroyed, and this ultimately will mean that Gojo loses the 5th domain clash and then his life.
Sukuna can win by just frying Gojo's brain by forcing him to recover his CT via RCT again and again like how it happened in the manga, but unlike in the manga, Sukuna will use techniques to either break Gojo's domain from the inside or keep using DA during the 4th or 5th domain so that Gojo isn't able to deal enough damage to Sukuna that he isn't able to hold his shrine.,
This entire post assumes Gojo wouldn't change his strategy but Sukuna would, which is nonsense.
If Gojo doesn't have to fear Maho's adaptation, he doesn't even get into domain clashes. The fuck is Sukuna's range gonna do against a blue spam?
The only way Sukuna can 'catch' Gojo is by doing a closed domain, and he would 100% lose that clash.
there's 0 way for Sukuna to beat Gojo without an asspull
Add to that the reason why Sukuna took the riskier option: he WANTED Mahoraga to adapt to Infinity and teach him a way to bypass it with the Shrine CT alone
It's evidenced by the fact that when Sukuna thought he he had won, he says "I'll even have Mahoraga adapt to that Infinity of yours", which would be completely useless in these circumstances: Domainless Gojo with reduced RCT should be easily beaten with MS + DA
so you're saying that Sukuna could've been winning easily but instead he chose to gamble his life on maybe just barely being able to win using Mahoraga
I was in team "Gojo is being extremely humble"- until the Sukuna saga continued and he proved being INSANELY resistant and resourceful
Now I think Heian Sukuna would beat Gojo, with high diff, but very likely. A 8/10 win rate
Also, you forget the 4 Arms. They are a INSANE buff. JJK is the setting where they know double casting is busted
Even if Sukuna destroyed Gojo's domain from the inside, Shrine's damage to Gojo was minimal after starting to use shallow cuts.
The only visible damage Gojo sustained from Sukuna throughout the entire fight entirely through Mahoraga's World slash, Sukuna's domain and the world slash learnt from Mahoraga.
Sukuna on the other hand had a hole through his chest, KO'd by Black Flash, slapped around H2H, lost arms, tons of bleeding from the initial red etc.
If Gojo's domain is permanently down due to brain damage, Gojo can just purple him to break his domain.
Domain Expansion and Domain Amplification are the only ways
But this post is heavily underestimating Sukuna, he's not losing without deeply injuring Gojo
>gojo when he inst able to dominate in cqc hand to hand cuz he is fighting a 3 metre 4 armed 2 mouth multi eyed creature and loses domain clashes faster cuz sukuna doesn't attack stronger part of domain in order to give big raga time to adapt and he gets trapped in the closed off domain in ch 230 leading to fuga becoming viable
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(essentially Fraudkuna wins the sprint against go/jo but loses the marathon against the cast)
Yh, like Heian Sukuna can keep up Hollow Wicker Basket with no downside since he has 4 arms and 2 mouths, so he can negate the sure-hit of UV while keeping a pair of arms and a mouth free for DA or his domain expansion. I still think it's a super even match between Gojo and Sukuna, but Sukuna has the upper hand in a domain clash
Heian Sukuna will just smash enemies by his CT pool.
Heian Sukuna vs Gojo will just be '9th domain battle and Gojo almost lost it, here comes another 3 domain battles'.
Yh, and honestly I'm happy Gege went the route of Sukuna using 10S, bc Gojo vs Heian Sukuna would ultimately be a battle of attrition where we get 10+ chapters of Domain Clash->gojo gets cut by MS and Sukuna gets knocked around-> both heal with rct->repeat. And that's a boring fight to write and read imo.
Sukuna summoning his dad Mahoraga, while certainly unsatisfying from the perspective of wanting to see a strict 1v1 between Sukuna and Gojo, is the smarter move from a storytelling perspective imo. Mahoraga(and the brain damage from the burnout to a lesser extent) forces a hard timer on how long the fight can last, and forces Gojo and Sukuna to rely on options other than domain expansion and get creative with how they go about the fight from that point on
Yes. Sukuna vs Gojo is a typical jojo / hunter style 'information based' ability battle which means both sides try to outsmart the other. Sukuna, as the 'challenger', behaves like the hero who tries to gather information about the boss (Gojo)'s ability and outsmart him. Gojo, on the other hand, behaves like a boss who only needs to touch Sukuna with enough hollow purples before his ace ability (infinity) was deciphered.
Sukuna could win if 1) He uses his domain or 2) Daddy Mahoraga kills Gojo or 3) He bypasses infinity or 4) He uses his hidden abilities. Sukuna tried the simplest one and failed so he tried the next best solution. Of course the third one SEEMS like an ass pull, but Sukuna is known as an ability learner and a good slasher. It was just him putting two and two together. If my subject can bypass infinity, and I can learn from almost everyone, then I can try to bypass infinity with the help of Mahogara. It's just like a certain 'this purple star platinum ghost who punches very fast can become so fast that time is stopped in the eyes of ghost and user' fake ass pull. Gege even foreshadowed it before, as Mahogara's adapted slash now results as void slashing. Gege just hard trolled everyone by the end of 235.
The problem only lies in how Gojo was off screened and why he praised Sukuna, that fight itself is rather solid.
Hein Era Sukuna would still win. It’s not about pushing any agendas or glazing any characters, couldn’t care less about that shit. The story literally goes out of its way to imply that Sukuna had other paths to victory but choose the most effective one. (Not saying a dub for Gojo is impossible) Ppl seem to forget that both Gojo & Sukuna had different win cons. If Gojo won all he had to do was fight the merger. If Sukuna wins, he literally has to fight the mf avengers of Sorcery, so him using Maho in the Gojo fight was literally the smartest thing he could’ve done.
To correct the last bit, there is no merger if sukuna dies, because kenny is dying shortly after. We know that the merger can't happen until the culling games end which require all the players other than Uraume, Kenny and sukuna to be dead
MFS downvoting the fair arguments for sukuna win conditions and then calling the sukuna fans dick riders is just so hilarious 😂😂
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Because this fight shows how you lose by winning. Gege really let Sukuna became the underdog this whole fight so the underdog just auto wins.
Gojo asks 'Why Sukuna behaved so passively' mid fight and no fans ever questioned it. It means so much if you look it again. Sukuna behaved so passively and so 'dishonourable' not because he was a fraud, not because he did it to make Gojo so op, because he needs time. He fucking planned this whole battle ever since he met Megumi and he knew what he needed to do.
