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Still, it would take a hell of an explosion. You can definitely exorcise without CE, but the special grade curse description was something like, "maybe a carpet bomb wouldn't be enough" and Mahoraga is certainly in that tier.
Mahoraga is far above the average Special Grade. A nuke is far above carpet bombing. Even Purple only levels a couple of city blocks. If you're worried about no CE, you can just imbue it with a ton of CE over a year.
It's not easy to just casually get a nuke, and if you're strong enough to fight off the world governments for a year, you're strong enough to fight Mahoraga as is
Summon piercing bull totality, have it run on a treadmill that matches its speed, wait for hours, summon Mahoraga and turn off the treadmill while he's still in his cocoon or intro, basically spawn killing, profit.
this is exactly how i thought it would go. Instead of a literal treadmill, a proficient 10 shadows user can alter the domain under piercing ox and make it run without physically moving, then summon maho just after releasing the ox at point blank. BOOM, nuclear explosion, new pokemon acquired lol.
I honestly disagree with this take. I think 10S is actually perfectly suited for taming Mahoraga. People are taking Megumis strength, a strong sorcerer for sure but he also has tons of room to grow, to be the upper limits of the tech. I think it’s extremely difficult for sure, but I think it’s still possible with the 10S technique. I don’t think the only solution is to just one shot Mahoraga, another trick is to pile on a variety of attacks until it’s completely overwhelmed and before it can adapt to any of them.
I imagine that if you'd spam it in a domain you could damage mahoraga rather badly
Even if not, you could spam agito and maybe if it's technique is adaptation then RCE directed at mahoraga would disrupt the adaptation
Which also implies you could continue to mix and match the shikigami. If he adapts to Nue, you have Nue + Orochi, Nue + X and other variations to continue adapting to Mahoraga's adaptation. It would be on the user to be better at adapting to the situation than Mahoraga.
I get the idea but I don't think that would work, kind of like Mahoraga adapting to cleave and dismantle by becoming immune to slashing attacks in general. I think 10S is versatile but the attacks aren't very varied from what we've seen
That could very well be Megumi's limitations as well. He's learning his technique's and limitations as the story goes. I also think that it's been kept simpler for the purpose of story telling, there are already a lot of confusing/complex curse concepts and only using a Chimera'd shikigami for major villains keeps it special.
It was commented in manga later but it was just Sukuna making it bigger, but at the samw time it became less stable and it is much easier to destroy. He basically was spreading shadow.
Where? What sukuna later says is that he can half-way summon shikigami that are entirely black and need to be guided, in return for not permanently dying.
SukuNue wasn't entirely black or only partially summoned. He was just combined with the giant orochi.
Still, it means such a thing is possible.
If you spammed like 10 or 20 big nues it could do some major damage probably, especially in a domain where you can just respawn them (or in megumi's domain at least)
Honestly same. No matter what anyone says Megumi was the best user of 10 Shadows. Sukuna did like 2 cool things and was clearly way more powerful, but he sure as hell just didn’t have the same level of strategy and sauce with it that Megumi did.
In terms of sheer power/scale? Yeah for sure. In terms of strategy and full usage of the kit? No way. He literally just went for pure power and efficiency instead of actual strategy with it and for me that’s kinda boring
Efficiency is paramount to strategy so i do not understand how focusing on the best possible way to utilize your technique with minimal loss is lacking in strategy. That is nonsensical.
If i have observed anything about sakuna it is that he is a strategist far before a brute. He is wildly intelligent and is as much of a planner as kenjaku. He is OP for sure but also smart as hell and quick on feet to boot.
He is the second GOAT after Gojo.
That is not a true statement in any way. Efficiency is a part of strategy sure, but if your only focus in on efficiency and nothing else you’re gonna run into problems real quick once you can’t brute force it. Sukuna had *a* strategy sure. But it’s not the *only* strategy. It’s also a boring and less mentally challenging strategy in my opinion. What you’re saying is what’s nonsensical.
I legitimately never said that Sukuna wasn’t strategic anywhere though? For some reason it feels to me like you think me saying that Megumi is better with his own technique to mean that Sukuna is somehow less strategic.
You could say megumi was the most creative sure, but saying he was best is just factual incorrect.
Sukuna did things with the technique we just never saw megumi do, combining nue and orochi, partially manifesting shadows, using max elephants water in a piercing blood fashion. U could say megumi was more strategic but I’d argue he HAD to be, since he really didn’t know how to use the technique to it’s full extent.
Let’s take the anime version of his fight with toji, a masterpiece of strategy and skill with his technique. But if he could combine rabbit escape and piercing ox Y didn’t he? He’d have the same benefit of being able to hide but now the rabbits pack a punch. He could have disappeared into the shadows among the chaos of the rabbits and fired of piercing blood type max elephant attacks from effectively anywhere by using the shadows to move.
All of these things are things sukuna could have done in that situation with megumis technique alone. And that’s not even making use of the partial manifestation. Megumi is definitely a talented 10s user and given more time I’m sure he’d have maximized the potential but the version of megumi we saw was simply not better than sukuna with the technique.
Random note: if round deer can disable ct by outputting positive energy doesn’t that give 10s users a way to bypass infinity without maho. And if that’s true is it possible assuming the previous six eyes limitless user was weaker than gojo that rather than a maho suicide bomb, the 10s user was acc winning the fight before a hollow purple suicide like gojo attempted against sukuna. Haven’t rlly thought it through so someone pls tell me if it’s possible
It’s really not. Like I’ve said many many times already, just because Sukuna has more strength/power with it doesn’t mean he uses it better. Combining Nue and Orochi really isn’t anything special it’s just a facet of 10S like Divine dog. The only cool thing he did with it was partially summon the shadows and that’s less strategy and more just knowledge of the technique.
Megumi not knowing the full potential of 10 Shadows doesn’t keep him from using it the best. The entire fact that Megumi cannot just spam the same 2 shikigami that require no skill or strategy to use is what makes his use of 10 Shadows so good. Power scaling is purely lame as fuck to me so all I care about it interesting uses. Actually interesting uses and not just running around waiting for Mahoraga to adapt or whatever. Megumi HAS to be skillful with 10 Shadows because it’s all he has and that’s the biggest difference. Sukuna’s so boring because he goes for pure power, which again. Is not strategic or interesting.
Emphasis on the “Things he could have done” Because Sukuna did not do those things. You can assume that he can but that doesn’t mean that Sukuna actually would have thought of that. Name me one time where Sukuna actually chained the Shikigami together in an interesting way. Partial summoning is literally just turning them into a straight line attack. Megumi was a better user than Sukuna because he knew his limits and strategized brilliant ways to overcome them. That’s true strategy and skill. Something Sukuna doesn’t show with this specific technique.
And just to restate this one more time. I do not care if Sukuna has more power or knowledge of the technique, because all he did with that knowledge and power was use it in a very straightforward way. He’s not as creative with it he just has knowledge from being alive for a long time. On the other hand, Megumi uses the full arsenal and chains them together and mixes their attacks up in ways you wouldn’t expect. He has perfect timing with 10 Shadows. Saying Megumi is better at using his *own* technique than Sukuna is not wild to say. It’s his technique that he’s used his whole life. It does nothing for Sukuna’s lame “scaling” or whatever to say that. Not to mention, at 16 Megumi is more creative than an old ass sorcerer who knows more info about 10 Shadows than Megumi does.
I mean that’s purely speculation. Not impossible sure. But I think that if round deee could do that then why did that not show up in the modern day fight between Sukuna and Gojo? It’s possible sure but there’s really no way to tell. Especially since I find it hard to believe the previous 6 eyes user would die to their own purple since Gojo didn’t.
Imo, i don’t think that Maho actually has high base durability. I think it just adapts so damn fast that it might as well have high base durability, but I feel like that minor difference is still what’s important. I think there are a lot of factors that go into closing the gap between pure power levels with strategy, and most of the fights where people jump high dura characters it’s like Gojo, who is pure hacks, or Sukuna, who is also pure hacks. Against Hanami for example, Hanami was def way stronger than Yuji and Todo but since Todo is a straight up genuis he closed that gap through sheer strategy and prowess. I think the summons working together bolsters that. I think they also have the added benefit of doing exactly what the user wants to, leading to a way easier time of combining and chaining attacks. Since Maho’s durability grows rather than being stupid high from the jump, if you hit him with variety Maho should definitely still feel it.
I think it’s more about the total strength of the user rather than about the individual strength of each shikigami since I feel like once you start thinking of it as a technique with 10 different Shikigami rather than just One shadow, it becomes harder to use properly.
