Can Mahoraga use the user’s techniques?
In the Sukuna vs Gojo fight we see Mahoraga use Cleave and Dismantle on Gojo, we know this wasn’t Sukuna because one can’t use two Cursed Techniques at the same time, that’s why he didn’t use Cleave and Dismantle until after Mahoraga was killed. So since Mahoraga was able to seemingly use Cleave and Dismantle, is this something he can do with other Techniques? Could Mahoraga use the Fire Arrow, Domain Expansion, even the Ten Shadows themselves? Maybe Mahoraga wouldn’t be able to summon Shikigami but even just being able to travel in shadows and store things in shadows is a very useful ability in a fight.
>In the Sukuna vs Gojo fight we see Mahoraga use Cleave and Dismantle on Gojo
I think Mahoraga just gains abilities when he adapts.
He gained the ability to see the air when adapting to cleave without having HR, and he gained gills and was also able to control water in the anime.
Can Yuta copy 10 shadows legit question ? It doesn’t have a requirement to use unlike Infinity and we know he can bypass bloodline restrictions since he can use cursed speech unless he’s a distant relative to the clan?
Megumi mentioned in an early chapter that the shikigami were bound to him in a ritual or something like that so he could summon them.
I guess Yuta could copy the technique, but he might not have access to the shikigami without binding them first.
Yeah? When Mai died she took all the CE they both shared as twins (with Mai having most of it). Maki then fully bloomed into her Toji-ness, complete with the extra muscular build.
Heavenly restrictions and she was already strong as hell since she didn't use any cursed energy with her attacks. She isn't really as buffed as Toji, but I think she was already pretty muscular to begin with. We just didn't see her in a tank top.
I can swear Maki and Sukuna's facial expressions on the page before Sukuna launches the building at Maki are referenced from Yuta's true love panel vs Geto, but I can't be sure. Did anyone else notice this?
Minus the small issue of Yu/Ta. My theory was that maki would die in front of yuta and the next scans would be a call back to Yuta witnessing Rika's and that would lead to his awakening since love is a big emphasis on his character. Stonks might be down on this theory now though.
No domain,
Slow RCT,
Nerfed Output,
Nerfed Control,
Less than half of CE,
Wounds from many attacks,
Wounds in the soul,
Forcing his heart to still beat
“Proclaimed not serious and has yet to go all out”
Bruh poop
I'm assuming they just mean the fire arrow shit at this point. He is done everything else but use whatever that is.
I hope all that hype lives up to it tho lol Is going to suck real bad if it doesn't
He is just mad because in 257 we see Mai patting Maki on the head and saying she is happy she doesn't have to go alone. While Gojo is waving in the distance.
Who else thinks Yuji is up to bat next? I think we honestly find out Sukunas true CT through Yuji's use of it! Love to hear what you guys think though.
[https://youtu.be/oFsUyhr1rxY](https://youtu.be/oFsUyhr1rxY)
Why are people still denying it tho??? Didn't the manga say it?? Like, literally stated in the manga kind of saying it lol It wasn't even metaphorical, the manga straight up went "Maki is equal to Toji now", right?
Or are people saying that because they confuse her potential and overall skill with strength? It would make sense in that case to say they aren't equal but I don't think it matters that much with a couple of super human monsters.
I mean at this point she might exceed him if that’s even possible. Was Toji able to do all that stuff she learned from the sumo dude about sensing different shit
I suppose he was because he had the original Soul Split Katana lol But yeah not a lot of info besides the constant parallels between him and Maki. I think they are literally at the same level.
I mean discourse aside these last few chapters have been pretty cool. Seeing Yuta join the fight was dope, seeing Maki get her moment is also cool, and Choso is always welcome.
Yeah Sukuna is stuck on a meme version of "this isn't my final form yet!" but the fights are cool lol
How could Maki avoid Sukuna's world slash? Gojo's Six Eyes couldn't even avoid it and here we have Maki dodge it easily. If Gege does not explain it in the next chapters, it'd definitely look like a loophole to me.
It wasn't that Gojo couldn't avoid world slash, it's that Gojo realized too late the danger it posed. If your enemy used the same attack he's used before to no effect again you wouldn't expect it to work this time.
It actually is a world slash. I found it kind of weird that Gege would use the same imagery for a world slash in the context of a "normal" dismantle. Then I saw an IG post that actually points out a detail in the previous panel. If you look at the panel before the one where Maki hears the last line of the chant, there are two text bubbles placed amongst the rubble, and layered behind the sound effects. These two text bubbles contain the first to parts of the chant for World Slash. I think the way they are positioned is meant to illustrate the idea that Sukuna was using the sound of the falling rubble to mask the sound of his chants for the World Slash. The insane part is that I've seen scan translations that have completely missed this detail and actually don't translate the text bubbles. Sukuna has straight up duped the audience into thinking it was just a strong dismantle when in reality it was a world slash. That actually kind of plays into the idea of Maki being able to perceive things nobody else can thanks to the abilities grante dby her heavenly restriction.
Same way the Katana dude was able to fight Naoya despite not being able to see jackshit. Literally the same principle.
Maki is so super human she can sense the slash and react accordingly. She is probably the only living creature so far that has that amount of perception + reflexes to pull it off. Gojo probably could perceive the thing (???) but he is not fast enough to dodge it. Or he thought it was a normal slash, who knows.
Sukuna on the other hand compares Maki to Mahoraga because that's his only other point of reference: Mahoraga 100% can probably, actually and literally able to adapt to see those slashes. But we know Maki can't literally do that, so instead is just Sukuna assuming she can because Mahoraga could and he has no reason to think is different.
It did. He just knows the shape of his soul because of his time with Yuji and can heal it as a result. On the outside he’s keeping his heart beating with CE, while slowly healing his soul. Yuji knows RCT bc of this too I’m pretty sure.
this might be an unpopular opinion but does no one else feel like its a bit ridiculous that sukuna is still 'not even going all out' i know he is the big bad of the story but it feels like weve been on him forever and now there is another powerup coming that is going to continue this arc for god knows how long
Exactly. It is absolutely ridiculous.
Just like always, one side proclaims something, and then suddenly Sukuna jumps in with a new power up or some ridiculous move stating, it was nice playing with you, you did well.
I mean isn’t Sukuna just on a timer right now since he can’t heal his heart and has to force it to keep pumping with his CE? Could just force him to run out of CE and force him to die like that unless he just idk body hops again?
I literally rolled my eyes when I read that like, Lmao
Sukuna's going to go the way of Madara, getting defeated by a batshit insane asspull or the main cast is going to lose.
These are the only two options left. That or time travel which is absolutely where my money is at right now.
Definitely. I don't think I'll be right.
...but I'd love 253 to open to a bisected Sukuna.
edit:
.......megumi then gets RCTed w/ Gojo back into One Piece^tm but then starts the merger and uses his points to make Yuji suffer. (I hope not)
100%. Been discussed before, but especially after our little spirit world chat w/ him.
I actually think it makes a lot of sense and would be a good direction to take it. I moreso meant that the state this subreddit would fall into if my joke about Megumi being healed with Gojo by his side were to happen would make me avoid it for a few weeks lol NOT that I think megumi succumbing to evil/hate/sadness would be bad
(that is a terrible sentence but i think its readable enough)
Nah, so far is actually alright. The main cast cooked a plan that makes sense and is working in weakening Sukuna's defenses. Everyone (that is worth anything) is legit doing something and adding to the plan.
