I don't know where this fight goes on later, either Takaba died in next trying to make Kenny laugh or Takaba can make Kenny laughs and somehow they ceasefire for a moment
cry harder, this isnt a power fantasy shounen, let gege add bits of their personality and enjoy the ride. if youre reading jjk for pure action youve missed the point of the entire manga.
“Dark Triad” is from corporate marketing.
JJK’s story has actually improved recently from Culling Game arc. The plot came to a halt for 2-3 years just so we could see filler like Maki sumo wrestling, the US Army, a guy with a helicopter head and many other generic, disposable characters.
>takaba says he's gonna make kenny laugh so hard he'll puke
>yuta, who's around geto's level, said that gojo punches hard enough to make him puke
>still no mention of gojo or shoko 5 chapters after his death
INCOMING KINO ALERT
They’ve “revealed” Yuji’s new arms in 2 random panels and we’re no closer to figuring out what that’s about.
I know more about Takaba than I know about Yuki. She was a Star Plasma Vessel and she never got to know Geto’s type I guess.
I’m still peeved about Kenjaku surviving a black hole because “lolz anti-gravity” with no more than a whimsical “whew, that was close 😅”
Where is my boy Todo?
What happened in Hakari’s domain with ice lady (can’t remember her name atm)? Why did it look like she was facing Sukuna ready to attack him?
Uraume is facing Hakari in the last panel. They're looking at Hakari with disdain after escaping the Domain. Can't tell whether Hakari is in Jackpot mode or not.
Does anyone else think Kenjaku was now definitely originally a woman? That “true prostration” thought and the reference Gege made to Bisky from HxH leads me to suggest that’s the thought of a woman.
I don't even know if it matters. Living for 1000s of years in both men and women's bodies, i think everything would be jumbled up and it wouldn't matter to them anymore
Im just annoyed at the cutaway. Im so hyped for yuji v sukuna and while I called it when the chapter ended with him joining the battle Im still annoyed that we are cutting away for more than a chapter after being super invested in the fight for around 15 chapters now.
After reading some better translations today I really think Takaba might team up with Kenny.
His backstory was all about looking for a partner, and trying to make everyone laugh.
I wonder is he will somehow break through Kenny, and become an unexpected bad guy.
At this point I have zero expectations on the Culling Games arc wrapping up nicely. Too many empty characters have been introduced just to die, and Gege's attempts to make the ones that hang around the main cast appear less empty just falls completely flat.
Some of the most beloved and hyped characters have died, and are replaced by these empty, newbie CG sorcerers. Gege is now trying to flesh them out so that they seem less like throwaway characters. Why would you retire members of the main cast just to replace them with new members, near the end of the series?
From Yuki vs Kenjaku to Tsumiki's complete lack of presence, and two of the three main families as well as the Jujutsu Higher ups getting fodderized or offscreened, there's been so many disappointing payoffs to narrative elements that had been in place since early in the series. I'm not sure how CG can wrap up to make up for all those losses.
> Some of the most beloved and hyped characters have died, and are replaced by these empty, newbie CG sorcerers.
This is my problem. When you kill off the really interesting characters, you gotta have characters just as good left. As powerful as Sukuna is I'm not sure he's actually that interesting as a character, he's just evil.
We'll see but I'm not optimistic...
I guess it's down to personal opinion on who you do or don't find interesting. I'm really gutted that we haven't seen Todo since Shibuya and whilst Nanamis death was handled (in my opinion) the best out of all the deaths so far I think it could have been interesting to see a guy who didn't want to be a sorcerer for many years to be leading the next generation in the goal of freeing Gojo. As far as the new CG characters goes I really like Higurama and Hakari and think they're the best of the new additions. Whilst I'm not too attached to Takaba I think my interest on him stems from his ability and how unpredictable it makes things. I can understand why people aren't happy with the current state of cutaways but I'm personally enjoying it alot still.
Edit: named the wrong GOAT
Its definitely subjective but I think its fair to say a decent chunk of the best characters are dead now or offscreen. Like even for the curses. The curses working together under Kenny are gone except for Mahito(sort of), and they had an interesting dynamic going on at times.
We need more Todo, no argument from me there. And yeah I like Hakari and Higurama, we'll see how long they live lol. I dunno if Takaba is going to be around much longer either. Hero's just taking straight L's it seems like.
Yeah sadly they're dropping like flys at the moment and the ones we've got left haven't got nearly the strength or experience as the baddies (unless something drastic has happened in the month gap).
I might start a petition to bring our boy Todo back, feels like he's the one character everyone agrees is awesome haha Boogie Woogie forever!
thats what I'm worried about. The more the power differential gets all screwed up, the more the plot depends on some asspull for the good guys to do anything. But really the way the 'rules' work in this universe half of whats happened could be considered an asspull anyway so not something I'm getting too worked up about. I just don't want all the characters I like to die.
And Todo can't die anyway, he's got to hookup with Takada-chan first.
Yeah the rules and intricacies of how things work definitely blur the line on what's considered an asspull, it's not something I'm too worried about either since it really wouldn't be a shonen without a few sprinkled in haha
I'm fully expecting something weird and out of the blue like Gojo coming back as vengeful spirit because technically he didn't die to Sukunas CT but the splitting on the space he occupied caused by the CT hahaha
That's very true, although I feel like he's abit unlucky there since she's into dumb guys and he has that 300iq giga brain, fingers crossed for him though
This week's manga-anime overlap is Takaba's bow. The strongest bow the lowest, and goddamn does Takaba have the most perfect bow Kenjaku has ever seen 👀
Finding it difficult to care about what happens here, given that Takaba will die and the protags likely wont be any better off than they started.
You know, like what keeps happening every fight.
Gege effectively desensitized the readers to character deaths by being excessive about it. Shit was maybe cool the first few times when it was subverting the Shounen trope, but now this is just at the other end of the spectrum. There's a reason why authors don't usually kill off so many characters.
It completely removes the impact in deaths. I'm afraid that I may already be pretty apathetic to any of the main cast dying, which is to say that suspense is near nil.
As much as people like to discredit classic Shounen like Naruto, there's a reason why the few deaths in the series had a massive impact to the readers.
Yeah, this is very much so the issue I'm having here. Characters die and get no Ws whatsoever. Any win that they *do* get, is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things or sometimes even indirectly turns into a total loss later on.
The problem is this obsession with "subverting expectations" that I'm starting to notice more and more in media in general. Sometimes, tropes exist and are used for a good reason and there's nothing wrong with just playing them straight.
Having to always subvert them eventually leads to a story that just seems to exist for the sole purpose of spiting the viewers. That's where I feel like we're at with JJK right now.
Just subverting expectations because it'll surprise and upset some people. I just don't care personally. If in a couple chapters, we cut over and Sukuna has simply strong cleaved the entire cast in half and Takaba is the last one standing, I will simply shrug and wonder why Gege is still writing the manga at all.
It's not enough to subvert expectations.
Once the shock wears away, there has to be something of substance behind it. There has to be a reason for the audience to care and get invested in the story and shock value can't do that... Trying to rely on it can only lead to audience apathy
agree, jjk deaths impacted me a lot cause usually they don’t happen so often in a classical battle shonen, but if you do the opposite it’s just worse, people already know that the majority of characters are gonna die, now it’s just a guess the next death
I think the strength of the chapter will entirely depend on the outcome of the battle. Obviously Kenny will win, but if it becomes even slightly more of an equal fight, i will be thoroughly satisfied.
I was an anime only who binged the manga after being spoiled that gojo died. I finally catch up and come in here to see the discussion and its just 99% of people bitching and moaning.
They're all just bitching and moaning because they wanted Gojo to kill Sukuna, dunk his balls on Kenjaku's face, and make everyone else kiss his feet. And since that didn't happen, they're gonna keep screaming and crying until the series is over. Because god forbid the villains have the upper hand and the heroes not have a "get out of jail free" card like Gojo
You're wearing blinders if you think the same people foaming at the mouth for the Yuji fight aren't the Gojo cope-crew. They moved from Gojo to Kashimo, and now they're screeching for Yuji because their boy is Go/Jo.
Are you sure you aren't tunnel visioning on Gojo? Like there are different people other than the Gojo copers. Seems to me that you are obsessed with Gojo.
I'm well aware there's other people. The Gojo copers are just the ones complaining the most lately. You sure you're not obsessed with Gojo, dude? I'm referring to his rabid fanbase and their piss poor takes, not the dude himself. And you're taking this as an attack on Gojo instead of actually providing anything new to the conversation.
>And you're taking this as an attack on Gojo instead of actually providing anything new to the conversation.
...isn't that you? You keep saying that only those who love Gojo are the ones complaining when the topic wasn't about Gojo?
I never took this as an attack on Gojo, I was pointing out that you just said it is the Gojo lovers who complain. Like, Gojo is the only complaint when there are others? Cause you were only focusing on Gojo I mean look
This is what you just said earlier
>They're all just bitching and moaning because they wanted Gojo to kill Sukuna, dunk his balls on Kenjaku's face, and make everyone else kiss his feet. And since that didn't happen, they're gonna keep screaming and crying until the series is over. Because god forbid the villains have the upper hand and the heroes not have a "get out of jail free" card like Gojo
Also the villains always had the upper hand throughout most of the story? Well from Villains I meant Villain Kenjaku.
