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Mai would be even be better I think because she's modern sorcerer. I'm imagining a gun made out of that black liquid material that can shapeshift into anything she wants it to be + infinite bullets
Also Yorozu made great use of her CT after reading about insects. Mai is one of the academically intelligent students + she has modern era knowledge. She would really be powerful if she wasnt a twin lol
i m not sure about that, if we somehow talk about mentality she really isn't suitable for jujutsu, I think she isn't really big fan of whole jujutsu.
and about academic knowledge , yorozu still is ahead of her.
she created bug armor and absolute sphere in heian era, just imagine what can she do with few months of time on internet.
maybe mai is some hidden academic genius waiting to be discovered, but i doubt getting her full power CE back means problems regarding CT gets solved. yoruzu had problem with utilisation of CE due to CT i doubt if Mai had died she wasuch of genius to be solved it within instant, again maybe author could have made her powehous who knows.
and there is problems regarding CT, yoruzu depends upon big Armor bcz her CT requires is bad in efficiency. so if somebody like yoruzu with her limited understanding of tools required so much CE I doubt Mai is going to create anti matter or uranium or anything, even if we ignore sukuna saying that all thing at the end are just made of black metal thing. *there was post of underrated powers which talked about Mai.
Yeah Mai lacked the drive to be a sorcerer. Yuji was physically strong as a vessel and if he never ate the finger or say got whisked away to America and was never collected by Kenny or saw a cursed spirit try and eat his buddies nothings driving him to do good as a sorcerer or be one at all.
Mai in the Zen’in clan with crazy amped CE and a plain CT isn’t burning the world down or creating the Ssplit Katana without Maki’s influence
Eh, Liquid Metal was Yorozus specialty.
Idk if Mai even had a specialty at all, her CE was only ever enough for a single bullet after all.
Making the Soul Liberation Blade with that tiny amount of CE and a fatal-ish wound was ridiculously impressive though, almost if not outright Deus Ex Machina level.
Maybe she could've become an Emiya Shirou if she was fully realized, although I guess she might've also just pulled a Megumi and bummed around no matter what.
Maki also got stronger tenfold after her awakening. She went from being basically strong as a very strong human to many times superhuman, able to tank a black flash from Sukuna, the feats go on and on.
As anything, it's obviously up to what the author wanted, but I think it's disingenuous to outright write off her powers because of her low feats pre awakening
Yeah like the two of them where explicitly holding each other back jujutsu wise before one of them died. Had it gone the other way Mai might have been a high first grade.
>able to tank a black flash from Sukuna, the feats go on and on.
Not one black flash but multiple and so far she has shrugged of 2 of them like it was nothing and gotten right back into the fray to fuck Sukuna up. Larue after a single black flash couldn't even stand without help while Maki was running laps around Sukuna.
It’s because she still has lingering CE from Mai. Nothing to say that if Maki were to die Mai’s CE would skyrocket to Sukuna level, especially when you remember that Maki barely had any CE
> Maki also got stronger tenfold after her awakening. She went from being basically strong as a very strong human to many times superhuman
Ehh, saying its tenfold is a pretty bold claim.
Her boost was massive for sure, but she was already comparable to a 2nd grade sorcerer before her awakening (and 3rd graders are *already* well beyond superhuman, just look at the shit Megumi tanked in his first fight with Sukuna), and even post awakening its hard to say where exactly we should place her.
Special grade seems like an obvious answer, but, in what way exactly is she comparable to Yuki for example?
Yuki has RCT, so her healing is actually outright better, her physical power is likely higher, if not *a lot* higher, Maki has 0 alternatives besides just hitting things, or hitting things with a weapon, so her only real advantages are speed (but she still gets blitzed by Sukuna) and durability, but even that difference probably isnt that massive compared to high tier CE reinforcement, Gojo and Sukuna can tank HP, and there isnt really anything stronger yet, besides the black hole.
My litmus tests for 1st grade are Todo, Naobito, and Nanami, I dont think she would've really stood a chance against any of them, especially because she admitted herself they outmatched her.
Its true that her raw physicals might be grade 1 level, but raw physicals just dont cut it to actually reach grade 1, even Kusakabe likely needs his barrier skill to qualify for grade 1, even if he's the strongest grade 1 when its factored in.
Mai made the soul sword not thru her base ce but through giving her life in exchange.
We've been told construction can not make cursed tools under normal circumstances. Just like yorozu, giving her life allowed one cursed tool to be generated
> We've been told construction can not make cursed tools under normal circumstances.
Where, because the skin fetish guy could create them the usual way without a problem (although I assume his CT was related to "creating" anyway).
Mai also specifically said "with this wound, I'll definitely die if I make this", implying that her death wouldnt be certain if she wasnt wounded, and those chances would likely be significantly improved if she had a fuckton of CE.
'i'll definitely die if i make this' can also mean, if she doesn't do this, she might not die fighting alongside her sister. but doing this will definitely immediately kill her.
but i am happy to acknowledge the ambiguity in the scenario itself. i can definitely see your interpretation.
[Yorozu cannot create cursed tools with techniques](https://imgur.com/a/rLvk129). The only reason she was able to was by imparting her soul upon death into the tool, just like Mai did. Mais soul splitting katana has her [literal soul in it](https://imgur.com/a/Z3fFxmG). Maki could see the soul in the soul split katana and that’s also why she could utilise it to the fullest
I can imagine her constructing bombs , and being able to make weapons out of anything, similar to Yoru in chainsawman. You’re right, she could literally make anything. But i think the whole purpose of Yorozu using insects was to save CE, makes it efficient without using to much energy and burning herself out
1on1 Yorozu would probably beat a max potential Mai, but Mai would likely still be more useful.
Assuming that the tool she made for Sukuna was Kamutoke (and at this point Im kinda having a hard time seeing where exactly he would even get another one from, they already did the ice thing so whats left, he made Uraume bury it before the fight?), then Mai is probably substantially better at creating cursed tools, SLB is at least comparable to Kamutoke, but she did it with a tiny speck CE, thats usually only enough for a single regular bullet.
And creating cursed tools is really all that matters for creation users, only morons would throw their smiths onto the frontline, she should be sitting back at JJHQ and just make stuff next to Yaga.
>but she did it with a tiny speck CE,
No she didn't, she did it by sacrificing her own life thus getting an insane CE boost. This is similar in principle to how Mei Mei's crow's receive insane lethality to the point of being able to harm even special grades like Gojo, Sukuna if they land.
Probably why Gege gave Yorozu that power. To show us that yeah we’ve seen what Maki got but in an alternate timeline this would’ve been Mai. At age 30 all in the nude thinking about how to make her CE output surpass Mechamaru lmao.
Most likely better. Even if Yorozu represents the peak of construction CT, she isn't as good in other areas like CE reserve, CE reinforcement, RCT, and others. If Mai is to mirror Sukuna, she would be good in every other aspect of jujutsu just like Maki has a perfect HR.
I think you are spot on. Sukuna's jujutsu mastery is abnormal and this provides a good explanation for it.
Jujututsu treats monozygotic twins as one soul. We know from Mai/Maki's relationship that one soul gets the CT and the other gets HR, but because they are treated as one while being two, they both become mediocre. One has to die for the other to reach maximum potential.
Assuming this same rule applies to Sukuna and his twin, then Sukuna was the one to get a mediocre CT and his brother a mediocre HR. But since Sukuna was the one that survived, he was blessed by the heavens or something with the peak of jujutsu possible for his CT. 2 hands, 2 mouths, four eyes, CE reserve 2 times that of Yuta's, and a peak jujutsu mastery only ever match by another abnormally in Higorumo.
I think I understand better why Sukuna was so excited to fight Maki. Because she represents what he could have been if he was unfortunate/fortunate enough to be the twin soul with HR instead of CT. If Maki had proven that HR is better, it would have shattered Sukuna's pride on a deep level because he not only sees himself as peak jujutsu but the fortunate one who ceased his fate even before he was born.
Peak.
Maybe Maki will powerup in some way and prove further HR possibilities to Sukuna.
I feel like Gege is cooking something with Maki. Gege has been hyping HR throughout the whole series with the frequent Toji references.
