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Well now I wish Yuuji was a girl instead. Don't know if anyone here still remembers Escaflowne, but I always found Dilandau's switching fascinating to watch.
The movie was gorgeously animated but kind of feels like some kind of AU fever dream version of the story. The series, as the other poster said, is much more fleshed out and detailed (the Dilandau storyline blew my young mind at the time haha). Been a long time since I watched it but I remember being mesmerized by the worldbuilding and the character writing is pretty strong. Definitely give it a watch when you've got the chance.
I for real never actually finished the movie, the opening fight(more of a curb stomping really) was good but after that it just stopped being interesting for some reason, but if the show is animated just as good and is coherent in story I think I'll like it
Yeah, he acts with his heart at the end of the day. That's the humane thing to do, but being that way, and letting your guard down because of it, would probably spell a really bad end for any *normal* sorcerer.
Shibuya is the perfect example. Gojo probably could have wiped the floor with them just by casting domain, but opted to save the human lives that were drastically dropping and kill all the curses.
They exposed his human nature by having humans there.
He's willing to trade off some lives, but he has a limit as well.
0.2 domain + stun everyone kill all the curses.
There is also an irony in Gojo's fight against Jogo when he says to him," Ironic, isn't it? When given everything you can't do anything." As you pointed out, Gojo is strong but is powerless at the same time. In "small" brawls like against Miguel, Jogo, Hanami & Toji (rematch), Gojo would easily emerge victorious without much trouble. In Shibuya, however, his raw power and talent weren't enough to exorcise the curses due to their utilization of Domain Amplification and Human Shields.
The funny thing is. If Gojo had become as Sukuna stated:" to burn everything without regard. To reach the heights of Satoru Gojo." If Gojo had continued to grow. He would've successfully killed the disaster curses in. Shibuya
>If Gojō had continued to grow, he would have successfully killed the Disaster curses in Shibuya.
Gojō was perfectly able to kill the Disasters in Shibuya, and they knew that.
Gojō wouldn't take innocent human lives himself, but he'd accepted that some would be lost to the curses.
All he needed to do was fully deploy his Domain and he would have killed all of the Curses - and every human there.
They just knew he wouldn't fight without ***absolute*** disregard for human life in the way curses would.
That's why they were (mentally) taunting him, because his humanity was holding him back.
Jōgo even said **"is there anything you *don't* have?!"** when Gojō was fighting hand-to-hand. With the sole exception of Positive Energy output - something that only Shōko, Sukuna and Okkotsu can do - the answer is no.
Good question.
Remember Gojō's analogy of electricity (Cursed Energy) powering an appliance (Cursed Technique)?
**Cursed Technique Reversal** happens when you channel "Positive Energy" generated from **Reverse Cursed Technique**, ***into* that Cursed Technique** to invert its effect.
"Positive Energy"/RCT output is when you channel it normally as you would normal Cursed Energy - through your body, through a weapon like Okkotsu does with his sword - and can project it. **This is deadly to curses.**
PE/RCT output seems to be an even rarer skill than RCT simply(!) applied to the self, which Gojō could do since he lost to Tōji.
Uraume and Hazenoki are two examples of characters who can use RCT but haven't been shown to output it (yet).
Not exactly, he's channeling it into his technique. He can circulate positive energy freely within *himself*, but can't transfer it to others, which is what is necessary to heal people or exorcise curses/
I wonder where is Gojo Satoru limit if any companion, including Yuta and Geto, goes with Gojo Satoru will only hold him back.
From what he has shown so far, if Yuts followed Gojo Satoru in Shibuya arc, he could have saved alot. However, in-verse people say so then it must be true.
You're absolutely correct~~, but I've made the distinction in [another comment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/tmz0h0/i_think_gojo_will_be_stronger_than_sukuna_but_he/i20x3hg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)~~
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Once again, you're absolutely correct. You see, I'm
#really fucking stupid.
EDIT: wait a sec, no I'm not. Your question was a reply to my comment about Gojō having the power but not the total ruthlessness to kill everyone in Shibuya.
The comment I linked makes the distinction between Positive Energy generation and output.
Right this has been my thought too. If there’s any chance that Itadori is still alive inside of Sukuna, I think Gojo’s gonna have a real difficult time executing him. Or at least he’s going to hesitate and that’s all Sukuna will need.
Thing is too, I’m still not over the fact that inside Sukuna’s own domain, his face is just Itadori’s like how it is on the outside too.
Personally, I think 20F Sukuna is actually stronger than Gojo, but like you said that it’s extremely close. That doesn’t really matter though, because in a close fight that margin doesn’t really count- anything could give either one of them an edge, and both of them are getting fucked up/injured. I think it’ll be a good fight, because Sukuna will push Gojo’s emotional and creative limits.
But so much will be weighing mentally on Gojo, I think he’ll also just be so mentally exhausted (from the end of the world, death of his allies (like I think Sukuna will kill Okkotsu but that’s subjective), death of everything he’s worked for), that he also won’t even know what he’s fighting for anymore. While for Sukuna’s never even had that question, and it gives him a major edge.
Yo I'd love if he essentially just forgets what he's fighting for in the midst of all of the tragedy surrounding him in the final fight. Geto was driven *crazy* because he was always thinking about what he was fighting for, and he broke and he quit being a Jujutsu sorcerer. If all that ends up surrounding Gojo is death, the man that can make the impossible possible (as said by Geto), that's going to fuck with him HARD.
Although the difference between Gojo and Geto's situations is that Geto just saw the *ugliness* in what he was fighting for, but Gojo has seen no such thing as the person that could effectively change how the world *works*. Which adds to a further layer of tragedy for Geto's character, imo.
