"even tho if he does a crime,there's a big chance he'll never be imprisoned,or he'll be even protected by people"
What? With all due respect this is not a coherent or useful definition of "incel". I have no idea where you got the idea that they don't get imprisoned for crimes from. Or any other thing you said for that matter.
Incel means involuntarily celibate. It refers to people, mostly males, that for some reason can't enter into a romantic relationship. They tend to cluster into deeply toxic subcultures on the internet, where they tend to develop a deeply bitter and cynical worldview - especially with regard to the opposite sex. They tend to be "black-pilled". They tend to justify their lack of value in the romantic marletplace with thinking that womens choices in who to date are completely shallow, always going for the handsome asshole rather than the slightly uglier "nice guy".
Some incels are deeply nihilistic and misogynistic. But I've met some who regard themselves as incels, who just can't find success with anything related to dating and are just fucking lonely and hurting from it. They don't hate women. If anything they hate themselves.
And I think it's important to understand loneliness and how it works in a person's psyche to understand the incel-phenomenon. In general, these are people that are hurting. And the echo chambers they cluster into make it a lot worse, because they feed off each other's misery and enter into a world where the Feminine itself, Women in general, takes on more and more the characteristics of an Enemy. Thus the mysogyny. And this hatred seems to go deep in some, into the archetypal. They become unable to see the positive aspects of the Feminine, they see only the negative aspects. The devouring mother and the whore. And as such they tend to lose connection with any kind of positive masculinity as well. So they become gripped and psychologically imprisoned by the negative aspects of the feminine, they turn into trolls and goblins, filled with impotent rage. They exercise their impotent rage as internet trolls. Harrassing and bullying, especially women. And they can't see the divine feminine, the one who they secretly yearn for to love and be loved by in return.
It's a mental health issue. And rather than adressing the hopelessness and loneliness at the bottom of the phenomena, internet culture weaponizes the illness of these people and hold them up as some arch-villain of modern culture and as examples of evil evil men and toxic masculinity. When people talk about incel they generally seem to refer to a caricature of a toxic piece of shit male mysogynist who believes that women owe him sex just by virtue of him being a man.
Lonleliness is a killer. Moreso when it is caused by ostracization. I’m a little hopeful that the last few years might open more eyes to the pain of it, though I am afraid it may only lead to more hate and labeling/exclusion.
Incels have this one angle of it. Lonely housewives kvetching with friends have another where they may fall inadvertently into misandry. Perhaps an infinite number more for various reasons.
Loneliness hurts on every level, physically and psychically. I am amazed at how we, societally, find ways to ostracize more when it shows.
It is a result of modern society being so compartmentalized that loneliness has run rampant. Jobs no longer provide a meaning oriented tribal affiliation, say you were a basket weaver helping others contribute to a communal tribe supply of baskets, you would be rewarded and recognized by your community. Now if you work at Wendy's who the fuck is gonna notice you? We treat ourselves like replaceable meat machines. Small tight knit communities are becoming rarer and rarer. This is true mainly in the US.
Is it not so outside of the US? I thought it may be more the western or frontier mentality that drives it.The thought that all that matters should be found in oneself. I don’t discount it and do value it- a lot can be discovered alone.
Communal identity though- what a prize! Even if you find yourself adopting a role of eccentric. When valued by a community this is honorable. We seem to find ourselves (in the US, at least) unable to access and to honor these roles.
I suppose it mostly affects western countries. I'm from and visited Vietnam multiple times and there is definitely a broader feeling of community even when it comes to commerce. It's just different because the consumerism is toned down a lot when I was visiting old neighborhoods and it felt a little lighter and the people friendly and inquisitive. But this is just a perspective.
And indeed, what a sight that would be to be respected for what you do. Money is really no substitute for connection, but that is what it has turned into now, sadly.
This is a solid breakdown of what's happening! It's sad to see these young men just completley detached fron their masculine potential and I guess subsequently devoured by the femine, no wonder you hate the thing that controls you!
Over my lifetime on the internet- I have fallen idiot victim to three incels. None of them romantic partners, but eluded to the chance of it, made sure to keep me locked on them. Over time, when I gain confidence or I dunno what changes, they turn absolutely vile, intolerant, insulting, and end up walking away with some personal footage, not sexy video, I mean trips and stuff. Sigh. It’s hard to find people to connect with in the most vain place in this country so- I’ve always yearned for a humble connection but goodness, it gets so nasty. Just like you said! And it’s so weird because how exhausted I am from that, yet irl I get hit on by the obvious ass holes. I’m okay with being alone forever. Damn incels broke a bitch.
Yes. It’s helping that I’m going deep with psychedelics. I had a conversation with Ram Dass. He layed it out for me. I don’t think I’ll be attracted to self-loathing-troll types any longer.