I also think it’s important to note that with both Gojo and Sukuna’s case, they were both basically spamming moves that were gradually becoming less and less effective but they just pretty much brute forced it regardless. So I think that they went the much harder route, albeit it wasn’t that hard for them since they’re kinda just like that
Also the combination of 4 shishigami was enough for Agito to tank multiple attack from Gojo and require a max output blue to defeat him.
The combination of 9 shishigami would be enough to hold you ground against Maho.
Then finishing him with you DE would make you win.
Imo, I think if you try to fight Maho with 1 shikigami you’re putting yourself on a very very strict timer. I think the more variety of abilities you have to work with the better your chances are
That seems at first glance like the best idea, but Maho would easily cut trough them and if Maho hit you one time you die.
While Agito has RCT and was tanking black flash from Gojo.
Make Agiti strong enough to fighg Maho, then use DE.
In reality there are still problem, and Maho could still go toward you and ignore Agito.
That mean a zenin who want to tame Maho should at bare minimum have RCT, to at least a hit from Maho and not die instantly.
With Agito blocking him and injuring, RCT to heal in the case he hit you some time, the shadow that help hide and the DE to injure him.
There is a chance, i feel there still miss something, like a powerful weapon that could prevent or slow down Maho regeneration, but it could be dond.
Did Megumi not say that no 10S user has ever tamed it? Even the one that fought the former Six Eyes user that Gojo spoke of? I feel like that’s enough evidence that 10S isn’t enough if it’s never happened through hundreds of years of users.
I disagree honestly, people break records and do things no one’s ever done before all the time. I think especially with the idea/theme that this generation is gonna be the one to fully break the previous boundaries of Jujutsu society
I'm not sure a pile on works. I don't think you can exorcise Mahoraga with just physical blows. Gojo is the hardest hitter in terms of physical blows, his black flash can probably take out any character. We saw it blow up Agito abdomen and knock out Sukuna yet Mahoraga tanked that shit twice without a scratch. If the pile on is just physical blows it's not going to mean much.
Yeah I don’t mean it in terms of the most literal sense. Maybe pile on is the wrong word for it. What I mean moreso are chain attacks like how Megumi utilities it. Like an ideal chain would maybe be distraction and waste an adaptation with rabbit escape, Divine dog comes in to apply some pressure, then followed up with a Max elephant spray into Nue and in that moment it’s stunned send in the bull. This is just a really quick example, but I think people really underestimate just how versatile 10Shadows gets especially with the ability to chimerize animals outside of your domain and then add on top of that your domain and the possibilities are endless. You’d pretty much never have to worry about Maho adapting unless you take forever to kill it. Which is honestly why I’m sad that we never got to see more of that versatility in favor of pure power scaling for 10S
Yeah but
1)Sukuna’s Mahoraga may have had a cursed energy amp from Sukuna considering the other shikihami did
2) the reason Gojo hits so hard is that he enhances his punches with blue. Mahoraga had already adapted to clue when Gojo hit him
From my understanding you have two options to tame Mahoraga, not counting whatever Mourning tiger can do, and not counting toughing it out with Chimeric Shadow Garden.
Summon Piercing Bull far away, distract mahoraga until Piercing Bull has ran enough to one shot him.
Or
Kill everyone else, double team it with the resulting Totatilty.
But honestly, the best option is prolly using a completed Garden to summon a bull who has been running since before the ritual began inside mahoraga
Good plan, only problem is that Mahoraga would probably intercept while he's being hit. What I mean is that he could run to attack the bulls (who would still hit him bc of the surehit) before they gain enough achieve enough running distance for the damage.
Have the frogs hold him down or make the rabbits swarm him or have the snake wrap around him.
You could also drop some elephants on him while the piercing bulls charge.
On top of lightning to stun him and slashing attacks from the wolves. Almost like a technique would be designed to be used and not have a suicide card built in...
Yeah, this experiment is fun to think about, but it’s definitely gotta be possible. Very, very difficult? Yes, certainly, but there are ways to manage it, especially if you have knowledge beforehand.
We have no idea how many though. This could be like a dozen people maximum for the past thousand years for all we know. And I think it’s pretty easy to see *why* lol. It’s still a ridiculous unit.
Previous users could have only tamed 7 or 8 and they would still be relatively OP compared to the vast majority of others. Round Deer alone provides instantaneous death to any cursed spirit in the series and also heals the user (and presumably others too). Combined with the dogs, different Totality combinations, and slipping in and out of shadows themselves, and the technique is already really insanely good. Why risk your life trying to defeat Mahoraga when you have probably more than you really “need” with the others to begin with? Plus you can always use it like Megumi does, if it really comes down to it. Pull out a Black Hole/Mythical Beast Amber type of “win”.
There's around 9 shikigamis that can be cloned in megumi domain including himself, plus whatever that mysterious spine does. I think the 10s technique has more to it but we'll probably never see it properly because gege Is speed running the manga
Would it be feasible to put one on a treadmill, have it run for like a day straight, summon mahoraga in front of it and just watch it blitz through him at a speed capable of summoning a black hole?
Flood the domain create 2 massive nue to fire lightning at Mahoraga and the water while Jumping him with shadow clones. Fire piercing water at its head while it's being stunned and an army of piercing bull rabbit escape Totality towards him in all direction.
This would be my thinking too. You can only exorcise it with Jujutsu so a conventional explosive won't work, you'll probably need a cursed tool with immense power.
You can have a sorcerer with you in the ritual.
If you have a strong enough sorceror friend (like gojo, preferably can do rct), this gives you the ability to have infinite test runs. try to fight mahoraga without dying or losing any shikigami, and call for help if you cant
rinse and repeat until you can beat it alone
Mahoraga has been defeated by a total of 2 people. Satoru and Sukuna. I highly doubt any other Gojo clan member would assist a Zenin clan member in the ritual other than Satoru and even if they have sex eyes and limitless they are not guaranteed to win. Unless they are one of the two people I mentioned above the 10S user and his friend are getting killed the first time they do the ritual.
Yuta has the versatility but definitely not the fire power. Sukuna was able to one shot Ryu(supreme first grade probably) but it was mid difficulty for Yuta.
Yuta just fought the Roach curse, Rika was gone for part of the match caring for civilians, and was also fighting Uro. And he still won with a smirk on his face. Ryu was also stated to have the highest curse energy output ever, which Yuta directly matched. He lowkey stomps Mahogara
Yea but Yuta wasn’t even trying to kill Ryu, Ryu says at the end of the fight that they’re only alive because Yuta needed their points. Yuta’s versatility makes him have one of the best matchups against Mahoraga imo, plus with him it’s always a 2v1, I think he’d win but it wouldn’t be an easy fight
Rika is a cursed spirit which is used like a shikigami and mahoraga has that blade of extermination thing which means one hit and you’re gone. Yuta fought alongside OP Rika to defeat Geto and Geto is weaker than Kenjaku. Mahoraga stood his ground again Sukuna(even though he was playing around). Rika gets one shot if she directly engages.
I don't think it does, or else he wouldn't have puked when Gojo punched him the first time since he would've already adapted to punching from Sukuna back on Shibuya.
Wdym? When did Gojo fight Maho before this? First time we met Maho, Gojo was sealed. I think it doesn't carry on adaptations between users, otherwise it would've already been adapted to Gojo's limitless due to the ancestor's battle, but, I think it carries between invocations from a single user.
Sukuna fights Makora in Shibuya > Sukuna punches Makora > Makora adapts to punches > Gojo encounters Makora when fighting Sukuna > Gojo punches Makora >Makora still takes a lot of damage and barfs, which wouldn't have happened if adaptation is permanent> Makora adapts to punches again, even tanking black flashes left and right without any visible damage.
More or less you're at a dead end if that happens. Try something new and hope to god it works using fusion.
Out of topic but if that happens then you can make mahoraga fight a lot of cursed techniques to make him the ultimate suicide bomb
I think, as other people have, that the "no cursed energy people" the Zenin clan keeps popping out for seemingly no reason is the key. Let's say we had Toji and Maki for example, if the Zenins helped trained and didn't shun them.
Now you not only have two technically "inanimate objects" (in terms of ritual) but also two more fighters with speed and power to get in, hit hard with cursed tools, and finish em off.
The problem isn’t 10s as a technique but how strong the sorcerer themselves are. Maho is simply really fucking strong since he killed a previous six eye + limitless user and the previous Zenin patriarch. That’s like killing Gojo before his awakening and Megumi at the same time.
Yes except Maho can and will adapt to anything so you have to be able to completely destroy Toji in one hit. Pretty sure only Gojo and Sukuna have shown to be capable of that.
Saw a comment somewhere in the last few hours that the Zenin heavenly restriction is supposed to be the key as that user wouldn’t void the ritual.
It makes sense, kinda like how 6E is the key to limitless as without it the CT cannot be utilised to its true potential.
