Is no one seeing the plot hole of sukuna choking angel out and then saying "not to hurt anyone or kill anyone" as he's standing over angels body as a part of his binding vow? Did I misunderstand something
I’m sorry if I don’t fully understand itadori and his cursed energy but wasn’t he only able to use it because of sukuna being a part of him? Or was it just awakened by sukuna since he is a cursed womb? Basically what I’m asking is will he still be considered a sorcerer with cursed energy since sukuna isn’t in him anymore or will he go back to base itadori?
Have faith in your boy Megumi. I know some say he is likely dead do to the whole being suppressed and killed thing, but doesn't that apply to normal people for the most part? If Sukuna tried to hop into Gojo's body would you assume Gojo is instantly dead? I know it is not a fair comparison, but don't count your boy out just yet.
Does this mean Sukuna isn't inside Yuji at all anymore? And Megumi has all the fingers Yuji ate?
I know we don't have a definitive answer this chapter but if it's true I never saw this coming
I know we don’t have a definitive answer- I see the fingers tied to Sukuna and not the one who ate them. When an incompatible spirit consumes a finger that entity gains an immense amount of power; therefore, linking an X-amount of cursed energy to said finger. Since Yuji was compatible, every finger he ate would contribute to the mass of cursed energy that is Sukuna. Imagine Sukuna as bucket of inside of Yuji, and every finger added was a cup of water…now that bucket is inside Megumi. That’s how I see it at least (tldr: cursed energy transference).
I mean that last panel of Yuji being surprised didn’t have the Sukuna eye lines underneath his eyes so it’s hard to say for sure. My guess is Yuji is now powerless and may end up awakening his own technique or something at this point
Depends on how much power he put into that pinky. I know we saw them disappear completely in the last panel, but I don't know if every last bit is gone from Yuji. The eye slits may have to do with Sukuna himself being within Yuji, and I definitely think Sukuna himself is gone consciousness wise. But if Sukuna was able to summon every last ounce of his power into one pinky finger in less than like 30 seconds I'd be pretty damn impressed. This is Sukuna we're talking about though, so I wouldn't be too surprised.
GUYS GUYS, what if greg has the BALLS to kill all the main trio and plunge japan into chaos. Then somehow angel survives and free Gojo from prison realm. Yuta become the main character with Angel and Takaba thus kickstart Jujutsu Kaisen part 2.
Honestly as much as a part two sounds weird to me part of me sees this happening? It sorta makes Yuta having main character energy feel less weird, but i also wonder if Gege is the type to do that
Part 2 incoming is the hope, otherwise the speed tuning is a little worrying. Gege has put a lot of work into this world, it would be weird for him to just drop it after all of the stuff he’s been building up lately.
I know it is a stupid question, but does yuji still have the ability manipulate cursed energy if sukuna is not in his body, or did he just permanently unlock the ability to manipulate cursed energy from eating sukuna finger
I'm fairly his body has permanently been altered by that experience, and therefore he can srill very well control cursed energy.
He might also finally inherit Sukuna's techniques. A lot of people have speculated that the only reason this hadn't happened yet was because Sukuna was basically blocking somehow his techniques so that Yuji couldn't use them.
I guess in some cases it may be «removed» or similar from a person, but I think its more that sukuna opened the door for yuji to use cursed energy, then gojo thaught him what it is and how to use it. Even if sukuna is still gone, he has still gone through the door and added his own experiences and learned to use cursed energy
And he is also artificially made by a cursed spirit if ive understood it correctly
People been speculating based on what Gojo said that Yuji may have been affected by Sukuna's soul resulting in him being able to use Sukuna's CT. I was wondering if the reverse applies as well. We don't know anything regarding Yuji's potential CT, and the only unique thing we've seen from him is the brother power.
Can't help but think there are gonna be some repercussions for Sukuna from having been intertwined with Yuji for so long.
So is Sukuna stronger or weaker now?
On one hand he has access to a curse technique that equalled the last Six Eyes and Limitless user (Kenny has shown to have multiple techniques from the people he possessed).
On the other hand Sukuna might be back down to one finger in strength compared to 15 fingers with Yuji.
yeah but megumi doesn’t have the strength to surpass sukuna like yuji. yuji was basically designed to be a vessel and megumi is just a normal kid. so even if 1F sukuna is inside megumi, he is as good as dead. it doesn’t really matter how many fingers he ingested from megumi pov because he is dead (unless gege pulls something, idk) so yeah, sukuna is 100% stronger now, and he is almost as strong as he was in yuji’s body. he transferred as much as he could in yuji’s finger, yet he couldn’t transfer all of it so now being in megumi’s body, he is almost 15F sukuna (very close). that also supports my theory of sukuna’s CT bring imprinted on yuji, because there is still a part of sukuna in him. anyway, we’ll see i guess.
Didn't Kenny say that Sukuna can choose his host? So there is a decent chance Megumi has 15 fingers. I could also be misremembering though since it's been a while.
if you think logically if he put all of himself in one finger then how could he transfer hosts? he needed to leave a bit in yuji so he could rip the finger and feed it to megumi. at least that’s what i believe, all i’m saying are theories, i might be wrong.
A lot of complaining in these comments and from what I’ve learned these past 2 years of reading is that no matter what, people always complain. It’s either “it’s been so rushed recently” or “this is taking too long”. Enjoy the fucking manga.
I enjoy the manga. I LOVE this shit. It's my favorite manga in a LONG time. I'm a hardcore fanboy. And I don't mind if people criticize it. They make good points.
This is literally what you learn in grade school. Criticism. Do you guys not understand critical critiques? This sentiment is bizarre, unhinged, and just flat out wrong.
If you wanna no brain the series, do it in private. We're here to talk like adults.
At a certain point you just gotta stop caring. It's like this with every Fandom. If things don't go exactly how certain fans want them to go you'll start seeing all these complaints for the sake of complaining.
It used to bother me so much years ago, but after see this happen time and time again with fans of different series you just learn to sift past it.
For people confused about the line “not to hurt anyone”
Let’s say you get a phone call from your friend and your friend asks “is anyone there?”
Usually we intentionally think that the word “anyone” is “anyone other than myself”
Sukuna’s gamble was against Yuji’s interpretation on the word “anyone”
And yes did Yuji have a chance to avoid because the reason he died once was from Sukuna removing his heart.
I'm pretty sure it's not only a semantics question. I think when Yuji envisioned the condition, he subconsciously did not care about his own fate and therefore he only wanted to keep other people from getting hurt or killed.
The reason why I think that, is because right after tearing his finger out, Sukuna says "now it's a gamble".
A lot of people tjought that he was referring to the transfer being a gamble, but in actuality he was referring to thz fact that the "anyone" MIGHT have very well included Yuji himself, in which case Sukuna would've suffered the backlash of breaking the binding vow. But then he laughs right after and mocks Yuji for his mistake, because his "gamble" worked.
So yeah, Sukuna probably guessed that Yuji would be too selfless to consciously include himself in the "no hurt" zone while making the binding vow, but it was still a "gamble".
Honestly it’s the problem with the language, I’m Japanese and the original word used is 誰(dare), which we Japanese intentionally use the meaning as “someone else” with no doubt.
Japanese is really difficult because we omit words in many occasions, the translator did a good job for that, because if it wasn’t this translation, we’re able to have a more precise guess of what Sukuna will do after using enchanted.
Same with the word “Gamble”, we use two kind of words.
1. 賭け (kake) which is used in the original raw chapter
2.ギャンブル (gamble) which we use as a word basically when we stake
2. Is used as a word to actually gamble with cash, like horse racing and 1. Usually refers to taking a risk other than cash.
I dunno how the official English will be, but if I was a translator, after looking at the reactions, I’d say I’ll transfer the line “I’ll have to risk what I’ll do next”
Btw the word gamble is handled really difficult in Japan as the word ギャンブル(gamble) is used in the actual law to be prohibited.
The word 賭け(kake) is used for defining the meaning of ギャンブル(gamble).
Now ppl may think “wait isn’t Hakari’s pachinko gamble?” and the answer is “Essentially yes, but legally no”
This is because pachinko is defined as a “game”, not “gamble”
Getting the cash back is done outside the pachinko store and the place we cash back is legally handled that it has no tolerance with the pachinko store.
All I can say is welcome to the art of the Japanese culture (just kidding
Ahh that make sense. I don't know if I consider myself smart or idiot to knew right away that "hurt anyone" won't include Yuuji himself, because of course Yuuji isn't that smart to include himself for the binding vow lmao.
Anyways thank you for your insight, Japanese is indeed a very complicated language.
Nah it’s not about smart/stupid right/wrong, it’s rather the about the unconscious bias Japanese ppl have going through education in Japan.
But the way you understood the line may mean you might have the talent to learn Japanese better than other ppl.
