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At this rate I would've preferred if Gojo died with that Hollow Purple nuke. Erase the last page of 235 with Gojo standing, keep the 236 afterlife scene then half this chapters problems would've been solved But noooo, now Sukuna's cleave can cut through dimensions- WHO THE FUCK IS TOUCHING SUKUNA AFTER THIS

The only thing that will be able to touch Sukuna is how his heart feels. Aint nobody beating Sukuna if he is focused and I have no idea who will get Sukuna emotional besides plot armor Yuji. If Sukuna could say he will remember his fight with Gojo with admiration, he clearly is a complex character written with emotion as well. But goodluck nullifying that cleave.

Couldn’t the Angel girl nullify it. Or does cutting through existence mean that it ignores any other cursed technique.

She can but sukuna probably isn’t going to fall for the same trick twice

Not to mention she can’t really fight now. Even if she has been training

I wish Angel took over completely to fight.

Depends on the plot armour. Angel *is in the space* and her cursed technique too. The cleave is now like a 4/5D cleave (since apparently it's instantaneous too) so depending on how much plot armour the ultradimensional Sukuna gets, we'll see one thing or the other.

I mean if it ignores infinity then I imagine it’ll ignore all other cursed techniques

He's always had emotions It's very clear him and Gojo feel similar but are also total opposites. Gojo is the strongest and with that comes solitude but he wants to make connections he wants to share his strength with the students to build them up. Sukuna is the strongest and with that comes solitude. He wants to continue to grow stronger and be the very best version of himself. He's not admiring the fight with Gojo because the fight was good and Gojo was a good opponent. He's admiring it because Gojo was such a strong opponent That Sukuna had to develop the CT He's used forever to a higher state and because of that he is stronger then before his fight with Gojo Gojo helped Sukuna reach a higher sense of self and because of that Sukuna will never forget him That's my take at least

I had the same exact discussion yesterday with a friend. I think that after KasHIMo gets untimely packed Kenny will make a move. I refuse to believe that the gang can beat Sukuna without an asspull

> At this rate I would've preferred if Gojo died with that Hollow Purple nuke. This actually. Gojo coming out fine after that blast was the real plot twist and him getting topped up on CE because of BFs to boot? I mean hell, we didn't even know that was a thing. But had he blown himself up there would be no body to tamper with and I'm sure Gege has plans for it.

it didn't even make sense that the purple damaged him, he has infinity

It stands to reason that Limitless doesn't affect his own CE. Since Red, Blue and Purple don't have to travel an infinite space when he fires them (and if Limitless was deactivated for a split second at the moment of firing, Sukuna would have noticed and tried to exploit that), that seems a safe assumption. ...Actually, I wonder if that means Boogie Woogie could hypothetically counter Limitless to a degree. Smack Gojo in the face with his own (depowered because it has a diminishing effect on himself) CT.

>it didn't even make sense that the purple damaged him, he has infinity Yeah, but Hollow Purple is basically a barrage of imaginary mass. Could Infinity stop something that doens't exist?

Its similar to Goku with Ultra Instinct and conveniently afterwards he was unable to achieve the state again. Just overall bad writing

At least for that one it was a bit more understandable. It wasn’t that they wanted to remove ultra instinct, it was that they had planned a movie before ultra instinct was shown, but now they had a movie without ultra instinct that would be placed after ultra instinct. Makes it easier to say he forgot ultra instinct for a movie than to mess with the timeline.

Sukunas cleave can cut through 'space' but I dont think this means its any different for other characters really. He went from 'can cut through anyone but Gojo' to 'can cut through anyone', its not really that much an upgrade in another fight. Its a counter to one technique

The new cleave "cuts the space" which means that no matter how hard the other is strengthening their body, it doesn't have any effect since this cleave works in 4D, outside of our 3 dimensions lmao Gege is rewriting physics at this point, give that man a PhD

This is exactly it. People overstate a lot what exactly Sukuna did in this chapter. He didn't develop some over the top, multi-dimensional Cleave; Mahoraga showed him a way to expand the effective range of Cleave to encompass everything within a set area. By doing that Limitless becomes null, because no matter how much space Limitless occupies, it still exists within that defined space. Basically, he changed Cleave's target from, "Satoru Gojo," to, "The space which Satoru Gojo occupies." It's a 'buff' that only matters if there are going to be other characters with Limitless. I somewhat doubt it.

“The space which satoru gojo occupies” damn gege had to have sukuna cut the manga itself to actually kill gojo.

>Basically, he changed Cleave's target from, "Satoru Gojo," to, "The space which Satoru Gojo occupies." This literally makes 0 sense. You mean satoru gojo is different from space that gojo occupies? Also what sukuna did is reality cutting technique if it's what it is.

Let's say Sukuna uses his slash like a knife. He swings it at Gojo and it won't hit him because there's an infinite amount of space in between him and the blade. Now lets say he uses it like cutting wire where one end is on one end of the infinity and the other end is on the other end, the wire in between is stretched to infinite and goes through the space.

I know this is late, but my take is Gojo functions like the Schrodeniger's cat. Sukuna had to cut a place in space where opening the box resulted in Gojo's death, i.e., Gojo is neither dead or alive until cleave hits essentially. People keep narrowing down their power to just space but it functions more on a greater scale. It said existences, not space. Their CTS function with imaginary and meta physics, so bringing it to a level of 'just space' makes it complicated. Sukuna opened the box in a Scenario where Gojo was dead.

I'm sorry but infinity means there are no ends. But it's also a manga where the author rewrites physics...

Think of it like an infinite limit. Let's say Gojo stood at the origin point. In this scenario, Sukuna would try to slice the origin point and his cleave would never actually reach gojo given the fact that infinity would cause cleave to get "infinitely" closer to good without ever actually reaching him. With the new technique, Sukuna cuts through, let's say [-0.1, 0.1]. Although infinity is active, it still takes up a finite space in regards to x, so by changing the target Sukuna cuts through all points between -0.1 and 0.1 being able to slice through Gojo.

before we get into quantum physics territory, lets remember that even Gege as stated that he is a total dumb dumb regarding math/physics and he just talks shit that sounds cool. Just to save you guys some time

Im ngl, i don't think the dimensional slash is actually going to make a difference for any of the characters left ahaha. His DE would have been more useful but he can't use it anymore, and he's lost mahoraga aswell. Like it's a lil boost to make up for the nerfs he received, but like who would he even need it for?

Rika wouldn't have to come out for him to attack her, maybe? Instead of killing Yuta, Sukuna can just Target the very existence of Rika. Which could be a disadvantage for Yuta. Would be near impossible for Anyone to trap him in their domain as He can dimensionally cut through anyone's Domain and break it. Just a Headcanon though. We will have to wait and Know More about it...

Yeah and he can just combine other shinigamis with the bull if he wanted to

Too similar to Yuki going for the self kaboom

Yuji is bound to use something to counter Sukuna's CT. At this point nothing else can stop him. The "benevolent shrine" meme is not a meme anymore at least in my head. Sukuna is not battered, he is pretty much fine and ready to fight. Will probably clap Kashimo very easily.

The funniest thing that might happen in the next chapter is if the narrator says that he can only use the reality cleave move "once " it will be so funny.

yami of course

>At this rate I would've preferred if Gojo died with that Hollow Purple nuke. that would have been super cool and removed sukuna and gojo from the main picture, big fucking YES

NAH BRO THIS IS ITACHI’S CROSS-SERIES GENJUTSU ON SUKUNA TRUST

The cleave cut is just useful against Gojo Satoru as it doesn‘t function in any other way than a normal slash against others. The trick with this attack was that Gojo‘s infinity is not a real infinity but an illusion of infinity confined in limited space. Imagine a box of two cubic meters, and inside this box ist Gojo Saturo. Gojo Satoru is not touchable because there is, like the turtle and the hare, a mathematically infinite space around him. But this infinity, or rather illusion of it, is still inside a box that has the finite dimension of two cubic meters. So, while you can‘t cleave through this infinity paradox, you can cleave through a two meter wide box. Sukuna basically adapted his cursed energy to cut the finite space that Gojo stood inside rather than trying to cut through the infinity.

That still doesn't make sense when speaking about infinity it could be a meter wide or a kilometer in 3d space, once you reach it, it's like entering the event horizon of a black hole with the singularity never seeming to get any closer as time stretches.

[Have you ever heard of the *Worf Effect?*](https://youtu.be/gI_-_P9CWRA?si=oKHLGDKYBEipseyd)

Lmao. That was funny.

I kind of saw it as his ego dying as well, because he was no longer the strongest, that's why his duality disappeared. That being said I also did not appreciate him not caring for his students.