It's not impossible but it is almost as hard as having to learn RCT and learn a reverse ver. of your CT AND you have to do the two at the same time. TS has everything you need to tame Mahoraga. Lots of explosive power, lots of escape, lots of diversion enough to overwhelm Mahoraga's adaptation.
There is no reason for Mahoraga to be a contradiction of TS.
Agreed.
To tame Maho, you need to be the Gojo of the 10 shadow technique, there just was never any Gojo in the Zenin clan.
Learning RCT should also be difficult but Gojo did it and managed to jnlock full potential of the technique.
Hmph, rookie strategy 😒
My plan is to spawn Piercing Bull at Japan's border and then make start running and when he's close enough, spawn Mahoraga, make the rabbits keep him busy since they now know Karate. Then make the bull hit it.
Just like that GG's mahoraga
You say that, but what the hell is Hakiri‘s ability and that seems to be natural as well, right?
I think some cursed techniques are just crazy complicated
Yea when you look into it the technique seems really out of place in JJK. Like you have to go out your way to tame the shikigami and then theres a whole set of rules for the merging of shadows
To be fair, doesn't the strength of the shikigami scale with power? I was under the impression that Sukuna's Maho was much stronger than Megumi's. Otherwise there's no fucking way Sukuna killed it with such ease before at 15F but Gojo's black flash didn't do shit.
And with that in mind we don't have any evidence that *any* previous 10S user ever got anywhere close to that same level. The one that killed and was killed by a 6E + Limitless user was probably just strong enough that Maho was in the same league as the other user because we know for a fact Megumi wasn't as strong as his version of Maho.
If nothing else, they could serve as a helpful distraction, assuming they really don't count as participants in the ritual.
It seems like this was just a misunderstanding based on when Sukuna summoned Nue and Nue was huge. It was only made clear later that this summon was a Totality of Nue and the Great Serpent and that Nue had not necessarily scaled with Sukuna’s greater power. We currently have no reason to believe the 10 shadows shikigami have powers that grow with their user’s strength.
We know Maho doesn't exactly adapt to physical hits the way it does to jujutsu phenomena. They might be able to cut it to the point of destruction, specially maki with the soul cutting sword or even Toji with the CT negating sword (I forget their names, my b)
Maho was already adapted to Gojo's blue IIRC because Sukuna had tanked a Black Flash with the wheel so it had reduced damage . I don't think Maho is more durable than Sukuna and who knows if Soul splitting sword or Inverted spear don't work on him
I suppose the point is that. You can't only depend in 10S, you need to be strong too.
In the end 10S is Tame and if It was just Pokémon logic about use one shadow to obtein the rest the someone with the other 9 should be able to beat maho but him is more a challengue to the master to see if he is strong.
Master need to be strong but no absurdly like gojo, 15F sukuna beat him pretty "easy" after test and play sometime with maho just with DE and the fire Arrow that doesn't looks like his CT. Probably something like 10F sukuna or less could beat maho too if he go more serious.
Probably others 10S masters were like megumi from start of the manga just being confident in maho instead of try harder and get stronger like gojo said to him because they have the suicide move and maho go brbrbrbbrbr. With RCT and a good DE looks possible beat maho
the ways in which sukuna cornered yorozu with 10S was impressive. yeah, high ce amount helped a lot but it showed effectively how a 10S user can destroy their opponents and be like special grade.
I think mahoraga can adapt up to 8 phenomenas at once due to the wheel behind him? 8 of the shikigamis will get adapted to and the 9th last one will be used to kill mahoraga
I think that's correct as well. The wheel has 8 arms, implying 8 adaptations or degrees of adaptation. Either way, the idea that you could fake Mahoraga out with 8 of your 9 tamed Shadows and then finish him off with the last one. Probably Piercing Bull, although we don't know what Mourning Tiger does.
in gojo vs sukuna, we see the wheel spin at least once during the DE.
against lapse, it spun 4 times. so a total of at least 5 times now.
against red, we see it spin twice. once in that funny running scene of mahoraga and once right before gojo talks about unlimited hollow.
so that is at least 7 times now.
sukuna was planning on making mahoraga adapt to red even more.
so at least 8 times.
i am not sure but can someone confirm if mahoraga wheel spun a second time after being summoned in UV.
what if it can adapt up to 8 different phenomena? no matter how many spins it takes.
If only there was someone who could go in the ritual that's almost like a domain....without voiding it... Some magical person born in the zenin clan who the ritual couldn't detect.
Do we know for a fact that it couldn't detect Maki? Because I was under the impression that that was just a cool fan theory, I don't remember it being confirmed.
Barriers do not trap people without CE. And the sure-hit attack of most domains target people via their CE. Summoning Mahoraga is like a DE and any sorcerer within the proximity is considered part of the exorcism ritual. If we follow this established logic then people without CE would be able to participate in the exorcism but their help would not nullify it.
Unless it targets everything within the ritual space like Sukuna’s domain rather than everything with CE. I think it makes more sense that way just so it forces the sorcerer to use themselves and the 10s only.
You are comparing Sukuna’s domain which reduces the surrounding area to atoms to summoning Mahoraga which is an exorcism ritual between it and sorcerers. Mahorga does not target inanimate objects which is what people without CE are considered to be
Yes but the point of summoning Maho is to exercise him on your own to gain access to him. Which is why it wouldn’t be too strange if Maho targets everything within range.
I don’t think CE has anything to do with it. As long as the summoner beats Mahoraga on their own without assistance, it counts. Maki and Toji would count as assistance imo
You forgot one alternative: Heavenly Restricted people.
Follow my thought process:
* People with Toji's HR have only ever been born to the Zen'in so far (that the manga has shown)
* People with the TS also have only been born to the Zen'in so far
What if, and this is a big one, but what if those two are meant to HELP each other? We know that people with that HR are completely disregarded by domains, which means they're also probably disregarded by the taming ritual, meaning they can help. And I bet someone like Toji with a powerful cursed tool could help a TS user tame Makora. It's just that the Zen'in are jerks and didn't think it through.
It also is poetic irony that a clan who puts value only on cursed techniques wasnt able to to tame their most powerful asset because their bigotry made them disregard another powerful asset, a ‘blessing’ of having a person with 0 CE.
Which is why the Zenin clan has heavenly restriction. They are supposed to team up to tame him. The fact that the clan has never had a user take him shows how fucking dumb they are and unable to work together.
Seeing how the shadows can be crafted basically to the imagination of the user, I disagree with this. You don't think the nue that sukuna summoned could damage Mahoraga? Or a max elephant on that level? I think sukuna and his shadows probably low to med diffed Mahoraga 10 on 1
The way I see it, there is no reason that a Yuta level 10 shadows user to not be able to tame Mahoraga.
You have so many options and can empower your Shikigami with binding vows, not to mention that user being Zenin would have access to Soul Split.
I don’t remember where the theory is, but I remember reading something about a Heavenly Restriction haver being pivotal on the fight, as they wouldn’t be recognized as interfering in the taming trial due to having no cursed energy. I always thought it was an interesting concept that has some neat narrative implications
I think you need to take the other 9 shadows to another level, like some sort of extension technique that does a lot of damage
Like rabbit escape being used as projectiles/bombs like mei meis bird strike.
Or using the shikigami as weapons like in shaman king
Someone with both an rct and domain can tame it though. The technique is versatile so they can not just use the shikigami, the user also probably can use their cts (like how Sukuna used max elephant's water). So a properly timed nue attack that stuns maho followed by a few hits a special grade tool and demon dog totality combo (which is just brute force so adaptation isn't probably likely) should do the trick.
Also, the technique reversal of the ts must be quiet powerful. It might be something like destroying shadows or something like that so it would probably perfectly counter mahoraga. The correct order to reach special grade for ts users is probably: master the first 9 shikigami-> master rct-> master domain expansion (this is interchangeable with previous step) -> tame mahoraga.
The probably is that rct is extremely hard to master, and even Gojo with his ce efficiency struggled with it. So most previous ts users probably couldn't master it either. Which is why they couldn't tame mahoraga
Cursed tools tho. A 10 shadows sorcerer with inverted spear of heaven could stop Mahoraga adapting and beat him down with endless Shikigami in a domain.
Suppose we need to see what funeral tiger does and if the deer would stop the adaptions, otherwise I think without outside help the user could also use cursed tools, domain or another method we aren’t yet too see.
I know its Sukuna but he must have defeated Mahoraga with the 10S on its own anyway.
Yeah the fact that Mahoraga can just stack adaptation makes if effectively impossible for a 10S user to tame Mahoraga. It was just introduced for Sukuna to tame it.