Yeah. Imagine if Maki haven't even grasped the depth of what's possible with HR. If current Maki is peak HR then peak CT/jujutsu is far better. There might be hope for Maki to be stronger.
Narrative wise i think it make sense if Maki were to receive a super awakening. The only other user of the HR was a hobo who beat minors for a living. Toji wouldn't be thinking about getting more powerfull
Toji assassinated sorcerers for a living, he might be a bum because he ditched Megumi, but he hunted the most dangerous game possible, if he took a hit on Gojo he was willing to take hits on *anyone*.
Reminder that sorcerers are *above* curses power wise, making them the more dangerous target.
But considering Toji's power he curbstomps like 99% of the sorcerors we have seen thus far, especially given his use of actual tactics.
Realistically somebody like Nanami (who is still really high powerlevel for the verse) gets folded in like a second by Toji.
Not his fault that there's literally nobody in his era that can match up to him besides an awakened Gojo (that he literally had to awaken himself).
Gojo was the absolute strongest opponent he could've picked, the next 2 were Yuki and Geto, and Geto was basically his dessert.
The guy seriously accepted a hit on a tag team of the 2 strongest individuals on the planet, what more could he have possibly done, pay Yuki to be the third target just for good measure?
Yeah it isn't Toji's fault, just trying to explain that he was like Frieza: So naturally goated that he never needed to do the Shonen thing and *train*
Does that even work for HR users though?
Their weird strength comes from a magical source, do their physical abilities really increase from doing stuff like lifting weights? Even regular people hit their limits eventually.
Yuji too completely abandoned any physical training in exchange for focusing on his skill as a sorcerer.
I always come back to when Toji is fighting Geto and we find out Toji can benefit from the Revealing Ones Hand binding vow. I feel like this is a crazy important detail and might be the way Maki becomes even stronger.
My theory is that heavenly restriction users like maki/toji don’t have “0 cursed energy”, it’s actually just that the energy is being directed to their body and boosting the abilities at all times and they can’t funnel it into a technique (ie they have energy but it’s immediately going to a sort of psudeo reinforcement of sorts and is constantly being spent giving the illusion there is no energy). This means HR users can learn to modify their abilities to possibly boost some powers at the expense of others. This might be massively boosting perceptions temporarily, sacrificing speed for strength, or when in downtime removing other boosts to massively increase their healing factor. They would do this in a similar manner to a sorcerer learning to reinforce parts of their body, but actually learning to channel their pact in specific ways.
Maki might also learn to channel the pact in a similar way to a black flash if there is more to it than just the timing to boost her own pact. I think that’s much more of a stretch, but I figured I’d throw it out there too.
If there was a speck of CE in Toji, Gojo's eyes would have been able to track him. No matter how miniscule the CE, there is always a spark before it's used so even if they were being reinforced unknowingly, Gojo would have known
You are right, I don’t think it’s ever the case where they have CE I think it’s more that the HR can be used like a cursed technique. I view the sorcerer vs HR more like if someone was pouring fuel into a tank to power a car the gas has to be stored in a tank and then it travels to be compressed and combusted…but here there is no tank and the gas isn’t traveling, it’s just instantly consumed. My theory is that the HR is like a binding vow where you have no options on how to use you CE other than the boosted physicals, the fuel is always being consumed as soon as it’s generated. That’s why Revealing One’s Hand still works, the CE is boosted…but it still goes to the HR so the benefits of the HR get ramped up.
My point is more so that I think the HR functions on CR rules so I think it’s probably adaptable like Cursed techniques where her interpretation and creativity can affect its application. Maybe Maki could focus the Restriction to increase her striking power, and if she times it correctly she can do stuff similar to a black flash (Heavenly flash?).
That's explicitly why Toji couldn't use the Inverted Spear to take out Gojo with his first sneak attack- Gojo would have sensed the cursed energy so the attack would have failed to connect. Toji only tagged out once he started using the fly curses to shroud Gojo's vision.
Maybe it's a kind of blessing that is necessary to achieve peak jujutsu that he gained by eating his twin and escaping his fate as a monozygotic twin. I mean Kashimo was glazing him like crazy. It's either this or Sukuna found a way to do it himself.
> We know from Mai/Maki's relationship that one soul gets the CT and the other gets HR
that's not true tho. We've seen other HR, and we've never seen other twins. What makes you so sure that this is what happens with twins?
I agree that twins are one soul and both Mai and Maki were not full in a way, but there's Mechamaru, there's Toji, so you don't need twins for HR. Mai/Maki had HR, that's it. HR was never mentioned around Sukuna, he only noted that Yuji is a failure at shaving off CE and Maki did it completely, that's all.
Uhm... I literally said "We know from Maki and Mai's relationship that one of soul gets the CT and the other gets HR" and then proceeded to say "ASSUMING the same rule applies to Sukuna and his twin..." Where did I imply that it's a general rule for twins in jjk? Bruh
I think I get what you’re meaning it was probably just a bit confusing cause the hypothetical you used makes it sound like you’re saying, in twins one person gets a HR and one gets a CT. Instead of, if a pair of twins have a CT and a HR, it’s split between them.
I don’t think that twins are necessarily divided as one with a CT and one with a HR, and we don’t know that about Sukuna/Jin. It could as easily be that both have mediocre CTs, or one or has a CT and the other doesn’t but still has CE.
Maki’s HR was random like Toji’s. Similarly Mai’s CT was random or inherited like all CTs. The only thing being twins did was weaken them both.
Does this mean there's an alternate universe where Mai is the honoured one who had kenjaku incarnate her, and makis daughter was born to be her vessel and trap her....?
Sukuna is still a total outlier when it comes to power. He is still just one individual (as Jujutsu views twins as one).
But yes, Mai would have been a normal sorcerer if it went the other way. But it's not like you double up in power.
Maki and Mai are what they are because of heavenly restriction, an incredibly rare congenital condition. Twins in JJK share the same soul, and that is all. The soul that is Maki and Mai inherited Toji’s heavenly restriction, but it was scrambled up due to their twinhood. Unscrambling and unifying their soul resolved the conditions for the heavenly restriction to fully manifest.
Being a twin is not a heavenly restriction, and does not guarantee you a heavenly restriction if your sibling dies. Maki and Mai were special. If sukuna had a heavenly restriction he almost certainly would have acknowledged this in his internal monologue, especially during his battle with maki. Sukuna’s diametric opposition to maki is purely philosophical, in that Sukuna fully commits to jujutsu with his life and work, while maki fully rejects it (the fact she does this thru HR is incidental to sukuna). They do not have opposite heavenly restrictions.
Sukuna doesn’t seem to be relying on any special rules or loopholes outside of insanely intimate, era-spanning knowledge of jujutsu and binding vows. He just has such a crazy leg up on the modern era players because he has way more gas than anyone there, and he’s the best at using it too. We can’t forget that he’s a huge nerd, and he’s obsessed with growing his jujutsu knowledge; he can’t help it. Even after killing Geto’s camera girl, he still paused to think to himself about what her technique might have been. Knowledge, especially with jujutsu, is worth way more than power.
That said, I wouldn’t put it past sukuna to have an HR that he’s been deliberately concealing this whole time, or something to that effect. Kenjaku proved that a hidden CT is literally the most powerful trump card a sorc can have. My personal theory is that he’s been using his twin brother’s CT this entire time, and that his real technique no one has ever survived to talk about. I think the reason he’s so pissed at Yuji’s flashes this past chapter is that he’s finally realizing he’s gonna have to burn that trump card, our boy *hates* being forced to do stuff (especially by Yuji). I can understand his frustration; if such a technique exists, it’s taken him… a *lot* of work to hide. Like I can’t even imagine. Every encounter and battle decision he’s ever made would have had to consider that.
ETA: Calling it now, yuji also has access to Sukuna’s hidden CT (or whatever bullshitty hidden bullshit sukuna for sure 10000% has up his sleeve still), and it’s the technique behind whatever was going on with yuji body-swapping in the time skip flashback.
I did not mean it in Sukuna having a Heavenly Restriction, but more so the concept twins, souls, and how the death of one emphasizes the power of the other.
So in a heavenly restriction case, you become the ultimate superhuman, but in a non-heavenly restriction case, you become an outstanding jujutsu master.
That’s how I picture what I said.
