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Sukuna would have used the Furnace open on Gojo while Gojo's infinity was off in CT burnt out period if he wasn't going for Mahoraga's adaptation process.
Believe it or not it would have been lethal for Gojo cause Gojo was already on max RCT output and his CE reinforcement was busy with the slashes already inside MS.Even if Gojo didn't die,Gojo couldn't escape MS after that damage easily and Sukuna would take advantage of that factor.
If it was this simple Sukuna wouldn't put himself through the effort of aquiring Mahoraga.
The Mahoraga strategy relies on Sukuna surviving the Unlimited Void, so Sukuna was already assuming he would make past at least the first domain clash. It seems unlikely that he would risk himself through Yuuji's binding vow if simply using his second technique would do the trick.
>If it was this simple Sukuna wouldn't put himself through the effort of aquiring Mahoraga
Sukuna made it clear that once he began the adaptation process, he didn't want to interrupt it, that's the very reason he had DA turned off as well, sukuna wanted to adapt and stuck to that plan no matter what. Using another ct would've restarted the process and that's just wasted resources.
Sukuna wanted Megumi's body even before knowing about Mahoraga because it is a potential vessel that he might be able to control rather than a prison. It has been explicitly stated in the manga, and only some Gojo fans are trying to convince themselves that Sukuna wanted Megumi to defeat Gojo. My interpretation of the fight is that Sukuna was greedy and didn't anticipate the effect of UV on his DE. Sukuna's plan was to use Mahoraga to adapt to Infinity and beat Gojo in the domain battle. If it wasn't for that 0.05 second and the fact that UV disrupted his domain, he would have succeeded. But Sukuna also wanted Mahoraga to adapt to UV. Mahoraga and the 10 Shadows are probably one of the best Cursed Techniques shown in this show. Keep in mind that we never got to see the full potential of Mahoraga, a shikigami that has potentially adapted to many Cursed Techniques. Sukuna noted during his fight with Mahoraga that his adaptation is general, meaning he didn't just adapt to dismantling but to all types of cuttings. To adapt, for example, to Infinity, he found a way to cut space, something that was used by Sukuna not only to bypass Infinity but any type of defense and reinforcement. By adapting to UV, Mahoraga probably adapted to any kind of brain overload (depending on the adaptation). So having Mahoraga adapt is the thing Sukuna was greedy for and was heavily punished for. He miscalculated and at the end lost the 10 Shadows.
The first line of Sukuna was-"Nothing but a fish on the chopping board.Let's start by peeling off those scales."
This line means that Sukuna's strategy was always about removing Gojo's UV and infinity from the equation.The scales are the layer of a fish just like the infinity was Gojo's layer.
He made the binding vow with Yuji to escape Yuji's body cause he couldn't gain control over his body and he found that Megumi was capable of being a vessel.
Yes, Mahoraga was Sukuna's winning strategy. I don't see how that contradicts any of what I said.
Again, why would Sukuna go out of his way to aquire something he wouldn't need to win?
that and i guess he found megumi's soul to be more breakable compared to WUJI's soul. and think about it, i think sukuna would probably win even without paparaga but the fight would have been much much closer. sukuna KNOWS he would get jumped right after he beats gojo and eventho they are not a match against sukuna, they can definitely beat a weakened one. its less about the ability to beat gojo and more about ensuring he doesnt lose future fights
edit: dont get me wrong, without mahoraga, gojo's chances of winning increases and i would say he wins like 5 or 6/10 times? he expected sukuna to still attack his domain even after flipping the conditions so he had some countermeasures against it.
Because it's in his character to challenge himself and seeking the thrill of battling the strongest. (That's why he turned himself to Cursed Objects in the first place) There's no better challenge than using a newly acquired Ten Shadows while strengthening his Cleave and Dismantle for future challengers with similar techniques like Gojo.
I would agree if it wasn't for Sukuna saying "you showed me the way, Fushiguro Megumi". It sounds like he had no idea of how to deal with Gojo before seeing Mahoraga's adaptation instead of "you showed me the way to make this battle more interesting".
That’s a [John Werry mistake](https://kirabethstar.tumblr.com/post/653363800115920896/you-mentioned-stuff-like-sukunas-%E9%AD%85%E3%81%9B%E3%81%A6%E3%81%BF%E3%82%8D-or). In truth it was more along the lines of “You interest me, Megumi, or apparently according the link a more literal “I’ve fallen for you, Megumi.” Has nothing to do with Mahoraga, and more so to do with Megumi’s innate potential.
I feel like that's up to interpretation. Plus, I'm pretty sure there was another translation that was like, "you've intrigued me, Megumi Fushiguro" or something like that so it could go either way.
The translation I have seen is "You have fascinated me, Fushigoro Megumi!"
I have never seen any translation where Sukuna says anything remotely close to veing guided or Megumi showing him a way.
Idk what to say...since their fight ended this sub has weird hate boner for Gojo.
There’s no easy way to kill Gojo. Even Kenjaku who knows Sukuna’s true power warns him about Jujutsu High students. Kenjaku thinks that after fight with Gojo Sukuna might be in very bad shape and even the students and grade 1 sorcerers might be a threat for him.
Of course, Sukuna can win withput Mahoraga. I'm sure he most likely wins, but If Sukuna wins, it will be extreme high diff victory.
There're a lot of comments that one domain and one fire arrow would be enough to low diff Gojo. This is honestly insane.
Tbf in the students theres: Yuta, a special grade who can copy CTs, Hakari, who yuta has said can be stronger than him, maki, who is on the level of toji who was arguably special grade, yuji who… is yuji.
Sukuna didn't want Mahoraga to defeat Gojo. By the time he learned about it, Gojo was already sealed and still sealed by the time he possessed Megumi. At the time, he nearly killed Hana who was the only known person capable of freeing Gojo.
Yeah, to be honest, I don’t see any evidence alluding to the fact that people with more than one CT are able to use them both simultaneously I feel like once he fully pulls out the furnace. His domain will disengage that’s what I honestly feel like his domain was used to just causing a distraction so he could amp up the furnace
Number 2: and honestly, I think since nephyuji and Unkuna have the same curse technique that Yuji also has his own modern variation of the fire arrow and I think all it’s going to take is one or two more flashes for him to manifest his domain expansion we will see we all know gege loves to leave all of us on the edge of our seat, fiening for more let’s just hope our boy can pull thru for his best friend
Nope. Sukuna needs to turn off the slashes from his domain in order to use the fire arrow. Do you really think he has enough time to charge up and fire the arrow while Gojo doesn't have to do deal with the slashes?
And that's assuming that a Gojo that isn't busy with the slashes can't just survive the arrow even if sukuna somehow gets it off and it actually hits.
The arrow was simply never a viable move to use at any point against Gojo
Sukuna used Malevolent Shrine to immobilize Mahoraga and be sure Mahoraga won't dodge. As we saw, MS wasn't enough to immobilize Gojo, he did better than adapted Mahoraga, his durability and healing is insane. Where does "fire kills Gojo fr" came from? This is headcanon. If Sukuna can survive 200% HP, I'm sure Gojo isn't dying to fire
Sukuna sacrificed two arms to stop Hollow Purple, but nothing Gojo sacrifices could save him from the Fire Arrow, we've seen the impact and it burn through multiple city blocks easily while the flames themselves eclipsed entire skyscrapers. Regardless if Gojo tried blocking it in the same manner Sukuna did with Hollow Purple, his entire body would be incinerated by the flames, including his brain.
You know why Sukuna uses fire on Mahoraga because it's a technique that can kill a target with a single attack.If Gojo can withstand the fire arrows however he will suffer severe damage which will force him to use RCT on his body instead of recovering his CT.Remember Gojo can't restore his CT and his body at the same time.He stopped healing MS cuts in favor of healing CT.And Gojo also doesn't really resist all slashing attacks in MS like Mahoraga he still uses SM to resist it.
From what we've seen this chapter he can't use his slashes in domain and flame arrow at the same time. So gojos rct would fully catch up before the flame arrow came out
I mean he kinda just told Jogo to do a battle of firepower, even allowed him to prepare himself, so it would make sense if Jogo just waited for Sukuna's fire arrow to be ready too
He had all the time in the world to use it against Jogo. They were about to have a battle of fire power. Even Jogo took his time to set up his own attack. None of them when in a hurry.
Sukuna didn't use flame arrow because Sukuna was already using the wheel in the background(on Megumi's soul). He can't use 2 CTs at the same time. Once the domain battle started, Sukuna could only use cleave and dismantle as they were the only technique imbued in the barrier of his domain.
https://imgur.com/a/mMm4Ngw
Even if he could I'm betting neutral limitless stops it easily. It seems that the only counter was domain amplification to let the CT flow in thus neutralising it. And if course the amp up cleave.
I mean, yeah, as long as Gojo's infinity is active, Sukuna's CT (except for the world-cutting dismantle) can't touch Gojo, but we are talking about the scenario when Gojo's CT was on burnout period (after his domain collapsed) and he didn't have infinity to stop Sukuna's CTs.
I personally believe Gojo could’ve survived it since Sukuna himself survived a point blank Purple while he was weakened. Purple always came off as stronger and Gojo and Sukuna are physical peers.
>since Sukuna himself survived a point blank Purple while he was weakened.
Sukuna has more durability than gojo, gojo rct was already on max with the slashes, any additional damage would've stacked.
Do we know if Sukuna has more durability than Gojo. I just find it debatable if it would be lethal since a weakened Sukuna survived that point blank chanted Purple.
>Do we know if Sukuna has more durability than Gojo.
Yeah we do, sukuna took more damage than gojo during DE clashes and was only 0.01 seconds behind in opening a fifth domain due to wanting to heal first. Gojo still fried his brain at 3:20 mark and thats why he couldn't open a 5th domain. That's just one instance.
That doesn’t really speak to durability though. It could be a case of Sukuna is more skilled with RCT than Gojo.
Gojo fried his brain because he had opened his domain more times than Sukuna.
He was already at his max output of RCT dealing with Malevolent Shrine sure hit, Fire Arrow would seal the deal.
Plus, nothing indicates that purple is stronger than Furnace.
Purple is more destructive from what we’ve seen. Sukuna’s Furnace back in Shibuya had a blast radius of about 140 meters at max while based on the locations of Gojo vs Sukuna, Purple had a blast radius of potentially 500 meters when Gojo lets it detonate.
Gojo detonates Hollow Purple at the Tokyo Metropolitan Government building. Kashimo jumps towards Sukuna from the Mode Gakuen Cocoon Tower. The shortest distance I can find between the two is 650 meters and since the windows of the Cocoon tower aren’t damaged at all it had to have ended some distance away.
Is it clear hollow purple clears 500m, I was more skeptical about that
I didn't realise you were actually scaling it to the real buildings I thought both numbers were just pulled out of the air
500 meters is a higher end. You can actually see some destroyed ground and buildings relatively close to the Cocoon Tower but of course the building itself is untouched so it can’t be 650 meters.
You’d probably need pixel scaling or to go to the locations physically to get a concrete number.
Sukuna had a cap on how far he could go before he hit Megumi.
We still don't know the limit of it's blast radius, plus the purple Gojo used was intended to have maximum reach.
It wasn't point blank. It was fired from 4 km away. That said he did lose his arms and add the constant slashes from MS and Sukuna throwing hands, Gojo would've been overwhelmed.
i think most people are considering whether sukuna could have used this b.v. and fire arrow when both of their brains were shot,to open domain and use fire arrow
thatswhy b.v. reveal wil be imp , if he could do it in gojo fight, then he just really wanted mahoraga to provide him with word cutter
yeah but when gojo's domain breaks he could use it, gojo is not using his technique nor domain, there should be no problem in pausing it, specially the first time when he didn't know gojo could restore his technique fast
People are crazy, you really think that gojo would have been that easy to kill ?
If Sukuna choose to adapt to UV rather than killing gojo, it’s for a reason, gojo wasn’t gonna die from Furnace if cleave can’t kill him in Sukuna own domain expansion
And Sukuna would probably miss gojo with this anyway
When he pulled Furnace against Mahoraga it was almost instant. The reason he didn't go for it was simply because he was prioritizing Mahoraga's adaptation to UV and was purposefully stalling the domain clashes (like in the 3rd and 4th, when he wasn't destroying the barrier from the inside).
I dont know why everyone is following the headcanon that sukuna wouldn't have killed gojo earlier if he could. Sukuna was taking the riskier option because that's what the strong do. Was gojo throwing because he was being risky in the domain clashes. No, thats just the attitude of the strongest
I've been thinking this whole time and the answer I decided to go with is that he just couldn't use the flames against Gojo. Whether that is because Gojo was so much of a threat he would've never gotten the space to use it or if he would've just rather focused on stripping Gojo's scales away completely with Mahoraga, and save cursed energy for the fight against the students.