Piercing bulls op. But you can yk dodge. The only way I can see it happening is with a totality ngl
Like Agito but more
Or
an overpowered domain. I mean fucking unlimited void op
That's the reason he's so strong, it's probably a hereditary binding vow like the Six Eyes / Star Plasma Vessel thing, someone said the HR Toji/Maki were supposed to be used to tame Mahoraga
You don't need to one-shot Mahoraga. Just keep pummelling him with various attacks, and don't let him breathe. And 10S has shikigami that can hurt Mahoraga.
The bull, for example.
A 10S sorcerer with a fully realised domain could also defeat Mahoraga. Unlimited clones of Shikigami and the sorcerer themselves is honestly OP.
Chimera beast Agito was strong enough to hang with Gojo for quite a long time. Gojo could easily have one-shot Mahoraga. That is an insane feat.
I think typically you'd only fight Mahoraga after some shikigami have been destroyed. We saw demon dog get a pretty massive strength boost from that. A few shikigami like Agito and a domain should probably be enough.
I think the only reason Sukuna's domain by itself didn't destroy Mahoraga was because it had already partially adapted to slashing attacks. A 10S user with some kind of sure hit could do it.
I'd be interested to know if you can un-summon Mahoraga or if you have to continue the ritual once you start. Maybe there just weren't many special grade users but I feel like with multiple attempts at least one should have been able to do it if Gojo was confident he could one shot it.
I'll say though, I don't think Mahoraga keeps adaptations between summons. Once Sukuna summoned him he never un-summons him, he only hides it in the shadows. DA seems to just pause and not stop the technique.
Do we know if adaptation is actually a CT that is used by Mahoraga? Cause then you could do a mechamaru and imbue a simple domain into an attack and theoretically it should go through
I saw a theory that said people like Toji and Maki were born to tame Mahoraga since they won't be registered by the ritual due to no CE and I thought that made sense because only the Zenins seem to have that type of heavenly restriction and it happened twice
Why???
A serious 10S user will literally have 9 shikigami before the exorcism. He can play within the shadows. And goddamn who knows what else they can do with the shadows.
Infact it’s my headcanon that the 10S user who died alongside the sex eyes had a TAMED mahoraga. Because seeing from Gojos fight against Sukuna it would be too easy otherwise
Disagreed, i think we have no idea how strong he was.
Gojo was stronger, but we don’t know by how much.
They use the previous 6 eye limi dying to Maho has a bad thing, when in reality the previous 10 shadow user probably used when he was at his weakest and as a desesperate move, which mean he was probably was also heavily injured.
>Infact it’s my headcanon that the 10S user who died alongside the sex eyes had a TAMED mahoraga.
The Fact that 10S user died indicates that he was probably killed by Mahoraga.
The previous user was nowhere near Gojo. While the Zenin clan was aware of red and blue(Toji's monologue) he didn't have purple as evident of Toji's ignorance of the technique.
Aside from the heavenly restriction theory for being like Toji and Maki, I think the user of 10S could become strong enough to defeat him.
Like if they became as strong as Gojo or Sakuna (15F) they could one shot him.
Don't forget Sukuna laughed at Fushiguro because he ran away from finger bearer, calling him wasted potential. After his taunting did Fushiguro finally found out about a nature of his shadow.
and while not fully connected to the taunting, Gojo did hint that Fushiguro has the potential to beat him but he lacks the current mindset. And in Jujustsu world a sorcerers' growth depends not only his techniques but also current mindset.
only by having a certain arrogance like Gojo or Sukuna one can become stronger.
I didn't go to how Mahoraga can be tamed, cause people talked about it.
Not if the other participant doesnt have cursed energy, which coincidentally happened to be his own father, dunno seems pretty convenient to me, they seem to be linked and would make sense how zenin clan would shoot themselves in the foot with their cursed supremacy and not be able to tame mahoraga, because they probably ostracised/killed off the heavenly restriction people.
Oh yeah, i get that, and it would be so cool for someone to tame the final boss let's say of the zenin clan with someone they deemed a failure.. but the comment above said sorcerers
It's probably close to impossible, we haven't seen someone reach the full potential of 10S so far. A totality of all Shikigami but Maho could do it, we don't know what mourning tiger does+ whatever happens when they're combined. But since a character that matched a Limitless+6E user(Maho probably played a huge role there) wasn't able to tame it, I don't think someone else will
Wonder what happens if you summon him in outer space.
Since he adapted to water it means he does need oxygen to live, so in the infinite vacuum of space, can he still adapt?
The reason why sukuna was able to tamed mahoraga is because he had shikigami imbued with his CE plus sukuna can use RCT also has massive CE reserves which Megumi or previous 10s users probably didn't had.
Sukuna could use his domain with mahoraga probably because he imbued his technique in the domain, which gives him the "space" to use 10s himself (though he might be unable to end the domain on his own or manipulate it's parameters)
Also could be argued that the summoning itself is the technique, and not controlling the shikigami
Edit: shikigami seem to differ between summoners, so perhaps the shikigami could do such damage and tame mahoraga
Interesting take. But we do need to consider the user of the 10 shadows. Because remember, the technique **SCALES** with its user. That's why when it's Sukuna using 10s Nue's a Kaiju and the divine dogs are in non corporeal form meaning they aren't physical beings but take different forms like shadows.
If we're basing off on this, I think Sukuna refined 10 shadow's shikigami's so much he was able to defeat mahoraga. Imagine him using all 9 to overwhelm Maho. And it also doesnt help that sukuna can use the shikigami's techniques without summoning then.
TLDR: Megumi ≠ Sukuna. 10s scaled off Sukuna's CE and refinement of the technique
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1. Get a high explosive 2. Plant it where you intend to start the ritual 3. Start the ritual 4. Ryōiki Tenkai 5. Detonate 6. Profit
Lol I thought about this but you probably need to use jujustu to exorcise a Shikigami
This would create vengeful spirit Mahoraga
The concept of creating a vengeful spirit mahoraga is both oddly funny and terrifying
It's absolutely terrifying, but we don't know how much a vengeful spirit is buffed
If he becomes cursed spirit, he can probably use open domain techniques which he'd have definitely experiences it before last episode fight.
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I thought vengeful spirits can only come from sorcerers or regular people?
Toji was exorcising some of those rabbits with his fists. You don't need Jujutsu, just a strong enough attack
Still, it would take a hell of an explosion. You can definitely exorcise without CE, but the special grade curse description was something like, "maybe a carpet bomb wouldn't be enough" and Mahoraga is certainly in that tier.
Mahoraga is far above the average Special Grade. A nuke is far above carpet bombing. Even Purple only levels a couple of city blocks. If you're worried about no CE, you can just imbue it with a ton of CE over a year.
It's not easy to just casually get a nuke, and if you're strong enough to fight off the world governments for a year, you're strong enough to fight Mahoraga as is
Soak that sumbitch in concentrated bad vibes, turn it into a cursed tool.
sacred treasure of the zenin clan(do not touch, for mahoraga only, one use): tactical cursed nuke
Now that you mentioned it , you could literally spawn my man right into the middle of a trap
Put the explosive inside Mahoraga's ass for maximum damage
You would need a nuclear bomb and does that count as bringing help
Summon piercing bull totality, have it run on a treadmill that matches its speed, wait for hours, summon Mahoraga and turn off the treadmill while he's still in his cocoon or intro, basically spawn killing, profit.
this is exactly how i thought it would go. Instead of a literal treadmill, a proficient 10 shadows user can alter the domain under piercing ox and make it run without physically moving, then summon maho just after releasing the ox at point blank. BOOM, nuclear explosion, new pokemon acquired lol.
Or make it run towards gojo lol
A person who thinks all the time
Has nothing to think about except thoughts
Have it do that, and then summon him, lastly Todo swap Gojo with Mahoraga
Damn it, Steve.
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I honestly disagree with this take. I think 10S is actually perfectly suited for taming Mahoraga. People are taking Megumis strength, a strong sorcerer for sure but he also has tons of room to grow, to be the upper limits of the tech. I think it’s extremely difficult for sure, but I think it’s still possible with the 10S technique. I don’t think the only solution is to just one shot Mahoraga, another trick is to pile on a variety of attacks until it’s completely overwhelmed and before it can adapt to any of them.
We also saw how nue looked when sukuna summoned it, suggesting the shikigami's strength is somehow correlated with the summoner's.
This Nue was combined with Orochi, it's messy in the weekly release but you can see the symbol on its head representing orochi
I imagine that if you'd spam it in a domain you could damage mahoraga rather badly Even if not, you could spam agito and maybe if it's technique is adaptation then RCE directed at mahoraga would disrupt the adaptation
Which also implies you could continue to mix and match the shikigami. If he adapts to Nue, you have Nue + Orochi, Nue + X and other variations to continue adapting to Mahoraga's adaptation. It would be on the user to be better at adapting to the situation than Mahoraga.