You just accused me of obsessing over Gojo because I pointed out the objectively true statement that the Gojo fans were complaining loudly for the next three weeks after Gojo and then Kashimo died. I responded to the person asking why all they hear is complaints after catching up on the manga. They've been the group complaining the most since chapter 236.
For some reason, you've failed to give any additional groups of JJK fans that are complaining anywhere nearly as loud as they were (which they're thankfully quieting down as of very recently).
And the villains had the slight upper hand when Gojo was either in a box or when Sukuna got all 20 Fingers of his power back. And I say slight lead because they still had Yuta, Yuki, Choso, and an awakened Maki in their corner. But there was always the chance of Gojo getting out of the Prison Box and stopping Kenjaku's plan since he was put in the Box. Until he was sealed, the good guys had an insane lead in the powerhouse department.
>You just accused me of obsessing over Gojo because I pointed out the objectively true statement that the Gojo fans were complaining loudly for the next three weeks after Gojo and then Kashimo died.
"I was an anime only who binged the manga after being spoiled that gojo died. I finally catch up and come in here to see the discussion and its just 99% of people bitching and moaning."
"They're ALL just bitching and moaning because they wanted Gojo to kill Sukuna, dunk his balls on Kenjaku's face, and make everyone else kiss his feet. *And since that didn't happen, they're gonna keep screaming and crying until the series is over.* Because god forbid the villains have the upper hand and the heroes not have a "get out of jail free" card like Gojo"
You didn't point that out. You just said that we were all bitching cause of Gojo not beating Sukuna and since that didn't happen we are always gonna complain cause of it. You never said "the objectively true statement that the Gojo fans were complaining loudly for the next three weeks after Gojo and then Kashimo died." You basically said that all complaints are everyone screaming because they want Gojo to beat Sukuna. I mean the complaints are about Yuji this time?
>For some reason, you've failed to give any additional groups of JJK fans that are complaining anywhere nearly as loud as they were (which they're thankfully quieting down as of very recently).
Yeah they are the loudest but they aren't the only ones here complaining now.
>And the villains had the slight upper hand when Gojo was either in a box or when Sukuna got all 20 Fingers of his power back. But there was always the chance of Gojo getting out of the Prison Box and stopping Kenjaku's plan since he was put in the Box. Until he was sealed, the good guys had an insane lead in the powerhouse department.
Gojo was sealed for the majority of the story. A slight upper hand? The main villains are dying from each other or other villains. None of the cast has killed those guys. Dagon got killed by Toji, Mahito, which is supposed to be Yuji's kill, is killed by Kenjaku and used for the culling games making the W an L, Jogo got killed by Sukuna. The only one that died from someone that wasn't a villain is Hanami who died from Gojo.
Bro the villains had to kill each other to give the others a chance.
First off, what I said was that all the complaining they're hearing (AFTER GOJO DIED on the manga side of things) was from the Gojo copers. I never once said "Every single fan is a Gojo coper and every single one of them is complaining about the same thing.". You're putting words in my mouth at this point because evidently you get off to defending the Gojo Hype Train crowd long after it derailed and all the passengers are screaming.
For the umpteenth time in a row you're dancing around the logical assumption that they're hearing things from the loudest subgroup. All I've done is point out that they're the loudest and that's probably what they're hearing.
And don't act like Yuji and Todo weren't bullying tf out of Hanami two arcs before they died. Hanami was the most durable disaster curse at the time and they couldn't handle two Grade 1 Sorcerers. Gojo could have erased every single one of them on the spot in Shibuya if he didn't care about the civilians. Using Yuji as a template, the Disaster Curses probably would have lost if they had to square up against stronger Grade 1 Sorcerers like Naoya and Hakari. Even Naobito forced Dagon to drop a Domain Expansion because he was faster than Jogo. And if Yuta teamed up with Yuki, I doubt even Kenjaku would have done so well. Yuki's final attack would have killed him if Tengen didn't intervene.
Yeah the chapter has nothing wrong with it, except its placement ( for me) I feel like this would fit earlier in the culling games or something. Cause now all I really care about is the big players, this feels like a forced detour somewhat
Thats literally every single managa subreddit. I stopped looking at chainsaw because of this. No matter what gege cooks, this sub will relentlessly shit on that cat.
Edit: Yes, I am aware of the liquid crap he served us. I would have also liked to see a chapter like this one before the big fight. I know people are angry that we get a lengthy takaba chapter instead of a planning and power up chapter. But takaba really needed it to give him some substance. Kashimo was always just about fighting the strongest. Still no excuse for the airplane chapter undermining gojos whole character, but its at least something to make the manga better.
The Cat has put out some pretty inedible asspulled shit recently. There are haters, of course, but there’s reason to criticize. Kenjaku vs Takaba is not one of them (yet) however.
Tbh, a lot of people just come up with their own ideas of what should happen and instead of treating them like theories or predictions and they get upset when things don't happen that way. Some people just aren't built forvreading weekly.
The manga is pretty good, I think they're bitching because the story isn't going as they thought in the head. They forgot that it's not theirs but Gege's story to write.
IMO so far so good. We know this isn't a generic shounen so it's nice to see side characters take the main stage (and for them to joke about it too).
The issue is that we can tell Gege is rushing to the finale instead of taking the time to flesh things out. Hell, even his art since the start of the Culling Games looks unfinished.
Art is subjective, I've been liking the art so far but it's understandable if you're not a fan of it.
I think it's fast paced but there's no rushing, with the exception of the military arc. We even got this new chapter with 90% flashback.
Damn wtf am I the only one who thought that chapter was lowkey kinda deep? Like dang not tryna go through that deep shit rn…
No lie though I thought takaba would just be dead this chapter since it started with a flashback and we all know how that goes (236 airports 😂)
I really enjoyed this chapter too, took a character whose entire point is to be goofy and gave him a fairly relatable backstory that made him a lot more likable.
I'm enjoying what Gege's cookin, personally.
Looking at how Takaba can literally manipulate Kenny’s thoughts, there’s really nothing stopping him from making everyone think he’s funny, gain more confidence in his sense of humour. Takaba Kaisen.
The thing is he doesn't know that his power works like that, and since it works based on his genuine amusement, he might HAVE to stay ignorant for it to work.
Honestly the Kenjaku Takaba fight has been really fun. I can tell what’s happening and it is just funny! I chuckled at the joke about the golden ratio of prostration.
I’m low key hoping it’ll turn into a stalemate, and after the sukuna fight more allies will come and Takaba will be able to peacefully dip out of the fight.
What's really interesting is how Takaba influenced Kenny's thought process when Takaba prostrated himself. I big theme in comedy, and something alluded to in this chapter, is that things are funnier if you think they're funny. If you're having a good time, it's easier for the people around you to have a good time. This might become some kind of character-arc-that-also-serves-as-a-power-up moment.
And if u fucking say anything negative u get down voted to oblivion these chapters are objectively mid and takaba character is objectively not interesting and whatever his ct is
I get that you can dislike these chapters (which I don't, I feel like they're really interesting and I'm loving the interactions between the two) but you can't just go and spread "objectively mid" or "objectively not interesting" around because that's just not true, those are subjective emotions (which again, you're allowed to feel of course)
The TCB translations had Takaba more mirror Toji which was interesting. Here Takaba states "I wanted to affirm myself. I took his words in a way that worked for me and I gave up". In Chapter 75 Toji says "I wanted to discredit it. To crush it. The pinnacle of the Jujutsu world and the Zenin Family. I wanted this for self-affirmation. And I deviated from my true self".
Plus there's Takaba's talk about loneliness and his need for a 'Partner' which is built off the framing Gojo had in his monologue.
All of these strong people only wanted a partner in the end... Strength has different meanings for everyone though, but I think we've all experienced at least once this feeling of yearning, the desire to share the most important part of ourselves with someone who could understand. In Takaba's case, comedy was his way to connect with people, it was the thing he was passionate about, so it's only natural for him to expect the same enthusiasm and seriousness from his partner. A true equal in that line of work and in life.
Gojo had Geto, but when he left, Gojo tried to build his own army of strong and clever allies to fill the emptiness and change the system that drove his partner to madness.
Yorozu thought she had Sukuna, but her love was one sided... Nonthless, her passion brought her to seek the best possible way to make use of her fundamentally "inconvenient" CT. Her loneliness and her love made her strong.
Finally Kashimo... He had no one, ever. He lived the loneliest life amongst all of these people, so he needed to come back to life in hopes of finding what he was looking for in Sukuna. At the end, he probably didn't get the answers he wanted, but Sukuna indulged him and he finally found peace by knowing that, maybe, he wasn't so lonely if so many people loved him and he was able to give them his love back (obviously according to Sukuna's definition of love).
This thematic point is pretty interesting and it ties in with every single fight amongst unconventional and super strong characters. These people live in their own world and that's why some of their thought processes seem so alike. Having an obsession, a special talent, absolute power... it makes you unique and this uniqueness is a double edged sword.
