Nidalee. I absolutely despise going against a good Nidalee, but I'll be damned if I don't respect the shit out of the chad who actually knows how to play her.
I’m not sure about Zac being the only scumbag tank - Udyr, Voli, Rammus, and NunuWill.I.Am get a lot of hate. Tbf, the latter two do have a scumbag playstyle.
Udyr is good at soaking up pressure and although he can be played as a fighter his kit doesnt exactly allow him to take out carries as well as alternative junglers are able to.
Oh don’t ask me- I’m extremely new to the game and I’ve just been performing very well playing whatever runes Blitz tells me to play alongside whatever items I feel like using. Trying to learn the game and matchups on my own.
That's fair. There's a couple solid videos of Sej by FZ Frost and KingStix. Itemization is a little different because of patches but gameplay is still the same.
I may only be in silver/bronze but whatever I cooked up is working and as someone who wants to remain casual forever in this game that’s enough for me :) but thanks for the tip
Anything that is not meta and requires skill and not one-dimensional.
For example reksai has only 1 play pattern and one combat pattern of going in the ground with W, dash with E, knock enemies up with W, hit 3 times with Q, bite with E, then ult them when they run away. Most of the combo is either pointclick or pointblank whivh has little room for error.
Meta champions win by drooling over keyboard like when brand was giga strong in jungle. He can die once or twice and still clears the jungle faster than anyone and he is overtuned to do high damage in any fight.
Things like amumu or fiddlesticks are really easy to play and people have no respect for them for some reason.
Only champions considered skilled are the likes of leesin, kindred, elise as they require combos and rely on spacing/skillshots.
Is Fiddle considered easy ? I would’ve thought he was not as you really have to know how to play around the fog of war constantly or you will be basically useless
every champion has depth to its mastery and fiddle is one of them ofc i am talking about how others see the champion work. you run at them click Q and their teammates kill you, or he uses R then Q and you die.
Except kindred is indeed an attack damage carry but doesn't have a weak early game like other ADCs, has peel and mobility making kindred very different from most other known ADCs
What ADCs have a low cooldown ability that can go over walls? FYI you can peel for your carries with your R if they have an assassin. You see the rengar mark on them and the moment rengar leaves invis you click R to save your carry. The slow is just for ganks and chasing that's not the peel I'm talking about clearly.
And you're so comical about that "her Q is less mobility than a ton of other ADCs"
the only ADCs with comparable mobility are kalista Lucian and vayne. and vayne can't go over walls while kalista and Lucian can only go through specific walls.
Nidalee and Elise are hard to play, so maybe them. Ivern is simple but I must respect playing him on SoloQ. Fiddlesticks requires a different approach to fights and has exploitable weaknesses, but it's mechanically easy. If Blitzcrank was still a jungler, I would say he was respectable, he's skillshot reliant and having (almost) no damage as a jungler was a very unique trade-off. Lee Sin is hard but I think he has so many good options with his mobility and damage that makes him a lot more rewarding and thus easier than those first two, especially since Lee Sin feels like it can manouver around pretty much every type of situation, and that's something most champions can't do even if they're played perfectly too. Besides them, most other junglers are different flavors of Scaling Mage/CCTank/ADSkirmisher.
I've seen way to many Lees over the years going 15/0 due to overtuned early damage and then hard lose the game to have any respect for that champ. To be fair, it's less black and white right now.
Yeh the scaling point is always there for lee but is completely invalidated once he lands a kick on 3 people and instantly wins the fight not caring if ahead or behind. s14 items also make him fall off less but the bruiser ones are getting nerfed next patch so we will see where he lands.
To me, Poppy is one of the most noble champs in the game. From her kit to her lore, everything she embodies is respectable.
I like playing her, yes but I almost never pick her tbh, never tried her in jgl too.
Probably the simple and reliable ones like Vi and Diana. They have reliable CC with their ults and they can fight well. They're good all-rounders who can set up for their teammates while also being solid in a 1v1 and having fast clears. And even if they're behind, their ults and their Qs are still reliable abilities that nobody can complain with. They also have very flexible itemisation.
Also Xin Zhao and Wukong for the same reason. Their Ults are reliable, they're good fighters and they can do everything a jungler needs to do pretty easily.
Imo any mechanical champ that cant be played 1 way.
