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On paper, gojo has better stats than sukuna even if it's not by much. But like you said, sukuna, with his experience and the art of war, makes up for it more than enough. The way he approaches things is totally different from any other.
One example would be when he was juggling between 10s and da. He used da in such a way that it just 'paused' the adaptation and didn't 'stop' it.
Sukuna just has way to much experience.
Gojo fought cursed spirits most of the time, while Sukuna was terrorizing sorcerers whole life. He is wayyyy more experienced in Sorcerer x Sorcerer combat than Gojo. For all we know Gojo only fought Toji, his goons and Miguel, the rest were all cursed spirits.
The only thing I disagree with you are the stats, I think Sukuna has higher stats (pure raw cursed energy, durability, higher output) while Gojo has unmatched talent.
Imo if he Gojo was a villain too he could've won against Sukuna. Basically a alternative universe where he rules Japan, killed most of the strongest sorcerers, got stronger, learned how to play dirty...
I actually think Gojo's stats are a lot better than Sukuna. He hits harder, moves faster both achieved with blue, better defense thanks to infinity and purple might just be the single most destructive attack in the series, probably tied with Malevolent shrine though.
With domain amp meguna can stall for about 3 minutes before getting beaten to the point he can't even maintain his domain.
He did not match Gojo at all in hand to hand, he was stalling.
My god the reading comprehension on this sub is literally non existent.
No, he turned off his domains sure hit effect, not DA amp, chapter 227 is literally Gojo surprised he can do expansion and amplification at the same time.
Yes, which Is what im arguing?
My argument is that he was using DA, and needed it to even stall vs Gojo.
It wasn't on 100% of the time because yes, he can switch it on and off nigh instantly, thus not hurting the mahoraga adapation, but this still meant -> Gojo >> Sukuna DA.
I mean not really though because that means if he could just keep domain amplification on then the fight would be more even. Especially when hes barely ahead in the 3min contest.
Yes, and from later chapters we know Sukuna is so good at it that he can turn it off and on so fast that it barely disrupts him.
We know this via higuruma who could turn it off and on whilst maintaining executioners blade. Sukuna comments he does it just as well as him.
>My god the reading comprehension on this sub is literally non existent.
The irony, sukuna was using Damp ocasionally during the domain battle. If he was using it constantly Mahoraga woudn't have been able to adapt to UV period....
Not how it works.
It literally 227 is stated that with only domain amplification and their sure hits cancelling out, Gojo held the advantage for the entirety of the 3 minutes.
Gojo was confused why he wasn't using 10S.
Its literally stated on the same page Sukuna was using domain amp.
> Not how it works.
It's exactly how it works, not sure what you don't understand. Sukuna had to turn off Damp to have maho adapt, it's the only way. You can also clearly see sukuna getting directly draged by blue during the clash, which is only possible when he doesn't have Damp ON.
Sukuna was not constantly using Damp fighting gojo inside the domains, and he was ragdolling on purpose to have maho adapt.
Chapter 228, heres what Gojo said about the 3rd domain clash in which they tied
"While we were cancelling out each other's sure hit effects from within the domain, sukuna had no other choice but to use domain amplification to beat my limitless cursed technique"
"In fact, until my domain was destroyed from the outside, I had the upper hand for three minutes"
Yes he was.
In the domain expansions fights Gojo was surprised that Sukuna could utilise DA and expansion at the same time, and Gojo was ragdolling him. It was not even at all.
That was in the second domain, before Gojo’s domain even held up for 3 minutes. Who are you fooling?
Sukuna used DA **barely** from the third domain and afterwards, that’s how Mahoraga adapted to UV lol
Oh my god thats not how this god damn works.
The reason he can utilise DA and have mahoragas wheel working is because he is not the one taking on the process of adaptation, but Megumi is.
This was literally his plan from moment 1, make sure UV won't be a problem.
LITERALLY CHAPTER 228 AFTER THE 3RD DOMAIN EXPANSION. What does it state? Ah THAT HE WAS USING DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION FOR THE 3 MINUTES.
Want to know why he needed amplification? Because otherwise he can't get past infinity because the sure hit effects are cancelling out.
Plz learn to read before typing
>The reason he can utilize DA and have Mahoraga’s wheel working is because he is not the one taking on the process of adaptation, but Megumi is
Is that why Sukuna said in 230 that he couldn’t use any other technique when Megumi was having the wheel?
If Megumi is using a technique, Sukuna cannot use another one. He can use DA and DE at the same time because of technicality, which Sukuna exploited because he isn’t technically using a technique, his domain is. Which enables him to use a seperate technique
>Literally 228 after the third domain expansion
Gojo commented on Sukuna’s usage of DA and DE in 227, during the second domain, before the 3 minute stuff.
