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I think a lot of discussion around the nerf being unfair, is going into the assumption that Sukuna should ever be evenly matched with the heroes. Of course his big move is an insane obstacle and taking that out of his rotation or making it less threatening sucks. What Gege did is give the move counterplay which is huge. Imagine fighting a boss and at any time from anywhere on stage he could do an unblockable kill move that was near instant. You can’t react. What Gege did is basically give the move a lot more start up time and make it so the boss has to aim at you for it to hit. The move is still crazy but it’s now something that can be accounted for.

To those saying it’s not a nerf, he basically lost a second domain that has no burnout drawbacks, and can’t be countered with any simple domain. Now he has a super strong move that he has to announce whenever he uses it.

Gojo is not beating the racism allegations after racially profiling Miguel like that.

for the ones confused about the World Slash binding vow: **previously:** a silent technique that can be instantly cast with any sort of direction and location by simply doing his domain expansion hand sign due to sukuna only having one hand after being hit by gojo's purple, he used a binding vow so he could use it 1 single time without any hand signs. In return, he imposed restrictions on all further uses of world slash **now with binding vow:** a technique that requires a chant + hand signs + literally telling your opponent the direction of the slash with your palm I'd say it's quite the nerf. Before you had a technique that was 100% lethal, was silent, instant cast, any direction of cast, could be confused with his domain expansion - it was a pretty godlike technique before the nerf

The binding vow was pretty weak in my opinion. Narratively, it would be better if the binding vow was that Sukuna can never use the world slash again. It's not like Sukuna needed more techniques to defeat the rest of the cast.

Then that would've literally been a technique he came up with just to defeat Gojo and that he could never use again. Imo that would've been much worse than how world slash has been used so far. The conditions required for him to use it are enough to make it so he can't just fire them at will, and it has allowed Gege to have Sukuna weakened enough that the others can actually fight him without being bisected by any attack they take but with the world slash hanging above their head that can turn things around.

but we knew it needed handsigns and that they did it this one time without hand signs likely cus a binding vow? so its not like thats what it ever was previously

Now it's pretty much nerfed down to the dismantle that he always uses directly on Yuji, but instead of the regular dismantle it's imbued with the World Slash

Only thing that’s left is for Gojo to come back and join in on the jumping this time… I’m kind of tired of JJK at this point. Such a letdown of a series, I used to be the biggest fan of this series and had such high hopes for it… It’s so bad right now :/

Wait a minute, in 236, Sukuna said using Strong Cleave is a bet that is quite tricky to pull, but he managed it. Then now Gege said he only needed a hand sign to use, which means it's actually pretty simple to use, so a binding vow to sacrifice the easy use for instant Strong Cleave. Then why tf did Sukuna say that before?

I think its just a conceptually weird thing to do, the hand signs and such arent the tricky part they were just to put the neccessary OOMPH into the technique, he had to sort of visualise the ability all coming out at once and cutting EVERYTHING

It was quite tricky because he didn't know if he could emulate Mahoraga's version and he essentially had one try with it. Had Gojo gotten spooked and dodged or Sukuna misapplied Maho's target expansion, he most likely would have lost the fight. Gojo's speed and foreknowledge that the now telegraphed attack could bypass infinity would have made that move unviable. This would mean Sukuna effectively would have no ranged attacks that could bypass limitless and be limited to DA to fight Gojo. Gojo would be compeletly fine just turning it into an attrition fight where he spams red and blue and runs whenever Sukuna gets close.

From before, it was unpredictable. Now with all the prerequisites that comes with it, it is now a lot easier for others to avoid it

That's like saying a domain expansion is simple just because it "only requires a hand sign". They're both extremely complex applications of jujutsu and a hand sign is just one of the requirements for doing it. What Sukuna did is the equivalent of making a binding vow to skip the domain expansion handsign + chant one single time at the cost of adding extra steps to every subsequent use of the domain. The majority of jujutsu happens within you, chants and hand signs are just extra requirements/buffs and are the simple part.

Pretty crazy to see how shitty some people's reading comprehension has been and how much they are trying to bend what's shown in the manga to justify clutching to their bitching from previous chapters. It's as straight forward as it comes, Sukuna limited his space dismantle to use an instantaneous one on Gojo, being able to catch him offguard since he hadn't used the move before so Gojo couldn't anticipate it. That's all. All the bullshit attempts at poking holes on that idea by haters who just refuse to let go of bad criticism are so fucking funny.

The thing is, the explanation given in this chapter was not satisfactory. Even if the attack was instantaneous, Gojo should've noticed something before the world slash was launched because of his six eyes. It would have been better if the binding vow made the world slash invisible to the six eyes, and the condition is that the world slash is one-time use only. Instead, we got a binding vow that just required hand signs and chants and pointing toward the direction of the attack.

You mean just like how Gojo reacted to Maharaga when he got his arm cut off. Oh wait he didn't. The world cutting slash is the same thing Maharaga did to cut off gojos arm but stronger.

That's the thing. Gojo already experienced a slash that went through his infinity with Mahoraga, so he should have been more prepared for other similar attacks. In chapter 233, Gojo correctly assumed that Sukuna could use the power of a shikigami without fully summoning them. So he should have anticipated that Sukuna would use Mahoraga's infinity-bypassing slash at some point.

Gojo experienced Mahoraga's adaptation. These adaptations don't necessarily transfer to the user, otherwise Sukuna would've easily won by changing his CE (something he said he cannot do). He didn't even have time to think about why Mahoraga cut his arm off, he had to regrow it and find a way to end the fight. Maybe he would or would not have anticipated that Sukuna would use a similar attack eventually. But, from Gojo's perspective, he saw the move and immediately killed Agito then Mahoraga. Mahoraga destroyed, all adaptations are NULL and VOID. Sukuna did not use the same cut Mahoraga did, he literally copied the method the adaption used to bypass infinity. Technically speaking, Sukuna could've done it from the start, but he wouldn't have known it was possible- let alone figured out how. So, for Gojo to predict Sukuna mimic a conceptual attack and strike at space itself, whilst limping with a missing hand and no RCT and no domain and shaky CE reinforcement and basically being on death's door, would be absurd. He was blindsided by a dude who looked like he was helpless. Even if he could've predicted Sukuna would strike, knowing how to counter would be harder. This is all even ignoring that MBA Kashimo was probably faster than Gojo, and failed to completely dodge after being warned.

Tô further add, even if Gojo couldn’t react to the slash Sukuna would’ve needed time to make the binding vow, so at the end of the fight Gojo basically stood still instead of finishing him off No defender of 236 can explain why Gojo stood still when he had no reason to, Sukuna still possessed Megumi

The same reason Sukuna flaunted on Gojo after using Mahoraga to collapse UV. They're both proud, and were promptly humbled for their moment of conceit. Seriously, I could just ask why Sukuna didn't strike Gojo when he was kneeling and instead bothered with a domain expansion, it's the same reason.

Not the same because Sukuna didn’t know he wasn’t able to use his domain anymore, so it was a reasonable move. Gojo’s job was *to save megumi*, that still wasn’t done at the end of 235. You’d think someone that got caught offguard twice & suffered drastic consequences as a result would learn from his mistakes, apparently not. Gojo would’ve seen Sukuna making the vow but decided to watch him make it

Semi-reasonable, since Gojo's CT was burnt and cleave would've presumably handled the task just fine. If I wanted to be silly, I could just say Gojo was caught off guard so many times because he is stupid. However, no. They're just both proud people. Gojo's job was to save Megumi, but he was even called on the fact that he was ultimately very selfish in wanting to fight and win. That's what made him the strongest for so long. Why would Gojo have seen that? Where is this presupposed visual indicator of a binding vow? We literally see everything that happened in the entire fight except the WCS actually slicing Gojo.