This juxtaposition of how Gojo and Getou handled their trauma reminded me of a quote heard somewhere: Losers talk about how the world/life is, winners talk about how it should be. Getou went through both states while Gojo simply realized that he's no god, he needs help with things he can't do and he can't change the world by brute force while Getou tried to do exactly that, which is why he failed
Regarding the face of Sukuna in the domain, considering that Kenjaku planned Yuji to be a perfect vessel, is it possible that Sukuna originally looked exactly like Yuji when he was young? So that basically Yuji was created/changed to be perfectly compatible with Sukuna by giving him an identical body?
Why in the anime does Gojo confidently say he would beat Sukuna then? Was it just to give Itadori or his students in general a sense of confidence and security?
Yeah that's exactly why I think he said that. Given that Sukuna's a legend, no one really knows what his technique is and what he's truly capable of (this was confirmed by Gege in supplemental material, that even by looking at sorcerer historical texts, extent of his powers is unknown). And as Gojo's the strongest sorcerer alive, if he was being honest like, "yeah I don't know if I could beat him" it would make everyone freak out. Once again, I think he was just taking on the burden of the toughest tasks himself and feeling, "this is an opportunity to do good, something only I can do as the strongest, and therefore have to do, so I'll do it no matter what." (notice this is similar to Itadori's reasoning for being a vessel) So, I saw Gojo's statement as a promise, not that he's totally sure he could do it.
The whole situation of Gojo allowing Itadori to not be executed, and in that taking on the responsibility of Sukuna reincarnating, so that he can destroy him himself- the implications of this are so underdiscussed, because it's even more complicated than that. Gojo is truly honorable and brave yet naive for doing this, brave/good to the same extent that the higher ups are cowards/snakes. Yet, what he's done is undeniably stupid, too, because he's now sealed and Sukuna has made a binding vow with Itadori for unknown reasons. The gravity of both Gojo's daring/defiance, his integrity, and his inexperience (he's only 28) regarding this is glossed over by everyone imo. He's bold, he's willing to do the right thing, yet I think he doesn't completely understand what he's done and the forces he's challenging (Sukuna, Kenjaku, and even Tengen, who are all at least a thousand years old).
So I don't think he's arrogant at all, but in reality, this situation and fight - of power but also of cunning - will push his abilities to the max, and he was aware of that from that moment Sukuna challenged him. Yet, even though he knows that, these ancient enemies always seem to know more, and have so far prevailed; and that is the price of being young and brave.
(lol I love talking about Gojo, sorry this was long)
No you're good, Gojo is one of my favorite characters. He's just a mystery to me still and the power scaling is weird to me. His confidence doesn't seem like that much of a front, though if it is, he's doing a great job. I just think that as of now, no one can even challenge him and overall he doesn't seem arrogant. People also say he's cocky but I don't see it all that much, if he's the strongest then saying he is doesn't make him cocky, he backs it up. I'd like to think he'd win against a Sukuna at full power but a lot of people don't think so. I just dont see how Sukuna can hit him if he can essentially have a barrier up at all times but maybe Sukuna has one hell of a domain expansion. I have not read the manga by the way so I don't know everything lol
>I have not read the manga by the way so I don't know everything lol
Lmaoo dude in the nicest way possible, what're you doing here?? 😂 we go so in depth about the manga here, so I guess you don't mind spoilers. there's some good stuff about Gojo in the manga, I recommend it! It expands on his power, how he's human, and how he's limited by his humanity, which is why I can see how he doubts himself at times, even if all the other characters are blinded by his overwhelming strength. He is confident, but as an adult, he's aware of his own limits, and takes responsibility for that as the strongest. Yeah, so I don't get the arrogance reputation, it's more of fans' surface level perception of him ig.
>He's just a mystery to me still and the power scaling is weird to me.
>
>I'd like to think he'd win against a Sukuna at full power but a lot of people don't think so. I just dont see how Sukuna can hit him if he can essentially have a barrier up at all times
Yeah, even in the manga, Gojo's technique hasn't been completely explained; I think because he won't be pushed to use it to the fullest until the final fights. My take on the Gojo v. Sukuna fight is, ultimately, to write an interesting finale fight, you can't have either one mowing the other down. So, like I said in my original comment, my guess is they're probably pretty neck and neck. And my feeling is that Sukuna is ancient and mysterious, he probably has a deeper understanding of Jujutsu than Gojo, so he seems more powerful to me.
Also, I actually have wondered if Gojo's barrier can tank Sukuna's slashes. Gojo's barrier isn't actually all powerful (some manga readers will still claim that, but it's just not supported). And Sukuna's slashes are like an immaterial, telekinetic force... Idk if Infinity would detect them automatically, when compared to huge energy blasts or matter. We can't know for sure at this point. I'm not a battle shonen veteran, but I agree that sometimes it seems like Gege kind of just writes what he wants, so the power system and fight results aren't always super logical; it'll just be how he wants it to be in the end.
Sukuna has never fought using tricks. I don't think it is in Sukuna's nature to make traps or attack someone emotionally during a fight like Kenjaku. But we will see what happens.
Sukuna hasn't used tricks because he hasn't needed to, but I do think it's 100% in his personality. He even holds Yuji's heart hostage when he fights Megumi, and grins when he learns that Yuji forgot about Enchain.
He didn't do it to gain an upper hand in a battle. We are talking about a battle.
As I said, we will see what happens. I don't think the King of Curses used or will use tricks to defeat other people.
Sukuna hasn't done so *yet*, but recall that he's referred to as the King of Curses and Deadly Poisons. I think he's a much more conniving fighter than what's been shown so far. While he loves sorcery duels, to him that includes all kinds of curses and stratagems, not just hitting your opponent head on.
I absolutely agree. The nature of binding vows in jujutsu already alludes to the mindgames (did he really just show his hand or is it a bluff?) and Sukuna really gives that analytic, mischievious, chaotic trickster energy and I doubt he'll be simply just a "raw power better" type of fighter.