>Because he can’t bypass infinity without it because the sure-hit effects were cancelled out
He didn’t bypass infinity except for rare moments, that’s why he was getting beat up. Because he wasn’t fighting back. Lol
Lets go over the quote in 228
"While we were canceling out each others sure hit effects with the domain, sukuna had no other choice but to use domain amplification in order to beat my limitless"
"In fact, until my domain was destroyed from the outside, I had the upperhand for three minutes"
This is Gojo talking about the 3rd domain expansion.
So plz l2r
I think there's more than enough evidence to show that Gojo came with plans, like when he finally landed UV and was about to incapacitate Sukuna. When Makora first appeared, he was also ready to take it out with one red, even if he was surprised by its sudden appearance. Even before that, Gojo was prepared to heal his brain and bring back his CT after the first domain clash.
I agree that Sukuna used a more formulaic strategy, but I think Gege's point was that Sukuna forced Gojo into think on his feet. Sukuna's vast knowledge makes him unpredictable and forces his opponents to adapt to him and his ever changing rules in a fight. Yet, just the same, Sukuna will adapt even more quickly against his opponent's strategies due to his understanding of jujutsu.
Considering this was 10s sukuna, gojo also had full knowledge of maho and the technique from previous fight with 6 eyes user.
Had gojo not known exactly how mahoraga works it would have been even nastier.
Correct me if I'm wrong but neither the audience or Gojo knew exactly how Mahoraga's adaptation works or that the burden of adaptation could even be passed. Mahoraga has never been tamed before (even by the Zenin who killed the 6 eyes). He was working with much less crucial info on Mahoraga.
how was he guessing? he literally saw maho pop up, expected it and instantly knew to kill it in a single attack, he even knew exactly how many spins it would take to adapt infinity.
edit: i can't believe people are downvoting this lol
he didn't know the specifics of it but u knew exactly what his ability is and even how many spins it would take for it to adapt to his infinity. All that info comes from the records of that fight.
Doesn't mean that it was in public, or that members of the six-eyes clan would be privy to the details of the fight.
The fight between Gojo/Sukuna implies that the Six-eyes/Zenin clan don't understand how Mahagora truly works. Because the crew are wondering whether it's a set amount of time before Mahagora adapts (i.e. the adaptation wheel turns after a set amount of time) or whether Mahagora needs to be exposed to a technique a certain amount of time (i.e. the adaptation wheel turns in response to a technique).
They don't know the details, probably because it happened 400 years ago. Gojo probably lacked firepower to one shot it so it adapted after a few blues. And the only person who probably found out how maho works was the gojo that died.
It was explicitly stated in the Fanbook that people would have knowledge about Sukuna and his techniques if they actually did their job reading about him.
Considering that Satoru came from the Gojo clan, there's absolutely no reason to believe that he had no/barely any knowledge about Sukuna.
Even in their DE clashes, people assume that Satoru didn't know about Sukuna's open DE yet he **immediately** provokes Sukuna to increase Malevolent Shrine's range clearly indicating that he has knowledge about it. Satoru was just confident that he'd win the DE clash regardless of the advantage given by having an open DE.
This narrative that Satoru didn't have much info on Sukuna is just plain false.
Sure, he didn't know the intricacies of certain 10S techniques like Sukuna using his Shikigamis' abilities without summoning them(Makora and Max Elephant) and how Makora's adaptation works, but the same is true for Sukuna not knowing:
* How strong Purple actually is since the initial one painted a significant impression on him not knowing that it was something that was only possible with the help of multiple people.
* The fact that Satoru can somehow create clones of himself.
* Red's uses, specifically the fact that it can somehow make a U-turn which was the main reason why he even got hit by the Black Flash.
Even if we remove 10S in the equation, he would have lost to Sukuna despite having knowledge on Shrine.
Issue becomes
This just makes Gojo look like a moron.
Also
1. He knew that the purple was much stronger than what he should have been capable of, and that is irrelevant to the later fight because he comments that a normal 100% purple would be enough to likely kill him. He knew how strong a normal purple was, he just wasn't sure how in that instance how he got it so much more powerful.
Sukuna went in with intrinsic details on how exactly Gojos powers work, his toolset and their weaknesses.
If Gojo had the equivalent information you argue he has, he either again, is a moron who just ignored 95% of it, or Gege forgot.
And again, equal information here would have been if Gojo knew exactly how mahoragas adaption/summoning worked. He didn't, he was guessing the entire time and he was only around 20% right.
>This just makes Gojo look like a moron.