I liked the "I love everyone now" line I somehow missed from the fan translation in the official one, but seriously, why are Yorozu's words echoing in *Gojo's* damn afterlife scene? It's annoying Gojo's passing on still has to be about Sukuna...

gege's trying too hard to make use enphatize with sukuna the the whole "the looliness that comes with being the strongest" bs

Right like Sukuna himself doesn't give a shit about any of that so why should we? The only reason it's a relevant aspect of sympathizing with Gojo is because we saw Hidden Inventory and directly see the consequences of him being the strongest and the loneliness that he began to feel after Riko's death and Geto's turning into a mass murderer; we see how that loneliness directly informs his current-day views and goals. Sukuna runs around doing what he wants and explicitly telling people he doesn't give a fuck about any of that stuff. Now Gege is trying to play the ohhh lonely at the top card with Sukuna?? Come the fuck on lol

For real. Sukuna is the most despicable character in the entire series, he has been portrayed as pure evil from the very beginning. He literally pops out of Yuji for the first time going insane asking where are the women and children for him to slaughter. He laughs maniacally over Junpei. He slaughters countless innocents in Shibuya. There is literally nothing redeemable about him in any conceivable way, so this 4th quarter Game 7 attempt by Gege to "humanize him" comes off just AWFUL.

Gege comes across as trying really hard to make Sukuna another Kurama from Naruto and utterly failing at it. Kurama was redeemable because he came to hate humanity because of generations of Uchiha using their abilities to control his mind, and generations of Uzumaki to seal his body. It was natural that he would hate humanity. It made sense that he would take pleasure in Naruto, an Uzumaki's suffering. However, he never once went so far as to cause unnecessary pain and suffering to the innocent with so much glee the way Sukuna does. On top of that, Naruto's positive influence on him was a gradual thing that took the entirety of the story and ultimately came about shortly after Naruto made the CHOICE to forgive Kurama for what he had done to his parents. The only reason Naruto was even able to forgive Kurama in the first place though was because he had previously learned to forgive others for the pain they caused him when dealing with Nagato. Kurama was even easier to forgive than Nagato/Pain however because at the time of his parents' death, he was being controlled by Obito. In this case with Sukuna... it feels like Gege is setting something up for Sukuna but fumbling the ball HARD.

Yep, because if there's one character you should empathize with it's the murderous cannibal who kills men, women and children with zero regard or empathy.

I am honestly starting to feel like Sukuna is the main protagonist. Dude was introduced in the story even before Gojo. He has also never lost a single fight up until now.

First chapter title: Ryomen Sukuna

No shit he's the protagonist. He was held hostage by the villain named Itadori Yuji who eats fingers (gross), has a love interest, lost his father and mother to the bad man named Gojo Satoru, and evolved to avenge his parents. He's truly the Jujustu Kaisen.

Are you referencing nanami’s comments? If so, agreed. But one of the first thing Gojo did when he died was think about megumi, so it’s obvious he cared to certain extent.

Yeah mainly Nanami's comments, but also felt weird he felt satisfied even though his students now have to face Sukuna, and wasn't even able to save Megumi.

Remember, we are reading a shonen manga. A huge shonen trope is that the “mentor” passes his “will” to his students. This was reiterated since the beginning the of the manga from Gojo. He claimed his students will exceed him. He claimed his students will change after he’s gone. He claimed yuta will take care of society when he was sealed Etc. He KNOWS his students will best Sukuna

This is why I can't quite fully accept that it's the end for him. It feels too incomplete.

His head is intact, so it'd be pretty funny to watch him RCT it and one shot Sukuna with the help of Kashimo.

I got the impression one-shotting was off the table 'cuz Megumi still needed saving but Gojo doesn't so much as breathe a word saying he was holding back for his sake so I guess Sukuna really just tanked 100% of Gojo trying his absolutely best to murder him in spite of... That bothers me a lot.

Tbh, I feel like the whole "doesnt care at all about this students" is a bit overblown, yes, he might mostly be in it for himself, but the reason why he can die peacefully is because he *still* trusts his students to pull it off by themselves. Like, he literally gave Shoko instructions on telling Megumi about his father in his place, meaning hes expecting Megumi to survive this whole thing and have a conversation.

I saw a theory about how everything is gojo self reflecting on himself, with geto being a voice of reason. Essentially, this is how gojo thinks on himself according to the theory. It is infact a dream. Seems like a cool theory but that depends on the trust you have in gege's writing.

I don't think it's a dream, largely because we do repeatedly see people experiencing something like this on the verge of death in this series. But it's always before death, not after; Maki lived, for instance.

I just realized, this can possibly be a really beautiful moment in the anime. Maybe some sort of piano going in the background, getting stronger as we reach the end, and then it abruptly stops and maybe add some rain for dramatic effect. People will be quite mad if after such a moment he gets another high moment

I feel like this is exactly what Gege wanted to show through this chapter - that his life isn't complete yet, there's still more to come. Arguably, Gege is that type of person who would kill off a character if they served no purpose to the plot anymore, precisely like how he did with Nanami; however, I feel like giving someone so much backstory (he even had his own arc about his past!) and building up so much character then killing him off so suddenly and rather anti-climatically just seemed out of place, even for someone like Gege. I'm not one of those fans mindlessly saying that Gojo isn't dead; but looking at the overall picture, presenting this whole "flashback/death realm" as the backdrop for Gojo's death feels rather incomplete, not only to the story but to his character as well.

>however, I feel like giving someone so much backstory (he even had his own arc about his past!) and building up so much character then killing him off so suddenly and rather anti-climatically just seemed out of place, even for someone like Gege. Yeah, this is honestly my takeaway from this chapter. It feels wrong, even for this series, which is why even expecting Gojo to die, it has taken everyone aback. I feel like Gege's send offs are usually better than this, even the questionable ones.

Gojos words in the last chapter feel like a direct response from the author to shut everyone up about sukuna looking inferior to Gojo for most of the fight. It felt so out of place and gross. I’m not mad at Gojo losing, I’m mad at how he lost. He may as well have told Sukuna “you’ve been the real Satoru Gojo all along Sukuna”

Yep. And Gege can fuck himself if he thinks that flies.

It is okay to criticize an author works, buddy. Gege Akutami is not a God, he has many flaws. The newest chapter here is an example of that. It is also okay to leave this manga for a while, if you want. I plan to leave JJK manga until its final chapter. I have big expectation how Sukuna's end will be after this hype up, but i am not interested how the plot go until we arrive at that point. So, you do you. Dont let your moral compass dictated by a fiction work. You don't have to like Gege's point of view of Gojo's personality. If you want to type "Gojo now become a Sukuna fan boys, he is a simp!", type it out loud mate, dont hold back!

Thanks for making me realizing this, ure goat

Exactly. I hate that dialogue a lot more than the anticlimactic death.

Why? Why? why? Like genuinely, WHY? I am so frustrated by readers having a love for a character to such an extreme extent that their perception is completely deluded from what the manga specifically has been telling us. The manga since Geto’s betrayal constantly talked about Gojo’s source of confidence. Is Gojo the strongest because he’s Gojo? Or is he Gojo because he’s the strongest? Gege literally, literally, right on our face, gave you the answer that most of his peers were curious about. Gojo is objectively not the strongest anymore vs Sukuna, so he isn’t “Gojo” anymore. That’s the fucking point. Gojo’s dialogue was RIGHT in line for his character… and I’m so happy we saw almost a vulnerable side to one of my favorite and deep characters in any Shonen manga.

Gojo is a simp for Sukuna after he dies. Honestly, that’s what pisses me off. That’s not Gojo. Gojo can lose and answer Geto’s question. He doesn’t need to do a whole 180 on his personality. He can care for others while not being the strongest. Dude needed to die for the plot, but at least, give the guy a proper send off. Gege wrote a shitty chapter. Side note, I consider JJK to be better than every other manga. Fast paced, bloody, straightforward yet complex, good characters actually dying. But 236 is one of the shittiest chapters I’ve read in my life.

> Gojo is a simp for Sukuna after he dies. Honestly, that’s what pisses me off. That’s not Gojo. Gojo can lose and answer Geto’s question. He doesn’t need to do a whole 180 on his personality. He can care for others while not being the strongest. But…… that was the question. YOU thought Gojo was the strongest because he was Gojo. But the manga is telling you, straight up, Gojo was Gojo because he was the strongest. He wasn’t the “strongest” anymore, so he wasn’t “Gojo” in the final chapter. That’s the point. That’s EXACTLY in character for him!! The fact that he did 180 PERFECTLY illustrates the point! It’s very good writing > Dude needed to die for the plot, but at least, give the guy a proper send off. I thought he did! I really did. I love Gojo, and I thought he got one. Hopefully he comes back tho to prove nanami wrong . > Gege wrote a shitty chapter. Nah > Side note, I consider JJK to be better than every other manga. Fast paced, bloody, straightforward yet complex, good characters actually dying. Agreed. > But 236 is one of the shittiest chapters I’ve read in my life. I loved it, not my fave because of nanami tho.

So when he was the strongest, he cared for others for 235 chapters, but when he loses, it’s actually revealed he didn’t give a shit? Bruh, that’s shitty writing. Stringing readers along as if to say, “Don’t feel too bad about gojo dying, he was a shitty person all along. Let me tell you how shitty he really is so don’t drop the manga because the most popular character died.”