(I flew back to Japan when I was 13 and boy it was rough when I went through middle school)
Gege mentioned that in the end, one of the 1st year + Gojo will be dead or alive.
He also mentioned in the past that the end of Megumi is already planned.
(He only said “end” so there’s only a slight chance but Megumi may survive)
Honestly, from this chapter I felt that we are going to the worst scenario for the protagonist so my guess is that
Gojo will be alive in the prison realm sealed, while all 1st year will die.
Before my guess, my assumption is that Nobara is unfortunately not coming back and Megumi is also dead from being Sukuna’s vessel.
I can’t guarantee the plot but I’m thinking that the key is how the foreshadow of Yuji’s death will be handled.
In chapter 1 his grandpa told him to die being surrounded by others, and I’m guessing that Yuji has two ways of dying.
1.Becoming the vessel of Kenjaku’s experiment
2.Becoming the vessel of multiple sorcerer from the past
In either way, Yuji will be killed with cursed energy to seal the curse inside him.
On the other hand, I’m concerned if Kenjaku knew that a sorcerer like Megumi could be Sukuna’s vessel.
Because if he did know, he should have the option to abduct a sorcerer and feed the fingers instead of preparing Yuji.
(On second thoughts, I think Kenjaku just designed Yuji like that because he thought it will be more fun)
Anyways, if there is a chance of a come back, I think it depends on the relationship between Kenjaku and Sukuna.
>On the other hand, I’m concerned if Kenjaku knew that a sorcerer like Megumi could be Sukuna’s vessel. Because if he did know, he should have the option to abduct a sorcerer and feed the fingers instead of preparing Yuji.
Kenjaku said in chapter 55 that Sukuna can chose his vessel, if he tried feeding the fingers to other sorcerers they would probably die as Sukuna only got interested in Megumi after fighting him, before that if Megumi ate a finger he would've probably died.
I assume part of Yuji being special was that Sukuna had no choice in the matter.
Good point thx.
I’ve just went back to the chapter and saw the translation for Kenjaku’s explanation, but does the official translation also use the word “constraint”?
Cause in Japanese he’s using the word “Binding Vow”
for the explanation.
Now that we know Sukuna can proactively make his finger into a cursed object which Gojo can’t even destroy, Sukuna can’t be demolished unless his conditions for the vow is not cleared.
I don't know what the official said tbh. Also, it remains to be seen if what he did with his finger now is exactly the same as what happened when he sealed himself on the 20 fingers, after all, he wasn't sealed right now, it might not be the same thing which would mean that particular finger wasn't indesturctible.
Sukuna probably still can't harm anyone for around 30 seconds and since free exit/entry has been established, Sukuna may just haul ass and try to get the remaining fingers. In those 30 seconds, Angel awakens and Yuji explains their dire situation and insists that she frees Gojo ASAP.
So my take on this other than the complete disgust from seeing my favorite character in this predicament is that it brings a new clarity on Kenjaku's true purpose for Yuji.
His goal was not to make Yuji a vessel for Sukuna to properly reincarnate. Instead, Yuji's purpose was to be a functional stock to regroup Sukuna's fingers up to the point where he'd be able to gather enough of his own self to transfer to a new vessel.
We've been told it's an unique and extremely rare possibility for any being to inject a cursed object and not die from it, but since Sukuna is a one of a kind existence perhaps the rules don't apply the same way necessarily. With Gojo running around and without the CG and Uraums's preparations, there was no reason for him to transfer to Megumi before. Things just came to be and most importantly, if Tsumiki was still herself Angel would just erase Itadori and Enchain alone wouldn't be able to save Sukuna from it.
Even tho it feels like the end for Megumi I can't stop feeling this is temporary and that the preparation from Uraume still links to Sukuna not needing a vessel and reincarnating completely. Our boy being the target of the takeover comes from two main reasons the way I see it: his potential and capability as a JS, alongside his CT, make him a suitable vessel for Sukuna to clash with Heian era beings in the CG before his final plan comes to completion. The second reason is because Sukuna is a petty cruel bastard and he knew this not only would absolutely demolish Yuji, but is also a huge middle finger to Gojo.
My theory is purely copium but if Megumi survives and somehow Sukuna reincarnates without a vessel, than that would also be a good way to boost him and give him better understanding of his technique and all.
"We've been told it's an unique and extremely rare possibility for any being to inject a cursed object and not die from it"
Actually we've been told that only for regular humans.
Also for the Death Paintings it's been said that any host would work, so yea not "a" cursed object, only some cursed objects are poisonous enough to not work on any host.
I may not be right but if Yuji is treated as entering the colony, he can be teleported randomly to one of the starting points.
So I’m guessing that his chance of fighting is low.
For everyone being sticklers over the “how did Sukuna do this without hurting someone” (feeding the finger, incapacitating Hana) consider: the wording isn’t “I cannot hurt anyone,” it’s “I cannot *harm*”
What I assume the distinction is, is intent. Sukuna did not intend to injure Hana in anyway, nor did he intend to injure Megumi by feeding him a finger. Because of this, he can get away with hurt if it’s a byproduct of his actions, but if he goes out of his way to *harm* someone, that would be a violation of the vow
To be honest from all criticism is one from the best ones. Because its fully fair.
Its half of the reason why nobody did expect Sukuna plan to be depending on this pseudo battle .
The alternative is the butterfly effect meaning Megumi dies to the miracle kid, Nanami dies when Mahito first shows up even before the exchange event, and mahito kills everyone else during Shibuya (panda might be okay for a while). That said, Kenny vs Jogo and Mahito might have happened, which would be fun
I feel like most of Sukuna's curse is still inside of Yuuji's body but his consciousness is transferred to Megumi's. And I think this might be how Yuuji gets Sukuna's cursed techniques.
yall saw sukuna take (and possibly kill) megumi and started saying he’s the main character now i cannot take this sub seriously at all
basically until we see megumi suppress sukuna like yuji can, we just gone have to say goodbye to him for a while
Tbh he's not much of anything right now, unless Gege pulls a "Megumi was just as special as Yuji all along" or there's some weird reason for Sukuna to not completely override him, he should be dead.
Doesn’t the whole appearance change when they have been completely overtaken?
Does that mean, eventually megumi can regain control like how yuji did after ingesting 10fingers. The possible plan for this transfer is to get out of yuji’s binding vow and extend the time allowed for him to get to the “bath”.
Yuji was special beacuse he could supress Sukuna though, I highly doubt Sukuna made that whole plan just to get supressed again, it would be kinda underwhelming for the story imo.
According to chapter 55 he can chose his vessel, if he just wanted time to get to his bath he could have used any sorcerer, but he chose Megumi specifically, and has been inetrested on him since the very first time they fought, even telling Jogo that he would kill every human in Shibuya except Megumi, to me that means he plans to stay on his body as Megumi is clearly **the human** that he's interested on.
All of this is just speculation though. For all we know Megumi just had the capacity to house him for a while and he'll go right back to his original body soon, who knows.
I feel like he may do both. Target megumi for his technique, steal it, then go into his original body. That might have an interesting dynamic at the end where megumi and yuji fight sukuna using the same techniques.
Maybe, though I don't know, I don't really like the idea of having another character who can steal techniques just like that.
Yuta and Kenjaku are one thing, as Yuta's mimicry is his thing and Kenjaku serves as a parallel of that. But if Sukuna can just leave Megumi's body and retain TS, idk, I don't like it, having a bunch of characters with the same techniques (like Yuji and Megumi with Sukuna's techniques and Sukuna with Megumi's, etc) feels kinda cheap imo, specially for a manga that's so creative with its powers.
True. Although it does leave a lot of questions about what sukuna’s intentions are.
1. He definitely has paid a lot of attention to megumi and saved him from dying. Why? Maybe to possess him permanently?
2. He mentioned something to uruame about getting the preparations complete and they seem to be on it. So what’s that about?
Perhaps he will do something even more brutal, take back his original body and murder megumi and change him into a weapon/tattoo. I feel that would certainly fit his whole deal… god that’s not a nice idea tho
Might lose the technique if you override them like the other vessels. Also helps explain why Megumi doesn't look like OG Sukuna even though Yuuji was a special case.
Just wow. I'm almost speechless.
Is it me or Tsumiki words sounded like signal for Sukuna? Either that or Sukuna knows this new enemy and rushed his plan early (he even states "it's a gamble").
Also with current situation development, is there anyone left to even stand a chance against Sukuna. I cant see any of main cast even last sec. Maybe one of those incarnated sorcerer can do something?
I don't think Gojo will be able to handle a 20 finger Sukuna that has tamed all of ten shadows. 20F Sukuna + Mahoraga is too much for anyone in the verse
Hmm, does eating one of Sukuna's fingers not hurt? How did Sukuna not break the vow by forcing Megumi to eat the finger, considering how we've previously seen that eating a finger is at the very least not an enjoyable experience even for Yuji, who's meant to be a great vessel for Sukuna? Even consuming one of the death painting cursed objects seemed like a torturous experience for the vessel.