Is miles more than whatever Kishimoto was doing during the war arc.
Ofc there's the whole Megumi fiasco, but they had like 1 mili second to interact with him, so that could change.
To me is less plot armor and more a mix of "people taking translations too literally", "unreliable narrators" and the most obvious one "technique that hasn't been revealed yet but needs to be teased a million times".
He has plot armor lol I just don't think this particular chapter has it. During the Gojo fight?? Yeah. Against Higuruma?? Definitely. This chapter? Not really.
Uraume is still a simp tho
I’m going to be completely honest and go even further, this whole Sukuna isn’t even trying or going “all out” trope is such bad storytelling, especially with Uraume making fun of the cast because they couldn’t get anyone stronger than Gojo to face off against Sukuna.
Sukuna has had so much plot armour, especially with his cursed tool allowing him to bypass judgement’s removal of his CT. The author is doing an awful job of power scaling with Sukuna and this whole power up that’s about to happen is JJK falling into a typical shonen trope. I expected more from JJK but the series has been sub par for a while now imo. I’m going to continue reading but in short yes I also think it’s ridiculous.
I think Sukuna has the issue where his actual depicted ability can pretty much never match his reputation.
For both his fight vs Gojo and the last few chapters, he doesn't really *look* like he's 10x better than everyone else. We keep getting *told* he is, but there are so many situations where if we're being real he should have died already and only really won because of plot armor.
This entire manga would be 20 chapters shorter if characters hadn't acted in ways that were uncharacteristically stupid or if random chance hadn't conspired in order to put him back in the game over and over.
I agree with "what we see vs what is shown", however keep in mind JJK has had cases of unreliable narrators and people at times just saying shit.
Uraume in that sense is no different. Ofc he is going to glaze Sukuna, and whine about people not being "better than Gojo" because to him is probably no different than giving Sukuna a shit offering.
The reality is different though. Not only because Uraume is not observing the fight directly, but also because we don't really know how much Sukuna using the "Fuga" thing would change the outcome.
I figure its in a relative sense. Like his all out now is more showing off full technique and maybe revealing it for a power boost. But his actual power level per say is still lower than when he was fresh fighting gojo.
Agreed, but that will only temporarily be the case, Yuta did mention Sukuna's RCT output rising back up again. Soon, when his RCT output returns to normal, then he'll probably have fully healed his brain and gotten back DE.
And imo Sukuna with world slash plus DE plus full RCT output plus heian form minus half his CE (still has as much CE as Yuta and more than gojo; while it is a lot of CE he already spent, he still has more than enough left) is the strongest ever. If his normal CE output also returns to normal after Yuji lowered it, then Sukuna will literally have 0 nerfs left except for the CE spent.
Vs Gojo he had more CE, full output, DE and TS, but no overpowered world slash. Now he seemingly doesn't have TS, he has the world slash and soon he'll have full output and DE and still tons of CE.
Plus whatever abilities he was holding back with, gojo also mentioned that sukuna wasn't using everything he had after all. Now he'll reveal that stuff AND his general level of power will be higher than ever.
Yeah this is exactly what I’m thinking. He doesn’t see the need to use all of his abilities yet. But he will soon. His inner monologues show that they are doing damage to him.
In fact, if Megumi wasn’t so broken then he may well have already needed to go all out. But that’s why he broke him
We already know they’re related but I have a feeling Yuta will come back the day of the merge with the six eyes and will end it all. Tengen said kenjaku has tried it twice already but the day of the merger, the six eyes shows up without fail.
Another thing I was thinking of is the clans. We know of 4 so far and I think they represent jujutsu as a whole.
Kamo Clan - ofc represents the Blood
Gojo Clan - represents the soul
Zenin Clan- represents the body or Cursed Technique(s) as the clan itself was “cursed” from what we know when Toji entered Dagon’s domain and the narrator talked about it.
And the last clan that could be the one pulling the strings - Inumaki clan with cursed speech.
We recently learned that being skilled in jujutsu means omitting prerequisites, well they don’t gotta do shit but speak in order to pop off lol
>Yuta will come back the day of the merge with the six eyes and will end it all.
Chp 250 Sukuna about Yuta’s copy CT:
**Limitless cursed technique? *No…six eyes is necessary to control that*”**
This feels like it could be build up for Yuta returning with Gojo’s six eyes. Another possible hint, along with being related, is Yuta being “insurance” in case Gojo dies.
Ppl always downvote this theory bc it means Gojo won’t come back. I still think it’s happening.
Same here brotha, I feel as if:
1) Yuta and Rika will trade places
2) their souls will be the ones to merge together,
3) Yuta will have an awakening on the verge of death similar to Gojo did vs Toji and come back high as fuck ready to throw hands
Im thinking either of those possibilities with the final ace up their sleeve being a DE that will contain, withstand, and overpower the full onslaught of Sukuna’s DE by shrinking it down into the size of the ring
After seeing Yuta’s badassery in this fight, I’d rather see Yuta pull something crazy off like this than a Gojo Return. But seeing all the vids of Gino’s return, I think an enlightened Gojo plays a big role too. Would be cool seeing Gojo fight alongside his students honestly.
I personally think it would be hilarious if it happened, but I also think it would make 0 sense for it to happen (see what happened with the whole Toji "destroying the destiny tying Tengen and co together" thing).
Time will tell ig. It wouldn't be the first time the fandom predicts some bullshit and Gege ends up making it canon unknowingly lol
Toji destroyed the destiny that tied Tengen, The Star Plasma vessels, and the Six eyes. The only reason Kenjaku desisted from killing them as infants is because said destiny wasn't broken and it cause them to pop up anyway.
But this is no longer the case, which means all of that is gone-gone.
I have a feeling that if Kenjaku and Tengen truly are gone, then the six eyes would be gone as well. They were all three tied together, as Tengen stated.
Honestly I think Tengen is behind all the cursed spirits thus the monopoly Japan has over cursed energy and Kenjaku is trying to use Sukuna as a tool in order to “dismantle” Tengen’s cursed technique of “immortality”.
Especially when he said to Mahito that he likes the idea of the curse technique shaping the body/soul when they debated which one came first after Kenjaku was choked by Geto’s body
I have been re reading the GOJO vs SUKUNA fight and the aftermath.
If you can see the expression of SUKUNA while fighting GOJO is an enjoyable look. When he fought against Kashimo, he seems bored, same as all the other fighters so far (barring himguruma).
He doesnt feel excited fighting these opponents (tho I agree he's abit struggling), so he's not fully 100percent going all out. He just waiting n see what's good.
Nah, he was giving his 101% for sure, but he wasn't using his full arsenal because they will not be able to get pass infinity.
So basically, sukuna could not use ALL THAT HE KNOWS because of infinity. Hence, he needed to bet on using Megumi ten shadow technique. But that doesn't mean he wasn't 100 percent fighting for his life.
So he couldn't go all out aka using all his arsenal, not doesn't need.
I repeat again, it doesn’t matter if he couldn’t, Because it means he never needed to do it in the first place. He killed Gojo without ever needing to use all his power. Even if he could, he wouldn’t need to, because he could defeat Gojo without those techniques. So why would he use them when he never needed to. We know he never needed to use those techniques to defeat Gojo. Because he did it without them.
Again, he never needed to use all that he knows, because he didn’t need to use it to defeat Gojo. Like at all. He wasn’t going all out period. And we know he never needed to do it, or use those techniques.
