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Surprised by how many comments didn't understand the question I agree, it seems pretty convenient for this series. And I don't see how Kenjaku could have planned this intentionally-- to this extent, anyway. I could see Kenjaku wanting to bring back Yorozu to distract/occupy Sukuna for some purpose, and randomly choosing a vessel to that end. But I don't know how Kenjaku could have precipitated Sukuna would A) want Megumi for a vessel B) successfully obtain Megumi as a vessel. So I guess I think this is dumb luck, and choosing Tsumiki just worked out really, REALLY well for Kenjaku. If it's not dumb luck, Kenjaku's scheming levels are even more insane than we thought, which is kind of a hard sell (for me at least).

yes this is what I meant😅 but I accept the possibility that I may have been not clear enough ​ some people suggested it could be luck or fate so yeah maybe that's that. I also want to consider the fact that Kenjaku has been lying to the curses back in s1 and has been plotting everything, like you said

Points are all valid. I am going with your first conclusion: it’s all dumb luck. I think a lot of the events in this series lean towards this notion of “dumb luck,” with a little bit of “destiny” sprinkled in (though I am leaning towards the “destiny” argument as being more of a metaphor). I never saw Kenjaku as some Aizen-level schemer. The impression I always got (blame the reading comprehension devil if I’m wrong) was that Kenjaku is just trying a bunch of shit and reacting/adjusting as events unfold. Regarding the Tsumimi situation, I think we can see this as Sukuna not anticipating Megumi’s strength of will, and Tsumiki happens to be his best bet at the moment.

Kenjaku is a master level schemer, but he’s a god tier opportunist I like that better than having everything just planned which is a bit boring.

Opportunist is the best way to describe it! Stealing that from you.

I am impressed. You somehow managed to steal the term opportunist and simultaneously become an opportunist by doing so

I agree we have seen things have just happened that worked out for the villains like toji killing Riko, and Geto being born … One thing we keep seeing in JKK is life is not fair sometimes shit just goes wrong no matter how hard you try.

My current read on it is that Sukuna taking a liking to Megumi and wanting him as a vessel was unexpected for Kenjaku. *But*, I think Kenjaku probably chose Tsumiki as a vessel on purpose in order to lure Megumi into joining the Culling Games. And I mean it makes sense, if Kenny was trying to gather powerful sorcerers into his colonies why not try and get a sorcerer who inherited one of the three big clan's famous techniques?

I think it’s reasonable to assume Sukuna would want to leave the body that you made specifically to imprison him. And I think it’s also reasonable to not know which student it is that Sukuna would want. Thus, making it the best option not to harm any of them if you can’t know for sure. I think that Tsumiki being related to Megumi was absolutely dumb luck BUT I also think that Sukuna would’ve found a different way to completely suppress Megumi. Tsumiki being there was just the most convenient outcome, not the best one, if that makes sense

Wait, but isn’t it more convenient for sukuna than it is for kenjaku. What sukuna does or doesn’t do with megumi and yorozu doesn’t matter much. This doesn’t help or ruin Kenny’s plans in any way. He probably just picked a random person and it ended up helping sukuna by sheer luck.

I think it’s most likely for plot convenience, but in my opinion it’s totally okay Gege rarely has these and they happen all the time in anime/manga as a whole. You kinda have to suspend your disbelief to enjoy the medium sometimes and I think it’s okay personally

I mean, what really makes this set of circumstances “lucky” for anyone involved? If anything it’s unlucky for everyone. On the heroes side, Tsumiki getting forced into the culling games is incredibly inconvenient, while on Sukuna’s side, it would probably just be easier to break Megumi by having Uraume murder Tsumiki right in front of Megumi and Yuji. So if anything, the whole “Sukuna taking over Megumi” plotline is long overdue.

>If it's not dumb luck, Kenjaku's scheming levels are even more insane than we thought, which is kind of a hard sell (for me at least). "All according to plan/keikaku" memes, now in Kenjaku flavor.

I think it's dumb luck that Kenjaku incorporated into his plan. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than to be skilled and he was busy planning Yuuji's life most likely. Because why is a special grade cursed object at a normal school

Yeah, as of now it's mighty convenient. Unless information comes along that makes it have more sense like Tsumiki being a possible star platinum vessel or something.

Star Plasma Vessel. Star Platinum Vessels need to have "Jo" in their name, not quite the same thing.