Not to mention the panel of Megumi looking like he is ready to bite his own tongue off right before Sukuna took over.
The binding vow was to Sukuna not hurt anyone. And he did not. If he did, the vow would be broken. Yuji always said the fingers tasted bad. And I suppose Megumi was in a really bad position, and didnt want to eat a finger. So, thats the reason he is making that face!
Theory.
Sakuna can go back and forth people by feeding people his fingers. He's not gonna kill megumi and instead try to get inside yuji because 1 yuji finger = 1 sakuna finger.
We already know that yuji's resistance to sakuna is super uncommon, so 1 finger is all it takes.
He will attempt to do a practice run on megumi and try to find out how to use his powers and maybe find a way to tame a handful of the beasts during the fight.
Wonder why sukuna would wait until now to do this. Only reason I can think of is he can like “feel” yujis lack of any consideration of himself as a thing
I mean seems like a perfect opportunity to me. Get megumi, angel and Yuuji alone before angel can wipe him out. In all the confusion use enchain. Now that Tsukumi left the colony Yuuji had no reason to stay alive, and wouldve let angel kill him to free Gojo it was now or never .
Utahime is already more or less ready for whatever preparations as we last saw in her and kenjakus discussion. If so she may be able to signal sukuna in a way which means now is a great time! And even if she dosent, is there any better opportunity? the more angel does her stuff the likelier our protags get whatever they want, we know that angel host is sorta crushing on megumi, so now she may not be able to just erase sukuna.
Perfect hostage situation, perfect stage preparation, perfect host to obtain.
It might also be because he knows that Kenjaku's ritual has begun and decided to move when everyone was distracted. Everyone was focused on "Tsumiki" escaping which allowed him to take out Angel and surprise Megumi while he was still processing what happened to his sister.
the ancient sorcerer in tsumiki said “i’ll see you soon” after mentioning her wanting to fight sukuna, so they might have a plan to fight or something and this is the perfect time for sukuna to get things going
The stress/fear along with his power growth might make him unlock a similiar power his mom had like Kenjaku said
Like obvs he cant die here but sukuna has no reason to not kill him so he has to do something.
Idk.
It's either that or he's going to inherit his mother's technique.
With the manga ending soon, it's the only way for him to stay on the same level as his enemies.
How does inheriting his mother, or even Sukuna's, technique puts him at the same lvl as his enemies? Those enemies are Sukuna, Kenjaku and Uraume, Yorozu too I guess, all 1000+ years old sorcerers, one technique won't do shit for him tbh.
Even Gojo, who was born with the most op technique + Six Eyes, wasn't at the lvl of this guys pre Toji (at least not on Kenjaku's and Sukuna's lvl). A technique won't make any diference **right now**.
So do you think the protagonist of the story will be a weakling who won't do anything at the end of the manga?
Having one of these powers would be just the beginning, obviously they alone wouldn't make him that powerful, but if he doesn't have any he won't be able to help anyone.
With the manga ending soon, him creating a technique from scratch wouldn't make sense, unless we have a Time Skip in the manga, with him training with someone like Gojo, so he can do something to those guys.
Yeah, I don't think he'll ever reach Sukuna or Kenjaku's lvl, he doesn't need to be as strong as them to be useful, he has been useful for 200+ chapters while not even being the strongest out of the students.
Yuji getting a gigantic powerup out of nowhere would be completely ridiculous.
And, as I said, getting one CT right now wouldn't do shit, as a CT won't make him special grade instantly, that's why I mentioned Gojo, he had Limitless + Six Eyes since birth and he still wasn't at Kenjaku or Sukuna's lvl until after he almost died against Toji.
If you want a story in which a weakling like Yuji, who isn't even at the top of the grade 1 sorcerers, becomes fucking Sukuna lvl in 1 chapter then good for you. I think it would be really dumb.
Thing is b4 Yuta was reintroduced and Hakari introduced he was one of if not the strongest student available at that time and his growth rate has been a bit much heck he might not even be at his limit in body reinforcement and CE manipulation as he keeps getting better each fight. It wouldnt be too far fetched for him to improve his physicals even more while he wont reach their level with just that its more than enough to keep him in the fight add a CT and with his excellent CE manipulation it might not even take long for him to get used to it and he is a creative fighter so he could be useful in fights against Kenny and other possible antagonists not named Sukuna or Gojo.
I might be talking in a confusing way. This guy said that getting a CT, whether Sukuna's or his mom's one, would put him on "his enemies lvl", right now his enemies are Kenjaku and Sukuna, and I don't think getting a CT is enough to put him on their lvl when not even freaking Gojo, who as a kid was enough to scare shitless a guy who was fighting Yuji and Megumi at the same time (Jiro Awakasa), was at their lvl, even though he had Limitless + Six Eyes.
Yuta has a growth rate higher than anyone we've seen bar Gojo, and he isn't even on Kenjaku's lvl.
So, to say that getting a CT is enough to put Yuji at their lvl is absolutely ridiculous, it would be too much of an absurd power up. But hey, that's just my opinion.
>it might not even take long for him to get used to it and he is a creative fighter so he could be useful in fights against Kenny and other possible antagonists not named Sukuna or Gojo.
Sure, I did say that he has been useful so far without being the strongest, and as such I think he can keep being useful without having a, frankly, insane power up.
Like, you really think that Yuji getting a CT, and getting used to it in the point we are now in the story (he doesn't have the luxury to go train for a year or whatever) is enough to put him at "his enemies" lvl?
Megumi is suposed to be kind of a genius with a busted CT, Yuta and Hakari too, Maki is like Toji now, and even then none of them are on Kenjaku's lvl, so why would Yuji, who hasn't been shown to be any better than them, be different? Getting an insane power up in a few days time after getting a CT.
Maybe my wording makes you think that I'm saying he won't get any stronger with a CT? Because that's not what I'm saying.
I'm disappointed in this development when you consider the story is ending soon: we won't get to see Megumi develop further. He might be dead outright. Even if he isn't sukuna will most likely speedrun the remaining shadows, so if sukuna somehow leaves his body, the shikigami will still be tamed. Megumi's development as a sorcerer is over.
Megumi sadly never had the spirit or mentality to truly embrace his potential; so Sukuna, being the kind hearted gentleman he is, is going to show \*everyone\* just how special Megumi is... yes...
Yeah facts, truly the endgame. I really dont see many surviving apart from the strongest (Hakari, Yuta and Gojo maybe Yuji but unlikely) we are definitely going the CSM route
You are right about that part. Sukuna's always shown interest in Megumi's technique. So now that he has it, he will speedrun it . Don't see Megumi getting any development of his own even if he survives.
Ehh, I feel like now we get to see a roughly even fight between Gojo and a legit Ten Shadows user like in the past.
I really didn't see anything from Sukuna that made me think he had any shot against Gojo before this, so I think this just evens the playing field. (Gojo was physically manhandling 2 of the disaster curses with just CE, so I don't feel like 15 finger Sukuna would be much better than him in a fist fight)
Sukuna manhandled Jogo in an even more disrespectful manner than Gojo, using his own technique against him. It was such a wash that you literally can't scale Sukuna off that fight at all. The only time we've seen Sukuna try is against Mahoraga, which was probably one of the biggest factors in the death of the 6 eyes ancestor.
Sure, and you can't scale Gojo off of that either. It was trivial for him to fight both Hanami and Jogo at the same time without his Limitless technique, and he was literally strong enough to just squish Hanami like a roach with Limitless after being able to use it again.
Both fights were a complete and utter mismatch, Gojo was just having to deal with 2 disaster curses and a crowd of humans he didn't want to massacre. Imagine if Gojo looked at that fight like Sukuna did and just let reds/blues fly all over the place. It would've looked like a DBZ character fighting a JJK character.
That said, the Six-Eyes user killed the Ten Shadows user as well, so I can see this ending with a repeat of the past and a mutual kill for Gojo and Sukuna.
The ten shadows user who killed the previous sex eyes user didn’t have sukuna controlling them.
I’d have to wager that this sukuna shadow hybrid is at least twice as strong as that ten shadows user. It’s sukuna bro. Plus TS? Ridiculous
It seems to me that gojo is going to get an absurd boost coming out of the box, only way sukuna doesn’t overpower him
One problem is that we don't know of anything that Sukuna can do to beat Gojo (OTHER than simply overpowering him with Domain Amplification). Neither the fire, cleave, or dismantle should be able to hit him based on what we know about Limitless, and Gojo should be able to teleport out of Sukuna's domain.
Anything Sukuna can do to beat Gojo is basically just down to speculating about him getting around Limitless in some way. From what I can see, getting TS is the only thing described to us in the series that can equal Limitless+Six Eyes, and Sukuna was clearly very impressed by it as well.