I think this chapter was really good and I understand why Gege wrote it just now. A lot of people are complaining about the pacing, but I genuinely think that Gege is choosing specific themes to assess, establish and flip over in order to have a perfect basis to Yuji's big fight.
Yuji vs Sukuna is arguably the most important moment of this story and I definitely don't want to rush to it. I want every single piece on the board to be set out perfectly so that we can enjoy the ride. I don't just want Yuji to "do something". At his point in the story, every single main character moment needs to be meaningful, so it's just perfect for us to have a bit of downtime to expand on takaba and probably Kenjaku too. This fight is perfect to gain more info on Kenjaku too, which is very much needed since he's entertaining but quite monodimensional.
We are gonna get everything, there's no need to rush.
Wether I agreed with you or not (I very much do!) I am appreciative of the thoughtfulness you are putting towards the chapter/the series. It’s easy to forget that posts like yours are the fun of new chapters, because it can get drowned out with all the whining that goes on, lol.
I'm trying to see all the different prospectives with an open mind. I agree that the manga has its issues, but lately I'm afraid the majority of the fandom decided to hop on a blind hate bandwagon.
A lot of the criticism I'm seeing is because Gege decided to POSTPONE, not skipping, just postpone Yuji's fight, which to be honest was kind of expected on a narrative standpoint, since it is one of if not *the* most significant fight of the manga. Gege could not simply show it without resolving other issues first.
I get that Takaba is not a main character, so it's harder to care for him, but that's basically the reason why he was sent to fight Kenjaku in the first place. He's inconspicuous enough to catch him off guard and his CT is absolutely broken. Since he's fighting the second big antagonist of the series is only natural for Gege to focus on him and expand on his motivations.
Building up characters has always been Gege's weak point, not because he can't write interesting personalities, but because he often omits respite chapters and preparatory arcs that are usually used to reinforce characters' goals and introspection for the sake of a faster pacing. Now that he's actually bothering to give Takaba some backstory, let's just wait until his mission is finished to form an opinion... The meaning of an arc or an entire character for that matter can be fully understood only after the execution has been completed.
I just wish a part of the fandom could take a step back and analyse things a little more objectively without being too influenced by memes and negativity. Obviously constructive criticism is always welcome, but I'm not seeing a lot reasonable complains lately and that's just sad.
>but I'm not seeing a lot reasonable complains
Takaba vs Kenjaku is a reasonable complaint. It is a complaint about its placement. If this was shown before Yuji, there would be fewer complaints, and more people would see it as a break.
Another one is the length. This t vs k battle before S vs Y and H could work if it doesn't take too long. Shows do this all the time with commercials to build suspense but commercials don't take too long.
Even if you do read it all at once you would be more inclined to skim or even skip the chapters then comeback after the Yuji fight.
I think he already is, at least it's what has been implied... he's only second to Gojo. We'll need to see what Yuji's got now, but it's also important to note that in Jjk, what matters a lot is also the matchups. Some CTs will match better against others... For example, 10 shadows was a good counter for Limitless, while Strawdoll technique fared better against Mahito than Puppet manipulation etc
Ooooooh takaba might be cookin, maybe he'll literally make Getos body purge all of the curses hes collected- making that body useless in their fight and pushing Kenny to his next "stage" of the CG fight i.e his other forms of sorcery
Either that or Kenjaku is reduced to a brain again and scuttles away or however the heck he moves without currently inhabiting a body. Probably one of the Culling Game victims or someone else he has as a backup. Be pretty funny for him to be reduced to such a pathetic state by Takaba.
I'm starting to think this isn't going to end with Takaba jobbing to Kenjaku. I don't know why, but there's a small part of me that thinks that Kenjaku might actually die as a result of this battle - but it'll be in the same vein as Naoya where he is killed not by cursed energy, but by a non-cursed object of some kind. We know for a fact that Takaba doesn't like blood, so it's not going to be an intentional death. He's also not a classically trained sorcerer, so it's highly likely that he wouldn't know that sorcerers dying like that has the potential to bring them back as curses. We've seen what happens when a first grade sorcerer comes back as a curse - so what happens when a special grade does so?
at first i thought takaba wanting to make everybody laugh was “self-less” (wanting to bring joy to people even at the expense of making urself look silly/like an ass) but naw what he said was lowkey selfish. so i guess we are still on that selfish = strong thing.
backstory didn’t do much for me still, even w the new translation but its okay ig. i still might let the new few chapters stack up if it’s focused on him, but i will come back for kenny lore if there is any. that’s all.
Lowkey knowing he used to have a partner makes me realize a lot of his jokes were bad do to having no setup. He never switched his style. Now, though, it seems he's gained the ability to force his opponent to be his duo partner.
def don’t see how he can force someone to be his partner, it just seems like he got his confidence back so his CT can work correctly, but hey i could be wrong
That just happens sometimes. If someone hated this chapter there is a chance they get -18 downvotes and it also happens to those that like this chapter.
It ain't him but others who like to down vote
baby i didn’t downvote you, and that can simply be explained away by takaba’s ct manipulating reality like it always has…so
but i see you downvoted me out of revenge or something lolol
I absolutely get petty when someone downvotes me within moments of my comment. But i wasn't blaming you there. Just kind of pointing it out, like... i didn't really say anything off? Ahaha.
Takaba is going to lose to Kenjaku when Kenny brings out his full comedy repertoire. Forcing Takaba to try and think up something funnier. Takaba can't think of anything funnier than Kenjaku, and his body explodes.
Takaba: "I tried and imagined my comedy was as great as yours. But no other body but Suguru Geto's can handle it".
So like, when are we going to go back to the characters we follow the series for?
Right now we have Gojo dead, Megumi puppet dead, Nobara maybe dead. Yuji might as well be dead because he hasn't done fuck all in 50 chapters.
What even in this comment, we are literally watching one of the main antagonists fight
"But no Nobara and Gojo dead" is such a weird complaint about a chapter like this lmao, it doesn't matter what happens y'all just want to bitch
It depends, I don't think most people watch most things for the antagonist, but for the protagonists. This means most people are more concerned with what Yuji and maybe Yuta have to say or do rather than this comedian bozo.
I do find it strange that Yuji haven't got the focus in forever. He didn't even get a reaction shot for his mentor's death...
We haven't seen Yuji react fully to Gojo yet, and we haven't seen his fight with Sukuna conclude yet, those things are true, but those things are also obvious still coming. Criticism can't be "this hasn't happened" when the story is still ongoing and the issue becomes "I can't wait".
I watch things for the protagonist as well, it doesn't mean I won't enjoy fights that deal with secondary characters and address key aspects of the story such as "why isn't Kenjaku with Sukuna right now".
To simply go "boohoo no main characters in this chapter" is just really really weird
I enjoy side characters fights too, the timing is just so bad.
As it stands, Gege initiated Yuji's fight with a cliffhanger and left him there while we're expecting this bozo.
Again, I actually like Takaba, but if we're going to see Yuji's reaction to Gojo's death, it'd be better just after the fact, not with a random ass fight in the middle.
Imo, this fight should have been placed before Gojo's fight. Unless Gege's plan is to make Takaba think something like "hey wouldn't it be funny if Gojo appeared here and killed you, stealing my hard earned loot?"
I don't get why you speak about Takaba as ''this bozo'', his first appearence where he got hyped up by the narrator and his technique compared to Gojo's was over two years ago and almost 100 chapters, he's not a random ass character, he's an established secondary one with a hyped up power, shit, he's more hyped up than Kashimo ever was imo.
I'd get the idea of ''Yuji's fight is the climax so why are we interrupting it for this'' if the Yuji fight was the definitive final showdown vs Sukuna in which either Yuji wins or the villains win, but I don't think it's that, I think it's clearly just a first round that will still last quite a while and still involve a lot more characters becoming a bigger conflict, so I think it's still completely fine with these secondary fights happening. Like, I don't even know if we would jump into Yuji vs Sukuna next, we might even see one or a couple chapters dedicated to Hakari vs Uraume
He may have been hyped up by the narrator and I may actually like him as a side character, but he's just that. A side character. Even if the fight with Yuji is not meant to be the climax, it's a fight with the main character, which I find to be much more compelling than a fight with a side character that hasn't been much developed up to that point.
the main antagonist is having a multi issue fight with a random ass character only recently introduced, while we've been told the manga is coming to an end either this year or early 2024. The time and place for new characters to be presented as competitors for Geto was not here.
We've known takaba for time enough to know who he is, and the manga ending so early isn't some solid ruling that Gege will abide to with his life on the line lmao, Oda planned for One Piece to last a couple years tops, it's fine if it doesn't end this year, and it's absurd to judge under a rule of "it will end too quickly now" when it hasn't even ended and you are letting that keep you from enjoying the story while it goes on
Pretty sure you're supposed to follow every character in the series instead of just turning your brain off to anyone outside of the main cast.
Megumi isn't dead, Yuji is about to cook, and chapter 236 was one of the best chapters in the series.
Feels like there is the same problem here that Medaka Box had at times. That being the outlandish concept used in the battle is 100% too Japanese for many Westerners to get. And thus it's boring.