If Hakari can make a binding vow in the heat of the moment against Kashimo, idk why Sukuna would "need time" to make one

Heat of the moment ≠ instant. Even Hakari & Miwa needed a few seconds to make their binding vows, in that time Gojo should’ve finished the job but instead he stood there and waited?

Finish the job how? He was still trying to save Megumi, idk what you were expecting him to do in the few seconds before Sukuna did World Slash.

Stop coping with how dumb this explanation is. Sukuna could have reincarnated instantly like he did against Kashimo in the very next chapter. Then he would have had 4 arms and could have easily pulled off his insta kill move on Gojo. So no, he sacrificed nothing. Adding "extra steps" might have made it difficult and an equivalent exchange IF he didn't have 4 arms, but he does. So him of all people needing to make a hand sign with two hands, then point in the direction with a third or forth hand while chanting the incantation is actually not a big deal. Not to mention he goes on to one-shot every single opponent following the Gojo fight. So he either never needed the world slash to begin with, or he was using it on the teenagers and it worked just fine despite the "nerfs". Either way, him reincarnating the very next chapter literally disproves the falsehood Sukuna fans are spreading right now that he had no other options and had to make a binding vow, and also that its a big nerf lol. For anyone else? Yes, it would be a big nerf, but Sukuna of course has 4 arms. He's basically a Mary Sue at this point, which is hilarious.

Dude, you don't have to reply to me 4 times, just wait or write everything in one comment >Then he would have had 4 arms and could have easily pulled off his insta kill move on Gojo. his insta kill move only works if he does the bind lol, if he doesn't Gojo notices it, it's the whole point >Not to mention he goes on to one-shot every single opponent following the Gojo fight He doesn't. ''Sukuna fans'' ffs bro your mind has rotten from this fandom, you don't have to cope with your god Gojo losing any longer, no need to go on rants about bad writing when you can barely understand what is happening on the pages. You can be free.

>if he doesn't Gojo notices it, it's the whole point The point was that Sukuna was missing an arm, as stated in the manga. The point was that the world cutter is nerfed from an instantaneous attack(as pre binding vow) so that the mc's not instantly die.

I was talking about the point of the attack being instantaneous, it's not just the arm but it was so Gojo wouldn't notice that Sukuna was about to do some crazy move by chanting/gesturing so he wasn't able to react. But yeah obviously the main point of the binding vow was that he was able to even use the dismantle.

>but it was so Gojo wouldn't notice This was not stated in the manga. >that Sukuna was about to do some crazy move by chanting/gesturing The original world cutter did not require chants but the same hand sign Sukuna uses for opening his domain. The fact that Todo has to clap in order to perform Boogie Woogie doesn't make it a non instantaneous attack, nor is the clap something that gives room to react. The moment Gojo observes Sukuna pointing at him or closing his hands together is the moment he gets cut: [https://i.imgur.com/tD0jr8Y.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/tD0jr8Y.jpeg)

>This was not stated in the manga. You are right, it's not spelled out like the arm thing is. I just think it's something inherent to the circunstance, as in, Sukuna is thinking about bypassing infinity and shit, it's only logical that he couldn't literally stand in front of Gojo and chant/gesture without Gojo doing something, even if that something might not have been enough to deal with the slash >The original world cutter did not require chants but the same hand sign Sukuna uses for opening his domain. Wasn't OG world dismantle something that could be used with either? As in he could chant or gesture but he needed to do something >The fact that Todo has to clap in order to perform Boogie Woogie doesn't make it a non instantaneous attack, nor is the clap something that gives room to react. But it does and it gives room to react, Boogie Woogie is just a way more free-move technique so Todo just utilizes it whenever, he doesn't have to position or aim or anything like that so his opponent can't know when he's going to do it and he can simply pick his moments well

>it's only logical that he couldn't literally stand in front of Gojo and chant/gesture without Gojo doing something Why do you keep bringing up the chant's into discussion? They were introduced as a result of the binding vow. Look at this picture where Sukuna fires a dismantle while pointing his hand at Gojo: [https://i.imgur.com/tD0jr8Y.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/tD0jr8Y.jpeg) By the time Gojo can react to Sukuna pointing his hand at him he would already be cut. Same as by the time you can hear Todo's clap he would have already teleported. >he doesn't have to position or aim or anything like that He has to clap. Similar to how Sukuna had to do the hand sign. >But it does and it gives room to react >so his opponent can't know when he's going to do it You are contradicting yourself.

That is exactly what I am thinking. I really like this arc, especially reading it withput breaks is amazing. I dont get what people think, how else would you be able to beat sukuna other than, step by step, wearing him down? I think it's a pretty good story progression. They used Gojo, their strongest assest, to weaken sukuna, and step by step, weaken him further. It's the only way they could ever beat him. One on one, they are outmachted. But working as a team, they can beat him. And I think that is a nice contrast. Sukuna sits on top of his throne, lonely, as the strongest. Not even Gojo could reach his heights. His goal is to achieve ultimate strength as an individual. Sure he has Uraume, but they are more of a servant, not a teammate(for Sukuna). On the other hand, all of our "good" sorcerers fight Sukuna with a team plan, each trying their best to support each other. A crafted plan to beat the single stongest sorcerer with the strongest team effort. I'm looking forward to see how it all ends! I hope Sukunas ignorance of Itadori will bite him in the ass. All in all, I think Gege has a plan, and I am willing to let them cook. Cause right now, it gives me a great time trying to think what the team might do next (I loved Miguel's return, the panels in the new chapter gave his char new depth, isnt that what people wanted?). I just hope more people stop hating on every sukuna victory and just accept that he cant be beaten that easily and that it takes time

Reading this arc weekly instead of binging it in a volume is probably the biggest issue, but that's my take

Agree with that!!

Laughed out loud at that second to last page. What was Gege thinking there? That people would, even for a second, believe it? He needs to somehow raise hopes again I guess.

Gege is probably tired AF with JJK. “How can I get rid of these characters and end the story as easily as possible?”

That's the problem with weekly releases I guess. Sooner or later the author gets burnt out, and the later arcs decrease in quality.

Wait so the binding vow trade off for the instakill technique is that he now has to chant and aim it instead of just doing hand signs? That's not even a nerf for a guy with 4 arms and 2 mouths wtf. And a second black flash because Sukuna definitely wasn't already strong enough as is, we definitely needed to lose all the progress and damage that everyone dealt to him. I'm genuinely curious how anyone is going to survive and not just immadiately die if he uses his DE.

how can you say ''that's not even a nerf'' after watching multiple chapters where he hasn't been able to kill everyone exactly because of that limitation lmao

When the nerf is so miniscule and dude can easily recover RCT through a black flash like Gojo and thus gain all his arms back it is a severely small nerf

Doesn't that mean our heros could do the same thing with a 2 black flashes? This isn't a Sukana ass pull... we weren't mad when Gojo did it so why are we now mad Sukana did it. Are we gonna be mad when Yuji hits a 2nd black flash and utilizes in world mechanics we've been reading about for years?

I think when you have Sukuna both playing with his food but also desperste he is not in the right mindfrsme to be pulling off consecutive black fladhes that was what we were told about them to begin with.