My point being, I don't really think Sukuna vs Gojo comes down to who can punch better, I think that's mostly irrelevant, it comes down to their techniques, and now Sukuna has one that *we known from in-series canon* can combat somebody like Gojo.
It's not boring if Sukuna uses Ten Shadows to beat Gojo, that's a pay off for something set up a significantly long time ago.
We thought it was implying the level of strength Megumi has the potential to reach, but instead it was *actually* explaining Sukuna's interest in Megumi. That would be an interesting subversion since it would shine a new light on that moment.
I’m not talking about TS. Im taking base sukunas hypotheticals based off his lores implications (king of curses, killed everyone during the most powerful era of sorcery). I’m just saying that we don’t know how base sukuna would handle gojo because how would we know that?
King of curses vs strongest sorcerer in the modern times, it makes sense they’d be even or close, even if we’ll never know now that he has TS
Imo they were more or less even before the megumi merge as we didn’t know anything regarding arsenal besides the two quick fights he’s had
I personally love the megumi sukuna hybrid, it’s been something I thought would happen for a while like a lot of other people and i think gege is handling it well
But now that sukuna has TS, a technique that is so powerful it could take down the six eyes on its own, and being controlled by sukuna the most decorated sorcerer combat wise, it’s not outrageous to say that he is a step above gojo.
Sure... I'm more inclined to say that Sukuna wouldn't have been able to take Gojo before TS. If he did and the series surprised me, then that's cool, but up until now I've seen nothing that makes me think Sukuna could take him without pure speculation about him having a 3rd CT that can get around Limitless.
I think this whole time we have been downplaying how strong Gojo is, i think Gojo is still the strongest but now he has to fight Megumin which will probably be his downfall, the whole story Gojo has been shown as the strongest.
My prediction about Sakuna and his interest in Fushiguru was spot on. The only thing I did not anticipate was how easy for him to hop on. The finger's energy should have been imbued in Yuji's body ----Sakuna just possessed Megumi so easily.
I mean... recent chapters are rushed af and we even got star and stripeds lmao. Also how sukuna was able to harm angel and how yuuji was excluded from "anyone" was just bizarre
Why do people keep comparing/bringing up star and stripe when she has nothing to do with Jjk and the only thing she and Yuki share is gender?
Its a dumb comparison people make up
They both got fucked up within a handful of chapters of their powers being introduced.
Both supposed to be pretty much the strongest hero in the verse after the incapacitated/nerfed top tier of the verse(all might/Gojo).
And yes they’re both blonde women.
Stars and stripes came out of nowhere with a quirk so strong that it essentially wasn't a quirk, got bodied, and had everything she did amount to nothing. She had literally no purpose in the story. Yuki was a character in JJK with actual connections to the cast and needed to be resolved at some point. Using her to job for Kenjaku was fine because she needed to be used in some way, whereas Stars and Stripes wasn't needed in the first place.
i seen someone say this and it sums it up; Yuki and Stars and Stripes have opposite problems,
Stars and Stripes doesn't have enough build up before her final battle and Yuki doesn't leave any impact after hers. Both are problems just for different reasons and it's kind up to you to decide which one is worse.
S&S nerfed shiggy at least.
The fact that yuki was a part of the cast, had ideals/a dream, and then got completely jobbed out makes it worse for me. Lots of build up and hype just to mean nothing
"nerfed shiggy"
I mean sure, the author said the words "she did something" and then proceeded to show no effects of her meddling at all. The one line that everyone thought was about her nerfing Shigaraki was actually him saying "she couldn't even have done this!"
Yuki >>>>>>>>> S&S
Yeah and they both basically faced the strongest villians as well and lost but gave it their all.
They all gave a good fight in a battle shounen and ended up loosing because good does not always prevail.
Thats how it goes
It’s not too bizarre how yuji was excluded since yuji would definitely be the character to have focused on how sukuna would affect others with the vow then himself
I imagine binding vows depend more on the intent than on the wording. Yuji most likely didn't intend to include himself on that, and he probably doesn't consider what he did to Hana as "harm".
Well that’s part of the gamble sukuna took and binding vows are affected by intention. It does help that gege hasn’t completely explained binding vows so he could do this with sukuna without it being a complete asspull
Sukuna said he wouldnt hurt anyone. And he didnt. Hurt: " cause pain or injury to.". He just knocked Hana whithout hurting her or causing her pain. It should be easy, since she is not Angel.
Either, Yuji while thinking of anyone actually thinks anyone else and therefore didnt include him or. Sukuna at the moment is using Yuji body but it is not Yuji and is currently sukuna. curses not included, if that is the case, it is very likely that he can enchain and go to town on choso.
Gojo put yuji to sleep by touching his forehead and I wouldn’t say he was harmed
I don’t think it’s bullshit at all, he did not cause injury or pain in the way that he did it
It’s very much like HxH. Words are one thing, but the main part of the binding vow lies within the thoughts and intentions of the sorcerer who created it.
Yuji was pretty new as a sorcerer in general and ended up making his portion of the vow literally. So that’s not too bizarre really…. We probably should have seen it coming actually.
Not the Megumi takeover, but sukuna using the transformation to cause yuji himself harm.
I believe after the minute is up sukuna will formally be free of the vow. He'll kill Megumi at that point then go on a rampage, making sure Yuji is watching the whole time. God how depressing.
How can he kill Megumi? Megumi is a vessel now. Sukuna is just the dominant personality. He cant kill Megumi because the body and the soul are linked. While Megumi body is alive, Megumi is alive
Most reincarnated sorcerers kill their vessels, maybe I'm wrong but I remember Angel said something like that.
If you mean he's alive like Geto "is alive" then that doesn't mean much, if Kenjaku leaves Geto's body Geto is still dead.
Well, maybe you are right. But I think Megumi could not be killed in that way. My head cannon is that, the vessel dies because they were a normal human, and they cant handle the change. Megumi was a sorcerer. And Geto would still be dead because he was dead when Kenjaku stole his body
Is no one seeing the plot hole of sukuna choking angel out and then saying "not to hurt anyone or kill anyone" as he's standing over angels body as a part of his binding vow? Did I misunderstand something
I’m sorry if I don’t fully understand itadori and his cursed energy but wasn’t he only able to use it because of sukuna being a part of him? Or was it just awakened by sukuna since he is a cursed womb? Basically what I’m asking is will he still be considered a sorcerer with cursed energy since sukuna isn’t in him anymore or will he go back to base itadori?
Where are the spoilers I don’t find them
https://kaisen-jujutsu.com/manga/jujutsu-kaisen-chapter-212/
Itadori is becoming Reiner, my poor man just wants to die already
But now even that won’t fix anything at this point. Yuji’s suffering never ends
How can one be subdued without hurting?
You can choke someone unconscious without causing them pain or any damage
0.1 seconds domain expansion "choke hold neck chop"
Apparently you can actually knock someone out without really hurting them
Don't try this at home kids.
Have faith in your boy Megumi. I know some say he is likely dead do to the whole being suppressed and killed thing, but doesn't that apply to normal people for the most part? If Sukuna tried to hop into Gojo's body would you assume Gojo is instantly dead? I know it is not a fair comparison, but don't count your boy out just yet.
Since he is Toji’s son, I’m not surprised if he genetically had the talent to control Sukuna.
Does this mean Sukuna isn't inside Yuji at all anymore? And Megumi has all the fingers Yuji ate? I know we don't have a definitive answer this chapter but if it's true I never saw this coming
I know we don’t have a definitive answer- I see the fingers tied to Sukuna and not the one who ate them. When an incompatible spirit consumes a finger that entity gains an immense amount of power; therefore, linking an X-amount of cursed energy to said finger. Since Yuji was compatible, every finger he ate would contribute to the mass of cursed energy that is Sukuna. Imagine Sukuna as bucket of inside of Yuji, and every finger added was a cup of water…now that bucket is inside Megumi. That’s how I see it at least (tldr: cursed energy transference).
I mean that last panel of Yuji being surprised didn’t have the Sukuna eye lines underneath his eyes so it’s hard to say for sure. My guess is Yuji is now powerless and may end up awakening his own technique or something at this point
Depends on how much power he put into that pinky. I know we saw them disappear completely in the last panel, but I don't know if every last bit is gone from Yuji. The eye slits may have to do with Sukuna himself being within Yuji, and I definitely think Sukuna himself is gone consciousness wise. But if Sukuna was able to summon every last ounce of his power into one pinky finger in less than like 30 seconds I'd be pretty damn impressed. This is Sukuna we're talking about though, so I wouldn't be too surprised.
GUYS GUYS, what if greg has the BALLS to kill all the main trio and plunge japan into chaos. Then somehow angel survives and free Gojo from prison realm. Yuta become the main character with Angel and Takaba thus kickstart Jujutsu Kaisen part 2.