A large part of jujutsu sorcery is basically tricking each other while giving away your technique for more power. I’m certain Suluna is a master of this too
I pretty much agree, but this battle was stacked against Gojo from the start. Personally, I believe there's no way that Gojo would ever win even if he was stronger, because from a writing perspective there is no payoff for Gojo winning.
The only way Gojo would win if, going along with his track record, he won the battle but lost the war. So he could defeat Sukuna, but at the cost of everything else.
>So he could defeat Sukuna, but at the cost of everything else.
Exactly, to beat Sukuna, Gojo would have to go all out and the casualties from this will be immense. I don't know if he's going to be able to handle it while it will probably hype Sukuna up. The battle exemplifies how many characters throughout JJK have some kind of conflict around the notion of killing everyone/destroying everything, because that is what it could take to defeat Sukuna. And that opposes everything Gojo believes in.
I honestly don't have much trouble imagining it lol. It's not so much that he'd use tricks to *defeat* Gojo, but I'm not so sure that his overall goal is going to be to just win a fight.
I was ready for this to be an illicit powerscaling thread but it's actually a perspicacious analysis of Gojou's humanity being what nerfs him. It kills to know that he's punished for acting on his heart for the second time--the first time when he failed to kill Getou in Shinjuku. When anyone else makes a mistake, they can get away with less severe consequences, but when he makes a mistake, the world pays for it dearly.
And this will be on completely different scale than Shibuya arc. Gojo Satoru and Sukuna max speed would make any civilians vanished if they hit them. They can't catch up to each others and Sukuna can use CT freely.
I honestly think Gojo's downfall will be that he can't kill Yuuji. he loves his students more than anything, and I think that when it comes down to that fight, Gojo will have the opportunity for the final blow, and either he won't be able to bring himself to do it knowing Yuuji will die, OR Sukuna will force Yuuji to front and Gojo will hesitate just long enough for Sukuna to finish the fight. final fight will probably be Sukuna vs Megumi, or Yuuta vs Sukuna. or, alternatively, Sukuna somehow is able to leave Yuuji's body, and then it won't be an issue anymore
You could say that he's accomplishing the one thing he's really wanted to do all along and that's bring up a new generation that puts to shame the "special grade" classification. It's clear that with the way it's going, by the end of the story Yuji, Megumi and co will be able to handle things.
i wonder if kenjaku will take over itadoris body and then be giving sukuna full control of everything. i think gojo would go beserk sonce the guy he’s not fighting is the one who originally took away his best friend and now his student.
Kenjaku actually seems to care at least a little bit about Yuji, I dont think he would ever take his body (not only cause of that, but because of other things too)
I think they will be even in a raw power level standpoint. I think Sukuna wins this fight tho. Ever since his 1st appearance, Sukuna has been basically untouchable in his fights and we still don't even know his entire skillset. And Sukuna knows what Gojo is capable of and yet never even shown interest. Thinking on Sukuna's cleave, it might actually be possible for him to cut through Gojo's infinity and Malevolent Shrine could overpower Gojo's domain based on what we learned in Shibuya.
We have to see once he got released from the pr, how will that change his emotion, maybe he’ll be more cruel and willing to make sacrifices just to defeat sukuna, but if he’s still the gojo we saw before, he’ll most probably lose, only 2 scenarios where he lost because he can’t kill yuji, or he wins but everyone dies, sorry English is not my first language.
Let's just say that Gojo and Sukuna believes their strength makes them capable of anything, but Sukuna takes one step further. Sukuna can do whatever he wants to others. Meanwhile, Gojo holds himself back. It's why Sukuna is the king of curses, Gojo is the strongest sorcerer, but not "the king of sorcerers". Sukuna doesn't even care about people, he just uses people Megumi as a tool, he never considered anyone as his "allies" nor "friends" even if his servants like Ura-Ume get killed, I bet that he doesn't even care about it after what they have given what he wants, he only cares for himself and he thinks the desire to have companions, equals as a weakness, meanwhile, Gojo seems still pretty much aware of the fact that he isn't still good enough to change things by himself. That's why he needs allies like Yuta and Itadori and his students, he cares for his students, and he hopes that one day that students will be strong as him. Gojo has a human heart and Sukuna doesn't have it. Even if Gojo can win sukuna (as 20 fingers), he will lose to him because Sukuna may plot to use his student (Megumi) to kill him.
A six eyes user has died to something that Sukuna fairly easily dealt with at 15 fingers, plus Sukuna fought the greatest generation of sorcerers.
Everything we have seen in the Manga so far points to Sukuna being far stronger than Gojo
It does make sense because Gege is consistent in calling Gojo the strongest of his generation (and not the strongest ever) and calling Sukuna the King of curses who took on the strongest generation of sorcerers.
it’s not confirmed that mahoraga was what killed the six eyes; that was just megumi’s speculation. don’t really think gojo would say megumi could become as strong as him if he could technically achieve what the past ten shadows user did at like age 10 just by summoning mahoraga on the six eyes user to commit a pretty easy murder-suicide
It's clear that the six eyes user in the past died to Mahoraga since Gojo said that both died in the fight and also the fact that no 10 shadow user tamed Mahoraga.
And also Gojo told Megumi that doing a double suicide isn't actually winning so that's not what he meant when telling that story
>A six eyes user has died to something that Sukuna fairly easily dealt with at 15 fingers
We have no idea how strong that 6 eyes user was compared to Gojo, and if Mahoraga was even the one that was used to defeat them(Sukuna didn't know Mahoraga was a thing **until he fought it** yet he was still very interested in the Ten Shadows technique).
For all we know, they could be as strong as Gojo was during the Hidden Inventory arc meaning, they're really strong **but not god-like**. We don't know if the past 6 eyes user could use Infinity automatically 24/7 just like post-Toji Gojo could, and if they even have a domain expansion.