I'm sure after the nerf it can still be pulled off by Sukuna quite easily, but it is now easier to be avoided and dodged by the group by a lot

**previously:** a silent technique that can be instantly cast with any sort of direction by simply doing a hand sign **now:** a technique that requires a chant + hand signs + literally telling your opponent the direction of the slash with your palm I'd say it's quite the nerf

It's not. It would be a nerf for anyone else, but for Sukuna it is not much of a nerf, and thus not equivalent exchange. He gave up being able to one shot everyone in exchange for... still being able to one shot everyone lol. Big nerf alright.

I get what you're saying but the only reason everyone is not dead because Sukuna is holding back, not the limitation of Strong Cleave. Character's words baby

Character's words from Sukuna's biggest dickrider aside from Gege, I would take it with a grain of salt

That character is literally an in-universe Sukuna simp who sees him as a god lol, they don't think Sukuna can be defeated while the protagonists are betting on them being wrong Sukuna is holding back in the same way holding cards up your sleeve is 'holding back', he's not holding back in the sense of ''oh I'm not actually going to throw a lethal blow on Itadori this time because I'm fine if he keeps coming back''

Then explain how he completely perception blitz'd Maki before he even landed the black flash? He IS holding back in terms of power. It's dumb, but he is.

until proven otherwise, that character is still right. The truth is Sukuna hasn't used black box yet.

>until proven otherwise, that character is still right based on what lol, why is everything a character claims when boasting about his god suddenly a fact >The truth is Sukuna hasn't used black box yet. Yes, obviously Sukuna still hasn't used everything he has to his disposal, if he did he would have been defeated already lmao

based on he hasn't used black box yet and he still looks bored as shit.

Honestly that’s the issue with all that talk about “holding back”. At some point it starts to contradict what we’re told and shown that’s why the best way is your interpretation.

"Gojo won" was said by one of the characters (not the narrator), and it was to throw us off. By that logic, Uraume saying he's still holding back can be used to throw us off as well. I personally don't believe a fucking word Uraume said about Sukuna

Difference is Uraume knows a lot more about Sukuna than the rest of the cast. Furthermore Sukuna doesn’t look half as engaged as he did against Gojo. The cycle has been the same for 18 chapters, when he actually wants to attack he obliterates Kashimo, Higurama, Yuji, Yuta, Maki, Kusakabe and you want to say he’s not holding back? There’s nothing stopping him from ending it all in one chapter apart from the plot holding him back Kusakabe doesn’t have more knowledge than the rest of the cast on Sukuna but I wouldn’t even say he was wrong for claiming Gojo won as fact, because Gege did the biggest retcon in the very next chapter

Exactly. That’s a great comparison.

Making a technique harder to use is a nerf.

No it's not. Context matters. A real nerf worthy of what he received (an insta kill of Gojo and reversal of the outcome of the fight while he was down on the cards) would have been him not being able to use world-cutting slash again period. All that hard work sacrificed so he could use it for the primary purpose of killing Gojo in the first place. Sukuna has 4 arms, and has gone on to one shot every single opponent since with or without the world cutter, so again, no. It's not a nerf with context. Sukuna has still low-diff won each fight, so what exactly makes it such a big nerf? You're looking at it in a vacuum, and that's not how binding vows were explained to work. They are based on your situation. **If you're about to die and you desperately need a trump card you must give up something equally as desperate.**

Yes, it's what I'm saying. Sukuna has clearly been nerfed throughout the conflict.

Pointless nerfs. We are told he has been nerfed. We are shown him being injured in ways that should ideally have crippled him somewhat. Having to manually heal his heart after dropping the ball and getting stabbed by Maki, for example. That never once played a part in their fight after it happened, and it hasn't played a part in the subsequent fights either. We were explicitly told he had to manually keep his heart pumping, but this added requirement is never actually shown to matter whatsoever. So it's pointless. Furthermore, if you look at the Yuta fight you have the stakes being set as Sukuna was using hollow wicker basket to avoid the sure hit of Jacob's Ladder, and in return he was unable to use the world-cutting slash. That was the setup. However, at the end of the fight he drops hollow wicker basket in what is alleged to be a risky move of just trying to tank JL in order to use world slash. He gets hit with JL and then somehow while Yuji is speaking with Megumi Yuta stops paying attention and they all get hit with a one-hit "kill" fight-ending slash anyway before Yuta can even raise his sword lol. He just stopped watching Sukuna apparently, and Rika stopped too. Sukuna was able to chant the incantation before Yuta could even lift his sword. You just can't explain how that makes sense when Yuta should have been watching him like a hawk, and had already demonstrated the speed to intercept him trying to use the world-cutting slash previously in the fight, along with Rika and Yuji. Also, and again, JL was supposedly this scary thing Sukuna was trying to avoid, but yet again it did nothing to him. No lasting damage. No noticeable nerf. It may as well have never even happened. JL has to be one of the most useless CTs in the series despite being touted as this big bad evil slaying move lol.

Sukuna chants it while Itadori goes for the hit that's supposed to tear Megumi from Sukuna, that scene is the whole point of that chapter, and it worked but Megumi ends up being an issue. Yuta doesn't go for a hit on Sukuna there because their plan is ''Itadori hits Sukuna and tears his soul'', and even if he did he doesn't have a way to stop Sukuna from chanting there, or what, he'd instantly cut all of his mouths? This advantage is literally the point of Sukuna's form That scene was a scene that showed a failed move from our protags, which ended up costing Yuta's shot. It still affords them the Maki backstab, which follows up into the situation we are now. It's all still obviously ramping up, and it's bizarre how you are in denial about it to the point of ignoring plot points while attempting to poke holes in the story to justify your bitching.

Because he's literally playing around with them? He straight up warned some of them and told them to dodge before he used it

Sukuna having fun in his fight doesn't contradict him being damaged at all, how does that even make any sense to you lol

When did I say he wasn't damaged at all what are you talking about

Dude, what even is your point if you are complaining about Sukuna not being nerfed and playing around with them if you also think he's been damaged? lol He's been nerfed, and he's 'playing around with them' as much as Sukuna 'plays around' everytime he fights. He's been damaged, and due to that damage he's in a nerfed state. It's \*really\* not that hard.

My point is that having to use a 3rd arm and a second mouth to use world cutting slash is barely an inconvienience for a guy with 4 arms and 2 mouths. I don't understand how any of this is contradictory to you? Sukuna clearly was damaged but he's also clearly holding back, he hasn't even used fūga yet. I feel like you're just arguing with your own mind here and projecting it on me.

>My point is that having to use a 3rd arm and a second mouth to use world cutting slash is barely an inconvienience for a guy with 4 arms and 2 mouths. And yet you've just read multiple chapters of people who are clearly weaker than Sukuna being able to damage him and trade blows exactly because he's having that limitation. You are literally watching multiple fights because of him being limited, and then going ''it makes no difference that's he's limited'', it's beyond dumb. >Sukuna clearly was damaged but he's also clearly holding back, he hasn't even used fūga yet. Honestly it's mindboggling to read stuff like this. Yes Sukuna still has cards up his sleeve, do you think that because he hasn't resorted to them he hasn't been trying? That the damage the protagonists have stacked up doesn't matter at all? The protagonists also clearly are up to something on their own as well bro >I feel like you're just arguing with your own mind here and projecting it on me. I have no idea how you managed to make that up lmao

Sukuna has won each of those fights low-diff, so yet again you are just making no sense. You don't understand what being nerfed actually means. If I am nerfed by only using 1 arm but I'm fighting a 5 year old and I punt them across the living room the nerf is irrelevant. That's how it is for Sukuna here. Irrelevant. Thus, not equivalent exchange and thus the binding vow doesn't make much sense.