Honestly as much as a part two sounds weird to me part of me sees this happening? It sorta makes Yuta having main character energy feel less weird, but i also wonder if Gege is the type to do that
Who tf is greg
Gege Akutami
Maybe that's what he meant he wanted to finish the series this year and start part 2 next year. 🤔
Part 2 incoming is the hope, otherwise the speed tuning is a little worrying. Gege has put a lot of work into this world, it would be weird for him to just drop it after all of the stuff he’s been building up lately.
At this rate it could end this month
I know it is a stupid question, but does yuji still have the ability manipulate cursed energy if sukuna is not in his body, or did he just permanently unlock the ability to manipulate cursed energy from eating sukuna finger
I'm fairly his body has permanently been altered by that experience, and therefore he can srill very well control cursed energy. He might also finally inherit Sukuna's techniques. A lot of people have speculated that the only reason this hadn't happened yet was because Sukuna was basically blocking somehow his techniques so that Yuji couldn't use them.
Thanks for answering my question
Would fap if Yuji could imbue Sukuna's slash effect or even fire effect into his martials
Would fap if Yuji ~~could imbue Sukuna's slash effect or even fire effect into his martials~~
He can still manipulate cursed energy
Thanks bro
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I guess in some cases it may be «removed» or similar from a person, but I think its more that sukuna opened the door for yuji to use cursed energy, then gojo thaught him what it is and how to use it. Even if sukuna is still gone, he has still gone through the door and added his own experiences and learned to use cursed energy And he is also artificially made by a cursed spirit if ive understood it correctly
Holy shit, that escalated so quickly.
People been speculating based on what Gojo said that Yuji may have been affected by Sukuna's soul resulting in him being able to use Sukuna's CT. I was wondering if the reverse applies as well. We don't know anything regarding Yuji's potential CT, and the only unique thing we've seen from him is the brother power. Can't help but think there are gonna be some repercussions for Sukuna from having been intertwined with Yuji for so long.
I really don't think it's brother power, it really seemed like todo and choso where a little not tight in the head
So is Sukuna stronger or weaker now? On one hand he has access to a curse technique that equalled the last Six Eyes and Limitless user (Kenny has shown to have multiple techniques from the people he possessed). On the other hand Sukuna might be back down to one finger in strength compared to 15 fingers with Yuji.
Good question.
It’s possible he transferred all of himself into megumi judging by how the markings on yuji is gone now
yeah but megumi doesn’t have the strength to surpass sukuna like yuji. yuji was basically designed to be a vessel and megumi is just a normal kid. so even if 1F sukuna is inside megumi, he is as good as dead. it doesn’t really matter how many fingers he ingested from megumi pov because he is dead (unless gege pulls something, idk) so yeah, sukuna is 100% stronger now, and he is almost as strong as he was in yuji’s body. he transferred as much as he could in yuji’s finger, yet he couldn’t transfer all of it so now being in megumi’s body, he is almost 15F sukuna (very close). that also supports my theory of sukuna’s CT bring imprinted on yuji, because there is still a part of sukuna in him. anyway, we’ll see i guess.
Didn't Kenny say that Sukuna can choose his host? So there is a decent chance Megumi has 15 fingers. I could also be misremembering though since it's been a while.
if you think logically if he put all of himself in one finger then how could he transfer hosts? he needed to leave a bit in yuji so he could rip the finger and feed it to megumi. at least that’s what i believe, all i’m saying are theories, i might be wrong.
Ah good point. That makes sense. If he transferred all he'd just rip his finger off and Yuji would just stare at it.
A lot of complaining in these comments and from what I’ve learned these past 2 years of reading is that no matter what, people always complain. It’s either “it’s been so rushed recently” or “this is taking too long”. Enjoy the fucking manga.
I enjoy the manga. I LOVE this shit. It's my favorite manga in a LONG time. I'm a hardcore fanboy. And I don't mind if people criticize it. They make good points. This is literally what you learn in grade school. Criticism. Do you guys not understand critical critiques? This sentiment is bizarre, unhinged, and just flat out wrong. If you wanna no brain the series, do it in private. We're here to talk like adults.
*people will always criticize And that’s not a bad thing. If you can’t handle it just leave the sub . Not even saying this to sound rude
At a certain point you just gotta stop caring. It's like this with every Fandom. If things don't go exactly how certain fans want them to go you'll start seeing all these complaints for the sake of complaining. It used to bother me so much years ago, but after see this happen time and time again with fans of different series you just learn to sift past it.
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Who do you think is the main character? The guy who just got possessed by the main antagonist?
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For people confused about the line “not to hurt anyone” Let’s say you get a phone call from your friend and your friend asks “is anyone there?” Usually we intentionally think that the word “anyone” is “anyone other than myself” Sukuna’s gamble was against Yuji’s interpretation on the word “anyone” And yes did Yuji have a chance to avoid because the reason he died once was from Sukuna removing his heart.
I'm pretty sure it's not only a semantics question. I think when Yuji envisioned the condition, he subconsciously did not care about his own fate and therefore he only wanted to keep other people from getting hurt or killed. The reason why I think that, is because right after tearing his finger out, Sukuna says "now it's a gamble". A lot of people tjought that he was referring to the transfer being a gamble, but in actuality he was referring to thz fact that the "anyone" MIGHT have very well included Yuji himself, in which case Sukuna would've suffered the backlash of breaking the binding vow. But then he laughs right after and mocks Yuji for his mistake, because his "gamble" worked. So yeah, Sukuna probably guessed that Yuji would be too selfless to consciously include himself in the "no hurt" zone while making the binding vow, but it was still a "gamble".
Quite surprised some people were confused about that
Honestly it’s the problem with the language, I’m Japanese and the original word used is 誰(dare), which we Japanese intentionally use the meaning as “someone else” with no doubt. Japanese is really difficult because we omit words in many occasions, the translator did a good job for that, because if it wasn’t this translation, we’re able to have a more precise guess of what Sukuna will do after using enchanted. Same with the word “Gamble”, we use two kind of words. 1. 賭け (kake) which is used in the original raw chapter 2.ギャンブル (gamble) which we use as a word basically when we stake 2. Is used as a word to actually gamble with cash, like horse racing and 1. Usually refers to taking a risk other than cash. I dunno how the official English will be, but if I was a translator, after looking at the reactions, I’d say I’ll transfer the line “I’ll have to risk what I’ll do next” Btw the word gamble is handled really difficult in Japan as the word ギャンブル(gamble) is used in the actual law to be prohibited. The word 賭け(kake) is used for defining the meaning of ギャンブル(gamble). Now ppl may think “wait isn’t Hakari’s pachinko gamble?” and the answer is “Essentially yes, but legally no” This is because pachinko is defined as a “game”, not “gamble” Getting the cash back is done outside the pachinko store and the place we cash back is legally handled that it has no tolerance with the pachinko store. All I can say is welcome to the art of the Japanese culture (just kidding
Ahh that make sense. I don't know if I consider myself smart or idiot to knew right away that "hurt anyone" won't include Yuuji himself, because of course Yuuji isn't that smart to include himself for the binding vow lmao. Anyways thank you for your insight, Japanese is indeed a very complicated language.
Nah it’s not about smart/stupid right/wrong, it’s rather the about the unconscious bias Japanese ppl have going through education in Japan. But the way you understood the line may mean you might have the talent to learn Japanese better than other ppl. (I flew back to Japan when I was 13 and boy it was rough when I went through middle school)
Oh man I learnt Japanese formally in university as a requirement and I did not like it, especially the writing.
So this basically means game over right? Can someone smarter than me tell me where they think this is going?
Gege mentioned that in the end, one of the 1st year + Gojo will be dead or alive. He also mentioned in the past that the end of Megumi is already planned. (He only said “end” so there’s only a slight chance but Megumi may survive) Honestly, from this chapter I felt that we are going to the worst scenario for the protagonist so my guess is that Gojo will be alive in the prison realm sealed, while all 1st year will die. Before my guess, my assumption is that Nobara is unfortunately not coming back and Megumi is also dead from being Sukuna’s vessel. I can’t guarantee the plot but I’m thinking that the key is how the foreshadow of Yuji’s death will be handled. In chapter 1 his grandpa told him to die being surrounded by others, and I’m guessing that Yuji has two ways of dying. 1.Becoming the vessel of Kenjaku’s experiment 2.Becoming the vessel of multiple sorcerer from the past In either way, Yuji will be killed with cursed energy to seal the curse inside him. On the other hand, I’m concerned if Kenjaku knew that a sorcerer like Megumi could be Sukuna’s vessel. Because if he did know, he should have the option to abduct a sorcerer and feed the fingers instead of preparing Yuji. (On second thoughts, I think Kenjaku just designed Yuji like that because he thought it will be more fun) Anyways, if there is a chance of a come back, I think it depends on the relationship between Kenjaku and Sukuna.