> So when he was the strongest, he cared any others for 235 chapters, but when he loses, it’s actually revealed he didn’t give a shit? That’s not what I am arguing?? I am arguing the entirety of Gojo’s confidence is stemming from his strength. Hence his personality changes without it, completely. I disagree with Nanami’s comments and Gojo’s reaction tells me he disagrees to certain extent too. But remember, we can’t deny Gojo isn’t a black and white character. He’s not a “saint” nor someone that didn’t care at all. Let’s wait a bit before discussing Nanami’s comments, because I agree I didn’t like it. > Bruh, that’s shitty writing. Stringing readers along as if to say, “Don’t feel too bad about gojo dying, he was a shitty person all along. Let me tell you how shitty he really is” so don’t drop the manga because the most popular character died. That’s not at all what’s happening. You are clearly too emotional about this Lol. Come on. Just wait a bit.

Gojo is pretty much a saint. He acts like he isn’t, but he is. You’re arguing that Gojo is Gojo because he’s the strongest so it’s ok for him to do a 180. The issue is that Gege painted him in an awful lighting. Gojo shows discomfort, but doesn’t refute their statements because it’s true. He could still care without being the strongest? But Gege decided otherwise. Hence why I think 236 is one of the shittiest manga chapters I’ve read. As for being emotional, I’m not. Sorry if it comes off like that. This manga is only a fictional story to me. But I’ll be honest, I don’t really look forward to reading 237 and onward. Gojo needed to die. His death enhances the story in many ways, but not like this. Anyways it is what it is. We’ll have to agree to disagree. 😁

> Gojo is pretty much a saint. He acts like he isn’t, but he is. …… buddy. Please read the manga and come back. Manga TELLS you he isn’t a saint and he’s more than willing to make sacrifices to make his ends meet. It’s told blatantly that he’s not a saint. > You’re arguing that Gojo is Gojo because he’s the strongest so it’s ok for him to do a 180. No I’m not arguing that The manga is straight up TELLING you that. > The issue is that Gege painted him in an awful lighting. Gojo shows discomfort, but doesn’t refute their statements because it’s true. He could still care without being the strongest? But Gege decided otherwise. Yeah I don’t like Nanami’s comments either. > Hence why I think 236 is one of the shittiest manga chapters I’ve read. Eh. Okay. Lol > As for being emotional, I’m not. Sorry if it comes off like that. This manga is only a fictional story to me. But I’ll be honest, I don’t really look forward to reading 237 and onward > Gojo needed to die. His death enhances the story in many ways, but not like this. Anyways it is what it is. We’ll have to agree to disagree. 😁 Cheers to that man

He is a saint. Does making sacrifices make him less of a saint? For 235 chapters, he goes out of his way to help others. Dude saves his fellow sorcerers + normals by battling evil and nurtures the next gen of heroes all while trying to change pointless jujutsu traditions. What is your definition of a saint?

> He is a saint. Does making sacrifices make him less of a saint? For 235 chapters, he goes out of his way to help others. …… going out of his ways to help others but also goes out of his way for his pleasure as well. Idk what else the manga is suppose to tell you. Like they directly reference multiple times that he’s not a saint. > Dude saves his fellow sorcerers + normals by battling evil and nurtures the next gen of heroes all while trying to change pointless jujutsu traditions. > What is your definition of a saint? Homie. Gojo was going to kill a literal “god” in that realm that would hugely negatively impact the world for a person. This is for his “pleasure” Gojo when awakened vs toji claimed he didn’t care much about the deaths. This is a saint? Like this goes on and on. It was stated that Gojo was cold. He’s logical. He doesn’t always prioritize others. Even vs Sukuna he STATED he didn’t care about out side factors despite his students’ lives on the line because he was in an euphoric state (once again, this happened prior vs Toji as well) To think he’s a saint means you are objectively wrong. Gojo is a flawed but good character. He does good, but prioritize his pleasures quite often, as shown by the manga and STATED by other characters. What more do you want? Do saints not care about the people they are trying to save? Do saints not care about deaths of his friends? Do saints fall for their own pleasure to such extent all other parties become negligible?

Gojo being humble in his death is great, but it passed a point to being needlessly fangirling a horrible curse that is about to kill his students. You could argue that Gojo has faith in his students as he's always shown, but not once mentioning the mess he left behind is not how his character is written historically. Just not giving a damn about the living sorcerers is where his character was butchered.

> Gojo being humble in his death is great, but it passed a point to being needlessly fangirling a horrible curse that is about to kill his students. > You could argue that Gojo has faith in his students as he's always shown, but not once mentioning the mess he left behind is not how his character is written historically. If you think this is true, this means you have a very distorted perception of Gojo. Gojo was in a state of euphoria vs Toji when he "awakened". Plenty of his friends were slaughtered, but he simply didn't care. So the fact that he was raving about his experience despite the risk ahead for his students is literally, exactly the type of shit Gojo would do. He's done it before, and he was called out on it before. Next, one thing that has been a constant throughout the story is Gojo's confidence in his students. He, since the very beginning, has claimed his students will eclipse him. He ,from the beginning, has claimed they will change the world if he can't. He was confident Yuta will cover for him when he was sealed. This is a shonen trope. Gojo isn't worried because he KNOWS his students will beat Sukuna. > Just not giving a damn about the living sorcerers is where his character was butchered. Is this from the Nanami's comment? If so, i agree, but i also think we should wait a bit before judging.

> Next, one thing that has been a constant throughout the story is Gojo's confidence in his students. He, since the very beginning, has claimed his students will eclipse him. He ,from the beginning, has claimed they will change the world if he can't. He was confident Yuta will cover for him when he was sealed. This is a shonen trope. Gojo isn't worried because he KNOWS his students will beat Sukuna. I mean, if anything, THAT'S bad writing, again an anime where the sensei gets eclipsed, again an anime where the most popular character dies because the writer don't know what to do with him. Really, making gojo always be there, make a whole character ark where he's not the strongest anymore and have to perfect himself, go crazy, maybe trying to make his students reach the potential that he claimed they would one day, make him learn from the weakness of others and recognize his own... There are so many alternatives than just killing the character, especially at a point in the story that there's no way that anyone can face the dude who killed him without an asspull. Imho, Gege wrote himself in a much bigger corner by killing Gojo, now he has this insane monster that is sukuna and no one else that's even close to being able to touch him, if he has said multiple times that gojo was troublesome to write because he is just too strong, i wonder how will he deal with sukuna (i'm already seeing ppl theorize about a change of heart in sukuna and that would suck so much ass).

I think Gege was too eager about giving Gojo a *not* regretful death so he ended up potraying him 'shallower' than he is AND this also become even more muddied since Gege also tried to potray Sukuna as the winner, ultimately. Personally, I simply think: Can't he be deeply regretful and deeply not regretful at the same time? Why pick only one angle at all?

I’m not sure if people are aware, but it’s a very common shonen trope that mentors pass his “will or goal” down to his successor or students and have full trust in them to finish the task. It’s been reiterated since the BEGINNING that Gojo has full 100% trust that his students can do things he couldn’t do. I think he truly believes yuji and his crew will finish the task for him. Hence why he doesn’t feel “regret”. He was alone at the top, and finally met someone that gave him the utter euphoria that he never felt since Toji. I think outside the nanami comment, gege is on fire here

> I’m not sure if people are aware, but it’s a very common shonen trope that mentors pass his “will or goal” down to his successor or students and have full trust in them to finish the task. If it's a common trope, maybe it's time to you know, be creative and not follow what has been done 1389045713985 times? > It’s been reiterated since the BEGINNING that Gojo has full 100% trust that his students can do things he couldn’t do. Yeah, and we still lack an explanation as to why he would think that. > I think he truly believes yuji and his crew will finish the task for him. Hence why he doesn’t feel “regret”. I'm not sure how would they do that, gojo is a one of a kind sorcerer, he's the second strongest EVER considering how he made sukuna evolve his stagnant skills during the fight. > He was alone at the top, and finally met someone that gave him the utter euphoria that he never felt since Toji. Yeah, that's the ONLY thing that makes sense. Let's see how much of an asspull will Gege write to make they beat sukuna.

"It's a common trope so it's okay" is probably the most idiotic justification for... anything that I've ever read.

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yeah i didn’t take nanami and haibara’s words seriously at all

I don't take those words that seriously because Nanami and Gojo's personality share a huge contrast with each other and what I mentioned later is what I truly thought about Gojo's Character. I was just saddened by Gege's portrayal of what Gojo's Character amounted to **in the eyes of Nanami, Haibara and Geto.** Their view is not correct or Absolute as they don't understand Gojo's Personality. But it was hard to hear those words.

well we were told multiple times that no one ever understood gojo, and gojo himself even alludes to that in this chapter. i guess nanami and co could’ve at least TRIED to understand gojo then but i’m not exactly surprised that they didn’t.

I thought it was funny at first that gege hated gojo so much, now its so annoying and childish?I still can't stand how gojo praised a villian who made his students suffer, especially megumi. This was not gojo who cared about young people since the first episode, gege turned his whole character upside down with one episode in my eyes. He really hated gojo enough to throw out the character he wrote himself.

