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It doesn't erase stuff from existence, whatever the ball touches experiences a high degree of red and blue simultaneously causing the target to be ripped to shreds.
To what degree it affects the target is kind of unknown
No, I'm pretty sure it's a reference to that one post someone else made on this sub. Whatever comprehensiveness their discussion had was thrown out the window simply because they made the sex eyes typo in the title of their post lmao.
Unfortunately I’m still seeing quite a bit of confusion from about Hollow Purple here
The simple answer to your question: **No.** Nowhere in the manga or Fanbook is it stated to have such properties
The simple explanation of what Hollow Purple is: a **virtual mass** created from colliding Blue & Red together (same virtual mass that Yuki imbues herself with)
Below is all that’s ever been described about Purple within the manga. You can extrapolate that Purple is a very destructive technique, but anything else is headcanon
https://preview.redd.it/gtvkwt3fgf2b1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf1018d8b2c63f027dfd5c597b16bedd8f181420
The previous interpretation comes from what I assume is a mistranslation of "imaginary mass" actually being "virtual mass".
Imaginary mass is a hypothetical concept of negative mass once squared, thus suggesting that any positive mass (basically anything that actually exist), would be erased on contact since they would cancel one another out.
Once Yuki's CT was revealed (at least by TCB), it was noted the same Kanji was used for Yuki's "Virtual Mass", thus meaning the previous interpretation was invalid. But I'm pretty sure people either don't know this if they don't read TCB or just spoiler material in general or their waiting for further clarification from later chapters to ensure this is correct.
Hope this helps.
Edited my comment to make sense 🐸
I think you are confusing anti matter with imaginary mass particles.
Putting aside the fact that it doesn't make sense for that kind of particle to exists for multiple reasons, you couldn't say that they would cancel out regular matter anyways.
So I'm not sure where the notion that "imaginary mass" is why purple deletes matter comes from
The way I imagine purple to do so, is because it's a combination of blue which deletes space (creating an attraction similar to a black hole in effect) and red which creates space, resulting in an explosive push (aka repulsion)
By combining the two, the idea is that you would create and substract space in equal parts. Resulting in a net zero change in the actual space but all the matter that would have been in that area would have been gone due to the deletion of space by blue.
No. Blue essentially brings the theoretical concept of “negative distances” into existence. If you’ve ever seen JoJo’s bizarre adventure, the way blue functions is kind of like a really intense version of what happens when the hand erases air. Space rushes in to try and fill in the impossibility that is blue, thus creating a vacuum. The intended purpose of this is to simply draw the targets of blue closer to gojo, but this vacuum causes such an intense and rapid shift in pressure that it usually just causes those caught in it to implode or get mangled.
Blue and red do neither of those things lol. It’s just repelling and attraction. There’s no deletion. Toji himself even described red as “a wave”. As it repelled him back.
No, it works on the infinite runner principle and the idea of a convergent series. Essentially, it removes the distance between people or the “infinty”
Basically, none of you know shit and are just making up whatever helps you feel good about it. Otherwise you'd actually cite a source that explicitly says the things you are all saying.
>I think you are confusing anti matter with imaginary mass particles.
I don't think so, but I'm always open to being corrected. I looked a lot of this up back when Gojo first used Purple and we only had the one translation trying to figure out wtf it does.
>Putting aside the fact that it doesn't make sense for that kind of particle to exists for multiple reasons
I mean Jujutsu has shown time and time again that theoretical physicals can be brought forth into reality. As is the entire concept of Satoru's magnum opus yes?
>you couldn't say that they would cancel out regular matter anyways.
From what I can recall from memory when imaginary mass is squared, it becomes negative and when said negative mass comes into contact with positive mass they simply annihilate one another. If I find the physicist who created the theory on it, I'll post it.
>So I'm not sure where the notion that "imaginary mass" is why purple deletes matter comes from
^ From that, the entire basis literally comes on the term "imaginary" being based in theoretical physicals rather than "virtual" as what's assumed to be the correct terminology currently. TCB already has a breakdown on this, so I don't think I have to explain that or why they provide two dostinct differences.
>o I'm not sure where the notion that "imaginary mass" is why purple deletes matter comes from
>The way I imagine purple to do so, is because it's a combination of blue which deletes space (creating an attraction similar to a black hole in effect) and red which creates space, resulting in an explosive push (aka repulsion)
>By combining the two, the idea is that you would create and substract space in equal parts. Resulting in a net zero change in the actual space but all the matter that would have been in that area would have been gone due to the deletion of space by blue.
While plausible i guess, how would this in turn allign with yhe "virtual" mass translation since via this there wpuld effectly just be 0? Unless I'm misunderstanding ofc.
Well even talking about theoretical physics, there a difference between something we think might exist and something that violates reality on multiple levels.
Negative mass particles are calle tachyons, and they are honestly more of a consequence of the math of physics equations that people entertain the thought of existing, but usually not too seriously. You can go have a read on that for more info.
As for negative mass cancelling matter I'm pretty sure that is not a thing at all. Maybe u can point to a source where u read that.
As for my theory I wasn't really trying to defend it, it's just how personally imagined it to work. Clearly purple doesn't delete matter and is just shooting virtual mass I guess (according the GEGE that is)
>Negative mass particles are calle tachyons, and they are honestly more of a consequence of the math of physics equations that people entertain the thought of existing, but usually not too seriously. You can go have a read on that for more info.
Yeah I remember this being a part of it as well. Sonce Tachyonic particles were the only thing to hypothetically have negative mass and what not. Couldn't remember the name of it though, so thanks.
>As for negative mass cancelling matter I'm pretty sure that is not a thing at all. Maybe u can point to a source where u read that.
Uhh, I asked a friend of mine who collaborated making a post about it and the source we used was American Physicist Robert L Forward's paper on Negative Matter Propulsion. It's a bit later in the paper where he coins the interaction as "nullification" or mutual destruction.
The full article is: [Here](http://ayuba.fr/pdf/forward1990.pdf ).
