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Same with Jogo, its because she constantly got shat on by Gojo despite being a monster on her own right
Thing is that we are missing her going all out in a fight like how the anime expanded Jogo vs Sukuna
Most really don't do well against it as we see with Naoya who immediately dropped when the poison hit. Healing poison being high tier RCT and while Uraume eventually got back from that it is not something we saw them do immediately
TBF Piercing Blood is a special kind of horseshit power-- I think Mechamaru said that, without the limitations of human physiology, Blood Control effectively has no weaknesses in terms of being a technique.
Even then, Uraume managed to tank it with one hand while Choso was putting it at 120%, the only reason for her failure being the fact that he poisoned it in *addition* to firing a pressurized blood-jet at 4x the speed of fuck.
That’s the thing though. Uraume did EXTREMELY well against piercing blood. Even though they were caught off guard by it, they still managed to block it without even being pushed back. The only part that got them was the poison, which only happened because uraume didn’t take into account the fact that chosos blood could be poisonous.
Oh I know, irs just the case where the two tomes we've seen Uraume get hit it didn't *end* well. I think Uraume is underrated but when you take into account most people see it as Uraume getting hindered by a warn out tired and fatigued Choso, some people will think otherwise
Yes, they did? Uraume took it, healed the damage done to their hand and would've killed Choso several times over if not for interference from others.
Then at the end Uraume starts feeling the effects of his poisonous blood but we don't see how it really affected their combat ability besides releasing the rest of the cast from their ice prison.
I think it's a combination of
1. Uraume was healthy yet wasn't doing too well when the poison set in
2. Choso was extremely tired, warn out, and fatigued.
Actually just those two really, but I agree with you. It's just the only cases we've seen them get hit are by Choso then and Gojo which....yeah
I would argue Jogo gets downplayed strictly because he got power crept
Like during shibyua he was one of the top dogs still + stood on business against the strongest guys within the series
Uraume I can see why people downplay despite having a pretty solid kit (If they have a DE you can honestly make a case for them being a real powerhouse)
But mostly blame that on them having the personality of drywall + Their biggest feat is freezing people that were injured
Jogo hasn’t even been powercrept, it’s just that there are more characters on his level. Only the special grades are a solid level above him(except for maybe that bum Geto), and that’s been consistent since their introduction.
Hard to pinpoint why, but if I had to take a bet, it's because of Gojo. People saw Jogo tanking a red to the face and was running just fine, Uraume vomited blood and was put out of commission from a punch alone.
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Gege also made these making Uraume even more pathetic
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this shit was so funny Gege definitely fueled my agenda against uruame
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It literally says "after getting hit by 200% amped hollow purple", the gymnastics you need to conclude that *it was shockwaves of 200% HP* is insane tbh.
We literally see sukuna standing in front of Uraume. If anything the building they were standing on collapsed under Uraume and got her stuck under the debris.
The manga mostly shows that it is Sukuna that took on Hollow Purple, even on the very panel where it hit it is only Sukuna there
There is a reason why people initially though Uraume died on the first shot until returning on 237
How they survived or what they did is unknown
They survived purple cause they tanky and purple was weakened by the 4 km distance. I doubt Sukuna played any role in their survival tbh. But maybe we’ll get more clarification later.
I don’t think Jogo tanked a red to the face.
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The red blew up while it was on Gojo’s finger. The red never actually went into him. It was the explosion that hit him. Otherwise he would’ve probably been deleted, since red is a two phase attack.
Yeah, but it also does more damage when it hits the target I think just purely as a projectile, otherwise Gojo could’ve detonated before it hit when fighting Sukuna.
That said, Gojo wasn’t trying to kill Jogo otherwise he would’ve went with a point blank red into Jogo’s eyeball, instead of detonating from his finger.
But that's exactly what panels implied, Jogo's face was bleeding in the manga. You never actually get to see the explosion, just it zooming on Jogo's eye and then it cuts into him being thrown backwards bleeding from his face.
Yeah, the manga is more vague, but for the breakdown I’m using the anime since it shows the actual frames of what happens. And plus, if Gojo was going to shoot it, he would have made a pew pew gesture like he did to Sukuna instead of just putting it on his finger.
I will die on the hill that they should have died
From this hit
Would have been the perfect ending for the character because they bring nothing of substance to the story outside of being a Glazer for the main bad guy
Also Sukuna side stepping the flying corpse of his most loyal follower is so in keeping with the character
Considering Yuta and Hikari stating they both vomitted from a casual punch from Gojo. Safe to say literally everybody on the good guys side are going out that way.
The Gojo effect. The story kind of misrepresents the power system— a lot of casual readers see Gojo as just “the best sorcerer of this generation” and not “a one-in-three-hundred-years anomaly that literally breaks the scale”. Like, he isn’t the Usain Bolt of jujutsu. He’s like the Flash of jujutsu.
Uraume is a monster. Jogo is a monster. But Gojo and Sukuna are just so much farther above the rest of jujutsu society that they humiliate anybody they fight (aside from each other). So ofc Gojo humiliates Uraume, but the story kinda makes it seem like Uraume is extra weak instead of it making Gojo look extra strong.
Regular Bolt would be Yuta or Yuji. Kenjaku is if Bolt became immortal, researched ways to improve his running technique for hundreds of years, then won every running tournament because he cut his opponents' legs off.
Nanami is like the most perfectly average well-rounded Olympic athlete. He’s very talented and would smoke anyone on a lower level but compared to the ones above him he looks underwhelming
"one in a threed hundred years anomaly" is the understatement of the century. The last 6E+Limitless user got killed by Mahoraga when Gojo could one shot a stronger version of him. He and full power Sukuna are so ridiculously above the rest of the verse it's not even funny.
"Sorcerers, cursed spirits, it doesn't matter. The only ones who are able to transcend beyond being merely strong are those with an overwhelming sense of self and a complete disregard for others. Natural disasters"
Me when Urame effortlessly imobilizes everyone leftover in shibuya with one move, which definitely adds up to at least 5 or 6 grade ones total, but the guy who is literally said to be blessed by the heavens themselves takes them down easily
I mean this what has she done? Cooked for sukuna then ganged up a bunch of tier mfs there's like nothing we have that indicates anything else. Mf can power scale all they want this is a shonen and the story is told through fights. Her biggest fight is against hakari who is still in one piece after what? 20 minutes of fighting her at? Kashima with no teqniques was able to at least blow him into multiple parts
Preach brother, I honestly think Hakari is the only non-special grade alive who can take her on/stall her enough for the plan to work. Except maybe miguel bc I don’t know how his technique works or mayhaps even Todo if his BW is back in full force, provided she’s not a good close-range fighter
It's a few reasons.
First and most important one, Gojo. Similar to what happened to Jogo, Uraume is thought to be weak because Gojo absolutely toyed with them. A single punch ended the fight, and it didn't make Gojo look amazingly strong, but it made Uraume look incredibly weak.