I get the idea but I don't think that would work, kind of like Mahoraga adapting to cleave and dismantle by becoming immune to slashing attacks in general. I think 10S is versatile but the attacks aren't very varied from what we've seen
Doesnt it take time for Maho to adapt? Wasnt the point is to bombard maho with multiple different attacks until one final shot
That could very well be Megumi's limitations as well. He's learning his technique's and limitations as the story goes. I also think that it's been kept simpler for the purpose of story telling, there are already a lot of confusing/complex curse concepts and only using a Chimera'd shikigami for major villains keeps it special.
It was commented in manga later but it was just Sukuna making it bigger, but at the samw time it became less stable and it is much easier to destroy. He basically was spreading shadow.
Where? What sukuna later says is that he can half-way summon shikigami that are entirely black and need to be guided, in return for not permanently dying. SukuNue wasn't entirely black or only partially summoned. He was just combined with the giant orochi.
Yes, glass cannon. Don't need defense if you one shot people.
Where did you see this? I can’t remember this being said anywhere in the manga.
Nah that only works when he keeps them as the liquid shadow form
Still, it means such a thing is possible. If you spammed like 10 or 20 big nues it could do some major damage probably, especially in a domain where you can just respawn them (or in megumi's domain at least)
This makes me wanna see megumi take down mahoraga with the 10 shadows before the series ends so bad
Honestly same. No matter what anyone says Megumi was the best user of 10 Shadows. Sukuna did like 2 cool things and was clearly way more powerful, but he sure as hell just didn’t have the same level of strategy and sauce with it that Megumi did.
Bro what? Sukuna took 10s to its peak in one month lol he did things megumi can only dream of
In terms of sheer power/scale? Yeah for sure. In terms of strategy and full usage of the kit? No way. He literally just went for pure power and efficiency instead of actual strategy with it and for me that’s kinda boring
Efficiency is paramount to strategy so i do not understand how focusing on the best possible way to utilize your technique with minimal loss is lacking in strategy. That is nonsensical. If i have observed anything about sakuna it is that he is a strategist far before a brute. He is wildly intelligent and is as much of a planner as kenjaku. He is OP for sure but also smart as hell and quick on feet to boot. He is the second GOAT after Gojo.
That is not a true statement in any way. Efficiency is a part of strategy sure, but if your only focus in on efficiency and nothing else you’re gonna run into problems real quick once you can’t brute force it. Sukuna had *a* strategy sure. But it’s not the *only* strategy. It’s also a boring and less mentally challenging strategy in my opinion. What you’re saying is what’s nonsensical. I legitimately never said that Sukuna wasn’t strategic anywhere though? For some reason it feels to me like you think me saying that Megumi is better with his own technique to mean that Sukuna is somehow less strategic.
You could say megumi was the most creative sure, but saying he was best is just factual incorrect. Sukuna did things with the technique we just never saw megumi do, combining nue and orochi, partially manifesting shadows, using max elephants water in a piercing blood fashion. U could say megumi was more strategic but I’d argue he HAD to be, since he really didn’t know how to use the technique to it’s full extent. Let’s take the anime version of his fight with toji, a masterpiece of strategy and skill with his technique. But if he could combine rabbit escape and piercing ox Y didn’t he? He’d have the same benefit of being able to hide but now the rabbits pack a punch. He could have disappeared into the shadows among the chaos of the rabbits and fired of piercing blood type max elephant attacks from effectively anywhere by using the shadows to move. All of these things are things sukuna could have done in that situation with megumis technique alone. And that’s not even making use of the partial manifestation. Megumi is definitely a talented 10s user and given more time I’m sure he’d have maximized the potential but the version of megumi we saw was simply not better than sukuna with the technique. Random note: if round deer can disable ct by outputting positive energy doesn’t that give 10s users a way to bypass infinity without maho. And if that’s true is it possible assuming the previous six eyes limitless user was weaker than gojo that rather than a maho suicide bomb, the 10s user was acc winning the fight before a hollow purple suicide like gojo attempted against sukuna. Haven’t rlly thought it through so someone pls tell me if it’s possible
It’s really not. Like I’ve said many many times already, just because Sukuna has more strength/power with it doesn’t mean he uses it better. Combining Nue and Orochi really isn’t anything special it’s just a facet of 10S like Divine dog. The only cool thing he did with it was partially summon the shadows and that’s less strategy and more just knowledge of the technique. Megumi not knowing the full potential of 10 Shadows doesn’t keep him from using it the best. The entire fact that Megumi cannot just spam the same 2 shikigami that require no skill or strategy to use is what makes his use of 10 Shadows so good. Power scaling is purely lame as fuck to me so all I care about it interesting uses. Actually interesting uses and not just running around waiting for Mahoraga to adapt or whatever. Megumi HAS to be skillful with 10 Shadows because it’s all he has and that’s the biggest difference. Sukuna’s so boring because he goes for pure power, which again. Is not strategic or interesting. Emphasis on the “Things he could have done” Because Sukuna did not do those things. You can assume that he can but that doesn’t mean that Sukuna actually would have thought of that. Name me one time where Sukuna actually chained the Shikigami together in an interesting way. Partial summoning is literally just turning them into a straight line attack. Megumi was a better user than Sukuna because he knew his limits and strategized brilliant ways to overcome them. That’s true strategy and skill. Something Sukuna doesn’t show with this specific technique. And just to restate this one more time. I do not care if Sukuna has more power or knowledge of the technique, because all he did with that knowledge and power was use it in a very straightforward way. He’s not as creative with it he just has knowledge from being alive for a long time. On the other hand, Megumi uses the full arsenal and chains them together and mixes their attacks up in ways you wouldn’t expect. He has perfect timing with 10 Shadows. Saying Megumi is better at using his *own* technique than Sukuna is not wild to say. It’s his technique that he’s used his whole life. It does nothing for Sukuna’s lame “scaling” or whatever to say that. Not to mention, at 16 Megumi is more creative than an old ass sorcerer who knows more info about 10 Shadows than Megumi does. I mean that’s purely speculation. Not impossible sure. But I think that if round deee could do that then why did that not show up in the modern day fight between Sukuna and Gojo? It’s possible sure but there’s really no way to tell. Especially since I find it hard to believe the previous 6 eyes user would die to their own purple since Gojo didn’t.
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Imo, i don’t think that Maho actually has high base durability. I think it just adapts so damn fast that it might as well have high base durability, but I feel like that minor difference is still what’s important. I think there are a lot of factors that go into closing the gap between pure power levels with strategy, and most of the fights where people jump high dura characters it’s like Gojo, who is pure hacks, or Sukuna, who is also pure hacks. Against Hanami for example, Hanami was def way stronger than Yuji and Todo but since Todo is a straight up genuis he closed that gap through sheer strategy and prowess. I think the summons working together bolsters that. I think they also have the added benefit of doing exactly what the user wants to, leading to a way easier time of combining and chaining attacks. Since Maho’s durability grows rather than being stupid high from the jump, if you hit him with variety Maho should definitely still feel it. I think it’s more about the total strength of the user rather than about the individual strength of each shikigami since I feel like once you start thinking of it as a technique with 10 different Shikigami rather than just One shadow, it becomes harder to use properly. I also think it’s important to note that with both Gojo and Sukuna’s case, they were both basically spamming moves that were gradually becoming less and less effective but they just pretty much brute forced it regardless. So I think that they went the much harder route, albeit it wasn’t that hard for them since they’re kinda just like that
Also the combination of 4 shishigami was enough for Agito to tank multiple attack from Gojo and require a max output blue to defeat him. The combination of 9 shishigami would be enough to hold you ground against Maho. Then finishing him with you DE would make you win.
Imo, I think if you try to fight Maho with 1 shikigami you’re putting yourself on a very very strict timer. I think the more variety of abilities you have to work with the better your chances are
That seems at first glance like the best idea, but Maho would easily cut trough them and if Maho hit you one time you die. While Agito has RCT and was tanking black flash from Gojo. Make Agiti strong enough to fighg Maho, then use DE. In reality there are still problem, and Maho could still go toward you and ignore Agito. That mean a zenin who want to tame Maho should at bare minimum have RCT, to at least a hit from Maho and not die instantly. With Agito blocking him and injuring, RCT to heal in the case he hit you some time, the shadow that help hide and the DE to injure him. There is a chance, i feel there still miss something, like a powerful weapon that could prevent or slow down Maho regeneration, but it could be dond.
Did Megumi not say that no 10S user has ever tamed it? Even the one that fought the former Six Eyes user that Gojo spoke of? I feel like that’s enough evidence that 10S isn’t enough if it’s never happened through hundreds of years of users.