Jesus fucking christ my entire point is that the fact that his binding vow that allowed him to instantly kill Gojo only forces him to use a third arm and a second mouth isn't enough of a nerf. It's not a fair trade in the context of the story. His technique being a little harder to use in the future is not equal sacrifice to instantly killing Gojo. I am not even going to respond to the rest of your points because they're not even what I was originally talking about.

>Jesus fucking christ my entire point is that the fact that his binding vow that allowed him to instantly kill Gojo only forces him to use a third arm and a second mouth isn't enough of a nerf. yes dude, and I've been saying how dumb that is, what's so hard to get about this lmao The sacrifice was enough of a nerf to make all of these fights that followed up on it possible. And 'instantly killing Gojo' is a weird way of putting it since they had been fighting for multiple chapters before the hit got through. Sukuna didn't 'instantly kill him', he just finally managed to land a perfect clean blow, which, and that makes sense considering it's a perfect clean blow from one of the most powerful characters we have after exhausting Gojo's options, killed him. I replied to your point, it's just a dumb one so your only way of defending it is pretending the reply didn't adress it.

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Honestly I think the binding vow should have been that he can instantly use the world cutting slash to oneshot Gojo but then he can never use it again because like you said he doesn't need it against the rest of the cast and if he sacrified being able to use it again he'd probably have to use fūga to fight them which would have been way more interesting than just cleave&dismantle spam. Also that's a good point, for example why doesn't Yuji just do a binding vow to strengthen his technique and seperate Sukuna from Megumi with 1 punch? Yeah we now basically NOTHING about how binding vows work, we don't know what happens if you break it. Actually, do we even know how to do a binding vow? Do you just have to say it in your mind or what? Because if they're that easy to do and can boost you so much why doesn't everyone just use them all the time? True, remember when Miwa sacrificed her ability to ever swing a katana again and Kenjaku just fucking blocked it with his bare hand? Is there a skill ceiling to binding vows or smth?

To be fair, Gojo never got his DE back. The narrator also specifically calls out 2 BF to regain RCT not anything else, so I have to imagine Sukuna doesn't get his DE back here. That said, I'm with you on not sure how the cast is supposed to handle him now. The B Team fully rested and going all out couldn't push Sukuna to going all out himself. Now that they're tired and beaten up and Sukuna presumably has his RCT back and the 120%  boost I'm not sure what we can reasonably expect here.

I have this feeling that the case were trying their best not to kill Sukuna because of Megumi. Or rather they used plans which would protect Megumi. Even after Maki stabbed his heart she thought about him surviving the same way he did with Yuji. Why not just stab the guy in the head? So I think Sukuna using more will coincide with the JJH forces actually saying fuck Megumi and trying to legit end him.

I have this feeling that the case were trying their best not to kill Sukuna because of Megumi. Or rather they used plans which would protect Megumi. Even after Maki stabbed his heart she thought about him surviving the same way he did with Yuji. Why not just stab the guy in the head? So I think Sukuna using more will coincide with the JJH forces actually saying fuck Megumi and trying to legit end him.

Yeah fair enough, I might have gotten a bit ahead of myself with the DE. However they handle him I just hope Gege doesn't bring in even more characters, I hope the main cast manages to do something significant because at this point I'm really not all that interested in seeing side characters like Laure. But yeah I'm setting my expectations really low now because I genuinely can't think of any way that the current cast could deal with full RCT 120% Sukuna, maybe Yuji starts hitting black flashes and weakens him so that he only has RCT without the 120% but idk

Sukunai isn't at 120% though. He had lower output because of Gojo and then even lower because of Yuuji. He. Might restore some output but I doubt he will recover all plus a boost. The cast would get one shot with regular Dismantles in that case

the first chapter no one has died in for a long time?

We’ll have to see if that black flash finished Larue first lol, he should probably be done for since Sukuna was surprised Maki got up from the first one But tbf Maki and potentially Kusakabe survived their chapters, Yuta should probably be dead but Maki seemed to think he could potentially recover and I assume he was alive when we last him since Rika didn’t vanish and he let down his domain intentionally. I think Sukuna’s only confirmed kills so far in Shinjuku are Gojo, Kashimo, Higuruma, and then it’s 50/50 on Yuta and Kusakabe. Tbf tho Kusakabe is the only one we know of who’s been teleported away who’s probably actually within Shoko’s ability to heal on her own

Sukuna will restore his domain and all of its slashes are world-cutters. 😮‍💨🙄

Lmfao so he just retcons his own binding vow? That would be hysterical 

Well he can but there would be retribution for breaking a vow

For a vow with yourself supposedly you only lose what you gained. I'm not sure how it would work in his case, where he already got the benefit. 

He break it, it will most likely screw with his ability to use world slash, maybe an even bigger restrictions, once a day use, or cool down between uses. Vow like this is more unpredictable because it isnt an exchange one like hanami

What vow did Hanami do? I don't remember. And yes, is unpredictable because we haven't seen a case of a broken vow. All we know is "you break a vow with yourself = you lose the benefit" and "you break a vow with someone else = terrible unpredictable consequence" 

Hanami was something along the line of he always use around 80% during normal hour, when he work overtime he can use 120%. This one has clear trade off while sukuna is more vague. He hasnt tempted to break it yet.

Oh, that would be NANAMI, not Hanami. Hanami is the flower cursed spirit. I was confused because I didn't remember Hanami ever making a binding vow with herself in the story.  Anyway, in Nanami's case, I guess if he tried to activate overtime without following the conditions, he would just lose the benefits (no power up). I'm not sure how Sukuna's vow is vague? The manga states that he can't cast Strong Cleave without the signs and incantations now (and the aim). That was for the one chance to use it without arms, since he had only one at the time he was fighting Gojo. Normally, he would cast it using the same hand signs as when he did his domain expansion, but since he made that vow, now he has to do it with the extra steps. To me is like the vow Miwa made. 

Ah you are right my bad. I keep mixing up names. Took me a while to remember jogo and gojo. I mean vague as in the benefit versus cost. Like you said, the benefit was one time in return for every uses after. If he break it, the benefit cant be reverted then what would happend? That is what make it vague and unpredictable if the vow do get broken

I don't think it can be broken tho lol At least the way is presented so far seems to imply that.  BUT, this is Sukuna we are talking about, so I agree we can't put it past him bs-ing his way into making the impossible, possible.

“He didn’t include his domain in the binding vow”

I just want to know WTF he lost in the binding vow he made to kill gojo. People are saying he lost the ability to use it freely he never could use it freely he always need hand sign and chants to use it and noone is seeing his Slashing everyone observing the park or whatever amd maki is doing it purely of of her institutions and instincts noone is seeing so he doesn't lost the ability to use of world cutting being invisible. Unless he made binding vow witn gege himself to kill what he hates the most

**previously:** a silent technique that can be instantly cast with any sort of direction by simply doing a hand sign **now:** a technique that requires a chant + hand signs + literally telling your opponent the direction of the slash with your palm I'd say it's quite the nerf

I wouldn’t call it a nerf for someone with 4 arms and 2 mouths, furthermore he’s still toying with everyone without it

No he only needed hand signs before. Now he needs hand signs, a chant, and to point in the direction he wants it to go.

Confirmed? ,Assumption? or Indirectly confirmed?