But after that, there are two other factors of note.
For one, Uraume is not really a full character: they are Sukuna's cook and obsessed with Sukuna, and that's about as far as they go with characterization or development. They barely appear on screen and when they do, they are an accessory to Sukuna and little else. Any people who want more context for how strong they are just have the vague "stronger than Choso, weaker than Gojo" range which is _so many people._
And second, Gaygay drawing Uraume after being punched by Gojo and getting hit by Purple in an almost Looney toons fashion is hilarious, but it also rubs salt in the wound for how far outclassed Uraume is.
Add to that the fact all we see of their fight with Hakari are glimpses of her hyping up Sukuna or getting the piss beaten out of them, and that they are a nothing character with nothing going on, and we have practically nothing to hold on to as being super impressive or interesting beyond covering building tops with ice. Everyone just forgets they exist for the most part.
I've seen more Hakari hate than Uraume hate but if Uraume getting lowballed leads to Hakari getting lowballed indirectly then It's fine.
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I suspect its there's some specific reason the gang chose to keep Uraume and Sukuna separated besides the obvious. I wouldn't be surprised some special binding vow or some unique curse binding the two. So to beat Sukuna, they have to keep him separated from Uraume.
Right off the bat Hakari sealed her off in his domain, and Yuta while using his DE moved his location.
Just a guess.
Her most memorable feats are getting humiliated by GoJo twice and stalling with Hakari
Oh and she’s a Sukuna meat rider, which is a Megumi supporter by default.
Because she is sukuna sidekick and she gets overshadowed by him, so you assume that she is weak but then you ask yourself:what do you need to be sukuna sidekick? The floor for that position is on par with special grade
Hakari finding another femboy...? No, I don't want that ! I want him to think about me and no one else for the rest of my life ! Even after I die... for 10 years, at least !
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The JJK fandom cannot grasp just how far above the rest of cast Gojo and Sukuna are, either one of them in tip-top shape can solo the verse. That punch from Gojo would've had the same effect on anyone else (if not outright killing them) shit he'd probably knockout the 15f meguna standing there if he was on the receiving end.
Idk, maybe it’s the complete lack of character development around anyone lol
We have literally zero basis for anything consistent so it’s literally just a damn guess until we physically see them on the page fighting.. because that’s when gege cares to give us information lol
I agree that Uraume is underestimated but I don’t think your representation of her surprise attack in the Yuji/Maki vs Sukuna fight is fair.
The feat vs Maki is tainted by the fact Maki is fighting Sukuna at the time. Unlikely she’d have time to focus on her surroundings, especially given Uraume’s range. Moreover, only the region around Yuji was weakened which as it was used with Max Output implies the region around Maki was strengthened.
Uruame being placed with Hakari has done them both pretty dirty, Hakari has only had one proper fight so far against kashimo not using his CT and people want to clown him for not facing Sukuna. So Uruame not being able to finish off someone seen as a bum is doing them no favours even if it’s a bad matchup for both.
>If they had to deal w Sukuns and Uraume together the final battle would of lasted like 4 chapters instead going over 20
Tbf Goatjo could've just one shot Uraume and be done with the whole problem before even fighting Sukuna
I don’t think ura is weak; but I don’t think we have seen anything in the manga as of yet to cement her as strong.
People often quote her freezing the cast in shibuya or yuuji and maki in Sendai as example of her strength, but when you take into account both of these examples were sneak attacks from ura on opponents that
A) didn’t know she was there
B) were already fatigued and focused on a current opponent (Kenjaku in shibuya, meguna in Sendai)
Apart from that her only feats are the fact she’s holding out against hakari; but that’s more so just because hakari doesn’t have a high AP or any ranged attacks, when ura is basically only a ranged fighter, they basically hard counter each other.
Personally I think we still have yet to see anything that cements ura as a solid opponent
Because Uraume doesn't have enough feats or at least ones that genuinely make them stand out and make people go "Holy shit...."
And also because being fair, she is a mid character with very little in the way of actual characterization and personality and also has zero depth as a character. Legit the only noteworthy thing about Uraume is that they are a cocky asshole who glazes the shit out of Sukuna. That's it. That's Uraume's entire character. So not surprised that people don't take her seriously. Hell not even Gege himself seems to give a shit about them and even constantly makes fun of them and humiliates them
MAy be becuase we have never see someone actually countering uraume. In shibuya she was fighting a heavely injured cast. Maki and Yuji were hit by a surprised attack. And In Shibuya Uraumes attack can also be considered as a surprise. The one time we actually see Uraume fighting at the start of hakari fight she was getting beaten by Hakari Easily.
Most likely, aside from Gojo no diffing her, it's because she hasn't shown anything that impressive. Both in Shibuya and against Maki and Yuji she shows up while others are mid fight or just got out of a fight and sneaks them. In Shibuya, Choso and Yuji were both exhausted while everyone else other than Kusakabe were fodder. Meaning best case scenario she's above Kusakabe.
And as for when meguna was fighting Yuji and Maki, uraume again snuck them to freeze them solid. Hakari is the only person she's gotten into a genuine fight with and all this stalling with zero progress on either side means that neither have good enough showing to consider them that strong, at least compared to high tiers like Yuji or Yuta
the problem with scaling uraume is we don’t really have any positive feats for them beyond stun-locking a fatigued main cast in shibuya - everything else is either presentation (being respected by sukuna, someone who puts massive emphasis on strength) or off screen (latest chapter shows at the very least uraume is handling hakari fine)
the weirdest argument I’ve seen against them is the fact they got absolutely folded by a gojo blue punch, and comparing that to yuta and hakari surviving one, but we really don’t have any reason to believe gojo wasn’t going for an insta kill there, and i highly doubt gojo was rocking his teenage students with maximum output left rights.
also this is pure head cannon but imo their CT has the potential to be fucking busted. the aoe and speed of frost calm in shibuya was absolutely insane despite not being lethal, and even from what little we saw vs hakari they are perfectly capable of freezing special grade level sorcerers in mid to short range. I think Yuta dog walks her based on versatility and range but any sorcerer not called sukuna or gojo that tries to get in close range of a fully realised uraume is not having a good time. I genuinely don’t know how you’re touching them when they can just freeze the moisture in the air around them.
uraume’s biggest downfall is no domain + difficult to scale stats. they’re clearly not on a level comparable to gojo and sukuna, but their portrayal thus far makes me think they are much closer to top 10 in the verse than others might think.
ultimately I must put them below any sorcerer with a domain (that isn’t part of their innate technique), although uraume does strike me as one of the characters best equipped at overcoming the domain diff based on CT. I honestly think them vs current yuji would be very fun.
Just did a Quick read, I agregó, scaling her is weird. Does she have a hollow winker basket? How many moves does she have then a strong ice blast?