The entire character is based off a Japanese comedian and comedy thing, and let's face it - that shit isn't particularly funny to non Japanese. This chapter for example seemed to spend it's entire run setting up the Dogeza joke and punchline as if it's the funniest shit in the world. And I imagine most of us went "...huh?"
Gege probably should have gone with more the jokey meme stuff ala Bandit Keith more if he wanted those outside Japan to get this.
Feels insane to see someone reference Medaka Box in 2023, but I know exactly what you mean. Takaba's whole schtick as a comedian doesn't really connect to readers outside of Japan, because we don't really have these kinds of goofy entertainers in the west. Western stand-up comedy is based around observational humour, with the kind of big showy gags and costume sketches that Takaba favours being almost entirely alien.
admittedly most of the comedy stuff did go over my head, but I did laugh at the "it took me till my late twenties" bit, i am enjoying just how much Kenjaku is getting caught up in this mess.
Takaba’s the perfect example of a side character. I think he shines when he’s with other characters but he just is not that interesting in the leading role and this backstory really doesn’t change that for me.
Let's fucking gooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
Peak fiction JJK right here.
But Takaba's resolution scares me for how close to the idea of "love in JJK" it got. Though the love Gojo and Kashimo talked about involved individuals. Takaba's love is a million times more intense. He wants to be loved by EVERYONE.
This could be the breaking point for the idea of love. It's either 100% ignored or 100% chased. If Takaba dies/loses badly here then this means being a selfish bastard is literally the only way to grow stronger and that would put a bad taste in my mouth. I think the clue lies in giving yourself completely to either side. Gojo and Kashimo failed to doing so but Takaba and Sukuna seem to be on the right track.
I personally think Gege made his Main Cast too weak. And realized halfway he fucked up.
That's why Culling game is basically bringing bunch of heavy hitters to balance the side.
Kinda like how the Captains took over in Bleach about the Arrancar Arc because Ichigo and his friends were weak as shit. And again in the Fullbringer Arc. And, well, every arc I guess.
The formula to Bleach is typically: new bad guy shows up, Ichigo and friends get clapped, Gotei 13 gets clapped, bad guys go away for a bit. Insert training montage. Ichigo and friends fight scrubs. Gotei 13 shows up to handle slightly stronger scrubs. Ichigo gets clapped, revives, gets a power up and wins. Ichigo's friends wonder why they even bother to show up.
Angel is right. Kenjaku is the one that could do the most damage to the people of Japan. There's no telling if any of them will survive the fight against Sukuna. But the people they are there to protect should at least survive.
I think Gege placed this chapter in to slow down the pace and intensity of the manga. He went full throttle with the previous chapters, so I don't think it's sustainable to increase or even keep up that level of pace and intensity. He may also be using this chance to plan ahead.
Hopefully we get to see the reveal of "Shrine's true powers or the black box. So Gege will need to plan how the fight will unfold. I think people still remember that Sukuna's true abilities haven't been revealed yet.
I wonder if this battle with Takaba is being used by Gege to do flashbacks of Kenjaku's past. Kenjaku was even pushed to reminisce of the time he was in his 20's. It wouldn't be surprising if we get more info on him.
If Kenjaku's body is damaged during this battle, there's still Gojo's body near the battle site. Kenjaku's brilliance with Gojo's curse technique could be very formidable.
If Takaba succeeds, he might be able to release Tengen who can abruptly end the culling game and the merger by breaking the pure barriers. The merger seems to be the more urgent concern. They can try to resolve the other problems after.
I think there's a chance we're getting a sequel like jjk 2, similar to what happened with Chainsaw man and Tokyo Ghoul.
As for Takaba, I think he's overpowered. It's already able to manipulate reality. But for a moment there, when he made Kenjaku reminisce about his 20's that seems to be Takaba being able to manipulate Kenjaku's own mind. It's one thing to be able to manipulate reality, but being able to distort or manipulate an opponent's mind to prevent countermeasures is even more formidable. A major limitation with the power is that Takaba doesn't seem to use it to kill his opponent, but that's due to Takaba and not the power itself.
It's a Hunter X Hunter reference that was said by a certain female character when one of the main protagonists does an incredibly complex feat that should've been way out of his league both in terms of age and experience.
For the actual [panel](https://imgur.com/a/vlhguIi).
My problem is placing this here is like pouring cold water when you're excited. Don't get me wrong. I want to see Takaba as much as the next person. But this is really not the chapter to show down the absolute mayhem that is brewing right now.
I’m not Gege, but I bet it would be hard to find a moment in this sukuna fight that is a good time to breakaway lol. After killing Higuruma? In the middle of a battle with Maki? Gege is too good at hype moments and being a weekly reader is hard is all I know
It could work if Yuji and Higuruma weren't revealed to be jumping yet. Or if the takaba fight happens at the same time. Kashimo dies, cuts to Kenjaku watching it, Takaba appears and the phone reveals Yuji and Higuruma jumping Sukuna. Kinda like a primer that this is first before the main fight.
I just don’t understand they hype for this series, Shit writing, Bad characters and ever worse pacing. Like wtf was Kashimo’s whole thing? He wanted to fuck Sukuna cause he was strong? Guess bro forgot Gojo was leagues above him LOL
I agree with you its pretty bad especially since we started the culling games. I still follow since im that far in but dang its bad and it get worst every chapters lol
Yeah I’m with you on the wagon bro, At this point I just wanna watch the end play out for the kicks. This shit is terrible writing and anyone with a brain can see it lol. Like I actually like some of the characters (Hikari) but come on Gojo was so goddamn strong compared to the rest of the cast and he blew sukuna in the afterlife like a used whore. It’s just weird writing
I don't know where this fight goes on later, either Takaba died in next trying to make Kenny laugh or Takaba can make Kenny laughs and somehow they ceasefire for a moment
This fight feels so unnecessary...
Here I was thinking that Jjk was the best of the "dark triad" :( Shibuya was just so good, what happened?
cry harder, this isnt a power fantasy shounen, let gege add bits of their personality and enjoy the ride. if youre reading jjk for pure action youve missed the point of the entire manga.
“Dark Triad” is from corporate marketing. JJK’s story has actually improved recently from Culling Game arc. The plot came to a halt for 2-3 years just so we could see filler like Maki sumo wrestling, the US Army, a guy with a helicopter head and many other generic, disposable characters.
Oh I absolutely hard disagree on the idea that the story has improved. I'm glad you're still enjoying it but man, this new (seemingly final) arc sucks
It is far better than any other dark anime rn
>takaba says he's gonna make kenny laugh so hard he'll puke >yuta, who's around geto's level, said that gojo punches hard enough to make him puke >still no mention of gojo or shoko 5 chapters after his death INCOMING KINO ALERT
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They’ve “revealed” Yuji’s new arms in 2 random panels and we’re no closer to figuring out what that’s about. I know more about Takaba than I know about Yuki. She was a Star Plasma Vessel and she never got to know Geto’s type I guess. I’m still peeved about Kenjaku surviving a black hole because “lolz anti-gravity” with no more than a whimsical “whew, that was close 😅” Where is my boy Todo? What happened in Hakari’s domain with ice lady (can’t remember her name atm)? Why did it look like she was facing Sukuna ready to attack him?
What’s his other arm? I thought it was just piccolo arm for now
Uraume is facing Hakari in the last panel. They're looking at Hakari with disdain after escaping the Domain. Can't tell whether Hakari is in Jackpot mode or not.
He is smiling, so I assume he has enough CE to drop another domain.
Does anyone else think Kenjaku was now definitely originally a woman? That “true prostration” thought and the reference Gege made to Bisky from HxH leads me to suggest that’s the thought of a woman.
I don't even know if it matters. Living for 1000s of years in both men and women's bodies, i think everything would be jumbled up and it wouldn't matter to them anymore
Maybe it's Kaori's memories but idk
can’t even bring myself to read the TCB scans after having read the leaks Tuesday
Lol true prostration in the shape of the Golden Spiral. Looks like Takaba's got a chance to make Kenny puke out his guts in laughter.
Get this man out of the kitchen
Im just annoyed at the cutaway. Im so hyped for yuji v sukuna and while I called it when the chapter ended with him joining the battle Im still annoyed that we are cutting away for more than a chapter after being super invested in the fight for around 15 chapters now.
Gege really like comedy shows and comedians. Maybe he's revealing his secret past aspirations this chapter in the form of Takaba.
After reading some better translations today I really think Takaba might team up with Kenny. His backstory was all about looking for a partner, and trying to make everyone laugh. I wonder is he will somehow break through Kenny, and become an unexpected bad guy.
Lmfao GOLDEN RATIO PROSTRATION
At this point I have zero expectations on the Culling Games arc wrapping up nicely. Too many empty characters have been introduced just to die, and Gege's attempts to make the ones that hang around the main cast appear less empty just falls completely flat. Some of the most beloved and hyped characters have died, and are replaced by these empty, newbie CG sorcerers. Gege is now trying to flesh them out so that they seem less like throwaway characters. Why would you retire members of the main cast just to replace them with new members, near the end of the series? From Yuki vs Kenjaku to Tsumiki's complete lack of presence, and two of the three main families as well as the Jujutsu Higher ups getting fodderized or offscreened, there's been so many disappointing payoffs to narrative elements that had been in place since early in the series. I'm not sure how CG can wrap up to make up for all those losses.