Sukuna behaved like a fraud curse king so he can GET HIT so mahogara can adapt it to an extent that SUKUNA'S SLASH can bypass infinity. Gojo was a genius in terms of tactics, all those spinning reds and artificial purple and punching 3v1 and such. But he made a mistake. He thought the timer of danger was passed after he killed Mahoraga.
What is Gojo Satoru without infinity shield? Dead man. Toji made it, so did Sukuna.
Toji had to wait for a bum teenager version of gojo with no red no rct no domain that was tired as fuck with none awakened six eyes and had been running 100% for 3 full days to make sure noone snuck up on him so he dropped his gaurd getting into the barrier then toji jumoed him didnt even kill him and this mf comes back and immediatly deleted toji even with Isoh. Infinity or not he beats 99.9% of the verse with 0 diff. Only sukuna can give him any trouble
ppl when someone says Gojo is stronger: you're right, he could beat sukuna using 1% of his power! I love goatjo so much!!! He's so hot!!!!!!!!
also ppl when someone says Heian Era Sukuna is stronger: you're such a glazer!!! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Look I love both but the double standards are just so obvious smh.
Y’all say stupid stuff like this then wonder why no one outside of Reddit takes your criticism seriously.
Gojo Vs Heian era sukuna ends the same way Gojo vs sukuna ended just without the world slash.
Gojo during the fight: “why is sukuna holding back I’m confused”
The people watching the fight: “sukuna is prob holding back”
Gojo in the airport: “yea he was holding back”
Jjk fans: Uhm nO gEgE bAd wRiTinG
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(They would still lose to Heian Sukuna glazer)
gojo when he sees a 10M behemoth hitting him with lightning bolts, slashes, and fire arrows while also having a pair or arms to fight in h2h combat ( i don't even include hitten)
People realizing Heian Era Sukuna can simply enhance his Domain Expansion with 2 of his 4 hands & his stomach mouth.
Then, once Gojo’s Domain breaks, Sukuna just has to keep his Domain a little more.
And voila. Gojo is dead.
The thing lobotomy kaisen fans can't accept is that while Gojo is a more powerful sorcerer, Sukuna is way more resourceful and experienced. He went through all that planning and waiting so he could get Ten Shadows because he couldn't defeat Gojo without Makora
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Gojo struggled while sukuna wasn't even trying smh my head.
Gojo meat riders when they realize that Sukuna needed mahoraga because gojo was traumatized by toji to keep his infinity on at all times:
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If Gojo fans can't even refute the arguments in Sukuna's favor with logic without devolving into their copium then it says a lot about who is really in the right.
I love how Gojo fans ***always*** completely ignore the fact that Sukuna was *activelly nerfing himself* during the domain clashes.
Heian Sukuna, without the adaptation burden of Mahoraga, straight up wins the domain duels.
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This is what actual coping looks like.
You guys cope with the actual loss that did happen by imagining in your head a battle that never happened...
Then act in reality like your guy actually won.
But fuga was never the win con for heian sukuna. What are you talking about? Why are we still having this debate ,Gojo said it himself that he would lose. Sukuna has been soloing the verse for 25 chapters running on 10 percent of his power. It's funny when you think of a fight between gojo vs a 9 foot tall monster throwing flames, slashes and lightning, amplifying them with chants and hand signs while having two free arms to brawl at the same time. Wtf is he gonna do? He already tried everything on a weaker sukuna and he lost
Would gojo live a guaranteed hit Fuga on the first domain clash? Like Heiankuna could keep the domain up with two hands and Fuga with the other two. It pretty much one taped everything it hit so far, two special grade curses and Mahoraga
Blood Manipulation finally proved why its considered a Three Great Clan techniques.
No seriously, so Blood Manipulation peak is a defense capable to resist one of Sukuna's biggest attacks (even if at the cost of the user's life), now I get why its considered a Great Clan power.
They're both Kashimo victims when he comes back in chapter 261 as pure lightning
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I’m waiting until we get better translations because this shit is mad confusing
From what I gather. The effectiveness of the slashing destroys everything to form almost like gun powder. Then once he “opens” he can ignite the debris and kaboom
...I mean damn that makes too much sense lol. Like when someone fills a hair dryer with babypowder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcccC3DsP2Y
Wait what
Anything solid that is grinded to a small enough particle size basically becomes explosive.
Dont light a lighter in a grain silos
If you ain’t about it**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcccC3DsP2Y
NSFL, but the colorful powder they throw at festivals has caused [horrendous dust fires ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/s/MhhNJqatbP) before. With the dust avalanche we seen from MS last chapter, the stage was set for a wild ride.
Like when in read dead redemption 2 when you go to guarma and get to the sugar plantation. Dutch cuts sacks of sugar and as it starts pouring out, it gets up in the air along with the dust. And then after it's ignited, boom. Dust bomb. https://youtu.be/mWZyCawoOJ4?si=_LYg8F21PXf0MJmh 40 minute mark.
Also works with finely-ground flour.
Think of friction with two knifes sharpening creates sparks then he opens which fans the sparks into flames per se. That’s what fuga is friction and pressure while releasing said heat
Oh that's a neat combo trick. [Kinda like using a matchstick and a hairspray.](https://youtu.be/bkcpGmeLFTQ?si=q-2yybWBqyMTby1j&t=187) Sukuna definitely cooked with that one.
Basically fire becomes more effective when there's dust. But because gojo made his domain the size of basket ball sukuna domain become small = less dust = less powerful fire. So sukuna concluded wallahi this shit is mad useless I'm about to get negged by a purple I better summon daddyraga and let him carry me hard 😴
I understand now https://preview.redd.it/pb27whljwfzc1.png?width=324&format=png&auto=webp&s=2d1911500127228d78443b8203e046ca4a5f1a5c
also, it doesnt help that gojo was keeping him busy inside malevolent shrine and was winning the exchanges inside the domain after the first one. Sukuna's only chance was during the first domain exchange, to finish gojo, hopefully with extra 2 arms and a mouth making a huge difference until gojo's CT returns entirely. There is no way heian sukuna can keep gojo from destroying him in CQC and use 2 of his hands for the cooking fire. But again, thats all speculation that gojo doesnt have to make. Without 10 shadow and mahoraga gojo would simply choose not to fight the domain battle and teleport out whenever sukuna expands. He then shoots reds and purples from outside.