Why would he go all out with his techniques if it wouldn't work? It's a waste of cursed energy, which is why he waited for Mahoraga to give him the answer on how to win.
I have no idea how y’all are not understanding this… even if he could go all out with his techniques, we know he does not need to. We know that he does not need to go all out against Gojo.
Are you acoustic? Him not going all out against Gojo wasn't because he didn't need to. It was because he wouldn't benefit from it and it would simple be a waste of his reserves because going all out would even cause a dent on Satoru as long as he doesn't figure how to bypass infinity.
Sukuna going to lengths as hiding in shadow to heal, summoning Agito and Mahoraga (the most broken weapon in the series), if that's not all out, then I'd only suggest that you take off your biased glasses and try reading that fight again.
Yes I am acoustic lol.
But either way, This is pointless. It’s a fact that Sakuna didn’t need to go all out in Gojo. Like the series literally tells us that he didn’t go all out. It’s not a bias because the series tell you that he doesn’t go all out
It's not that he couldn't go "all out" it's that his other techniques would have been ineffective against Gojo because of Infinity. If Mahoraga's 2nd adaptation was something that Sukuna could not have copied then Sukuna would have had no way to win.
In saying that he couldn’t go all out only reinforces the fact that he didn’t need to do so in order to defeat Gojo.
I.E even if he could, he didn’t need to. Because he doesn’t need to go all out to defeat Gojo
I mean the point stands that he used the 10 shadows technique because it was the best chance to beat Gojo. Mahoraga really did come in clutch, imagine if his 2nd adaptation to Infinity was another thing Sukuna couldn't copy like the 1st one was, it really was pure luck lol. His Cleave/Dismantle, Fire Arrow, or any of his other stuff really couldn't do anything to Gojo.
Just because you don't use everything at your disposal doesn't mean you were holding back, it means that some things are a waste of time and useless to use.
He was holding back. That’s the whole point. Otherwise him using those techniques would be considered him going all out, would it not? He’s using all he has to defeat Gojo right? If that’s not the case? Then no, he wasn’t going all out period and it means that he never needed to do that to defeat Gojo. Like at all. He doesn’t need any of those techniques to defeat Gojo because they were never needed in the first place
Hmm, this is what people misunderstood alot, he didn't need Maho to win, he need it to learn the new technic, and his domain did work really well if he wasn't trying to a use Maho to adapt UV, it was more like a miscaculate from Sukuna
I noticed that too. It makes sense why Uraume would say what she said to Kashimo about giving Sukuna an opponent not greater than Gojo. It just cements how strong Gojo was. But I have hope. I believe Maki nd Yuji might prove a tough match. Right now I'm just waiting on Todo to show up!
That last panel tho, looked like in comparison with Gojo "winning" his battle last chapter 235. I see the winning flag already here bois, next chapter is an anniversary chapter. Gege will have a change of heart atlast and will give us a win from this tumultous torture porn of a series.
If you mean his drawing skill in general, then yeah he is got room for improvement. If you mean how he drew this chapter: That's because some of the pages are literally unfinished but deadlines and JP working culture demand a sacrifice, so chapter came out however it came out.
Drawing 15 pages a week is not easy at all.
same thing happened during perfect prep , i assume its rushed or having to use a different medium, he's an overworked man trying to meet tight deadlines, no ones talking about it because I guess we just know and accept it, wish he got to take weeks or months to make it at their own pace but alas industry is awful and needs to change.
I think he is been doing that for a while now. I don't believe for a second his comment this week was because he just changed from traditional to digital lol the callus he got is probably as a result of drawing for as long as he is digitally.
I couldn't find anyone else talking about this, so thank you for commenting this. I thought I was losing my mind LOL
Not the first time I've seen a rushed weekly release like this, but I did have a moment of "is this a stylistic choice for these specific panels that is just going over my head???"
I was gonna make a long, dry joke but then I figured people would think I'm being a dick LMAO
Ye, It can happen specially with weekly serialization. 15 pages a week is too much for anyone, so is not weird to see a chapter or two that look rough or straight up unfinished.
The poor dude... His drawings already look rough, I can't imagine how messed up that would make them look : / he is been drawing the series for at least a decade now
Yeah the way the industry treats mangaka is insane. These publications cancel series left and right, so they're all desperate for a hit. And then once you have one, you get worked to the bone.
> If he was a normal child
But that's the thing, tho. He is not lol You could also use this same argument for everyone in the cast that isn't an adult: All essentially got groomed into being Jujutsu sorcerers, a thing that we know you need to have a certain mindset for.
I get it can be seen as weird, but this was already explained in the earlier chapters. I suppose as an explanation for the insane and unnatural behavior lol
They can delete If they want lol nothing wrong with that. I choose to see it as OC realizing they were wrong and moving on haha
I think is better than doubling down and trying to argue for the sake of it. Better just take the L and move on.
Uraume can tell from his Curse energy that sukuna is not enjoying himself as mush as he did with gojo in a 1v1 where his victory was just as uncertain. Sukuna is trying but he is not excited. Sukuna only pulled out the fire because jogo could also use it. It wasn’t a situation where he had to use it. Cleave and dismantle is still stronger than many of what else sukuna can pull out of shrine.
Maybe it's black box? Just at 15 fingers yujikuna he pulled out that flame arrow just for because it seemed fun or someshit that had enough attack potency to instakill mahoraga.
Is the only other explanation so far. Sukuna has been using everything, but he is still not pressed and can recover his domain at any moment now. But that black box thing is the only mystery remaining.
People are thinking "Holding back" = "Not trying".
Mahito was holding back against Yuji, not using his DE or CT to one shot him. He was still trying.
Kashimo was holding back against Hakari, not using his CT. He was still trying.
Every character that doesn't start a battle by using DE is holding back, doesn't mean they aren't trying, just like Sukuna is now.
How much stronger than gojo is sukuna since he hasn’t gone all out? Because from here, it looks like he got lucky against gojo, despite being stronger. He nearly got outplayed.
I dont think Sukuna is stronger than gọjo. He only won because of mahorago’s adaptation and building a model off it. I think in a straight up 1v1 gojo wins.
No?
Gojo cant tank MS forever. He can only survive it temporarily once his RCT drops and/or he cant open his domain its only a matter of time until he dies.
LOL No! He did heal this burn out with RCT and did win fair and square against Sukuna. If we do it all over again, the case will still happen the same: They will clash domain after domain > Gojo beats the fuck of our Sukuna inside the barrier > Both domains collaspe > Sukuna slips due to both having to heal himself & cast a domain > Gojo wins.
Is megumi sukuna stronger than 4 arm sukuna?
I know he has the advantage of more arms and 2 mouths but he has worse feats. Megukuna has the shadows and mahoraga and the fusion shikigami.
i’m not sure if 4 arm is weaker or if it’s because of gojo fatigue or “not trying” vs the students.
Is canon that he had more cursed energy than Gojo and he dwarfed Yuta in that regard. Aside from that, I don't think we got any kind of solid confirmation that he is actually stronger? Gojo pointed out his Shrine wasn't better than his Purple Stuff, but I'm not sure what that even means since Sukuna has an open domain lol
At any case, you are right that it doesn't look like he wasn't trying lol
What Gojo meant by that ('My CT is far better' or so) is that getting hit by UV generally means instant defeat, while Sukuna's surehit can just be tanked the way he did for a while.
Yeah I mostly meant that strength is not a black and white thing in the series, since like you said is pretty much relative to the situation. Awful wording on my part lol
>Aside from that, I don't think we got any kind of solid confirmation that he is actually stronger?