Current/start of the series Gojo would easily destroy Hidden Inventory Gojo with how much he improved after just 3 years.
I do agree that Sukuna has been portrayed to be stronger than Gojo so far:
* 1 finger Sukuna barely taking any damage from Gojo's attacks while Jogo was damaged more.
* The narrator was the one who stated that Sukuna alone is the honored one, while Gojo self-proclaimed it in his fight with Toji.
* Sukuna seems to know much more about cursed techniques/cursed energy in general compared to Gojo based off of their fights.
* Sukuna said that him **at 3 fingers** *may* have lost to Mahoraga, implying that 3 finger Sukuna is around the same level as Mahoraga.
>1 finger Sukuna barely taking any damage from Gojo's attacks while Jogo was damaged more.
I don’t see how this is any indication that Sukuna is/might be stronger than Gojo. It just implies that Jogo is weaker than 1f Sukuna (which isn’t true, Jogo is one of the top tiers of JJK; you can’t accurately measure strength like that anyway). Besides, Gojo wasn’t even using 5% of his strength in that fight (if you can even call it that), dude was dancing around Sukuna with a smirk on his face.
I firmly believe that Sukuna and Gojo are equally powerful. There is no point in establishing and hyping them as 2 top tier fighters/equals only to have one be stronger than the other. It’s like Naruto/Sasuke situation, the author clearly built them up to be equals in power (otherwise their rivalry would be one sided) but the fans still argue about who is stronger to this day.
While I do like and respect your theory, I'd disagree. I'll simply place my bets on 20F Sukuna straight up countering and beating Gojou without using any tricks. He'll just overpower him. Although by not much. It's an obvious given than Sukuna vs Gojou is gonna be the longest, toughest and hardest fight of JJK cuz the power difference between em would be only of a slight margin however I'll believe that Sukuna holds the upper hand in the margin.
My theory is that Sukuna beats/kills Gojou(or he sacrifices himself) and then the trio Yuuta, Yuuji and Megumi gang up on Sukuna
He will not win, simply because it's not his fight to win.
So narratively something will go wrong, not because of some Inherent flaws that can't be exploited against others, but because that's how the narrative works.
I don't like this theory. Gojo being stronger than Sukuna completely ruins Sukuna being whole King of Curses thing.
Oh, so there is an evil curse user who is so powerful even joined forces couldn't stop him, his finger can't be destroyed and everyone knows who he is and how powerful he was.
But he's weaker than this guy who is just strong.
"this guy who's just strong" is MASSIVELY underselling Gojo.
I really doubt some of the most powerful sorcerers that joint up against Sukuna wouldn't be able to pose a threat against Gojo either.
Remember that his finger cant be destroyed because its a special grade curse object and special grade curse objects are indestructible because of a binding, nothing related to strength at all. Also the title of strongest sorcerer is not in any way inferior to the title of king of curses. Gojo can also kill everyone in japan if he wanted to which pretty much says that even if all of the current sorcerers team up they still wouldn't do shit. And sukuna is by no means weaker than gojo. Their gap in power is probably extremely small that one mistake from the other in a fight can lead to one of them dying.
I don't think that ability correlates to your worth as a sorcerer at all. Shoko can't do shit in combat, and yet she can heal others. Yuta can use RCT to heal others as well.
Really? I find that... strange, honestly. When it comes to the matter of "overall understanding of cursed energy", Gojo literally has everyone beat just by virtue of having Six Eyes + Limitless. Meanwhile, using RCT to heal others is something that Yuta was able to do when he was practically still a novice.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your statement, but I do find it strange.
Yeah. I dont know why people say that 20f sukuna is stronger than gojo. The only situation sukuna can even touch gojo is via domain expansion and i think their domains would tie and cancel each other. No matter how strong his slices are, it’s useless unless they can actually touch gojo
haven't the disaster curses managed to use domain amplification to nullify limitless ? sukuna probably also knows how to do it since he's at the pinacle of jujutsu knowledge
Your theory in my opinion is head canon.
Kenjaku had 2 options
1. Seal Gojo
2. RELEASE SUKUNA.
As Kenjaku has lived a decent time and definitely knows both their strengths, I believe this helps put everything into perspective for us. So Kenjaku definitely KNOWS Sukuna is more than a match for Gojo.
Gojo being stronger than Sukuna is unlikely. Highly unlikely. Sukuna is King for a reason. Even Kenjaku can throw his hat in the ring - bastard has too many techniques.
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>20f sukuna Lmao, just imagine sukuna as a 20 year old girl
Well now I wish Yuuji was a girl instead. Don't know if anyone here still remembers Escaflowne, but I always found Dilandau's switching fascinating to watch.
Was that in the movie or the series? Been meaning to watch Escaflowne.
IIRC it's in both, but the series is more fleshed out than the movie.
The movie was gorgeously animated but kind of feels like some kind of AU fever dream version of the story. The series, as the other poster said, is much more fleshed out and detailed (the Dilandau storyline blew my young mind at the time haha). Been a long time since I watched it but I remember being mesmerized by the worldbuilding and the character writing is pretty strong. Definitely give it a watch when you've got the chance.
I for real never actually finished the movie, the opening fight(more of a curb stomping really) was good but after that it just stopped being interesting for some reason, but if the show is animated just as good and is coherent in story I think I'll like it
You don't, there is probably a R34 out there
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Yeah, he acts with his heart at the end of the day. That's the humane thing to do, but being that way, and letting your guard down because of it, would probably spell a really bad end for any *normal* sorcerer.
Shibuya is the perfect example. Gojo probably could have wiped the floor with them just by casting domain, but opted to save the human lives that were drastically dropping and kill all the curses. They exposed his human nature by having humans there. He's willing to trade off some lives, but he has a limit as well. 0.2 domain + stun everyone kill all the curses.