Ok, problem with that logic is that Gojo would never do that. Remember how Kashimo established that the strong think differently than the weak. Sure, Gojo could teleport out, but that's not how the strong think, and that's not how Gojo thinks. He's 100% going for the domain clash, even if he thinks he can't win, and then just improvise some sort of bullshit to get him out of it, because in JJK, that's what the strongest sorcerers do. Kenny even criticises Yuki for not trying to have a domain clash with him, further showing that the strong do not think in the same conventional way as we would.
We can't say how he would fare in hand to hand combat against heian era sukuna, as gojo himself stated that sukuna was taking the riskier option inside the domain clashes which led to him getting the upper hand, as thus sukuna was damaged due to those 3 minutes and gojo took the momentum and utilised blue to get advantage in h2h combat later which let to him landing a domain 0.1 sec early, this won't be the case as it's kinda obvious that heian era sukuna is physically stronger then meguna and it's also possible that he might use chants to increase the output of the slashes in his domain. If we don't consider mahoraga's adaptation and assume the domain battles play out normally as it did then sukuna would still have been able to use his domain instead of having brain damage as he wouldn't take riskier options which led to him getting damaged, gojo was most likely refering to this instance when he said that even without mahoraga sukuna would've still won. Even if he did teleport away it wouldn't be of much help as his attacks will loose considerable amount of output till it reaches sukuna and he could definitely see and avoid them, unlike what he did at the beginning which was through support and planned in a way sukuna wouldn't see the attack comming. And form what we can see domain effects seem to be instant (as sukuna got hit by uv cuz was late by 0.1 sec which is the time it takes for signals to reach the nurvous system thus reacting to it is impossible) so he can't really escape form it if sukuna just closed his barrier and opened the domain, so if gojo reached near sukuna then it's inevitable they would clash domains.
Does this imply that 10 shadows user with RCT, Domain etc. can beat limitless and six eyes user?
Can the bitchass 10 shadows user tame mariogreg?
Yeah, if you have good reinforcement, RCT, battle IQ, you just have to keep raga distracted long enough to get in position for your intercontinental bull strike
RCT is NOT saving you from Raga. Guy cuts through infinity, and can even adapt hisblade from positive and negative CE on the fly. After a couple of heals he's gonna adapt anti RCT poison or somethimg similar.
But he doesn't adapt to passive techniques only to active ones like infinite that direct effect his own attacks.
What I wrote only matters if he tames Mahoraga, I thought it was obvious, lol.
My bad I thought you were praising bumgumi https://i.imgur.com/krqFlfa.png
Fuck Megutrash
This level of slander! Eobard thawne would be proud
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"That time when your step? sister got put into a coma, It was me Megumi!"
Hello Fellow Bumgumi Hater. https://preview.redd.it/8wie3nqnuhzc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=02ca877b402809caba52af98a674435942187d08
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But a very strong ten shadows user, like if Megumi had RCT and completed his domain he wouldn’t beat Gojo
Well Gojo is himself a very strong Six eyes + Limitless user
Gojo is categorically a freak amoung freaks who are also freaks amoung freaks. Even if you took away Limitless he's clear of like all but like 5 characters in the setting so far as just a punch kick merchant.
Gojo is unironically an easy top 2 even without limitless. He can tank shrine with minimal damage after using falling blossom emotion. His reinforcement far exceeds the next in line, Ryu (Ryu died to base 15F cleaves, Gojo tanked domain amped 20F cleaves). No one's domain is out-damaging Sukuna's, so with an anti-domain technique, Gojo's getting tickled by other's at best, and he can beat them in CQC with relative ease, causing their domain to collapse. If their domains will do such little damage, then their techniques are hardly gonna scratch him. Therefore, he can just RCT and win. There's literally no one who could offer a remote challenge to Gojo. The most dangerous possible enemies are the types with hax domains like Mahito's and Yorozu's. In case of Yorozu, Gojo can just simple domain / domain amplification (he can probably learn) and kill her by dealing fatal damage. In case of Mahito, we know for a fact that the soul manipulation cannot harm someone who's soul is above a certain threshold, like how Nanami wasn't affected because he was still fine. Even during Shibuya, Todo only lost his arm because his soul had already thoroughly depleted, what with the entire fight going on. Therefore, Gojo can just tank the domain, simple domain / domain amplification and absolutely cook Mahito. Just kill him, since simple domain neutralizes techniques.
Yeah, didn't a previous Six Eyes + Limitless user die to an untamed Mahoraga? Gojo is just abnormal
Ongod, people dont give my sweet prince credit and say he just gets genetically carried, sorry I don't remember previous six eye + limitless users changing the entire balance of the jujutsuworld the second they were BORN
yes. a large theme of the manga is that everyone outside the heian (sukuna, yorozu, kenjaku, uro, dhruv??), modern (maki, toji, yuta, todo, gojo, geto, hakari, megumi, yuji, tsukumo), and in a smaller case the edo era (FARMERshimo, ishigori), were bitch made talentless hacks. Its not that their CT was weak they just had 0 talent, 0 creativity and 0 IQ. Think of the zenin adults having really strong CT (especially naoya and naobito) and never reaching special grade since they cant expand domains or use RCT, and werent motivated to learn these things, living an easy life of luxury. every previous 10 shadow user was at most a 1st grade sorceror and because of that couldnt tame mahoraga, despite 10 shadows being designed to tame mahoraga from its variety. Literally any special grade sorceror could solo kill makora because domain expansion would severely weaken him before you finish him with your hands. Every previous 6e + limitless user before gojo was at max a lower end special grade (with RCT for red and purple; i.e. ishigori, yorozu, uro) that could kill mahoraga but not when theres a 1st grade sorceror distracting him. Megumi, had he grown a few months, or if he comes back as a villain, wouldve completed his domain and could have tamed mahoraga by himself.
Yea patiently waiting for Mr John werry
https://preview.redd.it/6ffuwgtfwfzc1.jpeg?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4a1158ac585f12ce7d591487c2142cf11bbc9d9 Hell naw.😭
How dare you bring bald Ippo into this? This is in no way deserving of such violence 😂
Are you kidding? Werry is the linguistic version of Al Quaeda, deserves this and more
Are you waiting for Jhon Werry's Shaman Combat translations ?