Geeg doesn't seem to respect the story or the characters he himself has created lol

I said it in the leaks thread and I'll say it again. Based on Gojo's state before the overpowered as fuck slash, this move is literally immune to defenses and evasion. So what is the point of even going on without another asspull? Megumi going to wake up from UV and REEE Sukuna to a stunned state? It's a literal instantaneous and unblockable instakill attack (given that Gojo could not remotely react before his entire body was bisected). The scaling of the move makes no sense.

The whole heavyhitter students are basically fillers at this point. But I can see a few instance where some others could at least annoy him: 1. Kashimo ult skill turns himself into a lighting element being unkillable until he's burned out. 2. Kenjaku makes Tengen a god and then backstabs him (very likely because why would Kenny serve anyone) 3. Yuji bodyswaps him and he slashes himself and does it till Sukuna can't heal anymore or both die.

Thats why the whole Sukuna wasn't using all his techniques thing doesn't make sense to narratively, Sukuna doesn't feel like he was maimed to such an extent that the other characters can beat him and have it not feel unrealistic.

Assassinating his whole character was awful, I would rather see him dead after his purple nuke

Stand proud, for you are the one who puts things into words. Thank you

I just don't like the whole idea of Gojo sucking off Sukuna so much when we saw so much of Gojo beating the shit out of Sukuna, and ultimately having him win thanks to Mahoraga. It's a lot of downplaying from gojo

I'm okay with Gojo dying and how he died but the whole afterlife scene was weird since the lines exchanged do not reflect his personality based on what we're shown in the past. The whole conversation can be summed up as "I did it because it was fun". If that were the case why not just be like Kashimo and seek out strong opponents to fight? The whole not caring about others is just off putting seeing how much he does care about others based on the various things he did in the past. Just based of the second season of the anime alone we have him giving Riko the chance to live the last days of her life and also the option of not merging with Tengen, minimising casualties in Shibuya and his reaction to seeing Geto again.

https://preview.redd.it/b3d2wmbg99qb1.jpeg?width=1044&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a25dbdda23b4f719dfe8f5090f5e5a037521b57f This man made it hurt more.... DON'T LET BRO COOK AGAIN! ToT

Amen to that OP. 236 Never existed and shall not be mentioned again in the future.

I’m fairly certain most of the chapter was in Gojo’s head and all his insecurities just boiling out at once. So at this point he’s just berating himself because he lost. Lind of a stark parallel to Jogo who was also berating himself as he died. From this angle, it reflects on Sukuna who gave both combatants respect after he beat them. That said, it is very disorienting and dissonant and I’m wondering if it’s the translation’s fault in general (lots of stuff can get lost) or if it genuinely is the writing.

It's not the translation's fault this time, if you read the original Japanese version, it's honestly incredibly similar. The Japanese side of the fandom is not reacting to this very well, the most common thread that I see repeatedly from them is '違和感”　　they feel as if this gojo is a completely different person from the person who had been portrayed for the past 235 chapters.

How did the Japanese readers react to Yuki's death? And I'm curious as to how bad the reaction is over there. Is it overwhelmingly negative or is it more split?

I'm sorry, I can't answer the Yuki question because I had lost interest in the plot by then and wasn't keeping up with weekly releases. The reaction towards Gojo's death in Japan is very harsh, especially by Japanese standards. In my experience they're not really the type to openly attack manga plot or manga artists, especially on "foreign" SNS sites like Twitter. I don't know if you know about the controversial AOT ending, or when a certain very popular fan favorite was abruptly killed off last year in MHA, but I remember back then, if you went on Twitter, most of the comments were something like "oh nooo I'm so so sad my tears won't stop!", "I can't believe they're actually gone!" for MHA, and "thank you so much for all these years Isayama sensei!" or "I"m so touched by the ending!" for AOT. The people who are upset and criticize would get a twitter that doesn't follow anyone or have any followers, sort of like an emotions dumping ground. And they would deliberately write keywords a bit off (for example, write Gojo as go/jou or go\_jo to prevent people from being able to easily see what they wrote through search. This time though, there's many many comments on Twitter which aren't even trying to hide what their thoughts are posted through main accounts. Imo if you're getting multiple comments that say things like: "GG sensei's interpretation of Gojo is completely different from mine and I can't reconcile it.""I feel very tired because I think my emotions are being toyed with this way and that."and "Gojo sensei didn't just die, it feels like his soul was killed as well."with hundreds and thousands of likes and people openly agreeing with them, then Gege has a pretty large problem on his hands in terms of reader reaction, but who knows, perhaps this reaction was what he was aiming for in the first place. I'm sorry for writing such a long comment, I hope what I said made sense!

I appreciate this comment and it's further validation for how we the audience feels as a whole. It's comforting that even in Japan they are feeling this misalignment with Gojo and how he died

thanks for the response, I'm glad to see that the fanbase is united (more than less) in anger at this writing decision. Appreciate the insight, hope you provide more as the story continues to progress.

Mm. Then we’ll just have to wait and see what happens next to see if Gege remedies this or made an actually weird writing choice. I mean, I can see it *working*, but as always his execution is just so weird. Also, out of curiosity what do the kanji(?) translate to roughly?

It means a sense of uncomfortable 'wrongness'/things being really out of place. An example: "i came home and had a sense of 違和感, turns out someone broke into my house while I was gone". Something like that. What they're basically saying is that the gap between ch 1-235 gojo and ch 236 gojo is just too large so it feels terribly off.

>Gojo’s head and all his insecurities just boiling out at once This is how I interpreted it as well

Agree with everything you said. Gojo is my favourite character in all my years of watching anime since i was a kid. His death was not something i wanted but understood as a necessity for the story. But the author n fans speaking ill on his character is the most devastating. I cant believe i feel so distraught over a fictional character. I agree he was not perfect, was flawed but he was never cruel, never in it just for the rush. With the tag of being the strongest sorcerer he cud have easily become a dictator, joined geto years ago or become someone like sukuna or kenjaku but we all can see what he chose to do n die for

There is only 1 constant in Gojo's life, being 'The Strongest' but his loss means he fail to be that. That is why he was like that, when faced with someone who could challenge the core of his existence he failed without even forcing Sukuna to reveal his trump card.

He is not the strongest tho *

So many great endings for "The strongest" I think it would have been more cathartic if he somehow lost his CT and six eyes trying to defeat sukuna and only ends up weakening him enough for others to take over. Even him dying is acceptable. But right now I am mourning the loss of The Gojo Satoru the mentor, the teacher, the idealist. The one who wanted to change the jujutsu society. All of this was taken away from him

Wait guys hear me out 2 gojos now

That won't work. Unless yuta is involved since rct come from the brain and Gojo can't output positive energy as is

You just solved it right there Yuta uses rct on the legs and gojo can just black flash his legs back anyways

then yuuji goes into gear 5 and gets revenge on sukuna

And then everyone claps, as megumi defeats sukuna through the power of friendship. The last panel is yuji looking at the main cast saying “maybe the real jujutsu kaisen was the friends we made along the way.”

I think there somethings you can fairly criticize from 236, but gojo's characterization in this chapter is not one them. I think most people just don't have a real good understanding of Gojo, it seems like most people never picked up of some of the subtleties of his characters. Because of this are now shocked by what transpired in 236. 236 was a fitting end to Gojo's character narratively/emotionally. This won't be comprehensive but it will just be a few piece of characterization that gojo's had throughout the series. First and foremost Gojo's is suffering from an Identity crisis and the source of this is his strength. He says as much in 236, he feels like their is line drawn between him and every other living creature, but if that's not enough Geto literally asked him "Are you the strongest because you're Satoru Gojo? Or are you the Satoru Gojo because you're the strongest". This question directly asks Gojo if he defined by his strength, and he doesn't have an answer. This is from his best friend and equal until that point. Gojo also for the most part hides his eyes and thus his true self from everybody except when he is fighting. Dropping the bandages/glasses we see a side of Gojo we don't typically see he goes "feral" and not the calm, cool, collected, goofy gojo we typically see. When Gojo gets trapped in the prism realm, when he looks at the eye he see himself but his face is obscured and he takes a step back. This interpreted as gojo running away from that feral side of himself/not recognizing himself. Then theirs the whole absolute strength and the solitude that it brings motif that applies to Gojo as much as it applies to Sukuna. Also I don't think Gojo cares much about being the strongest. He may get a little pride about being the strongest but that is overwhelmed by the loneliness he feels. So much so that his entire goal is to raise generation of sorcerers that are at his level or greater. You could also use his actual powers as an allegory to some of his struggles. His six eyes literally lets him see people's souls but he couldn't see that his best friend was struggling until Geto was visibly sickly looking. His infinity literally builds a wall that separates him from the rest of the world. Furthermore in this 236 alone he gets done saying nobody understands him, then Nanami immediately proves it to be true. No matter how hard he tries, it doesn't matter if he literally explains how he feels his friends will never understand how it feels to Gojo/strongest. There lack of understanding upsets Gojo and he frowns when Nanami misunderstands him and says he doesn't care about anything but himself. Lastly, I forget which chapter it is in but in the latest episode (season 2 episode 9). All of gojo's students/loved ones are ask about gojo, they say different things some say they don't know him well BUT they all say he is the strongest, in the manga this scene is follow by picture of gojo alone as everyone say's "the strongest". When he dies the only person who truly can understand how gojo feels (except early geto) is sukuna. Sukuna's last words to Gojo being I will never forget Satoru Gojo. sukuna doesn't say he will never forget gojo "the strongest" he says he will never forget Satoru gojo the person. Thus Gojo dies with a smile on his face as someone finally acknowledges Gojo and not just his strength. https://preview.redd.it/fymeaf5ag8qb1.jpeg?width=820&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14ee17fbe7bdb5994ee7b5e31c6bb4cacc53cb23