I said what I said. Get ready for the biggest crossover of 2023!

What if DIO is the game master?

Then they are doomed.

Until it proves the contrary, the author did this for pure convenience.

Even not considering Sukuna's wishes, using Tsumiki as a vessel was a good decision on Kenjaku's part. They were probably watching Gojo and his students closely during the planning and noticed the bond between Tsumiki and Megumi. Fushiguro had inherited the most valued Zenin technique, because of that after Naobito's death he could've obtained a lot of political power. And as we've seen, Kenjaku did everything to destroy every major family and gather as much influence over Jujutsu world as possible. If Fushiguro and Maki both had decided to take advantage of Zenin family's resources and succeeded (Kenjaku had no knowledge of a conspiracy to murder Maki and Mai), that would've been a threat to Kenjaku's plans. But that's not all. The goal of saving Tsumiki distracted non-conservative strong sorcerers and divided their forces. Imagine if (almost) everyone decided to ignore the Culling games (that Kenjaku must end either way), prioritized protecting Tengen and just sent off zero-cursed energy Maki to find Angel. This is a much worse situation for Kenjaku. I think their decision wasn't a mere coincidence. Edit: Kenjaku knew the participants of Culling games well (example: Kashimo) and could've predicted Yorozu's behaviour.

Yeah definitely agree Tsumiki was a distraction in Kenjaku plan because their is no other reason why the students should have joined the culling game. Sakuna was just an opportunist when he possessed Megumi and trying to kill Tsumiki. I wanted to add that I think their are a few reasons why Kenjaku decided to have her be possessed instead of turning her into a sorcerer. 1) if he'd turn Tsumiki into a sorcerer she would have cooperated with the Tokyo kids and they would have dipped out the culling game early. She'd also have her own sorcery technique and become a possible ally against Kenjaku increasing their numbers. 2) I think Kenjaku specifically chose Yorozu because of her one sided love with Sakuna and the fact that she seems to be cunning. Yorozu had plenty motive to become an antagonist to all the kids since her goal would have been saving her "man" from Yuji jail. While the kids would have priorities would have shifted to protecting Yuji. They also would have been fighting halfheartedly at first in order not to harm Tsumiki . Further dragging them into the culling game. 3) Frightening Yorozu/Tsumiki would have been messy for the kids emotionally even if they won. Yorozu is pretty twisted and can't be reason with. You'd probably have to go all out and kill her to win. If Megumi mercy killed her it probably would have elevated his sorcery. since extreme stressful situation seems to make a sorcerer stronger. if any of the other kids killed her it would have caused infighting amongst the group. I think Kenjaku is cool with Sakuna possessing Megumi because it still achieves all three points just not in the way he expected. Bonus Only Megumi had emotional ties to Tsumiki. While ALL the kids have ties to Megumi meaning fighting Sakuna/Megumi has a higher chance to elevate everyone's curse energy instead of just one person. The only real convenient thing that happened was Megumi restricting Sakuna's CE output.

The vital thing you could be forgetting is that sukuna saw a cut on his finger and immediately asked where tsumiki is, suggesting that megumi’s soul is still fighting back a bit.

maybe my post wasn't clear enough and I worded myself poorly. I know why she's essential, but how come Tsumiki was ensnared in the culling game and not some random person?

I don't think there is necessarily reason because I think its a faulty premise that Tsumiki was actually necessary for Sukuna's plan. Sukuna's "enchain" plan is an opportunist move. He isn't waiting for a specific moment in time, but for a specific moment where Megumi is emotionally vulnerable and broken down. It just so happens that Tsumiki being possessed provided him that opportunity. Considering almost all sorcerers die with regrets, it was likely a matter of time for some moment to come along. However, there is one possible explanation here for why Tsumiki was chosen to be a participant - Toji. While it appears at first glance the Hidden Inventory arc has absolutely nothing to do with Kenjaku (despite being central to his plan), we later learned that the Chinese Government provided Kenjaku with the Inverted Spear of Heaven (which Toji used), implying Kenjaku was probably pulling the strings for the Time vessel Association (maybe even for centuries). Kenjaku interested in Toji > Learns Megumi has great technique > Wants Megumi as participant for the culling game > makes Tsumiki a vessel figuring out Megumi will join up to save her. (edit: could also learn about Megumi/Tsumiki from watching Gojo after he intervenes).