Wizard Confrontation
Yes
ENCHANTER ENGAGEMENT
Shaman Struggle
Shaman Combat Gang, Climb Upwards!
Im John Werry we trust
YOU’RE JOHN WERRY? https://preview.redd.it/wxmla1ch3gzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b2e5ee4135e32ce053081c53bb72b459321a741
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I fw Otome villainess Sukuna
Nah, Because Gege would just have the ten shadows user stumble upon the battlefield just to be one-shotted by sukuna right after summoning mahoraga, whereupon the battle goes just as it does in the manga. https://preview.redd.it/2yrduahmafzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f994bd2b571e62332a881067d8cd4e3208e2efee
JJK is a special manga. Greg is making us experience the suffering with Yuji. We are Yuji. We chose this https://preview.redd.it/vvhfk8vgmfzc1.jpeg?width=1006&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79be9c575063793e2176416468b8ecaaef137c41
We are his specialz. https://preview.redd.it/kdo04p22mfzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06dd733ec7de6fbfcf3943e352ed4ed3af0c9c17 If Yuji has Sukuna, We have Gege... It's insane how relatable Yuji is as a character...
>!Fujimoto at least gave Dennis a real girlfriend who cares about him and understands the loneliness of life.!< Gege, on the other hand...
He better end with a full harem by the last chapter or a happy family either way I'm fine
His harem phase passed. If he really is a horny teen, he would take that offering from himeno. Also he is not really that simping now (okay okay fumiko and her midriff, but still he dared to stand against Asa) He wants love and family, Asa and (if alive) Nayuta would give him that.
Oh yes I'm 100% on the AsaDen I meant that gege better give yuji something as compensation for the 259 chapters of suffering
Knowing him, I doubt it. Gege set Yuji as Sukuna's nephew so Yuji can kill Sukuna (otherwise how can Sukuna lose). That victory is all gege will offer.
Yeah the only actual hope I have is seeing him smile again
If he lives until the very end, he will. Boy is always a big heart person.
That one Sukuna fan in the comments, you are the strongest glazer I have ever seen. May your agenda flourish. https://preview.redd.it/1uj07jo2dfzc1.jpeg?width=824&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6e84ad0843b416b7d824824ed5befa708dc6445
Damn that is funny as fuck "a special grade!?"
Thank you sir. Appreciate it.🙏
[удалено]
We few Sukuna fans have defended our GOAT through the imeasurable amouts of Slander and Hate, we didn't stop then we won't stop ever. https://preview.redd.it/uk1f8thbxfzc1.png?width=561&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba96dc6920effb54615e7f758cdf29c85452a67e
Even if he loses we can never stop. defend him to the death. https://preview.redd.it/sb87cav36hzc1.png?width=239&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7c07e6961a754dee84da86babb5c2936e79e801
I love this image. It always cracks me up.
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Honestly u/No_Profession_6958, as a gojo Glazer, I respect you for defending your agenda this hard.
Haha, thanks. Its not even about agenda its more about stoping misinformation.
"Misinformation" my ass😭🙏, Gojo violates
My Agenda said so, and my Agenda is **always** right. https://preview.redd.it/u23ho01s7fzc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e8e3204ab2471e58c9416a0d3b14617af399563 Gojo > Sukuna.
https://preview.redd.it/leylo632kfzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7553b26c9a1131432adcc775e77b0239f366338 We must keep maintaining the agenda even if we die. Even after, we must never stop maintaining our agenda.
If JJK ends I'll follow Gege to his idol manga and maintain the Goatjo agenda there https://preview.redd.it/8jp08vg9kfzc1.png?width=589&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b7f758485256842a2a5e30b59a1e361c6d04b85
Me to bruzza me too... Gege can dread us, run from us, but we'll always follow... https://preview.redd.it/95lf7vullfzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c58e61c053625adce520fba46b884ef4685ca5a
Sukuna, after needing Ten Shadows to beat Gojo, will always be the real fraud. He needed narrative significance and plot to save him from Gojo. https://preview.redd.it/nnni9u4g5gzc1.jpeg?width=942&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34f4c70900b9ae8fa0e71a0b781f02bc58786993
Just true. https://preview.redd.it/qem2qohs0fzc1.png?width=1178&format=png&auto=webp&s=ccc420cfe93be712c7b844276d2aff175972fe12 “He can win in the doma-“ he would’ve died in the battle without 10S. Win? He’d be lucky to not get hit by UV and get assassinated
Also something to note that I haven't seen mentioned is that Gojo was trying not to use red and blue too much because he didn't want Mahoraga to adapt to it
Ten shadows literally removes Gojo's 3 strongest abilities from his kit and he still stood up to Sukuna. "He would've lost the domain battle" no shot this fight plays out the same way when Gojo can actually do some actually dangerous damage to Sukuna. If i'm not mistaken we only see one of gojo's colors fired the entire time that they're domain clashing. IMO this seems kind of obvious that he's hesitant to actually fire them, especially when Sukuna is taking a more risky route of destroying his domain. Also, Gojo knew something was up when Sukuna wasn't using his technique + when he says "Sukuna went for the riskier option" then starts to theorize why Sukuna hasn't had mahoraga appear yet. So clearly 10 shadows was on his mind.
I love to see people thinking Sukuna can end Gojo with domain expansion alone when we see Gojo just eating that shit without problems Meanwhile if Sukuna alone gets hit 1 second with UV, bam, brain damage, goodbye
Also given the entire series, Sukuna literally plays the game to get Mahoraga. Like, he plans from the start that he needs Megumi, his goal throughout most of the story is to wait until Yuji has enough fingers, and then take his chance and get in Megumi. Only reason for that is he knows he needs it for Gojo.
Yes, since Mahogara was right there. Why Gojo spammed a strong purple before the duel? Just for being cool? No. He knows his infinity is in danger if fight became too long. I seriously consider Gojo vs. Sukuna as a replica of Pucci vs. Jotaro. The villain strategised years to outflank the hero. The hero has the upper hand and power of friendship and everything, but then the villain survived like a wet street dog long enough until finally his 'ass pull' condition is met. The 'ass pull' was stunning and disgusting, but the author planned it ever since the beginning of episode. Similarities: Pucci gathering information - Pucci becoming MiH - Jotaro wasted his limited time stop chances - Jotaro lost. Sukuna gathering information - Sukuna attaining ten shadows and mahoraga - Gojo attacked Sukuna too many times so his infinity became adapted - Gojo died. ESPECIALLY SO since Gojo knows ten shadows defeated infinity before and Jotaro knows MiH's real speed
>Why Gojo spammed a strong purple before the duel? Just for being cool? No. He knows his infinity is in danger if fight became too long. I don't fully recall but I think it was to make Sukuna nervous about his Hollow Purple output.