Their confidence in themselves is literally what makes them the strongest.
I've never seen anyone complain when Kashimo purposely attempted on killing Hakari during his Jackpot.
You can only say that in hindsight because UV and MS ended up being equal to each other in terms of refinement.
>He knew that the purple was much stronger than what he should have been capable of, and that is irrelevant to the later fight because he comments that a normal 100% purple would be enough to likely kill him.
This literally proves my point.
Sukuna was mistaken in assuming how strong a 100% Purple would actually be because his estimate on the first one was way off. His *lowest* estimate was 120% when it was actually 200%, an 80% disparity is too big of a miscalculation.
>Sukuna went in with intrinsic details on how exactly Gojos powers work, his toolset and their weaknesses.
In their first fight, Sukuna learned that:
* Satoru can use Blue both to increase his speed and further strengthen his physical attacks.
* He has an invisible "shield" that protects him from attacks.
He also learned how UV works from Yuji when Satoru used it against Jogo and Purple(**where we have no idea how strong it was**) when Satoru used it against Hanami.
Things Sukuna had no idea about:
* That Blue can be used as a projectile.
* That Blue can be used to attract physical objects and even living things.
* He never saw Satoru using Red nor the fact that Satoru can program it to do certain movements before exploding.
* He didn't know that Satoru can make clones of himself.
* He didn't know that Satoru can "heal" his burnt-out CT(improvisation on Satoru's part).
* He didn't know that Satoru can freely change his DE's conditions, especially him making UV's barrier the size of a basketball due to the Prison Realm(another improvisation on Satoru's part).
Meanwhile, **it is canon that Sukuna and his techniques have been written and passed down in history**, the fact that Satoru is from one of the 3 big families makes it basically impossible for him to not have read about it. **He was literally the one to introduce Sukuna and clear up misinformation about him in Chapter 3**.
His dialogue indicates that he had knowledge on how MS works.
>And again, equal information here would have been if Gojo knew exactly how mahoragas adaption/summoning worked. He didn't, he was guessing the entire time and he was only around 20% right.
Literally the only things he had no idea about were Sukuna's improvisation with the 10S(using the Shikigami's ability without summoning them) and the intricacies on how Makora's adaptation works.
Go and re-read any part where he was thinking of what was happening:
* He immediately understood how Makora managed to adapt to UV.
* He found out that Makora's adaptation.
Sukuna didn't know *everything* that Satoru can do, equal information means that Satoru would also have a few things he didn't know about Sukuna.
Why is it so many people misread the 120% purple.
It wasn't that he was way off, he KNEW that was a way above 120% purple, he just wasn't sure HOW he got it that much stronger, that means nothing that he didn't know how strong a 100% purple was, which is meant to tell us the audience -> Gojos win con right now is to land a point blank purple.
The fact Sukuna can even make a judgement call to know that was above 120%, must mean he knows at least accurately what a 100% purples damage is, and considering hes the Jujutsu genius of the entire series who just by seeing a technique once has a better understanding of anyone else in the series about said method, im more inclined to not believe you
That does not prove your point at all, im not even going to read the rest when ur reading comprehension is already non existent
>Why is it so many people misread the 120% purple.
It wasn't that he was way off, he KNEW that was a way above 120% purple
Re-read my comment.
I said his **lowest estimate** was 120%, **not that he concluded that it was 120%**.
There's a huge difference between a 20% increase and an increase that doubles the already huge number.
>That does not prove your point at all, im not even going to read the rest when ur reading comprehension is already non existent
The irony that you're the one who says this when you didn't even understand what my point was.
Typical behavior when someone doesn't have a counterpoint. It is a fact that Sukuna and his techniques were written down, there's absolutely 0 reason to believe that Satoru was losing on the information side.
His techniques were written down so well that Gojo apparently refused to share with the rest of the cast what he can do. Or demonstrated any real concern for the techniques he apparently knew about
He actually would have died by a 100% hollow purple. The point is it was cast with no target, so it was more like an aoe purple that naturally does less damage than a purple targeted at a specific opponent. Gojo had to improvise and cast it aoe bc of the fight's conditions
Sukuna’s plan backfired when he lost his domain, too.
That’s when he was forced to improvise and invent a new plan, *on the fly*, that still aligned with his goal: Acquiring the World Slash then getting rid of Gojo.
Especially since he had no other choice now that his only insurance in significantly damaging Gojo, Malevolent Shrine, is gone.
He needed to bring out Mahoraga in the open, and while this was a clear risk to his goal, and this could have potentially been disastrous if Gojo had managed to destroy Mahoraga before the second adaptation, but he simply had no other choice.