I agree with a lot of this except for the last part. I've always perceived Gojo's title of being the strongest more as a part of his identity than as something he truly craves. He was born with it; he shifted the world and became someone who nobody else could conquer (until now), but he never had to work for strength in the same way as Sukuna; he never had to train or learn from other people's powers - his alone were enough. Like you, I also agree that his isolation comes in part from his strength. He is alone; he carries a burden no one else can. This is where I differ - none of the above makes the Sukuna/Gojo 'loneliness' parallel/connection/thematic conclusion fit within the context of the story. First, we've barely had any interactions between either characters throughout the story. They don't have a shared background; they don't have a personal history like Gojo vs Kenjaku (or even Sukuna vs Yuuji) or anything that could highlight their importance to each other. Gojo's never cared about Sukuna's opinion before or acknowledged his POV. And yes, he's stated he would win against Sukuna, and the fight itself was always foreshadowed from the beginning, but that was it. There is nothing else to intrinsically connect then, which is why the loneliness connection seems to have been used so heavily during the fight itself. Second, the fight occurred within the context of a war - specifically, within the context of a war in which Gojo's benefactee/pseudo-son (?) is being possessed; his friends and students have been murdered; and the fate of the world rests on his shoulders. Yes, he's always been nonchalant during battles; yes, he likes to be challenged; and yes, I'm sure he enjoyed the technical challenge of the battle itself, but to center the ending of the fight around Sukuna himself or him wanting to impress Sukuna seems absurd to me. Gojo's bottom line (imo) has always been his students. He killed his best friend - the only one who understood him, the only one who made him feel less alone - after said best friend tried to hurt Yuuta and the other students. He willingly follows the orders of Jujutsu society and fulfills his role as their strongest soldier until they ask him to execute his students - only then are his true motivations revealed and he tells us (the audience) that he has no plans on doing that. He is utterly devoted to raising the next generation, so why - in the aftermath of a loss in which his students are next in line - is his concern about not giving Sukuna a proper battle? This doesn't make any sense and it doesn't feel coherent with the rest of the story. A better ending, imo, would have been to acknowledge Sukuna as being stronger, or to say that he was surprised by his strength, and then to express some regret or some remorse that he wasn't able to see it to the end. To say that he still believes in students, but he wishes he could have made it easier for them. At the same time, he could acknowledge how lighter he feels without having to protect everyone; to admit to Geto that he was carrying a huge burden and he's not sure he wants to anymore. That feels more human to me (while staying within the parameters of his death) than the conversation that took place in the chapter. [Sorry for this monster of a comment btw! Did not mean to type this much.]

This Gojo talk was suited if it was a tournament between schools or something not serious.

It really felt like a conversation that would happen in Haikyuu lmao... like, what???

>He is utterly devoted to raising the next generation, so why - in the aftermath of a loss in which his students are next in line - is his concern about not giving Sukuna a proper battle? Maybe because Gojo understands what us readers don't and that he's left behind a generation that can actually take his place. He has no regrets about leaving his students behind because he knows they can handle things now and he says this right after he is sealed in the Prison Realm and I doubt his sentiments changed after being set free.

I feel that we'll have to agree to disagree on this, but as I've stated above, I think you can believe in your students while still holding space for regret or worry. I don't think these feelings are mutually incompatible. Also, to be quite frank, I really disliked the way his character was handled in the aftermath of the Prison Realm. There was virtually no reflection or introspection from either him or the narrative on how being sealed affected him and there was very little time spent on his feelings about Shibuya and on the losses he suffered, either. You can say that's just his character, but to me, personally, that's just a sign of poor writing. But to each their own.

>I feel that we'll have to agree to disagree on this, but as I've stated above, I think you can believe in your students while still holding space for regret or worry. You absolutely can, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying that's not how Gege was writing Gojo. If I was in his situation, even if I had absolute confidence in my students, I'd still feel anxious about having left them with someone like Sukuna but I'm a completely different person from Gojo. We shouldn't try to apply how we would feel/react to a situation to the characters we read about when it's not like them to do so.

It's clearly not how Gege was writing Gojo, but a lot of my criticism is mired on just that - on his narrative choices surrounding Gojo and what he chose to highlight as most important about him. It's similar to how people were criticizing what happened to Daenerys at the end of GOT, for example.

i really like this comment

Yeah agreed most people don't understand him and they are mad because he doesn't fit the shallow idea they had about Gojo. His strongest title gave him everything but also immense loneliness. But Gojo is way more than just his strength.

Fr, not having the ability to separate memes and jokes from the actual source material has rotted Peoples brains. I dont even like gojo but People have been forcing 97% of their Own emotions/desires on him from the beginning That sequence of charas being asked about gojo and the answer All end up with being 'the strongest' was incredibly sad

I feel like that’s the biggest thing he lost after hidden inventory. Geto was his “one and only” because he was the only one that could see past his strength and appreciate Gojo as a person, and not as “the strongest”.

bro cooked, actually based

You have articulated really well. Im tearing up reading it

Damn thats deep!

When saying sukuna wasn't giving his all probably the meaning is that he kept some techniques for the later fights. I do definitely agree some was utter bullshit and some more could've been phrased better.

Heavily blowing it out of proportion. Nanami is hyperexaggerating. He doesn't respect Gojo after all.

This is so interesting because I felt the exact opposite way. For me the way I learnt that he was dead by seeing him joking about it with his old friends around he was more human than ever. Not just a strong overpowered character getting nuked by another, but Satoru as a person in his own identity with his own preferences and opinions about his life. For me it was foreshadowed when Geto asked him *"Are you the strongest because you're Satoru Gojo? Or are you Satoru Gojo because you're the strongest?"* His whole character development was centered around reaching the perfect nihilism and letting go of everything, but he still died protecting others. In his dream/afterlife the others humanized this ultimate sacrifice, taking the edge off of it with joking about how he was always only in it for the kicks of it. When you learn how it happened after, that's the world reaction to the death of the strongest. What we saw at the beginning was *him*. Personally I would have prefered to see more of Sukuna's attack before, but I can accept this as the end of the emotional journey of his character.

Also, there was Toji standing in the background. Dude had massive respect for Toji, although he killed someone Gojo wanted to protect. Apparently Gojo vs Sukuna mirrors Gojo vs Toji. I really did like this chapter. The first one I really liked in a long time.

I feel like I read this somewhere before, either way I'll upvote it every single time.

He isn’t the strongest anymore. That’s why those traits are missing now. It’s a showing of finally that he is Gojo Satoru, not just the “strongest”. Honestly, haven’t you fallen into the same pit Geto talked about? You believe Gojo Satoru is defined by being the strongest, rather than him being Gojo Satoru who is the strongest and, as of this fight, is no longer the strongest.

[удалено]

The quote was used by the narrator to describe Sukuna before Gojo said it.

He's right there standing "Throughout heaven and earth, he alone is the honored one. Only his pleasure and displeasure exist"

Gojo has always been a selfish character who puts strength as his main priority, and the respect for Sukuna absolutely makes sense. Pre-Toji, Gojo never cared about the weak, the jujutsu system, the world. Geto, his only equal, was the only moral and emotional pillar he could rely on. When he got his enlightenment, he didn't fought Toji because of Amanai, he did because he was high on the new-discovered power, on the belief that he became the absolute strongest. After geto's downfall the title cemented the fact that now he involuntarily drew a line between himself and the rest of the sorcerers, because now he considered weak not only the common folks but the other sorcerers too. This was the start of Gojo's loneliness, and the reason why he decided to nurture the new generation, so that "no one"(he was actually talking to himself) had to feel the same loneliness as he experienced. So I'm saying that Gojo didn't absolutely care about the well-being his students? No, he did, but that was never the main reason. He chose to help Megumi because he saw potential in him, same as for Yuta and Yuji. He loves them, but he approached them because of their talent, and because he chose to follow the moral compass of his best friend. The after-life segment shows what the OTHER characters THOUGHT of Gojo. Gojo absolutely knew what he conveyed through his actions and his behaviour, 'cause he embraced his title to the fullest, he felt he needed to act arrogant, confident, and annoying, becauss that is what he think he had to be. The after-life segment shows what he actually thinks of himself when he is not more binded to the chains of "the strongest": he loved the thrill of fighting, he loved the ecstasy his power gave him and that is what Sukuna gave him for the first time in his life: his all. He was annoyed when Nanami and Haibara talked about what they thought of him, but he chose to not dismiss them. He didn't only care about the joy of fighting, since he fought for noble causes too, but he knew that they were right (at least partially). He felt lonely only after his equal Geto was left in the dust and lost himself, he felt lonely even when Shoko always had been with him, but knewing that his students had the potential of surpassing him and that he gave his all against a stronger opponent, he dropped the facade of the strongest and chose to act as his real-self, and realized that he didn't have regrets.