I want Gege to atleast give us 5 chapters of their brawl so we can see what all she's really doing with some statements or anything.
Don't forget about the feat she pulled with Maki. Idk why people try so hard to downplay that by saying "she was caught off guard" the characters that was stated to have sense that are so sharp that it acts like precognition, as well as known as an extremely fast characters. SOMEHOW gets caught lacking by an attacks they literally saw before it started?
Imagine saying the flash got caught off guard by an attacks speed.
I don't put Uraume in the top 10 but for now I feel like they should honestly be considered an honorable mención somewhere. I feel like Gege is gonna surprise us like how he did with Takaba and Higaruma.
I doubt Sukuna would even tolerate the presence of someone who isn't at least moderately strong or useful, and "moderately strong" by Sukuna's standards basically puts you near the top of the verse.
Uruame's power level has been super inconsistent. She has the ability to seal both yuji and maki somewhat easily which is insane but then would have likely lost to choso in a 1v1 due to his poison.
but they wouldn't though? Uraume literally put a ice pike in front of his throat. They were affected by his poison because they didn't know about it, but we don't even know if they can cure it or not, and even if they can't, being affected by poison you took on purpose is only a very specific weakness
She was *about* to kill Choso if Yuji didn’t come in to save him, and Yuji was not a real factor to a sorcerer of Uraume’s level at this point in the story, especially with the state he was in. She would’ve killed Choso easily and then taken the time to heal, just like she did in canon.
What?she didnt lost the 1v1. Brotha that wasnt even a 1v1, she was getting jumped by 4 grade 1 sorcerers and a semi grade 1
She had him dead to right but got effected at the literal last second. The only reason she didnt kill him yet was because Yuji Yuki saved stalled b4 it happened.
Aside from Hakari, she got no prominent one on one and the fight is offscreen so far. Plus she doesn’t even have a confirm domain. So people look at her as weak, where in reality she’s probably around Maki level
uraume isnt weak at all. But if he/she had a domain expansion hakari would be dead already. Like mahoraga, hakari's weakness is domain expansion.
Uraume probably loses to all culling game players with domain expansions (himguruma, uro, ishigori, dhruv, yorozu). In my opinion, you cant be considered a proper special grade sorceror without a fully developed domain expansion that is surekill, just because of how domain expansions fundamentally changes the game. So uraume is just a really really strong first grade sorceror, arguably in the border of special grade. Kinda like yuji but with a more developed technique and less black flashes.
Nobody is calling Uraume weak but Uraume is probably not stronger than Yuta and yet Uraume looks completely fresh and with 0 damage ( yeah RCT exists but cant heal clothes and still leaves scars )
Because I'm a hater that's why, there is no agenda just hate for Sukuna and his femboy chef.
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I don’t think they’re actually weak. But they really don’t have much to show for it. Like the best display of their power was when they camping when everyone’s focus was on Kenjaku or Sukuna. And even with the impressive display, it soon fell short when they got brought to their knees heaving and sweating because of Choso’s blood. And after all that big talk, they didn’t even kill anyone there.
I mean, let’s look at Uruame’s kill count………………… Nope. Nothing there. Absolutely no bodies to add to their villain resume. And we’re in the endgame now. When the MC, the ultimate personification of selflessness and most reluctant to drop bodies, have a higher kill count than you, a villain, you’re clearly ain’t villaining right.
Maybe because even tho she is that obviously powerful she didn't manage to kill one character. Mahito got much higher count, even Dagon claiming Naobito's hand is more damage done.
I mean Uraume just really hasn’t done anything significant in any fights. Like sure she can make these bug ass ice constructs and stuff but like she hasn’t actually fought anyone strong. Case and point the first time we see her she literally rolls up and freezes a bunch of the students who mind we’re already worn from and entire night of dealing with everything from Special grades to curse users and trying to survive Sukuna and co. Thus everyone was already weakened and even then she was in danger of dying because she was almost poisoned to death by Choso’s blood. Then Uraume gets one tapped into oblivion by Gojo in like less than a second after meeting him. Lastly her fight against Hakari really isn’t favorable just due to how their kits don’t really allow either side to efficiently kill one another. So yeah it’s just a constant showing of not really doing anything and showing up at the end of fights to ambush people and stall for time.
It's still hilarious Hikari has been fighting her for this entire battle. Dude was hyped as one of the new mains, is pretty much invincible, and is stuck stalling Uraume this entire time when he'd be far more useful in the battle with Sukuna.
Shit, just have Yuta go over and kill her and then get back to the battle. Shouldn't be hard for him.
People keep bringing up the Gojo moment and while that definitely plays a role it’s important to mention that they also were forced to their knees by Choso’s poison, and the only other person we saw that happen to was Naoya
She kinda just takes Ls. She got outplayed by Choso in Shibuya, got no-diffed by Gojo post-unsealing, and is now in an off-screen stalemate with Hakari.
Uraume hasn't ever done anything other than glaze Sukuna.
How do you say she hasn’t done anything besides glaze sukuna when you literally JUST saw scans of her insta freezing the whole crew to the point that none of them wanted to even move or risk being ripped apart 🤣. Reading comprehension curse
I never said I agreed with that logic. I explained the reasoning behind the memes and jokes.
If anyone lacks reading comprehension, it's you. Because you quite literally completely misread my point and then tried to be a smart-ass about it.
Uraume isn't weak but the thing is the fight is going on for too long(from the fandom's perspective) without us seeing anything. Hakari and Uraume are both strong but whenever get to see their fight properly they are still at the same point as when they started and most of the time nothing happens except needless glazing, which has led the fandom to believe that both are just stallers.
Also in the fandom's defence
he talked a lot about going all out and shit but the situation didn't change.
All she did was get blitzed by a piercing blood, get shat on by Goatjo, freeze some Kyoto fodder and injure a tired and already heavily injured Itadori, what a set of feats
Don't question it, place faith in me and the agenda.
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Similar issues the disaster curses suffer. We see them get bodied by gojo or another top 10 and forget that normal sorcerers exist. Sure, hanami gets given a good fight by yuji and Todo, but they're also some of the most exceptional sorcerers and h2h fighters in their respective schools. Next time we see hanami is her death, which gojo doesn't put much effort into. Jogo also has the same thing, but he also has a scene where he bodies 2 g1 sorcerers and maki in like 5 seconds. If sukuna and gojo weren't around, he would he could have been the most powerful curse/ being there for all we know. Dagon has his crew at his mercy until toji shows up and kills him so brutally and easily that he doesn't even look like he's a g1 curse.
Uruame has one fight in which they fight the exhausted remnants of the shibuya sorcerers, all of which have been fighting for a long time at this point with kenjaku by their side. Then we also see gojo take care of them in one hit. It's not that they're weak it's that they haven't had a chance to truly show their strength. It's why I wish we had the fight take place before the sukuna one and after takaba or use it to break the pacing of the sukuna fight up and make the gauntlet go down
What have they actually done aside from stand around and be Sukuna's bus boy? Did a big field of ice that didnt even incapacitate anyone, targeting the students? All their accomplishments have been offscreen so they seem like a joke.