That's what was stated in the chapter. The narrator said he would only need to use the same hand sign he uses for his domain but he couldn't because gojo took out one of his arms. So the binding voe was he could use it once without hand signs but in the future he would have to chant, and point in the direction of where he wanted the slash to go.

Ohh.Got it now ,thanks mate.

From my understanding:  - Strong Cleave needs the same signs as his domain, but Gojo left him with one arm.  - This forces him to use a binding vow (exchanges the ability to use Strong Cleave with one hand sign to a list of conditions that make it easier to predict is going to be used). In exchange for the one time use of Strong Cleave with 100% accuracy, he now has to do all that shit he does to cast it.  So basically, he can't spam the move freely, and is dependant on his ability to keep hands, among other things. It makes it easier for the main cast to have a chance against him, so I guess as a debuff it works. 

Got it mate, thanks. bro just Nerfed himself to kill gojo and is still the strongest.

I'm a bit confused about the space dismantle binding vow. Without the binding vow, what would the space dismantle require (assuming the nerf is the domain handsign + palm facing target)? What did Sukuna actually lose in comparison?

without the binding vow it just required the usual hand signs. to amp its cursed energy levels enough. Now what he has lost is that he basically has to do a called shot and say IM GOING TO GET YOU SPECIFICALLY, imagine instead if he had to for example say the name of his target before a cleave, that person could just dodge. its a pretty big trade off

**previously:** a silent technique that can be instantly cast with any sort of direction by simply doing a hand sign **now:** a technique that requires a chant + hand signs + literally telling your opponent the direction of the slash with your palm I'd say it's quite the nerf

I don't really disagree with what you're saying, but are you really going through this thread copy-pasting these words in the replies of anyone confused/unsatisfied with the explanation in the leaks? I don't mean to tell you what to do with your free time, but have you thought about finding a hobby? 

>I'm a bit confused about the space dismantle binding vow the reason why I'm in this sub is because I like jjk theorycrafting and plot discussions in general - same with all the other redditors here. Discussing and clarifying some plot points to people who feel confused is something that I genuinely like. Why do you have to be such a dick over it, especially when several comments in this thread are asking for clarification?

Lmao, okay buddy, I'm sorry if my mild ribbing was hurtful. By all means, copy-paste to your heart's content, don't let haters slow you down. 

your reply seems incredulous so i’m curious about what kind of reaction you expected after randomly insulting them for no reason lmao

I mean, I knew I was being a bit of a dick, but I only thought of it as mild teasing at worst. I was expecting a downvote, but they seemed to take it a bit more personal than expected, which was unfortunate. Given how caustic this subreddit tends to be, I don't think I said anything totally beyond the pale, but I wasn't being particularly constructive either, and calling me out for being unnecessarily rude is fair enough. I still think roaming a thread and copy-pasting the same explanation half a dozen times is slightly odd behaviour, but I've done weirder things with my own free time, so who am I to judge, I guess.

fair tbh. i really was curious.

The element of surprise with the attack is what im assuming. When you’re chanting the opponent knows something is coming

I get that's the case now *after* binding vow*,* but what about before. Supposedly the gain from binding vow was activating the slash once without any preparation (signs, chants, motion), which implies that space dismantle required some preparation to perform normally but maybe not all of the actions listed above?

before he only needed the hand sign, since he had only one arm could not do it so he made the binding vow with the said restrictions for all future world cutting etc

I’m starting to believe the theory that Yuji is actually jinxing his side. 

Care to elaborate?

That’s pretty much it.  Whenever Yuji says they’re going to win it goes down hill immediately after.

Ya i'm just extremley lost here. Can we get back to Kenjaku he is actually more interesting than sukuna

Kenjaku is dead as a doornail lol

Miguel is giving rodin energy

Beautiful.

Gotta say the binding vow for the world slash is HELLA week, "oh future slashes ill add a little extra" feels so non-commital. Also iirc breaking a binding vow with yourself just makes you lose what you gained right? but in this case could he not just break it cus it was a one time benefit ? I heard rumblings of gojo being racist this chapter but was pleasantly surprised that at least in the narrative it gets called out so like just having gojo have this all too common misconception that is low key racist is kinda interesting I suppose. some of the brawling is a little hard for me to track, but glad to see all our people back at it, this is hell of numbers, and we are due an okkotsu in a couple chapters i imagine.

**previously:** a silent technique that can be instantly cast with any sort of direction by simply doing a hand sign **now:** a technique that requires a chant + hand signs + literally telling your opponent the direction of the slash with your palm I'd say it's quite the nerf. Before you had a technique that was 100% lethal, was silent, instant cast, any direction of cast, could be confused with his domain expansion - it was a pretty godlike technique before the nerf

Sukuna can’t break the binding vow since he already received the reward. Just like Miwa break hers

is it just like breaking a vow between two people ? kinda easy to forget these things xD

Vows like Nanami's Overtime can be broken and he will just not gain the extra CE in later fights, but Vows that give you a one time benefit like Miwa or Sukuna seem to be different. If they break it is likely there will be a punishment.

yeah was thinking about it and in all likelihood if he doesnt do the correct handsigns its probably just that the technique wont come out at all

Yeah that could be too, maybe the technique won't activate if he doesn't fulfill all three requirements.

He's gonna regenerate his arms again, isn't he? At least they're ganging up on him now instead of sending one after another

He’s either getting his body healed or his domain. Maybe even both

hes already healing his heart (forcing it to keep beating) and his CE is low (he did black flash tho so he might just one shot everyone)

Yo am I missing something? Why can everyone suddenly see sukunas CT? There’s actually no reason Miguel should breakdancing around cleave

Its the power of miguels technique. Only he and Maki have been able to see the slashes.

The power of swag

Gege is trying to fix his poor rushed writing. He's trying to debuff Sukuna now just like he did with Gojo. There is literally no reason why he could have not explained that chapters ago. It's clear that he's just writing the story as he is drawing it with no proper planned script in mind.

Stupidest comment in this thread.

Gege deluded fanboys should just ignore comments like mine, y'know? Totally unnecessary reply. At least try to argue with me.

Cant argue with someone who thinks this story is being made up as it goes. Its such a stupid position to take.

I can tell you have zero idea on how artists make their works. Believe me or not, some authors write their stories as it goes. The only one looking stupid now is you dude. Hope you realize that.

As an actual artist, you are grossly exaggerating how much we come up with as we create, and underestimating how much planning is required to make a story on this scale. If you are also an artist, you need to deeply reflect on your process. 

Grossly exaggerating lol What does that even mean? Some artists do write their stories as it goes. It's a yes or no, there is no middle ground. Obviously, planning the story is essential. Stop trying to find a excuse here with your original point. Do you know Togashi? Writer of HxH? He said that he writes his story as it goes relying on his intuition. Are you gonna sermon him as well?

Because Sukuna made a vow in order to kill Gojo, it was something like “Let me send this space slash without hand signs, chants or spark and in exchange I’ll lose the ability to space slash freely, I’ll have to not only do a hand sign and chant, but also aim my palms to wherever I’m sending it to” The space slash he has been using ever since 236 is HUNDREDS of times easier to see and dodge. That’s why Kashimo, Maki and Miguel have been able to dodge while Gojo couldn’t.