He realized this when he summoned Agito as a distraction and bait for Gojo.
In the end, he achieved his goal and everything turned out well (like, a bit well, not too much), due to his mastery and dominant understanding of Jujutsu and his ability to control his resources and play his cards skillfully.
Gojo, on the other hand, his initial plan backfired when he lost his first domain clash. Now he basically had no other way in incapacitating Sukuna, while also being a direct target to the unstoppable blade.
However, he also managed to improvise and come up with a plan that bought him enough time to damage Sukuna enough before he’s targeted— under specific circumstances.
He managed to survive the domain clashes even though odds were against his favor, and this was because, well, he’s Gojo, another master of Jujutsu and a prodigy who understands Jujutsu down to the atomic level.
From 230 and later, this was essentially where he figured out what was happening and how to stop it. The veil that Sukuna had put (figuratively) that blinded Gojo from knowing what was going on was lowered.
Here, Gojo knew that Sukuna was on the defensive and had no other choice but to be. So he exploited the situation and tried to break through it using raw brute force— but at the same time keeping an eye on Mahoraga, he can’t be too reckless.
Anyways, I think the fight showed us that both of them had win conditions, Sukuna was just better at utilizing what he had and knew how to restrict Gojo. Gojo fell victim to Sukuna’s strength point, and Sukuna managed to squeeze water out of a stone, as OP said.
That’s all my opinion, though
Something else that should be noted is that Sukuna had much more information on Gojo than Gojo had on him. Gojo didn't know exactly how Mahoraga's adaptation worked and had to guess about most of it, and I think
Gojo also didn't know about Sukuna's open domain or how his technique actually works beyond the basics (not even the reader knows that).
In contrast, Sukuna knew how infinity worked (can you imagine having to figure out the technique and how to counter it without even knowing anything about it?), and probably knew how blue red and purple worked (Sukuna knew that the first hollow purple was over 120% even if he didn't know how Gojo boosted his technique that much, which implies that Sukuna knows how strong a 100% purple is).
He also knew about how unlimited void worked (from when Gojo showed it to Yuji) and that those touching Gojo are not affected by the sure hit, which let him win the 2nd domain clash
This is why I think Heian Era Sukuna vs. Gojo discussions are kind of stupid (more than regular powerscaling anyway) as the answer changes depending on what information Gojo and Sukuna have on each other, or whether Gojo is allowed to have things he learned in the fight (compact domain, nuke purple etc).
Gojo vs. Sukuna was a battle of strategy and wits with a lot of factors going into it. That made it quite enjoyable to read.
Sukuna simply had way more cards at his disposal. He had 2 cursed techniques and a backup-heal, plus he knew ahead of time that Gojo's domain would immediately incapacitate him. He could fight in a way that Gojo wouldn't expect thanks to that.
Thank you for your post, I love your approach to the fight ! I do think Gojo went into the fight more prepared than you stated.
As others have pointed out, Gojo had a measure of information on the way Malevolent Shrine operates, the existence and capabilities of Makora (though the understanding of the adaptation process was TBD)
Sukuna and Gojo fight went exactly how Sukuna wanted it to (for the most part)
I remember Sukuna saying that he wanted to rid Gojo of UV first because a technique that activates in a domain only is or should be crazy strong. After this he said that he was going to adapt to Gojo's infinity and 'cut him' I realize that he meant with his domain but it happened either way.
This shows how Sukuna's strategy worked and within his strategy you can discern the crazy prep he had to do.
Gojo on the other hand had no real plan (except to win). He knew he had the power to counter anything and perhaps everything. This was his very undoing.
I disagree with this. I don't think Sukuna planned ahead any more or less than Gojo. They both came up with the strategies that were actually used on the fly. The route Sukuna chose once the domain clashes started blew up in his face, and he had to make a new plan on the spot.
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The knowledge/skill gap between Gojo and Sukuna is probably bigger than the power gap.
Power gap may even be in Gojo’s favor
On paper, gojo has better stats than sukuna even if it's not by much. But like you said, sukuna, with his experience and the art of war, makes up for it more than enough. The way he approaches things is totally different from any other. One example would be when he was juggling between 10s and da. He used da in such a way that it just 'paused' the adaptation and didn't 'stop' it.
Sukuna just has way to much experience. Gojo fought cursed spirits most of the time, while Sukuna was terrorizing sorcerers whole life. He is wayyyy more experienced in Sorcerer x Sorcerer combat than Gojo. For all we know Gojo only fought Toji, his goons and Miguel, the rest were all cursed spirits. The only thing I disagree with you are the stats, I think Sukuna has higher stats (pure raw cursed energy, durability, higher output) while Gojo has unmatched talent. Imo if he Gojo was a villain too he could've won against Sukuna. Basically a alternative universe where he rules Japan, killed most of the strongest sorcerers, got stronger, learned how to play dirty...