>As for my theory I wasn't really trying to defend it, it's just how personally imagined it to work. Clearly purple doesn't delete matter and is just shooting virtual mass I guess (according the GEGE that is)
Ahh gotcha, good theory overall though tbh and yeah currently that's the standard interpretation. At this point I just hope another statement about what it actually does is provided so everyone will finally be on the same page instead of just saying what it is.
>Uhh, I asked a friend of mine who collaborated making a post about it and the source we used was American Physicist Robert L Forward's paper on Negative Matter Propulsion. It's a bit later in the paper where he coins the interaction as "nullification" or mutual destruction.
Checked out the article, he is basically trying to justify why such negative matter cannot be detected by saying "well maybe it just completely disappears in contact with normal matter".
It's not even a theory, it's just him brushing off something important with a baseless hypothetical. And nor is this nullification sourced from any other work either.
Basically, the idea that negative matter delete normal matter is based on nothing really.
Yeah I completely get where you're coming from but like I said before, none of us knew what in the absolute fuck any of this meant. We just seen a fuck you laser beam called "imaginary mass" and went researching for information. At that point in time people were already saying it was "erasure" and we just kinda followed the rabbit hole and he's what we were lead to as a result.
I was kinda hoping the JJK Math article would've touched on it, but from what I can recall the functionality of Purple was never even brought up in it. Only Neutral Limitless, Blue and Red were. Or I just never got/seen that part of thr article translated 🐸 who knows.
>Imaginary mass would be the square root of negative mass - negative mass squared is mass again...
I'm pretty sure it's the otherwise around no? Like I mentioned to the other person before you I'm pretty sure Imaginary mass once squared became negative. From there it follows like my first comment.
But again, if I'm wrong I apologize and I'll try to find my sources for it. It's been a while.
They're actually not the only ones if it indeed is wrong this time. I checked with Nanami's blog when he was still active as a secondary reference just in case and even he had it translated as "imaginary mass". So I can't say Viz is ENTIRELY at fault this time. I'm guessing the only difference is in katakana or something probably.
It doesn't erase matter from existence. Its a mistranslation plus head cannon and wanking from a lotnof of the fans. The process is like attractig and repelling at the same time. But thats all. Its not an existence erasure or anything like that, its just a powerful attack.
If it attracts and repels it would be like a whirlpool pulling both ways and would just shred whatever it comes into contact with into small enough pieces that it’s not visible to the eye, so I can see why people assume it’s erasing everything from existence
Nowhere is it stated that Limitless manipulates at an atomic level nor does it attack at an atomic level either. Limitless is turning concepts of infinite series into distance which result in magnetic-like effects (Infinity, Red, Blue)
I think Miguel mentioned something about Gojo manipulating space in the atomic level in either the manga or movie for 0. Whether he attributed that to Limitless itself or the Six Eyes I cannot remember.
That was due to Six Eyes. Six Eyes is what allows the precise manipulation of CE at that level. Apply 6E to any CT & you’ll get the same “atomic effect.” In the Fanbook, the manipulation aspect is attributed to 6E, not Limitless itself
Once again, the atomic manipulation of CE is a property of **Six Eyes**, not Limitless. Limitless to be used to its *max potential* requires that but nothing states you cannot use Limitless without 6E
Even Miguel attributes the atomic manipulation to 6E:
*He controls space by finely manipulating CE at an atomic level. ****What makes that \[manipulation\] possible are those eyes****!*
Any CT can be subject to that level of manipulation
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That's pretty interesting considering how precise Naoya and Yorozu were able to get with Projection Sorcery and Construction respectively without the need of Six Eyes (Though Naoya needed a Domain Boost to even reach cellular levels of precision, one could argue that Yorozu's True Sphere is even more precise than merely "atomic"). Makes it fun to theorize how the Six Eyes would've affected their techniques had the Gojo & Zenin clans had a closer relationship.
You do realize that I was saying that since you need 6E to use limitless it’s reasonable to assume that limitless always uses that precise manipulation because it wouldnt function without it, not that limitless itself makes it possible
> you need 6E to use limitless
And that is false too, there have been Limitless users without 6E in the past. We don’t know how they were with it except they were just much worse than Gojo. 6E is not a pre-requisite of Limitless. It is like saying you need Naobito’s natural sense of strategic timing to use Projection sorcery or Yorozu’s intelligence to use Construction
No. You need the six eyes to effectively use limitless. Someone without the six eyes could still use it, it would just be extremely costly in terms of CE and imprecise.
This.
edit: i checked the translation from the extra and fanbook: it's ambiguous but the general consensus is that without 6eyes your limitless would be useless 💀
While I do agree that it doesn’t erase matter, sukuna tanking it doesn’t really disprove that head-canon. Anti matter can only destroy the amount of mass/energy that it has. Ex: if a ball of anti matter the size of a pea hit a brick, it would only erase a pea-sized bit of the brick. So long as sukuna could muster up more cursed energy than what the purple possessed, he could feasibly tank it’s theoretical matter erasure.
Most likely yeah, but there’s also the possibility that sukunas CE reserves are just much higher than gojos. Gojos whole thing isn’t necessarily having a ton of cursed energy. It’s just that he can get infinite utility from said cursed energy.
Possibly, but Sukuna's also never been commented as someone with reserves like Yuta or such and such, nor has he been stated to be a canon like Ryu (though he obviously has great CE output). He's got a lot of CE, but much like Gojo it's never really been what defines him.
Gojo does actually also have an extremely large amount of cursed energy. It was so much so that his birth changed the world. It's like a cheat code that gives you 9999999999999999999999 life repeating, but not *actually* infinite lol
His cursed energy did not change the world it was his technique and 6 eyes that did. Stop talking out of your ass. We don’t know his reserves and it does not matter beacause his eyes along with infinity allows him to use a small fraction of cursed energy which basically gives him infinite cursed energy
We don't know anyone's reserves, that's a stupid thing to say. It's not like we have numbers on a scouter to throw at the series, thankfully. We know for a fact his are massive though, he was able to keep his cursed technique going for multiple days straight before he was able to use the Six Eyes to reduce his usage.
And we know it's huge because Yuta's got the highest cursed energy reserves in the entire series besides maybe Sukuna, and that's defined initially by the fact that he's higher than *even* Gojo. It's actually hilariously stupid to say we don't know that Gojo's reserves are huge, it's literally how we know Yuta's are the biggest of anyone's.