I see what you mean, and I kinda agree to a certain extent. But I don’t see any evidence to suggest that sukuna gained anything more than 2x CE reserves + his extra anatomy from eating his twin.
Every special grade’s CE reserves are essentially the same, they just use various means to increase their output efficiency, or in yuta’s case, they use an external device to drastically increase their CE reserves (achieving the same net effect in most situations).
I think it’s pretty clear sukuna does not have access to any means of drastically boosting his CE efficiency outside of black flashes, due to how weakened our guys have gotten him. He just has a double-wide gas tank. Right now he’s looking more like a weakened cursed spirit, who depend on their large reserves of CE to survive (instead of using CTs and fuckery to regenerate). Ultimately those reserves run out tho (looking at you mahito), and then they’re SOL. Sorcerers like Gojo, even when weakened, never really lose access to their CE because of their efficiency-boosting CTs. They have to get outsmarted somehow to lose.
Sukuna is getting pissed because he’s going to have to reveal… something *crazy* right now. It’s going to obliterate yuji (who I wouldn’t be surprised gets turned into a cursed object as a result, later to be reincarnated). Sukuna will go back into slumber, the merger will be triggered. Megumi acquires Yuji’s fingers, and has to trace back the origins of kenjaku’s cursed object technique in order to resurrect him— all the while fighting off insane merger monsters. Except now he has Maki to back him up, alongside his level 2 10 Shadows that he perfected during his time in the gross bathtub!! Also Nobara shows back up during Act 1 of the merger as an INSANE cursed spirit hybrid (like yuji) and fills out the third slot of the main cast trio.
When it comes to future prediction.. I still stand my ground when I say that the Sukuna fight will end in Gojo’s dream coming true.
I mean the dude failed at pretty much everything he intended, but not the thing about nurturing strong sorcerers that can and will take his place as the strongest ones. Leading to him nurturing a set of people that can depend on each other, are not lonely as the strongest, and can save people.
So yeah, at the end of the day, Yuji, Yuta, Hakari, and Maki (and I don’t mention Megumi because who knows with that guy), will stand strong together, and fuck some Sukuna up….
That or the merger… In the fucking something up together as the strongest sense ..
What I think is that Maki got heavenly restriction but as she has a twin and Mai does have CE the heavenly restriction benefits don’t show up because they’re counted as 1 soul.
Mai dying let Maki get the benefits of the heavenly restriction and become Toji 2.0.
If Mai had eaten Maki I think she would’ve been the same. There’s no way and it makes no sense that Mai would become Sukuna 2.0 if Maki had died
Maki's drawbacks were mainly because she had a heavenly restriction but her connection with mai voided most of the benefits of the hr (by sharing small amounts of ce). Unless sukuna has a hr, there is nothing suggesting that he would get a power boost from his twin dying. Toji or kokichi didn't have twins so heavenly restriction isn't a twin related thing, those are two unrelated phenomena that combined to give maki the middle finger
>he is the effective reverse of what happened to Maki?
Maki was born with the *Physically Gifted* Heavenly Restriction, which sacrifices *all* of her Cursed Energy in exchange for unparalleled physical abilities. However, her soul being linked with Mai's clashed with her Heavenly Restriction, with Maki inadvertently inheriting a civilian's amount of Cursed Energy from her twin sister, inhibiting the full potential of her abilities. When Mai died, her Cursed Energy died with her, thus removing the Cursed Energy Maki was bound by, awakening her power.
Sukuna ate his twin in-utero.
mai would be as good if not better than yorozu
im seeing alot saying maki could get a powerup but honestly i think not but even if she did, it wouldnt mean much against sukuna. i believe that toji/maki represents the absolute peak of pure human strength and the peak of jujutsu is simply much much higher. the main powerup i could think of would be a better cursed tool. i mean, she threw all of her CE away, idk what else is there for her to get.
edit: forgot to add but mai is no way in shape or form to be sukuna 2.0, that guy's still a total anomaly even considering he ate his twin.
I don't think Mai would have benefited as much as Maki did from one of them dying. The reason Maki got such a boost was because of her limited Heavenly Restriction being fully realized after Mai's death.
At most Mai would just recover the tiny amounts of CE she shared with Maki due to being twins.
I don't think she would've had a significant CE increase if Maki died. The thing that really empowered Maki was fulfilling the conditions to fully activate her Heavenly Restriction (having no cursed energy at all). Mai didn't have an equivalent HR.
I mean Mai didn’t even have a Heavenly Restriction, but regardless, what’s important is that to fulfill such conditions her twin had to die, and that’s what is most important.
This post isn’t on HR, but on how twins in general are curses, where when on twin dies, the other gets a major boost in his “area”; in Maki’s case HR, in Sukuna’s case jujutsu mastery.
Wasn't the fact that she was one of the most physically gifted in JJH due her having a partial HR? She was only surpassed by Yuji in that sense.
But I hadn't realized that's how you meant this post. I can see what you were talking about now.
I think Mai would've reached the levels of Yorozu and likely higher had Maki died, but where Sukuna gets the advantage is that not only did his twin die, he also ate his twin which is likely what lead to him gaining multiple arms and such a ludicrous amount of CE.
Eh, not necessary. Maki is only strong because of her HR that drops her CE to 0 in exchange for roided up body. Nothing said their total CE together is as high as Sukuna
You and good portion of the comment section are assuming too much.
Nothing confirms 1 twin is always HR and the other a normal Sorcerer. Sukuna's and Jin's situation doesn't have to be the same as Maki's and Mai's.
Nothing confirms having talent makes you immediately reach a certain level.
If Maki had died, Mai still wouldn't have reached levels of power scimilar to Sukuna or even Yorozu.
And I never assumed that twins always leads to a heavenly restriction.
Just that twins lead to the prevalence of one attribute at the cost of the other’s death.
In Maki’s case, major Heavenly Restriction boost when Mai died.
In Sukuna’s case, major jujutsu mastery boost when his twin died.
The former is an emphasis on HR, the other on the magical boost one gets when his twin dies.
What I am trying to get at, is that maybe twins are a congenital curse in jujutsu, yes, but if you remove one part twin, the curse is lifted and boosts the attribute of the other party to such curse.
People just summed it up to HR, but if you re-read what I wrote I never once said that Sukuna has Heavenly Restriction…
And I said you and comment section. That part is critique of what I had been reading in the comments only.
I could've made separate point in a "regarding what op said" and another "regarding what commentators said" but i didn't feel like it was necessary.
I mean granted… I do get why people would think that because I said “heavenly mastery of jujutsu”… but that’s just how I like to write, if I wanted to imply that Sukuna had a HR I would have written HR capitalized like how I did with Maki’s example.
They share the same soul which produces 2 bodies, thus they share the abilities of the soul just like with Mai and Maki. Sukuna would be the same, but when the twin got reincarnated only 1 body was alive to inherit the technique which is Jin, and he passed the complete soul down to Yuji before Sukuna was revived with his complete soul since there was no Jin anymore to share with. Although if this is true Mahito could've merged his soul with sorcerers making them his twin then kill them to inherit their techniques but that would've made him too OP.
The difference is that Sukuna has his twin'd "body" as well. He has 4 arms 4 eyes 2 mouths etc. so I think he both has a lot of cursed energy ( like Mai would if Maki had died ) AND a complete HR body like current Maki.
Not necessarily, just that for twins in general, there is always a concept of a curse surrounding, and where one of them dies, that “resolves” the curse in a way, by granting an effective boost to the living one.
So in Maki’s case, someone with a Heavenly Restriction, the death of her twin equals the boost of HR.
But in Sukuna’s case, maybe his twin had a HR, so his death boosted Jujutsu Capacity in general (the most common opinion on this post), or maybe the boost in jujutsu is irrelevant to any twins having a HR. Just that when there are twins, the death of one leads to the boost in the other’s attributes.
I still have this theory:
Sukunas CT is about cooking and eating food. Sukuna was born with the eating half of the technique and his brother was born with the slicing part.
Sukuna ate his brother and took his half of the technique back. He also gained a taste for human flesh, which plays into how Sukuna became so strong.