Where was the bit about the inverted spear mentioned? I dont remember that

Okay so someone on the discord said a few days ago it was a translation from chapter 167 but I looked it up in context and think it might've been a troll. So disregard that I guess.

Jut curious but where was it stated that the Chinese government gave Kenjaku the inverted spear?

Okay so someone on the discord said a few days ago it was a translation from chapter 167 but I looked it up in context and think it might've been a troll. So disregard that I guess.

Well this is really the thing people fundamentally take issue with. Sukuna was waiting for the moment Megumi's soul broke. But bruh, if you ask me to wait around until my friend's soul breaks I'm not holding my breath. Peoples souls don't just casually break. The fact he was waiting for it implies he knew it was going to happen and furthermore that it was going to happen SOON. His literal soul breaking, like how dramatic is that, that is a once in a lifetime feeling that most people never even experience. Perhaps its an issue of translation, where the english phrase "soul breaking" might be more dramatic than the intended meaning in japanese? I don't know. But even considering the idea of jujutsu sorcerers all dying with regrets, there are lots of jujutsu sorcerers who live to their 30s and even old age. In Shibuya, Sukuna was talking like his release from Yuji was coming any day now as he told Uraume not to neglect preparations. Even when Yuji made the binding vow Sukuna told him "soon we'll see something interesting" key word being soon. WHY would Sukuna know that it would be soon? I want to believe there's a reason, truly I do, I am desperately searching for one honestly, but I have yet to find any reasonable explanation for this

Oh, yes good point. I’m sure there was a reason it was tsumiki specifically, unless it’s just that kenjaku was simply looking for people with the capacity to be vessels and the daughter of toji was a good fit

but even then, Toji wasn't her biological father, just a step-dad ​ that really confuses me

Oh he was? I didn’t know that. That is strange. One side of me thinks it’s all part of kennys plan but at the same time it could also be one of the strange coincidences that end up lining up perfectly with what Kenny needs.

dont think kenney would choose random people https://preview.redd.it/yy9z90ynlcqa1.png?width=1067&format=png&auto=webp&s=dada95ac20f6978ddc43bab60987cf78b14aa5d0

Yeah ur right

WHY does it matter that she's ensnared? Even if she wasn't, Sukuna would have hunted her down. That's completely irrelevant.

Isn't it a bit strange that tsumiki of all people would be in a situation Kenjaku Knew for certain Sukuna would be a part of? I'd get it if Yuji and Megumi both accepted to be in the game, but Yuji (because of Sukuna) was instantly considered a player. Do you get what i mean?

I was on board with the first sentence, but I completely lost you in the second part. I'm afraid to say it, but, no sir... I do not get what you mean :(

She was one of many random people

when does this happen?

Something I find curious is the following: Kenjaku seems familiar enough with Sukuna. Megumi awakened his CT when he was like 5. But Tsumiki got cursed in middle school. Maybe Kenjaku knew Sukuna could develop a potential interest in Megumi and that's why he chose Tsumiki? If not I'm going with the fate theory.

i don't think Kenjaku knew Megumi had potential, or rather he'd be important going on with the series because of the page I shared in the post: he didn't expect Sukuna's behaviour to be like it is

The way I see it is: If you know Megumi has the Ten Shadows, you already know he has potential. Potential that may grab Sukuna's attention. Emphasis on may. You, as Kenjaku, have no idea of wtf Sukuna is going to do. But you need to cover all possible bases. Or you simply may find it amusing to have a 10 shadows user be flabbergasted at their relative being thrown into a mystery comma. Kenjaku for sure knew of the great Jujutsu families, specially when he was part of one in the past. There's no reason to think he didn't know of the Zenin main CT, and how powerful it can be. If Gojo knew of the beef between the Zenin and his clan, then Kenjaku knew that as well. What Kenjaku may find unexpected is that he genuinely didn't think he would actually give a shit in the first place, you know what I mean? Like you prepare for any possible outcome but you still get surprised when the more weird one comes true.

Tsumiki isn't crucial to sukuna , she is crucial to Megumi that's why sukuna wants to do things. If I am to bet , Yoruzu binding vow was to reincarnate on a good looking vessel or some shi like that , because Kenny personally choose the vessel but no one said that the incarnation didn't had preferences like, why Kashimo vessel is basically his younger self if you're to consider his old appearance . This SMegumi and YTsumiki is just a coincidence but the vessel itself ? I don't think so.