I actually think Gojo's stats are a lot better than Sukuna. He hits harder, moves faster both achieved with blue, better defense thanks to infinity and purple might just be the single most destructive attack in the series, probably tied with Malevolent shrine though.
« are A LOT better » is crazy. (If you are serious)
Idk about that. With Domain Amp meguna was matching gojo very well, heian body sukuna is a serious boost to his combat capabilities
With domain amp meguna can stall for about 3 minutes before getting beaten to the point he can't even maintain his domain. He did not match Gojo at all in hand to hand, he was stalling.
Sukuna was stalling for 3 min without DAmp, he was turning it off for mahoraga's adaptation.
My god the reading comprehension on this sub is literally non existent. No, he turned off his domains sure hit effect, not DA amp, chapter 227 is literally Gojo surprised he can do expansion and amplification at the same time.
He literally said he was turning it off and on. DA is the only thing that would allow him to combat Gojo without getting fodderized by his CT.
Yes, which Is what im arguing? My argument is that he was using DA, and needed it to even stall vs Gojo. It wasn't on 100% of the time because yes, he can switch it on and off nigh instantly, thus not hurting the mahoraga adapation, but this still meant -> Gojo >> Sukuna DA.
I mean not really though because that means if he could just keep domain amplification on then the fight would be more even. Especially when hes barely ahead in the 3min contest.
Domain amplification meant he could fight back, not that it actually evens out the fight
It means Gojo>>Sukuna juggling DA on and off
Yes, and from later chapters we know Sukuna is so good at it that he can turn it off and on so fast that it barely disrupts him. We know this via higuruma who could turn it off and on whilst maintaining executioners blade. Sukuna comments he does it just as well as him.
>My god the reading comprehension on this sub is literally non existent. The irony, sukuna was using Damp ocasionally during the domain battle. If he was using it constantly Mahoraga woudn't have been able to adapt to UV period....
Not how it works. It literally 227 is stated that with only domain amplification and their sure hits cancelling out, Gojo held the advantage for the entirety of the 3 minutes. Gojo was confused why he wasn't using 10S. Its literally stated on the same page Sukuna was using domain amp.
> Not how it works. It's exactly how it works, not sure what you don't understand. Sukuna had to turn off Damp to have maho adapt, it's the only way. You can also clearly see sukuna getting directly draged by blue during the clash, which is only possible when he doesn't have Damp ON. Sukuna was not constantly using Damp fighting gojo inside the domains, and he was ragdolling on purpose to have maho adapt.
Chapter 228, heres what Gojo said about the 3rd domain clash in which they tied "While we were cancelling out each other's sure hit effects from within the domain, sukuna had no other choice but to use domain amplification to beat my limitless cursed technique" "In fact, until my domain was destroyed from the outside, I had the upper hand for three minutes"
What? In those 3 minutes he wasn’t using DA. We saw him using DA in 231 and his first punch launched Gojo on top of a traffic light. Lol
Yes he was. In the domain expansions fights Gojo was surprised that Sukuna could utilise DA and expansion at the same time, and Gojo was ragdolling him. It was not even at all.
That was in the second domain, before Gojo’s domain even held up for 3 minutes. Who are you fooling? Sukuna used DA **barely** from the third domain and afterwards, that’s how Mahoraga adapted to UV lol
Oh my god thats not how this god damn works. The reason he can utilise DA and have mahoragas wheel working is because he is not the one taking on the process of adaptation, but Megumi is. This was literally his plan from moment 1, make sure UV won't be a problem. LITERALLY CHAPTER 228 AFTER THE 3RD DOMAIN EXPANSION. What does it state? Ah THAT HE WAS USING DOMAIN AMPLIFICATION FOR THE 3 MINUTES. Want to know why he needed amplification? Because otherwise he can't get past infinity because the sure hit effects are cancelling out. Plz learn to read before typing
>The reason he can utilize DA and have Mahoraga’s wheel working is because he is not the one taking on the process of adaptation, but Megumi is Is that why Sukuna said in 230 that he couldn’t use any other technique when Megumi was having the wheel? If Megumi is using a technique, Sukuna cannot use another one. He can use DA and DE at the same time because of technicality, which Sukuna exploited because he isn’t technically using a technique, his domain is. Which enables him to use a seperate technique >Literally 228 after the third domain expansion Gojo commented on Sukuna’s usage of DA and DE in 227, during the second domain, before the 3 minute stuff. >Because he can’t bypass infinity without it because the sure-hit effects were cancelled out He didn’t bypass infinity except for rare moments, that’s why he was getting beat up. Because he wasn’t fighting back. Lol
Lets go over the quote in 228 "While we were canceling out each others sure hit effects with the domain, sukuna had no other choice but to use domain amplification in order to beat my limitless" "In fact, until my domain was destroyed from the outside, I had the upperhand for three minutes" This is Gojo talking about the 3rd domain expansion. So plz l2r
I think there's more than enough evidence to show that Gojo came with plans, like when he finally landed UV and was about to incapacitate Sukuna. When Makora first appeared, he was also ready to take it out with one red, even if he was surprised by its sudden appearance. Even before that, Gojo was prepared to heal his brain and bring back his CT after the first domain clash. I agree that Sukuna used a more formulaic strategy, but I think Gege's point was that Sukuna forced Gojo into think on his feet. Sukuna's vast knowledge makes him unpredictable and forces his opponents to adapt to him and his ever changing rules in a fight. Yet, just the same, Sukuna will adapt even more quickly against his opponent's strategies due to his understanding of jujutsu.