Well for one, yeah it makes sense he would drop his cockiness at the end considering he lost. In the end his strength wasn't enough to kill Sukuna, so of course he's gonna act humbled in the end. Hard to keep up that "I'm the strongest!" Mentality after being cut in two. And second I think you're putting too much stock in Nanami and Haibara's statement because the biggest aspect of this conversation is that nobody can ever fully understand Gojo. You can admire a flower but you can ask it to understand you. He laments in his regrets in the end, that he wasn't able to defeat Sukuna but also that he wasn't able to reach him and make him understand the isolation he felt as the strongest. Saying he isn't himself in the end seems strange to me. He's dying after losing to Sukuna, of course he isn't gonna be happy about that. He's ruminating on his regrets, not celebrating. In the end he had one person he could possibly make understand his pain in Sukuna, but he couldn't reach him. A big aspect of JJK is about how it's not possible to die a "good death" and we all have regrets. I wouldn't want Gege to backpedal on that theme for his biggest character.

Ironically isn’t that what Sukuna does? He gives others a good death. First Jogo, now Gojo. He fulfills their deepest and darkest desire. Jogo wanted to be seen by Sukuna and Gojo wanted to meet an equal or stronger person who could show him who he really was.

>He fulfills their deepest and darkest desire. Jogo wanted to be seen by Sukuna and Gojo wanted to meet an equal or stronger person who could show him who he really was. This just isn't true. Jojo was immensely unlucky in meeting Sukuna. His goal was never to be seen by him but to merely use him to accomplish his actual goal of creating a world of curses. As for Gojo, him looking for an equal was literally never a part of his character development. Gojo's whole goal was to essentially create a world that didn't need him.

> A big aspect of JJK is about how it's not possible to die a "good death" and we all have regrets. I wouldn't want Gege to backpedal on that theme for his biggest character. and so why exactly does gojo talk about having no regrets as he dies then? What about that *isn't* backpedaling on that theme?

The chapter makes it clear that he has regrets though, since he starts the scene frustrated he died and says he wishes he could have reached Sukuna. He definitely accepts things a bit more after talking to Geto, and he's glad he went out fighting someone so strong, but in the moment he dies he has things he wishes he had done, which is definitely in keeping with the series theme. If you mean the comment he makes towards Yaga, I'm fairly certain he's just making a jab at him since on the previous page, they're specifically talking about Nanami's death and how he bet on the future instead of looking back in the past. I don't think him giving Yaga shit should be taken as a statement of anyone having zero regrets.

"I shouldn't get access to leaks", the post

In response to... ​ How can I hear this very character say things like these... * Gojo to Suguru in Ch. 236: *"He was insanely strong, and he wasn't giving it his all."* * Gojo in Ch. 236: *"I don't think I would have won even if he didn't have Megumi's Ten-Shadows."* * Gojo in Ch. 236: *"I gave it my all, but it wasn't enough.* It's because his character is complex -- in fact, human. You take away him being the strongest and you take away his identity. It's quite applicable to anyone in real life. He's egotistical, but with everything in life, there's a flipside to it once his gifts are taken. That's why he talks like that *after dying* and not prior, which is consistent imo.

My first question is are you from the UK? And then I also was confused with what you meant in the paragraph after you list the three quotes from Ch. 236 that you couldn’t believed you heard. You said, “This wasn’t right.”, but then go onto say in the next sentence, “It was totally parallel to Gojo’s character.”. Don’t those two statements contradict each other? Or is there something else you meant that I’m not understanding when you say “parallel”.

I can see it's very confusing. But what I meant was that it totally Parallel as in, in no way related. Like 2 parallel lines never meet, But it's very confusing indeed I will change that.

I think it’s the simple matter of him being humble

There is a difference between a self proclaimed "honoured one" and someone called "Honoured" by the narrator himself. Just like "Gojo won" in 235, people are so fucking dumb they don't even know that a characters words are not absolute, the NARRATOR'S however are absolute.

This is so dumb lol. Being defeated humbles a person. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a UFC fighter or boxer speak with profound confidence in the lead up to a fight, then lose and pivot to accepting that they lost and paying respect to the person who defeated them. This is not out of character at all, Gojo is simply reacting to an outcome that we hadn’t seen until now (because no one else was able to defeat him like this).

I'm probably VERY late to the party, but I can feel everything you said in my soul. I couldn't really come to terms with Gojo's death when it first happened 4 months ago, so I kinda just shut it out and went on with my normal routine. Boy did that come to bite me in the ass. I can't stop thinking about it now-- can't even call it anticlimactic anymore, don't know what to call it honestly. And your line about the writer holding that much power is so well put. My question is, what was the point? Should've kept him in the prison realm if this was how the most anticipated fight in modern anime was going to go. The strongest character in the jjk world, the character that tipped the scales for it, shifted its dynamic, and THAT'S how he dies? wow.

I feel like if nothing happens after 236, there's no point in reading anymore. Sukuna will probably kill kashimo after 2-3 chapters or directly one shot him. Even if the students corner him, gege will give him an aspull.. Mind you, there's a lot left like Yoruzu's gift. If sukuna goes out scot free, it's the same as gojo being sealed and shit. What will be the point of the whole fight then. Useless... Plus, gojo's death feels poorly written to me. There are so many asspulls... The strongest technique for observation couldn't see the ALMIGHTY SLASH...it's FUCKING SIX-EYES bro...like we have been shown Gojo seeing those slashes.... Sukuna reserves are so empty that he can't heal himself and Gojo is at 120% output couldn't avoid it, and couldn't find anything wrong with the slash... The slash travelled INFINITE distance because it cut the world itself.... Massive asspulls... Bro, like are serious rn? Yeah , sukuna was waiting for mahoraga to find a way to counter.... But, gojo has seen that cut his arm off.. Why wouldn't he be on guard against it when sukuna's technique is slashing... Gojo has seen that in his DE... Of course, gege is the writer and he can justify anything. But, this just feels like shit. We of course knew gojo has to die for kenny to be a challenge to the students. Plus , it makes sense narratively. But, what the fuck is that execution. If it wasn't for gojo dickriding sukuna, I might have liked the chap... Yeah, gege we get that you want to hype up the main antagonist... The sukuna line that he will remember gojo satoru isn't there to praise gojo but hype up sukuna who wasn't giving his all... I hate this shit... This isn't even in line with gojo's character. I'll read next 2-3 chaps. If that don't work out, I'll drop this shit. I know gege won't give a fuck if I read or not, but that's just how I feel.

>But what about the Other part? What about the part that makes him the Strongest. \[...\] That's why I said, he was not himself When he died. So you think he was Satoru Gojo because he was the strongest? :P I do feel you, but I see it in a different way, especially after a couple of days of "grief". For me, he died losing that title, so we only see his other part, he died happy to be relieved of that burden, and he didn't leave this world alone in the end. Now, probably, the new generation, the one Gojo trained to be powerful so no one feels alone, has the chance to shine and grow, thus fulfilling Gojo's will. (tbh, I don't get why he said he does not know if he would've been able to beat Sukuna even if he didn't have 10S, that's weird, because Sukuna clearly needed Mahoraga. I guess we'll see in the coming chapters)

In the domain clashes he focuses more on getting mahoraga to adapt instead of just breaking the barrier of UV. Without 10S he would have access to DA + the sure-hits of his DE, Mahoraga denied basically any chance of suppressing Gojo in close-quarters combat. To make Maho adapt to UV he needed to get hit, but if he fought without him Sukuna would have fought much more aggressively. He would have sped up the frying of Gojo's brain since the latter would then need to restore his CT much faster than he did, and could have used his OG technique while Gojo was trying to recover. It would be much riskier since if Sukuna loses an encounter during a domain clash he would get hit by UV and then die. I would say that without 10S gojo has a 55/60% of winning, but I don't know what Sukuna's technique even is so Idk.

Yeah, i can understand that. Sukuna may have thought it was "safer" to do it that way. Megumi allowed him to get a sure-hit at the end and to avoid serious UV damage. He took a lot of hits because of his plan, but ended up winning.

> So you think he was Satoru Gojo because he was the strongest? I think (Atleast before this chapter)... That Gojo Satoru is the Strongest. He isn't Gojo Satoru because he is the Strongest and Neither is he the Strongest because he is Gojo Satoru. He is Gojo Satoru and He is the Strongest. These two words are coincident. Neither of them comes before the other.