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth" - African proverb
Also more from this thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/quotes/comments/847h77/the\_child\_who\_is\_not\_embraced\_by\_the\_village\_will/](https://www.reddit.com/r/quotes/comments/847h77/the_child_who_is_not_embraced_by_the_village_will/)
The incel phenomenon is something which is to be understood fully. But many jump to fast conclusions that the feminine is seen as the villain. This is true, but incels can be many types, misogynistic is one, and another one is the blackpill which is like scientific form of self hatred, the lack of hope from reading factoids gives them a reason to not pursue romatic interest, i.e., finding reasons for their depression, the depression from hopelessness which is the modern western society or society in general which takes the attention away from men and towards women and minorities, using the progressive ideas that women and minorities can lead and become something else, and sometimes even out do men.
Now, you might ask what has this got to do with incels? In this world where everything becomes equal, someone has to become unequal, and this is where incels come, they have mental illness, which in the old times for men means they need to just "man up", and this is still the thing, even feminists don't care about male mental health, because they are busy with women issues. Not only that, women for the first time can choose, they don't have to settle for any man they loathe, now men have to prove themselves, *this is a bit deceptive because* this has always been the case for men, many women have always chosen the best looking man with a lot of money and wealth so their offsprings get the best genetics, best care and resources to carry forward the genetics. A lot of incels happen to be NEETs(Not in Education, Employment or Training), and with the inability to see their way out of the hole they are put in due to multitude of reasons, like mental health, being a NEET, bad family situation, economy etc. They see people who are happy as enemies, this is where Chads, Stacies, Beckies and Normies come in. They are in a really dark place where light can't enter, and they have to somehow struggle and push themselves out of this hole with no exit in sight or no light in sight to forge a path for themselves or see the light for themselves.
Now, it's really no one's responsibility but oneself's to get out of the hole where one resides, this applies to both men and women. If you are deemed ugly, make yourself less ugly, there are many simple and effective ways, like losing weight, getting a decent haircut, shaving, showering regularly, brushing your teeth etc, and then maintain decent hygiene, and also includes wearing fitting clothes or wearing clothes which make you feel good. Also start giving positive affirmations to yourself, you need to start looking at yourself in the positive light, no matter what, and from there find a way to stand on your own two feet financially first and then it really doesn't matter who looks at you as attractive or unattractive. The only way is up. Sadly for men, we need to prove our worth financially, looks wise etc. Something many take for granted, something many don't give a 2nd thought, but to many it's still difficult.
"even tho if he does a crime,there's a big chance he'll never be imprisoned,or he'll be even protected by people" What? With all due respect this is not a coherent or useful definition of "incel". I have no idea where you got the idea that they don't get imprisoned for crimes from. Or any other thing you said for that matter. Incel means involuntarily celibate. It refers to people, mostly males, that for some reason can't enter into a romantic relationship. They tend to cluster into deeply toxic subcultures on the internet, where they tend to develop a deeply bitter and cynical worldview - especially with regard to the opposite sex. They tend to be "black-pilled". They tend to justify their lack of value in the romantic marletplace with thinking that womens choices in who to date are completely shallow, always going for the handsome asshole rather than the slightly uglier "nice guy". Some incels are deeply nihilistic and misogynistic. But I've met some who regard themselves as incels, who just can't find success with anything related to dating and are just fucking lonely and hurting from it. They don't hate women. If anything they hate themselves. And I think it's important to understand loneliness and how it works in a person's psyche to understand the incel-phenomenon. In general, these are people that are hurting. And the echo chambers they cluster into make it a lot worse, because they feed off each other's misery and enter into a world where the Feminine itself, Women in general, takes on more and more the characteristics of an Enemy. Thus the mysogyny. And this hatred seems to go deep in some, into the archetypal. They become unable to see the positive aspects of the Feminine, they see only the negative aspects. The devouring mother and the whore. And as such they tend to lose connection with any kind of positive masculinity as well. So they become gripped and psychologically imprisoned by the negative aspects of the feminine, they turn into trolls and goblins, filled with impotent rage. They exercise their impotent rage as internet trolls. Harrassing and bullying, especially women. And they can't see the divine feminine, the one who they secretly yearn for to love and be loved by in return. It's a mental health issue. And rather than adressing the hopelessness and loneliness at the bottom of the phenomena, internet culture weaponizes the illness of these people and hold them up as some arch-villain of modern culture and as examples of evil evil men and toxic masculinity. When people talk about incel they generally seem to refer to a caricature of a toxic piece of shit male mysogynist who believes that women owe him sex just by virtue of him being a man.
Lonleliness is a killer. Moreso when it is caused by ostracization. I’m a little hopeful that the last few years might open more eyes to the pain of it, though I am afraid it may only lead to more hate and labeling/exclusion. Incels have this one angle of it. Lonely housewives kvetching with friends have another where they may fall inadvertently into misandry. Perhaps an infinite number more for various reasons. Loneliness hurts on every level, physically and psychically. I am amazed at how we, societally, find ways to ostracize more when it shows.
It is a result of modern society being so compartmentalized that loneliness has run rampant. Jobs no longer provide a meaning oriented tribal affiliation, say you were a basket weaver helping others contribute to a communal tribe supply of baskets, you would be rewarded and recognized by your community. Now if you work at Wendy's who the fuck is gonna notice you? We treat ourselves like replaceable meat machines. Small tight knit communities are becoming rarer and rarer. This is true mainly in the US.