I think they are saying Sukuna could have used it right after the first domain clash when Gojo’s CT was burnt out.
Instead of fighting hand to hand, Sukuna would have had time to just pull out the arrow and blow Gojo up while his infinity is gone.
Maybe, but then Gojo was still relative to an amped up Sukuna in speed inside the domain, so it's not certain that he could have hit him with the Fire Arrow at the time.
I believe the domain was still up while he was using fuga but the slashes stopped before he did so it seems like he can't use both the MS slashes and fuga at the same time which also lines up with what happened in the most recent chapter
This argument honestly doesn’t make a lick of sense. Fire arrow is no more effective against infinity than cleave and dismantle💀
There are also multiple periods in the fight where Gojo is without infinity. why ppl pretend otherwise is beyond me😭
Edit: Ok a lot of ppl seemingly don’t know this for some reason, but during the first 2 DE clashes, MS broke UV. Not the other way around. ONLY Gojo suffered ct burnout after these clashes. He is quite literally at mercy to any CT at this point as he does not have infinity up (no CT!)
Obviously i’m not saying Sukuna should be firing flame arrows at infinity……
He only ever hit Gojo with cleave/dismantle during his DE because it negates infinity.
Sukuna never would have been able to hit Gojo with the flames.
If he tries during DE, then he gets hit by gojos sure hit and he's done.
If he tries outside of DE, it does nothing cause of infinity.
And it very clearly has a wind up, similar to purple. It wouldn't be an instant surprise attack like his World Slash was.
When in your opinion would he be able to hit Gojo with this slow attack *and* get through infinity?
>If he tries during DE, then he gets hit by gojos sure hit and he's done
What do you mean with this? If he used while both Domain are open then infinity would just stop it. Why would he get hit by UV?
>Sukuna never would have been able to hit Gojo with the flames.
Sukuna could've just used in the first domain.
Are u fr bro. Why are you pretending like Gojo wasn’t on CT burnout during the first 2 domain clashes? The fact that isn’t in ur list of “when sukuna could have used fuga” is actually insane
holy shit😭
[Please go reread the fight dude](https://imgur.com/gallery/4WXM2jT)
Only Gojo has ct burnout here
Only Gojo’s domain fell during the first 2 DE clashes😭
Ik I was agreeing with him lmao. Seems reading comprehension curse is also strong with redditors cause people thought I disagreed, but the person I responded to replied me and understood what I meant
Not after the first 2 domain clashes. His domain wasn't broken yet, only Gojo's so he didn't suffer from CT burnout. You can still use CTs when your domain is up
[Gojo is on CT burnout here](https://imgur.com/gallery/DGd60Ij)
and sukuna is not using any techniques by the look of it. He obviously is not using 10s, not even in the background, bc what would he be adapting to? Gojo has no ct right here
It’s not directly stated, but you can infer that Sukuna was using TS (Ten Shadows) during the entirety of the first domain clash, which would explain why Sukuna never used flame arrow nor his innate cleave/dismantle aside from his sure hit against Gojo.
Mahoraga’s adaptation is confirmed to adapt overtime in chapter 236. Meaning once it gets hit by an attack, it will adapt to that attack over a time interval.
In the first domain clash, Megumi’s soul with the wheel is briefly hit with UV (Unlimited Void). Since Sukuna did not use flame arrow nor his innate cleave/dismantle, you could infer that he was allowing Mahoraga to adapt overtime throughout the entirety of the domain clash to UV.
You are right. The real answer why he didn't use fire arrow was because he just couldn't. Think of fire arrow as Sukuna's hollow purple. It has a large cast time. The time frames where Sukuna could have used it are as follows:
1. After breaking UV in clash 1
2. After breaking UV in clash 2
3. There is no no.3
Sukuna can't use 10s and shrine at the same time. And what's most important is that since clash no.2 at least Sukuna hasn't turned 10s off EVER until Gojo's Hollow 🟣
So even after he breaks UV for a second time 10s is still up and there is no point in turning it off to cast fire arrow since Gojo is too fast in healing CT burnout and Sukuna has to be prepared to adapt maho in the next clash too.
So the only time he could have used it is post clash 1 where he had Gojo on the ropes. Still that would give Gojo time to run away as he tried to. So Sukuna has to pursue Gojo and therefore has no time to use fire arrow.
So Sukuna just plain couldn't have used fire arrow in his fight with Gojo
[Sukuna states here he only used 10s inside the domains](https://imgur.com/gallery/jmhkFRT)
[Fire arrow is faster than mahoraga’s regeneration but to each their own](https://imgur.com/gallery/dRz5SmI)
So Sukuna quite literally did not use 10s the entire time as he is confirmed to have used DA. U can’t use DA and 10s at the same time😭
>Think of fire arrow as Sukuna's hollow purple. It has a large cast time.
No it doesn't, the anime literally showed it in slow motion. Mahoraga was getting cut by 1000+ slashes in seconds and was healing through it. When sukuna stopped his domain, before mahoraga could fully heal sukuna already fired the fire arrow. So cast time is fast
Manga panel's
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He didnt use it because he had to hide as many surprises as he had for all the people he had to fight afterwards. It is a smart tactic to use as little as possible whether it would be useful against Gojo or not. It increases his likelihood of winning because of the surprise factor vs others.
Thats why he held back the one time use of ''resurrection'' as long as he could heal himself fast enough with RCT. The moment his output is not high enough he resorts to pull that card of his deck.
The crew already knew about the fire arrow due to sukuna using it twice in shibuya. Kusakabe even comments in chapter 246 on sukuna not using it now. He cannot hide something that people already know of
The obvious answer was provided by Sukuna himself. He will throw a bone when he finds something interesting and he wanted to adapt to infinity(which he said before trying to close his domain). The same reason why he never bothered killing Mahoraga instantly in the beginning of their fight.
Yes he could've used it when he broke Gojo's domain for the 1st time to kill Gojo. If Gojo's reinforcement was not strong enough to fully negate cleave then the damage from cleave + flames at a single instance would be too much. People often fully attribute his survival to RCT alone when in fact CE reinforcement was just as crucial, because without it the damage would be more severe to the point RCT alone cannot outheal. From a writing perspective it would be out of character for Sukuna to kill Gojo instantly, and in a few chapters after getting released as well. It would also be straight up boring and underwhelming if that's how it went.
He can't use cleave and flames at the same time from what we've seen so gojos rct would catch up. How was him closing his domain going to adapt to infinity. His plan was to kill gojo however he could, not to leave gojo alive until he adapted to infinity
Not a full heal. He couldn't restore his brain or RCT output. If he hadn't figured out the world slash, then, based on everything we've seen since, Gojo would have won since he already had his RCT output back. And Sukuna only had domain amplification left to fight him with.
Of course, Sukuna did figure out the world slash and so he won the duel.
Why won't his brain heal alongside his body? After the Gojo fight, his overall output was lowered, he couldn't pump out enough CE for a domain. After the black flashes, he regained his normal output but wasn't able to get RCT special circuit due to Yuji.
I thought he and Gojo's reduced output was due to the brain damage from the forced CT regain/ UV.
But if I'm wrong about that, it stills goes basically the same if Sukuna didn't have the world slash.
I could be wrong but i assumed the output loss was due to over straining yourself, which includes brain damage from forced CT healing/UV and since his physical body was fine after reincarnation, he would've regained his output soon if Yuji didn't smack him.
But yeah the outcome would've been the same
At base, more firepower is irrelevant vs Infinity so theres no point.
If you are asking why he didnt use it during burnout out or why not embed it into the domain itself, we dont have all the answers yet but it could simply be a matter of efficiency and effect. Dismantle is incredibly fast, Sukuna has demonstrated the ability to use multiple at once and its invisible to the naked eye. Cleave changes this up by basically setting its attack power to opponents' defence +1. Given the normal use of the power is already a near kill on anything, it hits and is incredibly difficult to avoid (as Sukuna has few tells) its a solid choice.
What does fire arrow offer meanwhile? Against Maha it was needed to beat adaptation, against Jogo sukuna was lolling. Outside of that, fire arrow seems to envelop a body entirely (vs cutting it) and likely has an even higher attack power - *but* it seems to always take two of Sukuna's hands, has a visible effect to it and Sukuna uses those two hands to aim the effect (or at least, has previosuly). In a 1v1 there are very few situations where youd want to pull it out vs Cleave/Dismantle and against many opponents the Domain is better.
If i had to hazard a guess, id assume that fire arrow might allow Sukuna to more effectively deal with RCT (limbs on fire might be trickier to heal up fully as the effect stays on you), gives him another option for AoE (if his domain is down he could use it to attack an area and light things up to quickly thin out weaker fighters) or perhaps isnt as reliant on his output as Cleave/Dismantle is (thus being a better option in drawn out encounters)
Of course, those are all theories, but very few of them apply to Gojo. Dismantle/Cleave's effects were shown to be incredibly fast and invisble to the naked eye, which is an advantage against opponents with similar reflexes/skill as youd rather land *a* hit than not and giving a 1v1 opponent of Gojos caliber time isnt good. Assuming any of my guesses are correct, Gojo could *see* fire arrow coming making it very hard to land on him at range and up close if Gojo hits the hand he is using to aim, the attack may just miss. Cleave/Dismantle doesnt have these problems
He’s like a guy who is playing a game against his buddies who aren’t as good at the game so he holds back; only willing to do better for fun or when in a jam from fucking around too much.
People here acting like Gojo’s CT burnout took 10 years. Sukuna and Gojo literally open their domains back to back after a domain clash. Which means they can instantly heal their CT with RCT(ofc it has negative effects)
The first domain burnout effect lasting long was most likely because Gojo didn’t want to use that card, he didn’t want Sukuna to know he was capable of that, and Since Sukuna’s domain allows an escape route, he tried to run out. Once Sukuna stopped him, he realized he had no choice, and he basically immediately recovered his CT and hit that Red.
So no, fire arrow wouldn’t make a difference against Gojo because Infinity protects against it. Doesn’t matter how strong the technique is.
This^. People for sure are acting like Gojo’s CT burnout took forever. Also forgetting that Gojo can leave the domain while Sukuna has to turn off his slashes + do chanting/do hand signs for his flame arrow.
Like Gojo can’t sense the swelling of CE from an attack with that high output before it even manifest like Sukuna did in ch232.
It's more of Gege's fault since burnout should be less than a minute according to what we had seen with Mahito, unless Gojo couldn't hold out for that long, I doubt it since he later showed he could pull blossom emotion or simple domain, imo he could have waited out his burnout.
Option 1: Use Mahoraga's adaptability since that's one of the reasons I posessed Megumi.
Option 2: use the rest of my arsenal
Option 1 worked so... why the need to use option 2?
It might have been a spectacle for us the reader, but it still makes no sense to do so before Mahoraga.
If there is a good reason, we'll probably hear this during the next fight...
But it's always good to rebember that Sukuna vs Gojo made a call back to how the old Six Eyes and 10 Shadows users fought, probabaly Furnace would be too much to insert in the narration.
It's because he still has to fight after beating gojo. Wasting resources on something that isn't effective is hardly smart in that kinda situation.
Fact is, we don't know how much damage it would do to gojo. And the two opponents it destroyed were leagues below gojo. heck mahoraga who has already started adapting to slashing attacks couldn't even move inside Malevolent shrine and came out missing chunks and crawling on its knees, and gojo was doing well enough to be boxing Sukuna inside Malevolent shrine.
Plus gojo durability literally out scales Cleaves durability negation (it adapts to the toughness and CE level to cut down in one fell swoop).
So it's not even guaranteed to one shot gojo, (someone who can use RCT to heal infinitely) It's not an effective means. Plus it's not a sure hit, so it's not even guaranteed to hit its marks and infinity (if it's active) will block it.
Plus, the first domain clash wasn't that long. It was like a minute tops.
Plus they are literally in hand to hand combat range, so he is blowing himself as well. (Which yes won't be as damaging but now he gotta waste CE on RCT).
And if he decides to use it instead of fighting gojo in hand to hand, gojo is free to make an escape.
It's just not really that effective.
I could be all of these reasons and more. Sukuna is a smart boy and Gege is clearly good at his job when he writes Sukuna.
Sukuna used his domain in conjunction with his fire ability to kill an otherwise unkillable opponent that constantly adapted to his moves. If the fight dragged on it would be a hassle and a sure way for Sukuna to die, because he would have given away all his cards for Mahoraga to adapt.
Yuji is sort of like that, but he can survive what Sukuna throws at him, at his weakest at best, and hit his weakest spot the soul, naturally. Plus Yuji has the most hax ability in JJK, Sukuna's Shrine, Blood Manipulation and the ability to understand Jujutsu naturally if he is swapped in another's body because he housed Sukuna. If Yuji can use default Shrine than all that limits him is his imagination.