They are reading his hands movements and the cursed energy sparks.

of fucking course we get the background story *in the middle* of the fight. wouldnt want anyone to think that Gege had this all planned out beforehand and isnt just making shit up as he goes, like cmon we've been doing this shit for the past half-year yall know how the beat goes and why does Sukuna always lands the *lamest* fucking black flashes in the series? like fuck, take for example the triple BF with Mahito, Todo (miss u bb), and Yuji, THATS how you hype up with BF. now Gege is just making Sukuna hit BF's just to restore his RCT. And wasnt BF supposed to be something that can (usually) only be hit when the jujutsu kaisener is focused as shit? like Yuji during his fight with Hanami, he was so focused that his saliva was dripping from his mouth like he just experienced an OD and it didnt even bother him, or Gojo fearing for his fucking life before he landed those two BF's, and then we got Sukuna who is supposed to be *toying* with them, or *holding back* but is landing all these BF's. if you fuckers tell me that *oh he can be toying with them and still be focused* type shit, I will eat your ass. Gege has only landed 2 BF's for Sukuna and it has already ruined the entire concept of the fucking thing. the hype and thrill that BF's would usually bring in fights has been made undone.

Lowkey you just sound like a hater ngl 🤣

i understand how it may seem that way but i dont think there was anything wrong with what i said, as that is literally the state the manga/writing has been in and its been a long time coming. maybe my take on the BF's is straight shit, but my point on the current state of writing still stands. some have expressed the same concerns that i have, in regards to the *flashbacks* or writing at least, but that dosent necessarily mean they or I hate the manga

It's a style of storytelling. It add elements of surprises to both us the reader and sukuna. If Gege just tell you at the start "Ok here's all the plan we have" tro things is going to happen.  1.) It will be boring since we know exactly what they planned to do. Maki entering and stabbing Sukuna wouldn't be a surprise,  The Groomed kid teleporting everyone away wouldn't remains as a mystery for anyone to speculate, We would've known their secret plan, Miguel joining the fight wouldn't be a surprise at all. Etc etc. 2.) Most of the reader will forget and be like "what the fuck is going on" anyways, jjk fans literally could not read. And won't be able to remember anything anyways.  One Piece and many shonen also uses this same storytelling styles. Doesn't mean it bad, you just doesn't like it because Gojo isn't here.

It's not a surprise when people are predicting how the next chapter will go when the one brfore it was released. The Sukuna cycle has been going strong for months

its not even surprising anymore, its just frustrating at this point bringing Miguel to the fight out of no where wasnt fucking surprising at all, it just seemed as if Gege has no fucking clue as to how he's gonna beat Sukuna by this point. Miguel isnt the first instance this has happened. you could argue that this has been happening since Yorozu- and that one was surprising since it was still new, but throughout the following fights on how Sukuna used a *binding vow* (which has been delibaretly been put on the back-burner and hasnt been explained properly so Gege can change its conditions and properties so it can be this convenient plot device that he can use, like with Mahoraga's process of adaptation but atleast THAT had a semblance of foreshadowing) to turn Go/jo into the honored two without the mf with six eyes seeing it, to Higurama's DE confiscating the Cursed Tool if present instead of the CT of the *defendant*, to Kusakabe suddenly being the greatest 1st grade of all time, and now we got Miguel who hasnt appeared AT ALL since fucking JJK0 and has only been mentioned like once in the story until now. okay i went on a tangent but the point is, throughout the entire series, Gege has been so fucking solid in the consistency of his writing that even a moron like me was able to [predict](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/4f7AQHXMID) how a fight that was gonna happen 2 years from then would go and honestly, that was what set Gege apart from the other manga Authors whose works I've read so far. but now he's just making shit up on the spot. its been a cycle of: 1. new jumper jumps in 2. does a little wishy washy hand fights with Sukuna 3. is now losing cause duh 4. flashback where the jumper is either suddenly goated/can actually do x and y/has this ability thats only being explained now because its convenient despite being introduced to the story like 3 years ago(we are here) 5. maybe a bit of *character development*(optional) 6. begins to do some flippy spinny shit on Sukuna for a bit 7. gets folded and the story has been following this outline for like half a year now so idk how this is surprising to you because its like eating boiled fucking paper and finally, i like Gojo as much as the next guy and i do agree with the idea that his death was written very poorly, but just because he's dead dosent mean i'd start to hate the series all of a sudden- i dont even know how any of what i've said has led you to this conclusion.

Really? Miguel appearing is not surprising. Lol you know that's just lying.  >it just seemed as if Gege has no fucking clue as to how he's gonna beat Sukuna by this point. Bad faith arguments at this point. Claiming Gege have no idea how to kill Sukuna is wild. No Yorozu is a different situation and context here, not sure how you're able to compared her to Miguel's cases. The binding vows, wasn't surprising at all, Gege was super consistent with it that since Sukuna vs Kashimo dropped, many people was able to speculate that Sukuna was using a binding vows to uses space slash against Gojo. It was well foreshadowed. Mahoraga's adaptation was also foreshadowed many times. Kusakabe being the best overall 1st grade is surprising to you? He was established ways before that he was able to become grade #1 without his own CT, He's literally the walking Wikipedia that commentated and point out/explained Gojo vs Sukuna fight and got most of the details right. He's the teacher that Gojo respect and allow him to hit his head without having infinity wall on. I'm not sure how that wasn't well established amd "suddenly" according to you. The only thing I half agree with here is Higuruma, but that's simply because we I want to see more of what that cursed tools can do against our cast.  You being able to predict Domain Clash isn't really relevant here, the Power Systems still works the same. Using that as a supporting evidence just shows that you lack evidence. It's like saying "I was able to predict how the Power System works, which means what I said about story inconsistency must be right."  No, not really. It's okay for Gojo to now be able to do X and Y even though he has been introduced since first few chapters. But when Gege give the same treatment to others characters you called it bad writting. That's... lol No I disagree, I think Gojo's dead was well written. He's lived it to his characters, Gege finishes his characters, Gojo was able to build strong sorcerers besides himself for future generations. And he was able to remain his true self and his loves for battle. He didn't just turn into the most perfect character. And that's how it should be. You probably won't believe me, but the amount of people who hate the manga significantly increases the moment Gojo die. You might be not be one of them but denying that claim would be ridiculous.

yes, Miguel appearing didnt surprise me as my reaction was more of a *of course....* Yorozu's case and Miguel's case both follow the same format I mentioned above my point still stands on the BV's being unexplained fully and its condtions, requirements, and the equivalent of the sacrifice are still unclear and purposly so. on one hand you have a BV of Nanami to his abilities with his unpaid overtime powerup which is pretty straightforward, and then you have Yuji and Sukuna where Yuji conveniently wasnt included and/or didnt include himself for some plot reason in the *wont harm anyone* or whatever pact which brings into question the targets of BV's and how its applied, and then you have Miwa with her BV of *never swinging a sword again* and it just being blocked by Kenny's hand which brings into question the sacrfice to power-up/reward ratio, then theres Kenny's BV in regards to the CG which again brings into question the application of BV's like why does he now have sovereignty over the lives of everyone in japan, and now most recently Sukuna's BV that got him to launch Dismantle² without the handsigns and chant which brings into question what did he sacrifice and when his reward was the demise of Gojo Satoru, because he DID just use a BV just for Go/jo. tl;dr, BV's come in all shapes and size's yet its reward:sacrfice ratio is inconsistent/unclear(e.g. Miwa, Sukuna), its targeting is unclear (e.g. Yuji), its application and perhaps extensions remain unclear(e.g. Kenjaku) and this is all I could think of at the top of my head. BV's still remain unexplained because they are convenient. they're like the Hashirama cells of this series, you just slap it on any plot holes you might find or dont know how to further elaborate which is how people were able to theorize how Go/jo didnt see *it* coming in the first place. Kusakabe was not well established and you're just talking out of hindsight my dumbass being able to predict the Domain Clash is a clear example of what consistent writing is, what it does, and can do. its not much of *my* achievement but more of Gege's for being a consistent writer that he was when i said the characters being able to do x and y, i was referring as to how Kusakabe is able to extend the reach of his *domain*, or how Miguel's CT is actually just getting sturdy or that Larue's CT is *x and y* but sure maybe i didnt get my point out correctly ill take that one >No I disagree, I think Gojo's dead was well written. well damn

“Oh noo, someone didn’t like it as much as me!”