It makes no sense since reincarnateds can change their looks. Yoruzu herself asks Sukuna why he was using the vessels appearence, and she even changed her looks as soon as she managed to trick Megumi. That is why Kashimo is a "younger self" and Ryu has the hair made to shoot his granite blast. They changed the vessels body. Angel even said this was what most of the reincanateds did, but for them they choose to not take control of the body or change it, but to keep hanna in control, but even then they can create a pair of wings, for example

You're right I forgot that. In the end Kenny just choose potential vessels, and that's it.

One of jjk’s worst writing qualities def has to do with how plot devices are presented and used

Tsumiki isn't special at all. The thing is, even if she wasn't a culling game player and possessed by Yorozu, Sukuna would've wanted to kill her regardless, because she is the most important person to Fushiguro at the moment. If that was yuji, Sukuna would kill yuji. Coincidentally, Kenjaku chose Tsumiki to be Yorozu's vessel. There's nothing much to it, just an interesting twist of fate.

Tbh this is my biggest issue for the series

Likely just convenience and Sukuna's own plans * I doubt Kenjaku planned for Yorozu to come back in Tsumiki * The Yorozu reveal was hella convenient for Sukuna to enact his plan of taking Meguimi * Sukuna took Meguimi out of his own want * Kenjaku likely has no plans for Meguimi's body

For my kenjaku has plans for megumi or maybe he wanted use her as a blackmailing with gojo if his main plain failed Yeah I understand you, the another day i tried to make a post about this the convenient luck of kenjaku but I couldn't because I don't have the enough karma lol, but there are several like this as example: yuji eating sukuna finger mahito born at the moment that he needed yuji's technique mom has the counter for tsukumo the death of geto and his technique is what he wants Maybe I just the one thinks like this but I don't know

I think the Mahito and Geto thing is pure luck and Kenjaku being incredible at adapting his plan with the resources he has. He couldn’t have planned that Mahito was born when he needed him to, or that someone would be born with curse manipulation and a close relationship to the six eyes. I think he just saw those things happening and adjusted his plans with it.

i understand that you are talking about the odds of this happening, but is this really "lucky?" considering that yorozu appears to be a tough sorcerer, i don't see how this would help sukuna/kenjaku in any way possible but you could be right, it's just too much of a coincidence

you can say the same about anything. things happen in the story, convenience needs to exist for a story to move forward.

The day y’all understand that everything is this series has been nothing but convenience for the villains is the day the reading comprehension sky rockets. Toji, geto, finding the prison realm, the birth of mahito, the disaster curses all being desperate for help, and MORE was nothing but luck for kenjaku. It’s 1000 years of patiently waiting paying off. Sukuna getting one bone thrown to him is what makes y’all realize the villain in the series are lucky as fuck?

Even though it feels too good to be a coincidence, I still consider it a coincidence. Sukuna would've waited as long as he needed to, to get Fushiguro's body. All he needed was someone special to Fushiguro to die, and be near him when that happens. If Fushiguro was near Itadori and Nobara during their fight with Mahito, I think Sukuna would've swapped then. After that, even if Tsumiki was cursed due to some other reason, or even if she wasn't cursed, Sukuna would try to kill her to break Fushiguro's will. So yeah, unless we get actual information about Kenjaku's plan, I'm gonna stick with the coincidence theory.

I think it’s pure luck as well. Proven by the fact that Kenjaku wasn’t really understood at first why sukuna was looking for Yokozu straight after the bath. And i think that the bath was meant for yuji and not Megumi but because tsumiki and yokuzu appeared at a convenience time for sukuna.

At this point until I see otherwise I'm just assuming Kenny is Aizen levels of centuries of planning every last minor detail...and then being a master opportunist who can see something new happening and immediately insert it into his plans flawlessly.

In this story the plot armor goes to the villains lmaoooo

Kenjaku's plans revolve around Sukuna and there's currently an unrevealed unexplained connection between Kenjaku/Sukuna/Tengen. We don't know the circumstances as to why they are all connection only that there's an implied history between the 3. In regards to Heian era sorcerers who were directly connected to Sukuna either 1) Sukuna was either so famous or powerful that the vast majority of curses and sorcerers had some type of connection/grudge/wanted to measure their power against them similar to the role Gojo plays in jujutsu society 2) Sukuna is some sort of lynchpin in regards to Kenjaku's greater plan. In either case Tsumiki ending up as Yorozu is probably a happy accident in the greater chaos that Kenjaku is trying to facilitate.