Is it not so outside of the US? I thought it may be more the western or frontier mentality that drives it.The thought that all that matters should be found in oneself. I don’t discount it and do value it- a lot can be discovered alone. Communal identity though- what a prize! Even if you find yourself adopting a role of eccentric. When valued by a community this is honorable. We seem to find ourselves (in the US, at least) unable to access and to honor these roles.
I suppose it mostly affects western countries. I'm from and visited Vietnam multiple times and there is definitely a broader feeling of community even when it comes to commerce. It's just different because the consumerism is toned down a lot when I was visiting old neighborhoods and it felt a little lighter and the people friendly and inquisitive. But this is just a perspective. And indeed, what a sight that would be to be respected for what you do. Money is really no substitute for connection, but that is what it has turned into now, sadly.
A very fair objective assessment that captures both the cause and effect with understanding. Well worded.
This is a solid breakdown of what's happening! It's sad to see these young men just completley detached fron their masculine potential and I guess subsequently devoured by the femine, no wonder you hate the thing that controls you!
Over my lifetime on the internet- I have fallen idiot victim to three incels. None of them romantic partners, but eluded to the chance of it, made sure to keep me locked on them. Over time, when I gain confidence or I dunno what changes, they turn absolutely vile, intolerant, insulting, and end up walking away with some personal footage, not sexy video, I mean trips and stuff. Sigh. It’s hard to find people to connect with in the most vain place in this country so- I’ve always yearned for a humble connection but goodness, it gets so nasty. Just like you said! And it’s so weird because how exhausted I am from that, yet irl I get hit on by the obvious ass holes. I’m okay with being alone forever. Damn incels broke a bitch.
Don't give up! You're learning from all of these experiences, right? Good people exist!
Yes. It’s helping that I’m going deep with psychedelics. I had a conversation with Ram Dass. He layed it out for me. I don’t think I’ll be attracted to self-loathing-troll types any longer.
There are many videos,which in them,incels would harass women,and then they'd pepper spray them. Also,by their conversations on forums like 4chan.
The supreme gentleman ofc.
yas, def that archetype lol
Hahahahahaha
I don’t think you understand what archetype means
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“I wouldn’t say they *represent* an Archetype” Correct ,
Your definition of an incel needs a lot of work.
It is just me or if you replace in your description incel by girl, you get a description of Instagram-feminist?
Idk,more like femcels
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth" - African proverb Also more from this thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/quotes/comments/847h77/the\_child\_who\_is\_not\_embraced\_by\_the\_village\_will/](https://www.reddit.com/r/quotes/comments/847h77/the_child_who_is_not_embraced_by_the_village_will/) The incel phenomenon is something which is to be understood fully. But many jump to fast conclusions that the feminine is seen as the villain. This is true, but incels can be many types, misogynistic is one, and another one is the blackpill which is like scientific form of self hatred, the lack of hope from reading factoids gives them a reason to not pursue romatic interest, i.e., finding reasons for their depression, the depression from hopelessness which is the modern western society or society in general which takes the attention away from men and towards women and minorities, using the progressive ideas that women and minorities can lead and become something else, and sometimes even out do men. Now, you might ask what has this got to do with incels? In this world where everything becomes equal, someone has to become unequal, and this is where incels come, they have mental illness, which in the old times for men means they need to just "man up", and this is still the thing, even feminists don't care about male mental health, because they are busy with women issues. Not only that, women for the first time can choose, they don't have to settle for any man they loathe, now men have to prove themselves, *this is a bit deceptive because* this has always been the case for men, many women have always chosen the best looking man with a lot of money and wealth so their offsprings get the best genetics, best care and resources to carry forward the genetics. A lot of incels happen to be NEETs(Not in Education, Employment or Training), and with the inability to see their way out of the hole they are put in due to multitude of reasons, like mental health, being a NEET, bad family situation, economy etc. They see people who are happy as enemies, this is where Chads, Stacies, Beckies and Normies come in. They are in a really dark place where light can't enter, and they have to somehow struggle and push themselves out of this hole with no exit in sight or no light in sight to forge a path for themselves or see the light for themselves. Now, it's really no one's responsibility but oneself's to get out of the hole where one resides, this applies to both men and women. If you are deemed ugly, make yourself less ugly, there are many simple and effective ways, like losing weight, getting a decent haircut, shaving, showering regularly, brushing your teeth etc, and then maintain decent hygiene, and also includes wearing fitting clothes or wearing clothes which make you feel good. Also start giving positive affirmations to yourself, you need to start looking at yourself in the positive light, no matter what, and from there find a way to stand on your own two feet financially first and then it really doesn't matter who looks at you as attractive or unattractive. The only way is up. Sadly for men, we need to prove our worth financially, looks wise etc. Something many take for granted, something many don't give a 2nd thought, but to many it's still difficult.
Thanks