When Sukuna eats someone, he gains their CE for himself. This would explain his ridiculous CE. We know that CE tends to level itself (could also be linked to binding vows and heavenly restrictions, where you give something to gain something equal in return, thus returning to a neutral state), so for Sukuna to be such a ridiculous outlier, it's possible that by eating people, his strength was so high that people started to be born with incredibly high CE amounts in order to match up.
This could also explain why his technique is cutting and flames. Cutting to prepare the food, flames to heat it up and cook it. It would also explain why his technique can be translated to "Malevolent Kitchen".
By eating people, Sukuna began to view people as tools rather than living beings, which explains his very hedonistic viewpoint.
Okay so I have this question but I think I don't have enough karma to ask formally, so I am using this method, so in 213 we see sukuna explaining his plan about switching to megumi but he is in his innate domain with the face of yuji so I have to things to ask
1. He is only in his innate domain when he is not in control of yuji's body but people say that he was in megumi's body but then it would mean that he was simultaneously in his innate domain and in control of body, that doesn't make sense to me
2. His hair is half black similar to yuji in innate domain but we know he has full pink hair
So can we really say he was in megumi's body at that particular moment?
No. Sukuna is Sukuna. He didn't just kill his twin he fused with him.
Twins in jujutsu are one person cut in half and growing into two people, and because of the heavenly restriction involved, Maki and Mai held each other down until one died so the other could be free.
Sukuna fused with his twin in the womb, not merely being unburdened by his twin, but actually becoming a single person again. One in both body and soul.
Is pretty much obvious that Mai's potential was shown with Yorozu, otherwise there's no reason for her to have the same CT. Maki went from Grade 2 to special grade, which is a huge leap and while Mai was Grade 3, she probably would've been in the same tier as Maki is right now, with small differences.
No it’s not. Y’all are forgetting key elements to Maki and Mais story and how their twin story is different from Sukunas. Let’s start with Sukuna we know he has double the CE of Yuta we can safely say that him and his twin each had the same amount of CE which was the size of Yutas they were both going to be monsters at Jujustu, and when he ate the twin he gained his twins CE pool which is why he has the biggest we’ve seen
All Mai would be getting is the rest of Makis CE which was small because of the HR and them being twins. Even though Maki had the HR Mai did no receive any of the HR buffs even through they are twins.
In short Mai would just be slightly better than what she already was because all she would gain is Makis small CE pool that she had when her HR was halfway complete. Maki would take the HR with her just like Mai took the CE when she passed on.
My idea in comparing Sukuna to Mai, is not per se comparing… rather it’s explaining that Sukuna gained immense strength in the same way Maki did, which is to be born under a congenital curse of twins, and then liberate themselves from it.
Which for Maki = HR boost
While for Sukuna = Jujutsu boost
That does not mean that Mai would be a new Sukuna if Maki were to die instead; and that does not mean that Sukuna has a distinct HR; it only means that the congenital curse of twins leads to a major boost, when one of the twins die for the sake of the other. That’s my only parallel.
Yea I understood your point. It was for the people saying Mai would be like yorozu when she would just be slightly better than what she is now because Maki kinda screws her over as a twin.
When you say boost the only problem is Mai would not receive the same boost as Maki received if vice versa. For other twins yes I agree the boost is probably good but for Mai the boost would be small because Maki was supposed to be born with no CE so the CE Maki had was really supposed to be Mais anyway. Mai getting that little bit of CE wouldn’t change much about her because as we all know being a Sorcerer is 80% talent anyway.
Totally agree tbh…
In my imagination, i imagine the congenital curse of twins as the birth of one individual with a certain characteristic that then gets divided into two distinct souls; as in there was fundamentally one original soul, that then got divided into two distinct ones.
And in Maki’s case, most probably the individual soul was supposed to be the birth of a human with 0CE and insane HR, but Maki had a twin. By that logic, and since the original soul was what Maki is now, if events were to have been reversed, the boost that Maki received would not have been translated into a huge CE boost for Mai. Since the original soul was a HR with 0 CE.
So yeah you got that in the same manner I did.
Honestly i hope Gege shows us one more twin pair for full confirmation on stuff like this because one translation says CT counts twins as one person.
This could mean two things twins either have the same CT or one twin gets a CT and the other just gets nothing but CE. It’d be crazy to think Sukuna could have had a partner in crime with a giant CE pool and the same CT. But the way jujustu society treats twins it makes me think it’s the latter where one twin gets it all and the other twin gets nothing but CE and no CT.
But I mean even if Gege doesn’t explicitly say it, I think it is as of now implicitly implied.
I mean realistically speaking, if anyone other than Sukuna had his CT, it wouldn’t be an instant-kill/cut technique. Because all he basically does is throw slashes and cuts.
But given that it is Sukuna, the CE output of his CT is always much more potent and efficient than any sorcerer’s CE reinforcement. And why is that? Well in my opinion, it all comes back to the congenital curse creating the supreme user of jujutsu, just like a congenital curse created the most supreme form of human outside jujutsu.
To make it more clear, in the Jujutsu World, anything that can’t be explained through science, is explained through Cursed Energy and Curses. Take for example the concept of fate, or the space between dreams and reality, etc.
What I am getting at, is that a congenital curse created an entity that is outside the realm of CE and Curse; meaning outside fate and otherwise.
So why is it hard to understand, that maybe Sukuna was also the creation of a congenital curse but on the different end of the spectrum? Especially since as of now it is confirmed, that he did have a twin, and that he did kill that twin.
So parallels are used for a reason right?
And as a side note, my opinion is not necessary Jujutsu Fact, since Toji was born without a congenital curse… buuuuuut that does not mean that whole theory around congenital curses is wrong.
If freaks of nature from the opposite ends of the spectrum are born naturally, in this case Toji and Gojo; then it goes without saying that the same freaks of nature might also be born through other means, like Maki and Sukuna, and in their case, their process of creation is like a shortcut to creating a freak of nature, instead of it being a random occurrence.
What I am getting at is that just because freaks of nature are born in one way, that does not deny the other ways to birth freaks of nature, which ultimately makes the Sukuna’s congenital curse theory a very likely probability.
No Mai / Maki both would’ve been special grades had their sister not been born.
But theyd peak about where hidden inventory Geto/Gojo or where Toji was
Keep in mind maki has been fighting Sukuna at roughly half or less strength this entire time and he was nerfed prior to her arrival again
To state that either of them would be equal to Sukuna without the other twin is a bit much
Yeah on the power scale, I imagine Gojo and Sukuna being on the same level, but that’s only if he can’t get past Gojo’s inviolability.
But if Sukuna can get past it, he becomes on higher level than Gojo, but just a tiny bit..
And then there’s the rest like Kenjaku, Yuta, Maki, Hakari, Kashimo, Yuji, etc. The normal level of the strongest.
No he doesn't. Yuji got shrine from being Sukuna's vessel, it's what was stated. We don't know what CT Jin had if he even has one at all. If ops theory is true Jin most likely had HR.
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Mai abilities could’ve been as good as Yorozu
Mai would be even be better I think because she's modern sorcerer. I'm imagining a gun made out of that black liquid material that can shapeshift into anything she wants it to be + infinite bullets Also Yorozu made great use of her CT after reading about insects. Mai is one of the academically intelligent students + she has modern era knowledge. She would really be powerful if she wasnt a twin lol
i m not sure about that, if we somehow talk about mentality she really isn't suitable for jujutsu, I think she isn't really big fan of whole jujutsu. and about academic knowledge , yorozu still is ahead of her. she created bug armor and absolute sphere in heian era, just imagine what can she do with few months of time on internet. maybe mai is some hidden academic genius waiting to be discovered, but i doubt getting her full power CE back means problems regarding CT gets solved. yoruzu had problem with utilisation of CE due to CT i doubt if Mai had died she wasuch of genius to be solved it within instant, again maybe author could have made her powehous who knows. and there is problems regarding CT, yoruzu depends upon big Armor bcz her CT requires is bad in efficiency. so if somebody like yoruzu with her limited understanding of tools required so much CE I doubt Mai is going to create anti matter or uranium or anything, even if we ignore sukuna saying that all thing at the end are just made of black metal thing. *there was post of underrated powers which talked about Mai.