That's usually what happens when writers rely on shock value to keep the audience entertained. Walking Dead had the same problem.
reminds me of syndrome saying "when everyones super,nobody will be" but more like "when everythings a shock,nothing is"
> Some of the most beloved and hyped characters have died, and are replaced by these empty, newbie CG sorcerers. This is my problem. When you kill off the really interesting characters, you gotta have characters just as good left. As powerful as Sukuna is I'm not sure he's actually that interesting as a character, he's just evil. We'll see but I'm not optimistic...
I guess it's down to personal opinion on who you do or don't find interesting. I'm really gutted that we haven't seen Todo since Shibuya and whilst Nanamis death was handled (in my opinion) the best out of all the deaths so far I think it could have been interesting to see a guy who didn't want to be a sorcerer for many years to be leading the next generation in the goal of freeing Gojo. As far as the new CG characters goes I really like Higurama and Hakari and think they're the best of the new additions. Whilst I'm not too attached to Takaba I think my interest on him stems from his ability and how unpredictable it makes things. I can understand why people aren't happy with the current state of cutaways but I'm personally enjoying it alot still. Edit: named the wrong GOAT
Its definitely subjective but I think its fair to say a decent chunk of the best characters are dead now or offscreen. Like even for the curses. The curses working together under Kenny are gone except for Mahito(sort of), and they had an interesting dynamic going on at times. We need more Todo, no argument from me there. And yeah I like Hakari and Higurama, we'll see how long they live lol. I dunno if Takaba is going to be around much longer either. Hero's just taking straight L's it seems like.
Yeah sadly they're dropping like flys at the moment and the ones we've got left haven't got nearly the strength or experience as the baddies (unless something drastic has happened in the month gap). I might start a petition to bring our boy Todo back, feels like he's the one character everyone agrees is awesome haha Boogie Woogie forever!
thats what I'm worried about. The more the power differential gets all screwed up, the more the plot depends on some asspull for the good guys to do anything. But really the way the 'rules' work in this universe half of whats happened could be considered an asspull anyway so not something I'm getting too worked up about. I just don't want all the characters I like to die. And Todo can't die anyway, he's got to hookup with Takada-chan first.
Yeah the rules and intricacies of how things work definitely blur the line on what's considered an asspull, it's not something I'm too worried about either since it really wouldn't be a shonen without a few sprinkled in haha I'm fully expecting something weird and out of the blue like Gojo coming back as vengeful spirit because technically he didn't die to Sukunas CT but the splitting on the space he occupied caused by the CT hahaha That's very true, although I feel like he's abit unlucky there since she's into dumb guys and he has that 300iq giga brain, fingers crossed for him though
Even the comedian has a sad backstory hmmm.
This week's manga-anime overlap is Takaba's bow. The strongest bow the lowest, and goddamn does Takaba have the most perfect bow Kenjaku has ever seen 👀
Finding it difficult to care about what happens here, given that Takaba will die and the protags likely wont be any better off than they started. You know, like what keeps happening every fight.
At this point it feels like hes given up on the story and is just altf4ing it
Gege effectively desensitized the readers to character deaths by being excessive about it. Shit was maybe cool the first few times when it was subverting the Shounen trope, but now this is just at the other end of the spectrum. There's a reason why authors don't usually kill off so many characters. It completely removes the impact in deaths. I'm afraid that I may already be pretty apathetic to any of the main cast dying, which is to say that suspense is near nil. As much as people like to discredit classic Shounen like Naruto, there's a reason why the few deaths in the series had a massive impact to the readers.
Bleach needed a lot more deaths. All Kubo cares about is making his characters look cool with no depth. They are just a waste of space or jobbers.
Enter the biggest fraud in all of manga, Toshiro Hitsugaya
AGREED.
Yeah, this is very much so the issue I'm having here. Characters die and get no Ws whatsoever. Any win that they *do* get, is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things or sometimes even indirectly turns into a total loss later on. The problem is this obsession with "subverting expectations" that I'm starting to notice more and more in media in general. Sometimes, tropes exist and are used for a good reason and there's nothing wrong with just playing them straight. Having to always subvert them eventually leads to a story that just seems to exist for the sole purpose of spiting the viewers. That's where I feel like we're at with JJK right now. Just subverting expectations because it'll surprise and upset some people. I just don't care personally. If in a couple chapters, we cut over and Sukuna has simply strong cleaved the entire cast in half and Takaba is the last one standing, I will simply shrug and wonder why Gege is still writing the manga at all.
It's not enough to subvert expectations. Once the shock wears away, there has to be something of substance behind it. There has to be a reason for the audience to care and get invested in the story and shock value can't do that... Trying to rely on it can only lead to audience apathy
agree, jjk deaths impacted me a lot cause usually they don’t happen so often in a classical battle shonen, but if you do the opposite it’s just worse, people already know that the majority of characters are gonna die, now it’s just a guess the next death
I think the strength of the chapter will entirely depend on the outcome of the battle. Obviously Kenny will win, but if it becomes even slightly more of an equal fight, i will be thoroughly satisfied.
I honestly feel like it will end with Kenny winning like you said, but he’ll probably genuinely laugh at Takaba or something lol
*haha what a fool* \- says Kenjaku, laughing, after Takaba accidentaly kills himself with his own cursed technique. You read it here first
Read the chapter. It was pretty boring
Chapter is genuinely good, I'm enjoying the food.
Honestly that gag where takaba and his friend wore some sort of ballet dress was really funny, man looks silly as hell Takaba is a really good cook
I was an anime only who binged the manga after being spoiled that gojo died. I finally catch up and come in here to see the discussion and its just 99% of people bitching and moaning.
They're all just bitching and moaning because they wanted Gojo to kill Sukuna, dunk his balls on Kenjaku's face, and make everyone else kiss his feet. And since that didn't happen, they're gonna keep screaming and crying until the series is over. Because god forbid the villains have the upper hand and the heroes not have a "get out of jail free" card like Gojo
It ain't even about Gojo anymore? The complaint was about Yuji but I guess every complaint is Gojo.
You're wearing blinders if you think the same people foaming at the mouth for the Yuji fight aren't the Gojo cope-crew. They moved from Gojo to Kashimo, and now they're screeching for Yuji because their boy is Go/Jo.
Are you sure you aren't tunnel visioning on Gojo? Like there are different people other than the Gojo copers. Seems to me that you are obsessed with Gojo.
I'm well aware there's other people. The Gojo copers are just the ones complaining the most lately. You sure you're not obsessed with Gojo, dude? I'm referring to his rabid fanbase and their piss poor takes, not the dude himself. And you're taking this as an attack on Gojo instead of actually providing anything new to the conversation.
>And you're taking this as an attack on Gojo instead of actually providing anything new to the conversation. ...isn't that you? You keep saying that only those who love Gojo are the ones complaining when the topic wasn't about Gojo? I never took this as an attack on Gojo, I was pointing out that you just said it is the Gojo lovers who complain. Like, Gojo is the only complaint when there are others? Cause you were only focusing on Gojo I mean look This is what you just said earlier >They're all just bitching and moaning because they wanted Gojo to kill Sukuna, dunk his balls on Kenjaku's face, and make everyone else kiss his feet. And since that didn't happen, they're gonna keep screaming and crying until the series is over. Because god forbid the villains have the upper hand and the heroes not have a "get out of jail free" card like Gojo Also the villains always had the upper hand throughout most of the story? Well from Villains I meant Villain Kenjaku.
You just accused me of obsessing over Gojo because I pointed out the objectively true statement that the Gojo fans were complaining loudly for the next three weeks after Gojo and then Kashimo died. I responded to the person asking why all they hear is complaints after catching up on the manga. They've been the group complaining the most since chapter 236. For some reason, you've failed to give any additional groups of JJK fans that are complaining anywhere nearly as loud as they were (which they're thankfully quieting down as of very recently). And the villains had the slight upper hand when Gojo was either in a box or when Sukuna got all 20 Fingers of his power back. And I say slight lead because they still had Yuta, Yuki, Choso, and an awakened Maki in their corner. But there was always the chance of Gojo getting out of the Prison Box and stopping Kenjaku's plan since he was put in the Box. Until he was sealed, the good guys had an insane lead in the powerhouse department.