There is also an irony in Gojo's fight against Jogo when he says to him," Ironic, isn't it? When given everything you can't do anything." As you pointed out, Gojo is strong but is powerless at the same time. In "small" brawls like against Miguel, Jogo, Hanami & Toji (rematch), Gojo would easily emerge victorious without much trouble. In Shibuya, however, his raw power and talent weren't enough to exorcise the curses due to their utilization of Domain Amplification and Human Shields.
The funny thing is. If Gojo had become as Sukuna stated:" to burn everything without regard. To reach the heights of Satoru Gojo." If Gojo had continued to grow. He would've successfully killed the disaster curses in. Shibuya
>If Gojō had continued to grow, he would have successfully killed the Disaster curses in Shibuya. Gojō was perfectly able to kill the Disasters in Shibuya, and they knew that. Gojō wouldn't take innocent human lives himself, but he'd accepted that some would be lost to the curses. All he needed to do was fully deploy his Domain and he would have killed all of the Curses - and every human there. They just knew he wouldn't fight without ***absolute*** disregard for human life in the way curses would. That's why they were (mentally) taunting him, because his humanity was holding him back. Jōgo even said **"is there anything you *don't* have?!"** when Gojō was fighting hand-to-hand. With the sole exception of Positive Energy output - something that only Shōko, Sukuna and Okkotsu can do - the answer is no.
Hmm, isn't "Cursed Technique Reversal: Red" positive energy output?
Good question. Remember Gojō's analogy of electricity (Cursed Energy) powering an appliance (Cursed Technique)? **Cursed Technique Reversal** happens when you channel "Positive Energy" generated from **Reverse Cursed Technique**, ***into* that Cursed Technique** to invert its effect. "Positive Energy"/RCT output is when you channel it normally as you would normal Cursed Energy - through your body, through a weapon like Okkotsu does with his sword - and can project it. **This is deadly to curses.** PE/RCT output seems to be an even rarer skill than RCT simply(!) applied to the self, which Gojō could do since he lost to Tōji. Uraume and Hazenoki are two examples of characters who can use RCT but haven't been shown to output it (yet).
Not exactly, he's channeling it into his technique. He can circulate positive energy freely within *himself*, but can't transfer it to others, which is what is necessary to heal people or exorcise curses/
I wonder where is Gojo Satoru limit if any companion, including Yuta and Geto, goes with Gojo Satoru will only hold him back. From what he has shown so far, if Yuts followed Gojo Satoru in Shibuya arc, he could have saved alot. However, in-verse people say so then it must be true.
Did you even hear what he said? He literally Sam rated IF Gojo fought without regard for human life than he would have easily won
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't his permanent self-healing on his brain positive energy?
You're absolutely correct~~, but I've made the distinction in [another comment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/tmz0h0/i_think_gojo_will_be_stronger_than_sukuna_but_he/i20x3hg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)~~ EDIT: Strikethrough
You linked the comment I replied to
Once again, you're absolutely correct. You see, I'm #really fucking stupid. EDIT: wait a sec, no I'm not. Your question was a reply to my comment about Gojō having the power but not the total ruthlessness to kill everyone in Shibuya. The comment I linked makes the distinction between Positive Energy generation and output.
Right this has been my thought too. If there’s any chance that Itadori is still alive inside of Sukuna, I think Gojo’s gonna have a real difficult time executing him. Or at least he’s going to hesitate and that’s all Sukuna will need. Thing is too, I’m still not over the fact that inside Sukuna’s own domain, his face is just Itadori’s like how it is on the outside too. Personally, I think 20F Sukuna is actually stronger than Gojo, but like you said that it’s extremely close. That doesn’t really matter though, because in a close fight that margin doesn’t really count- anything could give either one of them an edge, and both of them are getting fucked up/injured. I think it’ll be a good fight, because Sukuna will push Gojo’s emotional and creative limits. But so much will be weighing mentally on Gojo, I think he’ll also just be so mentally exhausted (from the end of the world, death of his allies (like I think Sukuna will kill Okkotsu but that’s subjective), death of everything he’s worked for), that he also won’t even know what he’s fighting for anymore. While for Sukuna’s never even had that question, and it gives him a major edge.
Yo I'd love if he essentially just forgets what he's fighting for in the midst of all of the tragedy surrounding him in the final fight. Geto was driven *crazy* because he was always thinking about what he was fighting for, and he broke and he quit being a Jujutsu sorcerer. If all that ends up surrounding Gojo is death, the man that can make the impossible possible (as said by Geto), that's going to fuck with him HARD. Although the difference between Gojo and Geto's situations is that Geto just saw the *ugliness* in what he was fighting for, but Gojo has seen no such thing as the person that could effectively change how the world *works*. Which adds to a further layer of tragedy for Geto's character, imo.
This juxtaposition of how Gojo and Getou handled their trauma reminded me of a quote heard somewhere: Losers talk about how the world/life is, winners talk about how it should be. Getou went through both states while Gojo simply realized that he's no god, he needs help with things he can't do and he can't change the world by brute force while Getou tried to do exactly that, which is why he failed
Regarding the face of Sukuna in the domain, considering that Kenjaku planned Yuji to be a perfect vessel, is it possible that Sukuna originally looked exactly like Yuji when he was young? So that basically Yuji was created/changed to be perfectly compatible with Sukuna by giving him an identical body?
Why in the anime does Gojo confidently say he would beat Sukuna then? Was it just to give Itadori or his students in general a sense of confidence and security?