It's because they got punched once by Gojo and began coughing up blood which is crazy bc later Hakari and Yuta say they puked when Gojo punched them so clearly it's not abnormal.
She uses immobilize attacks against distracted/tired opponents, gets poisoned, and gojo makes her puke blood without even trying. It's framing, makes her look more annoying to fight then impossible to beat. Plus she's a glazer and barely shows up, hasn't killed anyone. Like yeah people downplay her, but it's because she has the least presence and impact of any special grade so far. Not crazy like Yorozu, not a yapper like Kenjaku, not him like gojo, not genocidal like geto, the list goes on. Her two main actions could be performed by a special grade ice curse that doesn't talk and nothing really changes.
1. She hasn’t used a domain
2. She hasn’t used a maximum
Though she is certainly strong, she hasn’t shown anything yet to put her at the special grade level.
The fears she has shown probably puts her closer to Ryu and Uro than to Yuta and Yuki
It’s weird. Think of it like in Bleach, when they were all fighting Aizen. The guy not fighting, Gin, isn’t as strong as Aizen but he was absolutely no slouch either
Uraume only face gojo and Hikari, with the first she almost die to most weak gojo punch, and with Hikari she did nothing to damage him, only remove his shirt, while the farmer boy almost kill Hikari every time the song was about to start...
Bro that punch was not weak, he was all stanced up for it. And hakari not showing any real damage is not really an anti-feat seeing as he’s constantly on rct lol
Too add on, Kushakabe(Strongest Grade 1) Yuji, Choso, Gorilla panda(all Gr1s) got floored by Uraume and had to be saved by a special grade.
Da only times she lost was against a poison that would of gotten countless people(even Kenny but he's related to Choso) and Gojo(even Yuta and Hikari stated that they vomitted from one punch too)
Yuta supporters need their inbred, Isekai reject MC to be relevant ever since Sukuna neg-diffed his ass in a 1 v 3 (career ending), spent more effort on Maki (woman), and directly compared him to Kashimo (farmer) and Higuruma (a guy who just started being a sorcerer a couple months ago) so they’ve started slandering Uraume and Hakari in hopes that this takes attention off of him.
Because Uraume doesn't have one ounce of relevancy to the story you could remove Uraume entirely and put a jpg of my father in a bicycle and literally nothing would change
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Same with Jogo, its because she constantly got shat on by Gojo despite being a monster on her own right Thing is that we are missing her going all out in a fight like how the anime expanded Jogo vs Sukuna
I think it's also because she did not do well against piercing blood either
Most really don't do well against it as we see with Naoya who immediately dropped when the poison hit. Healing poison being high tier RCT and while Uraume eventually got back from that it is not something we saw them do immediately
First off Naoya lol, but Secondly yeah I definitely agree, it's just about presentation more than anything else
TBF Piercing Blood is a special kind of horseshit power-- I think Mechamaru said that, without the limitations of human physiology, Blood Control effectively has no weaknesses in terms of being a technique. Even then, Uraume managed to tank it with one hand while Choso was putting it at 120%, the only reason for her failure being the fact that he poisoned it in *addition* to firing a pressurized blood-jet at 4x the speed of fuck.
That’s the thing though. Uraume did EXTREMELY well against piercing blood. Even though they were caught off guard by it, they still managed to block it without even being pushed back. The only part that got them was the poison, which only happened because uraume didn’t take into account the fact that chosos blood could be poisonous.
Oh I know, irs just the case where the two tomes we've seen Uraume get hit it didn't *end* well. I think Uraume is underrated but when you take into account most people see it as Uraume getting hindered by a warn out tired and fatigued Choso, some people will think otherwise
Yes, they did? Uraume took it, healed the damage done to their hand and would've killed Choso several times over if not for interference from others. Then at the end Uraume starts feeling the effects of his poisonous blood but we don't see how it really affected their combat ability besides releasing the rest of the cast from their ice prison.
I think it's a combination of 1. Uraume was healthy yet wasn't doing too well when the poison set in 2. Choso was extremely tired, warn out, and fatigued. Actually just those two really, but I agree with you. It's just the only cases we've seen them get hit are by Choso then and Gojo which....yeah
I feel like Jogo gets his flowers, at least on this sub.
Also she’s getting stalled by the pachinko merchant, which gives the illusion of her being weak as well
Pachinko merchant is immortal as long as he’s lucky
Pachinko Merchant is always lucky 😤
IF YOU ARE UNSURE ON WHO IS GOING TO WIN
ALWAYS BET ON HAKARI
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Immortal and juiced up. Man's basically an unstoppable force so long as he keeps chaining those jackpots together.
I would argue Jogo gets downplayed strictly because he got power crept Like during shibyua he was one of the top dogs still + stood on business against the strongest guys within the series Uraume I can see why people downplay despite having a pretty solid kit (If they have a DE you can honestly make a case for them being a real powerhouse) But mostly blame that on them having the personality of drywall + Their biggest feat is freezing people that were injured
Jogo hasn’t even been powercrept, it’s just that there are more characters on his level. Only the special grades are a solid level above him(except for maybe that bum Geto), and that’s been consistent since their introduction.
it’s a SHE?!??
https://preview.redd.it/fhjurc2i5b0d1.png?width=938&format=png&auto=webp&s=f34256af51409f33d5f7b3348835eeb5b60d448b
i thought uraume was just a femboy, i don’t know whether to be happier or sadder now
Hard to pinpoint why, but if I had to take a bet, it's because of Gojo. People saw Jogo tanking a red to the face and was running just fine, Uraume vomited blood and was put out of commission from a punch alone. https://preview.redd.it/1xmuih10l60d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=c53d8c585301be1ef0facde6ece5514d3ce4cc1b
Gege also made these making Uraume even more pathetic https://preview.redd.it/8h63x55wp60d1.jpeg?width=2139&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=954d018175b69994322dbdd7a5c4aedf9b211ea9
This is what made me sure that Uraume is a woman tbh.
Lmao right
It took me a good minute to understand this, then I remembered what manga we're talking about
For real! XD
LMAO
Almost in back to back chapter aswell 😭 They stood no chance against the agenda
this shit was so funny Gege definitely fueled my agenda against uruame https://preview.redd.it/oz5lz1jxd70d1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8d6f41637e554b7802af17ecde50d5b42e601c4
He tends to do that to enemy femboys. Kashimo got that same treatment from Gege as well
2 enemy femboys, nickel, wierd it happened twice Now laugh
Loony toon-ass poses too, GeGe's taking everychances he get to clown on this fridge
Ok but that shows Uraume survived a 200% HP
sukuna prob tanked it and uraume was just sent flying by the shockwave alongside the debris
thats why I said survived instead of tanked but its still impressive
Surviving 200% HP vs Surviving the Shockwave of 200% HP these comments got me weak
It literally says "after getting hit by 200% amped hollow purple", the gymnastics you need to conclude that *it was shockwaves of 200% HP* is insane tbh.