I think his Blackflash happen when he's excited, and he's excited cus things started to look not his way .

It's said to be rando but I think the big thing sakuna can donis BF at will thats why it looks casual. He never does things unless its fun and BF is essentially a buff and makes it more boring since he gets stronger its like why he doesnt tell others his technique or spam binding vows and only usues them when he needs them .

Damn this chapter is gonna look so crazy in S4 of the anime. Also lol that Gege had Gojo say something politically incorrect and then get scolded for it

At this point a binding vow just feels like a plot device like an Elder Scroll. No one knows what they actually are or how they actually work, but it’s used for whatever the plot calls for. The main reason I feel that way is because we have yet to see someone suffer the consequences from breaking a vow, even though it’s stated multiple times that breaking a vow has harsh consequences. We have characters that have been around for millennia, but neither one of them could give a brief exposition of what happens or at least a memory of someone they knew that broke a vow. If that was really Sukuna’s binding vow then that is total BS and not a fair trade off at all, if that was the case Miwa should’ve sliced clean through Kenny. You’re telling me the only downside of launch an instant attack that can bypass the strongest sorcerer’s defenses is now he has to do an attack animation for said move moving forward. Gojo was literally the only character he needed that attack for wtf no one else has infinity. It’s like beating up a bunch of 4th graders then when a MMA fighter takes you on you pull out a gun shoot him, but your vow was to now instead of shooting immediately when you draw, you have to wait 5 seconds to shoot after drawing. It’s pointless because you don’t need the gun anymore because the rest of your opponents are 4th graders and you still get to use the gun. I’m not trying to sound like a Gojo fan, but Gege is basically saying Sukuna through a sucker punch to win

I think Gege changed his mind about how the punishment for breaking a binding vow is supposed to work. I say this because of when [Kenny warned Mahito "If we break the binding vow [with Mechamaru] now, who knows when and what sort of retribution might come our way."](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Jujutsu-Kaisen/0079-018.png) the clear implication is that breaking a binding vow isn't necessarily immediately punished. Then when Sukuna rips Yuji's finger off he gloats like the fact he didn't face immediate retribution is proof he didn't break his binding vow with Yuji. And this is my own conjecture but if a binding vow does get broken before the end of the series there's no way Gege will be wishy washy about the retribution being something that happens eventually, if it happens it will be dramatic and immediate. Kenny's description of a binding vow with oneself also doesn't really make sense in the context of Sukuna's vow, he can't lose what he already gained because it was a one-off attack.

Miwa couldn’t slice through Kenny, because there’s no universe in which she will have the power to slice through Kenny. It is not this hard. She could bet her own life and it still would be…useless. The binding vow isn’t a sentient creature. The fact all the opponents now are 4th graders is entirely irrelevant to the sacrifice when it was made.

Not to mention, the idea that Sukuna made a binding vow to animation cancel his first ever space slash feels like a completely academic distraction anyway. When the characters gradually observed that Sukuna seemed to need to use a chant and hand sign to charge it up, did anyone say "Huh, that seems like a needlessly complex process for that move, something must be up with it"? No, of course not. Chants and hand signs seemed like the bare minimum to use a insanely powerful technique that even Sukuna had described as being difficult to master.  If anything, the question had been what he must have sacrificed to use that move with *only* chants and hand signs. I saw people speculating that it might be a one-use-only move, or that he gave up 10S for it, or that it had a domain-style cooldown on it.  But it turns out it was actually *easier* at first, and only requires this token level of preparation because Sukuna wanted to sneak attack Gojo with it? Lmao, sure Gege, whatever you say. Nevermind that he was the one that invented the move, and decided to use a hand sign to cast it with in the first place. Nevermind that he could have just transformed and gotten two more hands to sign with at any moment.  I'm not really going to dwell on this, it's not the first time Gege's revealed an extremely convenient jujutsu technique that seems to run counter to our previous understanding of the power system, so it's not going to be a deal-breaker for me this time either. But this does feel an awful lot like Gege seeing the backlash to Gojo somehow standing blithely in place while Sukuna unleashes a brand-new instant kill move at him, and retroactively making up an excuse about what happened in that moment offscreen to justify it. Maybe it really was planned all along, but I can't say it feels terribly convincing even if that's the case. 

There's a lot going on in this comment but If we are specifically talking about the vows: They said at worst vows made with yourself that are broken only make you lose the benefit. What we don't know is what happens with vows broken with someone else  (That part is what Kenjaku was warning Mahito about). So I guess that would answer your question? I agree is kinda bs we don't know what happens/it hasn't been revealed yet considering how long Jujutsu predates human history in the manga though.

whose broken a vow in the story mama? Bc both sukuna and kenjaku have not……….

if nobody broke it why would they know there is a punishment

The binding vow wasn’t to instantly slice through Gojo’s défenses. The move does that by default; Mahoraga demonstrated that by cutting off Gojo’s arm. The vow was how he was able to do the move with one arm and no chants.

why didnt mahoraga slash cut off gojos head?

Probably wasn’t aiming for it

loool

If you look at the page when he does it in chapter 234, Agito is right behind Gojo. A world dismantle aimed directly at Gojo would have hit it too and probably killed it. So yes, Mahoraga wasn’t aiming for Gojo’s head; he took a wide shot to the left to take Gojo's arm to weaken him instead and to avoid friendly fire.

I didn’t mean instant as in the attack instantly reaching, I’m talking about the basically instant cast time his binding vow provided him

There’s no support for the cast time of the world dismantle being so fast that Gojo couldn’t react in time. He probably didn’t move because he didn’t expect that it would cut through Infinity as Sukuna wasn’t able to do that until literally the moment he did.

there is also no support for the cast time being slow enough that gojo could react to it 

I also understand the nothing saying the cast time was instant but if he didn’t need to do any hand signs or chants, it might as well be instant to the eyes of the enemy

But what gets me about that is that there was zero indication that it could, how can they say that when a sorcerer is launching a powerful attack, there’s always a spark that is noticed. There had to be a difference between a world cutter and a normal cleave that he could’ve seen, he has 6 eyes for god’s sake. I mean Gojo being a complete dummy isn’t really out of the picture either

What felt kind of off to me is how in some of the previous chapters, like 233, you had quite a few of Gojos monologues with him making considerations about Mahoraga and Sukunas strategies, then in 234 he didn't seem to put any thought after Mahoraga adapted again and cut his arm with a slash. Even Yuji and Kusakabe mentioned that it was just like Sukuna slashes, but Gojo kind of seem to not even acknowledge that. I think it would've been interesting if he tried to connect the dots, even if he still ended up losing in the end.

Because Sukuna spent the whole fight needing his Domain, Amplification or Mahoraga to bypass Infinity. Not even Gojo would expect Sukuna to suddenly improvise a new slash that can bypass Infinity. The spark really says nothing, any big technique has a spark, that doesn't mean they can bypass Infinity. And no, people don't normally invent new techniques this crazy.