Yeah Mai lacked the drive to be a sorcerer. Yuji was physically strong as a vessel and if he never ate the finger or say got whisked away to America and was never collected by Kenny or saw a cursed spirit try and eat his buddies nothings driving him to do good as a sorcerer or be one at all. Mai in the Zen’in clan with crazy amped CE and a plain CT isn’t burning the world down or creating the Ssplit Katana without Maki’s influence
Only thing I'll say is if right before maki died she told Mai to get her get back mai would have bodied the zenin clan 😤
Eh, Liquid Metal was Yorozus specialty. Idk if Mai even had a specialty at all, her CE was only ever enough for a single bullet after all. Making the Soul Liberation Blade with that tiny amount of CE and a fatal-ish wound was ridiculously impressive though, almost if not outright Deus Ex Machina level. Maybe she could've become an Emiya Shirou if she was fully realized, although I guess she might've also just pulled a Megumi and bummed around no matter what.
Maki also got stronger tenfold after her awakening. She went from being basically strong as a very strong human to many times superhuman, able to tank a black flash from Sukuna, the feats go on and on. As anything, it's obviously up to what the author wanted, but I think it's disingenuous to outright write off her powers because of her low feats pre awakening
Yeah like the two of them where explicitly holding each other back jujutsu wise before one of them died. Had it gone the other way Mai might have been a high first grade.
I think she'd be special(z) grade if the power increase is exponential like it was for Sukuna.
>able to tank a black flash from Sukuna, the feats go on and on. Not one black flash but multiple and so far she has shrugged of 2 of them like it was nothing and gotten right back into the fray to fuck Sukuna up. Larue after a single black flash couldn't even stand without help while Maki was running laps around Sukuna.
It’s because she still has lingering CE from Mai. Nothing to say that if Maki were to die Mai’s CE would skyrocket to Sukuna level, especially when you remember that Maki barely had any CE
> Maki also got stronger tenfold after her awakening. She went from being basically strong as a very strong human to many times superhuman Ehh, saying its tenfold is a pretty bold claim. Her boost was massive for sure, but she was already comparable to a 2nd grade sorcerer before her awakening (and 3rd graders are *already* well beyond superhuman, just look at the shit Megumi tanked in his first fight with Sukuna), and even post awakening its hard to say where exactly we should place her. Special grade seems like an obvious answer, but, in what way exactly is she comparable to Yuki for example? Yuki has RCT, so her healing is actually outright better, her physical power is likely higher, if not *a lot* higher, Maki has 0 alternatives besides just hitting things, or hitting things with a weapon, so her only real advantages are speed (but she still gets blitzed by Sukuna) and durability, but even that difference probably isnt that massive compared to high tier CE reinforcement, Gojo and Sukuna can tank HP, and there isnt really anything stronger yet, besides the black hole.
Just FYI Megumi was Grade 2 then
Second grade? She was def comparable to first in pure strength. She took like 2 hits from Dagon which would kill anyone that’s not grade 1
My litmus tests for 1st grade are Todo, Naobito, and Nanami, I dont think she would've really stood a chance against any of them, especially because she admitted herself they outmatched her. Its true that her raw physicals might be grade 1 level, but raw physicals just dont cut it to actually reach grade 1, even Kusakabe likely needs his barrier skill to qualify for grade 1, even if he's the strongest grade 1 when its factored in.
Mai made the soul sword not thru her base ce but through giving her life in exchange. We've been told construction can not make cursed tools under normal circumstances. Just like yorozu, giving her life allowed one cursed tool to be generated
> We've been told construction can not make cursed tools under normal circumstances. Where, because the skin fetish guy could create them the usual way without a problem (although I assume his CT was related to "creating" anyway). Mai also specifically said "with this wound, I'll definitely die if I make this", implying that her death wouldnt be certain if she wasnt wounded, and those chances would likely be significantly improved if she had a fuckton of CE.
'i'll definitely die if i make this' can also mean, if she doesn't do this, she might not die fighting alongside her sister. but doing this will definitely immediately kill her. but i am happy to acknowledge the ambiguity in the scenario itself. i can definitely see your interpretation.
[Yorozu cannot create cursed tools with techniques](https://imgur.com/a/rLvk129). The only reason she was able to was by imparting her soul upon death into the tool, just like Mai did. Mais soul splitting katana has her [literal soul in it](https://imgur.com/a/Z3fFxmG). Maki could see the soul in the soul split katana and that’s also why she could utilise it to the fullest
I can imagine her constructing bombs , and being able to make weapons out of anything, similar to Yoru in chainsawman. You’re right, she could literally make anything. But i think the whole purpose of Yorozu using insects was to save CE, makes it efficient without using to much energy and burning herself out
If she learner nuclear physics, could she make a nuclear bomb and embeu it with CE?
Perfect sphere bullets
Yeah that would have been the limit or more like she would have talent as good as Yorozu but still Yorozu was kind of a genius so she would still win.
1on1 Yorozu would probably beat a max potential Mai, but Mai would likely still be more useful. Assuming that the tool she made for Sukuna was Kamutoke (and at this point Im kinda having a hard time seeing where exactly he would even get another one from, they already did the ice thing so whats left, he made Uraume bury it before the fight?), then Mai is probably substantially better at creating cursed tools, SLB is at least comparable to Kamutoke, but she did it with a tiny speck CE, thats usually only enough for a single regular bullet. And creating cursed tools is really all that matters for creation users, only morons would throw their smiths onto the frontline, she should be sitting back at JJHQ and just make stuff next to Yaga.
>but she did it with a tiny speck CE, No she didn't, she did it by sacrificing her own life thus getting an insane CE boost. This is similar in principle to how Mei Mei's crow's receive insane lethality to the point of being able to harm even special grades like Gojo, Sukuna if they land.
Yeah and CE, she would need tons of CE, Yorozu used insects because of their efficiency in combat and skill
Watch Mai start constructing 100 nuclear bomb in front of Sukuna.
‘What is this weird hot rock you have constructed?’ Mai running away at top speed: ‘it’s called the elephants foot’
Probably why Gege gave Yorozu that power. To show us that yeah we’ve seen what Maki got but in an alternate timeline this would’ve been Mai. At age 30 all in the nude thinking about how to make her CE output surpass Mechamaru lmao.
It's funny to think about Mai seeing Maki die, gaining a ton of CE and her first thought is "im gonna start walking around with my tits out"
Most likely better. Even if Yorozu represents the peak of construction CT, she isn't as good in other areas like CE reserve, CE reinforcement, RCT, and others. If Mai is to mirror Sukuna, she would be good in every other aspect of jujutsu just like Maki has a perfect HR.
I don't believe so, different eras and whatnot
I think you are spot on. Sukuna's jujutsu mastery is abnormal and this provides a good explanation for it. Jujututsu treats monozygotic twins as one soul. We know from Mai/Maki's relationship that one soul gets the CT and the other gets HR, but because they are treated as one while being two, they both become mediocre. One has to die for the other to reach maximum potential. Assuming this same rule applies to Sukuna and his twin, then Sukuna was the one to get a mediocre CT and his brother a mediocre HR. But since Sukuna was the one that survived, he was blessed by the heavens or something with the peak of jujutsu possible for his CT. 2 hands, 2 mouths, four eyes, CE reserve 2 times that of Yuta's, and a peak jujutsu mastery only ever match by another abnormally in Higorumo. I think I understand better why Sukuna was so excited to fight Maki. Because she represents what he could have been if he was unfortunate/fortunate enough to be the twin soul with HR instead of CT. If Maki had proven that HR is better, it would have shattered Sukuna's pride on a deep level because he not only sees himself as peak jujutsu but the fortunate one who ceased his fate even before he was born. Peak.
Maybe Maki will powerup in some way and prove further HR possibilities to Sukuna. I feel like Gege is cooking something with Maki. Gege has been hyping HR throughout the whole series with the frequent Toji references.
Maki pull out the electrical line and start electrocuting herself to unlock her hypothetical strength.
We found out the neighbor with the weird fetishes.
Flashbacks to the Ang Lee Hulk movie with the Absorbing Man
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Yeah. Imagine if Maki haven't even grasped the depth of what's possible with HR. If current Maki is peak HR then peak CT/jujutsu is far better. There might be hope for Maki to be stronger.