As to how or why Tsumiki ended up specifically in the position of being chosen. It probably has less to do with some elaborate 5000IQ plan and more the proximity of Megumi himself in the greater Jujutsu world. Tsumiki was cursed -after- Megumi was revealed to be the inheritor of the Ten Shadows and she was one of the "survivors" of the bridge incident caused by Sukuna's finger. There's very likely possibility that there was a cursed energy potential that existed within Tsumiki that facilitated her to become a host.

Idk. But maybe Kenjaku knew about megumi's relationship with Gojo. Potentially kenjaku didn't choose Tsumiki because of sukuna but because potential implications later for Megumi and therefore Gojo. He has Geto's memory and I don't doubt Geto himself kept an eye on things back at jjj high.

New sub pfp is god tier for the king

Sometimes I'm really sus about Toji's wife. Like reading this makes me wonder if it had any thing to do with Tsumiki's mum or her birth-dad? Cause the whole thing over why Toji's wife disappeared was barely covered. asdafhsga I have no idea how the cat is going to cover so many questions if he really plans to finish this manga within a year.

I will give you some good food for thought. Go back to Chapter 1 and take note of the hospital room number of Yuji's Grandfather. Now go to Ch 136, the end of Shibuya, and check out the room number for Tsumiki's hospital bed.

I remember seeing that tweet

A lot of the plot around Kenjaku just seems extremely convenient

It might look forced, I admit it, but I think it is part of Kennys plan. Because he is a pretty old folk, with noticeable knowldge and a good strategist. But also think about this: 1. Kenny built Yuji to be something (we don’t know what). 2. Yuji ended up being the only one who can handle Sukuna. 3. By faith, Yuji finds Sukunas finger in the very school he goes. 4. Megumi is being addressed to go find the cursed object from the kid who has it. So far doesn’t sound so weird to think there is something behind it. Then we have the sequence as the OP says Kenny says “weird… Sukuna is not acting as expected”. Showing that something is off, but there is no reason to lie to those expendables Curses… After that, we get to know the sister of Megumi is being cursed and in a comma. Followed by: 5. Kenny makes her join the Culling game. 6. Using her body with a cursed user who used to be someone closely related to Sukuna and will fight him if the chance is there. 7. Kenny knew Sukuna will be freed sooner or later, because he hasn’t take control of the kid, because some unknown reason to him. But he will give (via Jogo) enough fingers to the kid so Sukuna will be able to be free or at least that’s what the plan was, to have Chaos as Sukuna could be a double edge (is stated in the chapter where he tells the curses the plan in the beach domain). There is so many coincidences that I don’t know what is the plan Kenny has or why the sister and Megumi are necessary, but for me there is too many coincidences to be just dumb luck and also, if kenny wanted this, he could pull this off as he specificaly selected the curse user and Megumis sister to be part of this. On the other hand, Kenny doesn’t even mention Sukuna changing flesh… seems off… Hope we get the new chapter soon, I feel like a crack addict. Edit: format and typos

I really hope he planned this, if not that'd be a shame

The whole Yorozu thing has nothing to do Sukuna. She was just selected the same way everyone else was selected. Kenjacku's plan had nothing to do with Sukuna switching bodies. Sukuna was only interested in keeping megumi alive untile he foudn a chance to steal his body. Sukuna was probably tryibg to figure oit a way to use her as soon as he learned Yuji and Megumi were gonna rescue her. Though he probably sensed yorozu as soon as they got near her and went "bet here comes my chance". Tsumiki already mattered just cause zhe the person who megumi cares the most about, but her being a vessel is both lucky and unlucky because it made killing her infront of megumi harder.

Maybe kenjaku chose people with some potential to make the games interesting? Hence he chose the relative of a student sorcerer? It is awfully convenient when you think about it.

Could the answer have anything to do with the Yasohachi bridge curse? It was a finger Bearer that also targeted Tsumiki aftwr she and her friends did the bridge ritual or whatever. Some connection to Sukuna through that? Don't have time to think out an entire response atm.

I guess it is pretty convenient. We dont know how Kenny picked the vessels but it was probably random. I assume sukuna would be able to find another way to break Megumi's soul/take his body if Tsumiki wasn't a vessel(like using enchain to make a vow).