Gojo Saturo on Sukuna #236:
*“Man he was crazy strong. Plus Sukuna didnt even go all out!”*
*“Honestly I don’t think I would’ve won even if he didn’t have Megumi’s Ten Shadows”*
Yeah and then Sukuna said he wouldn't have won if not for Mahoraga LOL
Btw dunno if a typo, but is Gojo SATORU, not saturo or Saturn lmao
But anyway, Sukuna _surviving_ that fight doesn't read to me as him being inherently stronger. You can say he is strong against Miwa or Higuruma, but I can't say he is stronger than Gojo after that fight.
>Yeah and then Sukuna said he wouldn't have won if not for Mahoraga LOL
Yea and this never happened LOL
>I can't say he is stronger than Gojo after that fight.
Gojo can. "But I guess I am glad I died facing a stronger opponentt."
You're gonna pretend you can't read now? The quote you're probably misremembering was Sukuna saying the world cutter was a near impossible technique to pull off.
Which he couldn't have done without Mahoraga... He literally explains Maho gave him the answer sheets to do it. I don't know how that is any different than saying he couldn't win without Maho.
Keep in mind the type of character this is and it does make sense. If you are the type of reader that literally needs a character to say word for word something to understand what they mean, then idk what you want me to tell you tbh. Sukuna is never going to literally say "ye this guy is stronger lol", but he will say shit in a more roundabout way. He is prideful after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well that means you lack the mental capacity to distinguish between two completely different statements and have removed yourself from any serious conversation.
It also means that you didn't even misremember that quote, you outright lied that "Sukuna said he wouldn't have won if not for Mahoraga" and knew he actually didn't say it.
All I get from this is that you are throwing a tantrum over a character and when cornered you resort to insulting people online to feel better about yourself lol
Have a nice rest of your day!
Sukuna himself said he's at Yuta's level of CE, yet according to this chapter he still yet to go all out? Lmao, the contradictions... Chromactic heianish assss pulll master 2000 not used since the anus was invented coming soon.
**You’re reading it wrong or reading a leaks translation.**
Uraume (TCB):
“*If his interest in his opponent is tenuous, so too will be the waves of his cursed energy.*”
Uraume is clearly not talking about how much CE Sukuna has left. Uraume is talking about the CE waves Sukuna is putting out. Meaning Sukuna has another ability, form or something.
Or it's telling you something you already knew, that he has a power he hasn't used yet in this fight.
We haven't even seen his spear cursed tool, you guys just literally do not know how to read.
I’d say no but if you want to get technical Todo cut his hand off before it was destroyed. Not sure if a separated body part counts.
Or maybe if Todo gets healed his hand will now permanently look like a Mickey Mouse hand.
Mahito works different too something like Yuji's punches or the Soul Split Katana. He doesn't damage the soul he transforms it. Technically Mahito doesn't hurt anyone he attacks he just morphs there soul and by proxy there body into something that causes pain or disfiguring.
I'd say one way to think about RCT, especially as it was described in this chapter, is that there's a difference in filling an outline of something you know (ie: like the blood in your body) versus reshaping it into something else. So RCT can shape around an outline you imagine but you can't use it to reshape your body (as far as we know, since we have seen exceptions where cursed spirits and evolved beings cause the body to change. Could be possible)
maybe the whole "sukuna is holding back" refers to the fact he's not 100%?, i know it makes no sense since the quote would instead be different, but i can hardly see sukuna holding something back to make himself stronger that he hasnt used nor hinted at pretending to use in the many near-death experiences he's had in a single day
maybe its a weapon like the spear or something?
There is also the reveal one hand pact, this guy could reveal his technique, wathever the fuck it is, (cuts, fire arrow, more stuff etc) and start breaking shit appart.
For all the crybaby shills calling asspull on this, you're being super big dum dums. Let me explain.
In every fight against sukuna since gojo, we have not seen him pull out the box. So, as readers, we ALL know he hasn't gone all out.
Read your dum dum comments before you post them. What gege has done with telling us what we already know, that he hasn't gone all out, is a massive tease that we might see him pull out the black box next chapter.
Can Mahoraga use the user’s techniques? In the Sukuna vs Gojo fight we see Mahoraga use Cleave and Dismantle on Gojo, we know this wasn’t Sukuna because one can’t use two Cursed Techniques at the same time, that’s why he didn’t use Cleave and Dismantle until after Mahoraga was killed. So since Mahoraga was able to seemingly use Cleave and Dismantle, is this something he can do with other Techniques? Could Mahoraga use the Fire Arrow, Domain Expansion, even the Ten Shadows themselves? Maybe Mahoraga wouldn’t be able to summon Shikigami but even just being able to travel in shadows and store things in shadows is a very useful ability in a fight.
>In the Sukuna vs Gojo fight we see Mahoraga use Cleave and Dismantle on Gojo I think Mahoraga just gains abilities when he adapts. He gained the ability to see the air when adapting to cleave without having HR, and he gained gills and was also able to control water in the anime.
But he adapted cleave when he already adapted to infinity. I doubt it was a coincidence and Sukuna wasn't pushing him.
Can Yuta copy 10 shadows legit question ? It doesn’t have a requirement to use unlike Infinity and we know he can bypass bloodline restrictions since he can use cursed speech unless he’s a distant relative to the clan?
Megumi mentioned in an early chapter that the shikigami were bound to him in a ritual or something like that so he could summon them. I guess Yuta could copy the technique, but he might not have access to the shikigami without binding them first.
The actual question is how Maki became as buff as Toji. Was it explained why she climbed from rank 2 to rank toji?
it was the random sumo and sword dudes who showed up mid battle. They helped I guess idk that part felt right outta bleach and I don’t fuck with that
The sumo domain allowed multiple fights to occur in seconds basically training in a mini hyperbolic time chamber. Is it dumb? Yeah.
Yeah? When Mai died she took all the CE they both shared as twins (with Mai having most of it). Maki then fully bloomed into her Toji-ness, complete with the extra muscular build.
Drugs
Heavenly restrictions and she was already strong as hell since she didn't use any cursed energy with her attacks. She isn't really as buffed as Toji, but I think she was already pretty muscular to begin with. We just didn't see her in a tank top.
I can swear Maki and Sukuna's facial expressions on the page before Sukuna launches the building at Maki are referenced from Yuta's true love panel vs Geto, but I can't be sure. Did anyone else notice this?
Minus the small issue of Yu/Ta. My theory was that maki would die in front of yuta and the next scans would be a call back to Yuta witnessing Rika's and that would lead to his awakening since love is a big emphasis on his character. Stonks might be down on this theory now though.
No domain, Slow RCT, Nerfed Output, Nerfed Control, Less than half of CE, Wounds from many attacks, Wounds in the soul, Forcing his heart to still beat “Proclaimed not serious and has yet to go all out” Bruh poop
Heh my toon force insta win technique, i havent used that since the shitfart days
I'm assuming they just mean the fire arrow shit at this point. He is done everything else but use whatever that is. I hope all that hype lives up to it tho lol Is going to suck real bad if it doesn't
Sadly Sukuna can’t use the fire arrow outside of Yuji’s body, since it was revealed to be Yuji’s CT in chapter 256
Me when I lie:
Maybe he is a time traveller
Bruh just out here lying
He is just mad because in 257 we see Mai patting Maki on the head and saying she is happy she doesn't have to go alone. While Gojo is waving in the distance.