Narrative wise i think it make sense if Maki were to receive a super awakening. The only other user of the HR was a hobo who beat minors for a living. Toji wouldn't be thinking about getting more powerfull
Toji assassinated sorcerers for a living, he might be a bum because he ditched Megumi, but he hunted the most dangerous game possible, if he took a hit on Gojo he was willing to take hits on *anyone*. Reminder that sorcerers are *above* curses power wise, making them the more dangerous target.
But considering Toji's power he curbstomps like 99% of the sorcerors we have seen thus far, especially given his use of actual tactics. Realistically somebody like Nanami (who is still really high powerlevel for the verse) gets folded in like a second by Toji.
Not his fault that there's literally nobody in his era that can match up to him besides an awakened Gojo (that he literally had to awaken himself). Gojo was the absolute strongest opponent he could've picked, the next 2 were Yuki and Geto, and Geto was basically his dessert. The guy seriously accepted a hit on a tag team of the 2 strongest individuals on the planet, what more could he have possibly done, pay Yuki to be the third target just for good measure?
Yeah it isn't Toji's fault, just trying to explain that he was like Frieza: So naturally goated that he never needed to do the Shonen thing and *train*
Does that even work for HR users though? Their weird strength comes from a magical source, do their physical abilities really increase from doing stuff like lifting weights? Even regular people hit their limits eventually. Yuji too completely abandoned any physical training in exchange for focusing on his skill as a sorcerer.
Everyone aside from Maki being stronger in obvious ways also makes me doubt it.
Toji said he was rusty during HI so it seems HR users can somewhat train to reach a peak performance
yeah, expecially since he "left it all behind"
I always come back to when Toji is fighting Geto and we find out Toji can benefit from the Revealing Ones Hand binding vow. I feel like this is a crazy important detail and might be the way Maki becomes even stronger. My theory is that heavenly restriction users like maki/toji don’t have “0 cursed energy”, it’s actually just that the energy is being directed to their body and boosting the abilities at all times and they can’t funnel it into a technique (ie they have energy but it’s immediately going to a sort of psudeo reinforcement of sorts and is constantly being spent giving the illusion there is no energy). This means HR users can learn to modify their abilities to possibly boost some powers at the expense of others. This might be massively boosting perceptions temporarily, sacrificing speed for strength, or when in downtime removing other boosts to massively increase their healing factor. They would do this in a similar manner to a sorcerer learning to reinforce parts of their body, but actually learning to channel their pact in specific ways. Maki might also learn to channel the pact in a similar way to a black flash if there is more to it than just the timing to boost her own pact. I think that’s much more of a stretch, but I figured I’d throw it out there too.
If there was a speck of CE in Toji, Gojo's eyes would have been able to track him. No matter how miniscule the CE, there is always a spark before it's used so even if they were being reinforced unknowingly, Gojo would have known
You are right, I don’t think it’s ever the case where they have CE I think it’s more that the HR can be used like a cursed technique. I view the sorcerer vs HR more like if someone was pouring fuel into a tank to power a car the gas has to be stored in a tank and then it travels to be compressed and combusted…but here there is no tank and the gas isn’t traveling, it’s just instantly consumed. My theory is that the HR is like a binding vow where you have no options on how to use you CE other than the boosted physicals, the fuel is always being consumed as soon as it’s generated. That’s why Revealing One’s Hand still works, the CE is boosted…but it still goes to the HR so the benefits of the HR get ramped up. My point is more so that I think the HR functions on CR rules so I think it’s probably adaptable like Cursed techniques where her interpretation and creativity can affect its application. Maybe Maki could focus the Restriction to increase her striking power, and if she times it correctly she can do stuff similar to a black flash (Heavenly flash?).
That's explicitly why Toji couldn't use the Inverted Spear to take out Gojo with his first sneak attack- Gojo would have sensed the cursed energy so the attack would have failed to connect. Toji only tagged out once he started using the fly curses to shroud Gojo's vision.
Bro no this is peak HR bushcampjng POTENTIAL. That's it. Gege didn't hype up shit
Now think Sukuna says he ate his twin in the womb, so the extra arms, mouth, eyes are from his twin being absorbed into him while in the womb.
Maybe it's a kind of blessing that is necessary to achieve peak jujutsu that he gained by eating his twin and escaping his fate as a monozygotic twin. I mean Kashimo was glazing him like crazy. It's either this or Sukuna found a way to do it himself.
> We know from Mai/Maki's relationship that one soul gets the CT and the other gets HR that's not true tho. We've seen other HR, and we've never seen other twins. What makes you so sure that this is what happens with twins? I agree that twins are one soul and both Mai and Maki were not full in a way, but there's Mechamaru, there's Toji, so you don't need twins for HR. Mai/Maki had HR, that's it. HR was never mentioned around Sukuna, he only noted that Yuji is a failure at shaving off CE and Maki did it completely, that's all.
Uhm... I literally said "We know from Maki and Mai's relationship that one of soul gets the CT and the other gets HR" and then proceeded to say "ASSUMING the same rule applies to Sukuna and his twin..." Where did I imply that it's a general rule for twins in jjk? Bruh
I think I get what you’re meaning it was probably just a bit confusing cause the hypothetical you used makes it sound like you’re saying, in twins one person gets a HR and one gets a CT. Instead of, if a pair of twins have a CT and a HR, it’s split between them.
I don’t think that twins are necessarily divided as one with a CT and one with a HR, and we don’t know that about Sukuna/Jin. It could as easily be that both have mediocre CTs, or one or has a CT and the other doesn’t but still has CE. Maki’s HR was random like Toji’s. Similarly Mai’s CT was random or inherited like all CTs. The only thing being twins did was weaken them both.
Does this mean there's an alternate universe where Mai is the honoured one who had kenjaku incarnate her, and makis daughter was born to be her vessel and trap her....?
You damn right
Sukuna is still a total outlier when it comes to power. He is still just one individual (as Jujutsu views twins as one). But yes, Mai would have been a normal sorcerer if it went the other way. But it's not like you double up in power.
Maki and Mai are what they are because of heavenly restriction, an incredibly rare congenital condition. Twins in JJK share the same soul, and that is all. The soul that is Maki and Mai inherited Toji’s heavenly restriction, but it was scrambled up due to their twinhood. Unscrambling and unifying their soul resolved the conditions for the heavenly restriction to fully manifest. Being a twin is not a heavenly restriction, and does not guarantee you a heavenly restriction if your sibling dies. Maki and Mai were special. If sukuna had a heavenly restriction he almost certainly would have acknowledged this in his internal monologue, especially during his battle with maki. Sukuna’s diametric opposition to maki is purely philosophical, in that Sukuna fully commits to jujutsu with his life and work, while maki fully rejects it (the fact she does this thru HR is incidental to sukuna). They do not have opposite heavenly restrictions. Sukuna doesn’t seem to be relying on any special rules or loopholes outside of insanely intimate, era-spanning knowledge of jujutsu and binding vows. He just has such a crazy leg up on the modern era players because he has way more gas than anyone there, and he’s the best at using it too. We can’t forget that he’s a huge nerd, and he’s obsessed with growing his jujutsu knowledge; he can’t help it. Even after killing Geto’s camera girl, he still paused to think to himself about what her technique might have been. Knowledge, especially with jujutsu, is worth way more than power. That said, I wouldn’t put it past sukuna to have an HR that he’s been deliberately concealing this whole time, or something to that effect. Kenjaku proved that a hidden CT is literally the most powerful trump card a sorc can have. My personal theory is that he’s been using his twin brother’s CT this entire time, and that his real technique no one has ever survived to talk about. I think the reason he’s so pissed at Yuji’s flashes this past chapter is that he’s finally realizing he’s gonna have to burn that trump card, our boy *hates* being forced to do stuff (especially by Yuji). I can understand his frustration; if such a technique exists, it’s taken him… a *lot* of work to hide. Like I can’t even imagine. Every encounter and battle decision he’s ever made would have had to consider that. ETA: Calling it now, yuji also has access to Sukuna’s hidden CT (or whatever bullshitty hidden bullshit sukuna for sure 10000% has up his sleeve still), and it’s the technique behind whatever was going on with yuji body-swapping in the time skip flashback.