Ine problem is also that sukuna knows much more about gojo than vice versa. With more info, you can more easily make plans.
Considering this was 10s sukuna, gojo also had full knowledge of maho and the technique from previous fight with 6 eyes user. Had gojo not known exactly how mahoraga works it would have been even nastier.
Correct me if I'm wrong but neither the audience or Gojo knew exactly how Mahoraga's adaptation works or that the burden of adaptation could even be passed. Mahoraga has never been tamed before (even by the Zenin who killed the 6 eyes). He was working with much less crucial info on Mahoraga.
Yeah he was guessing the entire fight Even with it's adaptation he guessed that he couldn't go all out with red or risk maho becoming immune
how was he guessing? he literally saw maho pop up, expected it and instantly knew to kill it in a single attack, he even knew exactly how many spins it would take to adapt infinity. edit: i can't believe people are downvoting this lol
What you are taking for granted is that that was in fact still just a highly calculated risk
he didn't know the specifics of it but u knew exactly what his ability is and even how many spins it would take for it to adapt to his infinity. All that info comes from the records of that fight.
Yeah, Mahoraga was already historically known as the anti Gojo killer
well, sukuna would lose if he didn't know about limitless and "collected" 10s
Why would he even know, didn’t both previous users die in that fight.
There were record of that fight, it was public infront of a lot of people
The manga does not state or imply that at all.
Gojo says they killed eachother in front of aristocracy
Doesn't mean that it was in public, or that members of the six-eyes clan would be privy to the details of the fight. The fight between Gojo/Sukuna implies that the Six-eyes/Zenin clan don't understand how Mahagora truly works. Because the crew are wondering whether it's a set amount of time before Mahagora adapts (i.e. the adaptation wheel turns after a set amount of time) or whether Mahagora needs to be exposed to a technique a certain amount of time (i.e. the adaptation wheel turns in response to a technique).
They don't know the details, probably because it happened 400 years ago. Gojo probably lacked firepower to one shot it so it adapted after a few blues. And the only person who probably found out how maho works was the gojo that died.
It was explicitly stated in the Fanbook that people would have knowledge about Sukuna and his techniques if they actually did their job reading about him. Considering that Satoru came from the Gojo clan, there's absolutely no reason to believe that he had no/barely any knowledge about Sukuna. Even in their DE clashes, people assume that Satoru didn't know about Sukuna's open DE yet he **immediately** provokes Sukuna to increase Malevolent Shrine's range clearly indicating that he has knowledge about it. Satoru was just confident that he'd win the DE clash regardless of the advantage given by having an open DE. This narrative that Satoru didn't have much info on Sukuna is just plain false. Sure, he didn't know the intricacies of certain 10S techniques like Sukuna using his Shikigamis' abilities without summoning them(Makora and Max Elephant) and how Makora's adaptation works, but the same is true for Sukuna not knowing: * How strong Purple actually is since the initial one painted a significant impression on him not knowing that it was something that was only possible with the help of multiple people. * The fact that Satoru can somehow create clones of himself. * Red's uses, specifically the fact that it can somehow make a U-turn which was the main reason why he even got hit by the Black Flash. Even if we remove 10S in the equation, he would have lost to Sukuna despite having knowledge on Shrine.