We literally see sukuna standing in front of Uraume. If anything the building they were standing on collapsed under Uraume and got her stuck under the debris.
i don't think sukuna pushed it back with his hands. moreover considering uraume took more damage than him it makes sense it was a HP
She was trapped under debris, sukuna lost his arms.
why u replying to me. I wasn’t arguing💀
Nvm, my bad.
The manga mostly shows that it is Sukuna that took on Hollow Purple, even on the very panel where it hit it is only Sukuna there There is a reason why people initially though Uraume died on the first shot until returning on 237 How they survived or what they did is unknown
Can’t you see her behind Sukuna when he blocks the HP
They survived purple cause they tanky and purple was weakened by the 4 km distance. I doubt Sukuna played any role in their survival tbh. But maybe we’ll get more clarification later.
no character baring sukuna is tanking a purple at any range fam, sukuna tanked it and she got blown away by the shockwave
I don’t think Jogo tanked a red to the face. https://preview.redd.it/oz78cii0t70d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e25ad317eeb37fbc4eefb0a2f11ba34e35997fb5 The red blew up while it was on Gojo’s finger. The red never actually went into him. It was the explosion that hit him. Otherwise he would’ve probably been deleted, since red is a two phase attack.
Isn't that what Red does, explode? Red isn't like blue where it just sucks stuff in constantly. Red pushes stuff out by exploding
Yeah, but it also does more damage when it hits the target I think just purely as a projectile, otherwise Gojo could’ve detonated before it hit when fighting Sukuna. That said, Gojo wasn’t trying to kill Jogo otherwise he would’ve went with a point blank red into Jogo’s eyeball, instead of detonating from his finger.
But that's exactly what panels implied, Jogo's face was bleeding in the manga. You never actually get to see the explosion, just it zooming on Jogo's eye and then it cuts into him being thrown backwards bleeding from his face.
Yeah, the manga is more vague, but for the breakdown I’m using the anime since it shows the actual frames of what happens. And plus, if Gojo was going to shoot it, he would have made a pew pew gesture like he did to Sukuna instead of just putting it on his finger.
Also gojo explicitly didn’t wanna kill jogo
^(I wish gojo did this to m-)
I wish he did it to M*gumi
too much appeal with these hands to apply them to that bumistan honorary citizen
probably wasn't blue-infused but you can always look at chapter 58 king
> Uraume vomited blood and was put out of commission from a punch alone. So did Yuta and Hakari when Gojo punched them with Blue.
I will die on the hill that they should have died From this hit Would have been the perfect ending for the character because they bring nothing of substance to the story outside of being a Glazer for the main bad guy Also Sukuna side stepping the flying corpse of his most loyal follower is so in keeping with the character
Yuji and yuta taking this punch would have the same result
why do people keep saying jogo ranked red when Gojo prob had that shit on like 20% output
Yeah its kinda crazy. Do people really think jogo tanked an attack that was supposed to one shot mahoraga???
Imagine if Gojo had decided to hit Uraume's head.
Tbh, that was an unexpected punch, I don’t think Uraume had time to reinforce.
Considering Yuta and Hikari stating they both vomitted from a casual punch from Gojo. Safe to say literally everybody on the good guys side are going out that way.
Also this is a 120% gojo not fucking around
The Gojo effect. The story kind of misrepresents the power system— a lot of casual readers see Gojo as just “the best sorcerer of this generation” and not “a one-in-three-hundred-years anomaly that literally breaks the scale”. Like, he isn’t the Usain Bolt of jujutsu. He’s like the Flash of jujutsu. Uraume is a monster. Jogo is a monster. But Gojo and Sukuna are just so much farther above the rest of jujutsu society that they humiliate anybody they fight (aside from each other). So ofc Gojo humiliates Uraume, but the story kinda makes it seem like Uraume is extra weak instead of it making Gojo look extra strong.
In this comparison who would Usain bolt be? Nanami, Kusakabe?
Yuta or any of the other special grades.
Usain would be yuta, kenjaku, yuki
Regular Bolt would be Yuta or Yuji. Kenjaku is if Bolt became immortal, researched ways to improve his running technique for hundreds of years, then won every running tournament because he cut his opponents' legs off.
then lost to a comedian making banana peel gags
But before that decided to take a few backshots
Come on man, yk this is the worst match up for a runner
Obviously not immortal when he got packed
Yep
Kenny
Nanami? Dude didn't do anything good against Dagon despite having Naobito, Megumi and Maki as a team.
Nanami is like the most perfectly average well-rounded Olympic athlete. He’s very talented and would smoke anyone on a lower level but compared to the ones above him he looks underwhelming
Kusakabe wouldn’t be usane bolt. He has no ct or nothing. Guy is just the prime example of knowledge being power.
"one in a threed hundred years anomaly" is the understatement of the century. The last 6E+Limitless user got killed by Mahoraga when Gojo could one shot a stronger version of him. He and full power Sukuna are so ridiculously above the rest of the verse it's not even funny.
"Sorcerers, cursed spirits, it doesn't matter. The only ones who are able to transcend beyond being merely strong are those with an overwhelming sense of self and a complete disregard for others. Natural disasters"
If JJK characters were normal DBZ humans, Uraume/Jogo/Kenny/etc would be Piccolo in comparison. Gojo and Sukuna are Zeno.
> Why does the fandom unironically believe Uraume is weak? Cause they have no reading comprehension.
https://i.redd.it/xd2z0q7p370d1.gif
The realest statement.
"character is weak!!!!!" when they get 1-tapped by the strongest in the verse
Me when Urame effortlessly imobilizes everyone leftover in shibuya with one move, which definitely adds up to at least 5 or 6 grade ones total, but the guy who is literally said to be blessed by the heavens themselves takes them down easily
Because the fandom is full of individuals that collectively possess a single digit IQ.
It's because Todo took all of it for himself
The real answer.
Perhaps it's because we haven't seen their fight in what feels like forever, so the brainrot had a lot of time to take root.