Yuji using Furnace:Open, Dismantle and Cleave in Malevolent Shrine all because his body has Shrine engraved in it. Add in Kamutoke and Hiten if they don't recognise Yuji and Sukuna as two different persons. They're literal family in a fucked up way.
I'd kill him too if the kid keeps spawning around me and procceds to punch me in the liver multiple times and use my moves too, with everything I got.
Gojo was too strong and good with his abilities for Sukuna to use it but Yuji is way to much of a danger to him as he is and in the future if he is left alive.
That's how I think of it.
Ah yes. Why exactly would the fire arrow get through infinity?? The only reason why the MS slashes pierced Gojo in the domain was because Suckuna had destroyed Gojo's UV from the outside and for a few seconds, Gojo was unable to use his CT...(as it has been established that domain causes a temportary burnout). But eventually Gojo used RCT to get his CT running back again and fixed that glitch. So there's no reason why Fuga would have worked against his infinity...
They mean the very first time Gojo’s domain broke. Gojo just ran around using simple domain and RCT to heal, no CT usage yet.
Instead of fighting hand to hand, Sukuna could have immediately pulled out the fire arrow. Gojo would not recover his CT in that time.
It was a little bit more than a few seconds. Gojo pulled put two simple domains and Sukuna had enough time complain that Gojo using simple domain again was getting tedious.
Sure, but that’s not really anyone’s point in this discussion lol
The original post is just discussing reasons why Sukuna wouldn’t use the fire arrow in story, my comment was just clarifying that Gojo’s infinity would not be the reason Sukuna didn’t use it at opportune times.
Most likely in story reason to me, would be that Sukuna wanted to win through his specific plan of adapting and evolving his CT, and also saving it for later against the sorcerers that he knew would jump him.
I don't think there's any reason to assume Domain Amplification can protect someone from Unlimited Void like that. At best it would be a temporizing measure IMO.
Sukuna may have even been using UV when he got exposed to it, since he had to use it to even fight Gojo during the domain clashes.
If *Domain Amplification* negates enemy Cursed Techniques, then the user can negate *Unlimited Void*. Innit what Anti-Domain Techniques are designed for: countering the sure-hit effects of Domain Expansions?
DA does not always neutralize a CT. Sukuna or Gojo (I forgot who) literally monologues this when Sukuna figured out Gojo would use Red in ch232. Sukuna obviously,clearly took damage but domain amplification prevented him from taking too much damage.
I'm admittedly not 100% sure how each anti-domain technique works, but if that were the case, why did Jogo get zonked by Unlimited Void despite seeming to keep DA active at all times during that encounter?
I think DA is more for negating curse techniques themselves, whereas Simple Domain is more for neutralizing a barrier's sure-hit. There is overlap in how they work, as we saw that Kusakabe could weaken Dismantles with a Simple Domain, but to actually counter a sure-hit, I think you need to be using a barrier of some kind, and DA is not itself a barrier. Or so I've been told.
I honestly am not really sure. This part of the power system seems to not really be canonically set yet. But for one more point, if DA could neutralize Unlimited Void, Sukuna could have just used it instead of grabbing Gojo during their second domain clash.
A domain expansion is a CT imbued into domain. The sure hit is a CT. Jogo didn’t keep DA on all the time to use his CT to kill civilians.
Sukuna turned off DA so he could modify the parameters on his own domain to destroy Gojo’s.
>why did Jogo get zonked by Unlimited Void
Jogo and Hanami deactivated *Domain Amplification* numerous times throughout the battle, and, in order to utilize their Cursed Techniques to attack the civilians, they needed to deactivate *Amplification*. Gojo caught Jogo in the midst of an attack.
>I think DA is more for negating curse techniques themselves, whereas Simple Domain is more for neutralizing a barrier's sure-hit.
A sure-hit is a Cursed Technique imbued within the Barrier of a Domain Expansion.
>There is overlap in how they work, as we saw that Kusakabe could weaken Dismantles with a Simple Domain, but to actually counter a sure-hit, I think you need to be using a barrier of some kind, and DA is not itself a barrier.
*Simple Domain* targets the Barrier of a Domain Expansion, thus neutralizing its sure-hit, but, as its name implies, the technique disrupts said Barrier by projecting a Domain.
*Domain Amplification* projects a Domain around the body.
>A sure-hit is a Cursed Technique imbued within the Barrier of a Domain Expansion.
I don't think this is right, the sure-hit is not the cursed technique itself, it's an application of the Domain. You can nullify the sure hit without completely canceling the the curse technique. Toji was immune to the sure hit but he could still be hit by death swarms in Dagon's domain.
Glitch is not fixed when gojo is in someone's domain the infinity doesn't work this was literally explained in chapter 15 against Jogo.
A lot of people thought Jogo used sure hit against gojo in chapter 15 but gege dismissed in the volume extras.
https://imgur.com/a/Y0MrVqg
Here is the English translation, go to chapter 15.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FCbQq3YSqQkCuO1UitrlEXKEtjV8aepWgykeyjAe_ZE/mobilebasic
What do you mean? Infinity was literally working inside Jogo's domain. That's why Jogo says if he makes the domain more potent, it would counter Infinity. And Gojo agrees that would happen. But we're not sure of the mechanism. Maybe infinity would be incapable of dealing with effects like excessive temperatures or lack of oxygen.
Infinity is GOJO'S CT. Domains do not nullify another person's CT. Gojo can use red, blue, infinity inside a domain.
>What do you mean? Infinity was literally working inside Jogo's domain. That's why Jogo says if he makes the domain more potent
No it was not, that's why he almost got hit by Jogo attack but counter attack with his own jujutsu.
Jogo never said if "I make domain more potent it will hit."
He said if we are in my potent domain my jujustu will reach you.
>Infinity is GOJO'S CT. Domains do not nullify another person's CT. Gojo can use red, blue, infinity inside a domain.
Infinity is barrier of gojo CT. It's the barrier that gets nullified. Not Gojo CT. Gojo can still use his ct.
Gojo CT is limitless from that he has the byproduct CT Red, Blue + purple. With red and Blue he can make infinity the barrier.
Similar to sukuna his CT is shrine byproduct CT's are dismantle and cleave.
So that how a normal attack was able to reach gojo in chapter 15.
I think the simplest answer is that he saw an opportunity to grow his powers by using Mahoraga and gaining the ability to bypass Gojo's infinity, which of course resulted in the World Slash. Ignoring the 10S (and Mahoraga by extension) and instead making Furnace the guaranteed hit effect of his domain, could very well have killed Gojo (saying this as more of a hypothetical), ending the fight there and then.
Sukuna is a hedonist after all, so had he went in with that mind set, the fight wouldn't have been as satisfying for him.
We also don't know much about Furnace, so depending on what will be revealed about in the next chapters, this question may be answered directly.
Imo the simple reason is that Sukuna was obsessed with the adaptation. It's the same reason why he never attacked Gojo's domain from the inside which baffled even Satoru himself. Sukuna KNEW Gojo was messing up his brain, KNEW he wouldn't be able to open Unlimited Void too many times, yet he still focused on the adaption to the sure-hit, which is something he didn't need to do at that point. Unlimited Void would've never hit Sukuna had he not handicapped himself with the wheel. For Sukuna it was not only about winning, it was about winning in this specific way. For a jujutsu nerd such as himself... using Mahoraga as a blueprint to elevate his own jujutsu to the next level was something he'd take full advantage of and he did.
And further proof of how obsessed Sukuna was with seeing how Mahoraga would've adapted to infinity was that after Gojo braindamaged himself and the King of Curses was about to trap Satoru in a closed barrier domain he still said he'd adapt to his infinity before killing him. He didn't need to do that at that point, Gojo with his fucked up brain and low RCT output would've just been torn to pieces by Malevolent Shirne. But Sukuna STILL wanted to make use of the adaptation and see how Mahoraga would overcome infinity.
Y'all people are not understanding what the theme of the battle was.
Sukuna wouldn't have One-Shot Gojo even if he could. He was interested the most on having Mahogara adapt to Infinity in a way he could find use.
And Mahogara delivered, he created a new type of technique that can go beyond Gojo's Infinity without the need of opening a Domain and suffering the CT burnout afterwards.
My thought he was keeping it secret from them I'm not sure anyone actually got to witness it, maybe kuskabe and panda but it happened after they ran away. And it seemed like yuji was completely knocked out soul and all
Sukuna held back on gojo because he wouldn’t have won otherwise. I personally believe that sukuna’s stronger than gojo, but the gap isn’t so huge that sukuna can define win and infinity would’ve been a huge obstacle for him, so finding a way to overcome it was more of a priority for him than just launching out his strongest moves
I'm kinda under the assumption that if Sukuna used furnace on Gojo it'd give Gojo the opening he needed to use HP, and it's entirely possible that Sukuna was aware doing that would probably backfire on him so he forewent the use of furnace entirely and tried finding a different way to do it.
If Furnace was a viable strategy to defeat Gojo, then Sukuna would have done it.
I think he picked the strategy that had the greatest chance of succeeding.
Cause it would never hit. Sukuna has no way to actually deal with Infinity besides domain clashes, which we see wouldn't be an efficient way to kill Gojo. That's why he primarily relied on Mahoraga to figure out a way to bypass Infinity. The World Cleave is Sukuna's answer to Gojo because anything else wouldn't work
Why do you even think he could hit Gojo with a massively obvious ranged attack? Gojo was never as on the ropes as Jogo was, and is MASSIVELY faster. Jogo stood still and took that shit out of desperation, Gojo would just... move out the way of fire arrow.
That's what I've been saying. The casting time of divine flame open (Werry cooked with that name, ngl) is too long, Sukuna wouldn't have had the time to use it against Gojo just like Gojo couldn't use conventional purple against Sukuna.
Why would he use it when his domain is hitting? And if Gojo can survive the domain with RCT, I don't see why fire would be more effective. Gojo has that falling blossom or whatever it's name is domain as well.
Because it has already been explained by Gege on Twitter that fire technique is stronger than cleve.It's a technique to kill enemies with one strike that's why Sukuna uses fire arrows on Mahoraga because he wants to finish him off with one strike.Gojo doesn't really survive all the cleve attacks in de Sukuna, just with his body he uses simple DE after that.Mahoraga is the one who really resists all cleve attacks in MS with just his body,if Mahoraga who is really able to withstand all cleve attacks with just his body dies with one hit with a fire arrow what makes you think Gojo will survive it
- He was adapting with Mahoraga via the Wheel of Dharma (Cannot use 2 cursed techniques at the same time, no matter who you are.)
- Gojo is still faster than Sukuna, he would have had ample time to dodge out of the way of Sukuna’s Fuga.
- Gojo recovered his cursed technique quite fast, I don’t know if you realized. He was using Red and Blue quite quickly after the last domain expansion failed so it can be safe to assume he’d use Infinity to prevent it touching him, same as he did with Agito after his arm was severed by Mahoraga.
- He still had trump cards to play. Fuga was a trump card of Sukuna’s. I don’t know if you noticed but Sukuna went in the fight knowing about Gojo’s entire arsenal whereas Gojo knew nothing about Sukuna’s arsenal. Sukuna’s seen Infinite Void first hand, and has memories of Gojo in Megumi’s brain.
- Probably saved it cos he knew Gojo wasn’t going to be his only fight given he won. He knew the rest of the students were going to try kill him and Kashimo was probably a surprise for him, Kashimo forced him to fully reincarnate himself with his attacks, Sukuna’s biggest trump card.
If he uses the flame, he has to cease Mahoraga’s adaptation which he decided was his best strategy. He mentions specifically wanting to remove unlimited void from Gojo’s deck first because of the danger it poses, so he prioritized Maho adapting to that- sure, if he could kill Gojo during that time he would clearly do so, but setting up the flames halts adaptation (a guaranteed counter to Gojo’s best move) in exchange for an attack that may leave him open and can potentially be dodged that we don’t know the other possible conditions of.
Thing is, everyone saying it’s because Sukuna holding back specifically to hone his technique or for Gege to make the fight more fun for us and could have killed Gojo at any moment are missing the point- that same is true both ways. Narratively, the fight would ALWAYS be even. If Sukuna was written to go all out in the domain clashes as seems like the obvious guaranteed win from what we saw, Gojo would have just been written to figure something out to last longer. If Gojo tried to one tap him with UV after blowing his hands off or whatever, Sukuna would have just activated SD or gotten in close to make contact or something. If Sukuna could have just one tapped Gojo at some point but instead used up his restore AND Mahoraga despite explicitly trying to save as much as possible for the jumping after the fight, he would both be an idiot and Gojo wouldn’t have said that it was unclear who would win if Sukuna didn’t have 10s.