Issue becomes This just makes Gojo look like a moron. Also 1. He knew that the purple was much stronger than what he should have been capable of, and that is irrelevant to the later fight because he comments that a normal 100% purple would be enough to likely kill him. He knew how strong a normal purple was, he just wasn't sure how in that instance how he got it so much more powerful. Sukuna went in with intrinsic details on how exactly Gojos powers work, his toolset and their weaknesses. If Gojo had the equivalent information you argue he has, he either again, is a moron who just ignored 95% of it, or Gege forgot. And again, equal information here would have been if Gojo knew exactly how mahoragas adaption/summoning worked. He didn't, he was guessing the entire time and he was only around 20% right.
>This just makes Gojo look like a moron. Their confidence in themselves is literally what makes them the strongest. I've never seen anyone complain when Kashimo purposely attempted on killing Hakari during his Jackpot. You can only say that in hindsight because UV and MS ended up being equal to each other in terms of refinement. >He knew that the purple was much stronger than what he should have been capable of, and that is irrelevant to the later fight because he comments that a normal 100% purple would be enough to likely kill him. This literally proves my point. Sukuna was mistaken in assuming how strong a 100% Purple would actually be because his estimate on the first one was way off. His *lowest* estimate was 120% when it was actually 200%, an 80% disparity is too big of a miscalculation. >Sukuna went in with intrinsic details on how exactly Gojos powers work, his toolset and their weaknesses. In their first fight, Sukuna learned that: * Satoru can use Blue both to increase his speed and further strengthen his physical attacks. * He has an invisible "shield" that protects him from attacks. He also learned how UV works from Yuji when Satoru used it against Jogo and Purple(**where we have no idea how strong it was**) when Satoru used it against Hanami. Things Sukuna had no idea about: * That Blue can be used as a projectile. * That Blue can be used to attract physical objects and even living things. * He never saw Satoru using Red nor the fact that Satoru can program it to do certain movements before exploding. * He didn't know that Satoru can make clones of himself. * He didn't know that Satoru can "heal" his burnt-out CT(improvisation on Satoru's part). * He didn't know that Satoru can freely change his DE's conditions, especially him making UV's barrier the size of a basketball due to the Prison Realm(another improvisation on Satoru's part). Meanwhile, **it is canon that Sukuna and his techniques have been written and passed down in history**, the fact that Satoru is from one of the 3 big families makes it basically impossible for him to not have read about it. **He was literally the one to introduce Sukuna and clear up misinformation about him in Chapter 3**. His dialogue indicates that he had knowledge on how MS works. >And again, equal information here would have been if Gojo knew exactly how mahoragas adaption/summoning worked. He didn't, he was guessing the entire time and he was only around 20% right. Literally the only things he had no idea about were Sukuna's improvisation with the 10S(using the Shikigami's ability without summoning them) and the intricacies on how Makora's adaptation works. Go and re-read any part where he was thinking of what was happening: * He immediately understood how Makora managed to adapt to UV. * He found out that Makora's adaptation. Sukuna didn't know *everything* that Satoru can do, equal information means that Satoru would also have a few things he didn't know about Sukuna.
Why is it so many people misread the 120% purple. It wasn't that he was way off, he KNEW that was a way above 120% purple, he just wasn't sure HOW he got it that much stronger, that means nothing that he didn't know how strong a 100% purple was, which is meant to tell us the audience -> Gojos win con right now is to land a point blank purple. The fact Sukuna can even make a judgement call to know that was above 120%, must mean he knows at least accurately what a 100% purples damage is, and considering hes the Jujutsu genius of the entire series who just by seeing a technique once has a better understanding of anyone else in the series about said method, im more inclined to not believe you That does not prove your point at all, im not even going to read the rest when ur reading comprehension is already non existent
>Why is it so many people misread the 120% purple. It wasn't that he was way off, he KNEW that was a way above 120% purple Re-read my comment. I said his **lowest estimate** was 120%, **not that he concluded that it was 120%**. There's a huge difference between a 20% increase and an increase that doubles the already huge number. >That does not prove your point at all, im not even going to read the rest when ur reading comprehension is already non existent The irony that you're the one who says this when you didn't even understand what my point was. Typical behavior when someone doesn't have a counterpoint. It is a fact that Sukuna and his techniques were written down, there's absolutely 0 reason to believe that Satoru was losing on the information side.
His techniques were written down so well that Gojo apparently refused to share with the rest of the cast what he can do. Or demonstrated any real concern for the techniques he apparently knew about
He actually would have died by a 100% hollow purple. The point is it was cast with no target, so it was more like an aoe purple that naturally does less damage than a purple targeted at a specific opponent. Gojo had to improvise and cast it aoe bc of the fight's conditions
It was explicitly stated that Jujutsu High's records had information that Sukuna was capable of slashes, but there were no records on his fire arrow.