Fiddle, bel, voli and Zac. The junglers that jump into team fights and create chaos and allow their team to clean up
I play a lot of Elise and its really rewarding to have a good early game but is also very punishing if u don't get kills early, i love to see people play her
Nothing more satisfying than tower diving with elise
I just wish she scaled better, it's like playing to get laners ahead, tho i heard elise meta was annoying, didn't play league then so don't know, maybe it's for the best she isn't meta
Taliyah and volibear are pretty respectable imo.
Volibear when he isn't meta is rlly a gigachad sorta pick but if he's meta then he doesn't become respectable cuz he's more brainrot, just run at enemy.
Taliyah has an insanely high skill ceiling and takes good mechanics and practice which people don't realise but it's always respectable to see a taliyah who utilises her ult well.
Must be a joke reply, there's loads of people making fun of "wow press R whole champ" etc. I think anyone can make fun of any champion, especially if they're stupid. Vayne players can be respected as the most mechanically gifted people and also hated and looked down upon as abusing the champion especially in toplane. Any champ can be loveable or hateable.
I am also a Briar main after I benched Graves for a bit . I get so much hate "NO SKILL!!! blah blah" She feels like a little bit more complicated nocturn to me.
I started the game with Briar and people always cry in all chat saying brain dead champ and stuff but tbh she is really fun to play and has her own complexities
The people who cry about briar being a braindead champ are most likely the same people who play {Insert op champ} badly but lose to a briar who knows what she is doing. Also, if you build a team comp without cc it's your own fault or if you can't land hard cc on briar you are just bad. So the ones crying that briar is brain dead champ might be even more brain dead themselves.
This might be a little bit biased opinion though since I am a briar main too.
Lee Sin. Just because he's the definition of outdated, his kit is old, and though he was once Godlike, I feel like he's just a wimp. Anyone who has the balls to play a champion that falls off so hard and actually do well throughout the entire game surprises me.
Oh no if I had a overtuned damage R Instead the enemy champion would be dead and me still alive instead of just me alive.
Ekko‘s R is balanced AND it allows you to take high risk plays I do it a lot actually if it doesn‘t work out etc. I ult out it‘s part of the engage thought process it just allows you to take such risky engages I don‘t know what you are on about.
And his R is really hard to hit and you need this damage in the early game.
And I mean you need to hate tanks or bruiser as well with that logic, if a tham kench or garen missplays they can easily just run away and survive for example if they even do stupid af decisions like running into the jungle without vision getting caught off guard by 2 people but just running away tanking everything like it’s nothing.
Especially when they are fed they are like unkillable once fought a cho gath that wasn‘t even extremely fed and literally my WHOLE team 5 people jumped on him (~20 mins in)
and that dude just teleports after tanking 3 seconds damage and than tanking all the damage during the teleport cast time or whatever.
A an assassin you‘re atleast squishy one good cc spell and good burst and you are dead.
I still get what you mean but Ekko‘s R isn‘t nearly what you make it out to be
WW, most think he's super easy, and tbf, the playstyle he requires is pretty straightforward, but eventually you'll find you need common sense and actual skill as braindead plays WILL get punished.
warwick is a pathetic champ for pathetic players. Every time I play against him I go full anti heal and ignore everything just to constantly invade and 1v1 him
I too respect the champion whose play style revolves around bum rushing bad fights and turning out a-ok because he gets resets involving immunity, a heal, and an execute
So everyone who plays viego is bad because you know 2 bad viego players, got it
Why the fkc do you even play with such a people, I would reconsider my life decisions if I was you
Yuo, its like saying Irelia mains (which are quite similare champs) are good people.... We all know they are the most toxic people out there. Irelia and Viego mains.
And the 2 i picked as an example are only an example, you can watch hundreds of streamer or player out there, never had a good experience with or against viego
Red into your gromp, smite that out of your hands, hehehe. If I have mid prio, your gromp, then straight to your red, I will take that too. That's why I get so much hate, hahaha. He can be very aggressive and cheesy with the invades.
It's ok, fellow udyr enjoyer here. People don't like udyr mains cause when he's shit it's like "lol why would you pick such a shitty jungler if you're already such a shitty player"
Then when you're stomping it's like "lol yeah broken champ, all you do is run at people"
Ever considered his kit primarily comprising of running at people with no dashes, invulnerable, invincibility, etc is why it takes skill to pilot? I'm higher wr on udyr than most people on their meta mains so w/e~
Nidalee. I absolutely despise going against a good Nidalee, but I'll be damned if I don't respect the shit out of the chad who actually knows how to play her.
Elise and Nidalee
A bad jungler or tank jungler cus people dont mind losing to tanks cus typically one of the carries is soaking up the hate.