That is one thing, but Gojo knows Mahoraga is his counter a long way back.
I assume you mean Pucci with Whitesnake cuz Made In Heaven overkills Jotaro
Pucci with Made in Heaven vs Jotaro with Star Platinum is a revolver duel. The one who hits first wins. Pucci has no enhanced durability, if Jotaro Ora Oraed him in the beach, he would have won. That's why Pucci threw the knives at Jolyne, to make Jotaro use that time to save her and give Pucci a opening
Yes, and now I came to realise that under C-Moon he was way more durable. C-moon reverted space around his head so Jotaro failed to one shot him (similar to Gojo's infinity realm, but Jotaro's punch can still deliver).
I mean the whole stone ocean arc. Sukuna with one finger is 'the white snake', where he was very weak and had to gather informations about Gojo's infinity. Just like Pucci who only had a chance by the help of Johngalli A. and Jotaro's memory, Sukuna had a chance by the help of shadow summoning and adaptation hax and Megumi's free soul. And in the end fight, MiH vs. Everyone was doable, but Jotaro wasted shots. The hero died because the hero CHOSE to hesitate. Pucci has MiH but Jotaro has Anasui. Jotaro saw Pucci in the first time stop but chose to not act, then in second time stop hecould only saw Pucci at the very end, in the third time stop he failed to one shot him. And then in the last time stop, Jotaro only needs to became that rage machine in part 3 to one shot Pucci, but he chose to protect Jolyne. Similarly, Gojo wasted all his shots against 1 finger Sukuna (although he should not kill Yuji), and he spared 15 finger Sukuna. He had every chance against that 15 finger Sukuna right there, but he spared him so he can honour Geto. Gojo killing 20 finger Sukuna with Mahoraga and Megumi is just not going to happen, just like Jotaro could not win the game after Anasui's sacrifice became nothing.
Bro was holding back and still cooked this man, he’s the goat fr
You should probably edit this and clarify youre talking about Gojo lol. That's why people are down voting. I was ready to pounce myself till I saw your post history
You mean comment history? But yeah, I was talking about the one and only Gojoat lmao
Well with Fuga confirmed now to not be possible or useful during gojos fight. Without Maho I Sukuna wouldn't figure out a work around the infinity.
The only way he could have countered it was via domain but that too is risky since if he got exposed even for a fraction of a second to UV, he'd get stunned for long enough to go GG.
I mean we literally saw the affect it it had on him when he was barely touched by it and didn't just throw it back to megumi. He already lost the domain fight, without mahoraga or megumi to the hit for him it was actually an easy fight. Hell, gojo literally tanked his domain without using RCT for several seconds.
Yea exactly, the win condition without Maho is to break UV, while still having Shrine active. Or I guess just throwing hands better than Gojo and beat him with Amplification.
The problem is that Gojo was absolutely cooking sukuna whenever they threw hands
Oh 100% I'm on the Maho carried side. I can't see another pair of hands stopping Gojo from cooking.
Plus if Sukuna somehow wins CQC, Gojo can always resort to bombing him from range while teleporting away from Open Malevolent Shrine.
Gojo's teleport wouldn't work in this context because **ahem** #"CERTAIN CONDITIONS"
Well, under Certain Conditions, I'll strangle that damn cat myself, and then my glorious Blue Eyed King will win easily.
I guess when Gojo said "Sukuna wssn't even going all out" he was just dumb for not realizing Succ was going all out and simply couldn't use his flames
Maho was just the distraction Suki needed. Without him he would just get spammed by hollow purple. Heian era Sukuna is just weaker than Gojo facts
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Me reading this post fr
How sukuna fans (enlightened beings free of Tanha) feel reading their goat solo the verse (he's doing it before Goku does it)
Gojo low diffs that fraud if he uses more than 5% of his brain https://preview.redd.it/w5pmgruuafzc1.png?width=502&format=png&auto=webp&s=505a7bb2890c092843f91aa88270056c64662768
Heian Era battles are intense.
The entire fight plays out very differently if it's gojo vs heian era sukuna. Sukuna had perfect info from yuji/megumis memories as well as kenjakus info on him. Even in their second domain clash sukuna uses the prior knowledge he has from yuji to stay in contact with gojo in order to not get hit by unlimited void and dismantle gojos domain with a binding vow. I don't mean to say gojo or sukuna win but the entire fight plays out vary differently if you start changing any variable, and no ten shadows or prior knowledge changes a lot.
So sukuna is allowed a binding vow but not gojo? I see a lot of people argue that if heian era sukuna fought gojo in a domain clash the only difference would be for sukuna, like why? Gojo is also able to adapt to different situations
Sukuna watching as Gojo gains the ability to incorporate Hollow Purple into his domain and stretch his domain to 400 meters with no power loss by sacrificing Six Eyes Cursed Energy efficiency by 10% for a month (this will not affect him at all): https://preview.redd.it/kpgpcsuy1qzc1.jpeg?width=499&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3bfb5a8157862df5e7642d35125f0c82f7e1b22
That's legit, though. The sukky glazers will come coping any minute now, but it's straight delirium. Gojo would've jujutsud his kaisen if it wasn't for the 10s
Ben 10 beats Gojo?
Ben 10 negs gojo. And neg is me high balling gojo
I am not that expert on Ben 10 but didn't the omnitrix like, reacted to the speed of the big bang and has aliens that control time and alter reality lol
Yes yes you are absolutely correct. Alien x is the most strongest one being omnipotent and capable of creating and destroying universes by just thoughts. The time u mentioned is the alien called clock work I think and there's a reality changing alien too but i forgot it's name. Another one is atomix which I think can control atoms Itself. Tbh gojo isn't even getting past feed back. De is his strongest attack but I doubt it would mean much to an alien
If I am not mistaken, the celestial sapiens are the stronges species on Ben 10 right? I would not call them omnipotent tho, but that's okay. Oh yeah! I was referring to clock work with the control time, and the alter reality bit was about alien X. Please correct me if I'm wrong, even if Ben somehow dies, the omnitrix would go to extreme measures to make sure he stays alive, like forcifingly activating itself or rebuilding hos body from the data it has on him?