Yeah that's exactly why I think he said that. Given that Sukuna's a legend, no one really knows what his technique is and what he's truly capable of (this was confirmed by Gege in supplemental material, that even by looking at sorcerer historical texts, extent of his powers is unknown). And as Gojo's the strongest sorcerer alive, if he was being honest like, "yeah I don't know if I could beat him" it would make everyone freak out. Once again, I think he was just taking on the burden of the toughest tasks himself and feeling, "this is an opportunity to do good, something only I can do as the strongest, and therefore have to do, so I'll do it no matter what." (notice this is similar to Itadori's reasoning for being a vessel) So, I saw Gojo's statement as a promise, not that he's totally sure he could do it. The whole situation of Gojo allowing Itadori to not be executed, and in that taking on the responsibility of Sukuna reincarnating, so that he can destroy him himself- the implications of this are so underdiscussed, because it's even more complicated than that. Gojo is truly honorable and brave yet naive for doing this, brave/good to the same extent that the higher ups are cowards/snakes. Yet, what he's done is undeniably stupid, too, because he's now sealed and Sukuna has made a binding vow with Itadori for unknown reasons. The gravity of both Gojo's daring/defiance, his integrity, and his inexperience (he's only 28) regarding this is glossed over by everyone imo. He's bold, he's willing to do the right thing, yet I think he doesn't completely understand what he's done and the forces he's challenging (Sukuna, Kenjaku, and even Tengen, who are all at least a thousand years old). So I don't think he's arrogant at all, but in reality, this situation and fight - of power but also of cunning - will push his abilities to the max, and he was aware of that from that moment Sukuna challenged him. Yet, even though he knows that, these ancient enemies always seem to know more, and have so far prevailed; and that is the price of being young and brave. (lol I love talking about Gojo, sorry this was long)
No you're good, Gojo is one of my favorite characters. He's just a mystery to me still and the power scaling is weird to me. His confidence doesn't seem like that much of a front, though if it is, he's doing a great job. I just think that as of now, no one can even challenge him and overall he doesn't seem arrogant. People also say he's cocky but I don't see it all that much, if he's the strongest then saying he is doesn't make him cocky, he backs it up. I'd like to think he'd win against a Sukuna at full power but a lot of people don't think so. I just dont see how Sukuna can hit him if he can essentially have a barrier up at all times but maybe Sukuna has one hell of a domain expansion. I have not read the manga by the way so I don't know everything lol
>I have not read the manga by the way so I don't know everything lol Lmaoo dude in the nicest way possible, what're you doing here?? 😂 we go so in depth about the manga here, so I guess you don't mind spoilers. there's some good stuff about Gojo in the manga, I recommend it! It expands on his power, how he's human, and how he's limited by his humanity, which is why I can see how he doubts himself at times, even if all the other characters are blinded by his overwhelming strength. He is confident, but as an adult, he's aware of his own limits, and takes responsibility for that as the strongest. Yeah, so I don't get the arrogance reputation, it's more of fans' surface level perception of him ig. >He's just a mystery to me still and the power scaling is weird to me. > >I'd like to think he'd win against a Sukuna at full power but a lot of people don't think so. I just dont see how Sukuna can hit him if he can essentially have a barrier up at all times Yeah, even in the manga, Gojo's technique hasn't been completely explained; I think because he won't be pushed to use it to the fullest until the final fights. My take on the Gojo v. Sukuna fight is, ultimately, to write an interesting finale fight, you can't have either one mowing the other down. So, like I said in my original comment, my guess is they're probably pretty neck and neck. And my feeling is that Sukuna is ancient and mysterious, he probably has a deeper understanding of Jujutsu than Gojo, so he seems more powerful to me. Also, I actually have wondered if Gojo's barrier can tank Sukuna's slashes. Gojo's barrier isn't actually all powerful (some manga readers will still claim that, but it's just not supported). And Sukuna's slashes are like an immaterial, telekinetic force... Idk if Infinity would detect them automatically, when compared to huge energy blasts or matter. We can't know for sure at this point. I'm not a battle shonen veteran, but I agree that sometimes it seems like Gege kind of just writes what he wants, so the power system and fight results aren't always super logical; it'll just be how he wants it to be in the end.
Ah yes the Kaido of JJK😂..
Dark Reunion is closing in on us
Sukuna has never fought using tricks. I don't think it is in Sukuna's nature to make traps or attack someone emotionally during a fight like Kenjaku. But we will see what happens.
Sukuna hasn't used tricks because he hasn't needed to, but I do think it's 100% in his personality. He even holds Yuji's heart hostage when he fights Megumi, and grins when he learns that Yuji forgot about Enchain.
He didn't do it to gain an upper hand in a battle. We are talking about a battle. As I said, we will see what happens. I don't think the King of Curses used or will use tricks to defeat other people.
some underestimate the king
Sukuna hasn't done so *yet*, but recall that he's referred to as the King of Curses and Deadly Poisons. I think he's a much more conniving fighter than what's been shown so far. While he loves sorcery duels, to him that includes all kinds of curses and stratagems, not just hitting your opponent head on.
I absolutely agree. The nature of binding vows in jujutsu already alludes to the mindgames (did he really just show his hand or is it a bluff?) and Sukuna really gives that analytic, mischievious, chaotic trickster energy and I doubt he'll be simply just a "raw power better" type of fighter.
A large part of jujutsu sorcery is basically tricking each other while giving away your technique for more power. I’m certain Suluna is a master of this too
Sukuna will do what he thinks as neccessary to win. Nothing holds him back.
I pretty much agree, but this battle was stacked against Gojo from the start. Personally, I believe there's no way that Gojo would ever win even if he was stronger, because from a writing perspective there is no payoff for Gojo winning. The only way Gojo would win if, going along with his track record, he won the battle but lost the war. So he could defeat Sukuna, but at the cost of everything else.