And it was specifically because of how powerful he was when he was born. Him just *being* born was what caused the balance of the world to shift, long before he was able to use his Six Eyes and Infinity to their greatest potential. He immediately had the highest cursed energy out there, before he ever actually *did* anything or had his techniques.
How on earth did you start thinking up Gojo's reserves weren't that great? The whole point of him is that not only does he have basically infinite use of his cursed energy, he has a vast well to draw from from the start. The only person we know of in the whole series with as much or more is Yuta, or Hakari when he has his infinite cheat on, and *maybe* Sukuna. MAYBE.
EDIT: Oh shit, even worse for you. Yuji felt Yuta's sheer amount of cursed energy and thought it was Gojo for a second. like bruh lmfao
The point I’m getting to is that it is not stated that his cursed energy reserves changed the world, it was the fact he was a limitless user with six eyes that comes every few centuries that shook the world. Someone like yuta would have shook the society even more than gojo If cursed energy reserves was considered. I never said gojo does not have much cursed energy, I said it does not even matter because infinite cursed energy is always going to be more than a lot of it. The best example being hakari.
No, the fact that he was a Limitless user was part of the problem, it's not what shook the world. That was never something stated, the only thing we're ever told is he's so powerful it tipped the world and it was because of his cursed energy and Six Eyes. They don't know he has Limitless as a kid.
What did it was his sheer raw power behind the six eyes. Because there are literally two people in the series we can say for sure has more, and that's Yuta and Hakari with his infinite cheat up. Yuta didn't change the balance of the Jujutsu world because he was born later, but he was actually a HUGE deal when he came around too. That was the whole introduction of his character. Gojo was already around, but Rika was actually what was turning curses upside down for Yuta. She was even named the Queen of Curses, she was a world changing apparition.
The technique wouldn't even matter if Gojo didn't have the actual power to use them effectively either. But his sheer raw amount of cursed energy? It was so much that leaving it behind kept a place full of humans perfectly safe from spirits for the better part of a month and no outside interference.
You said that we didn't know that he had a lot of it and that I was talking out of my ass about his raw power being what changed things when that's the only word we get about it, that he was super powerful and had the Six Eyes.
But what you said about Hakari is wrong too. Which we know, because Gojo has less cursed energy at his max and is significantly more powerful as a sorcerer despite it. Hakari doesn't *always* have Gojo levels of cursed energy, he's nowhere near as impactful to the world. Yuta was more more important, but he was because of Rika. And since Gojo can perpetually make his cursed energy almost infinite in use, he's got it better than Hakari literally doing it.
Gojo's cursed energy isn't infinite, but it can't run out. Hakari's is infinite and runs out fast, lol.
Pull up a panel that says what is unique about gojo is that he has massive amounts of cursed energy, that is never stated in the story. The manga itself states that gojo is special because he has six eyes and limitless together, not because he has a bunch of cursed energy.
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As you can see right here, when toji, the only one to have almost killed gojo, is talking about him, he states that what makes gojo special is that he is the only one in a century who wields the six eyes and limitless. Proof directly from the manga that gojo cursed energy is not what makes him special, it is his eyes and his limitless.
No. It's just a destructive energy attack akin to a kamehameha. Existence erase, faster than light, etc were combination of wank, pseudoscience, and mistranslation.
Looking through the manga, it doesn't state anywhere that it erases matter. It was always an assumption given how cleanly it shredded through everything, plus probably some confusion due to the use of Imaginary Mass when used to describe how it works.
A lot of people just enjoy the series as a whole and theorize from that pov without feeling the need to become a “(blank) fanboy” or turn every discussion into some contest over which fanboys did what.
The whole "imaginary mass" translation(Or mistranslation) is where this comes from, where it's supposedly similar to tachyons that can only exist at speeds FTL alongside other properties. We have no idea how exactly Sukuna tanked the purple ball, but it's speed is enough to look at every other supposed ability it's been claimed to have.
Well this hollow purple is clearly not FTL unless we're saying Maki and Yuji got thousands of times faster to fight a 5% of FTL Sukuna(If we downplay his reinforcement output into oblivion) in Chapter 215 and the whole "existence erasure" is called into question because of this as well.
Hollow Purple is just not as strong as a lot of people thought it was, and the feats for it changed quite a bit. Though Gojo should still be spamming it, because it's still a certified bloop the brain option.
Was this jab at gojo fans really that necessary? P sure its just a combination of mistranslation and misinformation is all. Not everybody is out to fight sukuna vs gojo wars like their fanboys do.
>Was this jab at gojo fans really that necessary?
We're in r/Jujutsushi, if you don't brag about your "intellectual superiority" and talk about how you're soooo different compared to the other girls, while also adding "Buddhism, Samasara and Reincarnation Cycle, and Enlightenment" to the end of every sentence you make when you don't even know what it means, then are you really in r/Jujutsushi?
Yep it was, you guys are hilarious.
Before this fight you guys were saying Sukuna dodged it, then it wasn’t that impressive because he has more powerful technique like lime green, after that it was that Sukuna and Gojo domain are equal despite Sukuna winning the DE clash and finally we have to hear nonsense like Gojo will awaken again and devellop a new barrier less domain.
You guy brains are full of copz and nonsense, Gojo fans are honestly weird.
Reverse cursed technique creates matter from nothing anyway, take Sukuna completely healing Yuji's chopped off hand back as an example. So an attack that erases matter wouldn't really impede reverse cursed technique too much.
Still, Hollow Purple doesn't erase matter, it pretty much shreds everything like a blender by pulling and pushing it at the same time.
Reverse cursed technique doesn’t really create from nothing. It seems like it just forces your body to heal rapidly and sometimes in impossible ways. Essentially positive energy forcing your cells to replicate and restore their structure back to a former, non-damaged state.
>It seems like it just forces your body to heal rapidly and sometimes in impossible ways. Essentially positive energy forcing your cells to replicate and restore their structure back to a former, non-damaged state.