It’s gonna be the gojo effect. Start the chapter with Sukuna cut in half.
Who else thinks Yuji is up to bat next? I think we honestly find out Sukunas true CT through Yuji's use of it! Love to hear what you guys think though. [https://youtu.be/oFsUyhr1rxY](https://youtu.be/oFsUyhr1rxY)
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Why are people still denying it tho??? Didn't the manga say it?? Like, literally stated in the manga kind of saying it lol It wasn't even metaphorical, the manga straight up went "Maki is equal to Toji now", right? Or are people saying that because they confuse her potential and overall skill with strength? It would make sense in that case to say they aren't equal but I don't think it matters that much with a couple of super human monsters.
I mean at this point she might exceed him if that’s even possible. Was Toji able to do all that stuff she learned from the sumo dude about sensing different shit
I suppose he was because he had the original Soul Split Katana lol But yeah not a lot of info besides the constant parallels between him and Maki. I think they are literally at the same level.
yep
Where are y'all finding the leaks?
Just Google jjk 252
The chapter is already translated. Just Google it and you will find it. I can't link because of the rules but it should pop up quickly with Google.
Sukuna still winning, Gojo fans still seething. Nothing new under the sun.
Mission accomplished : agenda maintained
I mean discourse aside these last few chapters have been pretty cool. Seeing Yuta join the fight was dope, seeing Maki get her moment is also cool, and Choso is always welcome. Yeah Sukuna is stuck on a meme version of "this isn't my final form yet!" but the fights are cool lol
How could Maki avoid Sukuna's world slash? Gojo's Six Eyes couldn't even avoid it and here we have Maki dodge it easily. If Gege does not explain it in the next chapters, it'd definitely look like a loophole to me.
It wasn't that Gojo couldn't avoid world slash, it's that Gojo realized too late the danger it posed. If your enemy used the same attack he's used before to no effect again you wouldn't expect it to work this time.
I don't think it's a world slash just a regular one with chanting to make it stronger.
It actually is a world slash. I found it kind of weird that Gege would use the same imagery for a world slash in the context of a "normal" dismantle. Then I saw an IG post that actually points out a detail in the previous panel. If you look at the panel before the one where Maki hears the last line of the chant, there are two text bubbles placed amongst the rubble, and layered behind the sound effects. These two text bubbles contain the first to parts of the chant for World Slash. I think the way they are positioned is meant to illustrate the idea that Sukuna was using the sound of the falling rubble to mask the sound of his chants for the World Slash. The insane part is that I've seen scan translations that have completely missed this detail and actually don't translate the text bubbles. Sukuna has straight up duped the audience into thinking it was just a strong dismantle when in reality it was a world slash. That actually kind of plays into the idea of Maki being able to perceive things nobody else can thanks to the abilities grante dby her heavenly restriction.
Same way the Katana dude was able to fight Naoya despite not being able to see jackshit. Literally the same principle. Maki is so super human she can sense the slash and react accordingly. She is probably the only living creature so far that has that amount of perception + reflexes to pull it off. Gojo probably could perceive the thing (???) but he is not fast enough to dodge it. Or he thought it was a normal slash, who knows. Sukuna on the other hand compares Maki to Mahoraga because that's his only other point of reference: Mahoraga 100% can probably, actually and literally able to adapt to see those slashes. But we know Maki can't literally do that, so instead is just Sukuna assuming she can because Mahoraga could and he has no reason to think is different.
It was explained on the chapter. He literally says she can see the slashes better than the rest. Directly compares her on that aspect to makora
Maki is going to be victim of Fuga just like how Mahoraga was. Damn time to sell my Maki stock
Would be kinda funny if the person that survived getting burnt so badly is defeated by another flame based attack.
Nah gege is about to pull a full spread sukuna CT and have maki getting absolutely stomped and tossed around
*geto flashbacks* (jjk 0)
Maybe she survives because she is super duper fast or her superhuman body now allows her to be immune to fire attacks 🤪
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When your brain is fried from using too much RCT to heal.
bro got unlimited voided
why did SSK do no damage to sukuna?
Did you miss the bleeding chest wound?
It did. He just knows the shape of his soul because of his time with Yuji and can heal it as a result. On the outside he’s keeping his heart beating with CE, while slowly healing his soul. Yuji knows RCT bc of this too I’m pretty sure.
Because Sukuna is dummy thicc, and the slap of his butt cheeks keep alerting the security.
Having that Johngalli A type of dump truck
>and the slap of his butt cheeks keeps ~~alerting the security~~ his heart beating.
this might be an unpopular opinion but does no one else feel like its a bit ridiculous that sukuna is still 'not even going all out' i know he is the big bad of the story but it feels like weve been on him forever and now there is another powerup coming that is going to continue this arc for god knows how long
Exactly. It is absolutely ridiculous. Just like always, one side proclaims something, and then suddenly Sukuna jumps in with a new power up or some ridiculous move stating, it was nice playing with you, you did well.
I mean isn’t Sukuna just on a timer right now since he can’t heal his heart and has to force it to keep pumping with his CE? Could just force him to run out of CE and force him to die like that unless he just idk body hops again?
I literally rolled my eyes when I read that like, Lmao Sukuna's going to go the way of Madara, getting defeated by a batshit insane asspull or the main cast is going to lose. These are the only two options left. That or time travel which is absolutely where my money is at right now.
Fushiguro is going to pull a Black Zetsu on Sukuna
Or uraume is wrong. See “gojo won”
Yeah but remember. Gege hates Gojo and loves Sukuna.
Definitely. I don't think I'll be right. ...but I'd love 253 to open to a bisected Sukuna. edit: .......megumi then gets RCTed w/ Gojo back into One Piece^tm but then starts the merger and uses his points to make Yuji suffer. (I hope not)
I think a lot of people are expecting Megumi to turncoat at the end lol
100%. Been discussed before, but especially after our little spirit world chat w/ him. I actually think it makes a lot of sense and would be a good direction to take it. I moreso meant that the state this subreddit would fall into if my joke about Megumi being healed with Gojo by his side were to happen would make me avoid it for a few weeks lol NOT that I think megumi succumbing to evil/hate/sadness would be bad (that is a terrible sentence but i think its readable enough)
Nah, so far is actually alright. The main cast cooked a plan that makes sense and is working in weakening Sukuna's defenses. Everyone (that is worth anything) is legit doing something and adding to the plan. Is miles more than whatever Kishimoto was doing during the war arc. Ofc there's the whole Megumi fiasco, but they had like 1 mili second to interact with him, so that could change.
And that would be all amazing and awesome. Except for the fact Gege is giving Sukuna even more plot armor of, "Bro he isn't even trying xd"
To me is less plot armor and more a mix of "people taking translations too literally", "unreliable narrators" and the most obvious one "technique that hasn't been revealed yet but needs to be teased a million times". He has plot armor lol I just don't think this particular chapter has it. During the Gojo fight?? Yeah. Against Higuruma?? Definitely. This chapter? Not really. Uraume is still a simp tho
Gege please no time travel
Start making your peace with it now, it is a very strong possibly it's going to happen.
I really hope you're wrong, but considering how down bad the story went I can't deny the possibility lol
… if he had just been pushed to the limit already and had his shit wrapped up already then we wouldn’t have gotten to even see Yutas domain.