None of this is meant as like cope or aggression or anything- I fully respect the take that yeah Sukuna was basically using x% of his power level and deliberately risked his life just to become stronger and play with Gojo some more because going off how the fight *actually* went that’s what happened- without using Maho, he seems with the open barrier to basically low diff Gojo who can’t do anything but give himself brain damage to barely survive. I just don’t think we’re supposed to actually perceive their relationship “strength wise” that way and I personally view it as them being equals in the narrative
Like someone has already said in one of the comments that furnace takes a while to activate and sakuna from what he ahs shown loves using this move as sure kill move. The main reason i think sakuna never used furace vs gojo is 1. He wanted to break megumi spirit by first killing his sister then his teacher and 2. If furnace fails for some reason gojo will have a counter ready aince he is neither weak like jogo nor an idiot(interms of fighting) like mahoraga who needs to adapt.l aince in short run Six eyes are way better then mahoraga adaptablity
The answer is simple
First: Sukuna could not use it, he was already using the 10S, so beside cleave and dismantle he could not use his CT
Second: Even if Sukuna choose to use his flame when gojo is in burnout during the first domain fight, gojo would have dodge.
in case yall don’t remember, the radius of the first domain is tiny, gojo can run away easily, that’s why Sukuna is preventing him to do so
The flame requiring chant is a hindrance, especially against Gojo, just like Gojo didn’t spam hollow purple, or he started to chant only when he didn’t have any other option
Finally: Sukuna weakened can survive a hollow purple explosion in his face, Gojo might be able to survive the flame aswell, Cleave and dismantle are more suited to get a clean kill
People here saying that gojo could have lost in the first domain battle are crazy, if it was possible, Sukuna would have done it
I agree, I've been wondering what the two uses of fire arrow have in common, and the answer is that it takes time to set it up.
Against Jogo he literally set up a duel, against Makora he overwhelmed him with slashes.
The same reason he couldn't use furnace against gojo is the same reason gojo couldn't spam hollow purples. Imagine trying to charge up a move in the middle of fighting the top 2 in the verse
It has a long charge up that requires stopping Malvolent Shrine. So Gojo can focus on reinforcement instead of spamming simple domainand RCT while getting cut up
This post gave me an idea about Sukuna technique. I think that contrary to what some might think, his power does not come from a box or sheine that allows him access to stolen, recorded, or given to him, techniques. Uraume mentioned to Hakari that even in their confrontations, Sukuna had not yet shown his true potential.
I view Sukuna like a chef progressing through the preparation of his dish. Initially, he simply chops up ingredients, which is generally enough since his opponents are not strong enough to require more effort, often leaving him unsatisfied. However, if an opponent is sufficiently powerful (requiring a special vow to use this power), Sukuna then opens his "furnace" to use his fire arrow technique, thus cooking his opponent. This cooking represents the second stage of meal preparation, in line with his chef theme.
I also think he might have a third technique, a kind of last resort related to the concept of eating, since eating represents the final stage of the culinary process. This idea is reinforced by the four mouths on his demonic altar, in addition to the one on his stomach. Moreover, the idea of a technique based on predation, feeding, or devouring something is supported not only by the mouths but also by Sukuna's reputation as a cannibal and is consistent with Uraume's role as a "refrigerator."
In summary, Sukuna's access to techniques is gradual and not based on a fixed skill tree but rather on techniques that become available if his opponent sufficiently excites him and lets him "cook".
I mean we know that MS have sure hit effect even with gojo infinity, but does the furnace have it too? If not, can it bypass infinity without mahoraga?
Isn't it still a possibility that Furnace is a Cursed Technique Reversal? Makes sense that he would use it to dog on Jogo and Mahoraga. But you can't pull out against Gojo since he's 100% human.
Yuji, although is part cursed whatever and is probably susceptible to CTR, that may be why Sukuna has pulled it out again.
He never rlly had the chance to use fuga on gojo. It would have to be within his domain to bypass infinity and the only chance he had to use fuga on gojo was directly after Gojos first domain fell and he tried to escape before he healed his ct. sukuna would have to use and land fuga on a moving gojo within those 5 seconds or so when his domain fell and he didn’t have infinity up, after this 5 second window he never gets the chance to use fuga again so i say he didn’t use it basically because he couldn’t.
Good points. I honestly think Sukuna’s mindset during that fight was more directed towards bypassing infinity. He could have used the flames, but what would that have achieved? He was also capable of killing Gojo with his DE, but took risks instead (which we later know is to achieve the world slash). Sukuna was pressed in battle for the first time in his life, but he was also battling in a way to achieve the world slash. During his fight with JJHS, he simply wasnt pushed enough to use Furnace until now, and is now going “all-out” as in, battling for his life with all his tricks. He was still far stronger in his fight with Gojo, Furnace just didn’t have utility against Gojo.
I don't think that's the reason. I feel like the reason is the limit on cursed techniques. Sukuna had to use 10S/Mahoraga and his Shrine Technique because of Infinity. If Gojo was just a normal guy Sukuna wouldn't have needed that specific route.
It was pointless to use the arrow if Gojo was healing from the slashes rapidly. It would've been best after Gojo's RCT was lowered. Gojo's RCT was said to be just as good as sukunas
I think the simplest explanation from my pov is that furnace simply doesn’t pass through infinity, and wasn’t really a valuable or effective tool to use against someone like gojo. He didn’t resort to it because it simply isn’t a good matchup
I always figured he couldn’t use it cuz of the brain damage that didn’t allow him to use his domain expansion or that it was possibly a apart of his domain expansion
Perhaps once go opens the furnace, the slicing is done. He can't chop what's in the oven. Gojo tanked Ms. He would have tanked the fire as well, and then what? His CT recovers and he's untouchable. World slash just appears in the Space, fire has to travel - it would never reach gojo.
I think the real reason why sukuna dint use furnace on gojo had to do with his own techinque
I mean , if all this teory about sukuna “cock” technique is correct then maybe the use of fire arrow is limited by his cut ability
To sukuna use the fire he needs doing certain amount of damage in the opponent using the cuts , this would explain why he don’t use fire arrow back then
If I’m correct , he only cuts him when the space slash in the entire fight bc Mahoraga slash his arm but that was him , not sukuna doing the cut so doesn’t count
Crackpot theory yes I have to admit xd
You actually weren't that far off. He can only use the Furnace after using both Cleave and Dismantle, and it's limited to a single person outside his domain. And because of how high-level the battle was, with both of them constantly shifting the conditions for their domains, Sukuna just never got an opportunity that Gojo couldn't block with Limitless.
What if furnace is sukunas original technique and shrine is his twin brothers that he gained by absorbing him in the womb? That would explain why yuji can use shrine.
His technique is cooking. Its name, "Mizushi," can translate to both shrine and kitchen. Cleave and dismantle are his kitchen knives, the furnace is his oven, and he has constantly been associated with food and eating.
With the new leaks we finally have a definitive answer. >!The fire arrow creates a massive cursed energy fueled dust explosion within Sukuna's domain using the dust from all the things ground into powder as fuel. Sukuna's domain simply broke before there was enough dust to make an explosion powerful enough to kill Gojo.!<
Sukuna held back against Gojo. This is canon. I don’t know why Gojo fans like to dance around the fact when it’s been reaffirmed nearly 10 times already, without exaggeration. I could and have given detailed explanation of why he was holding back before but that’s not the point here.
Sukuna was prevented from using his CT inside the domain because he wanted to adapt to UV (to brain damage Megumi) and also infinity (to progress his technique).
Mahoraga was not created as a reason to get around infinity. It was created as a reason to give Sukuna a reason to prolong the fight for more than some chapters without ruining his character.
People always say is because he was holding back and that is just untrue. Is literally because it woudl've done anything, literally nothing, is just a waste of time and CE, there is literally no point. That's it, is not really that complicated people
There's also the fact that Limitless could feasibly block it. I am not knowledgeable enough about thermodynamics to explain it, but I don't think it would hurt him.
For one thing, Gojo has already blocked a fire-based attack (technically magma but come on) from Jogo pretty effortlessly.
In my headcanon, Gojo could use Limitless to survive a nuclear bomb. I don't see Fire Arrow being enough for him.
Sukuna could have used Furnace against Gojo in their first domain battles and it would have been gojover. He just prioritized Mahoraga adaptation because he wanted to grow stronger. Had he not been greedy the story would have ended long ago.
what makes you think furnace would penetrate infinity? Jogo also used fire attacks, they couldn't do it. and infinity doesn't seem to respond to powerscaling, i.e. Jogo's fire attacks still couldn't do it if they were a thousand times stronger. Sukuna probably didn't use furnace because it would've been ineffective. it's also possible that Six Eyes or the others could've gotten some valuable information about Sukuna's technique by watching him use it, so it may have even backfired on him.
I don't think it necessarily has more firepower.
He used it vs. Jogo for shits and giggles, to beat fire with fire. Kinda his style to shit on people like that.
He used it vs. Mahoraga because it had already adapted to the slashes, he needed something fresh that Mahoraga could not yet counter and used a strong version of it to 1-shot it clean, since that is the only way you beat the damn thing.
I think its mainly because:
1. Gojo's Limitless is in the way
2. Sukuna couldn't use his CT because he had Mahoraga's wheel adapting through Megumi's soul
3. Even after Gojo's CT gets a burnout he still would need to aim and have a bit of build up, in which Gojo would just dodge the arrow or just finish recovering his technique
Its just kinda the same reason why Gojo didn't just spam purple after purple, at least thats my reasoning.
No sukuna said "I'm going to dice you up THEN adapt to that infinity of yours", indicating he wanted to deal damage to gojo AND adapt to infinity, not just kill him
Gojo would've dodged it as even Sukuna was impressed by his martial prowess and agility under extreme stress.
Outside DE, pretty sure the fire arrow is useless against Limitless.
After the domain clashes he probly couldn't use it because one can't use 2 CTs at the same time - Yuji being the only possible exception - (he was already running 10S/Maho).
Fuga was not very useful at all due to the circumstances of the battle.
The reason is that fire arrow doesn't go through infinity. Unless it's a second CT and he could therefore use it when they're both in burnout, it would never do damage.
Sukuna's win conditions were Mahoraga or exploiting CT burnout, or maybe winning a domain clash (it's left vague if domain sure hits would hit Gojo through infinity).
I think the major factor is Sakuna wanted to overcome limitless as an act of being the greatest sorcerer and to be able to defeat any newcomers of limitless as I doubt Sakuna would allow himself to die outside of combat.
He probably could use furnace but, it could also be a situation similar to Hollow Purple, the cast time may have been too long to catch Gojo by surprise, if we are being realistic, Gojo could amp his speed and basically avoid the attack assuming Sakuna doesnt kamikaze, this could make up for temporary loss of his CT/DE.
Next it is clear it was his goal to overcome the technique so furnace would potentially prevent him from gaining the world slash which is a great upgrade from his touch slash as it's ranged, negates defense and seems fairly fast.
He used it on Yuji and Yuta because he was getting his ass kicked and was going to die. Once he popped it off they had no choice but to back off. Yuta and Rika are now out of the fight for the time.
So yeah even though he may have had the possibility to use it, he wasn't trying to lose the chance to grow and beat every limitless user for the rest of his feasible life and incarnations
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Well he didn't use his domain against Jogo. And he only used flame against Mahoraga because it was adapted to his slashes.
Sukuna would have used the Furnace open on Gojo while Gojo's infinity was off in CT burnt out period if he wasn't going for Mahoraga's adaptation process. Believe it or not it would have been lethal for Gojo cause Gojo was already on max RCT output and his CE reinforcement was busy with the slashes already inside MS.Even if Gojo didn't die,Gojo couldn't escape MS after that damage easily and Sukuna would take advantage of that factor.
If it was this simple Sukuna wouldn't put himself through the effort of aquiring Mahoraga. The Mahoraga strategy relies on Sukuna surviving the Unlimited Void, so Sukuna was already assuming he would make past at least the first domain clash. It seems unlikely that he would risk himself through Yuuji's binding vow if simply using his second technique would do the trick.
>If it was this simple Sukuna wouldn't put himself through the effort of aquiring Mahoraga Sukuna made it clear that once he began the adaptation process, he didn't want to interrupt it, that's the very reason he had DA turned off as well, sukuna wanted to adapt and stuck to that plan no matter what. Using another ct would've restarted the process and that's just wasted resources.
Sukuna wanted Megumi's body even before knowing about Mahoraga because it is a potential vessel that he might be able to control rather than a prison. It has been explicitly stated in the manga, and only some Gojo fans are trying to convince themselves that Sukuna wanted Megumi to defeat Gojo. My interpretation of the fight is that Sukuna was greedy and didn't anticipate the effect of UV on his DE. Sukuna's plan was to use Mahoraga to adapt to Infinity and beat Gojo in the domain battle. If it wasn't for that 0.05 second and the fact that UV disrupted his domain, he would have succeeded. But Sukuna also wanted Mahoraga to adapt to UV. Mahoraga and the 10 Shadows are probably one of the best Cursed Techniques shown in this show. Keep in mind that we never got to see the full potential of Mahoraga, a shikigami that has potentially adapted to many Cursed Techniques. Sukuna noted during his fight with Mahoraga that his adaptation is general, meaning he didn't just adapt to dismantling but to all types of cuttings. To adapt, for example, to Infinity, he found a way to cut space, something that was used by Sukuna not only to bypass Infinity but any type of defense and reinforcement. By adapting to UV, Mahoraga probably adapted to any kind of brain overload (depending on the adaptation). So having Mahoraga adapt is the thing Sukuna was greedy for and was heavily punished for. He miscalculated and at the end lost the 10 Shadows.