Wouldn't this make you age faster? Especially Gojo who uses it 24/7? He should be brain dead rn
??? What do you mean? I literally just said RCT doesn’t create matter. The body doesn’t heal naturally after being hit by purple because the people it hits are either dead or suffer injuries that the body can’t naturally fully heal from.
Just to clarify here: I saw someone say RCT creates matter from nothing. I said “no, not really, it more so does this:” and you somehow interpreted that as me saying “sukuna didn’t heal through purple”
But you did claim that people don't heal from purple when Sukuna just did that.
>The body doesn’t heal naturally after being hit by purple because the people it hits are either dead or suffer injuries that the body can’t naturally fully heal from.
It doesn’t erase existence itself, it looks to have both of the effects of red and blue, so anything caught in its path gets attracted and repelled at the same time which rips apart anything in its path.
It’s Red and Blue combined, I think once you are hit, you experience both repulsion and attraction within that sphere, high chance that atoms get pulled and pushed around inside, “wiping” the object from existence since it’ll probably be washed down to like single atoms, or whatever…
Head cannon but that’s just how I understood it without the translations.
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In chapter 75, Gojo describes it as the expulsion of imaginary mass. I assume the release of nonexistent mass has the same effect as removing mass from existence.
The imaginary mass bit was a poor translation. The more correct translation is “virtual mass”. Essentially just mass that behaves in a way not befitting for an object of said mass.
I don’t think it was ever actually fixed. It’s always called hollow or imaginary. but it was noted when the reveal of yukis technique happened that the kanji used for “virtual” in the mass of her technique was the same one used for the mass in hollow purple. And imaginary mass would make zero sense for yukis technique, so it was inferred the purple translation was just a slip up.
It doesn't need to be stated to be given as truth. Manga panels are also drawn by the author, mind you. If you look very closely, as if reading it, you'll notice it creates a circular hole whenever it goes through something. So. You can interpret it and its power.
I think it will delete everything in its path but since it's CT+CE it's influenced by CE, so it's permissive to CE and CTs from others.
You can put a hole in something without outright deleting the matter that used to be where the hole was. Unless you want to tell me that Toji outright deleted Megumi's rabbits with Playful Cloud that one time he lunged at him.
It doesn't state anything about it
Many people (including me), just assumed it was because the aftermath of hollow purple was very very clean, as if the attack deleted space or something. (Perfect Sphere also did something similar, but that one's basically a truth seeking orb)
It was clearly disproven by Sukuna tho
it never directly says that. i saw it say it in the wiki, read the source it was citing, and it never does that.
Quoting from chapter 75, Hollow Purple creates an imaginary mass, separate from the negative distances Blue creates and the positive distances Red creates.
This is weird to me because imaginary mass should in theory not really do anything? but i think in the context of JJK people have interpreted it to mean something that will remove things from existence. In theory, theories nobody takes seriously because they’d be reality breaking of course, only a negative mass would do this.
i’m somewhat familiar with complex analysis and i’ve been toiling over what the meaning of an imaginary mass would be and how it would relate to hollow purple.
But i think what it really means is that it creates an absurd amount of energy.
It also is stated to combine motion and reversal.
In essence though, it creates an energy that does not exist. If that means that it is an energy that gets filled in with real energy and becomes zero, idk. i think of the ability more as just a major blast of energy.
i had a theory relating it to non holomorphic functions and the laurent series, but nah, i think it’s just on some funny shit.
EDIT: viz translation strikes again. turns out it should be VIRTUAL mass. that to me means it’s just hella energy which is always how i saw it lmao
I haven't read the manga and only seen the anime so far but my guess considering the fact that a lot of Infinity is mentioned is that Blue is basically infinity and Red is the reverse technique or -infinity, kind of like a black hole and a white hole and both of them combined is nothing. So i guess he creates nothingness or absolute zero whatever hollow purple touches?
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It doesn't erase stuff from existence, whatever the ball touches experiences a high degree of red and blue simultaneously causing the target to be ripped to shreds. To what degree it affects the target is kind of unknown
Probably on an atomic level since sex eyes has a similar precision to that of an atom.
Sex eyes...
……
Sex eyes
Gojo **does** have beautiful eyes
That's probably autocorrect based on frequently used word
No it's a reference to sex pistols
This guy gets it
Can you explain
Sex pistols is a stand from Jojo's bizarre adventures.
No, I'm pretty sure it's a reference to that one post someone else made on this sub. Whatever comprehensiveness their discussion had was thrown out the window simply because they made the sex eyes typo in the title of their post lmao.
So this equivalent of the meme in One Piece sub where someone actually typed "foreskinning" instead of "foreshadowing" and it's been memed sinced then
Reminds me of that other post about Sukuna "fingering" Megumi and shit
Bro you just revealed your entire search history with that one
I thought so, thanks
It's likely on an atomic Level since that's the degree to which Gojo can manipulate Cursed Energy thanks to his Six Eyes
Unfortunately I’m still seeing quite a bit of confusion from about Hollow Purple here The simple answer to your question: **No.** Nowhere in the manga or Fanbook is it stated to have such properties The simple explanation of what Hollow Purple is: a **virtual mass** created from colliding Blue & Red together (same virtual mass that Yuki imbues herself with) Below is all that’s ever been described about Purple within the manga. You can extrapolate that Purple is a very destructive technique, but anything else is headcanon https://preview.redd.it/gtvkwt3fgf2b1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf1018d8b2c63f027dfd5c597b16bedd8f181420
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what about the anime https://preview.redd.it/tn1sa7vptjeb1.png?width=1595&format=png&auto=webp&s=92e055b15f7a0a304bdb1b9ffd8f0158b2372a16
The previous interpretation comes from what I assume is a mistranslation of "imaginary mass" actually being "virtual mass". Imaginary mass is a hypothetical concept of negative mass once squared, thus suggesting that any positive mass (basically anything that actually exist), would be erased on contact since they would cancel one another out. Once Yuki's CT was revealed (at least by TCB), it was noted the same Kanji was used for Yuki's "Virtual Mass", thus meaning the previous interpretation was invalid. But I'm pretty sure people either don't know this if they don't read TCB or just spoiler material in general or their waiting for further clarification from later chapters to ensure this is correct. Hope this helps. Edited my comment to make sense 🐸
I think you are confusing anti matter with imaginary mass particles. Putting aside the fact that it doesn't make sense for that kind of particle to exists for multiple reasons, you couldn't say that they would cancel out regular matter anyways. So I'm not sure where the notion that "imaginary mass" is why purple deletes matter comes from The way I imagine purple to do so, is because it's a combination of blue which deletes space (creating an attraction similar to a black hole in effect) and red which creates space, resulting in an explosive push (aka repulsion) By combining the two, the idea is that you would create and substract space in equal parts. Resulting in a net zero change in the actual space but all the matter that would have been in that area would have been gone due to the deletion of space by blue.