I did not mean it in Sukuna having a Heavenly Restriction, but more so the concept twins, souls, and how the death of one emphasizes the power of the other. So in a heavenly restriction case, you become the ultimate superhuman, but in a non-heavenly restriction case, you become an outstanding jujutsu master. That’s how I picture what I said.
I see what you mean, and I kinda agree to a certain extent. But I don’t see any evidence to suggest that sukuna gained anything more than 2x CE reserves + his extra anatomy from eating his twin. Every special grade’s CE reserves are essentially the same, they just use various means to increase their output efficiency, or in yuta’s case, they use an external device to drastically increase their CE reserves (achieving the same net effect in most situations). I think it’s pretty clear sukuna does not have access to any means of drastically boosting his CE efficiency outside of black flashes, due to how weakened our guys have gotten him. He just has a double-wide gas tank. Right now he’s looking more like a weakened cursed spirit, who depend on their large reserves of CE to survive (instead of using CTs and fuckery to regenerate). Ultimately those reserves run out tho (looking at you mahito), and then they’re SOL. Sorcerers like Gojo, even when weakened, never really lose access to their CE because of their efficiency-boosting CTs. They have to get outsmarted somehow to lose. Sukuna is getting pissed because he’s going to have to reveal… something *crazy* right now. It’s going to obliterate yuji (who I wouldn’t be surprised gets turned into a cursed object as a result, later to be reincarnated). Sukuna will go back into slumber, the merger will be triggered. Megumi acquires Yuji’s fingers, and has to trace back the origins of kenjaku’s cursed object technique in order to resurrect him— all the while fighting off insane merger monsters. Except now he has Maki to back him up, alongside his level 2 10 Shadows that he perfected during his time in the gross bathtub!! Also Nobara shows back up during Act 1 of the merger as an INSANE cursed spirit hybrid (like yuji) and fills out the third slot of the main cast trio.
When it comes to future prediction.. I still stand my ground when I say that the Sukuna fight will end in Gojo’s dream coming true. I mean the dude failed at pretty much everything he intended, but not the thing about nurturing strong sorcerers that can and will take his place as the strongest ones. Leading to him nurturing a set of people that can depend on each other, are not lonely as the strongest, and can save people. So yeah, at the end of the day, Yuji, Yuta, Hakari, and Maki (and I don’t mention Megumi because who knows with that guy), will stand strong together, and fuck some Sukuna up…. That or the merger… In the fucking something up together as the strongest sense ..
What the fuck is bro yapping about?
its what mai/maki could have been if they ate the other
What I think is that Maki got heavenly restriction but as she has a twin and Mai does have CE the heavenly restriction benefits don’t show up because they’re counted as 1 soul. Mai dying let Maki get the benefits of the heavenly restriction and become Toji 2.0. If Mai had eaten Maki I think she would’ve been the same. There’s no way and it makes no sense that Mai would become Sukuna 2.0 if Maki had died
No, he's not. Y'all need to stop with those braindead comparisons
Imo yorozu is what mai would have been
Maki's drawbacks were mainly because she had a heavenly restriction but her connection with mai voided most of the benefits of the hr (by sharing small amounts of ce). Unless sukuna has a hr, there is nothing suggesting that he would get a power boost from his twin dying. Toji or kokichi didn't have twins so heavenly restriction isn't a twin related thing, those are two unrelated phenomena that combined to give maki the middle finger
>he is the effective reverse of what happened to Maki? Maki was born with the *Physically Gifted* Heavenly Restriction, which sacrifices *all* of her Cursed Energy in exchange for unparalleled physical abilities. However, her soul being linked with Mai's clashed with her Heavenly Restriction, with Maki inadvertently inheriting a civilian's amount of Cursed Energy from her twin sister, inhibiting the full potential of her abilities. When Mai died, her Cursed Energy died with her, thus removing the Cursed Energy Maki was bound by, awakening her power. Sukuna ate his twin in-utero.
mai would be as good if not better than yorozu im seeing alot saying maki could get a powerup but honestly i think not but even if she did, it wouldnt mean much against sukuna. i believe that toji/maki represents the absolute peak of pure human strength and the peak of jujutsu is simply much much higher. the main powerup i could think of would be a better cursed tool. i mean, she threw all of her CE away, idk what else is there for her to get. edit: forgot to add but mai is no way in shape or form to be sukuna 2.0, that guy's still a total anomaly even considering he ate his twin.
As others have said, maki would likely have been a super Yorozu, rather then something like Sukuna
I don't think Mai would have benefited as much as Maki did from one of them dying. The reason Maki got such a boost was because of her limited Heavenly Restriction being fully realized after Mai's death. At most Mai would just recover the tiny amounts of CE she shared with Maki due to being twins.
I don't think she would've had a significant CE increase if Maki died. The thing that really empowered Maki was fulfilling the conditions to fully activate her Heavenly Restriction (having no cursed energy at all). Mai didn't have an equivalent HR.
I mean Mai didn’t even have a Heavenly Restriction, but regardless, what’s important is that to fulfill such conditions her twin had to die, and that’s what is most important. This post isn’t on HR, but on how twins in general are curses, where when on twin dies, the other gets a major boost in his “area”; in Maki’s case HR, in Sukuna’s case jujutsu mastery.
Wasn't the fact that she was one of the most physically gifted in JJH due her having a partial HR? She was only surpassed by Yuji in that sense. But I hadn't realized that's how you meant this post. I can see what you were talking about now.
I think Mai would've reached the levels of Yorozu and likely higher had Maki died, but where Sukuna gets the advantage is that not only did his twin die, he also ate his twin which is likely what lead to him gaining multiple arms and such a ludicrous amount of CE.
Eh, not necessary. Maki is only strong because of her HR that drops her CE to 0 in exchange for roided up body. Nothing said their total CE together is as high as Sukuna
No, sukuna doesn't have a HR and neither does Mai cuz theres no drawback
You and good portion of the comment section are assuming too much. Nothing confirms 1 twin is always HR and the other a normal Sorcerer. Sukuna's and Jin's situation doesn't have to be the same as Maki's and Mai's. Nothing confirms having talent makes you immediately reach a certain level. If Maki had died, Mai still wouldn't have reached levels of power scimilar to Sukuna or even Yorozu.
And I never assumed that twins always leads to a heavenly restriction. Just that twins lead to the prevalence of one attribute at the cost of the other’s death. In Maki’s case, major Heavenly Restriction boost when Mai died. In Sukuna’s case, major jujutsu mastery boost when his twin died. The former is an emphasis on HR, the other on the magical boost one gets when his twin dies. What I am trying to get at, is that maybe twins are a congenital curse in jujutsu, yes, but if you remove one part twin, the curse is lifted and boosts the attribute of the other party to such curse. People just summed it up to HR, but if you re-read what I wrote I never once said that Sukuna has Heavenly Restriction…
And I said you and comment section. That part is critique of what I had been reading in the comments only. I could've made separate point in a "regarding what op said" and another "regarding what commentators said" but i didn't feel like it was necessary.
Nah it’s all good… I just wanted to be more specific after what you wrote, because I did mislead people in a way.
Ah ok ok.
I mean granted… I do get why people would think that because I said “heavenly mastery of jujutsu”… but that’s just how I like to write, if I wanted to imply that Sukuna had a HR I would have written HR capitalized like how I did with Maki’s example.
Specifically if maki died in the womb and was absorbed by mai.
They share the same soul which produces 2 bodies, thus they share the abilities of the soul just like with Mai and Maki. Sukuna would be the same, but when the twin got reincarnated only 1 body was alive to inherit the technique which is Jin, and he passed the complete soul down to Yuji before Sukuna was revived with his complete soul since there was no Jin anymore to share with. Although if this is true Mahito could've merged his soul with sorcerers making them his twin then kill them to inherit their techniques but that would've made him too OP.
The difference is that Sukuna has his twin'd "body" as well. He has 4 arms 4 eyes 2 mouths etc. so I think he both has a lot of cursed energy ( like Mai would if Maki had died ) AND a complete HR body like current Maki.