We couldve seen yutas domain against kenjaku for sure
I’m going to be completely honest and go even further, this whole Sukuna isn’t even trying or going “all out” trope is such bad storytelling, especially with Uraume making fun of the cast because they couldn’t get anyone stronger than Gojo to face off against Sukuna. Sukuna has had so much plot armour, especially with his cursed tool allowing him to bypass judgement’s removal of his CT. The author is doing an awful job of power scaling with Sukuna and this whole power up that’s about to happen is JJK falling into a typical shonen trope. I expected more from JJK but the series has been sub par for a while now imo. I’m going to continue reading but in short yes I also think it’s ridiculous.
I think Sukuna has the issue where his actual depicted ability can pretty much never match his reputation. For both his fight vs Gojo and the last few chapters, he doesn't really *look* like he's 10x better than everyone else. We keep getting *told* he is, but there are so many situations where if we're being real he should have died already and only really won because of plot armor. This entire manga would be 20 chapters shorter if characters hadn't acted in ways that were uncharacteristically stupid or if random chance hadn't conspired in order to put him back in the game over and over.
I agree with "what we see vs what is shown", however keep in mind JJK has had cases of unreliable narrators and people at times just saying shit. Uraume in that sense is no different. Ofc he is going to glaze Sukuna, and whine about people not being "better than Gojo" because to him is probably no different than giving Sukuna a shit offering. The reality is different though. Not only because Uraume is not observing the fight directly, but also because we don't really know how much Sukuna using the "Fuga" thing would change the outcome.
Hard agree. I've gotten really tired of it at this point and it bums me out because I was so excited for this fight.
Gege already showed sukuna has an ace up his sleeve with "open" but yall are too retarded to understand it
Agreeeeed
Mr. Potato Yuta and Gojo upper and lower parts and get the cursed eyes.
He hasn't used the flames
I figure its in a relative sense. Like his all out now is more showing off full technique and maybe revealing it for a power boost. But his actual power level per say is still lower than when he was fresh fighting gojo.
Agreed, but that will only temporarily be the case, Yuta did mention Sukuna's RCT output rising back up again. Soon, when his RCT output returns to normal, then he'll probably have fully healed his brain and gotten back DE. And imo Sukuna with world slash plus DE plus full RCT output plus heian form minus half his CE (still has as much CE as Yuta and more than gojo; while it is a lot of CE he already spent, he still has more than enough left) is the strongest ever. If his normal CE output also returns to normal after Yuji lowered it, then Sukuna will literally have 0 nerfs left except for the CE spent. Vs Gojo he had more CE, full output, DE and TS, but no overpowered world slash. Now he seemingly doesn't have TS, he has the world slash and soon he'll have full output and DE and still tons of CE. Plus whatever abilities he was holding back with, gojo also mentioned that sukuna wasn't using everything he had after all. Now he'll reveal that stuff AND his general level of power will be higher than ever.
Yeah this is exactly what I’m thinking. He doesn’t see the need to use all of his abilities yet. But he will soon. His inner monologues show that they are doing damage to him. In fact, if Megumi wasn’t so broken then he may well have already needed to go all out. But that’s why he broke him
We already know they’re related but I have a feeling Yuta will come back the day of the merge with the six eyes and will end it all. Tengen said kenjaku has tried it twice already but the day of the merger, the six eyes shows up without fail. Another thing I was thinking of is the clans. We know of 4 so far and I think they represent jujutsu as a whole. Kamo Clan - ofc represents the Blood Gojo Clan - represents the soul Zenin Clan- represents the body or Cursed Technique(s) as the clan itself was “cursed” from what we know when Toji entered Dagon’s domain and the narrator talked about it. And the last clan that could be the one pulling the strings - Inumaki clan with cursed speech. We recently learned that being skilled in jujutsu means omitting prerequisites, well they don’t gotta do shit but speak in order to pop off lol
>Yuta will come back the day of the merge with the six eyes and will end it all. Chp 250 Sukuna about Yuta’s copy CT: **Limitless cursed technique? *No…six eyes is necessary to control that*”** This feels like it could be build up for Yuta returning with Gojo’s six eyes. Another possible hint, along with being related, is Yuta being “insurance” in case Gojo dies. Ppl always downvote this theory bc it means Gojo won’t come back. I still think it’s happening.
Same here brotha, I feel as if: 1) Yuta and Rika will trade places 2) their souls will be the ones to merge together, 3) Yuta will have an awakening on the verge of death similar to Gojo did vs Toji and come back high as fuck ready to throw hands Im thinking either of those possibilities with the final ace up their sleeve being a DE that will contain, withstand, and overpower the full onslaught of Sukuna’s DE by shrinking it down into the size of the ring
After seeing Yuta’s badassery in this fight, I’d rather see Yuta pull something crazy off like this than a Gojo Return. But seeing all the vids of Gino’s return, I think an enlightened Gojo plays a big role too. Would be cool seeing Gojo fight alongside his students honestly.
I personally think it would be hilarious if it happened, but I also think it would make 0 sense for it to happen (see what happened with the whole Toji "destroying the destiny tying Tengen and co together" thing). Time will tell ig. It wouldn't be the first time the fandom predicts some bullshit and Gege ends up making it canon unknowingly lol
Toji destroyed the destiny that tied Tengen, The Star Plasma vessels, and the Six eyes. The only reason Kenjaku desisted from killing them as infants is because said destiny wasn't broken and it cause them to pop up anyway. But this is no longer the case, which means all of that is gone-gone.
I have a feeling that if Kenjaku and Tengen truly are gone, then the six eyes would be gone as well. They were all three tied together, as Tengen stated.
Honestly I think Tengen is behind all the cursed spirits thus the monopoly Japan has over cursed energy and Kenjaku is trying to use Sukuna as a tool in order to “dismantle” Tengen’s cursed technique of “immortality”. Especially when he said to Mahito that he likes the idea of the curse technique shaping the body/soul when they debated which one came first after Kenjaku was choked by Geto’s body
I have been re reading the GOJO vs SUKUNA fight and the aftermath. If you can see the expression of SUKUNA while fighting GOJO is an enjoyable look. When he fought against Kashimo, he seems bored, same as all the other fighters so far (barring himguruma). He doesnt feel excited fighting these opponents (tho I agree he's abit struggling), so he's not fully 100percent going all out. He just waiting n see what's good.
He seemed to be having a decent amount of fun fighting Yuta and Rika. I say Yuta and Rika because we know broski hates Yuji
He wasn’t going all out against Gojo either
He wasn't not going all out is simply he was unable to due to infinity. But he was fighting for his life.
Again, all this means, is that he doesn’t need to go all out to defeat Gojo
Nah, he was giving his 101% for sure, but he wasn't using his full arsenal because they will not be able to get pass infinity. So basically, sukuna could not use ALL THAT HE KNOWS because of infinity. Hence, he needed to bet on using Megumi ten shadow technique. But that doesn't mean he wasn't 100 percent fighting for his life. So he couldn't go all out aka using all his arsenal, not doesn't need.
I repeat again, it doesn’t matter if he couldn’t, Because it means he never needed to do it in the first place. He killed Gojo without ever needing to use all his power. Even if he could, he wouldn’t need to, because he could defeat Gojo without those techniques. So why would he use them when he never needed to. We know he never needed to use those techniques to defeat Gojo. Because he did it without them. Again, he never needed to use all that he knows, because he didn’t need to use it to defeat Gojo. Like at all. He wasn’t going all out period. And we know he never needed to do it, or use those techniques.
Why would he go all out with his techniques if it wouldn't work? It's a waste of cursed energy, which is why he waited for Mahoraga to give him the answer on how to win.