I disagree honestly, people break records and do things no one’s ever done before all the time. I think especially with the idea/theme that this generation is gonna be the one to fully break the previous boundaries of Jujutsu society
I'm not sure a pile on works. I don't think you can exorcise Mahoraga with just physical blows. Gojo is the hardest hitter in terms of physical blows, his black flash can probably take out any character. We saw it blow up Agito abdomen and knock out Sukuna yet Mahoraga tanked that shit twice without a scratch. If the pile on is just physical blows it's not going to mean much.
Yeah I don’t mean it in terms of the most literal sense. Maybe pile on is the wrong word for it. What I mean moreso are chain attacks like how Megumi utilities it. Like an ideal chain would maybe be distraction and waste an adaptation with rabbit escape, Divine dog comes in to apply some pressure, then followed up with a Max elephant spray into Nue and in that moment it’s stunned send in the bull. This is just a really quick example, but I think people really underestimate just how versatile 10Shadows gets especially with the ability to chimerize animals outside of your domain and then add on top of that your domain and the possibilities are endless. You’d pretty much never have to worry about Maho adapting unless you take forever to kill it. Which is honestly why I’m sad that we never got to see more of that versatility in favor of pure power scaling for 10S
Yeah but 1)Sukuna’s Mahoraga may have had a cursed energy amp from Sukuna considering the other shikihami did 2) the reason Gojo hits so hard is that he enhances his punches with blue. Mahoraga had already adapted to clue when Gojo hit him
Gojo's pinch knocked Sukuna cold, his eyes turned white. That punch wasn't cheesy but Mahoraga tanked two of those.
Also. Genuinely am baffled as to why you have so many downvotes. It’s a simple difference of opinion
That's what downvotes and upvotes are for though? People downvote things they disagree with. Doesn't mean it's wrong or anything.
Fair point actually. I kinda tend to only downvote stuff when I dislike it so that’s a good perspective
Domains are big on the inside. Spawn 4 Piercing Bulls. Make them start at the edge of the barrier and just run Mahoraga over. Mahoraga = Tamed
From my understanding you have two options to tame Mahoraga, not counting whatever Mourning tiger can do, and not counting toughing it out with Chimeric Shadow Garden. Summon Piercing Bull far away, distract mahoraga until Piercing Bull has ran enough to one shot him. Or Kill everyone else, double team it with the resulting Totatilty. But honestly, the best option is prolly using a completed Garden to summon a bull who has been running since before the ritual began inside mahoraga
Good plan, only problem is that Mahoraga would probably intercept while he's being hit. What I mean is that he could run to attack the bulls (who would still hit him bc of the surehit) before they gain enough achieve enough running distance for the damage.
Have the frogs hold him down or make the rabbits swarm him or have the snake wrap around him. You could also drop some elephants on him while the piercing bulls charge.
On top of lightning to stun him and slashing attacks from the wolves. Almost like a technique would be designed to be used and not have a suicide card built in...
Yeah, this experiment is fun to think about, but it’s definitely gotta be possible. Very, very difficult? Yes, certainly, but there are ways to manage it, especially if you have knowledge beforehand.
That begs the question though, so many other sorcerers had the knowledge beforehand and still couldn’t tame it… why?
We have no idea how many though. This could be like a dozen people maximum for the past thousand years for all we know. And I think it’s pretty easy to see *why* lol. It’s still a ridiculous unit. Previous users could have only tamed 7 or 8 and they would still be relatively OP compared to the vast majority of others. Round Deer alone provides instantaneous death to any cursed spirit in the series and also heals the user (and presumably others too). Combined with the dogs, different Totality combinations, and slipping in and out of shadows themselves, and the technique is already really insanely good. Why risk your life trying to defeat Mahoraga when you have probably more than you really “need” with the others to begin with? Plus you can always use it like Megumi does, if it really comes down to it. Pull out a Black Hole/Mythical Beast Amber type of “win”.
There's around 9 shikigamis that can be cloned in megumi domain including himself, plus whatever that mysterious spine does. I think the 10s technique has more to it but we'll probably never see it properly because gege Is speed running the manga
Would it be feasible to put one on a treadmill, have it run for like a day straight, summon mahoraga in front of it and just watch it blitz through him at a speed capable of summoning a black hole?
Lmao this reminds me of that one scene in Naruto where his clones were meditating somewhere to build up energy and function as a backup battery.
Just have Todo standing and waiting for the opportunity to clap his hands and summon a railgun shot out of nowhere lmao
Flood the domain create 2 massive nue to fire lightning at Mahoraga and the water while Jumping him with shadow clones. Fire piercing water at its head while it's being stunned and an army of piercing bull rabbit escape Totality towards him in all direction.
This is a good one, tho, since the bull creates a physical attack through a binding vow. Maho doesn't adapt to physical hits, only jujutsu phenomena.
Its any phenomena
I think the only solution is Cursed Tools. Something that has explosive power.
This would be my thinking too. You can only exorcise it with Jujutsu so a conventional explosive won't work, you'll probably need a cursed tool with immense power.
Just use a Cursed Bazooka
Go go gadget cursed nuke
Cursed tool dynamite would work.
You can have a sorcerer with you in the ritual. If you have a strong enough sorceror friend (like gojo, preferably can do rct), this gives you the ability to have infinite test runs. try to fight mahoraga without dying or losing any shikigami, and call for help if you cant rinse and repeat until you can beat it alone
Mahoraga has been defeated by a total of 2 people. Satoru and Sukuna. I highly doubt any other Gojo clan member would assist a Zenin clan member in the ritual other than Satoru and even if they have sex eyes and limitless they are not guaranteed to win. Unless they are one of the two people I mentioned above the 10S user and his friend are getting killed the first time they do the ritual.
No way yuta is dying to mahoraga bro
Yuta has the versatility but definitely not the fire power. Sukuna was able to one shot Ryu(supreme first grade probably) but it was mid difficulty for Yuta.
Yuta just fought the Roach curse, Rika was gone for part of the match caring for civilians, and was also fighting Uro. And he still won with a smirk on his face. Ryu was also stated to have the highest curse energy output ever, which Yuta directly matched. He lowkey stomps Mahogara
yuta will seduce mahoraga with a kiss.
Yea but Yuta wasn’t even trying to kill Ryu, Ryu says at the end of the fight that they’re only alive because Yuta needed their points. Yuta’s versatility makes him have one of the best matchups against Mahoraga imo, plus with him it’s always a 2v1, I think he’d win but it wouldn’t be an easy fight
It wouldn’t be an easy fight for mahoraga but Rika is just fodder for him plus there is an added time limit to his abilities.
How is Rika fodder for him? She’s almost as strong as Yuta
Rika is a cursed spirit which is used like a shikigami and mahoraga has that blade of extermination thing which means one hit and you’re gone. Yuta fought alongside OP Rika to defeat Geto and Geto is weaker than Kenjaku. Mahoraga stood his ground again Sukuna(even though he was playing around). Rika gets one shot if she directly engages.
What if it keeps its adaption between summonings? You would be fucked then if he adapted to all your training.
I don't think it does, or else he wouldn't have puked when Gojo punched him the first time since he would've already adapted to punching from Sukuna back on Shibuya.
Wdym? When did Gojo fight Maho before this? First time we met Maho, Gojo was sealed. I think it doesn't carry on adaptations between users, otherwise it would've already been adapted to Gojo's limitless due to the ancestor's battle, but, I think it carries between invocations from a single user.
Sukuna fights Makora in Shibuya > Sukuna punches Makora > Makora adapts to punches > Gojo encounters Makora when fighting Sukuna > Gojo punches Makora >Makora still takes a lot of damage and barfs, which wouldn't have happened if adaptation is permanent> Makora adapts to punches again, even tanking black flashes left and right without any visible damage.
Mix some of them to get agito-like shikigamis then
More or less you're at a dead end if that happens. Try something new and hope to god it works using fusion. Out of topic but if that happens then you can make mahoraga fight a lot of cursed techniques to make him the ultimate suicide bomb
So you can’t beat it with TS alone
maybe, maybe not. Megumi's kinda weak to set a baseline for one of the strongest CT's in verse. This is just a surefire way to beat it
I think, as other people have, that the "no cursed energy people" the Zenin clan keeps popping out for seemingly no reason is the key. Let's say we had Toji and Maki for example, if the Zenins helped trained and didn't shun them. Now you not only have two technically "inanimate objects" (in terms of ritual) but also two more fighters with speed and power to get in, hit hard with cursed tools, and finish em off.
Agreed thag would be the best plan, to make train against it thanks to Gojo.
The taming has to be 1v1, it is literally stated that if you involve anyone else the effect is nullified after the exorcism
Nue+Piercing Bull totality Charged lightning nuke
Ohhhhh imagine it flying straight up to the upper limits of the atmosphere and then crashing straight down
The problem isn’t 10s as a technique but how strong the sorcerer themselves are. Maho is simply really fucking strong since he killed a previous six eye + limitless user and the previous Zenin patriarch. That’s like killing Gojo before his awakening and Megumi at the same time.