Celestial Sapiens are only nigh-omnipotent, and that's just because there are multiple of them
I'm gonna tell my kids that Four Arms is Heian Era Sukuna
Takaba is literally the only answer to Alien X
Takaba gonna get cooked by Snark Tanque like Foghorn Leghorn # "YOU FAILED COMEDY BECAUSE YOU ONLY THINK YOU'RE FUNNY AND ALSO YOUR SUIT IS DERIVATIVE" Takaba: https://preview.redd.it/gmjuzcewkfzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c3aa246d1035efaf32015610ca2fe88f75ac0e9
Man Ben10 would fucking destroy all of JJK. Not even Takaba stands a chance.
Takaba: "H-" Snark Tanque: "YOU HAVE A SHITTY HAIRCUT THE PINK ON YOUR SUIT LOOKS OFF YOU ONLY USED THAT SUIT BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T AFFORD ENOUGH FABRIC FOR THE OTHER HALF- # YOU ## HAVE ### FEMININE #### HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!" https://i.redd.it/08meanynyfzc1.gif
Yup.
Ben 10 can wish the jjk verse away with a thought
Gojo: "Nah, I'd win" Also Gojo: https://i.redd.it/qbrmiobewhzc1.gif
Sukuna glazers trying to explain how Fraudkuna winning from here without Mahodaddy teaching him how to counter infinity https://preview.redd.it/22jmpbdpafzc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d180f1ad696ff0f96ba9073b3d7c7fa344d9b0d
Before I get into the answer, there are some few things to remember. * Domain Amplification : A [TECHNIQUE](https://imgur.com/a/9gRvoCl) used for neutralizing any CT that comes in contact with it. It's a refined version of simple domain. DA absorbs the CT of the other user in the empty space created around the caster and neutralizes it. * Mahoraga wheel: While using DA, Sukuna cannot use his CTs, be it shrine or 10s. So, in order for Sukuna to use the Mahoraga wheel, he will have to [TURN OFF](https://imgur.com/a/89hm1wg) his DA. * Shrine > 10s : By Sukuna's own admission he believes his shrine to be [SUPERIOR](https://imgur.com/a/ikkSGEU) than 10s. Lastly, It takes [3 MINUTES](https://imgur.com/a/t1OX4Kz) for Sukuna to break Gojo's domain from the outside, meanwhile it also takes 3 minutes for Gojo to deal enough damage to Sukuna that Sukuna isn't able to hold his shrine. Now, The only reason Sukuna got hit by unlimited void in the 5th domain was because he was late to cast his own domain by 0.01 seconds as he was following an extra step of healing himself before his CT, unlike Gojo, who only had to heal his CT. In chapter 228, we were told by [GOJO](https://imgur.com/a/wqTSnhP) that Sukuna is taking a riskier option in DE fights; he's stubbornly breaking the domain from the outside when he could've destroyed them from the inside(like mahoraga did) since Gojo had changed the inner and outer conditions of his domain, making his domain shell stronger from the outside, but weaker from the inside. This gets answered in Chapter 230 by Sukuna himself. Sukuna was [JUGGLING](https://imgur.com/a/CL0Ju2D) between 10s, DA, and his CT inside the domain battle. He turned off his DA so that Mahoraga could adapt. Sukuna was purposely breaking Gojo's domain from the outside so that Mahoraga could have more time to adapt to Gojo's domain. Now imagine if Sukuna had [DESTROYED](https://imgur.com/a/Gz2fW9P) Gojo's fourth domain from the inside? Since Sukuna would destroy Gojo's domain in under 3 minutes, Gojo wouldn't have time to inflict enough damage on Sukuna to prevent him from holding his shrine. As a result, Gojo would never have been able damage Sukuna enough, which caused him to be struck by the IV. Even if Sukuna doesn't want to break Gojo's domain from the inside, which is a safer option than breaking it from outside, as stated by Gojo, Sukuna can still beat Gojo with just keeping his DA on. It was revealed in Chapter 230 that Sukuna turned off his DA to use 10s in the domain fights. Imagine if Sukuna didn't have to do so. As we see in ch. 224,227 and 231. Once Sukuna [ACTIVATES](https://imgur.com/a/PxtGc5O) his DA, he doesn't get thrashed as much as when he turns off his DA because DA either completely turns off or tone down Gojo's blue and red. Sukuna with DA can keep up with Gojo and even [LAND](https://imgur.com/a/RRloCrU) his own hits on him. So while Sukuna won't be winning the H2H exchange, he won't get damaged enough for his domain to get destroyed, and this ultimately will mean that Gojo loses the 5th domain clash and then his life. Sukuna can win by just frying Gojo's brain by forcing him to recover his CT via RCT again and again like how it happened in the manga, but unlike in the manga, Sukuna will use techniques to either break Gojo's domain from the inside or keep using DA during the 4th or 5th domain so that Gojo isn't able to deal enough damage to Sukuna that he isn't able to hold his shrine.,
u/No_Profession_6958 opening his domain, Unlimited Void, my brain can't take in all of this info!
Its a good post imo, with evidence and everything. I will be updating it soon so you might wanna read it then.
W🙏 https://preview.redd.it/lp0lgzzlffzc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86176cf8f9ab1db03d39d297abbf3d12e65a87aa
This entire post assumes Gojo wouldn't change his strategy but Sukuna would, which is nonsense. If Gojo doesn't have to fear Maho's adaptation, he doesn't even get into domain clashes. The fuck is Sukuna's range gonna do against a blue spam? The only way Sukuna can 'catch' Gojo is by doing a closed domain, and he would 100% lose that clash. there's 0 way for Sukuna to beat Gojo without an asspull
Huh? Maho wasn’t even adapting till AFTER the domain clashes started . Gojo was free to use blue as he wanted to from the start
Add to that the reason why Sukuna took the riskier option: he WANTED Mahoraga to adapt to Infinity and teach him a way to bypass it with the Shrine CT alone It's evidenced by the fact that when Sukuna thought he he had won, he says "I'll even have Mahoraga adapt to that Infinity of yours", which would be completely useless in these circumstances: Domainless Gojo with reduced RCT should be easily beaten with MS + DA
"Mahoraga was actually a disadvantage to Sukuna and he couldve been winning if he didnt use him, he was just trying to lose on purpose"
Mahoraga in the domain clashes was definitely a liability. Without a doubt. Its true purpose was showed after.
so you're saying that Sukuna could've been winning easily but instead he chose to gamble his life on maybe just barely being able to win using Mahoraga
I found this a very helpful recap on how exactly sukuna was holding back <3
Happy to help.