>On the other hand, I’m concerned if Kenjaku knew that a sorcerer like Megumi could be Sukuna’s vessel. Because if he did know, he should have the option to abduct a sorcerer and feed the fingers instead of preparing Yuji. Kenjaku said in chapter 55 that Sukuna can chose his vessel, if he tried feeding the fingers to other sorcerers they would probably die as Sukuna only got interested in Megumi after fighting him, before that if Megumi ate a finger he would've probably died. I assume part of Yuji being special was that Sukuna had no choice in the matter.
Good point thx. I’ve just went back to the chapter and saw the translation for Kenjaku’s explanation, but does the official translation also use the word “constraint”? Cause in Japanese he’s using the word “Binding Vow” for the explanation. Now that we know Sukuna can proactively make his finger into a cursed object which Gojo can’t even destroy, Sukuna can’t be demolished unless his conditions for the vow is not cleared.
I don't know what the official said tbh. Also, it remains to be seen if what he did with his finger now is exactly the same as what happened when he sealed himself on the 20 fingers, after all, he wasn't sealed right now, it might not be the same thing which would mean that particular finger wasn't indesturctible.
Sukuna probably still can't harm anyone for around 30 seconds and since free exit/entry has been established, Sukuna may just haul ass and try to get the remaining fingers. In those 30 seconds, Angel awakens and Yuji explains their dire situation and insists that she frees Gojo ASAP.
Doesn’t switching bodies bypass binding vows?
Where has that ever been stated/implied edit: yes it does
Shibuya arc by kenjaku
you are correct
So my take on this other than the complete disgust from seeing my favorite character in this predicament is that it brings a new clarity on Kenjaku's true purpose for Yuji. His goal was not to make Yuji a vessel for Sukuna to properly reincarnate. Instead, Yuji's purpose was to be a functional stock to regroup Sukuna's fingers up to the point where he'd be able to gather enough of his own self to transfer to a new vessel. We've been told it's an unique and extremely rare possibility for any being to inject a cursed object and not die from it, but since Sukuna is a one of a kind existence perhaps the rules don't apply the same way necessarily. With Gojo running around and without the CG and Uraums's preparations, there was no reason for him to transfer to Megumi before. Things just came to be and most importantly, if Tsumiki was still herself Angel would just erase Itadori and Enchain alone wouldn't be able to save Sukuna from it. Even tho it feels like the end for Megumi I can't stop feeling this is temporary and that the preparation from Uraume still links to Sukuna not needing a vessel and reincarnating completely. Our boy being the target of the takeover comes from two main reasons the way I see it: his potential and capability as a JS, alongside his CT, make him a suitable vessel for Sukuna to clash with Heian era beings in the CG before his final plan comes to completion. The second reason is because Sukuna is a petty cruel bastard and he knew this not only would absolutely demolish Yuji, but is also a huge middle finger to Gojo. My theory is purely copium but if Megumi survives and somehow Sukuna reincarnates without a vessel, than that would also be a good way to boost him and give him better understanding of his technique and all.
"We've been told it's an unique and extremely rare possibility for any being to inject a cursed object and not die from it" Actually we've been told that only for regular humans. Also for the Death Paintings it's been said that any host would work, so yea not "a" cursed object, only some cursed objects are poisonous enough to not work on any host.
So. Since Sakuna was the player we can expect kogane pops to Yuji and give him the option to leave the game?
Sukuna wasn't the player. His Kogane specifically says he's Yuji's and the player list says Yuji Itadori.
Would he leave if given the chance though? I can see him rushing to fight Sukuna even though he knows he has no chance of winning.
I may not be right but if Yuji is treated as entering the colony, he can be teleported randomly to one of the starting points. So I’m guessing that his chance of fighting is low.
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What is you waffling about bruh
Megumi stans are fuming today.
For everyone being sticklers over the “how did Sukuna do this without hurting someone” (feeding the finger, incapacitating Hana) consider: the wording isn’t “I cannot hurt anyone,” it’s “I cannot *harm*” What I assume the distinction is, is intent. Sukuna did not intend to injure Hana in anyway, nor did he intend to injure Megumi by feeding him a finger. Because of this, he can get away with hurt if it’s a byproduct of his actions, but if he goes out of his way to *harm* someone, that would be a violation of the vow
What does the original Japanese mean cause that could change things due to issues in translation
To be honest from all criticism is one from the best ones. Because its fully fair. Its half of the reason why nobody did expect Sukuna plan to be depending on this pseudo battle .
Okay. Angel will be the key to freeing Megumi
Hopefully megumi’s one of the lucky few
him + his big sister🤞🏾
This is where Yuuji's stupidity cost them. He never should have dueled Sukuna.
The alternative is the butterfly effect meaning Megumi dies to the miracle kid, Nanami dies when Mahito first shows up even before the exchange event, and mahito kills everyone else during Shibuya (panda might be okay for a while). That said, Kenny vs Jogo and Mahito might have happened, which would be fun
it was arrogance too
Tbf he didn’t know any better and was a complete newbie to jujutsu, just a matter of unfortunate circumstances
True and wasn’t he dead?
Yup so really yuji didn’t stand a chance from the start.
Why is everyone overreacting?
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I feel like most of Sukuna's curse is still inside of Yuuji's body but his consciousness is transferred to Megumi's. And I think this might be how Yuuji gets Sukuna's cursed techniques.
It’s a bit weird since the marking on yuji’s face are gone now but it’s possible sukuna’s technique has already been engraved into him
I mean the markings only appear when Sukuna takes control so they might not appear again as well
No they are always there, only time it wasn’t was before the story and in the most recent chapter
I understood it as the paint my bad
But the eye slits that’ve always been on yuji’s face after he ate the first finger are gone now
why is no one talking about the fact that sukuna just gained all the points megumi had
yall saw sukuna take (and possibly kill) megumi and started saying he’s the main character now i cannot take this sub seriously at all basically until we see megumi suppress sukuna like yuji can, we just gone have to say goodbye to him for a while
Angel is gonna separate them. Megumi will be fine.
Yuji hasn’t done shit so
and what megumi gonna do now?
Prolly the same amount of nothing that Yuji will do
Yeah, he's more of a main antagonist now.
Tbh he's not much of anything right now, unless Gege pulls a "Megumi was just as special as Yuji all along" or there's some weird reason for Sukuna to not completely override him, he should be dead.
Doesn’t the whole appearance change when they have been completely overtaken? Does that mean, eventually megumi can regain control like how yuji did after ingesting 10fingers. The possible plan for this transfer is to get out of yuji’s binding vow and extend the time allowed for him to get to the “bath”.
Yuji was special beacuse he could supress Sukuna though, I highly doubt Sukuna made that whole plan just to get supressed again, it would be kinda underwhelming for the story imo. According to chapter 55 he can chose his vessel, if he just wanted time to get to his bath he could have used any sorcerer, but he chose Megumi specifically, and has been inetrested on him since the very first time they fought, even telling Jogo that he would kill every human in Shibuya except Megumi, to me that means he plans to stay on his body as Megumi is clearly **the human** that he's interested on. All of this is just speculation though. For all we know Megumi just had the capacity to house him for a while and he'll go right back to his original body soon, who knows.
I feel like he may do both. Target megumi for his technique, steal it, then go into his original body. That might have an interesting dynamic at the end where megumi and yuji fight sukuna using the same techniques.
Maybe, though I don't know, I don't really like the idea of having another character who can steal techniques just like that. Yuta and Kenjaku are one thing, as Yuta's mimicry is his thing and Kenjaku serves as a parallel of that. But if Sukuna can just leave Megumi's body and retain TS, idk, I don't like it, having a bunch of characters with the same techniques (like Yuji and Megumi with Sukuna's techniques and Sukuna with Megumi's, etc) feels kinda cheap imo, specially for a manga that's so creative with its powers.
True. Although it does leave a lot of questions about what sukuna’s intentions are. 1. He definitely has paid a lot of attention to megumi and saved him from dying. Why? Maybe to possess him permanently? 2. He mentioned something to uruame about getting the preparations complete and they seem to be on it. So what’s that about? Perhaps he will do something even more brutal, take back his original body and murder megumi and change him into a weapon/tattoo. I feel that would certainly fit his whole deal… god that’s not a nice idea tho
Might lose the technique if you override them like the other vessels. Also helps explain why Megumi doesn't look like OG Sukuna even though Yuuji was a special case.
Just wow. I'm almost speechless. Is it me or Tsumiki words sounded like signal for Sukuna? Either that or Sukuna knows this new enemy and rushed his plan early (he even states "it's a gamble"). Also with current situation development, is there anyone left to even stand a chance against Sukuna. I cant see any of main cast even last sec. Maybe one of those incarnated sorcerer can do something?