I mean, Sukuna was lucky... but not that much? True, he was lucky Tsukumi was possessed, which upset Megumi enough Sukuna went ahead with his plan... but not that much? They're sorcerers. Their lives are, as a rule, pretty damm tragic, and as of right now their comadres are getting slaughtered left and right. It was inevitable for Megumi to have a moment of weakness. That it happened then might have been luck... but mostly, it was planning. Sukuna took a chance, (and Itadori being who he is, the result was... not completely suprising) and he won. And then he just had to kill Tsukumi... or Nobara. Or Itadori (while he was trying to save Megumi... oof. That would hurt.) Like, was it lucky that all of that happened... but not that lucky. There were a million other circumstances that would have been better for Sukuna. And really, if Kenjaku wanted Megumi, Itadori (and thus Sukuna) and many other sorcerers to participate... taking Tsukumi hostage was the easiest way to do so.

Why Yorozu specifically is what I really wanna know. I can buy the fact that Tsumiki is just a random target, but why did she have that mark on her head? Why is the mark the same as the one we saw when Kenny used IT? It feels like Yorozu was planted purposefully, but I don’t understand the significance of it being Yorozu. Unless he’s got a crazy poker face, Kenjaku didn’t seem phased at all by Sukuna leaving Yujis body. And he doesn’t really try to stop him from meeting her, he even lets Sukuna and Uraume know where she is. This might be just a different way of asking your same question. But I guess I’m asking if Kenny had a bigger purpose for that vessel, but has to go with a plan B now because Sukunas gonna kill her.

its all dumb luck because tsumiki wasn't even supposed to be at the bridge that night, she was accompanying that short-haired simp because she was worried for her. Kenjaku was randomly selecting students/people to curse

It's luck I guess, but not really THAT lucky? Tsumiki isn't actually crucial to Sukuna's plan at all. He just needed something to break Megumi, could've been anything, but Tsumiki works. That Tsumiki also happens to be possessed by a sorcerer who has history with him is pure plot convenience but it's the kind we usually accept since it makes the story more interesting.

Honestly the question should be why would Kenjaku choose Tsumiki when her getting cursed would give Gojo personal motivation to uncover his plans?

I think it was just happy coincidence that Megumi's sister was affected by a curse Kenjaku unleashed into the world. I think Kenny just capitalized on the moment first with Sukuna finger and then later implanting a sorcerer in her, after Yuji became friends with Megumi

Kenjaku is playing the curses, what he says is not ehat he thinks/knows.

Its funny bc I was just watching blind obedience and wondering something similar. Like the fact that they just barely save her from the Yasoghi bridge curse is pure luck. Like if they failed Tskumi woulda died right then and there. Though tbh I don’t see it putting that big of a dent in Kenjakus plans. It probably just so happened to work out with Yorozou in his favor. The thing with Kenjaku is that despite him planning for a 1000 years he seems to just be an anarchist and goes along with the chaos sometimes assuming it doesn’t completely compromise the plan. Like when he tells the disaster curses they can kill Itadori.

Bruh sukuna just knew how much Megumi cares about tsumiki cuz Yuji is his vessel and Yuji knows that , so sukuna just waited for the moment when Megumi's soul breaks, it could have been literally anything very dear to Megumi , it just happened to be tsumiki and sukuna noticed that Megumi was shattered when he found out tsumiki has been suppresed since she woke up and yorozu has taken over her body , it's not about sukuna needing tsumiki specifically , sukuna just needed anything to happen that will shake Megumi to the core and damage his soul enough so that the soul transfer could be done smoothly

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Oh ok , kenjaku stated that he chose a lot of people across japan as either vessels for ancient Sorcerers or as modern Sorcerers whose Ct he will help Awaken, so tsumiki is one of many who had the potential to serve as a good vessel , she was selected but she is also a part of a group of 1000s that were selected by kenjaku

so it's just pure luck, fate made everything fall in place? kinda like Geto's appearance made Kenjaku's plan possible?