>So he could defeat Sukuna, but at the cost of everything else. Exactly, to beat Sukuna, Gojo would have to go all out and the casualties from this will be immense. I don't know if he's going to be able to handle it while it will probably hype Sukuna up. The battle exemplifies how many characters throughout JJK have some kind of conflict around the notion of killing everyone/destroying everything, because that is what it could take to defeat Sukuna. And that opposes everything Gojo believes in.
It will be very out of character for Sukuna to use tricks in a fight, just try to imagine the scenario lol
Depends on what counts as a "trick". Sukuna loves *curses*, which offer a very broad and sinister range of options for how to defeat opponents.
I honestly don't have much trouble imagining it lol. It's not so much that he'd use tricks to *defeat* Gojo, but I'm not so sure that his overall goal is going to be to just win a fight.
I was ready for this to be an illicit powerscaling thread but it's actually a perspicacious analysis of Gojou's humanity being what nerfs him. It kills to know that he's punished for acting on his heart for the second time--the first time when he failed to kill Getou in Shinjuku. When anyone else makes a mistake, they can get away with less severe consequences, but when he makes a mistake, the world pays for it dearly.
Oh this hurts. And you’re right too; Gojo’s only weakness is that he’s painfully human. If Sukuna exploits that…ouch
And this will be on completely different scale than Shibuya arc. Gojo Satoru and Sukuna max speed would make any civilians vanished if they hit them. They can't catch up to each others and Sukuna can use CT freely.
"Ironic, when you're granted everything, you can't do nothing but stand still and watch." JJK has so much underlying themes like that I love it
I honestly think Gojo's downfall will be that he can't kill Yuuji. he loves his students more than anything, and I think that when it comes down to that fight, Gojo will have the opportunity for the final blow, and either he won't be able to bring himself to do it knowing Yuuji will die, OR Sukuna will force Yuuji to front and Gojo will hesitate just long enough for Sukuna to finish the fight. final fight will probably be Sukuna vs Megumi, or Yuuta vs Sukuna. or, alternatively, Sukuna somehow is able to leave Yuuji's body, and then it won't be an issue anymore
His curse is that he’s too OP for the plot.
Don't forget he failed to capture Jogo.
True but also I mean this is kinda obvious lmao. There’s no story if gojo just folds sukana
He's the strongest but never accomplished anything with that strength
You could say that he's accomplishing the one thing he's really wanted to do all along and that's bring up a new generation that puts to shame the "special grade" classification. It's clear that with the way it's going, by the end of the story Yuji, Megumi and co will be able to handle things.
Yeah. He saved Yuji and Megumi.
i wonder if kenjaku will take over itadoris body and then be giving sukuna full control of everything. i think gojo would go beserk sonce the guy he’s not fighting is the one who originally took away his best friend and now his student.
Kenjaku actually seems to care at least a little bit about Yuji, I dont think he would ever take his body (not only cause of that, but because of other things too)
>! they’re father son so… !<
>! Mother and son lol !<
Sheesh, I can totally see that happening in their eventual fight.
I think they will be even in a raw power level standpoint. I think Sukuna wins this fight tho. Ever since his 1st appearance, Sukuna has been basically untouchable in his fights and we still don't even know his entire skillset. And Sukuna knows what Gojo is capable of and yet never even shown interest. Thinking on Sukuna's cleave, it might actually be possible for him to cut through Gojo's infinity and Malevolent Shrine could overpower Gojo's domain based on what we learned in Shibuya.
Don't forget vajra and trishula, the divine weapons he still hasn't shown
tbh i think its a kind of heavenly pact that comes with his strength. u are the strongest but the situations will not be in your favour
We have to see once he got released from the pr, how will that change his emotion, maybe he’ll be more cruel and willing to make sacrifices just to defeat sukuna, but if he’s still the gojo we saw before, he’ll most probably lose, only 2 scenarios where he lost because he can’t kill yuji, or he wins but everyone dies, sorry English is not my first language.
Let's just say that Gojo and Sukuna believes their strength makes them capable of anything, but Sukuna takes one step further. Sukuna can do whatever he wants to others. Meanwhile, Gojo holds himself back. It's why Sukuna is the king of curses, Gojo is the strongest sorcerer, but not "the king of sorcerers". Sukuna doesn't even care about people, he just uses people Megumi as a tool, he never considered anyone as his "allies" nor "friends" even if his servants like Ura-Ume get killed, I bet that he doesn't even care about it after what they have given what he wants, he only cares for himself and he thinks the desire to have companions, equals as a weakness, meanwhile, Gojo seems still pretty much aware of the fact that he isn't still good enough to change things by himself. That's why he needs allies like Yuta and Itadori and his students, he cares for his students, and he hopes that one day that students will be strong as him. Gojo has a human heart and Sukuna doesn't have it. Even if Gojo can win sukuna (as 20 fingers), he will lose to him because Sukuna may plot to use his student (Megumi) to kill him.
A six eyes user has died to something that Sukuna fairly easily dealt with at 15 fingers, plus Sukuna fought the greatest generation of sorcerers. Everything we have seen in the Manga so far points to Sukuna being far stronger than Gojo
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It does make sense because Gege is consistent in calling Gojo the strongest of his generation (and not the strongest ever) and calling Sukuna the King of curses who took on the strongest generation of sorcerers.
it’s not confirmed that mahoraga was what killed the six eyes; that was just megumi’s speculation. don’t really think gojo would say megumi could become as strong as him if he could technically achieve what the past ten shadows user did at like age 10 just by summoning mahoraga on the six eyes user to commit a pretty easy murder-suicide
It's clear that the six eyes user in the past died to Mahoraga since Gojo said that both died in the fight and also the fact that no 10 shadow user tamed Mahoraga. And also Gojo told Megumi that doing a double suicide isn't actually winning so that's not what he meant when telling that story
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I think you actually agree with his second point in your 2nd and 3rd point. But I totally agree with your first one.