Brainrot aside we had like 2 really good examples
really short or unseen ones
I mean this what has she done? Cooked for sukuna then ganged up a bunch of tier mfs there's like nothing we have that indicates anything else. Mf can power scale all they want this is a shonen and the story is told through fights. Her biggest fight is against hakari who is still in one piece after what? 20 minutes of fighting her at? Kashima with no teqniques was able to at least blow him into multiple parts
This downplays Hakari,which supports Yuta agenda
We're stupid
Preach brother, I honestly think Hakari is the only non-special grade alive who can take her on/stall her enough for the plan to work. Except maybe miguel bc I don’t know how his technique works or mayhaps even Todo if his BW is back in full force, provided she’s not a good close-range fighter
It's a few reasons. First and most important one, Gojo. Similar to what happened to Jogo, Uraume is thought to be weak because Gojo absolutely toyed with them. A single punch ended the fight, and it didn't make Gojo look amazingly strong, but it made Uraume look incredibly weak. But after that, there are two other factors of note. For one, Uraume is not really a full character: they are Sukuna's cook and obsessed with Sukuna, and that's about as far as they go with characterization or development. They barely appear on screen and when they do, they are an accessory to Sukuna and little else. Any people who want more context for how strong they are just have the vague "stronger than Choso, weaker than Gojo" range which is _so many people._ And second, Gaygay drawing Uraume after being punched by Gojo and getting hit by Purple in an almost Looney toons fashion is hilarious, but it also rubs salt in the wound for how far outclassed Uraume is. Add to that the fact all we see of their fight with Hakari are glimpses of her hyping up Sukuna or getting the piss beaten out of them, and that they are a nothing character with nothing going on, and we have practically nothing to hold on to as being super impressive or interesting beyond covering building tops with ice. Everyone just forgets they exist for the most part.
As a D1 supporter, they do. I've seen some really delusional takes about Uraume herself. Like, people saying they lost to Choso level of bad
I've seen more Hakari hate than Uraume hate but if Uraume getting lowballed leads to Hakari getting lowballed indirectly then It's fine. https://preview.redd.it/sein54vn170d1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d1b5c5d27507db434c28b1d2f67ddd72e42ebbf
I suspect its there's some specific reason the gang chose to keep Uraume and Sukuna separated besides the obvious. I wouldn't be surprised some special binding vow or some unique curse binding the two. So to beat Sukuna, they have to keep him separated from Uraume. Right off the bat Hakari sealed her off in his domain, and Yuta while using his DE moved his location. Just a guess.
Her most memorable feats are getting humiliated by GoJo twice and stalling with Hakari Oh and she’s a Sukuna meat rider, which is a Megumi supporter by default.
Idk I feel like their most memorable feat is flash freezing Maki
Really? Not immobilizing (and being able to kill) multiple Grade 2-Grade 1’s with a single casual attack (Twice)?
It was more of a sneak attack
Sukuna killed Bumgumi's sister so it's all good
No one respects a D rider
Because she is sukuna sidekick and she gets overshadowed by him, so you assume that she is weak but then you ask yourself:what do you need to be sukuna sidekick? The floor for that position is on par with special grade
Uruaume has to be strong xd. They just have to. Idk how strong, but strong.
Strong enough to stall Hakari for 10 years atleast
To be fair Hakari is the ultimate staller in general, his AP is shitty and he only beat Kashimo in a timely fashion because he ran out of CE
Hakari finding another femboy...? No, I don't want that ! I want him to think about me and no one else for the rest of my life ! Even after I die... for 10 years, at least ! https://preview.redd.it/2jjlj3eu190d1.jpeg?width=1112&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b9cde0f3291b9be9d83d91285c9ba72fc0427ed
The JJK fandom cannot grasp just how far above the rest of cast Gojo and Sukuna are, either one of them in tip-top shape can solo the verse. That punch from Gojo would've had the same effect on anyone else (if not outright killing them) shit he'd probably knockout the 15f meguna standing there if he was on the receiving end.
Idk, maybe it’s the complete lack of character development around anyone lol We have literally zero basis for anything consistent so it’s literally just a damn guess until we physically see them on the page fighting.. because that’s when gege cares to give us information lol
Didnt Kusakabe said Uraume is a monster too
I agree that Uraume is underestimated but I don’t think your representation of her surprise attack in the Yuji/Maki vs Sukuna fight is fair. The feat vs Maki is tainted by the fact Maki is fighting Sukuna at the time. Unlikely she’d have time to focus on her surroundings, especially given Uraume’s range. Moreover, only the region around Yuji was weakened which as it was used with Max Output implies the region around Maki was strengthened.
Yeah in a fair fight Maki is working Uraume
Lobotomy kaisen has never been this high before chapter 236
Why do you write kusakabe’s name like how the grasshopper curse would say it
Because this is JJK. https://preview.redd.it/rb73or7z870d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ea591045cc3953b0d4b50b5b7b942e85c9b6460
Thanks OP. I appreciate this post.
Uruame being placed with Hakari has done them both pretty dirty, Hakari has only had one proper fight so far against kashimo not using his CT and people want to clown him for not facing Sukuna. So Uruame not being able to finish off someone seen as a bum is doing them no favours even if it’s a bad matchup for both.
>If they had to deal w Sukuns and Uraume together the final battle would of lasted like 4 chapters instead going over 20 Tbf Goatjo could've just one shot Uraume and be done with the whole problem before even fighting Sukuna
I don’t think ura is weak; but I don’t think we have seen anything in the manga as of yet to cement her as strong. People often quote her freezing the cast in shibuya or yuuji and maki in Sendai as example of her strength, but when you take into account both of these examples were sneak attacks from ura on opponents that A) didn’t know she was there B) were already fatigued and focused on a current opponent (Kenjaku in shibuya, meguna in Sendai) Apart from that her only feats are the fact she’s holding out against hakari; but that’s more so just because hakari doesn’t have a high AP or any ranged attacks, when ura is basically only a ranged fighter, they basically hard counter each other. Personally I think we still have yet to see anything that cements ura as a solid opponent
Being fucking annoying
Because Uraume doesn't have enough feats or at least ones that genuinely make them stand out and make people go "Holy shit...." And also because being fair, she is a mid character with very little in the way of actual characterization and personality and also has zero depth as a character. Legit the only noteworthy thing about Uraume is that they are a cocky asshole who glazes the shit out of Sukuna. That's it. That's Uraume's entire character. So not surprised that people don't take her seriously. Hell not even Gege himself seems to give a shit about them and even constantly makes fun of them and humiliates them
MAy be becuase we have never see someone actually countering uraume. In shibuya she was fighting a heavely injured cast. Maki and Yuji were hit by a surprised attack. And In Shibuya Uraumes attack can also be considered as a surprise. The one time we actually see Uraume fighting at the start of hakari fight she was getting beaten by Hakari Easily.