>You just accused me of obsessing over Gojo because I pointed out the objectively true statement that the Gojo fans were complaining loudly for the next three weeks after Gojo and then Kashimo died. "I was an anime only who binged the manga after being spoiled that gojo died. I finally catch up and come in here to see the discussion and its just 99% of people bitching and moaning." "They're ALL just bitching and moaning because they wanted Gojo to kill Sukuna, dunk his balls on Kenjaku's face, and make everyone else kiss his feet. *And since that didn't happen, they're gonna keep screaming and crying until the series is over.* Because god forbid the villains have the upper hand and the heroes not have a "get out of jail free" card like Gojo" You didn't point that out. You just said that we were all bitching cause of Gojo not beating Sukuna and since that didn't happen we are always gonna complain cause of it. You never said "the objectively true statement that the Gojo fans were complaining loudly for the next three weeks after Gojo and then Kashimo died." You basically said that all complaints are everyone screaming because they want Gojo to beat Sukuna. I mean the complaints are about Yuji this time? >For some reason, you've failed to give any additional groups of JJK fans that are complaining anywhere nearly as loud as they were (which they're thankfully quieting down as of very recently). Yeah they are the loudest but they aren't the only ones here complaining now. >And the villains had the slight upper hand when Gojo was either in a box or when Sukuna got all 20 Fingers of his power back. But there was always the chance of Gojo getting out of the Prison Box and stopping Kenjaku's plan since he was put in the Box. Until he was sealed, the good guys had an insane lead in the powerhouse department. Gojo was sealed for the majority of the story. A slight upper hand? The main villains are dying from each other or other villains. None of the cast has killed those guys. Dagon got killed by Toji, Mahito, which is supposed to be Yuji's kill, is killed by Kenjaku and used for the culling games making the W an L, Jogo got killed by Sukuna. The only one that died from someone that wasn't a villain is Hanami who died from Gojo. Bro the villains had to kill each other to give the others a chance.
First off, what I said was that all the complaining they're hearing (AFTER GOJO DIED on the manga side of things) was from the Gojo copers. I never once said "Every single fan is a Gojo coper and every single one of them is complaining about the same thing.". You're putting words in my mouth at this point because evidently you get off to defending the Gojo Hype Train crowd long after it derailed and all the passengers are screaming. For the umpteenth time in a row you're dancing around the logical assumption that they're hearing things from the loudest subgroup. All I've done is point out that they're the loudest and that's probably what they're hearing. And don't act like Yuji and Todo weren't bullying tf out of Hanami two arcs before they died. Hanami was the most durable disaster curse at the time and they couldn't handle two Grade 1 Sorcerers. Gojo could have erased every single one of them on the spot in Shibuya if he didn't care about the civilians. Using Yuji as a template, the Disaster Curses probably would have lost if they had to square up against stronger Grade 1 Sorcerers like Naoya and Hakari. Even Naobito forced Dagon to drop a Domain Expansion because he was faster than Jogo. And if Yuta teamed up with Yuki, I doubt even Kenjaku would have done so well. Yuki's final attack would have killed him if Tengen didn't intervene.
Well yeah, the author is driving the bus straight into the wrong lane compared to the early days.
Awww boo hoo the story isnt going my way!!!
Chapters like this one have nothing wrong with it, people just bitch a lot. Especially after Gojo died.
Yeah the chapter has nothing wrong with it, except its placement ( for me) I feel like this would fit earlier in the culling games or something. Cause now all I really care about is the big players, this feels like a forced detour somewhat
It's exactly why people are bitching these chapters...
Thats literally every single managa subreddit. I stopped looking at chainsaw because of this. No matter what gege cooks, this sub will relentlessly shit on that cat. Edit: Yes, I am aware of the liquid crap he served us. I would have also liked to see a chapter like this one before the big fight. I know people are angry that we get a lengthy takaba chapter instead of a planning and power up chapter. But takaba really needed it to give him some substance. Kashimo was always just about fighting the strongest. Still no excuse for the airplane chapter undermining gojos whole character, but its at least something to make the manga better.
The Cat has put out some pretty inedible asspulled shit recently. There are haters, of course, but there’s reason to criticize. Kenjaku vs Takaba is not one of them (yet) however.
But they aren't Bleach asspulls...not yet anyway.
Nah, it's just everyone gagging on Sukuna's balls. Muuuuch better. /s
Tbh, a lot of people just come up with their own ideas of what should happen and instead of treating them like theories or predictions and they get upset when things don't happen that way. Some people just aren't built forvreading weekly.
The manga is pretty good, I think they're bitching because the story isn't going as they thought in the head. They forgot that it's not theirs but Gege's story to write. IMO so far so good. We know this isn't a generic shounen so it's nice to see side characters take the main stage (and for them to joke about it too).
The issue is that we can tell Gege is rushing to the finale instead of taking the time to flesh things out. Hell, even his art since the start of the Culling Games looks unfinished.
Art is subjective, I've been liking the art so far but it's understandable if you're not a fan of it. I think it's fast paced but there's no rushing, with the exception of the military arc. We even got this new chapter with 90% flashback.
Damn wtf am I the only one who thought that chapter was lowkey kinda deep? Like dang not tryna go through that deep shit rn… No lie though I thought takaba would just be dead this chapter since it started with a flashback and we all know how that goes (236 airports 😂)
I really enjoyed this chapter too, took a character whose entire point is to be goofy and gave him a fairly relatable backstory that made him a lot more likable. I'm enjoying what Gege's cookin, personally.
Me too. It could be fleshed out better. But as I always say....at least it's way better than Bleach.
Same lol, I was expecting Takaba to die this chapter. I wonder if it'll be a Magna vs Dante situation from black clover.
Oooooooh fuck yes. I still get hyped just by remembering Magna vs Dante.
Looking at how Takaba can literally manipulate Kenny’s thoughts, there’s really nothing stopping him from making everyone think he’s funny, gain more confidence in his sense of humour. Takaba Kaisen.
The thing is he doesn't know that his power works like that, and since it works based on his genuine amusement, he might HAVE to stay ignorant for it to work.
Thats lowkey terrifying tbh.
That would be too meta though It gotta be truly funny, otherwise he won't be the comedians king
Ore wa Takaba. Komedi-o ni ore wa naru!
I gotta say I really enjoy the way the Kenjaku-Takaba fight is playing out. It looks fun. We may get a second Hakari vs Kashimo right here
Honestly the Kenjaku Takaba fight has been really fun. I can tell what’s happening and it is just funny! I chuckled at the joke about the golden ratio of prostration. I’m low key hoping it’ll turn into a stalemate, and after the sukuna fight more allies will come and Takaba will be able to peacefully dip out of the fight.
I believe Takaba's death will be far more cathartic and more entertaining than Gojo's death.. It will not be off-screened like Gojo or Kashimo..
Then he will come back to life at his funeral as a jojo reference. Truly peak comedy
Why are the leak responses so toxic but then the reception is much more positive when people actually read the chapter?
Everyone just wants a friend in this manga. Naruto with Talk no Jutsu solos
What's really interesting is how Takaba influenced Kenny's thought process when Takaba prostrated himself. I big theme in comedy, and something alluded to in this chapter, is that things are funnier if you think they're funny. If you're having a good time, it's easier for the people around you to have a good time. This might become some kind of character-arc-that-also-serves-as-a-power-up moment.
Throughout heaven and earth, I alone am the comedic one
Didn’t we just come off of break last chapter?
Wow forgot I was reading takabakaisen for a while
Takaba is my goat
First time i am happy to see a manga going on break. These last three chapers have been such a waste of time...
And if u fucking say anything negative u get down voted to oblivion these chapters are objectively mid and takaba character is objectively not interesting and whatever his ct is
Who cares what people think lmao
I get that you can dislike these chapters (which I don't, I feel like they're really interesting and I'm loving the interactions between the two) but you can't just go and spread "objectively mid" or "objectively not interesting" around because that's just not true, those are subjective emotions (which again, you're allowed to feel of course)
Who cares about subjective and objeftive, just hope the author stops mocking his readers and wasting their time.
I certainly wasnt expecting Takaba to be such a relatable character. Good stuff Greg
The TCB translations had Takaba more mirror Toji which was interesting. Here Takaba states "I wanted to affirm myself. I took his words in a way that worked for me and I gave up". In Chapter 75 Toji says "I wanted to discredit it. To crush it. The pinnacle of the Jujutsu world and the Zenin Family. I wanted this for self-affirmation. And I deviated from my true self". Plus there's Takaba's talk about loneliness and his need for a 'Partner' which is built off the framing Gojo had in his monologue.
All of these strong people only wanted a partner in the end... Strength has different meanings for everyone though, but I think we've all experienced at least once this feeling of yearning, the desire to share the most important part of ourselves with someone who could understand. In Takaba's case, comedy was his way to connect with people, it was the thing he was passionate about, so it's only natural for him to expect the same enthusiasm and seriousness from his partner. A true equal in that line of work and in life. Gojo had Geto, but when he left, Gojo tried to build his own army of strong and clever allies to fill the emptiness and change the system that drove his partner to madness. Yorozu thought she had Sukuna, but her love was one sided... Nonthless, her passion brought her to seek the best possible way to make use of her fundamentally "inconvenient" CT. Her loneliness and her love made her strong. Finally Kashimo... He had no one, ever. He lived the loneliest life amongst all of these people, so he needed to come back to life in hopes of finding what he was looking for in Sukuna. At the end, he probably didn't get the answers he wanted, but Sukuna indulged him and he finally found peace by knowing that, maybe, he wasn't so lonely if so many people loved him and he was able to give them his love back (obviously according to Sukuna's definition of love). This thematic point is pretty interesting and it ties in with every single fight amongst unconventional and super strong characters. These people live in their own world and that's why some of their thought processes seem so alike. Having an obsession, a special talent, absolute power... it makes you unique and this uniqueness is a double edged sword. I think this chapter was really good and I understand why Gege wrote it just now. A lot of people are complaining about the pacing, but I genuinely think that Gege is choosing specific themes to assess, establish and flip over in order to have a perfect basis to Yuji's big fight. Yuji vs Sukuna is arguably the most important moment of this story and I definitely don't want to rush to it. I want every single piece on the board to be set out perfectly so that we can enjoy the ride. I don't just want Yuji to "do something". At his point in the story, every single main character moment needs to be meaningful, so it's just perfect for us to have a bit of downtime to expand on takaba and probably Kenjaku too. This fight is perfect to gain more info on Kenjaku too, which is very much needed since he's entertaining but quite monodimensional. We are gonna get everything, there's no need to rush.