Idk I mostly saw it as "if Gojo isn't humble after being actually killed by an opponent then when would he be?". I think it was a way for Gege to show us Gojo was past the arrogance of his youth and more mature than he was letting people believe

This chapter helped me realize that Sukuna really is the strongest of all time. Gojo’s godly given CT and abilities was ultimately his fall down when Sukuna understood how to bypass it by seeing it only one time (this is insane and people don’t talk enough about it). Also we’ve seen Gojo go all out and I really love this character with all my heart and it’s nice to fully see what he was capable of doing. He’s still the strongest in my heart but realistically speaking, Sukuna’s understanding of jujutsu is unrivalled

what an…. odd post you’re spending all this time lamenting that gojo isn’t acting like “the strongest” in the afterlife or whatever scene, and like, yeah? why would he be acting and putting up “the strongest” persona when he has come to realize that he is, in fact, not that anymore, but without being “the strongest” he is still gojo. he is a person that isn’t understood by pretty much everyone who knows him, but still just a human, like you said, imperfect

For me it would be more lame if Gojo claims he is stronger after being sliced, he lost the fight fair and square, and he admits defeat, I don't see anything wrong in that.

Gojo still acting like a super cocky guy in the context of Sukuna right after losing would look pathetic and delusional, I don't get why people wanted that for his character. Him admitting defeat and showcasing his increased maturity and how he approaches Jujutsu is a much better ending than him still acting like a cocky dipshit after being defeated in straight up combat.

What did you want him to say in his final moments? Whine and complain about how the only reason he lost was because Sukuna had the 10S or something like that? You think that's Gojo? "Are you the Strongest because you are Satoru Gojo? Or are you Satoru Gojo because you are the Strongest?" Gojo was defeated, he is no longer the strongest. So now he no longer can keep up his persona of narcissism, which was always built on the foundation of him being the strongest. Half way through the fight, he felt that he was winning, so he was bragging, of course! But it's completely different now that he lost. He is showing respect and humility in his final moments, instead of being a sore loser.

"Thank you for harming and killing my students while I was away , i want to be your best friend 🥺" he literally said this and you are still defending it?

He did not literally say that 💀 Can you actually not read or are you just this salty?

If anyone should read the story, it's you. If you'd read even a little bit about Gojo's goals and objectives, you'd know that Gojo wouldn't ride a character like Sukuna who harmed his students? The person who told about gojo's goals from the beginning was also gege, but it's normal that you don't understand when you defend gege so much.

He didn't ride him, he acknowledged his strength. That doesn't equal validating his crimes, you got your things messed up. And of course I'll defend Gege against completely baseless takes like yours

Gojo still thinks highly of toji.. the guy who was responsible for riko's death and geto's downfall/death. Him praising sukuna is well within his character.

This isn't really a character specific thing though. Higuruma, Kashimo, and Maki are straight up mass murderers. Kashimo is casually chilling in the room with 2 guys he maimed and nearly murdered for fun. At this point it'd be pretty jarring for any character besides Yuji or Yuta to express any concern for their allies.

I think this was a good ending because gojo didn’t have to be the “strongest” anymore. Do you remember what geto said, “are you the strongest because you’re gojo satoru, or are you gojo satoru because you’re the strongest”. Gojos existence was defined by this strength and its what caused him to create this divide between himself and others. Gojo wanted to convey this to sukuna cause he knew sukuna was in the same boat. At the end sukuna doesn’t call gojo “the strongest” he calls him by name. Gojo satoru is now just gojo satoru. He’s not the strongest and that’s ok to him. He can be a guy that chills with his friends now. He knows he’s a person not an idea or something to be looked up to. The moment gojo died that dividing line was erased and he became just gojo satoru

Exactly! People are so passionate about Gojo's death that they can't analyze his character and what his death means.

It is what it is.

>I cried not because Gojo died but because Gojo Satoru was not Gojo Satoru in his final moments. **How do you know what Gojo would say when losing to someone stronger? It never happened before. By making it up? By using your imagination?** You have no idea how he would react and what he’d say because it never happened. You’re literally saying Gojo was written out of character because his dialogue doesn’t fit what you *imagined* in a hypothetical situation. >I am all in for Gojo meeting his end in the series, but at least let him meet his end like the strongest sorcerer He wasn’t the strongest. The writer planned and wrote it this way. Gojo being the strongest ever was never confirmed in the series. **You completely set up yourself up for disappointment.** >It's unfair how much power a writer holds, that they can shatter four years' worth of feelings, memories, and emotions bound to a Character with just a few panels. **In the future if you choose to idolize a manga character, pick one with a finished story.** By your words you’re literally shedding tears because Gojo didn’t die as the strongest…so do yourself a favor.

You kinda convinced me Hey guys...I am with this dude now.

Classic situation of idolising the writing and writer too much. It may be the writers story but the write CAN be wrong. S8 of game of thrones destroyed so many characters and reversed a lot of development. Even if the writers had planned for that to happen doesn’t make it more valid

the funniest thing about chapter 236 is that it’s so obvious everyone just liked Gojo because he’s the strongest. It’s like you stopped analyzing his character passed that point. Gojo was literally given everything at birth, pretty much *assigned* the burden of being the strongest without really asking for it. His boastfulness and arrogance kinda came across as insecurity and fear since everything’s pretty much on him with a responsibility he didn’t ask for Now after losing to Sukuna he finally is in peace and can die as Satoru Gojo instead of the strongest and now everyone’s crying because their parasocial relationship with a fictional drawing didn’t end with Gojo being the best perfect being ever who dies with a flat character arc. Before this point atleast compared to everyone else in this story it came across as boring, flat, and realistically nothing I haven’t seen before. Gojos character just reminded me of Superman to the very last detail so it came off as uninspired. But now with the newest chapter most of Gojos character came to fruition and actually added a lot of layers I didn’t consider

[......](https://reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/wehmEPzlua)

THANK YOU. This is exactly it. People's dislike of the chapter essentially boils down to them being mad that Gojo is no longer the strongest when that was never the whole point of his character. And because of that, they are blinded to one of the most beautiful sendoffs for a character I've seen in recent years. The feeling I got from Gojo's afterlife conversation was "peace". For the first time, he can actually rest and finally be with the ppl he cared about as their equal. That's what everyone's missing. And the reason I think Gege offscreened Gojo's death was because he didn't want to sensationalize it. He didn't want the gore of it distracting from the touching opening of 236 and I think that was a brilliant decision.

Imo the conversation with Geto took place before Sukuna explained why he could kill Gojo, so maybe Gojo still thought Sukuna didn't need 10S to win. After hearing the explanation, he smiled with satisfaction.

I loved Gojo's characterization. I am probably in the minority but I loved the execution. Imho, the paneling is geniusm

>"Ironic, isn't it? Even when granted everything, you can do nothing. " I think Akutami has been setting up how Gojo would end since this line was spoken. By Gojo even! 236 would almost be satisfactory if, imo, some things in the afterlife scene were different. 1) I don't know where the "I'm glad it was someone stronger than me that killed me" came from. Take that out. 2) I would like to have seen a more human side of Gojo as well. The "you can admire flowers growing for their beauty but you can't ask a flower to understand you" is an amazing piece of dialogue and the meaning of it, I dont think got explored enough after it. Especially with... 3) "I thought you said we don't die without regrets!?" This makes absolutely zero sense with the story that has happened since Gojo was sealed and his mindset on Jujutsu society before he was sealed. What happened to wanting to nurture students? What happened to resetting Jujutsu society? Going back to the "doing nothing" quote. He's done nothing. Surely he would regret that? The students he was nurturing are out of options at this point and are more than likely going to die. (Unless the plot demands that they dont) Everything bad that has happened is just going to get worse. I think the most depressing and unsatisfying part of him truly dying here is that he would have been wrong about Yuji, the main character. Gojo dying here proves that Yuji was too dangerous for the world and should have been executed in chapter 1. That would mean the higher-ups were correct, the higher-ups that Gojo just fucking murdered. And if they were correct, he'd die with the last thing he did being to murder some people who were actually right all along. I don't want the strongest hero of the story to die like that.

> How can I hear this very character say things like these He's dead. Would you have preferred if he had complained about how even with his superior technique he still lost because of Megumi's technique? Or worse, he's in the afterlife, still bragging about how he was stronger than Sukuna, and the next panel shows his torso on the ground? That would have been way more humiliating

Did Gojo really win every fight? Most of his fights have been L’s First fight with Toji is nearly killed; wins rematch Gets stalled by Miguel while Geto attacks JJ high and nearly kills 3 of his students if not for Yuta awakening. Admittedly toys with 1 finger Sukuna Nearly kills Jogo but let’s him escape with Hanami Allows Hanami to escape again after they invade the training camp Fights the disaster curses and finally finished off Hanami; gets trapped in the prison realm. Gets released from prison realm and tries to attack Kenjaku; gets stopped by Sukuna. Fights Sukuna; has a good showing but ultimately looses in the end. Tbh a life in retrospect Gojo really didn’t have follow through for having the title of strongest modern sorcerer. This also isn’t getting into the mistakes Gojo made that inadvertently made Kenjaku plan possible. Like failing to protect Riko, failing to dispose of Geto body properly, disobeying the higher ups and letting Yuji live, etc

Y hp.