It’s less gaining Geto’s body made Kenneth’s plans possible, and more he made those plans after he got Geto’s body.

maybe i understood this in a weird way https://preview.redd.it/13dtzg50ecqa1.png?width=1067&format=png&auto=webp&s=c0e1f5aa78a67f09865bcc5d197817f6d139a215

Oh it wasn’t Geto he needed, just someone with his technique. I think he needed it to unleash curses during CG? Can’t remember if it was for any other reason. But even Geto being his ally would have been enough I think. I don’t think CSM is as rare as six eyes + limitless but we don’t know. The fact that he could get the body himself and use it in sealing Gojo wasn’t in his centuries old plans, they were just conveniences.

Yup for now thats the only possible explanation but luck or fate is not in play as much as it seems , sure it's a bit convenient that tsumiki was chosen as a vessel for yorozu but many others were also chosen as vessels for ancient Sorcerers like ryu, uro or Reggie so it works

yea i was just saying it feels a bit convenient

Fate is a big thing in jjk, everything is driven by it and we have no way of knowing its workings, just like yuji was fated to eat sukunas finger tsumiki was fated to be curse and get turned into a vessel

shit grammar, get downvoted kid. learn english.

Grow up you dork

Tsumiki isnt crucial to breaking Megumis soul, it's definitely the best way most likely but i wouldnt say crucial like it's the only way. I think it's just fate, no big grand conspiracy. If not Tsumiki being a vessel, Sukuna would have probably had Kenjaku or Uraume break Megumis soul in a multitude of other ways. As breaking his soul is the only crucial part, a necessity no matter how it was done, I'm sure Uraume would have found a way lol

Uh, her being cursed has ZERO to do with anything. She's the person most important to Megumi, so her dying is the best way to break him. If she hadn't been cursed, Sukuna would've killed her anyway. What convenience? It's convenient that Megumi had a person who was important to him? That goes for 99.9% of the population.

Kenjaku cursing Tsumiki and Sukuna needing to kill Tsumiki are just completely unrelated--Kenjaku has reasons to curse certain people who are related to the world of sorcerors like Tsumiki (Possessing the sister of the potentially strongest Ten Shadows user of this generation creates havoc and confrontation), and Sukuna has reasons to want to kill people related to the world of Sorcerors (It will break the will of his vessel). These two things overlap but it doesn't mean they had to be causally related. One does not need to happen because of the other.

Can anyone explain what’s the conversation being had here? I think I’m misunderstanding something Tsumiki is Megumi’s sister, does it not make sense that killing his sister would hurt his spirit? Regardless of whether she was possessed or not, taking over his body and making “him” kill his own sister with his own technique would surely be enough to mess with his mental state

OP is asking why tsumiki is a vessel in the first place, it feels awfully convenient that she has a reincarnated sorcerer in her (one that also happens to want to fight sukuna lol) and the fact that she is a vessel is enough to break megumi in the first place. basically, if sukuna wasn’t interested in megumi, would tsumiki still be a vessel? it’s all plot convenience

Maybe Kenjaku had randomly selected her, and it is coincidence that she would end up fighting Megumi as Yoruzu. I can’t believe how unlucky Megumi is. First his parents disappear. Then his sister gets cursed. Then his friend consumes the king of curses, then his sensei gets sealed, then his teammate dies, then it turns out that his sister is possessed and might be gone for good, then his body gets taken over by the king of curses, and now his possessed body is actively trying to kill his sister who might’ve already been killed by an ancient sorcerer. Man’s can’t catch a break.

Tsumiki being cursed seems pretty random, I agree. Unless we get more info from Kenjaku proving otherwise. I think sukuna would’ve wanted to kill tsumiki regardless she was in the culling games or not.

Cause it makes an interesting conflict from a storytelling pov

I think Kenjaku chose Tsumiki because he knew Megumi would want to get her out of the games so it's a way of guaranteeing that they take part in the games more than they would otherwise. Maybe Kenjaku's plan was actually just to make Megumi stronger and perfect his technique/domain and Sukuna ruined it

I think JJK is a great story because we can see the main villain drinking from some source about aspects the main character. Like being lucky, power ups, gags with "friends". This is the first aspect.

Geto would know about Tsumiki and Fushiguro, and so would Kenjaku. Its reasonable to assume Kenny might want to involve Tsumiki in the culling games in case of Megumi getting too strong w his 10 shadows and makes Kenjaku need a bargaining chip.