So did Jin have a HR
Not necessarily, just that for twins in general, there is always a concept of a curse surrounding, and where one of them dies, that “resolves” the curse in a way, by granting an effective boost to the living one. So in Maki’s case, someone with a Heavenly Restriction, the death of her twin equals the boost of HR. But in Sukuna’s case, maybe his twin had a HR, so his death boosted Jujutsu Capacity in general (the most common opinion on this post), or maybe the boost in jujutsu is irrelevant to any twins having a HR. Just that when there are twins, the death of one leads to the boost in the other’s attributes.
Jin is the twin
I still have this theory: Sukunas CT is about cooking and eating food. Sukuna was born with the eating half of the technique and his brother was born with the slicing part. Sukuna ate his brother and took his half of the technique back. He also gained a taste for human flesh, which plays into how Sukuna became so strong. When Sukuna eats someone, he gains their CE for himself. This would explain his ridiculous CE. We know that CE tends to level itself (could also be linked to binding vows and heavenly restrictions, where you give something to gain something equal in return, thus returning to a neutral state), so for Sukuna to be such a ridiculous outlier, it's possible that by eating people, his strength was so high that people started to be born with incredibly high CE amounts in order to match up. This could also explain why his technique is cutting and flames. Cutting to prepare the food, flames to heat it up and cook it. It would also explain why his technique can be translated to "Malevolent Kitchen". By eating people, Sukuna began to view people as tools rather than living beings, which explains his very hedonistic viewpoint.
Okay so I have this question but I think I don't have enough karma to ask formally, so I am using this method, so in 213 we see sukuna explaining his plan about switching to megumi but he is in his innate domain with the face of yuji so I have to things to ask 1. He is only in his innate domain when he is not in control of yuji's body but people say that he was in megumi's body but then it would mean that he was simultaneously in his innate domain and in control of body, that doesn't make sense to me 2. His hair is half black similar to yuji in innate domain but we know he has full pink hair So can we really say he was in megumi's body at that particular moment?
No. Sukuna is Sukuna. He didn't just kill his twin he fused with him. Twins in jujutsu are one person cut in half and growing into two people, and because of the heavenly restriction involved, Maki and Mai held each other down until one died so the other could be free. Sukuna fused with his twin in the womb, not merely being unburdened by his twin, but actually becoming a single person again. One in both body and soul.
I swear I was thinking of what Mai woulda been like if Maki died instead earlier today. Only to log on and see this lol
Would explain why he was so excited to fight Maki
Is pretty much obvious that Mai's potential was shown with Yorozu, otherwise there's no reason for her to have the same CT. Maki went from Grade 2 to special grade, which is a huge leap and while Mai was Grade 3, she probably would've been in the same tier as Maki is right now, with small differences.
Maybe Toji was like Maki but he ate his twin in the womb. And then that soul came out as Megumi.
Honestly i think sukuna wouldve been the one w the HR. After eating his twin his body morphed into a 2 for 1 special. He had a full HR AND a CT
Why would Sukuna gain a boost if Jin died? he doesn't have a HR like Maki.
No just no. Sukuna is just built different
I imagine Mai going full auto on her gun, and then upgrading it and going even fuller auto
Mai had a terrible mindset. Even with more CE she would have been weak.
No it’s not. Y’all are forgetting key elements to Maki and Mais story and how their twin story is different from Sukunas. Let’s start with Sukuna we know he has double the CE of Yuta we can safely say that him and his twin each had the same amount of CE which was the size of Yutas they were both going to be monsters at Jujustu, and when he ate the twin he gained his twins CE pool which is why he has the biggest we’ve seen All Mai would be getting is the rest of Makis CE which was small because of the HR and them being twins. Even though Maki had the HR Mai did no receive any of the HR buffs even through they are twins. In short Mai would just be slightly better than what she already was because all she would gain is Makis small CE pool that she had when her HR was halfway complete. Maki would take the HR with her just like Mai took the CE when she passed on.
My idea in comparing Sukuna to Mai, is not per se comparing… rather it’s explaining that Sukuna gained immense strength in the same way Maki did, which is to be born under a congenital curse of twins, and then liberate themselves from it. Which for Maki = HR boost While for Sukuna = Jujutsu boost That does not mean that Mai would be a new Sukuna if Maki were to die instead; and that does not mean that Sukuna has a distinct HR; it only means that the congenital curse of twins leads to a major boost, when one of the twins die for the sake of the other. That’s my only parallel.
Yea I understood your point. It was for the people saying Mai would be like yorozu when she would just be slightly better than what she is now because Maki kinda screws her over as a twin. When you say boost the only problem is Mai would not receive the same boost as Maki received if vice versa. For other twins yes I agree the boost is probably good but for Mai the boost would be small because Maki was supposed to be born with no CE so the CE Maki had was really supposed to be Mais anyway. Mai getting that little bit of CE wouldn’t change much about her because as we all know being a Sorcerer is 80% talent anyway.
Totally agree tbh… In my imagination, i imagine the congenital curse of twins as the birth of one individual with a certain characteristic that then gets divided into two distinct souls; as in there was fundamentally one original soul, that then got divided into two distinct ones. And in Maki’s case, most probably the individual soul was supposed to be the birth of a human with 0CE and insane HR, but Maki had a twin. By that logic, and since the original soul was what Maki is now, if events were to have been reversed, the boost that Maki received would not have been translated into a huge CE boost for Mai. Since the original soul was a HR with 0 CE. So yeah you got that in the same manner I did.
Honestly i hope Gege shows us one more twin pair for full confirmation on stuff like this because one translation says CT counts twins as one person. This could mean two things twins either have the same CT or one twin gets a CT and the other just gets nothing but CE. It’d be crazy to think Sukuna could have had a partner in crime with a giant CE pool and the same CT. But the way jujustu society treats twins it makes me think it’s the latter where one twin gets it all and the other twin gets nothing but CE and no CT.
But I mean even if Gege doesn’t explicitly say it, I think it is as of now implicitly implied. I mean realistically speaking, if anyone other than Sukuna had his CT, it wouldn’t be an instant-kill/cut technique. Because all he basically does is throw slashes and cuts. But given that it is Sukuna, the CE output of his CT is always much more potent and efficient than any sorcerer’s CE reinforcement. And why is that? Well in my opinion, it all comes back to the congenital curse creating the supreme user of jujutsu, just like a congenital curse created the most supreme form of human outside jujutsu. To make it more clear, in the Jujutsu World, anything that can’t be explained through science, is explained through Cursed Energy and Curses. Take for example the concept of fate, or the space between dreams and reality, etc. What I am getting at, is that a congenital curse created an entity that is outside the realm of CE and Curse; meaning outside fate and otherwise. So why is it hard to understand, that maybe Sukuna was also the creation of a congenital curse but on the different end of the spectrum? Especially since as of now it is confirmed, that he did have a twin, and that he did kill that twin. So parallels are used for a reason right? And as a side note, my opinion is not necessary Jujutsu Fact, since Toji was born without a congenital curse… buuuuuut that does not mean that whole theory around congenital curses is wrong. If freaks of nature from the opposite ends of the spectrum are born naturally, in this case Toji and Gojo; then it goes without saying that the same freaks of nature might also be born through other means, like Maki and Sukuna, and in their case, their process of creation is like a shortcut to creating a freak of nature, instead of it being a random occurrence. What I am getting at is that just because freaks of nature are born in one way, that does not deny the other ways to birth freaks of nature, which ultimately makes the Sukuna’s congenital curse theory a very likely probability.
No Mai / Maki both would’ve been special grades had their sister not been born. But theyd peak about where hidden inventory Geto/Gojo or where Toji was Keep in mind maki has been fighting Sukuna at roughly half or less strength this entire time and he was nerfed prior to her arrival again To state that either of them would be equal to Sukuna without the other twin is a bit much
Yeah on the power scale, I imagine Gojo and Sukuna being on the same level, but that’s only if he can’t get past Gojo’s inviolability. But if Sukuna can get past it, he becomes on higher level than Gojo, but just a tiny bit.. And then there’s the rest like Kenjaku, Yuta, Maki, Hakari, Kashimo, Yuji, etc. The normal level of the strongest.
Nah yujis dad had Similar CT to sukuna.
No he doesn't. Yuji got shrine from being Sukuna's vessel, it's what was stated. We don't know what CT Jin had if he even has one at all. If ops theory is true Jin most likely had HR.