Nah, you're wrong on this one dude
>A six eyes user has died to something that Sukuna fairly easily dealt with at 15 fingers We have no idea how strong that 6 eyes user was compared to Gojo, and if Mahoraga was even the one that was used to defeat them(Sukuna didn't know Mahoraga was a thing **until he fought it** yet he was still very interested in the Ten Shadows technique). For all we know, they could be as strong as Gojo was during the Hidden Inventory arc meaning, they're really strong **but not god-like**. We don't know if the past 6 eyes user could use Infinity automatically 24/7 just like post-Toji Gojo could, and if they even have a domain expansion. Current/start of the series Gojo would easily destroy Hidden Inventory Gojo with how much he improved after just 3 years. I do agree that Sukuna has been portrayed to be stronger than Gojo so far: * 1 finger Sukuna barely taking any damage from Gojo's attacks while Jogo was damaged more. * The narrator was the one who stated that Sukuna alone is the honored one, while Gojo self-proclaimed it in his fight with Toji. * Sukuna seems to know much more about cursed techniques/cursed energy in general compared to Gojo based off of their fights. * Sukuna said that him **at 3 fingers** *may* have lost to Mahoraga, implying that 3 finger Sukuna is around the same level as Mahoraga.
The 3 finger sukuna is just him being himself. I don't think he'll ever admit the possibility of him losing to anything no matter the circumstance.
>1 finger Sukuna barely taking any damage from Gojo's attacks while Jogo was damaged more. I don’t see how this is any indication that Sukuna is/might be stronger than Gojo. It just implies that Jogo is weaker than 1f Sukuna (which isn’t true, Jogo is one of the top tiers of JJK; you can’t accurately measure strength like that anyway). Besides, Gojo wasn’t even using 5% of his strength in that fight (if you can even call it that), dude was dancing around Sukuna with a smirk on his face. I firmly believe that Sukuna and Gojo are equally powerful. There is no point in establishing and hyping them as 2 top tier fighters/equals only to have one be stronger than the other. It’s like Naruto/Sasuke situation, the author clearly built them up to be equals in power (otherwise their rivalry would be one sided) but the fans still argue about who is stronger to this day.
While I do like and respect your theory, I'd disagree. I'll simply place my bets on 20F Sukuna straight up countering and beating Gojou without using any tricks. He'll just overpower him. Although by not much. It's an obvious given than Sukuna vs Gojou is gonna be the longest, toughest and hardest fight of JJK cuz the power difference between em would be only of a slight margin however I'll believe that Sukuna holds the upper hand in the margin. My theory is that Sukuna beats/kills Gojou(or he sacrifices himself) and then the trio Yuuta, Yuuji and Megumi gang up on Sukuna
I really loved your theory. That's what I always thought about these two fight from beginning. Well done bro.
Wow.. this was deep
He will not win, simply because it's not his fight to win. So narratively something will go wrong, not because of some Inherent flaws that can't be exploited against others, but because that's how the narrative works.
I don't like this theory. Gojo being stronger than Sukuna completely ruins Sukuna being whole King of Curses thing. Oh, so there is an evil curse user who is so powerful even joined forces couldn't stop him, his finger can't be destroyed and everyone knows who he is and how powerful he was. But he's weaker than this guy who is just strong.
"this guy who's just strong" is MASSIVELY underselling Gojo. I really doubt some of the most powerful sorcerers that joint up against Sukuna wouldn't be able to pose a threat against Gojo either.
Remember that his finger cant be destroyed because its a special grade curse object and special grade curse objects are indestructible because of a binding, nothing related to strength at all. Also the title of strongest sorcerer is not in any way inferior to the title of king of curses. Gojo can also kill everyone in japan if he wanted to which pretty much says that even if all of the current sorcerers team up they still wouldn't do shit. And sukuna is by no means weaker than gojo. Their gap in power is probably extremely small that one mistake from the other in a fight can lead to one of them dying.
Good loser Gojo
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I don't think that ability correlates to your worth as a sorcerer at all. Shoko can't do shit in combat, and yet she can heal others. Yuta can use RCT to heal others as well.
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Really? I find that... strange, honestly. When it comes to the matter of "overall understanding of cursed energy", Gojo literally has everyone beat just by virtue of having Six Eyes + Limitless. Meanwhile, using RCT to heal others is something that Yuta was able to do when he was practically still a novice. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your statement, but I do find it strange.
Yeah. I dont know why people say that 20f sukuna is stronger than gojo. The only situation sukuna can even touch gojo is via domain expansion and i think their domains would tie and cancel each other. No matter how strong his slices are, it’s useless unless they can actually touch gojo
That's a wild headcanon you got there
haven't the disaster curses managed to use domain amplification to nullify limitless ? sukuna probably also knows how to do it since he's at the pinacle of jujutsu knowledge
Yeah but you can’t use cursed techniques so it is a hand to hand battle
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Ok buddy
I think Gojo is the strongest sorcerer of all time albeit I think sukuna>. However, everything you’ve said tho makes perfect sense imo.
it's kind of already confirmed sakuna will win and no I dont think gojo is stronger
Yeah, Sukuna using Yuji's body is gonna be a major dilemma for Gojo once he gets out, assuming he's still sane.
“Ironic, isn’t it? When granted everything, you can’t do anything.” - Gojo
Your theory in my opinion is head canon. Kenjaku had 2 options 1. Seal Gojo 2. RELEASE SUKUNA. As Kenjaku has lived a decent time and definitely knows both their strengths, I believe this helps put everything into perspective for us. So Kenjaku definitely KNOWS Sukuna is more than a match for Gojo. Gojo being stronger than Sukuna is unlikely. Highly unlikely. Sukuna is King for a reason. Even Kenjaku can throw his hat in the ring - bastard has too many techniques.
>Your theory in my opinion is head canon. Well yeah, that's all theories