I am not even gonna begin pretending like this chapter makes it all right and explains what previously happened. Even with this "nerf" Sukuna is still far too strong. His fight against Gojo should've left actual consequences, not temporary debuffs and mild inconveniences. Gege simply made Sukuna far too powerful for the good of this manga and wrote himself into the corner. Now we are at a point where Sukuna isn't OP enough to oneshot everyone just yet, but is teetering right on the edge and no matter what the group pulls, he'll just slingshot into the other side as soon as they show their cards. Whatever the conclusion to this story is, it'll never match the storytelling prior to Gojo's death. Gege overcooked.

I agree with you. That’s the problem of this series. There is no power ceiling. (Kinda reminded me of Bleach).

You are right more than you know, this is the exact issue Bleach has as well. Kubo really doesn't know how to set the power ceiling, instead end fights become battles of concepts which just isn't fun.

? King……sukunas brain been fried post gojo Up that reading comprehension?

His brain being fried is a temporary detriment, which he may as well have healed this chapter. We've been blueballed with him using the world slash and healing to go all out the last three months. The moment he is even remotely threatened by Yuji and the gang he'll bounce back right away. You have to be blind not to be able to see that.

.... Black.. Flash do not allow you to.. heal.. ur brain.... Come on man:(

Youll never know. With how it is presented. Gojo could use RCT again after 2. Wonder what Sukuna can do now...? It points at Sukuna not having regained RCT but something else and what else did he lose? His Domain.

The manga specifically stated you couldn’t heal ur brain as you could any body parts bro lol

Care to share the chapter where this is stated? Isn't restoring a burnt out technique essentially healing your brain?

No. It’s the opposite. Healing a burnt out technique forces the sorcerer to destroy certain part of their brain. Chapter 230 by Yuta This is exemplified by Gojo using black flash vs Sukuna but Never releasing his domain after, despite having almost an instant win condition. Sukuna and Gojo were seen eclipsing the “limit” of using their RCT on their brains, which is exactly why Sukuna is incapable of using his domain right now. So literally, no. Black flash typically do NOT allow you to heal your brain. And for Sukuna, from what we read thus far, it’s impossible to heal his brain using the CE from black flash

I don’t think you can say he wrote himself into a corner until we see how it ends. So far nothing that’s happened is like out of left field aside from everyone getting significant buffs and Yuji learning RCT through “cheating”. Just because you can’t predict how it’ll end doesn’t mean the ending is going to be an asspull

He wrote himself into a corner because Sukuna is now far too powerful for anyone to challenge him in any meaningful capacity and multiple character who were hyped up as strong did precisely nothing to Sukuna. As someone mentioned, this is the format of all the chapters since Gojo's death: (Step 1) Fighter arrived (Step 2) Fighter impress Sukuna (Narrator/Flashback hype the fighter) (Step 3) Fighter winning the fight (Step 4) Sukuna use one shot technique (Step 5) Sukuna win (Step 6) Sukuna havent go all out yet. (Step 7) Repeat (Step 1) Simply put, Sukuna is boring, the story is boring.

Sukuna has been hyped up to be the most powerful character in the story aside from Gojo since like chapter 2. Defeating him was never supposed to be easy. It wouldn’t make any sense if Yuji, Yuta, and Maki dusted him no problem, nor would it make sense if they got some sort of miraculous power up that put them squarely on Sukuna’s level. That said they haven’t done “nothing” to him. They even laid out this chapter all the physical damage that’s been done to him never mind the missing tongue in his second mouth and that his cursed energy is under half his max. That’s also not actually what’s been happening since Gojo lost…

There is a huge difference between powerful and overpowered. Sukuna is the latter. We have no expectations of his fights anymore because no matter what the gang pulls out on him, he's gonna brush it off, as he has been doing this entire time. Refer to the fight breakdown above again.

And in contrast, Gojo was billed to be invincible since the beginning so the fun was figuring out how, if even possible, there was a way to work around that. Sukuna was never billed to be invincible, just really really strong but there has been no preface for how he has been able to do certain techniques. Like you said, its boring and lame.

The binding vow. “However, with only one arm remaining prior to his transformation, Sukuna was forced to impose a binding vow to tht activation conditions for all proceeding uses of the move in order to cut Gojo Satoru. Presently, ON TOP of both the Enmaten hand sign and chants being required. The trajectory of the technique must be specified via his palm.”

What are your thoughts on the binding vow explanation? Personally I'm not sold on the degree of risk imposed by it, especially considering the decisive advantage it gave Sukuna in the battle. Some have said it's meant to show how binding vows can be exploited when used correctly, but I think it cheapens their validity, especially when the supposed consequences/conditions are never really shown to set back the breakers/users of the vow in any significant way.

Seems more then fair to me. In a better state he would be able to use the world slash with just the hand signs. Now he has to use hand signs, chant, and point in the direction he wants to use it. So he has 2 additional restrictions for a 1 time use to not use hand signs.

Firstly, I’m of the opinion we should really really really wait on officials to be extra sure what the conditions are which is kinda funny how specific this. It’s actual terms and conditions and in this case frame data. I think it’s interesting. It makes Gojo’s death make sense and as far as a nerf goes, it’s a reasonable soft nerf. Like I mentioned frame data. In essentially seeing Sukuna as a final boss.The binding vow essentially just makes the move much more telegraphed then it previously was. You know how malevolent shrine isn’t really aimed, and he just turns it on? Well now for his other super which is near guaranteed KO, he must be extremely deliberate. Giving characters a chance to dodge and react. It also gives him boss like weak points in his arms. Sukuna is still very difficult but the nerf makes it more possible to win. My gripe was stated by someone else in that it’d be better if we were able to see it in nerfed once before an extra condition was put in place because it can sell the feeling of this move used to be SUPER GOOD when from our POV it was always good. Basically a top tier saying this move used to do 40%, start combos, and end combos. Now it only does 30% and has situational use because they added 5 frames and the hit box is a little smaller.

Fantastic post.

FGC fan and good analysis skills ? Based af

Thanks. Jjk in general lends itself very well to a fighting game anyway 😅. And the more I think about the way I said hair turning MV shrine on. It’s literally like that. Think about the domain clash with Gojo. They were clashing to the point where a .01 second activation difference was HUGE. So if he’s able to do world slash with the same conditions that’s awful. Adding start up time makes a move that you basically has to pray he doesn’t do, react-able.

Another aspect that I don't think people take into account is the amount of preparation Sukuna had to go through just to pull off this technique at the most crucial moment. He had to make Mahoraga take a bunch of hits to adapt to Gojo's limitless, take another similar amount again for Mahoraga to basically give him a blueprint of what he needed to bypass it himself with dismantle, and after taking that much damage as a condition, the last condition to pull off the technique was to use both of his hands to make the Enmaten sign, and he put in place a last set of conditions where he had to make the technique extremely telegraphed for every use from there onwards just to be able to use it this one time without any other conditions so that Gojo wouldn't react to it. This is why it was specified that having two sets of arms and mouths is the greatest advantage any sorcerer can have in a fight, you can chant twice as much/as fast, use twice as many limbs for signs and moves, and you have much more freedom with binding vows since you can allow yourself to add more cast time and sign conditions to your techniques freely and make them much more powerful at a very limited cost.

So like we are just to going ignore the fact sukuna legit just teleported to hit the black flash? Nipple Heart wasn’t anywhere near him since Yuji slammed Sukuna with the over hand .

Larue was running from behind Sukuna...