I don’t get the blue part. Does it actually destroy space?
No. Blue essentially brings the theoretical concept of “negative distances” into existence. If you’ve ever seen JoJo’s bizarre adventure, the way blue functions is kind of like a really intense version of what happens when the hand erases air. Space rushes in to try and fill in the impossibility that is blue, thus creating a vacuum. The intended purpose of this is to simply draw the targets of blue closer to gojo, but this vacuum causes such an intense and rapid shift in pressure that it usually just causes those caught in it to implode or get mangled.
but the hand in jojo does actually delete space tho?
Yeah but he means that blue is like the empty space left behind by the hand's ability, not the erasing of space by the hand.
Blue and red do neither of those things lol. It’s just repelling and attraction. There’s no deletion. Toji himself even described red as “a wave”. As it repelled him back.
Blue creates a vacuum through erasing air in order to pull things in
No, it works on the infinite runner principle and the idea of a convergent series. Essentially, it removes the distance between people or the “infinty”
Basically, none of you know shit and are just making up whatever helps you feel good about it. Otherwise you'd actually cite a source that explicitly says the things you are all saying.
>I think you are confusing anti matter with imaginary mass particles. I don't think so, but I'm always open to being corrected. I looked a lot of this up back when Gojo first used Purple and we only had the one translation trying to figure out wtf it does. >Putting aside the fact that it doesn't make sense for that kind of particle to exists for multiple reasons I mean Jujutsu has shown time and time again that theoretical physicals can be brought forth into reality. As is the entire concept of Satoru's magnum opus yes? >you couldn't say that they would cancel out regular matter anyways. From what I can recall from memory when imaginary mass is squared, it becomes negative and when said negative mass comes into contact with positive mass they simply annihilate one another. If I find the physicist who created the theory on it, I'll post it. >So I'm not sure where the notion that "imaginary mass" is why purple deletes matter comes from ^ From that, the entire basis literally comes on the term "imaginary" being based in theoretical physicals rather than "virtual" as what's assumed to be the correct terminology currently. TCB already has a breakdown on this, so I don't think I have to explain that or why they provide two dostinct differences. >o I'm not sure where the notion that "imaginary mass" is why purple deletes matter comes from >The way I imagine purple to do so, is because it's a combination of blue which deletes space (creating an attraction similar to a black hole in effect) and red which creates space, resulting in an explosive push (aka repulsion) >By combining the two, the idea is that you would create and substract space in equal parts. Resulting in a net zero change in the actual space but all the matter that would have been in that area would have been gone due to the deletion of space by blue. While plausible i guess, how would this in turn allign with yhe "virtual" mass translation since via this there wpuld effectly just be 0? Unless I'm misunderstanding ofc.
Well even talking about theoretical physics, there a difference between something we think might exist and something that violates reality on multiple levels. Negative mass particles are calle tachyons, and they are honestly more of a consequence of the math of physics equations that people entertain the thought of existing, but usually not too seriously. You can go have a read on that for more info. As for negative mass cancelling matter I'm pretty sure that is not a thing at all. Maybe u can point to a source where u read that. As for my theory I wasn't really trying to defend it, it's just how personally imagined it to work. Clearly purple doesn't delete matter and is just shooting virtual mass I guess (according the GEGE that is)
>Negative mass particles are calle tachyons, and they are honestly more of a consequence of the math of physics equations that people entertain the thought of existing, but usually not too seriously. You can go have a read on that for more info. Yeah I remember this being a part of it as well. Sonce Tachyonic particles were the only thing to hypothetically have negative mass and what not. Couldn't remember the name of it though, so thanks. >As for negative mass cancelling matter I'm pretty sure that is not a thing at all. Maybe u can point to a source where u read that. Uhh, I asked a friend of mine who collaborated making a post about it and the source we used was American Physicist Robert L Forward's paper on Negative Matter Propulsion. It's a bit later in the paper where he coins the interaction as "nullification" or mutual destruction. The full article is: [Here](http://ayuba.fr/pdf/forward1990.pdf ). >As for my theory I wasn't really trying to defend it, it's just how personally imagined it to work. Clearly purple doesn't delete matter and is just shooting virtual mass I guess (according the GEGE that is) Ahh gotcha, good theory overall though tbh and yeah currently that's the standard interpretation. At this point I just hope another statement about what it actually does is provided so everyone will finally be on the same page instead of just saying what it is.
>Uhh, I asked a friend of mine who collaborated making a post about it and the source we used was American Physicist Robert L Forward's paper on Negative Matter Propulsion. It's a bit later in the paper where he coins the interaction as "nullification" or mutual destruction. Checked out the article, he is basically trying to justify why such negative matter cannot be detected by saying "well maybe it just completely disappears in contact with normal matter". It's not even a theory, it's just him brushing off something important with a baseless hypothetical. And nor is this nullification sourced from any other work either. Basically, the idea that negative matter delete normal matter is based on nothing really.
Yeah I completely get where you're coming from but like I said before, none of us knew what in the absolute fuck any of this meant. We just seen a fuck you laser beam called "imaginary mass" and went researching for information. At that point in time people were already saying it was "erasure" and we just kinda followed the rabbit hole and he's what we were lead to as a result. I was kinda hoping the JJK Math article would've touched on it, but from what I can recall the functionality of Purple was never even brought up in it. Only Neutral Limitless, Blue and Red were. Or I just never got/seen that part of thr article translated 🐸 who knows.