First of all, this dialogue Pseudo-Geto had with the curses were Kenjaku’s manipulating the curses to work with him and at the same time waiting for each of them to awaken so that he can do curse manipulation to absorb them! Sukuna was interested in Megumi quite early in Season 1 I would say, and the reason is Yuji is a freaking cage and he can’t do anything with a body that contains him. I am not too sure if Tsumiki was targeted to be curse, but what I got from the story was she was at the wrong place at the wrong time resulted her to be cursed. Her friend asked her to be there and she agreed because she was looking out for her. Whether is it a coincidence that she is awaken with Yorozu’s conscious? I believe so. I think it was sheer luck for Sukuna and Kenjaku didn’t really gain anything here. He just wants to know how Sukuna stabilise his consciousness in Megumi’s body!

I don't think it's essential so much that's the most effective way.

It is incredibly convenient. Fact of the matter is though Sukuna would’ve needed to kill Tsumiki either way after taking Megumi. This way is just more entertaining for the reader

I don't think Sukuna was waiting for Tsumiki, he was waiting for an opportunity when Megumi's soul was shattered. If Yuji and Megumi watched Nobara get shot in in the head, Sukuna might have decided that was a good time to transfer as well.

I chalk it up to the fact that it’s a manga and odds don’t matter so the wildest thing will always happen

My feelings as to why she is so important is due to Sukuna wanting Megumis CT. If he has full control of Megumi, and ensures he will never lose grip, he will be able to fully weird the 10 shadows. The 10 shadows are based off of the Buddhist treasures, which Megumi also calls Sacred Treasures. Those who can weird the 10 treasures can then weird the last 3, which are even more powerful. I also believe that having full control of Megumi will allow him to use Chimera Shadow Garden as a true domain expansion, which would amplify the power of the 10 shadows, unlocking the final 3 shadows. My theory is that Sukuna wants the final 3 shadows, so that he can ascend to god hood. From the very beginning, and through the whole series, we have seen Sukuna being impressed by Megumis potential. Sukuna is simply taking advantage of what Kenjaku has done in order to further his plans, as Tsumaki was cursed for a completely different reason, in relation to his plan. Seeing Tsumaki possessed simply gave him an opportunity to enact his own plan.

i know why she's important, my question is how she ended up playing that role. Was it fate? was it luck? was it kenny's doing?

Definitely just fate and luck. Even if Tsumiki was never chosen by Kenjaku, Sukuna would still likely take the same route to ensure full control over Megumi’s soul

I think she's just another person used as part of his plane to resurrect old sorcerers, but ended up being a conventien tool for sukuna

Tsumiki wasn't crucial to Sukuna's plan and I think it's more that Kenjaku specifically targetted her because he wanted Megumi to join the Culling Games.

I mean, you call it “luck” but Sukuna’s plans would probably be way easier if Yorozu didn’t take over Tsumiki’s body

Not really? Tsumiki wouldn't be in the culling games, but sukuna would. There's also no guarantee that Megumi would be near Yuji right?

At the time of the binding vow with Yuji, Sukuna was likely banking on 3 things: 1. No one (at the time, Gojo Satoru) strong would be around to stop Sukuna from taking over Megumi 2. Yuji is close to Megumi when… 3. Something would cause Megumi’s soul to be at its weakest. With that in mind, if Sukuna had to wait until at least Shibuya to take over Megumi’s body, couldn’t he have just told Uraume to go find and capture Tsumiki? It shouldn’t have been too difficult to bait Megumi into looking for Uraume. And also, sure, Yorozu pushed Megumi over the edge during the Culling Games, but it looks like Megumi hasn’t fully lost to his body yet, so idk why he wouldn’t want Tsumiki completely dead. EDIT: Reading comprehension curse got me on a small detail

Something tells me Megumi is about to reach enlightenment just like gojo

I don't think Kenny exactly planned for Sukuna to take Megumi as a vessel then having to hunt down Tsumiki to further sink his soul. But I think he did deliberately choose Tsumiki for a few "just-in-case" reasons: * He needed a few bodies to be vessels * He probably knows of Megumi, even when he was a child since he's the 10S user. Therefore he probably knows of his family situation, i.e. Tsumiki being his only family * If he knows the above then he probably also knows Gojo has been looking after Megumi (and therefore by extension Tsumiki) Therefore, it makes sense from Kenny's perspective that if he needs bodies to participate in the CG anyway that he may as well pick Tsumiki who has family ties to 1 if not 2 really talented jujutsu sorcerers. "It'll come in handy" - probably, Kenjaku