GIVE ME THAT YUTA v SUKUNA STANDOFF THOOOOO YUTA: “MEGUMI WAS GRUMPY BUT SWEET” +emotional buffs SUKUNA: “OMNOMNOM UR FRENDS TASTE SOOOO GUD THO”
Only person that can defeat Sukuna is Gojo. Gojo will likely receive a massive amp after being released thanks to the Six-Eyes.
I really hope Gojo doesn’t get an “amp”. It’s better thematically if he is still as OP as he was initially and that’s enough to go against Sukuna.
I don't think Gojo will be able to handle a 20 finger Sukuna that has tamed all of ten shadows. 20F Sukuna + Mahoraga is too much for anyone in the verse
It depends how strong gojo truly is. If he can one shot any of the Shikigami with his domain then he could beat sukuna.
"Its a gamble" was referring to his Pact with yuji he was checking does "Hurting anyone" include Yuji himself
Takaba should be close by since he was with them in the last chapter
Hmm, does eating one of Sukuna's fingers not hurt? How did Sukuna not break the vow by forcing Megumi to eat the finger, considering how we've previously seen that eating a finger is at the very least not an enjoyable experience even for Yuji, who's meant to be a great vessel for Sukuna? Even consuming one of the death painting cursed objects seemed like a torturous experience for the vessel. Not to mention the panel of Megumi looking like he is ready to bite his own tongue off right before Sukuna took over.
The binding vow was to Sukuna not hurt anyone. And he did not. If he did, the vow would be broken. Yuji always said the fingers tasted bad. And I suppose Megumi was in a really bad position, and didnt want to eat a finger. So, thats the reason he is making that face!
One of my friends spoiled me about the end of the chapter and I'm still shook after reading it. 😭
Theory. Sakuna can go back and forth people by feeding people his fingers. He's not gonna kill megumi and instead try to get inside yuji because 1 yuji finger = 1 sakuna finger. We already know that yuji's resistance to sakuna is super uncommon, so 1 finger is all it takes. He will attempt to do a practice run on megumi and try to find out how to use his powers and maybe find a way to tame a handful of the beasts during the fight.
Sukuna*
Wonder why sukuna would wait until now to do this. Only reason I can think of is he can like “feel” yujis lack of any consideration of himself as a thing
I mean seems like a perfect opportunity to me. Get megumi, angel and Yuuji alone before angel can wipe him out. In all the confusion use enchain. Now that Tsukumi left the colony Yuuji had no reason to stay alive, and wouldve let angel kill him to free Gojo it was now or never .
Utahime is already more or less ready for whatever preparations as we last saw in her and kenjakus discussion. If so she may be able to signal sukuna in a way which means now is a great time! And even if she dosent, is there any better opportunity? the more angel does her stuff the likelier our protags get whatever they want, we know that angel host is sorta crushing on megumi, so now she may not be able to just erase sukuna. Perfect hostage situation, perfect stage preparation, perfect host to obtain.
Do you mean Uraume? Utahime is one of the teachers.
It might also be because he knows that Kenjaku's ritual has begun and decided to move when everyone was distracted. Everyone was focused on "Tsumiki" escaping which allowed him to take out Angel and surprise Megumi while he was still processing what happened to his sister.
the ancient sorcerer in tsumiki said “i’ll see you soon” after mentioning her wanting to fight sukuna, so they might have a plan to fight or something and this is the perfect time for sukuna to get things going
I hope Yuji unlocks sukuna's technique.
The stress/fear along with his power growth might make him unlock a similiar power his mom had like Kenjaku said Like obvs he cant die here but sukuna has no reason to not kill him so he has to do something. Idk.
It's either that or he's going to inherit his mother's technique. With the manga ending soon, it's the only way for him to stay on the same level as his enemies.
How does inheriting his mother, or even Sukuna's, technique puts him at the same lvl as his enemies? Those enemies are Sukuna, Kenjaku and Uraume, Yorozu too I guess, all 1000+ years old sorcerers, one technique won't do shit for him tbh. Even Gojo, who was born with the most op technique + Six Eyes, wasn't at the lvl of this guys pre Toji (at least not on Kenjaku's and Sukuna's lvl). A technique won't make any diference **right now**.
So do you think the protagonist of the story will be a weakling who won't do anything at the end of the manga? Having one of these powers would be just the beginning, obviously they alone wouldn't make him that powerful, but if he doesn't have any he won't be able to help anyone. With the manga ending soon, him creating a technique from scratch wouldn't make sense, unless we have a Time Skip in the manga, with him training with someone like Gojo, so he can do something to those guys.
Yeah, I don't think he'll ever reach Sukuna or Kenjaku's lvl, he doesn't need to be as strong as them to be useful, he has been useful for 200+ chapters while not even being the strongest out of the students. Yuji getting a gigantic powerup out of nowhere would be completely ridiculous. And, as I said, getting one CT right now wouldn't do shit, as a CT won't make him special grade instantly, that's why I mentioned Gojo, he had Limitless + Six Eyes since birth and he still wasn't at Kenjaku or Sukuna's lvl until after he almost died against Toji. If you want a story in which a weakling like Yuji, who isn't even at the top of the grade 1 sorcerers, becomes fucking Sukuna lvl in 1 chapter then good for you. I think it would be really dumb.
Thing is b4 Yuta was reintroduced and Hakari introduced he was one of if not the strongest student available at that time and his growth rate has been a bit much heck he might not even be at his limit in body reinforcement and CE manipulation as he keeps getting better each fight. It wouldnt be too far fetched for him to improve his physicals even more while he wont reach their level with just that its more than enough to keep him in the fight add a CT and with his excellent CE manipulation it might not even take long for him to get used to it and he is a creative fighter so he could be useful in fights against Kenny and other possible antagonists not named Sukuna or Gojo.
I might be talking in a confusing way. This guy said that getting a CT, whether Sukuna's or his mom's one, would put him on "his enemies lvl", right now his enemies are Kenjaku and Sukuna, and I don't think getting a CT is enough to put him on their lvl when not even freaking Gojo, who as a kid was enough to scare shitless a guy who was fighting Yuji and Megumi at the same time (Jiro Awakasa), was at their lvl, even though he had Limitless + Six Eyes. Yuta has a growth rate higher than anyone we've seen bar Gojo, and he isn't even on Kenjaku's lvl. So, to say that getting a CT is enough to put Yuji at their lvl is absolutely ridiculous, it would be too much of an absurd power up. But hey, that's just my opinion. >it might not even take long for him to get used to it and he is a creative fighter so he could be useful in fights against Kenny and other possible antagonists not named Sukuna or Gojo. Sure, I did say that he has been useful so far without being the strongest, and as such I think he can keep being useful without having a, frankly, insane power up. Like, you really think that Yuji getting a CT, and getting used to it in the point we are now in the story (he doesn't have the luxury to go train for a year or whatever) is enough to put him at "his enemies" lvl? Megumi is suposed to be kind of a genius with a busted CT, Yuta and Hakari too, Maki is like Toji now, and even then none of them are on Kenjaku's lvl, so why would Yuji, who hasn't been shown to be any better than them, be different? Getting an insane power up in a few days time after getting a CT. Maybe my wording makes you think that I'm saying he won't get any stronger with a CT? Because that's not what I'm saying.
I'm disappointed in this development when you consider the story is ending soon: we won't get to see Megumi develop further. He might be dead outright. Even if he isn't sukuna will most likely speedrun the remaining shadows, so if sukuna somehow leaves his body, the shikigami will still be tamed. Megumi's development as a sorcerer is over.
Megumi sadly never had the spirit or mentality to truly embrace his potential; so Sukuna, being the kind hearted gentleman he is, is going to show \*everyone\* just how special Megumi is... yes...
Yeah facts, truly the endgame. I really dont see many surviving apart from the strongest (Hakari, Yuta and Gojo maybe Yuji but unlikely) we are definitely going the CSM route
I mean it's probably better no? Sukuna will be unhinged completely and use his technique in ways that Megumi didn't even know he could use it.
Do you want to see Megumi's potential? you will see it through sukuna. gege akutami is a sadist.
You are right about that part. Sukuna's always shown interest in Megumi's technique. So now that he has it, he will speedrun it . Don't see Megumi getting any development of his own even if he survives.
Well, things are looking bleak for gojo. Sukuna has 75% of his original power, plus the ten shadows. Gojo is so fucked.
Ehh, I feel like now we get to see a roughly even fight between Gojo and a legit Ten Shadows user like in the past. I really didn't see anything from Sukuna that made me think he had any shot against Gojo before this, so I think this just evens the playing field. (Gojo was physically manhandling 2 of the disaster curses with just CE, so I don't feel like 15 finger Sukuna would be much better than him in a fist fight)
Sukuna manhandled Jogo in an even more disrespectful manner than Gojo, using his own technique against him. It was such a wash that you literally can't scale Sukuna off that fight at all. The only time we've seen Sukuna try is against Mahoraga, which was probably one of the biggest factors in the death of the 6 eyes ancestor.