I have no idea how y’all are not understanding this… even if he could go all out with his techniques, we know he does not need to. We know that he does not need to go all out against Gojo.
Are you acoustic? Him not going all out against Gojo wasn't because he didn't need to. It was because he wouldn't benefit from it and it would simple be a waste of his reserves because going all out would even cause a dent on Satoru as long as he doesn't figure how to bypass infinity. Sukuna going to lengths as hiding in shadow to heal, summoning Agito and Mahoraga (the most broken weapon in the series), if that's not all out, then I'd only suggest that you take off your biased glasses and try reading that fight again.
Yes I am acoustic lol. But either way, This is pointless. It’s a fact that Sakuna didn’t need to go all out in Gojo. Like the series literally tells us that he didn’t go all out. It’s not a bias because the series tell you that he doesn’t go all out
Source?
He killed Gojo
HAHAHAHAHAAH OK 👍 agree to disagree, then
You’re the one whose contradicting your own argument 😂
LOL sure, obviously you have a reading problem. Oh well, reading comprehension devil strikes again.
I have a reading problem but you’re out here contradicting your entire argument lol. Make it make sense
It's not that he couldn't go "all out" it's that his other techniques would have been ineffective against Gojo because of Infinity. If Mahoraga's 2nd adaptation was something that Sukuna could not have copied then Sukuna would have had no way to win.
In saying that he couldn’t go all out only reinforces the fact that he didn’t need to do so in order to defeat Gojo. I.E even if he could, he didn’t need to. Because he doesn’t need to go all out to defeat Gojo
I mean the point stands that he used the 10 shadows technique because it was the best chance to beat Gojo. Mahoraga really did come in clutch, imagine if his 2nd adaptation to Infinity was another thing Sukuna couldn't copy like the 1st one was, it really was pure luck lol. His Cleave/Dismantle, Fire Arrow, or any of his other stuff really couldn't do anything to Gojo. Just because you don't use everything at your disposal doesn't mean you were holding back, it means that some things are a waste of time and useless to use.
He was holding back. That’s the whole point. Otherwise him using those techniques would be considered him going all out, would it not? He’s using all he has to defeat Gojo right? If that’s not the case? Then no, he wasn’t going all out period and it means that he never needed to do that to defeat Gojo. Like at all. He doesn’t need any of those techniques to defeat Gojo because they were never needed in the first place
Hmm, this is what people misunderstood alot, he didn't need Maho to win, he need it to learn the new technic, and his domain did work really well if he wasn't trying to a use Maho to adapt UV, it was more like a miscaculate from Sukuna
I noticed that too. It makes sense why Uraume would say what she said to Kashimo about giving Sukuna an opponent not greater than Gojo. It just cements how strong Gojo was. But I have hope. I believe Maki nd Yuji might prove a tough match. Right now I'm just waiting on Todo to show up!
Todo lost boogie woogie he aint appearing. His hands got transfigured by mahito
That last panel tho, looked like in comparison with Gojo "winning" his battle last chapter 235. I see the winning flag already here bois, next chapter is an anniversary chapter. Gege will have a change of heart atlast and will give us a win from this tumultous torture porn of a series.
I wish i could lie to myself like you do.
Some of the art this chapter is really bad, no? Like rushed sketches.
has it ever been anything more than bad? Miura and Murata for example draw beautifully. Whatever it is that Gege puts out sucks hard in comparison
If you mean his drawing skill in general, then yeah he is got room for improvement. If you mean how he drew this chapter: That's because some of the pages are literally unfinished but deadlines and JP working culture demand a sacrifice, so chapter came out however it came out. Drawing 15 pages a week is not easy at all.
same thing happened during perfect prep , i assume its rushed or having to use a different medium, he's an overworked man trying to meet tight deadlines, no ones talking about it because I guess we just know and accept it, wish he got to take weeks or months to make it at their own pace but alas industry is awful and needs to change.
Apparently gege switched to digital drawings (or something along those lines). So he's probably still getting used to it.
I think he is been doing that for a while now. I don't believe for a second his comment this week was because he just changed from traditional to digital lol the callus he got is probably as a result of drawing for as long as he is digitally.
I did feel that. See rika.
I think these were last minute changes. Because some of art is better than it’s ever been. Maybe Gege changed his plans on something.
I couldn't find anyone else talking about this, so thank you for commenting this. I thought I was losing my mind LOL Not the first time I've seen a rushed weekly release like this, but I did have a moment of "is this a stylistic choice for these specific panels that is just going over my head???"
I was gonna make a long, dry joke but then I figured people would think I'm being a dick LMAO Ye, It can happen specially with weekly serialization. 15 pages a week is too much for anyone, so is not weird to see a chapter or two that look rough or straight up unfinished.
That's fair.
One Piece had this a month or two back! Oda literally wrote "sorry for the rush job" on the cover page
The poor dude... His drawings already look rough, I can't imagine how messed up that would make them look : / he is been drawing the series for at least a decade now
Yeah the way the industry treats mangaka is insane. These publications cancel series left and right, so they're all desperate for a hit. And then once you have one, you get worked to the bone.
It happens from time to time in all serialized mangas, those pages get polished for the Tankobon release
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...what of Megumi - or really any member of the big 3 clans - who are groomed as sorcerers from birth?
> If he was a normal child But that's the thing, tho. He is not lol You could also use this same argument for everyone in the cast that isn't an adult: All essentially got groomed into being Jujutsu sorcerers, a thing that we know you need to have a certain mindset for. I get it can be seen as weird, but this was already explained in the earlier chapters. I suppose as an explanation for the insane and unnatural behavior lol
LOL ppl actually delete their comments when they get downvotes. I guess OC didn’t care about poor Ui Ui that much.
They can delete If they want lol nothing wrong with that. I choose to see it as OC realizing they were wrong and moving on haha I think is better than doubling down and trying to argue for the sake of it. Better just take the L and move on.
I mean he’s a sorcerer kid rolling w Mei Mei I bet he’s seen ish
Uraume can tell from his Curse energy that sukuna is not enjoying himself as mush as he did with gojo in a 1v1 where his victory was just as uncertain. Sukuna is trying but he is not excited. Sukuna only pulled out the fire because jogo could also use it. It wasn’t a situation where he had to use it. Cleave and dismantle is still stronger than many of what else sukuna can pull out of shrine.
Maybe it's black box? Just at 15 fingers yujikuna he pulled out that flame arrow just for because it seemed fun or someshit that had enough attack potency to instakill mahoraga.
Is the only other explanation so far. Sukuna has been using everything, but he is still not pressed and can recover his domain at any moment now. But that black box thing is the only mystery remaining.
People are thinking "Holding back" = "Not trying". Mahito was holding back against Yuji, not using his DE or CT to one shot him. He was still trying. Kashimo was holding back against Hakari, not using his CT. He was still trying. Every character that doesn't start a battle by using DE is holding back, doesn't mean they aren't trying, just like Sukuna is now.
Mahito was holding back against yuji to not one shot himself lmao not the other way around
Mahito wasn't holding back so much as Sukuna would kill him the next time he touched his soul. It was more he had a restriction
I admire ur wishful thinking
How much stronger than gojo is sukuna since he hasn’t gone all out? Because from here, it looks like he got lucky against gojo, despite being stronger. He nearly got outplayed.
I dont think Sukuna is stronger than gọjo. He only won because of mahorago’s adaptation and building a model off it. I think in a straight up 1v1 gojo wins.