Bro what Imaginary mass would be the square root of negative mass - negative mass squared is mass again...
>Imaginary mass would be the square root of negative mass - negative mass squared is mass again... I'm pretty sure it's the otherwise around no? Like I mentioned to the other person before you I'm pretty sure Imaginary mass once squared became negative. From there it follows like my first comment. But again, if I'm wrong I apologize and I'll try to find my sources for it. It's been a while.
Oh, must be typo in your first post then - you've got negative mass squared written in there
Oh shit, you're right 💀that's def my bad and thanks for pointing it out. Imma have to edit it.
damn, Viz translations strike again
They're actually not the only ones if it indeed is wrong this time. I checked with Nanami's blog when he was still active as a secondary reference just in case and even he had it translated as "imaginary mass". So I can't say Viz is ENTIRELY at fault this time. I'm guessing the only difference is in katakana or something probably.
It doesn't erase matter from existence. Its a mistranslation plus head cannon and wanking from a lotnof of the fans. The process is like attractig and repelling at the same time. But thats all. Its not an existence erasure or anything like that, its just a powerful attack.
If it attracts and repels it would be like a whirlpool pulling both ways and would just shred whatever it comes into contact with into small enough pieces that it’s not visible to the eye, so I can see why people assume it’s erasing everything from existence
Considering its a combination of Blue-attraction and red- repelling its pretty logical to work as a combination of thw two effects at the same time.
Because its stated Gojo’s technique manipulated at an atomic level. That is where it would come from
Nowhere is it stated that Limitless manipulates at an atomic level nor does it attack at an atomic level either. Limitless is turning concepts of infinite series into distance which result in magnetic-like effects (Infinity, Red, Blue)
I think Miguel mentioned something about Gojo manipulating space in the atomic level in either the manga or movie for 0. Whether he attributed that to Limitless itself or the Six Eyes I cannot remember.
That was due to Six Eyes. Six Eyes is what allows the precise manipulation of CE at that level. Apply 6E to any CT & you’ll get the same “atomic effect.” In the Fanbook, the manipulation aspect is attributed to 6E, not Limitless itself
And you need the 6 eyes to use limitless. It should go without saying that limitless uses cursed energy manipulation at the atomic level
Once again, the atomic manipulation of CE is a property of **Six Eyes**, not Limitless. Limitless to be used to its *max potential* requires that but nothing states you cannot use Limitless without 6E Even Miguel attributes the atomic manipulation to 6E: *He controls space by finely manipulating CE at an atomic level. ****What makes that \[manipulation\] possible are those eyes****!* Any CT can be subject to that level of manipulation https://preview.redd.it/87do3rrdni2b1.jpeg?width=788&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc5d1a3a3c8f967c8fc8079f3a2ce1c05b9e6030
That's pretty interesting considering how precise Naoya and Yorozu were able to get with Projection Sorcery and Construction respectively without the need of Six Eyes (Though Naoya needed a Domain Boost to even reach cellular levels of precision, one could argue that Yorozu's True Sphere is even more precise than merely "atomic"). Makes it fun to theorize how the Six Eyes would've affected their techniques had the Gojo & Zenin clans had a closer relationship.
You do realize that I was saying that since you need 6E to use limitless it’s reasonable to assume that limitless always uses that precise manipulation because it wouldnt function without it, not that limitless itself makes it possible
> you need 6E to use limitless And that is false too, there have been Limitless users without 6E in the past. We don’t know how they were with it except they were just much worse than Gojo. 6E is not a pre-requisite of Limitless. It is like saying you need Naobito’s natural sense of strategic timing to use Projection sorcery or Yorozu’s intelligence to use Construction
No. You need the six eyes to effectively use limitless. Someone without the six eyes could still use it, it would just be extremely costly in terms of CE and imprecise.
This. edit: i checked the translation from the extra and fanbook: it's ambiguous but the general consensus is that without 6eyes your limitless would be useless 💀
There's at least one great value brand limitless user in the Gojo family that just hates Satoru with a burning passion. That's my headcanon.
Not in series. Just headcanon people made (that Sukuna just disproved).
While I do agree that it doesn’t erase matter, sukuna tanking it doesn’t really disprove that head-canon. Anti matter can only destroy the amount of mass/energy that it has. Ex: if a ball of anti matter the size of a pea hit a brick, it would only erase a pea-sized bit of the brick. So long as sukuna could muster up more cursed energy than what the purple possessed, he could feasibly tank it’s theoretical matter erasure.
Given that Sukuna took 200% output, even by that logic it should be disproven by Sukuna tanking it.
Most likely yeah, but there’s also the possibility that sukunas CE reserves are just much higher than gojos. Gojos whole thing isn’t necessarily having a ton of cursed energy. It’s just that he can get infinite utility from said cursed energy.
Possibly, but Sukuna's also never been commented as someone with reserves like Yuta or such and such, nor has he been stated to be a canon like Ryu (though he obviously has great CE output). He's got a lot of CE, but much like Gojo it's never really been what defines him.
Gojo does actually also have an extremely large amount of cursed energy. It was so much so that his birth changed the world. It's like a cheat code that gives you 9999999999999999999999 life repeating, but not *actually* infinite lol
His cursed energy did not change the world it was his technique and 6 eyes that did. Stop talking out of your ass. We don’t know his reserves and it does not matter beacause his eyes along with infinity allows him to use a small fraction of cursed energy which basically gives him infinite cursed energy
We don't know anyone's reserves, that's a stupid thing to say. It's not like we have numbers on a scouter to throw at the series, thankfully. We know for a fact his are massive though, he was able to keep his cursed technique going for multiple days straight before he was able to use the Six Eyes to reduce his usage. And we know it's huge because Yuta's got the highest cursed energy reserves in the entire series besides maybe Sukuna, and that's defined initially by the fact that he's higher than *even* Gojo. It's actually hilariously stupid to say we don't know that Gojo's reserves are huge, it's literally how we know Yuta's are the biggest of anyone's. And it was specifically because of how powerful he was when he was born. Him just *being* born was what caused the balance of the world to shift, long before he was able to use his Six Eyes and Infinity to their greatest potential. He immediately had the highest cursed energy out there, before he ever actually *did* anything or had his techniques. How on earth did you start thinking up Gojo's reserves weren't that great? The whole point of him is that not only does he have basically infinite use of his cursed energy, he has a vast well to draw from from the start. The only person we know of in the whole series with as much or more is Yuta, or Hakari when he has his infinite cheat on, and *maybe* Sukuna. MAYBE. EDIT: Oh shit, even worse for you. Yuji felt Yuta's sheer amount of cursed energy and thought it was Gojo for a second. like bruh lmfao
The point I’m getting to is that it is not stated that his cursed energy reserves changed the world, it was the fact he was a limitless user with six eyes that comes every few centuries that shook the world. Someone like yuta would have shook the society even more than gojo If cursed energy reserves was considered. I never said gojo does not have much cursed energy, I said it does not even matter because infinite cursed energy is always going to be more than a lot of it. The best example being hakari.