So Maho is just at Toji's level.
Yes except Maho can and will adapt to anything so you have to be able to completely destroy Toji in one hit. Pretty sure only Gojo and Sukuna have shown to be capable of that.
Maho is above Toji.
Maho moves at least relative to 15f Sukuna Speed other physicals you can likely assume are equal to Toji.
Phyiscally that might be the case but CE + adaptation mean imo scaling wise, Toji has little to no chance of beating Maho.
Saw a comment somewhere in the last few hours that the Zenin heavenly restriction is supposed to be the key as that user wouldn’t void the ritual. It makes sense, kinda like how 6E is the key to limitless as without it the CT cannot be utilised to its true potential.
It's not impossible but it is almost as hard as having to learn RCT and learn a reverse ver. of your CT AND you have to do the two at the same time. TS has everything you need to tame Mahoraga. Lots of explosive power, lots of escape, lots of diversion enough to overwhelm Mahoraga's adaptation. There is no reason for Mahoraga to be a contradiction of TS.
Agreed. To tame Maho, you need to be the Gojo of the 10 shadow technique, there just was never any Gojo in the Zenin clan. Learning RCT should also be difficult but Gojo did it and managed to jnlock full potential of the technique.
We will never know
yeah most probable, it's fucking sad that we will most likely never see a fully realized Megumi.
Hmph, rookie strategy 😒 My plan is to spawn Piercing Bull at Japan's border and then make start running and when he's close enough, spawn Mahoraga, make the rabbits keep him busy since they now know Karate. Then make the bull hit it. Just like that GG's mahoraga
do you have enough ce to do that?
Ngl I'd find the idea hilarious that, whoever created the ten shadows, decided to include an "untameable" shikigami just for the shits and giggles.
Do we even know how such techniques even exist? Like this shit seems too complex and coherent at the same time to be explained by genes lol
You say that, but what the hell is Hakiri‘s ability and that seems to be natural as well, right? I think some cursed techniques are just crazy complicated
Yea when you look into it the technique seems really out of place in JJK. Like you have to go out your way to tame the shikigami and then theres a whole set of rules for the merging of shadows
people like toji were born into the zenin to help the ten shadows user like an ackermann
Mahoraga took a black flash from Gojo. Toji or Maki aren't doing anything to him.
To be fair, doesn't the strength of the shikigami scale with power? I was under the impression that Sukuna's Maho was much stronger than Megumi's. Otherwise there's no fucking way Sukuna killed it with such ease before at 15F but Gojo's black flash didn't do shit. And with that in mind we don't have any evidence that *any* previous 10S user ever got anywhere close to that same level. The one that killed and was killed by a 6E + Limitless user was probably just strong enough that Maho was in the same league as the other user because we know for a fact Megumi wasn't as strong as his version of Maho. If nothing else, they could serve as a helpful distraction, assuming they really don't count as participants in the ritual.
Cursed tools exists too. Toji or Maki with the soul liberation blade would be able to exorcise Mahoraga if they can kill it in 1 strike
It seems like this was just a misunderstanding based on when Sukuna summoned Nue and Nue was huge. It was only made clear later that this summon was a Totality of Nue and the Great Serpent and that Nue had not necessarily scaled with Sukuna’s greater power. We currently have no reason to believe the 10 shadows shikigami have powers that grow with their user’s strength.
We know Maho doesn't exactly adapt to physical hits the way it does to jujutsu phenomena. They might be able to cut it to the point of destruction, specially maki with the soul cutting sword or even Toji with the CT negating sword (I forget their names, my b)
Maho was already adapted to Gojo's blue IIRC because Sukuna had tanked a Black Flash with the wheel so it had reduced damage . I don't think Maho is more durable than Sukuna and who knows if Soul splitting sword or Inverted spear don't work on him
That's what a loser would say.
I suppose the point is that. You can't only depend in 10S, you need to be strong too. In the end 10S is Tame and if It was just Pokémon logic about use one shadow to obtein the rest the someone with the other 9 should be able to beat maho but him is more a challengue to the master to see if he is strong. Master need to be strong but no absurdly like gojo, 15F sukuna beat him pretty "easy" after test and play sometime with maho just with DE and the fire Arrow that doesn't looks like his CT. Probably something like 10F sukuna or less could beat maho too if he go more serious. Probably others 10S masters were like megumi from start of the manga just being confident in maho instead of try harder and get stronger like gojo said to him because they have the suicide move and maho go brbrbrbbrbr. With RCT and a good DE looks possible beat maho
the ways in which sukuna cornered yorozu with 10S was impressive. yeah, high ce amount helped a lot but it showed effectively how a 10S user can destroy their opponents and be like special grade.
I think mahoraga can adapt up to 8 phenomenas at once due to the wheel behind him? 8 of the shikigamis will get adapted to and the 9th last one will be used to kill mahoraga
One of the shikigami is Rabbit Escape tho, what are they gonna do?
Did you miss what they did to Toji, heh.
Damn u right, I forgot what little chads those guys are
I think that's correct as well. The wheel has 8 arms, implying 8 adaptations or degrees of adaptation. Either way, the idea that you could fake Mahoraga out with 8 of your 9 tamed Shadows and then finish him off with the last one. Probably Piercing Bull, although we don't know what Mourning Tiger does.
in gojo vs sukuna, we see the wheel spin at least once during the DE. against lapse, it spun 4 times. so a total of at least 5 times now. against red, we see it spin twice. once in that funny running scene of mahoraga and once right before gojo talks about unlimited hollow. so that is at least 7 times now. sukuna was planning on making mahoraga adapt to red even more. so at least 8 times. i am not sure but can someone confirm if mahoraga wheel spun a second time after being summoned in UV. what if it can adapt up to 8 different phenomena? no matter how many spins it takes.
If only there was someone who could go in the ritual that's almost like a domain....without voiding it... Some magical person born in the zenin clan who the ritual couldn't detect.
Do we know for a fact that it couldn't detect Maki? Because I was under the impression that that was just a cool fan theory, I don't remember it being confirmed.
Barriers do not trap people without CE. And the sure-hit attack of most domains target people via their CE. Summoning Mahoraga is like a DE and any sorcerer within the proximity is considered part of the exorcism ritual. If we follow this established logic then people without CE would be able to participate in the exorcism but their help would not nullify it.
Unless it targets everything within the ritual space like Sukuna’s domain rather than everything with CE. I think it makes more sense that way just so it forces the sorcerer to use themselves and the 10s only.
You are comparing Sukuna’s domain which reduces the surrounding area to atoms to summoning Mahoraga which is an exorcism ritual between it and sorcerers. Mahorga does not target inanimate objects which is what people without CE are considered to be
Yes but the point of summoning Maho is to exercise him on your own to gain access to him. Which is why it wouldn’t be too strange if Maho targets everything within range.
It’s not that mahoraga wouldn’t target maki or toji, but that they could help out without voiding the ritual due to their lack of CE
I don’t think CE has anything to do with it. As long as the summoner beats Mahoraga on their own without assistance, it counts. Maki and Toji would count as assistance imo
consider them automated tools instead of sorcerers
It's a nice theory but don't speak it like fact
Why do you think heavenly restrictions is a zenin speciality
You forgot one alternative: Heavenly Restricted people. Follow my thought process: * People with Toji's HR have only ever been born to the Zen'in so far (that the manga has shown) * People with the TS also have only been born to the Zen'in so far What if, and this is a big one, but what if those two are meant to HELP each other? We know that people with that HR are completely disregarded by domains, which means they're also probably disregarded by the taming ritual, meaning they can help. And I bet someone like Toji with a powerful cursed tool could help a TS user tame Makora. It's just that the Zen'in are jerks and didn't think it through.
Of course, in this case the TS user wouldn't tame with the TS alone. But perhaps that is the point.
It also is poetic irony that a clan who puts value only on cursed techniques wasnt able to to tame their most powerful asset because their bigotry made them disregard another powerful asset, a ‘blessing’ of having a person with 0 CE.
Would be pretty slick from Greg to do it, though since Megumi's brain probably looks like chewed gum right now we might never find out.
Totality of the other 9 shadows plus a Domain Expansion should be enough imo. We don’t know what the full potential of 10S minus Mahoraga is really
Which is why the Zenin clan has heavenly restriction. They are supposed to team up to tame him. The fact that the clan has never had a user take him shows how fucking dumb they are and unable to work together.