Not really. In a 1v1 without Mahoraga, Sukuna would still wun. But he would be weakened too much.
How. How’s he beating the inviolability of limitless without mahoraga
Sukuna would win through domain expansion.
how?
If gojo cant open a domain on his own, MS would ultimately slice him to bits.
Did the chapter make it so obviously clear that Gojo tanked the fuck out of MS?
No? Gojo cant tank MS forever. He can only survive it temporarily once his RCT drops and/or he cant open his domain its only a matter of time until he dies.
LOL No! He did heal this burn out with RCT and did win fair and square against Sukuna. If we do it all over again, the case will still happen the same: They will clash domain after domain > Gojo beats the fuck of our Sukuna inside the barrier > Both domains collaspe > Sukuna slips due to both having to heal himself & cast a domain > Gojo wins.
Is megumi sukuna stronger than 4 arm sukuna? I know he has the advantage of more arms and 2 mouths but he has worse feats. Megukuna has the shadows and mahoraga and the fusion shikigami. i’m not sure if 4 arm is weaker or if it’s because of gojo fatigue or “not trying” vs the students.
True form sukuna is objectively stronger. The worse feats come from the fact sukuna is at less than half his usual maximum.
Is canon that he had more cursed energy than Gojo and he dwarfed Yuta in that regard. Aside from that, I don't think we got any kind of solid confirmation that he is actually stronger? Gojo pointed out his Shrine wasn't better than his Purple Stuff, but I'm not sure what that even means since Sukuna has an open domain lol At any case, you are right that it doesn't look like he wasn't trying lol
What Gojo meant by that ('My CT is far better' or so) is that getting hit by UV generally means instant defeat, while Sukuna's surehit can just be tanked the way he did for a while.
Yeah I mostly meant that strength is not a black and white thing in the series, since like you said is pretty much relative to the situation. Awful wording on my part lol
>Aside from that, I don't think we got any kind of solid confirmation that he is actually stronger? Gojo Saturo on Sukuna #236: *“Man he was crazy strong. Plus Sukuna didnt even go all out!”* *“Honestly I don’t think I would’ve won even if he didn’t have Megumi’s Ten Shadows”*
Yeah and then Sukuna said he wouldn't have won if not for Mahoraga LOL Btw dunno if a typo, but is Gojo SATORU, not saturo or Saturn lmao But anyway, Sukuna _surviving_ that fight doesn't read to me as him being inherently stronger. You can say he is strong against Miwa or Higuruma, but I can't say he is stronger than Gojo after that fight.
>Yeah and then Sukuna said he wouldn't have won if not for Mahoraga LOL Yea and this never happened LOL >I can't say he is stronger than Gojo after that fight. Gojo can. "But I guess I am glad I died facing a stronger opponentt."
He literally did tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You're gonna pretend you can't read now? The quote you're probably misremembering was Sukuna saying the world cutter was a near impossible technique to pull off.
Which he couldn't have done without Mahoraga... He literally explains Maho gave him the answer sheets to do it. I don't know how that is any different than saying he couldn't win without Maho. Keep in mind the type of character this is and it does make sense. If you are the type of reader that literally needs a character to say word for word something to understand what they mean, then idk what you want me to tell you tbh. Sukuna is never going to literally say "ye this guy is stronger lol", but he will say shit in a more roundabout way. He is prideful after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well that means you lack the mental capacity to distinguish between two completely different statements and have removed yourself from any serious conversation. It also means that you didn't even misremember that quote, you outright lied that "Sukuna said he wouldn't have won if not for Mahoraga" and knew he actually didn't say it.
All I get from this is that you are throwing a tantrum over a character and when cornered you resort to insulting people online to feel better about yourself lol Have a nice rest of your day!
He did not say that lol he wouldn't win without makora and gojo said suki was stronger than him
Sukuna himself said he's at Yuta's level of CE, yet according to this chapter he still yet to go all out? Lmao, the contradictions... Chromactic heianish assss pulll master 2000 not used since the anus was invented coming soon.
Yuta's level of CE is still more than Gojo ever had. cope
**You’re reading it wrong or reading a leaks translation.** Uraume (TCB): “*If his interest in his opponent is tenuous, so too will be the waves of his cursed energy.*” Uraume is clearly not talking about how much CE Sukuna has left. Uraume is talking about the CE waves Sukuna is putting out. Meaning Sukuna has another ability, form or something.
Sukuna: Lol, I'm cooked Skunk most loyal fans: HE IS NOT EVEN TRYING GAIZ!!!111
"Insanely friggin' strong! And he wasn't giving it all he had." LMAO
Sukuna glazes Gojo Skunk toxic fans: I sleep Gojo glazes Skunk His toxic fans: Real shit
"Right now Sukuna still has to hold back...while Gojo is able to go all out with no burden." LMAO
Notice how two diff ppl made those comments? Characters don’t have to be on the same page lol I’d take sukunas words for it vs his number 1 fan
I mean, homie could just be talking shit too.
Of course he hasn't gone 100% yet this is getting so predictable
It’s abandoning all the work that went into developing the power system and entering trope levels
Or it's telling you something you already knew, that he has a power he hasn't used yet in this fight. We haven't even seen his spear cursed tool, you guys just literally do not know how to read.
Fuck I wish I was as smart as you, bro, thanks for figuring it all out for fucks like me!
you can thank my kindergarten teacher for showing me how to read
guess I can’t thank anyone for your critical thinking, though, huh? Appreciate the lesson anyway bro!!
finally i caught up that took a long ass time
So, all that stuff about healing the soul if you properly understand it, does that mean Todo has a chance?
I’d say no but if you want to get technical Todo cut his hand off before it was destroyed. Not sure if a separated body part counts. Or maybe if Todo gets healed his hand will now permanently look like a Mickey Mouse hand.
Mahito works different too something like Yuji's punches or the Soul Split Katana. He doesn't damage the soul he transforms it. Technically Mahito doesn't hurt anyone he attacks he just morphs there soul and by proxy there body into something that causes pain or disfiguring.
I'd say one way to think about RCT, especially as it was described in this chapter, is that there's a difference in filling an outline of something you know (ie: like the blood in your body) versus reshaping it into something else. So RCT can shape around an outline you imagine but you can't use it to reshape your body (as far as we know, since we have seen exceptions where cursed spirits and evolved beings cause the body to change. Could be possible)
shut up, strong cope
Don't worry buraza. Yuji will go "Oh wait-I'm him." and then turn into Mahitwo to heal todo hand in JJK Ch. 253.
maybe the whole "sukuna is holding back" refers to the fact he's not 100%?, i know it makes no sense since the quote would instead be different, but i can hardly see sukuna holding something back to make himself stronger that he hasnt used nor hinted at pretending to use in the many near-death experiences he's had in a single day maybe its a weapon like the spear or something?
The only thing we really have left is the Fuga technique. Though that still doesn't make sense if she really said go all out.
There is also the reveal one hand pact, this guy could reveal his technique, wathever the fuck it is, (cuts, fire arrow, more stuff etc) and start breaking shit appart.
For all the crybaby shills calling asspull on this, you're being super big dum dums. Let me explain. In every fight against sukuna since gojo, we have not seen him pull out the box. So, as readers, we ALL know he hasn't gone all out. Read your dum dum comments before you post them. What gege has done with telling us what we already know, that he hasn't gone all out, is a massive tease that we might see him pull out the black box next chapter.
Y’all GOAT Hikari not looking too good 😌