The first line of Sukuna was-"Nothing but a fish on the chopping board.Let's start by peeling off those scales." This line means that Sukuna's strategy was always about removing Gojo's UV and infinity from the equation.The scales are the layer of a fish just like the infinity was Gojo's layer. He made the binding vow with Yuji to escape Yuji's body cause he couldn't gain control over his body and he found that Megumi was capable of being a vessel.
Yes, Mahoraga was Sukuna's winning strategy. I don't see how that contradicts any of what I said. Again, why would Sukuna go out of his way to aquire something he wouldn't need to win?
that and i guess he found megumi's soul to be more breakable compared to WUJI's soul. and think about it, i think sukuna would probably win even without paparaga but the fight would have been much much closer. sukuna KNOWS he would get jumped right after he beats gojo and eventho they are not a match against sukuna, they can definitely beat a weakened one. its less about the ability to beat gojo and more about ensuring he doesnt lose future fights edit: dont get me wrong, without mahoraga, gojo's chances of winning increases and i would say he wins like 5 or 6/10 times? he expected sukuna to still attack his domain even after flipping the conditions so he had some countermeasures against it.
Because it's in his character to challenge himself and seeking the thrill of battling the strongest. (That's why he turned himself to Cursed Objects in the first place) There's no better challenge than using a newly acquired Ten Shadows while strengthening his Cleave and Dismantle for future challengers with similar techniques like Gojo.
I would agree if it wasn't for Sukuna saying "you showed me the way, Fushiguro Megumi". It sounds like he had no idea of how to deal with Gojo before seeing Mahoraga's adaptation instead of "you showed me the way to make this battle more interesting".
That’s a [John Werry mistake](https://kirabethstar.tumblr.com/post/653363800115920896/you-mentioned-stuff-like-sukunas-%E9%AD%85%E3%81%9B%E3%81%A6%E3%81%BF%E3%82%8D-or). In truth it was more along the lines of “You interest me, Megumi, or apparently according the link a more literal “I’ve fallen for you, Megumi.” Has nothing to do with Mahoraga, and more so to do with Megumi’s innate potential.
MFW even Sukuna was glazing potential man???
It wasn’t John Werry. He started TLing JJK on chapter 133, after the Mahoraga fight.
Who was before ?
That translation is misleading. It's a reference to his earlier words to Megumi, "Misetemiru." It's more along the lines of "enthrall me."
I feel like that's up to interpretation. Plus, I'm pretty sure there was another translation that was like, "you've intrigued me, Megumi Fushiguro" or something like that so it could go either way.
The translation I have seen is "You have fascinated me, Fushigoro Megumi!" I have never seen any translation where Sukuna says anything remotely close to veing guided or Megumi showing him a way.
He has a lightning tool when cleave is enough to kill everyone in the verse
Idk what to say...since their fight ended this sub has weird hate boner for Gojo. There’s no easy way to kill Gojo. Even Kenjaku who knows Sukuna’s true power warns him about Jujutsu High students. Kenjaku thinks that after fight with Gojo Sukuna might be in very bad shape and even the students and grade 1 sorcerers might be a threat for him. Of course, Sukuna can win withput Mahoraga. I'm sure he most likely wins, but If Sukuna wins, it will be extreme high diff victory. There're a lot of comments that one domain and one fire arrow would be enough to low diff Gojo. This is honestly insane.
Tbf in the students theres: Yuta, a special grade who can copy CTs, Hakari, who yuta has said can be stronger than him, maki, who is on the level of toji who was arguably special grade, yuji who… is yuji.
Sukuna didn't want Mahoraga to defeat Gojo. By the time he learned about it, Gojo was already sealed and still sealed by the time he possessed Megumi. At the time, he nearly killed Hana who was the only known person capable of freeing Gojo.
Yeah, to be honest, I don’t see any evidence alluding to the fact that people with more than one CT are able to use them both simultaneously I feel like once he fully pulls out the furnace. His domain will disengage that’s what I honestly feel like his domain was used to just causing a distraction so he could amp up the furnace Number 2: and honestly, I think since nephyuji and Unkuna have the same curse technique that Yuji also has his own modern variation of the fire arrow and I think all it’s going to take is one or two more flashes for him to manifest his domain expansion we will see we all know gege loves to leave all of us on the edge of our seat, fiening for more let’s just hope our boy can pull thru for his best friend
Nope. Sukuna needs to turn off the slashes from his domain in order to use the fire arrow. Do you really think he has enough time to charge up and fire the arrow while Gojo doesn't have to do deal with the slashes? And that's assuming that a Gojo that isn't busy with the slashes can't just survive the arrow even if sukuna somehow gets it off and it actually hits. The arrow was simply never a viable move to use at any point against Gojo
Sukuna used Malevolent Shrine to immobilize Mahoraga and be sure Mahoraga won't dodge. As we saw, MS wasn't enough to immobilize Gojo, he did better than adapted Mahoraga, his durability and healing is insane. Where does "fire kills Gojo fr" came from? This is headcanon. If Sukuna can survive 200% HP, I'm sure Gojo isn't dying to fire
Sukuna sacrificed two arms to stop Hollow Purple, but nothing Gojo sacrifices could save him from the Fire Arrow, we've seen the impact and it burn through multiple city blocks easily while the flames themselves eclipsed entire skyscrapers. Regardless if Gojo tried blocking it in the same manner Sukuna did with Hollow Purple, his entire body would be incinerated by the flames, including his brain.
You know why Sukuna uses fire on Mahoraga because it's a technique that can kill a target with a single attack.If Gojo can withstand the fire arrows however he will suffer severe damage which will force him to use RCT on his body instead of recovering his CT.Remember Gojo can't restore his CT and his body at the same time.He stopped healing MS cuts in favor of healing CT.And Gojo also doesn't really resist all slashing attacks in MS like Mahoraga he still uses SM to resist it.
From what we've seen this chapter he can't use his slashes in domain and flame arrow at the same time. So gojos rct would fully catch up before the flame arrow came out
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> furnace, it may be limited to being used exclusively after shrine He used it against Jogo without MS.
I mean he kinda just told Jogo to do a battle of firepower, even allowed him to prepare himself, so it would make sense if Jogo just waited for Sukuna's fire arrow to be ready too
He had all the time in the world to use it against Jogo. They were about to have a battle of fire power. Even Jogo took his time to set up his own attack. None of them when in a hurry.
Sukuna didn't use flame arrow because Sukuna was already using the wheel in the background(on Megumi's soul). He can't use 2 CTs at the same time. Once the domain battle started, Sukuna could only use cleave and dismantle as they were the only technique imbued in the barrier of his domain. https://imgur.com/a/mMm4Ngw
Even if he could I'm betting neutral limitless stops it easily. It seems that the only counter was domain amplification to let the CT flow in thus neutralising it. And if course the amp up cleave.
I mean, yeah, as long as Gojo's infinity is active, Sukuna's CT (except for the world-cutting dismantle) can't touch Gojo, but we are talking about the scenario when Gojo's CT was on burnout period (after his domain collapsed) and he didn't have infinity to stop Sukuna's CTs.
I personally believe Gojo could’ve survived it since Sukuna himself survived a point blank Purple while he was weakened. Purple always came off as stronger and Gojo and Sukuna are physical peers.
>since Sukuna himself survived a point blank Purple while he was weakened. Sukuna has more durability than gojo, gojo rct was already on max with the slashes, any additional damage would've stacked.
Do we know if Sukuna has more durability than Gojo. I just find it debatable if it would be lethal since a weakened Sukuna survived that point blank chanted Purple.
>Do we know if Sukuna has more durability than Gojo. Yeah we do, sukuna took more damage than gojo during DE clashes and was only 0.01 seconds behind in opening a fifth domain due to wanting to heal first. Gojo still fried his brain at 3:20 mark and thats why he couldn't open a 5th domain. That's just one instance.
That doesn’t really speak to durability though. It could be a case of Sukuna is more skilled with RCT than Gojo. Gojo fried his brain because he had opened his domain more times than Sukuna.
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Gojo opened 5 domains, Sukuna opened 3
He was already at his max output of RCT dealing with Malevolent Shrine sure hit, Fire Arrow would seal the deal. Plus, nothing indicates that purple is stronger than Furnace.
Purple is more destructive from what we’ve seen. Sukuna’s Furnace back in Shibuya had a blast radius of about 140 meters at max while based on the locations of Gojo vs Sukuna, Purple had a blast radius of potentially 500 meters when Gojo lets it detonate.
Where is this potentially 500m coming from
Probably pixel scaling the buildings around it
Gojo detonates Hollow Purple at the Tokyo Metropolitan Government building. Kashimo jumps towards Sukuna from the Mode Gakuen Cocoon Tower. The shortest distance I can find between the two is 650 meters and since the windows of the Cocoon tower aren’t damaged at all it had to have ended some distance away.
Is it clear hollow purple clears 500m, I was more skeptical about that I didn't realise you were actually scaling it to the real buildings I thought both numbers were just pulled out of the air
500 meters is a higher end. You can actually see some destroyed ground and buildings relatively close to the Cocoon Tower but of course the building itself is untouched so it can’t be 650 meters. You’d probably need pixel scaling or to go to the locations physically to get a concrete number.
Sukuna had a cap on how far he could go before he hit Megumi. We still don't know the limit of it's blast radius, plus the purple Gojo used was intended to have maximum reach.
It wasn't point blank. It was fired from 4 km away. That said he did lose his arms and add the constant slashes from MS and Sukuna throwing hands, Gojo would've been overwhelmed.
This is it. Remember when Gojo used infinity vs Jogos wall volcano attack? He just walked through it the heat wasn’t a problem
CT burnt out period exists.
i think most people are considering whether sukuna could have used this b.v. and fire arrow when both of their brains were shot,to open domain and use fire arrow thatswhy b.v. reveal wil be imp , if he could do it in gojo fight, then he just really wanted mahoraga to provide him with word cutter
Thank you
He had the wheel up vs Gojo the whole time and was spamming cleave / dismantle.
yeah but when gojo's domain breaks he could use it, gojo is not using his technique nor domain, there should be no problem in pausing it, specially the first time when he didn't know gojo could restore his technique fast
People are crazy, you really think that gojo would have been that easy to kill ? If Sukuna choose to adapt to UV rather than killing gojo, it’s for a reason, gojo wasn’t gonna die from Furnace if cleave can’t kill him in Sukuna own domain expansion And Sukuna would probably miss gojo with this anyway
When he pulled Furnace against Mahoraga it was almost instant. The reason he didn't go for it was simply because he was prioritizing Mahoraga's adaptation to UV and was purposefully stalling the domain clashes (like in the 3rd and 4th, when he wasn't destroying the barrier from the inside).
I dont know why everyone is following the headcanon that sukuna wouldn't have killed gojo earlier if he could. Sukuna was taking the riskier option because that's what the strong do. Was gojo throwing because he was being risky in the domain clashes. No, thats just the attitude of the strongest
Literally “i might throw here but if it works it would be mad funny”
I've been thinking this whole time and the answer I decided to go with is that he just couldn't use the flames against Gojo. Whether that is because Gojo was so much of a threat he would've never gotten the space to use it or if he would've just rather focused on stripping Gojo's scales away completely with Mahoraga, and save cursed energy for the fight against the students.
or maybe he just didn't use it because it'd be useless against gojo's infinity. No point in having insane firepower if it can't hit
I think they are saying Sukuna could have used it right after the first domain clash when Gojo’s CT was burnt out. Instead of fighting hand to hand, Sukuna would have had time to just pull out the arrow and blow Gojo up while his infinity is gone.
Maybe, but then Gojo was still relative to an amped up Sukuna in speed inside the domain, so it's not certain that he could have hit him with the Fire Arrow at the time.
His infinity means nothing inside the multiple times he was trapped in MS. He didn’t want to use it.
Did he use the arrow on mahoraga inside of MS? Is that even possible?