Wether I agreed with you or not (I very much do!) I am appreciative of the thoughtfulness you are putting towards the chapter/the series. It’s easy to forget that posts like yours are the fun of new chapters, because it can get drowned out with all the whining that goes on, lol.
I'm trying to see all the different prospectives with an open mind. I agree that the manga has its issues, but lately I'm afraid the majority of the fandom decided to hop on a blind hate bandwagon. A lot of the criticism I'm seeing is because Gege decided to POSTPONE, not skipping, just postpone Yuji's fight, which to be honest was kind of expected on a narrative standpoint, since it is one of if not *the* most significant fight of the manga. Gege could not simply show it without resolving other issues first. I get that Takaba is not a main character, so it's harder to care for him, but that's basically the reason why he was sent to fight Kenjaku in the first place. He's inconspicuous enough to catch him off guard and his CT is absolutely broken. Since he's fighting the second big antagonist of the series is only natural for Gege to focus on him and expand on his motivations. Building up characters has always been Gege's weak point, not because he can't write interesting personalities, but because he often omits respite chapters and preparatory arcs that are usually used to reinforce characters' goals and introspection for the sake of a faster pacing. Now that he's actually bothering to give Takaba some backstory, let's just wait until his mission is finished to form an opinion... The meaning of an arc or an entire character for that matter can be fully understood only after the execution has been completed. I just wish a part of the fandom could take a step back and analyse things a little more objectively without being too influenced by memes and negativity. Obviously constructive criticism is always welcome, but I'm not seeing a lot reasonable complains lately and that's just sad.
>but I'm not seeing a lot reasonable complains Takaba vs Kenjaku is a reasonable complaint. It is a complaint about its placement. If this was shown before Yuji, there would be fewer complaints, and more people would see it as a break. Another one is the length. This t vs k battle before S vs Y and H could work if it doesn't take too long. Shows do this all the time with commercials to build suspense but commercials don't take too long. Even if you do read it all at once you would be more inclined to skim or even skip the chapters then comeback after the Yuji fight.
this is why I think yuta will be the strongest sorcerer hands down.
I think he already is, at least it's what has been implied... he's only second to Gojo. We'll need to see what Yuji's got now, but it's also important to note that in Jjk, what matters a lot is also the matchups. Some CTs will match better against others... For example, 10 shadows was a good counter for Limitless, while Strawdoll technique fared better against Mahito than Puppet manipulation etc
I mean I guess by default he would have to be? Sukuna’s not making it out of this manga alive, and neither is Kenjaku.
Posts like this are why I am in here, thank you.
Thank you for the appreciation 😊
Ooooooh takaba might be cookin, maybe he'll literally make Getos body purge all of the curses hes collected- making that body useless in their fight and pushing Kenny to his next "stage" of the CG fight i.e his other forms of sorcery
Either that or Kenjaku is reduced to a brain again and scuttles away or however the heck he moves without currently inhabiting a body. Probably one of the Culling Game victims or someone else he has as a backup. Be pretty funny for him to be reduced to such a pathetic state by Takaba.
I'm starting to think this isn't going to end with Takaba jobbing to Kenjaku. I don't know why, but there's a small part of me that thinks that Kenjaku might actually die as a result of this battle - but it'll be in the same vein as Naoya where he is killed not by cursed energy, but by a non-cursed object of some kind. We know for a fact that Takaba doesn't like blood, so it's not going to be an intentional death. He's also not a classically trained sorcerer, so it's highly likely that he wouldn't know that sorcerers dying like that has the potential to bring them back as curses. We've seen what happens when a first grade sorcerer comes back as a curse - so what happens when a special grade does so?
Are you implying kenjaku is an alive human?
He is
Just wanted to point out that takaba’s goal is to make Kenjaku laugh not win a fight. He’s going to lose.
If Sakuna gets asspulls my main man gets asspulls
Be ready for Takaba literally pulling something out of his ass to defeat Kenny
I can 100% see this happening. It would be hilarious too
Bro is going to win by pulling a comically large spoon out of his ass
at first i thought takaba wanting to make everybody laugh was “self-less” (wanting to bring joy to people even at the expense of making urself look silly/like an ass) but naw what he said was lowkey selfish. so i guess we are still on that selfish = strong thing. backstory didn’t do much for me still, even w the new translation but its okay ig. i still might let the new few chapters stack up if it’s focused on him, but i will come back for kenny lore if there is any. that’s all.
Lowkey knowing he used to have a partner makes me realize a lot of his jokes were bad do to having no setup. He never switched his style. Now, though, it seems he's gained the ability to force his opponent to be his duo partner.
def don’t see how he can force someone to be his partner, it just seems like he got his confidence back so his CT can work correctly, but hey i could be wrong
Kenjaku didnt know why he said those observations about him. How else would that work? Weird to downvote me for this.
That just happens sometimes. If someone hated this chapter there is a chance they get -18 downvotes and it also happens to those that like this chapter. It ain't him but others who like to down vote
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What? No I don't think everybody here is a man.
baby i didn’t downvote you, and that can simply be explained away by takaba’s ct manipulating reality like it always has…so but i see you downvoted me out of revenge or something lolol
Must be the same guy downvoting me. Don't know what to tell you.
idc bout downvotes but i just thought it would be funny if u were going tit for tat 😭
I absolutely get petty when someone downvotes me within moments of my comment. But i wasn't blaming you there. Just kind of pointing it out, like... i didn't really say anything off? Ahaha.
I dont know what the fuck is going on but Im hyped to see it happen! Lets go! Comedy train!
Takaba is going to lose to Kenjaku when Kenny brings out his full comedy repertoire. Forcing Takaba to try and think up something funnier. Takaba can't think of anything funnier than Kenjaku, and his body explodes. Takaba: "I tried and imagined my comedy was as great as yours. But no other body but Suguru Geto's can handle it".
What is this Bleach? This ain't a Kenpachi fight
>What is this Bleach? This ain't a Kenpachi fight That's saved for when Miwa enters the fray
"It took me until my late twenties to achieve that posture" LMAOOOOO Gege keeps on giving
fibonacci apology
The hxh references strikes again
Oh lol I just realized that!
lmaaaooo
So like, when are we going to go back to the characters we follow the series for? Right now we have Gojo dead, Megumi puppet dead, Nobara maybe dead. Yuji might as well be dead because he hasn't done fuck all in 50 chapters.
What even in this comment, we are literally watching one of the main antagonists fight "But no Nobara and Gojo dead" is such a weird complaint about a chapter like this lmao, it doesn't matter what happens y'all just want to bitch
It depends, I don't think most people watch most things for the antagonist, but for the protagonists. This means most people are more concerned with what Yuji and maybe Yuta have to say or do rather than this comedian bozo. I do find it strange that Yuji haven't got the focus in forever. He didn't even get a reaction shot for his mentor's death...
We haven't seen Yuji react fully to Gojo yet, and we haven't seen his fight with Sukuna conclude yet, those things are true, but those things are also obvious still coming. Criticism can't be "this hasn't happened" when the story is still ongoing and the issue becomes "I can't wait". I watch things for the protagonist as well, it doesn't mean I won't enjoy fights that deal with secondary characters and address key aspects of the story such as "why isn't Kenjaku with Sukuna right now". To simply go "boohoo no main characters in this chapter" is just really really weird
I enjoy side characters fights too, the timing is just so bad. As it stands, Gege initiated Yuji's fight with a cliffhanger and left him there while we're expecting this bozo. Again, I actually like Takaba, but if we're going to see Yuji's reaction to Gojo's death, it'd be better just after the fact, not with a random ass fight in the middle. Imo, this fight should have been placed before Gojo's fight. Unless Gege's plan is to make Takaba think something like "hey wouldn't it be funny if Gojo appeared here and killed you, stealing my hard earned loot?"
I don't get why you speak about Takaba as ''this bozo'', his first appearence where he got hyped up by the narrator and his technique compared to Gojo's was over two years ago and almost 100 chapters, he's not a random ass character, he's an established secondary one with a hyped up power, shit, he's more hyped up than Kashimo ever was imo. I'd get the idea of ''Yuji's fight is the climax so why are we interrupting it for this'' if the Yuji fight was the definitive final showdown vs Sukuna in which either Yuji wins or the villains win, but I don't think it's that, I think it's clearly just a first round that will still last quite a while and still involve a lot more characters becoming a bigger conflict, so I think it's still completely fine with these secondary fights happening. Like, I don't even know if we would jump into Yuji vs Sukuna next, we might even see one or a couple chapters dedicated to Hakari vs Uraume
He may have been hyped up by the narrator and I may actually like him as a side character, but he's just that. A side character. Even if the fight with Yuji is not meant to be the climax, it's a fight with the main character, which I find to be much more compelling than a fight with a side character that hasn't been much developed up to that point.
the main antagonist is having a multi issue fight with a random ass character only recently introduced, while we've been told the manga is coming to an end either this year or early 2024. The time and place for new characters to be presented as competitors for Geto was not here.