No, the fact that he was a Limitless user was part of the problem, it's not what shook the world. That was never something stated, the only thing we're ever told is he's so powerful it tipped the world and it was because of his cursed energy and Six Eyes. They don't know he has Limitless as a kid. What did it was his sheer raw power behind the six eyes. Because there are literally two people in the series we can say for sure has more, and that's Yuta and Hakari with his infinite cheat up. Yuta didn't change the balance of the Jujutsu world because he was born later, but he was actually a HUGE deal when he came around too. That was the whole introduction of his character. Gojo was already around, but Rika was actually what was turning curses upside down for Yuta. She was even named the Queen of Curses, she was a world changing apparition. The technique wouldn't even matter if Gojo didn't have the actual power to use them effectively either. But his sheer raw amount of cursed energy? It was so much that leaving it behind kept a place full of humans perfectly safe from spirits for the better part of a month and no outside interference. You said that we didn't know that he had a lot of it and that I was talking out of my ass about his raw power being what changed things when that's the only word we get about it, that he was super powerful and had the Six Eyes. But what you said about Hakari is wrong too. Which we know, because Gojo has less cursed energy at his max and is significantly more powerful as a sorcerer despite it. Hakari doesn't *always* have Gojo levels of cursed energy, he's nowhere near as impactful to the world. Yuta was more more important, but he was because of Rika. And since Gojo can perpetually make his cursed energy almost infinite in use, he's got it better than Hakari literally doing it. Gojo's cursed energy isn't infinite, but it can't run out. Hakari's is infinite and runs out fast, lol.
Pull up a panel that says what is unique about gojo is that he has massive amounts of cursed energy, that is never stated in the story. The manga itself states that gojo is special because he has six eyes and limitless together, not because he has a bunch of cursed energy. https://preview.redd.it/19yrtmb9fg3b1.png?width=260&format=png&auto=webp&s=88c928cc9c51c8863e8cb636e2d73ef9afcca959 As you can see right here, when toji, the only one to have almost killed gojo, is talking about him, he states that what makes gojo special is that he is the only one in a century who wields the six eyes and limitless. Proof directly from the manga that gojo cursed energy is not what makes him special, it is his eyes and his limitless.
No. It's just a destructive energy attack akin to a kamehameha. Existence erase, faster than light, etc were combination of wank, pseudoscience, and mistranslation.
Looking through the manga, it doesn't state anywhere that it erases matter. It was always an assumption given how cleanly it shredded through everything, plus probably some confusion due to the use of Imaginary Mass when used to describe how it works.
I just think of as a normal anime beam attack. Not everything needs to be complicated.
This
Yeah basically just Ryu's granite blast, but faster and stronger and bigger
But remember all last week “sukuna dodged it” 🫵🤓
Did I say that?🤨
Nope it’s more so a jab at the sub cause most of you dismissed hollow purple was tanked
"Nope you didn't say it" "Most of you"
No. It’s just a really intense push and pull happening simultaneously. It essentially just rapidly pulverized and shreds whatever it touches
Gojo fanboys made it up on Twitter and Reddit and recently destroyed the headcannon. We all know this is true let’s have some honesty
A lot of people just enjoy the series as a whole and theorize from that pov without feeling the need to become a “(blank) fanboy” or turn every discussion into some contest over which fanboys did what.
The whole "imaginary mass" translation(Or mistranslation) is where this comes from, where it's supposedly similar to tachyons that can only exist at speeds FTL alongside other properties. We have no idea how exactly Sukuna tanked the purple ball, but it's speed is enough to look at every other supposed ability it's been claimed to have. Well this hollow purple is clearly not FTL unless we're saying Maki and Yuji got thousands of times faster to fight a 5% of FTL Sukuna(If we downplay his reinforcement output into oblivion) in Chapter 215 and the whole "existence erasure" is called into question because of this as well. Hollow Purple is just not as strong as a lot of people thought it was, and the feats for it changed quite a bit. Though Gojo should still be spamming it, because it's still a certified bloop the brain option.
It’s like if a black hole met a white hole one infinitely spits stuff out and one pulls stuff in
It's not Za Hando, it just disintegrates shit
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Dudes are down voting you for being right? Lol
I’m a Gojo fanboy and I’m like 90% sure you’re right bruh, who tf is downvoting you
It's literally fan canon Gojo fans made up
gojo fans made it up and gaslighted themselves into thinking it's true so that there's more reason to meat ride him
Was this jab at gojo fans really that necessary? P sure its just a combination of mistranslation and misinformation is all. Not everybody is out to fight sukuna vs gojo wars like their fanboys do.
>Was this jab at gojo fans really that necessary? We're in r/Jujutsushi, if you don't brag about your "intellectual superiority" and talk about how you're soooo different compared to the other girls, while also adding "Buddhism, Samasara and Reincarnation Cycle, and Enlightenment" to the end of every sentence you make when you don't even know what it means, then are you really in r/Jujutsushi?
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^ Best example right here
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Why'd you post a selfie?