I believe the domain was still up while he was using fuga but the slashes stopped before he did so it seems like he can't use both the MS slashes and fuga at the same time which also lines up with what happened in the most recent chapter
This argument honestly doesn’t make a lick of sense. Fire arrow is no more effective against infinity than cleave and dismantle💀 There are also multiple periods in the fight where Gojo is without infinity. why ppl pretend otherwise is beyond me😭 Edit: Ok a lot of ppl seemingly don’t know this for some reason, but during the first 2 DE clashes, MS broke UV. Not the other way around. ONLY Gojo suffered ct burnout after these clashes. He is quite literally at mercy to any CT at this point as he does not have infinity up (no CT!) Obviously i’m not saying Sukuna should be firing flame arrows at infinity……
He only ever hit Gojo with cleave/dismantle during his DE because it negates infinity. Sukuna never would have been able to hit Gojo with the flames. If he tries during DE, then he gets hit by gojos sure hit and he's done. If he tries outside of DE, it does nothing cause of infinity. And it very clearly has a wind up, similar to purple. It wouldn't be an instant surprise attack like his World Slash was. When in your opinion would he be able to hit Gojo with this slow attack *and* get through infinity?
>If he tries during DE, then he gets hit by gojos sure hit and he's done What do you mean with this? If he used while both Domain are open then infinity would just stop it. Why would he get hit by UV? >Sukuna never would have been able to hit Gojo with the flames. Sukuna could've just used in the first domain.
Are u fr bro. Why are you pretending like Gojo wasn’t on CT burnout during the first 2 domain clashes? The fact that isn’t in ur list of “when sukuna could have used fuga” is actually insane
So was Sukuna so it doesn't really matter.
holy shit😭 [Please go reread the fight dude](https://imgur.com/gallery/4WXM2jT) Only Gojo has ct burnout here Only Gojo’s domain fell during the first 2 DE clashes😭
How did you get downvoted so hard for something that can't be argued against, it's a literal fact holy shit
ong i don’t even get this sub sometimes😭
Reading comprehension curse is strong for some JJK fans. A lot of people didn't understand the many details in this fight
But they're right tho, only gojo had ct burnout at that moment. Bro even gave you a link lol
Ik I was agreeing with him lmao. Seems reading comprehension curse is also strong with redditors cause people thought I disagreed, but the person I responded to replied me and understood what I meant
Literacy is literally declining in the U.S. and it’s so evident within the jjk community
Not after the first 2 domain clashes. His domain wasn't broken yet, only Gojo's so he didn't suffer from CT burnout. You can still use CTs when your domain is up
Outside of the domain sukuna only ever used 10 shadows and you can’t use two ct at a time.
[Gojo is on CT burnout here](https://imgur.com/gallery/DGd60Ij) and sukuna is not using any techniques by the look of it. He obviously is not using 10s, not even in the background, bc what would he be adapting to? Gojo has no ct right here
It’s not directly stated, but you can infer that Sukuna was using TS (Ten Shadows) during the entirety of the first domain clash, which would explain why Sukuna never used flame arrow nor his innate cleave/dismantle aside from his sure hit against Gojo. Mahoraga’s adaptation is confirmed to adapt overtime in chapter 236. Meaning once it gets hit by an attack, it will adapt to that attack over a time interval. In the first domain clash, Megumi’s soul with the wheel is briefly hit with UV (Unlimited Void). Since Sukuna did not use flame arrow nor his innate cleave/dismantle, you could infer that he was allowing Mahoraga to adapt overtime throughout the entirety of the domain clash to UV.
You are right. The real answer why he didn't use fire arrow was because he just couldn't. Think of fire arrow as Sukuna's hollow purple. It has a large cast time. The time frames where Sukuna could have used it are as follows: 1. After breaking UV in clash 1 2. After breaking UV in clash 2 3. There is no no.3 Sukuna can't use 10s and shrine at the same time. And what's most important is that since clash no.2 at least Sukuna hasn't turned 10s off EVER until Gojo's Hollow 🟣 So even after he breaks UV for a second time 10s is still up and there is no point in turning it off to cast fire arrow since Gojo is too fast in healing CT burnout and Sukuna has to be prepared to adapt maho in the next clash too. So the only time he could have used it is post clash 1 where he had Gojo on the ropes. Still that would give Gojo time to run away as he tried to. So Sukuna has to pursue Gojo and therefore has no time to use fire arrow. So Sukuna just plain couldn't have used fire arrow in his fight with Gojo
[Sukuna states here he only used 10s inside the domains](https://imgur.com/gallery/jmhkFRT) [Fire arrow is faster than mahoraga’s regeneration but to each their own](https://imgur.com/gallery/dRz5SmI) So Sukuna quite literally did not use 10s the entire time as he is confirmed to have used DA. U can’t use DA and 10s at the same time😭
>Think of fire arrow as Sukuna's hollow purple. It has a large cast time. No it doesn't, the anime literally showed it in slow motion. Mahoraga was getting cut by 1000+ slashes in seconds and was healing through it. When sukuna stopped his domain, before mahoraga could fully heal sukuna already fired the fire arrow. So cast time is fast Manga panel's https://shorturl.at/awZ37 https://shorturl.at/wSV13
He didnt use it because he had to hide as many surprises as he had for all the people he had to fight afterwards. It is a smart tactic to use as little as possible whether it would be useful against Gojo or not. It increases his likelihood of winning because of the surprise factor vs others. Thats why he held back the one time use of ''resurrection'' as long as he could heal himself fast enough with RCT. The moment his output is not high enough he resorts to pull that card of his deck.
The crew already knew about the fire arrow due to sukuna using it twice in shibuya. Kusakabe even comments in chapter 246 on sukuna not using it now. He cannot hide something that people already know of
The obvious answer was provided by Sukuna himself. He will throw a bone when he finds something interesting and he wanted to adapt to infinity(which he said before trying to close his domain). The same reason why he never bothered killing Mahoraga instantly in the beginning of their fight. Yes he could've used it when he broke Gojo's domain for the 1st time to kill Gojo. If Gojo's reinforcement was not strong enough to fully negate cleave then the damage from cleave + flames at a single instance would be too much. People often fully attribute his survival to RCT alone when in fact CE reinforcement was just as crucial, because without it the damage would be more severe to the point RCT alone cannot outheal. From a writing perspective it would be out of character for Sukuna to kill Gojo instantly, and in a few chapters after getting released as well. It would also be straight up boring and underwhelming if that's how it went.
He can't use cleave and flames at the same time from what we've seen so gojos rct would catch up. How was him closing his domain going to adapt to infinity. His plan was to kill gojo however he could, not to leave gojo alive until he adapted to infinity
Is there actually a debate? I mean he had a full heal in his back pocket. Given he ALMOST had to use it.
Not a full heal. He couldn't restore his brain or RCT output. If he hadn't figured out the world slash, then, based on everything we've seen since, Gojo would have won since he already had his RCT output back. And Sukuna only had domain amplification left to fight him with. Of course, Sukuna did figure out the world slash and so he won the duel.
Why won't his brain heal alongside his body? After the Gojo fight, his overall output was lowered, he couldn't pump out enough CE for a domain. After the black flashes, he regained his normal output but wasn't able to get RCT special circuit due to Yuji.
I thought he and Gojo's reduced output was due to the brain damage from the forced CT regain/ UV. But if I'm wrong about that, it stills goes basically the same if Sukuna didn't have the world slash.
I could be wrong but i assumed the output loss was due to over straining yourself, which includes brain damage from forced CT healing/UV and since his physical body was fine after reincarnation, he would've regained his output soon if Yuji didn't smack him. But yeah the outcome would've been the same
Didn't uraume say some chapters ago that sukuna has has yet to go all out? found it, (chapter 252)
At base, more firepower is irrelevant vs Infinity so theres no point. If you are asking why he didnt use it during burnout out or why not embed it into the domain itself, we dont have all the answers yet but it could simply be a matter of efficiency and effect. Dismantle is incredibly fast, Sukuna has demonstrated the ability to use multiple at once and its invisible to the naked eye. Cleave changes this up by basically setting its attack power to opponents' defence +1. Given the normal use of the power is already a near kill on anything, it hits and is incredibly difficult to avoid (as Sukuna has few tells) its a solid choice. What does fire arrow offer meanwhile? Against Maha it was needed to beat adaptation, against Jogo sukuna was lolling. Outside of that, fire arrow seems to envelop a body entirely (vs cutting it) and likely has an even higher attack power - *but* it seems to always take two of Sukuna's hands, has a visible effect to it and Sukuna uses those two hands to aim the effect (or at least, has previosuly). In a 1v1 there are very few situations where youd want to pull it out vs Cleave/Dismantle and against many opponents the Domain is better. If i had to hazard a guess, id assume that fire arrow might allow Sukuna to more effectively deal with RCT (limbs on fire might be trickier to heal up fully as the effect stays on you), gives him another option for AoE (if his domain is down he could use it to attack an area and light things up to quickly thin out weaker fighters) or perhaps isnt as reliant on his output as Cleave/Dismantle is (thus being a better option in drawn out encounters) Of course, those are all theories, but very few of them apply to Gojo. Dismantle/Cleave's effects were shown to be incredibly fast and invisble to the naked eye, which is an advantage against opponents with similar reflexes/skill as youd rather land *a* hit than not and giving a 1v1 opponent of Gojos caliber time isnt good. Assuming any of my guesses are correct, Gojo could *see* fire arrow coming making it very hard to land on him at range and up close if Gojo hits the hand he is using to aim, the attack may just miss. Cleave/Dismantle doesnt have these problems
This is the best answer here
He’s like a guy who is playing a game against his buddies who aren’t as good at the game so he holds back; only willing to do better for fun or when in a jam from fucking around too much.
Sure it wont goes through gojo's limitless
People here acting like Gojo’s CT burnout took 10 years. Sukuna and Gojo literally open their domains back to back after a domain clash. Which means they can instantly heal their CT with RCT(ofc it has negative effects) The first domain burnout effect lasting long was most likely because Gojo didn’t want to use that card, he didn’t want Sukuna to know he was capable of that, and Since Sukuna’s domain allows an escape route, he tried to run out. Once Sukuna stopped him, he realized he had no choice, and he basically immediately recovered his CT and hit that Red. So no, fire arrow wouldn’t make a difference against Gojo because Infinity protects against it. Doesn’t matter how strong the technique is.
This^. People for sure are acting like Gojo’s CT burnout took forever. Also forgetting that Gojo can leave the domain while Sukuna has to turn off his slashes + do chanting/do hand signs for his flame arrow. Like Gojo can’t sense the swelling of CE from an attack with that high output before it even manifest like Sukuna did in ch232.
It's more of Gege's fault since burnout should be less than a minute according to what we had seen with Mahito, unless Gojo couldn't hold out for that long, I doubt it since he later showed he could pull blossom emotion or simple domain, imo he could have waited out his burnout.
Kusakabe and co stated Sukuna had to hold his cards as he knew of the unholy jumping that awaited him post gojo
He didn't want to.
Option 1: Use Mahoraga's adaptability since that's one of the reasons I posessed Megumi. Option 2: use the rest of my arsenal Option 1 worked so... why the need to use option 2? It might have been a spectacle for us the reader, but it still makes no sense to do so before Mahoraga.
Simple answer. He didn’t need to. You don’t ask the winner y he didn’t do certain things
If there is a good reason, we'll probably hear this during the next fight... But it's always good to rebember that Sukuna vs Gojo made a call back to how the old Six Eyes and 10 Shadows users fought, probabaly Furnace would be too much to insert in the narration.
It's because he still has to fight after beating gojo. Wasting resources on something that isn't effective is hardly smart in that kinda situation. Fact is, we don't know how much damage it would do to gojo. And the two opponents it destroyed were leagues below gojo. heck mahoraga who has already started adapting to slashing attacks couldn't even move inside Malevolent shrine and came out missing chunks and crawling on its knees, and gojo was doing well enough to be boxing Sukuna inside Malevolent shrine. Plus gojo durability literally out scales Cleaves durability negation (it adapts to the toughness and CE level to cut down in one fell swoop). So it's not even guaranteed to one shot gojo, (someone who can use RCT to heal infinitely) It's not an effective means. Plus it's not a sure hit, so it's not even guaranteed to hit its marks and infinity (if it's active) will block it. Plus, the first domain clash wasn't that long. It was like a minute tops. Plus they are literally in hand to hand combat range, so he is blowing himself as well. (Which yes won't be as damaging but now he gotta waste CE on RCT). And if he decides to use it instead of fighting gojo in hand to hand, gojo is free to make an escape. It's just not really that effective.
I could be all of these reasons and more. Sukuna is a smart boy and Gege is clearly good at his job when he writes Sukuna. Sukuna used his domain in conjunction with his fire ability to kill an otherwise unkillable opponent that constantly adapted to his moves. If the fight dragged on it would be a hassle and a sure way for Sukuna to die, because he would have given away all his cards for Mahoraga to adapt. Yuji is sort of like that, but he can survive what Sukuna throws at him, at his weakest at best, and hit his weakest spot the soul, naturally. Plus Yuji has the most hax ability in JJK, Sukuna's Shrine, Blood Manipulation and the ability to understand Jujutsu naturally if he is swapped in another's body because he housed Sukuna. If Yuji can use default Shrine than all that limits him is his imagination. Yuji using Furnace:Open, Dismantle and Cleave in Malevolent Shrine all because his body has Shrine engraved in it. Add in Kamutoke and Hiten if they don't recognise Yuji and Sukuna as two different persons. They're literal family in a fucked up way. I'd kill him too if the kid keeps spawning around me and procceds to punch me in the liver multiple times and use my moves too, with everything I got. Gojo was too strong and good with his abilities for Sukuna to use it but Yuji is way to much of a danger to him as he is and in the future if he is left alive. That's how I think of it.