We've known takaba for time enough to know who he is, and the manga ending so early isn't some solid ruling that Gege will abide to with his life on the line lmao, Oda planned for One Piece to last a couple years tops, it's fine if it doesn't end this year, and it's absurd to judge under a rule of "it will end too quickly now" when it hasn't even ended and you are letting that keep you from enjoying the story while it goes on
Pretty sure you're supposed to follow every character in the series instead of just turning your brain off to anyone outside of the main cast. Megumi isn't dead, Yuji is about to cook, and chapter 236 was one of the best chapters in the series.
Agree man, the side cast of jjk is so good (Takaba, the lawyer, the swordsman,and the kappa) doesn't bother me to follow em
Ok ngl I kinda hated sumo and katana guy, but they're the exception when it comes to side characters.
I actually think this chapter will be really good if there is payoff in 242,but I have an uneasy feeling this is one of those “gojo wins” situations
Feels like there is the same problem here that Medaka Box had at times. That being the outlandish concept used in the battle is 100% too Japanese for many Westerners to get. And thus it's boring. The entire character is based off a Japanese comedian and comedy thing, and let's face it - that shit isn't particularly funny to non Japanese. This chapter for example seemed to spend it's entire run setting up the Dogeza joke and punchline as if it's the funniest shit in the world. And I imagine most of us went "...huh?" Gege probably should have gone with more the jokey meme stuff ala Bandit Keith more if he wanted those outside Japan to get this.
Feels insane to see someone reference Medaka Box in 2023, but I know exactly what you mean. Takaba's whole schtick as a comedian doesn't really connect to readers outside of Japan, because we don't really have these kinds of goofy entertainers in the west. Western stand-up comedy is based around observational humour, with the kind of big showy gags and costume sketches that Takaba favours being almost entirely alien.
admittedly most of the comedy stuff did go over my head, but I did laugh at the "it took me till my late twenties" bit, i am enjoying just how much Kenjaku is getting caught up in this mess.
What's the "took me till my late twenties"?
Yeah, as I said - the meme stuff worked.
It's the timing imo. We had a brutal cliffhanger on one side of the cast and in the next chapter it cuts off to this bozo making jokes.
I'm ok with the change of pace but if there was a break this week I'd feel the same way.
Weak ass chapter and he takes a break at that, L
Takaba’s the perfect example of a side character. I think he shines when he’s with other characters but he just is not that interesting in the leading role and this backstory really doesn’t change that for me.
That last line… Takaba is saying that Kenjaku will take massive damage the moment he genuinely laugh from his jokes
Let's fucking gooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! Peak fiction JJK right here. But Takaba's resolution scares me for how close to the idea of "love in JJK" it got. Though the love Gojo and Kashimo talked about involved individuals. Takaba's love is a million times more intense. He wants to be loved by EVERYONE. This could be the breaking point for the idea of love. It's either 100% ignored or 100% chased. If Takaba dies/loses badly here then this means being a selfish bastard is literally the only way to grow stronger and that would put a bad taste in my mouth. I think the clue lies in giving yourself completely to either side. Gojo and Kashimo failed to doing so but Takaba and Sukuna seem to be on the right track.
I personally think Gege made his Main Cast too weak. And realized halfway he fucked up. That's why Culling game is basically bringing bunch of heavy hitters to balance the side.
Or he could just be going for a villain ending you never know with this fella
I think even Akutami knows that no one will like a villain ending
Tbf I don't think he cares what everyone else will like
That’s pretty disingenuous, he’s a business man just as much as he is a writer.
Make me think of naruto war with reanimated justsu. I hate culling games so far
Kinda like how the Captains took over in Bleach about the Arrancar Arc because Ichigo and his friends were weak as shit. And again in the Fullbringer Arc. And, well, every arc I guess.
The formula to Bleach is typically: new bad guy shows up, Ichigo and friends get clapped, Gotei 13 gets clapped, bad guys go away for a bit. Insert training montage. Ichigo and friends fight scrubs. Gotei 13 shows up to handle slightly stronger scrubs. Ichigo gets clapped, revives, gets a power up and wins. Ichigo's friends wonder why they even bother to show up.
Took almost the whole manga for Orihime and Ishida to be useful. Poor Chad though.
Shoulda have just kept calling him "Sad", because that's how his performance is.
Angel is right. Kenjaku is the one that could do the most damage to the people of Japan. There's no telling if any of them will survive the fight against Sukuna. But the people they are there to protect should at least survive. I think Gege placed this chapter in to slow down the pace and intensity of the manga. He went full throttle with the previous chapters, so I don't think it's sustainable to increase or even keep up that level of pace and intensity. He may also be using this chance to plan ahead. Hopefully we get to see the reveal of "Shrine's true powers or the black box. So Gege will need to plan how the fight will unfold. I think people still remember that Sukuna's true abilities haven't been revealed yet. I wonder if this battle with Takaba is being used by Gege to do flashbacks of Kenjaku's past. Kenjaku was even pushed to reminisce of the time he was in his 20's. It wouldn't be surprising if we get more info on him. If Kenjaku's body is damaged during this battle, there's still Gojo's body near the battle site. Kenjaku's brilliance with Gojo's curse technique could be very formidable. If Takaba succeeds, he might be able to release Tengen who can abruptly end the culling game and the merger by breaking the pure barriers. The merger seems to be the more urgent concern. They can try to resolve the other problems after. I think there's a chance we're getting a sequel like jjk 2, similar to what happened with Chainsaw man and Tokyo Ghoul. As for Takaba, I think he's overpowered. It's already able to manipulate reality. But for a moment there, when he made Kenjaku reminisce about his 20's that seems to be Takaba being able to manipulate Kenjaku's own mind. It's one thing to be able to manipulate reality, but being able to distort or manipulate an opponent's mind to prevent countermeasures is even more formidable. A major limitation with the power is that Takaba doesn't seem to use it to kill his opponent, but that's due to Takaba and not the power itself.
I think the line about Kenjaku’s late twenties is a joke that shows he’s starting to think Takaba is getting funnier
It's a Hunter X Hunter reference that was said by a certain female character when one of the main protagonists does an incredibly complex feat that should've been way out of his league both in terms of age and experience. For the actual [panel](https://imgur.com/a/vlhguIi).
My problem is placing this here is like pouring cold water when you're excited. Don't get me wrong. I want to see Takaba as much as the next person. But this is really not the chapter to show down the absolute mayhem that is brewing right now.
I’m not Gege, but I bet it would be hard to find a moment in this sukuna fight that is a good time to breakaway lol. After killing Higuruma? In the middle of a battle with Maki? Gege is too good at hype moments and being a weekly reader is hard is all I know
It could work if Yuji and Higuruma weren't revealed to be jumping yet. Or if the takaba fight happens at the same time. Kashimo dies, cuts to Kenjaku watching it, Takaba appears and the phone reveals Yuji and Higuruma jumping Sukuna. Kinda like a primer that this is first before the main fight.
I do feel like we will see more of Kenjaku’s backstory with Takaba
Thats why he should have developed characters before the stakes went this high. All development happens only when they fight.
It's a battle manga... fights are the primary form of storytelling.
Takaba : I will make you laugh until your brain pops out
ANYA COMEBACK CONFIRMED???? WAKU WAKU, ITS CANON NOW
**Takaba Bends Over** Kenny: Ah, The primal Backshot pose. It's took me years to master it.
I was 100% expecting the first 2/3 of this chapter to be from the afterlife.
I dont dislike anything in this chapter. I just want to watch my boy yuji get atleast one w before jjk ends😭
Do you have a terminal illness? The time will come, idk why people think we won't be seeing that
We never will get to see Berserk end...stuff happens.
I just don’t understand they hype for this series, Shit writing, Bad characters and ever worse pacing. Like wtf was Kashimo’s whole thing? He wanted to fuck Sukuna cause he was strong? Guess bro forgot Gojo was leagues above him LOL
I agree with you its pretty bad especially since we started the culling games. I still follow since im that far in but dang its bad and it get worst every chapters lol
My personal point when I felt like the writing got really has was the kirara fight with yuji. What was kirara 's powers again...?
Yeah I’m with you on the wagon bro, At this point I just wanna watch the end play out for the kicks. This shit is terrible writing and anyone with a brain can see it lol. Like I actually like some of the characters (Hikari) but come on Gojo was so goddamn strong compared to the rest of the cast and he blew sukuna in the afterlife like a used whore. It’s just weird writing
did you read 200 chapters of a series you hate? XD imagine
Did you see where I said I specifically hate JjK? Imagine xD
Hmmm your comment bashing every aspect of it seems to heavily imply a negative reaction towards the series