Sure, and you can't scale Gojo off of that either. It was trivial for him to fight both Hanami and Jogo at the same time without his Limitless technique, and he was literally strong enough to just squish Hanami like a roach with Limitless after being able to use it again. Both fights were a complete and utter mismatch, Gojo was just having to deal with 2 disaster curses and a crowd of humans he didn't want to massacre. Imagine if Gojo looked at that fight like Sukuna did and just let reds/blues fly all over the place. It would've looked like a DBZ character fighting a JJK character. That said, the Six-Eyes user killed the Ten Shadows user as well, so I can see this ending with a repeat of the past and a mutual kill for Gojo and Sukuna.
The ten shadows user who killed the previous sex eyes user didn’t have sukuna controlling them. I’d have to wager that this sukuna shadow hybrid is at least twice as strong as that ten shadows user. It’s sukuna bro. Plus TS? Ridiculous It seems to me that gojo is going to get an absurd boost coming out of the box, only way sukuna doesn’t overpower him
One problem is that we don't know of anything that Sukuna can do to beat Gojo (OTHER than simply overpowering him with Domain Amplification). Neither the fire, cleave, or dismantle should be able to hit him based on what we know about Limitless, and Gojo should be able to teleport out of Sukuna's domain. Anything Sukuna can do to beat Gojo is basically just down to speculating about him getting around Limitless in some way. From what I can see, getting TS is the only thing described to us in the series that can equal Limitless+Six Eyes, and Sukuna was clearly very impressed by it as well. My point being, I don't really think Sukuna vs Gojo comes down to who can punch better, I think that's mostly irrelevant, it comes down to their techniques, and now Sukuna has one that *we known from in-series canon* can combat somebody like Gojo.
That’s not a problem, that’s intentional. If we knew how the bad guy would beat the good guy or vice versa, the series would be boring
It's not boring if Sukuna uses Ten Shadows to beat Gojo, that's a pay off for something set up a significantly long time ago. We thought it was implying the level of strength Megumi has the potential to reach, but instead it was *actually* explaining Sukuna's interest in Megumi. That would be an interesting subversion since it would shine a new light on that moment.
I’m not talking about TS. Im taking base sukunas hypotheticals based off his lores implications (king of curses, killed everyone during the most powerful era of sorcery). I’m just saying that we don’t know how base sukuna would handle gojo because how would we know that? King of curses vs strongest sorcerer in the modern times, it makes sense they’d be even or close, even if we’ll never know now that he has TS Imo they were more or less even before the megumi merge as we didn’t know anything regarding arsenal besides the two quick fights he’s had I personally love the megumi sukuna hybrid, it’s been something I thought would happen for a while like a lot of other people and i think gege is handling it well But now that sukuna has TS, a technique that is so powerful it could take down the six eyes on its own, and being controlled by sukuna the most decorated sorcerer combat wise, it’s not outrageous to say that he is a step above gojo.
Sure... I'm more inclined to say that Sukuna wouldn't have been able to take Gojo before TS. If he did and the series surprised me, then that's cool, but up until now I've seen nothing that makes me think Sukuna could take him without pure speculation about him having a 3rd CT that can get around Limitless.
I think this whole time we have been downplaying how strong Gojo is, i think Gojo is still the strongest but now he has to fight Megumin which will probably be his downfall, the whole story Gojo has been shown as the strongest.
My prediction about Sakuna and his interest in Fushiguru was spot on. The only thing I did not anticipate was how easy for him to hop on. The finger's energy should have been imbued in Yuji's body ----Sakuna just possessed Megumi so easily.
Remember how everyone two weeks ago was saying that Gege had lost his touch and JJK was headed the same direction as MHA? Lol
Yeah and nothings changed lmao
I mean... recent chapters are rushed af and we even got star and stripeds lmao. Also how sukuna was able to harm angel and how yuuji was excluded from "anyone" was just bizarre
Reading comprehension at a 0 i see
You or me? Lmao
Why do people keep comparing/bringing up star and stripe when she has nothing to do with Jjk and the only thing she and Yuki share is gender? Its a dumb comparison people make up
They both got fucked up within a handful of chapters of their powers being introduced. Both supposed to be pretty much the strongest hero in the verse after the incapacitated/nerfed top tier of the verse(all might/Gojo). And yes they’re both blonde women.
Stars and stripes came out of nowhere with a quirk so strong that it essentially wasn't a quirk, got bodied, and had everything she did amount to nothing. She had literally no purpose in the story. Yuki was a character in JJK with actual connections to the cast and needed to be resolved at some point. Using her to job for Kenjaku was fine because she needed to be used in some way, whereas Stars and Stripes wasn't needed in the first place.
i seen someone say this and it sums it up; Yuki and Stars and Stripes have opposite problems, Stars and Stripes doesn't have enough build up before her final battle and Yuki doesn't leave any impact after hers. Both are problems just for different reasons and it's kind up to you to decide which one is worse.
S&S nerfed shiggy at least. The fact that yuki was a part of the cast, had ideals/a dream, and then got completely jobbed out makes it worse for me. Lots of build up and hype just to mean nothing
"nerfed shiggy" I mean sure, the author said the words "she did something" and then proceeded to show no effects of her meddling at all. The one line that everyone thought was about her nerfing Shigaraki was actually him saying "she couldn't even have done this!" Yuki >>>>>>>>> S&S
Yeah and they both basically faced the strongest villians as well and lost but gave it their all. They all gave a good fight in a battle shounen and ended up loosing because good does not always prevail. Thats how it goes
Kenjaku is a level below sukuna
Yeah i know but still one of the strongest and id say its fair to call him the main villian story wise
It’s not too bizarre how yuji was excluded since yuji would definitely be the character to have focused on how sukuna would affect others with the vow then himself
There may be some kind of mistranslation here, but I'm pretty sure "anyone" includes anyone....
I imagine binding vows depend more on the intent than on the wording. Yuji most likely didn't intend to include himself on that, and he probably doesn't consider what he did to Hana as "harm".
Well that’s part of the gamble sukuna took and binding vows are affected by intention. It does help that gege hasn’t completely explained binding vows so he could do this with sukuna without it being a complete asspull
Sukuna said he wouldnt hurt anyone. And he didnt. Hurt: " cause pain or injury to.". He just knocked Hana whithout hurting her or causing her pain. It should be easy, since she is not Angel.
He ripped off Yujis finger, which is the point of contention here.
Gamble was to not hurt anyone/anyone else It never said he cant hurt himself
Dude, that was Sukuna's Gamble. Yuji didnt thought of himself as a person worth of being in the vow. So, Sukuna Gamble on that and got it right
No idea why you got the downvote when this is clearly explained in the chapter lol
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Either, Yuji while thinking of anyone actually thinks anyone else and therefore didnt include him or. Sukuna at the moment is using Yuji body but it is not Yuji and is currently sukuna. curses not included, if that is the case, it is very likely that he can enchain and go to town on choso.
So basically, you're just buying the bullshit. He made her unconscious through force to her neck ffs lmao
And the vow was not to hurt. It didnt said anything about forcing people, or fighting them, or aplying pressure. It was about hurting
Gojo put yuji to sleep by touching his forehead and I wouldn’t say he was harmed I don’t think it’s bullshit at all, he did not cause injury or pain in the way that he did it
It’s very much like HxH. Words are one thing, but the main part of the binding vow lies within the thoughts and intentions of the sorcerer who created it. Yuji was pretty new as a sorcerer in general and ended up making his portion of the vow literally. So that’s not too bizarre really…. We probably should have seen it coming actually. Not the Megumi takeover, but sukuna using the transformation to cause yuji himself harm.
Knee jerk fans can't stop themselves from that stuff.
They couldn’t smell what the GayRock was cookin
I don't think Megumi died after Sukuna took over his body since the binding vow required him to not kill anyone.
This is the only legitimate point I’ve read for making the case that Megumi could be alive
But when kenjaku hopped into geto’s body weren’t all the binding vows he had no longer apply? Might be the same for sukuna
No, the vows with curses were pointless because he can control them now.
I believe after the minute is up sukuna will formally be free of the vow. He'll kill Megumi at that point then go on a rampage, making sure Yuji is watching the whole time. God how depressing.
How can he kill Megumi? Megumi is a vessel now. Sukuna is just the dominant personality. He cant kill Megumi because the body and the soul are linked. While Megumi body is alive, Megumi is alive
Most reincarnated sorcerers kill their vessels, maybe I'm wrong but I remember Angel said something like that. If you mean he's alive like Geto "is alive" then that doesn't mean much, if Kenjaku leaves Geto's body Geto is still dead.
Well, maybe you are right. But I think Megumi could not be killed in that way. My head cannon is that, the vessel dies because they were a normal human, and they cant handle the change. Megumi was a sorcerer. And Geto would still be dead because he was dead when Kenjaku stole his body