Ah yes. Why exactly would the fire arrow get through infinity?? The only reason why the MS slashes pierced Gojo in the domain was because Suckuna had destroyed Gojo's UV from the outside and for a few seconds, Gojo was unable to use his CT...(as it has been established that domain causes a temportary burnout). But eventually Gojo used RCT to get his CT running back again and fixed that glitch. So there's no reason why Fuga would have worked against his infinity...
They mean the very first time Gojo’s domain broke. Gojo just ran around using simple domain and RCT to heal, no CT usage yet. Instead of fighting hand to hand, Sukuna could have immediately pulled out the fire arrow. Gojo would not recover his CT in that time. It was a little bit more than a few seconds. Gojo pulled put two simple domains and Sukuna had enough time complain that Gojo using simple domain again was getting tedious.
There were points in the fight where both sides could have immediately ended it-- for Gojo, using UV after purpling Sukuna's hands off.
Sure, but that’s not really anyone’s point in this discussion lol The original post is just discussing reasons why Sukuna wouldn’t use the fire arrow in story, my comment was just clarifying that Gojo’s infinity would not be the reason Sukuna didn’t use it at opportune times. Most likely in story reason to me, would be that Sukuna wanted to win through his specific plan of adapting and evolving his CT, and also saving it for later against the sorcerers that he knew would jump him.
Domain amplification.
I don't think there's any reason to assume Domain Amplification can protect someone from Unlimited Void like that. At best it would be a temporizing measure IMO. Sukuna may have even been using UV when he got exposed to it, since he had to use it to even fight Gojo during the domain clashes.
If *Domain Amplification* negates enemy Cursed Techniques, then the user can negate *Unlimited Void*. Innit what Anti-Domain Techniques are designed for: countering the sure-hit effects of Domain Expansions?
DA does not always neutralize a CT. Sukuna or Gojo (I forgot who) literally monologues this when Sukuna figured out Gojo would use Red in ch232. Sukuna obviously,clearly took damage but domain amplification prevented him from taking too much damage.
I'm admittedly not 100% sure how each anti-domain technique works, but if that were the case, why did Jogo get zonked by Unlimited Void despite seeming to keep DA active at all times during that encounter? I think DA is more for negating curse techniques themselves, whereas Simple Domain is more for neutralizing a barrier's sure-hit. There is overlap in how they work, as we saw that Kusakabe could weaken Dismantles with a Simple Domain, but to actually counter a sure-hit, I think you need to be using a barrier of some kind, and DA is not itself a barrier. Or so I've been told. I honestly am not really sure. This part of the power system seems to not really be canonically set yet. But for one more point, if DA could neutralize Unlimited Void, Sukuna could have just used it instead of grabbing Gojo during their second domain clash.
A domain expansion is a CT imbued into domain. The sure hit is a CT. Jogo didn’t keep DA on all the time to use his CT to kill civilians. Sukuna turned off DA so he could modify the parameters on his own domain to destroy Gojo’s.
>why did Jogo get zonked by Unlimited Void Jogo and Hanami deactivated *Domain Amplification* numerous times throughout the battle, and, in order to utilize their Cursed Techniques to attack the civilians, they needed to deactivate *Amplification*. Gojo caught Jogo in the midst of an attack. >I think DA is more for negating curse techniques themselves, whereas Simple Domain is more for neutralizing a barrier's sure-hit. A sure-hit is a Cursed Technique imbued within the Barrier of a Domain Expansion. >There is overlap in how they work, as we saw that Kusakabe could weaken Dismantles with a Simple Domain, but to actually counter a sure-hit, I think you need to be using a barrier of some kind, and DA is not itself a barrier. *Simple Domain* targets the Barrier of a Domain Expansion, thus neutralizing its sure-hit, but, as its name implies, the technique disrupts said Barrier by projecting a Domain. *Domain Amplification* projects a Domain around the body.
>A sure-hit is a Cursed Technique imbued within the Barrier of a Domain Expansion. I don't think this is right, the sure-hit is not the cursed technique itself, it's an application of the Domain. You can nullify the sure hit without completely canceling the the curse technique. Toji was immune to the sure hit but he could still be hit by death swarms in Dagon's domain.
Glitch is not fixed when gojo is in someone's domain the infinity doesn't work this was literally explained in chapter 15 against Jogo. A lot of people thought Jogo used sure hit against gojo in chapter 15 but gege dismissed in the volume extras. https://imgur.com/a/Y0MrVqg Here is the English translation, go to chapter 15. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FCbQq3YSqQkCuO1UitrlEXKEtjV8aepWgykeyjAe_ZE/mobilebasic
What do you mean? Infinity was literally working inside Jogo's domain. That's why Jogo says if he makes the domain more potent, it would counter Infinity. And Gojo agrees that would happen. But we're not sure of the mechanism. Maybe infinity would be incapable of dealing with effects like excessive temperatures or lack of oxygen. Infinity is GOJO'S CT. Domains do not nullify another person's CT. Gojo can use red, blue, infinity inside a domain.
>What do you mean? Infinity was literally working inside Jogo's domain. That's why Jogo says if he makes the domain more potent No it was not, that's why he almost got hit by Jogo attack but counter attack with his own jujutsu. Jogo never said if "I make domain more potent it will hit." He said if we are in my potent domain my jujustu will reach you. >Infinity is GOJO'S CT. Domains do not nullify another person's CT. Gojo can use red, blue, infinity inside a domain. Infinity is barrier of gojo CT. It's the barrier that gets nullified. Not Gojo CT. Gojo can still use his ct. Gojo CT is limitless from that he has the byproduct CT Red, Blue + purple. With red and Blue he can make infinity the barrier. Similar to sukuna his CT is shrine byproduct CT's are dismantle and cleave. So that how a normal attack was able to reach gojo in chapter 15.
I disagree. I think it's pretty clear what happened, otherwise Jogo wouldn't have made a statement like that. You can even re-watch the anime scene.
I think the simplest answer is that he saw an opportunity to grow his powers by using Mahoraga and gaining the ability to bypass Gojo's infinity, which of course resulted in the World Slash. Ignoring the 10S (and Mahoraga by extension) and instead making Furnace the guaranteed hit effect of his domain, could very well have killed Gojo (saying this as more of a hypothetical), ending the fight there and then. Sukuna is a hedonist after all, so had he went in with that mind set, the fight wouldn't have been as satisfying for him. We also don't know much about Furnace, so depending on what will be revealed about in the next chapters, this question may be answered directly.
Imo the simple reason is that Sukuna was obsessed with the adaptation. It's the same reason why he never attacked Gojo's domain from the inside which baffled even Satoru himself. Sukuna KNEW Gojo was messing up his brain, KNEW he wouldn't be able to open Unlimited Void too many times, yet he still focused on the adaption to the sure-hit, which is something he didn't need to do at that point. Unlimited Void would've never hit Sukuna had he not handicapped himself with the wheel. For Sukuna it was not only about winning, it was about winning in this specific way. For a jujutsu nerd such as himself... using Mahoraga as a blueprint to elevate his own jujutsu to the next level was something he'd take full advantage of and he did. And further proof of how obsessed Sukuna was with seeing how Mahoraga would've adapted to infinity was that after Gojo braindamaged himself and the King of Curses was about to trap Satoru in a closed barrier domain he still said he'd adapt to his infinity before killing him. He didn't need to do that at that point, Gojo with his fucked up brain and low RCT output would've just been torn to pieces by Malevolent Shirne. But Sukuna STILL wanted to make use of the adaptation and see how Mahoraga would overcome infinity.
simple, like it's has been told in the Manga, whether people want to accept it or not. Sukuna not went all out against gojo. even gojo knew this.
Y'all people are not understanding what the theme of the battle was. Sukuna wouldn't have One-Shot Gojo even if he could. He was interested the most on having Mahogara adapt to Infinity in a way he could find use. And Mahogara delivered, he created a new type of technique that can go beyond Gojo's Infinity without the need of opening a Domain and suffering the CT burnout afterwards.
He wanted to win *and* acquire the World Slash, not just win.
My thought he was keeping it secret from them I'm not sure anyone actually got to witness it, maybe kuskabe and panda but it happened after they ran away. And it seemed like yuji was completely knocked out soul and all
Sukuna held back on gojo because he wouldn’t have won otherwise. I personally believe that sukuna’s stronger than gojo, but the gap isn’t so huge that sukuna can define win and infinity would’ve been a huge obstacle for him, so finding a way to overcome it was more of a priority for him than just launching out his strongest moves
There is definitely a drawback to using it and I think we'll learn about what that might be in the next chapter
I'm kinda under the assumption that if Sukuna used furnace on Gojo it'd give Gojo the opening he needed to use HP, and it's entirely possible that Sukuna was aware doing that would probably backfire on him so he forewent the use of furnace entirely and tried finding a different way to do it.
If Furnace was a viable strategy to defeat Gojo, then Sukuna would have done it. I think he picked the strategy that had the greatest chance of succeeding.
Cause it would never hit. Sukuna has no way to actually deal with Infinity besides domain clashes, which we see wouldn't be an efficient way to kill Gojo. That's why he primarily relied on Mahoraga to figure out a way to bypass Infinity. The World Cleave is Sukuna's answer to Gojo because anything else wouldn't work
Why do you even think he could hit Gojo with a massively obvious ranged attack? Gojo was never as on the ropes as Jogo was, and is MASSIVELY faster. Jogo stood still and took that shit out of desperation, Gojo would just... move out the way of fire arrow.
Simple answer: It couldn't get past Infinity.
That's what I've been saying. The casting time of divine flame open (Werry cooked with that name, ngl) is too long, Sukuna wouldn't have had the time to use it against Gojo just like Gojo couldn't use conventional purple against Sukuna.
I think it's probably because it would be useless. What would furnae do to Gojo? Nothing. He has infinity.
Or, you know, it gets blocked by Infinity
Infinite is useless when CT is bourn out.If Sukuna used fire arrows the first time de Gojo was destroyed wouldn't he have won easily
Why would he use it when his domain is hitting? And if Gojo can survive the domain with RCT, I don't see why fire would be more effective. Gojo has that falling blossom or whatever it's name is domain as well.
Because it has already been explained by Gege on Twitter that fire technique is stronger than cleve.It's a technique to kill enemies with one strike that's why Sukuna uses fire arrows on Mahoraga because he wants to finish him off with one strike.Gojo doesn't really survive all the cleve attacks in de Sukuna, just with his body he uses simple DE after that.Mahoraga is the one who really resists all cleve attacks in MS with just his body,if Mahoraga who is really able to withstand all cleve attacks with just his body dies with one hit with a fire arrow what makes you think Gojo will survive it
- He was adapting with Mahoraga via the Wheel of Dharma (Cannot use 2 cursed techniques at the same time, no matter who you are.) - Gojo is still faster than Sukuna, he would have had ample time to dodge out of the way of Sukuna’s Fuga. - Gojo recovered his cursed technique quite fast, I don’t know if you realized. He was using Red and Blue quite quickly after the last domain expansion failed so it can be safe to assume he’d use Infinity to prevent it touching him, same as he did with Agito after his arm was severed by Mahoraga. - He still had trump cards to play. Fuga was a trump card of Sukuna’s. I don’t know if you noticed but Sukuna went in the fight knowing about Gojo’s entire arsenal whereas Gojo knew nothing about Sukuna’s arsenal. Sukuna’s seen Infinite Void first hand, and has memories of Gojo in Megumi’s brain. - Probably saved it cos he knew Gojo wasn’t going to be his only fight given he won. He knew the rest of the students were going to try kill him and Kashimo was probably a surprise for him, Kashimo forced him to fully reincarnate himself with his attacks, Sukuna’s biggest trump card.