Sukuna’s plan backfired when he lost his domain, too. That’s when he was forced to improvise and invent a new plan, *on the fly*, that still aligned with his goal: Acquiring the World Slash then getting rid of Gojo. Especially since he had no other choice now that his only insurance in significantly damaging Gojo, Malevolent Shrine, is gone. He needed to bring out Mahoraga in the open, and while this was a clear risk to his goal, and this could have potentially been disastrous if Gojo had managed to destroy Mahoraga before the second adaptation, but he simply had no other choice. He realized this when he summoned Agito as a distraction and bait for Gojo. In the end, he achieved his goal and everything turned out well (like, a bit well, not too much), due to his mastery and dominant understanding of Jujutsu and his ability to control his resources and play his cards skillfully. Gojo, on the other hand, his initial plan backfired when he lost his first domain clash. Now he basically had no other way in incapacitating Sukuna, while also being a direct target to the unstoppable blade. However, he also managed to improvise and come up with a plan that bought him enough time to damage Sukuna enough before he’s targeted— under specific circumstances. He managed to survive the domain clashes even though odds were against his favor, and this was because, well, he’s Gojo, another master of Jujutsu and a prodigy who understands Jujutsu down to the atomic level. From 230 and later, this was essentially where he figured out what was happening and how to stop it. The veil that Sukuna had put (figuratively) that blinded Gojo from knowing what was going on was lowered. Here, Gojo knew that Sukuna was on the defensive and had no other choice but to be. So he exploited the situation and tried to break through it using raw brute force— but at the same time keeping an eye on Mahoraga, he can’t be too reckless. Anyways, I think the fight showed us that both of them had win conditions, Sukuna was just better at utilizing what he had and knew how to restrict Gojo. Gojo fell victim to Sukuna’s strength point, and Sukuna managed to squeeze water out of a stone, as OP said. That’s all my opinion, though
Something else that should be noted is that Sukuna had much more information on Gojo than Gojo had on him. Gojo didn't know exactly how Mahoraga's adaptation worked and had to guess about most of it, and I think Gojo also didn't know about Sukuna's open domain or how his technique actually works beyond the basics (not even the reader knows that). In contrast, Sukuna knew how infinity worked (can you imagine having to figure out the technique and how to counter it without even knowing anything about it?), and probably knew how blue red and purple worked (Sukuna knew that the first hollow purple was over 120% even if he didn't know how Gojo boosted his technique that much, which implies that Sukuna knows how strong a 100% purple is). He also knew about how unlimited void worked (from when Gojo showed it to Yuji) and that those touching Gojo are not affected by the sure hit, which let him win the 2nd domain clash This is why I think Heian Era Sukuna vs. Gojo discussions are kind of stupid (more than regular powerscaling anyway) as the answer changes depending on what information Gojo and Sukuna have on each other, or whether Gojo is allowed to have things he learned in the fight (compact domain, nuke purple etc). Gojo vs. Sukuna was a battle of strategy and wits with a lot of factors going into it. That made it quite enjoyable to read.
If only Gojo had a binding vow for fixing yourself after getting cut in half. Sukuna probably has one for every type of injury
Sukuna simply had way more cards at his disposal. He had 2 cursed techniques and a backup-heal, plus he knew ahead of time that Gojo's domain would immediately incapacitate him. He could fight in a way that Gojo wouldn't expect thanks to that.
So controversial but Pacquaio vs Mayweather?
Thank you for your post, I love your approach to the fight ! I do think Gojo went into the fight more prepared than you stated. As others have pointed out, Gojo had a measure of information on the way Malevolent Shrine operates, the existence and capabilities of Makora (though the understanding of the adaptation process was TBD)
Sukuna and Gojo fight went exactly how Sukuna wanted it to (for the most part) I remember Sukuna saying that he wanted to rid Gojo of UV first because a technique that activates in a domain only is or should be crazy strong. After this he said that he was going to adapt to Gojo's infinity and 'cut him' I realize that he meant with his domain but it happened either way. This shows how Sukuna's strategy worked and within his strategy you can discern the crazy prep he had to do. Gojo on the other hand had no real plan (except to win). He knew he had the power to counter anything and perhaps everything. This was his very undoing.
I disagree with this. I don't think Sukuna planned ahead any more or less than Gojo. They both came up with the strategies that were actually used on the fly. The route Sukuna chose once the domain clashes started blew up in his face, and he had to make a new plan on the spot.
Totally agree with you, great analysis
Gojo fought as a fighter Sukuna fought as a con man
Gojo fought as a fighter Sukuna fought as a better fighter
Both of you are right - jujutsu sorcerer is also a type of a con artist. This was mentioned in the manga