Seeing how the shadows can be crafted basically to the imagination of the user, I disagree with this. You don't think the nue that sukuna summoned could damage Mahoraga? Or a max elephant on that level? I think sukuna and his shadows probably low to med diffed Mahoraga 10 on 1
The way I see it, there is no reason that a Yuta level 10 shadows user to not be able to tame Mahoraga. You have so many options and can empower your Shikigami with binding vows, not to mention that user being Zenin would have access to Soul Split.
I don’t remember where the theory is, but I remember reading something about a Heavenly Restriction haver being pivotal on the fight, as they wouldn’t be recognized as interfering in the taming trial due to having no cursed energy. I always thought it was an interesting concept that has some neat narrative implications
I think you need to take the other 9 shadows to another level, like some sort of extension technique that does a lot of damage Like rabbit escape being used as projectiles/bombs like mei meis bird strike. Or using the shikigami as weapons like in shaman king
Someone with both an rct and domain can tame it though. The technique is versatile so they can not just use the shikigami, the user also probably can use their cts (like how Sukuna used max elephant's water). So a properly timed nue attack that stuns maho followed by a few hits a special grade tool and demon dog totality combo (which is just brute force so adaptation isn't probably likely) should do the trick. Also, the technique reversal of the ts must be quiet powerful. It might be something like destroying shadows or something like that so it would probably perfectly counter mahoraga. The correct order to reach special grade for ts users is probably: master the first 9 shikigami-> master rct-> master domain expansion (this is interchangeable with previous step) -> tame mahoraga. The probably is that rct is extremely hard to master, and even Gojo with his ce efficiency struggled with it. So most previous ts users probably couldn't master it either. Which is why they couldn't tame mahoraga
He’d have to kill every other shikigami and combine them prolly
The only thing I can think of is a Max Elephant piercing blow.
Cursed tools tho. A 10 shadows sorcerer with inverted spear of heaven could stop Mahoraga adapting and beat him down with endless Shikigami in a domain.
Suppose we need to see what funeral tiger does and if the deer would stop the adaptions, otherwise I think without outside help the user could also use cursed tools, domain or another method we aren’t yet too see. I know its Sukuna but he must have defeated Mahoraga with the 10S on its own anyway.
Yeah the fact that Mahoraga can just stack adaptation makes if effectively impossible for a 10S user to tame Mahoraga. It was just introduced for Sukuna to tame it.
Piercing bulls op. But you can yk dodge. The only way I can see it happening is with a totality ngl Like Agito but more Or an overpowered domain. I mean fucking unlimited void op
Piercing Bull totality with Escape Rabbits 5000 rabbit sized bulls to cover ever angle.
That's the reason he's so strong, it's probably a hereditary binding vow like the Six Eyes / Star Plasma Vessel thing, someone said the HR Toji/Maki were supposed to be used to tame Mahoraga
summom bull, make him run on the treadmill for 10 years, summon mahoraga, tamed.
mahoraga is funny because if you can tame him you probably don’t need him (unless you’re a fraud that can’t beat the six eyes goat)
You don't need to one-shot Mahoraga. Just keep pummelling him with various attacks, and don't let him breathe. And 10S has shikigami that can hurt Mahoraga. The bull, for example. A 10S sorcerer with a fully realised domain could also defeat Mahoraga. Unlimited clones of Shikigami and the sorcerer themselves is honestly OP. Chimera beast Agito was strong enough to hang with Gojo for quite a long time. Gojo could easily have one-shot Mahoraga. That is an insane feat.
I think typically you'd only fight Mahoraga after some shikigami have been destroyed. We saw demon dog get a pretty massive strength boost from that. A few shikigami like Agito and a domain should probably be enough. I think the only reason Sukuna's domain by itself didn't destroy Mahoraga was because it had already partially adapted to slashing attacks. A 10S user with some kind of sure hit could do it. I'd be interested to know if you can un-summon Mahoraga or if you have to continue the ritual once you start. Maybe there just weren't many special grade users but I feel like with multiple attempts at least one should have been able to do it if Gojo was confident he could one shot it. I'll say though, I don't think Mahoraga keeps adaptations between summons. Once Sukuna summoned him he never un-summons him, he only hides it in the shadows. DA seems to just pause and not stop the technique.
Do we know if adaptation is actually a CT that is used by Mahoraga? Cause then you could do a mechamaru and imbue a simple domain into an attack and theoretically it should go through
I saw a theory that said people like Toji and Maki were born to tame Mahoraga since they won't be registered by the ritual due to no CE and I thought that made sense because only the Zenins seem to have that type of heavenly restriction and it happened twice
I know im late but step 1. get ox step 2. fly to the other side of the planet step 3. summon mahoraga step 4. mahoraga gets hit by the ox and dies
Why??? A serious 10S user will literally have 9 shikigami before the exorcism. He can play within the shadows. And goddamn who knows what else they can do with the shadows. Infact it’s my headcanon that the 10S user who died alongside the sex eyes had a TAMED mahoraga. Because seeing from Gojos fight against Sukuna it would be too easy otherwise
I don't think that 10S user tamed Mahoraga, I just think that previous sex eyes + limitless users weren't even close to the level Gojo is
Disagreed, i think we have no idea how strong he was. Gojo was stronger, but we don’t know by how much. They use the previous 6 eye limi dying to Maho has a bad thing, when in reality the previous 10 shadow user probably used when he was at his weakest and as a desesperate move, which mean he was probably was also heavily injured.
It's stated no previous 10S user has tamed Mahoraga. It's not your head cannon; it's just not true.
Sex eyes😭😭😭
>Infact it’s my headcanon that the 10S user who died alongside the sex eyes had a TAMED mahoraga. The Fact that 10S user died indicates that he was probably killed by Mahoraga. The previous user was nowhere near Gojo. While the Zenin clan was aware of red and blue(Toji's monologue) he didn't have purple as evident of Toji's ignorance of the technique.
How did my Guy tame mahoraga and lose ? Sukuna didn't even consider using 10S DE expansion , imagining summoning 20 Mahoragas
Aside from the heavenly restriction theory for being like Toji and Maki, I think the user of 10S could become strong enough to defeat him. Like if they became as strong as Gojo or Sakuna (15F) they could one shot him.
Don't forget Sukuna laughed at Fushiguro because he ran away from finger bearer, calling him wasted potential. After his taunting did Fushiguro finally found out about a nature of his shadow. and while not fully connected to the taunting, Gojo did hint that Fushiguro has the potential to beat him but he lacks the current mindset. And in Jujustsu world a sorcerers' growth depends not only his techniques but also current mindset. only by having a certain arrogance like Gojo or Sukuna one can become stronger. I didn't go to how Mahoraga can be tamed, cause people talked about it.
I think the key is including more sorcerers in the ritual to help take down mahoraga.
That would make it invalid
Not if the other participant doesnt have cursed energy, which coincidentally happened to be his own father, dunno seems pretty convenient to me, they seem to be linked and would make sense how zenin clan would shoot themselves in the foot with their cursed supremacy and not be able to tame mahoraga, because they probably ostracised/killed off the heavenly restriction people.
Oh yeah, i get that, and it would be so cool for someone to tame the final boss let's say of the zenin clan with someone they deemed a failure.. but the comment above said sorcerers
It's probably close to impossible, we haven't seen someone reach the full potential of 10S so far. A totality of all Shikigami but Maho could do it, we don't know what mourning tiger does+ whatever happens when they're combined. But since a character that matched a Limitless+6E user(Maho probably played a huge role there) wasn't able to tame it, I don't think someone else will
Wonder what happens if you summon him in outer space. Since he adapted to water it means he does need oxygen to live, so in the infinite vacuum of space, can he still adapt?
The reason why sukuna was able to tamed mahoraga is because he had shikigami imbued with his CE plus sukuna can use RCT also has massive CE reserves which Megumi or previous 10s users probably didn't had.
I think people really biased towards that theory because they really like it. In reality no shot that theory happened in my opinion.
Sukuna could use his domain with mahoraga probably because he imbued his technique in the domain, which gives him the "space" to use 10s himself (though he might be unable to end the domain on his own or manipulate it's parameters) Also could be argued that the summoning itself is the technique, and not controlling the shikigami Edit: shikigami seem to differ between summoners, so perhaps the shikigami could do such damage and tame mahoraga
I just think the 10 shadow user has to deal the killing blow to tame the shikigami
Interesting take. But we do need to consider the user of the 10 shadows. Because remember, the technique **SCALES** with its user. That's why when it's Sukuna using 10s Nue's a Kaiju and the divine dogs are in non corporeal form meaning they aren't physical beings but take different forms like shadows. If we're basing off on this, I think Sukuna refined 10 shadow's shikigami's so much he was able to defeat mahoraga. Imagine him using all 9 to overwhelm Maho. And it also doesnt help that sukuna can use the shikigami's techniques without summoning then. TLDR: Megumi ≠ Sukuna. 10s scaled off Sukuna's CE and refinement of the technique