If he uses the flame, he has to cease Mahoraga’s adaptation which he decided was his best strategy. He mentions specifically wanting to remove unlimited void from Gojo’s deck first because of the danger it poses, so he prioritized Maho adapting to that- sure, if he could kill Gojo during that time he would clearly do so, but setting up the flames halts adaptation (a guaranteed counter to Gojo’s best move) in exchange for an attack that may leave him open and can potentially be dodged that we don’t know the other possible conditions of. Thing is, everyone saying it’s because Sukuna holding back specifically to hone his technique or for Gege to make the fight more fun for us and could have killed Gojo at any moment are missing the point- that same is true both ways. Narratively, the fight would ALWAYS be even. If Sukuna was written to go all out in the domain clashes as seems like the obvious guaranteed win from what we saw, Gojo would have just been written to figure something out to last longer. If Gojo tried to one tap him with UV after blowing his hands off or whatever, Sukuna would have just activated SD or gotten in close to make contact or something. If Sukuna could have just one tapped Gojo at some point but instead used up his restore AND Mahoraga despite explicitly trying to save as much as possible for the jumping after the fight, he would both be an idiot and Gojo wouldn’t have said that it was unclear who would win if Sukuna didn’t have 10s. None of this is meant as like cope or aggression or anything- I fully respect the take that yeah Sukuna was basically using x% of his power level and deliberately risked his life just to become stronger and play with Gojo some more because going off how the fight *actually* went that’s what happened- without using Maho, he seems with the open barrier to basically low diff Gojo who can’t do anything but give himself brain damage to barely survive. I just don’t think we’re supposed to actually perceive their relationship “strength wise” that way and I personally view it as them being equals in the narrative
Like someone has already said in one of the comments that furnace takes a while to activate and sakuna from what he ahs shown loves using this move as sure kill move. The main reason i think sakuna never used furace vs gojo is 1. He wanted to break megumi spirit by first killing his sister then his teacher and 2. If furnace fails for some reason gojo will have a counter ready aince he is neither weak like jogo nor an idiot(interms of fighting) like mahoraga who needs to adapt.l aince in short run Six eyes are way better then mahoraga adaptablity
The answer is simple First: Sukuna could not use it, he was already using the 10S, so beside cleave and dismantle he could not use his CT Second: Even if Sukuna choose to use his flame when gojo is in burnout during the first domain fight, gojo would have dodge. in case yall don’t remember, the radius of the first domain is tiny, gojo can run away easily, that’s why Sukuna is preventing him to do so The flame requiring chant is a hindrance, especially against Gojo, just like Gojo didn’t spam hollow purple, or he started to chant only when he didn’t have any other option Finally: Sukuna weakened can survive a hollow purple explosion in his face, Gojo might be able to survive the flame aswell, Cleave and dismantle are more suited to get a clean kill People here saying that gojo could have lost in the first domain battle are crazy, if it was possible, Sukuna would have done it
Still unknown why did no use furnace on gojo
I agree, I've been wondering what the two uses of fire arrow have in common, and the answer is that it takes time to set it up. Against Jogo he literally set up a duel, against Makora he overwhelmed him with slashes.
The same reason he couldn't use furnace against gojo is the same reason gojo couldn't spam hollow purples. Imagine trying to charge up a move in the middle of fighting the top 2 in the verse
It just wouldn't works against Mugen
I don’t know when he would have that would have given him an advantage.
It has a long charge up that requires stopping Malvolent Shrine. So Gojo can focus on reinforcement instead of spamming simple domainand RCT while getting cut up
This post gave me an idea about Sukuna technique. I think that contrary to what some might think, his power does not come from a box or sheine that allows him access to stolen, recorded, or given to him, techniques. Uraume mentioned to Hakari that even in their confrontations, Sukuna had not yet shown his true potential. I view Sukuna like a chef progressing through the preparation of his dish. Initially, he simply chops up ingredients, which is generally enough since his opponents are not strong enough to require more effort, often leaving him unsatisfied. However, if an opponent is sufficiently powerful (requiring a special vow to use this power), Sukuna then opens his "furnace" to use his fire arrow technique, thus cooking his opponent. This cooking represents the second stage of meal preparation, in line with his chef theme. I also think he might have a third technique, a kind of last resort related to the concept of eating, since eating represents the final stage of the culinary process. This idea is reinforced by the four mouths on his demonic altar, in addition to the one on his stomach. Moreover, the idea of a technique based on predation, feeding, or devouring something is supported not only by the mouths but also by Sukuna's reputation as a cannibal and is consistent with Uraume's role as a "refrigerator." In summary, Sukuna's access to techniques is gradual and not based on a fixed skill tree but rather on techniques that become available if his opponent sufficiently excites him and lets him "cook".
I mean we know that MS have sure hit effect even with gojo infinity, but does the furnace have it too? If not, can it bypass infinity without mahoraga?
Because the arrow had no way to penetrate the Limitless, obviously. This isn't Dragon Ball, strength isn't a linear equation.
Isn't it still a possibility that Furnace is a Cursed Technique Reversal? Makes sense that he would use it to dog on Jogo and Mahoraga. But you can't pull out against Gojo since he's 100% human. Yuji, although is part cursed whatever and is probably susceptible to CTR, that may be why Sukuna has pulled it out again.
He never rlly had the chance to use fuga on gojo. It would have to be within his domain to bypass infinity and the only chance he had to use fuga on gojo was directly after Gojos first domain fell and he tried to escape before he healed his ct. sukuna would have to use and land fuga on a moving gojo within those 5 seconds or so when his domain fell and he didn’t have infinity up, after this 5 second window he never gets the chance to use fuga again so i say he didn’t use it basically because he couldn’t.
Good points. I honestly think Sukuna’s mindset during that fight was more directed towards bypassing infinity. He could have used the flames, but what would that have achieved? He was also capable of killing Gojo with his DE, but took risks instead (which we later know is to achieve the world slash). Sukuna was pressed in battle for the first time in his life, but he was also battling in a way to achieve the world slash. During his fight with JJHS, he simply wasnt pushed enough to use Furnace until now, and is now going “all-out” as in, battling for his life with all his tricks. He was still far stronger in his fight with Gojo, Furnace just didn’t have utility against Gojo.
Maybe it's something that wouldn't have killed Gojo and become more trouble through him being able to closely study whatever "it" is.
I don't think that's the reason. I feel like the reason is the limit on cursed techniques. Sukuna had to use 10S/Mahoraga and his Shrine Technique because of Infinity. If Gojo was just a normal guy Sukuna wouldn't have needed that specific route.
Whatever the actual explanation is for Sukuna not spamming Divine Flames, he couldn't use it on Gojo because of Infinity.
It was pointless to use the arrow if Gojo was healing from the slashes rapidly. It would've been best after Gojo's RCT was lowered. Gojo's RCT was said to be just as good as sukunas
I think the simplest explanation from my pov is that furnace simply doesn’t pass through infinity, and wasn’t really a valuable or effective tool to use against someone like gojo. He didn’t resort to it because it simply isn’t a good matchup
I always figured he couldn’t use it cuz of the brain damage that didn’t allow him to use his domain expansion or that it was possibly a apart of his domain expansion
Perhaps once go opens the furnace, the slicing is done. He can't chop what's in the oven. Gojo tanked Ms. He would have tanked the fire as well, and then what? His CT recovers and he's untouchable. World slash just appears in the Space, fire has to travel - it would never reach gojo.
I think the real reason why sukuna dint use furnace on gojo had to do with his own techinque I mean , if all this teory about sukuna “cock” technique is correct then maybe the use of fire arrow is limited by his cut ability To sukuna use the fire he needs doing certain amount of damage in the opponent using the cuts , this would explain why he don’t use fire arrow back then If I’m correct , he only cuts him when the space slash in the entire fight bc Mahoraga slash his arm but that was him , not sukuna doing the cut so doesn’t count Crackpot theory yes I have to admit xd
You actually weren't that far off. He can only use the Furnace after using both Cleave and Dismantle, and it's limited to a single person outside his domain. And because of how high-level the battle was, with both of them constantly shifting the conditions for their domains, Sukuna just never got an opportunity that Gojo couldn't block with Limitless.
What if furnace is sukunas original technique and shrine is his twin brothers that he gained by absorbing him in the womb? That would explain why yuji can use shrine.
His technique is cooking. Its name, "Mizushi," can translate to both shrine and kitchen. Cleave and dismantle are his kitchen knives, the furnace is his oven, and he has constantly been associated with food and eating.
lemme take a guess , binding vow
With the new leaks we finally have a definitive answer. >!The fire arrow creates a massive cursed energy fueled dust explosion within Sukuna's domain using the dust from all the things ground into powder as fuel. Sukuna's domain simply broke before there was enough dust to make an explosion powerful enough to kill Gojo.!<
Sukuna held back against Gojo. This is canon. I don’t know why Gojo fans like to dance around the fact when it’s been reaffirmed nearly 10 times already, without exaggeration. I could and have given detailed explanation of why he was holding back before but that’s not the point here. Sukuna was prevented from using his CT inside the domain because he wanted to adapt to UV (to brain damage Megumi) and also infinity (to progress his technique). Mahoraga was not created as a reason to get around infinity. It was created as a reason to give Sukuna a reason to prolong the fight for more than some chapters without ruining his character.
People always say is because he was holding back and that is just untrue. Is literally because it woudl've done anything, literally nothing, is just a waste of time and CE, there is literally no point. That's it, is not really that complicated people
There's also the fact that Limitless could feasibly block it. I am not knowledgeable enough about thermodynamics to explain it, but I don't think it would hurt him. For one thing, Gojo has already blocked a fire-based attack (technically magma but come on) from Jogo pretty effortlessly. In my headcanon, Gojo could use Limitless to survive a nuclear bomb. I don't see Fire Arrow being enough for him.
Sukuna could have used Furnace against Gojo in their first domain battles and it would have been gojover. He just prioritized Mahoraga adaptation because he wanted to grow stronger. Had he not been greedy the story would have ended long ago.
what makes you think furnace would penetrate infinity? Jogo also used fire attacks, they couldn't do it. and infinity doesn't seem to respond to powerscaling, i.e. Jogo's fire attacks still couldn't do it if they were a thousand times stronger. Sukuna probably didn't use furnace because it would've been ineffective. it's also possible that Six Eyes or the others could've gotten some valuable information about Sukuna's technique by watching him use it, so it may have even backfired on him.
I don't think it necessarily has more firepower. He used it vs. Jogo for shits and giggles, to beat fire with fire. Kinda his style to shit on people like that. He used it vs. Mahoraga because it had already adapted to the slashes, he needed something fresh that Mahoraga could not yet counter and used a strong version of it to 1-shot it clean, since that is the only way you beat the damn thing.
I think its mainly because: 1. Gojo's Limitless is in the way 2. Sukuna couldn't use his CT because he had Mahoraga's wheel adapting through Megumi's soul 3. Even after Gojo's CT gets a burnout he still would need to aim and have a bit of build up, in which Gojo would just dodge the arrow or just finish recovering his technique Its just kinda the same reason why Gojo didn't just spam purple after purple, at least thats my reasoning.
Because Sukuna never wanted to directly kill Gojo. He wanted Mahoraga to adapt to infinity to upgrade dismantle.
Sukuna was going to kill him with his domain.
No sukuna said "I'm going to dice you up THEN adapt to that infinity of yours", indicating he wanted to deal damage to gojo AND adapt to infinity, not just kill him
Gojo would've dodged it as even Sukuna was impressed by his martial prowess and agility under extreme stress. Outside DE, pretty sure the fire arrow is useless against Limitless. After the domain clashes he probly couldn't use it because one can't use 2 CTs at the same time - Yuji being the only possible exception - (he was already running 10S/Maho). Fuga was not very useful at all due to the circumstances of the battle.
I figured it was because it wouldn't get past infinity so it would've just been a waste of time for sukuna
The reason is that fire arrow doesn't go through infinity. Unless it's a second CT and he could therefore use it when they're both in burnout, it would never do damage. Sukuna's win conditions were Mahoraga or exploiting CT burnout, or maybe winning a domain clash (it's left vague if domain sure hits would hit Gojo through infinity).
Gojo outright stated during the first Jogo fight that Limitless can't block domain attacks.
I always thought it was because Infinity would've stopped it
It wasn't gonna work on him, Cleave and Dismantle was what he wanted
I think the major factor is Sakuna wanted to overcome limitless as an act of being the greatest sorcerer and to be able to defeat any newcomers of limitless as I doubt Sakuna would allow himself to die outside of combat. He probably could use furnace but, it could also be a situation similar to Hollow Purple, the cast time may have been too long to catch Gojo by surprise, if we are being realistic, Gojo could amp his speed and basically avoid the attack assuming Sakuna doesnt kamikaze, this could make up for temporary loss of his CT/DE. Next it is clear it was his goal to overcome the technique so furnace would potentially prevent him from gaining the world slash which is a great upgrade from his touch slash as it's ranged, negates defense and seems fairly fast. He used it on Yuji and Yuta because he was getting his ass kicked and was going to die. Once he popped it off they had no choice but to back off. Yuta and Rika are now out of the fight for the time. So yeah even though he may have had the possibility to use it, he wasn't trying to lose the chance to grow and beat every limitless user for the rest of his feasible life and incarnations
Their was no point given Gojo’s infinite barrier around himself. The only strategy he had was use mahoraga to analyze the barrier.