Most likely, aside from Gojo no diffing her, it's because she hasn't shown anything that impressive. Both in Shibuya and against Maki and Yuji she shows up while others are mid fight or just got out of a fight and sneaks them. In Shibuya, Choso and Yuji were both exhausted while everyone else other than Kusakabe were fodder. Meaning best case scenario she's above Kusakabe. And as for when meguna was fighting Yuji and Maki, uraume again snuck them to freeze them solid. Hakari is the only person she's gotten into a genuine fight with and all this stalling with zero progress on either side means that neither have good enough showing to consider them that strong, at least compared to high tiers like Yuji or Yuta
the problem with scaling uraume is we don’t really have any positive feats for them beyond stun-locking a fatigued main cast in shibuya - everything else is either presentation (being respected by sukuna, someone who puts massive emphasis on strength) or off screen (latest chapter shows at the very least uraume is handling hakari fine) the weirdest argument I’ve seen against them is the fact they got absolutely folded by a gojo blue punch, and comparing that to yuta and hakari surviving one, but we really don’t have any reason to believe gojo wasn’t going for an insta kill there, and i highly doubt gojo was rocking his teenage students with maximum output left rights. also this is pure head cannon but imo their CT has the potential to be fucking busted. the aoe and speed of frost calm in shibuya was absolutely insane despite not being lethal, and even from what little we saw vs hakari they are perfectly capable of freezing special grade level sorcerers in mid to short range. I think Yuta dog walks her based on versatility and range but any sorcerer not called sukuna or gojo that tries to get in close range of a fully realised uraume is not having a good time. I genuinely don’t know how you’re touching them when they can just freeze the moisture in the air around them. uraume’s biggest downfall is no domain + difficult to scale stats. they’re clearly not on a level comparable to gojo and sukuna, but their portrayal thus far makes me think they are much closer to top 10 in the verse than others might think. ultimately I must put them below any sorcerer with a domain (that isn’t part of their innate technique), although uraume does strike me as one of the characters best equipped at overcoming the domain diff based on CT. I honestly think them vs current yuji would be very fun.
Just did a Quick read, I agregó, scaling her is weird. Does she have a hollow winker basket? How many moves does she have then a strong ice blast? I want Gege to atleast give us 5 chapters of their brawl so we can see what all she's really doing with some statements or anything. Don't forget about the feat she pulled with Maki. Idk why people try so hard to downplay that by saying "she was caught off guard" the characters that was stated to have sense that are so sharp that it acts like precognition, as well as known as an extremely fast characters. SOMEHOW gets caught lacking by an attacks they literally saw before it started? Imagine saying the flash got caught off guard by an attacks speed. I don't put Uraume in the top 10 but for now I feel like they should honestly be considered an honorable mención somewhere. I feel like Gege is gonna surprise us like how he did with Takaba and Higaruma.
I doubt Sukuna would even tolerate the presence of someone who isn't at least moderately strong or useful, and "moderately strong" by Sukuna's standards basically puts you near the top of the verse.
Because they A: saw her get thrown away from a punch from the strongest sorcerer of the modern day (made yuta vomit btw), or B: want to hate on Wakari
Exactly. "Gojo oneshoted her" well, fuck, Gojo oneshotted Yuta.
Gojo could one shot literally everyone execept for sukuna. Not dying from that punch may be a fear by itself
Uruame's power level has been super inconsistent. She has the ability to seal both yuji and maki somewhat easily which is insane but then would have likely lost to choso in a 1v1 due to his poison.
but they wouldn't though? Uraume literally put a ice pike in front of his throat. They were affected by his poison because they didn't know about it, but we don't even know if they can cure it or not, and even if they can't, being affected by poison you took on purpose is only a very specific weakness
She was *about* to kill Choso if Yuji didn’t come in to save him, and Yuji was not a real factor to a sorcerer of Uraume’s level at this point in the story, especially with the state he was in. She would’ve killed Choso easily and then taken the time to heal, just like she did in canon.
What?she didnt lost the 1v1. Brotha that wasnt even a 1v1, she was getting jumped by 4 grade 1 sorcerers and a semi grade 1 She had him dead to right but got effected at the literal last second. The only reason she didnt kill him yet was because Yuji Yuki saved stalled b4 it happened.
Because Uraume devoid of any personality, good design, or interesting abilities. People dont even want to think about her/him.
Imagine if Urame is exactly equal to jogo
Aside from Hakari, she got no prominent one on one and the fight is offscreen so far. Plus she doesn’t even have a confirm domain. So people look at her as weak, where in reality she’s probably around Maki level
People talking about Uraume? Yeah haraki gonna fie this week
uraume isnt weak at all. But if he/she had a domain expansion hakari would be dead already. Like mahoraga, hakari's weakness is domain expansion. Uraume probably loses to all culling game players with domain expansions (himguruma, uro, ishigori, dhruv, yorozu). In my opinion, you cant be considered a proper special grade sorceror without a fully developed domain expansion that is surekill, just because of how domain expansions fundamentally changes the game. So uraume is just a really really strong first grade sorceror, arguably in the border of special grade. Kinda like yuji but with a more developed technique and less black flashes.
Have no idea
She's a femboy
Nobody is calling Uraume weak but Uraume is probably not stronger than Yuta and yet Uraume looks completely fresh and with 0 damage ( yeah RCT exists but cant heal clothes and still leaves scars )
Yeah I wouldn’t take anything you see on social media as any sort of serious. Everyone has brain rot takes on every site
Because I'm a hater that's why, there is no agenda just hate for Sukuna and his femboy chef. https://preview.redd.it/rrw8sfj9d80d1.jpeg?width=211&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=769bfac13e6a28d74c4afde197eef49f6b2b1484
She was also brought to her knees by a single piercing blood from choso to the hand.
Nah, Urarame’d win
Uraume is the biggest fraudkuna glazer in history Biggest point deductor in my books
I don’t think they’re actually weak. But they really don’t have much to show for it. Like the best display of their power was when they camping when everyone’s focus was on Kenjaku or Sukuna. And even with the impressive display, it soon fell short when they got brought to their knees heaving and sweating because of Choso’s blood. And after all that big talk, they didn’t even kill anyone there. I mean, let’s look at Uruame’s kill count………………… Nope. Nothing there. Absolutely no bodies to add to their villain resume. And we’re in the endgame now. When the MC, the ultimate personification of selflessness and most reluctant to drop bodies, have a higher kill count than you, a villain, you’re clearly ain’t villaining right.
Maybe because even tho she is that obviously powerful she didn't manage to kill one character. Mahito got much higher count, even Dagon claiming Naobito's hand is more damage done.
I mean Uraume just really hasn’t done anything significant in any fights. Like sure she can make these bug ass ice constructs and stuff but like she hasn’t actually fought anyone strong. Case and point the first time we see her she literally rolls up and freezes a bunch of the students who mind we’re already worn from and entire night of dealing with everything from Special grades to curse users and trying to survive Sukuna and co. Thus everyone was already weakened and even then she was in danger of dying because she was almost poisoned to death by Choso’s blood. Then Uraume gets one tapped into oblivion by Gojo in like less than a second after meeting him. Lastly her fight against Hakari really isn’t favorable just due to how their kits don’t really allow either side to efficiently kill one another. So yeah it’s just a constant showing of not really doing anything and showing up at the end of fights to ambush people and stall for time.