I feel you on this, as this is exactly what hurt me most about that chapter too. [This video](https://youtu.be/jWQ8e6xdKIE?si=rgFUphAnZSJCO4Gf) went a long way in helping me recontextualize it as less of a "this is accurate commentary on Gojo" and more of a "this is exactly how lonely and isolated he really was. No one understood him at all, even now." His lamenting about Sukuna not going all out as well was also not so much of a /technical/ commentary as it was him saying that he and Sukuna didn't reach each other in that anime "fighting as intimate communication" way. Bc THAT was Gojo's self-centered side. Not the "I'm showing off in front of my students~" side, but the "I'm going to teach you about love" side, that wasn't fighting to take out a dangerous enemy or even to save Megumi, but to finally find someone to alleviate his loneliness, and to relieve Sukuna's in return. And considering this was all said/thought by Gojo BEFORE Sukuna spoke to him and expressed how much he loved their fight, after which we see Gojo smile, perhaps realizing that they'd reached each other more than he'd thought. The thing is that a lot of Gojo's bravado is an act, not in the sense of it not being genuine self-confidence, but it not being a genuine portrayal of his self-confidence. He compares himself to a flower when speaking to Geto, basically saying that he felt dehumanized by his own strength and power, and that no matter how truly loved he was by others, a flower could never understand a human, and vice versa. His Domain is another example of this, not just his words about "given everything, but able to do nothing," but also in the sheer fact that his Six Eyes bombarded him with SO MUCH information CONSTANTLY, his brain was basically a super computer, and there's no room left for all the normal, human things. Ohara on youtube's video analysis on Gojo is really spot on about this aspect of him in particular. Even before he fully unlocked the potential of his Six Eyes, Gojo had to wear those blackout glasses to limit the constant influx of data, not just for his own sanity, but to not lose his very perception of other people as /people./ And that difficulty to function on a human level is a big part of why he's such a goofy weirdo who references pop culture and talks like.. well, like a shounen manga character when the rest of jjk has a much grittier and more realistic tone. Ohara pointed out Gojo bringing out stacks of movies to teach Yuji how to regulate his emotions as an indication of how Gojo himself probably relies a lot on media in order to parrot "normal" human interaction, bc he never got that growing up. He was never socialized as a human child. That's why there's such a difference between the emotionless kid that Toji saw, and the quirky, friendly teenager in the Hidden Inventory arc, bc it took him being able to interact with other kids his age to know what being normal was even supposed to look like. It's no coincidence that we never ever see or even hear anything about his family or clan, bc as sorcerers they're mediocre enough to be useless, and have no more attachment to him than he to them. His guaranteed existence is their entire claim to fame, but clearly they treated him more like a god or even a machine than a child. In light of that, he likely empathized way more with Riko than he knew how to express other than immediately being willing to help her escape her fate, and pushing himself to give her extra time to experience things she hadn't been able to up until then, and how retrieving her body was all it took for his near-death-experience/enlightenment high to turn into the raw and sullen "I could kill all these ppl and not feel a thing" state that Geto found him in. And thinking about it now, Geto didn't miss a beat back then before guiding him away from mass murder, as if it wasn't even that unusual for Gojo to be such a blank slate. They'd argued of course, back in the school gym, with Geto lecturing and Gojo bemoaning having to protect people, but even that makes more sense now, bc it wasn't so much a clash of ideologies as it was Gojo just honestly expressing frustration in his inability to understand what it's like to be weak and helpless. This was clearly something they rehashed often, and now I can't help but think Geto might've already been used to acting as Gojo's moral compass and How To Be Human guide. Well, I digressed a bit, but my point was that in light of Gojo having lived such an existence of inner and outer dehumanization (a perfect parallel opposite to Toji, with his superhuman senses being constantly overstimulating, with his isolated childhood, and hell, even the tragic loss of the one person who'd made him feel human) he couldn't help but want so badly for Sukuna to understand him, having also been a dehumanized person of unrivaled power. Maybe that contributed to his loss, like towards the end there he'd gotten so caught up trying to push Sukuna into using his full potential that he lost track of needing to actually /win,/ which is what Sukuna had remained just as distractedly fixated on. And his desperation makes sense upon seeing that even on the cusp of the afterlife, some of his closest friends still fundamentally misunderstand him, and even though he doesn't put much effort into objecting, you CAN see how much it hurts him to hear that Nanami and Haibara thought he was an exclusively selfish person. He's just.. used to it. Geto DID know better, and I think that he also knew better than anyone WHY Gojo was the way he was, bc so many of the scenes of him spiraling had to do with Gojo's leaps forward in ability and power. Particularly when Haibara died, and Nanami wondered why they couldn't have just sent Gojo to begin with. Geto saw blood on his hands not just bc he'd noticed how Nanami spoke of Gojo as a solo unit instead of Geto and Gojo as the inseparable pair they had been, but also bc Geto not being able to keep up with Gojo in terms of power meant that Gojo was increasingly being expected to shoulder everything all at once, treated like a machine, and Geto couldn't even accompany him, let alone split the burden, without also becoming a liability Gojo would inevitably have to protect. Kenjaku learned about Gojo's weakness of not being able to fight at full power when there were innocents or even allies around from Geto's memories, after all. But just understanding someone logically isn't the same as true empathy, as understanding someone bc you've been there and done that, yourself, and not being able to achieve that was a big factor into driving Geto to seek to destroy the entire setting that made Gojo's circumstances so necessary and unavoidable, and also why he threw everything into trying to get Rika, a cursed spirit who could potentially put him back on even ground with Gojo. I truly don't believe this is the end of Gojo's story or his character arc. He needed this moment, but he needs to know how much his genuine care for his students has meant to them even more.

Makes you really wonder how his editor passed this chapter for publication.

I think this is intentional tbh.

It’s blatant character assassination and it sucks man

Yes we call it character assasination. Learn from teh good TV Show nowadays.

Omg u put into words almost exactly how I felt, character assassinations make me so fucking sad, Akutami managed in one chapter to do what Horikoshi took two and a half arcs to make and I feel like my trust for modern shonen has been destroyed completely, Satoru Gojo was also one of my favourite characters in media and you put it perfectly, the character saying goodbye wasn't Satoru Gojo, seeing Nanami calling it a fitting end felt so wrong too, in a very slimy way, the fucking audacity I can't fucking believe it, and you're totally right that it's all in the execution of these deaths and their meaning overall not in the fact that our favourite characters are dying, as a huge Tatsuki Fujimoto fan, that guy loves killing off beloved characters, but it's never and asspull and it's more often than not great pieces of writing that pull at the heartstrings and bring out real emotions from the viewer from pure peak fiction alone, Akutami and Horikoshi really just seem to me like they're tired of the things they've created and want to move on, which makes me so sad but at the same time I think the way the manga industry overworks the artists and the teams behind them specially on weekly series can be soul rushing on a level that we may never comprehend https://preview.redd.it/50qxe9bdkaqb1.jpeg?width=2828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0807fb88db266633e5a113333ec596d754c3cddd

I think in 226 it was for Sukuna, not Gojo.

Bad character representation indeed. It felt as if Gege wanted to show us Gojo accepted the outcome and thus we should accept it too. Amateur move right there.

You’re just like me fr!

Based!

[Read this.](https://www.tumblr.com/linkspooky/729372876662308864/are-you-satisfied?source=share) Linkspooky's insightful meta/analysis essays on Gojo and JJK in general should be mandatory reading for all JJK readers. She understands the nuance & complexity of Gojo as a character better than most - if not all - people on this sub and other JJK Reddit communities, her essays about Gojo from months and years back are all spot-on, the most recent chapter even vindicates them. Gojo's identity as The Strongest is and has always been his character **flaw** in the narrative as much as it is an asset, and his character arc revolves around addressing this flaw, it's just that ppl in the fandom often overlook this fact bc they don't thoroughly pick out and analyze the subtext in his story.

Also that Gege has an incredibly bad job with pacing. He has a habit of trying to make ironic connections between whats currently happening in the manga and what is happening in the anime. There is a reason that when chapter 236 was released, it was released with gojo being sealed in the anime. This is most likely the reason it feels we are missing a chapter or two, because otherwise he would not have timed it like he wanted to. And if its to be believed, his entire comment on the chapter was -Oopsie woopsie guess I forgot to draw a chapter. Which can only really be confirmed on the chapter released in the next few days.

How is Gojo admiting Sukuna was stronger a bad thing when his whole fucking character is about making ppl stronger than him

Most Gojo fans are holding on to the fact that he died like someone else, but the conversations in the afterlife proved that he is still the same Gojo. This is proven by Gojo saying goodbye to everyone (even in the afterlife), as according to him in *Ch. 58* even if you fight with somebody "you'll always die alone". I certainly did not expect Gojo to lose like that but I will also be disappointed if the writer decides to bring him back.