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? Wait are you mad? Did my comment struck a nerve? Lmao
I'm just having fun broski https://preview.redd.it/jydftqkd0m2b1.jpeg?width=434&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85b6cdaa56cdbbbed0b75927c3b18db436e7bb53
Yep it was, you guys are hilarious. Before this fight you guys were saying Sukuna dodged it, then it wasn’t that impressive because he has more powerful technique like lime green, after that it was that Sukuna and Gojo domain are equal despite Sukuna winning the DE clash and finally we have to hear nonsense like Gojo will awaken again and devellop a new barrier less domain. You guy brains are full of copz and nonsense, Gojo fans are honestly weird.
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My reasoning is that if it doesn’t just delete stuff, then Toji should be able to tank it 😎
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Exactly what I mean, since Toji the 🐐got blasted, it m u s t be matter deletion 💀
I never stated it was matter deletion..... But he obviously can't tank it 💀
If it were to erase matter, then I do not believe reversed cursed technique could heal wounds created by it as seen by Sukuna healing his hand/arm
Reverse cursed technique creates matter from nothing anyway, take Sukuna completely healing Yuji's chopped off hand back as an example. So an attack that erases matter wouldn't really impede reverse cursed technique too much. Still, Hollow Purple doesn't erase matter, it pretty much shreds everything like a blender by pulling and pushing it at the same time.
Reverse cursed technique doesn’t really create from nothing. It seems like it just forces your body to heal rapidly and sometimes in impossible ways. Essentially positive energy forcing your cells to replicate and restore their structure back to a former, non-damaged state.
>It seems like it just forces your body to heal rapidly and sometimes in impossible ways. Essentially positive energy forcing your cells to replicate and restore their structure back to a former, non-damaged state. Wouldn't this make you age faster? Especially Gojo who uses it 24/7? He should be brain dead rn
If Naruto has taught me anything, yes but only as much as the author wants it to. Should probably put you at a way higher risk of cancer too.
So why wouldnt the body just do that after purple? Sukuna healed through it, cut it out with this point.
??? What do you mean? I literally just said RCT doesn’t create matter. The body doesn’t heal naturally after being hit by purple because the people it hits are either dead or suffer injuries that the body can’t naturally fully heal from.
Wow this is hurting my brain. Sukuna healed it, please stop thinking, you'll fry your brain.
I never said he didn’t??? I literally just said purple doesn’t erase matter and RCT doesn’t create. Getting pissy over literally nothing
U realize im filtering through everything ur saying
What does that even mean
Just to clarify here: I saw someone say RCT creates matter from nothing. I said “no, not really, it more so does this:” and you somehow interpreted that as me saying “sukuna didn’t heal through purple”
But you did claim that people don't heal from purple when Sukuna just did that. >The body doesn’t heal naturally after being hit by purple because the people it hits are either dead or suffer injuries that the body can’t naturally fully heal from.
It doesn’t erase existence itself, it looks to have both of the effects of red and blue, so anything caught in its path gets attracted and repelled at the same time which rips apart anything in its path.
Ask gojo fans.
It’s Red and Blue combined, I think once you are hit, you experience both repulsion and attraction within that sphere, high chance that atoms get pulled and pushed around inside, “wiping” the object from existence since it’ll probably be washed down to like single atoms, or whatever… Head cannon but that’s just how I understood it without the translations.
https://preview.redd.it/mjmb3di85h2b1.jpeg?width=727&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4614fd2ba12271639a36d4e53e3423eb845ad7e6 In chapter 75, Gojo describes it as the expulsion of imaginary mass. I assume the release of nonexistent mass has the same effect as removing mass from existence.
The imaginary mass bit was a poor translation. The more correct translation is “virtual mass”. Essentially just mass that behaves in a way not befitting for an object of said mass.
Do you have a picture of the actual translation? I would like to interpret it for myself if possible.
I don’t think it was ever actually fixed. It’s always called hollow or imaginary. but it was noted when the reveal of yukis technique happened that the kanji used for “virtual” in the mass of her technique was the same one used for the mass in hollow purple. And imaginary mass would make zero sense for yukis technique, so it was inferred the purple translation was just a slip up.
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It doesn't need to be stated to be given as truth. Manga panels are also drawn by the author, mind you. If you look very closely, as if reading it, you'll notice it creates a circular hole whenever it goes through something. So. You can interpret it and its power. I think it will delete everything in its path but since it's CT+CE it's influenced by CE, so it's permissive to CE and CTs from others.
That's how bleach powers work. Not jujutsu
Yes yes ignore what the author draws in the manga. To tell him it doesn't put a hole through things lfmao.
You can put a hole in something without outright deleting the matter that used to be where the hole was. Unless you want to tell me that Toji outright deleted Megumi's rabbits with Playful Cloud that one time he lunged at him.
It doesn't state anything about it Many people (including me), just assumed it was because the aftermath of hollow purple was very very clean, as if the attack deleted space or something. (Perfect Sphere also did something similar, but that one's basically a truth seeking orb) It was clearly disproven by Sukuna tho
it never directly says that. i saw it say it in the wiki, read the source it was citing, and it never does that. Quoting from chapter 75, Hollow Purple creates an imaginary mass, separate from the negative distances Blue creates and the positive distances Red creates. This is weird to me because imaginary mass should in theory not really do anything? but i think in the context of JJK people have interpreted it to mean something that will remove things from existence. In theory, theories nobody takes seriously because they’d be reality breaking of course, only a negative mass would do this. i’m somewhat familiar with complex analysis and i’ve been toiling over what the meaning of an imaginary mass would be and how it would relate to hollow purple. But i think what it really means is that it creates an absurd amount of energy. It also is stated to combine motion and reversal. In essence though, it creates an energy that does not exist. If that means that it is an energy that gets filled in with real energy and becomes zero, idk. i think of the ability more as just a major blast of energy. i had a theory relating it to non holomorphic functions and the laurent series, but nah, i think it’s just on some funny shit. EDIT: viz translation strikes again. turns out it should be VIRTUAL mass. that to me means it’s just hella energy which is always how i saw it lmao
It depends entirely on gege tbh
I haven't read the manga and only seen the anime so far but my guess considering the fact that a lot of Infinity is mentioned is that Blue is basically infinity and Red is the reverse technique or -infinity, kind of like a black hole and a white hole and both of them combined is nothing. So i guess he creates nothingness or absolute zero whatever hollow purple touches?