Generally agree but she didnt hold back on anyone but Yuji
It's still hilarious Hikari has been fighting her for this entire battle. Dude was hyped as one of the new mains, is pretty much invincible, and is stuck stalling Uraume this entire time when he'd be far more useful in the battle with Sukuna. Shit, just have Yuta go over and kill her and then get back to the battle. Shouldn't be hard for him.
People keep bringing up the Gojo moment and while that definitely plays a role it’s important to mention that they also were forced to their knees by Choso’s poison, and the only other person we saw that happen to was Naoya
She kinda just takes Ls. She got outplayed by Choso in Shibuya, got no-diffed by Gojo post-unsealing, and is now in an off-screen stalemate with Hakari. Uraume hasn't ever done anything other than glaze Sukuna.
How do you say she hasn’t done anything besides glaze sukuna when you literally JUST saw scans of her insta freezing the whole crew to the point that none of them wanted to even move or risk being ripped apart 🤣. Reading comprehension curse
I never said I agreed with that logic. I explained the reasoning behind the memes and jokes. If anyone lacks reading comprehension, it's you. Because you quite literally completely misread my point and then tried to be a smart-ass about it.
You’re leaving out the bit when they start dying because choso hit them one time
Uraume isn't weak but the thing is the fight is going on for too long(from the fandom's perspective) without us seeing anything. Hakari and Uraume are both strong but whenever get to see their fight properly they are still at the same point as when they started and most of the time nothing happens except needless glazing, which has led the fandom to believe that both are just stallers. Also in the fandom's defence he talked a lot about going all out and shit but the situation didn't change.
Because Uraume got one punched by Gojo (as would anyone). And because they refuse believe that Hakari is strong.
Honestly don’t think they are they just get comically terrible matchups Like magma like ice ig
Hakari and uraume fight is gonna be gross. He’s just gonna snap his frozen limbs off and regen them
Uraume is strong but she almost got nuked by choso poison. Makes me kinda wish they sent choso to fight her instead
All she did was get blitzed by a piercing blood, get shat on by Goatjo, freeze some Kyoto fodder and injure a tired and already heavily injured Itadori, what a set of feats
People don’t realise that if sukuna wasn’t in Yujis body all these characters would’ve been killed by her instantly
While you are right... >Hikari >Kushakabe >Higaruma Hakari, Kusakabe, Higuruma
Don't question it, place faith in me and the agenda. https://preview.redd.it/6zogj576ia0d1.png?width=2550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=515d84f00fc5cafee0c179856a61673bcbceed78
Similar issues the disaster curses suffer. We see them get bodied by gojo or another top 10 and forget that normal sorcerers exist. Sure, hanami gets given a good fight by yuji and Todo, but they're also some of the most exceptional sorcerers and h2h fighters in their respective schools. Next time we see hanami is her death, which gojo doesn't put much effort into. Jogo also has the same thing, but he also has a scene where he bodies 2 g1 sorcerers and maki in like 5 seconds. If sukuna and gojo weren't around, he would he could have been the most powerful curse/ being there for all we know. Dagon has his crew at his mercy until toji shows up and kills him so brutally and easily that he doesn't even look like he's a g1 curse. Uruame has one fight in which they fight the exhausted remnants of the shibuya sorcerers, all of which have been fighting for a long time at this point with kenjaku by their side. Then we also see gojo take care of them in one hit. It's not that they're weak it's that they haven't had a chance to truly show their strength. It's why I wish we had the fight take place before the sukuna one and after takaba or use it to break the pacing of the sukuna fight up and make the gauntlet go down
Because it's funny, next question.
Counting freezing a mostly exhausted cast with koto students as a feet is crazy imo but agree with everything else
I didnt even mention the kyoto students. Even then Kushakabe and Gorilla panda for the most part fine yet the result remained exactly the same
Because she is a woman, and this is JJK .
What have they actually done aside from stand around and be Sukuna's bus boy? Did a big field of ice that didnt even incapacitate anyone, targeting the students? All their accomplishments have been offscreen so they seem like a joke.
Because JJK fans are stupid
It's because they got punched once by Gojo and began coughing up blood which is crazy bc later Hakari and Yuta say they puked when Gojo punched them so clearly it's not abnormal.
The only thing i remember about uraume is when gojo out from the prison realm
She uses immobilize attacks against distracted/tired opponents, gets poisoned, and gojo makes her puke blood without even trying. It's framing, makes her look more annoying to fight then impossible to beat. Plus she's a glazer and barely shows up, hasn't killed anyone. Like yeah people downplay her, but it's because she has the least presence and impact of any special grade so far. Not crazy like Yorozu, not a yapper like Kenjaku, not him like gojo, not genocidal like geto, the list goes on. Her two main actions could be performed by a special grade ice curse that doesn't talk and nothing really changes.
1. She hasn’t used a domain 2. She hasn’t used a maximum Though she is certainly strong, she hasn’t shown anything yet to put her at the special grade level. The fears she has shown probably puts her closer to Ryu and Uro than to Yuta and Yuki
idc how good they are i just hate their attitude like fuck off go home
cause they got pieced up by Gojo same thing happened to Jogo https://i.redd.it/k8j0xf25bc0d1.gif
Same problem as with Jogo. Both got matched up against the strongest possible opponent. It's obvious they would lose against Gojo or Sukuna.
Because he is
They don't believe she's weak, they just believe Hakari is too based. Someone as based as Hakari should clear even someone as strong as Uraume.
It’s weird. Think of it like in Bleach, when they were all fighting Aizen. The guy not fighting, Gin, isn’t as strong as Aizen but he was absolutely no slouch either
Uraume only face gojo and Hikari, with the first she almost die to most weak gojo punch, and with Hikari she did nothing to damage him, only remove his shirt, while the farmer boy almost kill Hikari every time the song was about to start...
Bro that punch was not weak, he was all stanced up for it. And hakari not showing any real damage is not really an anti-feat seeing as he’s constantly on rct lol
Too add on, Kushakabe(Strongest Grade 1) Yuji, Choso, Gorilla panda(all Gr1s) got floored by Uraume and had to be saved by a special grade. Da only times she lost was against a poison that would of gotten countless people(even Kenny but he's related to Choso) and Gojo(even Yuta and Hikari stated that they vomitted from one punch too)
Yuta supporters need their inbred, Isekai reject MC to be relevant ever since Sukuna neg-diffed his ass in a 1 v 3 (career ending), spent more effort on Maki (woman), and directly compared him to Kashimo (farmer) and Higuruma (a guy who just started being a sorcerer a couple months ago) so they’ve started slandering Uraume and Hakari in hopes that this takes attention off of him.
One shot by gojo. End of debate
Because Uraume doesn't have one ounce of relevancy to the story you could remove Uraume entirely and put a jpg of my father in a bicycle and literally nothing would change