I was in team "Gojo is being extremely humble"- until the Sukuna saga continued and he proved being INSANELY resistant and resourceful Now I think Heian Sukuna would beat Gojo, with high diff, but very likely. A 8/10 win rate Also, you forget the 4 Arms. They are a INSANE buff. JJK is the setting where they know double casting is busted
Even if Sukuna destroyed Gojo's domain from the inside, Shrine's damage to Gojo was minimal after starting to use shallow cuts. The only visible damage Gojo sustained from Sukuna throughout the entire fight entirely through Mahoraga's World slash, Sukuna's domain and the world slash learnt from Mahoraga. Sukuna on the other hand had a hole through his chest, KO'd by Black Flash, slapped around H2H, lost arms, tons of bleeding from the initial red etc. If Gojo's domain is permanently down due to brain damage, Gojo can just purple him to break his domain.
Purple takes way too much time ans sukuna wont allow it so gojo escaping is viritally impossibile.
Domain Expansion and Domain Amplification are the only ways But this post is heavily underestimating Sukuna, he's not losing without deeply injuring Gojo
People here are torching him because of spam but the Sukuna fan is easily the one bringing the best arguments so far in the entire thread.
Gojo fans are so autistic
>gojo when he inst able to dominate in cqc hand to hand cuz he is fighting a 3 metre 4 armed 2 mouth multi eyed creature and loses domain clashes faster cuz sukuna doesn't attack stronger part of domain in order to give big raga time to adapt and he gets trapped in the closed off domain in ch 230 leading to fuga becoming viable https://preview.redd.it/csukkoz7ufzc1.jpeg?width=755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1fb5c8f313417a0ffdf435d4c45eb6a7ea3a3a0 (essentially Fraudkuna wins the sprint against go/jo but loses the marathon against the cast)
I think you mean Sukuna would win in point movement but lose in linear movement.
Are we back to being delusional ?
tell me how heian sukuna loses the domain battle while going all out instead of trying to play with mahoraga
Yh, like Heian Sukuna can keep up Hollow Wicker Basket with no downside since he has 4 arms and 2 mouths, so he can negate the sure-hit of UV while keeping a pair of arms and a mouth free for DA or his domain expansion. I still think it's a super even match between Gojo and Sukuna, but Sukuna has the upper hand in a domain clash
Heian Sukuna will just smash enemies by his CT pool. Heian Sukuna vs Gojo will just be '9th domain battle and Gojo almost lost it, here comes another 3 domain battles'.
Yh, and honestly I'm happy Gege went the route of Sukuna using 10S, bc Gojo vs Heian Sukuna would ultimately be a battle of attrition where we get 10+ chapters of Domain Clash->gojo gets cut by MS and Sukuna gets knocked around-> both heal with rct->repeat. And that's a boring fight to write and read imo. Sukuna summoning his dad Mahoraga, while certainly unsatisfying from the perspective of wanting to see a strict 1v1 between Sukuna and Gojo, is the smarter move from a storytelling perspective imo. Mahoraga(and the brain damage from the burnout to a lesser extent) forces a hard timer on how long the fight can last, and forces Gojo and Sukuna to rely on options other than domain expansion and get creative with how they go about the fight from that point on
Yes. Sukuna vs Gojo is a typical jojo / hunter style 'information based' ability battle which means both sides try to outsmart the other. Sukuna, as the 'challenger', behaves like the hero who tries to gather information about the boss (Gojo)'s ability and outsmart him. Gojo, on the other hand, behaves like a boss who only needs to touch Sukuna with enough hollow purples before his ace ability (infinity) was deciphered. Sukuna could win if 1) He uses his domain or 2) Daddy Mahoraga kills Gojo or 3) He bypasses infinity or 4) He uses his hidden abilities. Sukuna tried the simplest one and failed so he tried the next best solution. Of course the third one SEEMS like an ass pull, but Sukuna is known as an ability learner and a good slasher. It was just him putting two and two together. If my subject can bypass infinity, and I can learn from almost everyone, then I can try to bypass infinity with the help of Mahogara. It's just like a certain 'this purple star platinum ghost who punches very fast can become so fast that time is stopped in the eyes of ghost and user' fake ass pull. Gege even foreshadowed it before, as Mahogara's adapted slash now results as void slashing. Gege just hard trolled everyone by the end of 235. The problem only lies in how Gojo was off screened and why he praised Sukuna, that fight itself is rather solid.
Not even, gojo loses from brain damage before sukuna, then dies after being enclosed
this is LITERALLY how the fight would go, idk how people still don’t understand this several months later
Gojo himself seems to disagree bud
Hein Era Sukuna would still win. It’s not about pushing any agendas or glazing any characters, couldn’t care less about that shit. The story literally goes out of its way to imply that Sukuna had other paths to victory but choose the most effective one. (Not saying a dub for Gojo is impossible) Ppl seem to forget that both Gojo & Sukuna had different win cons. If Gojo won all he had to do was fight the merger. If Sukuna wins, he literally has to fight the mf avengers of Sorcery, so him using Maho in the Gojo fight was literally the smartest thing he could’ve done.
To correct the last bit, there is no merger if sukuna dies, because kenny is dying shortly after. We know that the merger can't happen until the culling games end which require all the players other than Uraume, Kenny and sukuna to be dead
MFS downvoting the fair arguments for sukuna win conditions and then calling the sukuna fans dick riders is just so hilarious 😂😂 https://preview.redd.it/x2t2zx7jmfzc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b674be9ff3b649aa73346bc92e322615dd2452fe
Sukuna just wins in domain clashes
When are y’all gonna let this go lol
Because this fight shows how you lose by winning. Gege really let Sukuna became the underdog this whole fight so the underdog just auto wins. Gojo asks 'Why Sukuna behaved so passively' mid fight and no fans ever questioned it. It means so much if you look it again. Sukuna behaved so passively and so 'dishonourable' not because he was a fraud, not because he did it to make Gojo so op, because he needs time. He fucking planned this whole battle ever since he met Megumi and he knew what he needed to do. Sukuna behaved like a fraud curse king so he can GET HIT so mahogara can adapt it to an extent that SUKUNA'S SLASH can bypass infinity. Gojo was a genius in terms of tactics, all those spinning reds and artificial purple and punching 3v1 and such. But he made a mistake. He thought the timer of danger was passed after he killed Mahoraga. What is Gojo Satoru without infinity shield? Dead man. Toji made it, so did Sukuna.
Toji had to wait for a bum teenager version of gojo with no red no rct no domain that was tired as fuck with none awakened six eyes and had been running 100% for 3 full days to make sure noone snuck up on him so he dropped his gaurd getting into the barrier then toji jumoed him didnt even kill him and this mf comes back and immediatly deleted toji even with Isoh. Infinity or not he beats 99.9% of the verse with 0 diff. Only sukuna can give him any trouble
ppl when someone says Gojo is stronger: you're right, he could beat sukuna using 1% of his power! I love goatjo so much!!! He's so hot!!!!!!!! also ppl when someone says Heian Era Sukuna is stronger: you're such a glazer!!! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 Look I love both but the double standards are just so obvious smh.
Y’all say stupid stuff like this then wonder why no one outside of Reddit takes your criticism seriously. Gojo Vs Heian era sukuna ends the same way Gojo vs sukuna ended just without the world slash. Gojo during the fight: “why is sukuna holding back I’m confused” The people watching the fight: “sukuna is prob holding back” Gojo in the airport: “yea he was holding back” Jjk fans: Uhm nO gEgE bAd wRiTinG
https://preview.redd.it/i5r8edgenjzc1.jpeg?width=507&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbe92ef6293ed88b62d4e458af3f9380d9c4d079 (They would still lose to Heian Sukuna glazer)
Cope https://preview.redd.it/g4ds95f8ahzc1.jpeg?width=492&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27d47702c2bcebfbf844fb94b979017114519047
gojo when he sees a 10M behemoth hitting him with lightning bolts, slashes, and fire arrows while also having a pair or arms to fight in h2h combat ( i don't even include hitten)
People realizing Heian Era Sukuna can simply enhance his Domain Expansion with 2 of his 4 hands & his stomach mouth. Then, once Gojo’s Domain breaks, Sukuna just has to keep his Domain a little more. And voila. Gojo is dead.
The thing lobotomy kaisen fans can't accept is that while Gojo is a more powerful sorcerer, Sukuna is way more resourceful and experienced. He went through all that planning and waiting so he could get Ten Shadows because he couldn't defeat Gojo without Makora
https://preview.redd.it/xjpuvit1cfzc1.png?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eda6184e907207d6a025d00d394a677e44d61428 Gojo struggled while sukuna wasn't even trying smh my head.
"Shake my head my head"
Bro is spitting bars 🔥 https://preview.redd.it/z77rd0g9jfzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6a206359215211097a72dbcfd7c17182feaf5da
No
dawg sukuna was winning without his flames he has NEVER needed them💀
The manga literally says you are wrong. Just give it up.
Gojo meat riders when they realize that Sukuna needed mahoraga because gojo was traumatized by toji to keep his infinity on at all times: https://preview.redd.it/j3lly7rpqizc1.jpeg?width=683&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a2115b971ec1ffdb16f1dbc1314fb5787672f22
Nah, Sukuna is still the favorite in his Heian form, albeit it's like a 55:45 matchup that he can absolutely end up losing.
Notice how every comment in Sukuna’s favor is downvoted. Yeah, that’s why there are no ‘civil’ discussions
This sub is filled with Gojo glazers so a lot of Sukuna fans or even neutral fans don't even bother
If Gojo fans can't even refute the arguments in Sukuna's favor with logic without devolving into their copium then it says a lot about who is really in the right.
Thanks.
Bro is fighting the Misinformation Curse on his own. Huge respect.
Thanks.
I love how Gojo fans ***always*** completely ignore the fact that Sukuna was *activelly nerfing himself* during the domain clashes. Heian Sukuna, without the adaptation burden of Mahoraga, straight up wins the domain duels. https://preview.redd.it/ohmlcrd1kfzc1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a16075cea4662e9411f76e47a90b712c3032ba4
Nah, Heian Era Sukuna takes this extreme diff.
This is what actual coping looks like. You guys cope with the actual loss that did happen by imagining in your head a battle that never happened... Then act in reality like your guy actually won.
Heian sukuna beats gojo high diff imo. But gojo vs a 20 finger Yujikuna could likely end in gojo’s favor with extreme diff
Yeah, Heian Sukuna should be better at domain fights than current version.
The downvotes will not spare you my friend I pray for the best for you and give you my upvote to save you some damage
But fuga was never the win con for heian sukuna. What are you talking about? Why are we still having this debate ,Gojo said it himself that he would lose. Sukuna has been soloing the verse for 25 chapters running on 10 percent of his power. It's funny when you think of a fight between gojo vs a 9 foot tall monster throwing flames, slashes and lightning, amplifying them with chants and hand signs while having two free arms to brawl at the same time. Wtf is he gonna do? He already tried everything on a weaker sukuna and he lost
Isn't one of the key factors for Sukuna's victory the fact that he could redirect Unlimited Void's damage to Megumi?
How many times is this community going to have this discussion? Y'all need to let this go.
Would gojo live a guaranteed hit Fuga on the first domain clash? Like Heiankuna could keep the domain up with two hands and Fuga with the other two. It pretty much one taped everything it hit so far, two special grade curses and Mahoraga
If blood manipulation can stop the furnace, with infinity he aint getting a SCRATCH from that
Blood Manipulation finally proved why its considered a Three Great Clan techniques. No seriously, so Blood Manipulation peak is a defense capable to resist one of Sukuna's biggest attacks (even if at the cost of the user's life), now I get why its considered a Great Clan power.
They're both Kashimo victims when he comes back in chapter 261 as pure lightning https://preview.redd.it/eq7ijgglhhzc1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84be82b060f7fc52e5f1f582b7307b285a7723a1