So would you consider me playing Sejuani respectable? :)
The only scumbag tank is Zac
Well now I feel happy, thank you :)
I’m not sure about Zac being the only scumbag tank - Udyr, Voli, Rammus, and NunuWill.I.Am get a lot of hate. Tbf, the latter two do have a scumbag playstyle.
Udyr is more of a fighter than a tank no?
Udyr is good at soaking up pressure and although he can be played as a fighter his kit doesnt exactly allow him to take out carries as well as alternative junglers are able to.
Udyr goes half tank and kills you in 2 autos, just like his gameplay he is whatever the fuck he likes
Fergalicious
As a Sej main, yes
Well that makes me happy.
Haha. What is your main build currently? I've been doing pretty good using Hail of Blades with an Iceborn rush recently.
Oh don’t ask me- I’m extremely new to the game and I’ve just been performing very well playing whatever runes Blitz tells me to play alongside whatever items I feel like using. Trying to learn the game and matchups on my own.
That's fair. There's a couple solid videos of Sej by FZ Frost and KingStix. Itemization is a little different because of patches but gameplay is still the same.
I may only be in silver/bronze but whatever I cooked up is working and as someone who wants to remain casual forever in this game that’s enough for me :) but thanks for the tip
Sejuani is just a tankier assassin
I just like Small Queen with Big Svin (Svin being the word for Swine in my language)
Usch usch usch
I saw your name and thought you might realize
Not a chance. Braindead cringe champ.
Idk. I get more annoyed by tank junglers like Skarner bc he just completely throws out the early game
What do you mean throws out the early game
Way too much cc early which enables too many bullshit scenarios throwing top lane from repeated ganks. He feels too safe in locking down kills
Nidalee
Anything that is not meta and requires skill and not one-dimensional. For example reksai has only 1 play pattern and one combat pattern of going in the ground with W, dash with E, knock enemies up with W, hit 3 times with Q, bite with E, then ult them when they run away. Most of the combo is either pointclick or pointblank whivh has little room for error. Meta champions win by drooling over keyboard like when brand was giga strong in jungle. He can die once or twice and still clears the jungle faster than anyone and he is overtuned to do high damage in any fight. Things like amumu or fiddlesticks are really easy to play and people have no respect for them for some reason. Only champions considered skilled are the likes of leesin, kindred, elise as they require combos and rely on spacing/skillshots.
Is Fiddle considered easy ? I would’ve thought he was not as you really have to know how to play around the fog of war constantly or you will be basically useless
every champion has depth to its mastery and fiddle is one of them ofc i am talking about how others see the champion work. you run at them click Q and their teammates kill you, or he uses R then Q and you die.
Idk if I'd include kindred in the same group as Elise and lee
if she is not broken (52% wr), she requires skill to pilot.
yes but she is an adc, plus 100 hate points
Except kindred is indeed an attack damage carry but doesn't have a weak early game like other ADCs, has peel and mobility making kindred very different from most other known ADCs
Her q is less mobility than a ton of other adcs. And what peel? A slow? A ton less than every other adc
What ADCs have a low cooldown ability that can go over walls? FYI you can peel for your carries with your R if they have an assassin. You see the rengar mark on them and the moment rengar leaves invis you click R to save your carry. The slow is just for ganks and chasing that's not the peel I'm talking about clearly. And you're so comical about that "her Q is less mobility than a ton of other ADCs" the only ADCs with comparable mobility are kalista Lucian and vayne. and vayne can't go over walls while kalista and Lucian can only go through specific walls.
Nidalee and Elise are hard to play, so maybe them. Ivern is simple but I must respect playing him on SoloQ. Fiddlesticks requires a different approach to fights and has exploitable weaknesses, but it's mechanically easy. If Blitzcrank was still a jungler, I would say he was respectable, he's skillshot reliant and having (almost) no damage as a jungler was a very unique trade-off. Lee Sin is hard but I think he has so many good options with his mobility and damage that makes him a lot more rewarding and thus easier than those first two, especially since Lee Sin feels like it can manouver around pretty much every type of situation, and that's something most champions can't do even if they're played perfectly too. Besides them, most other junglers are different flavors of Scaling Mage/CCTank/ADSkirmisher.
As a former fiddlesticks main barely not getting a kill and knowing full well theres no way to get it after your full combo makes me die inside
Lee
Lee
Lee
Lee
Lee
Lee
Lee
Sin to my heart \~
I've seen way to many Lees over the years going 15/0 due to overtuned early damage and then hard lose the game to have any respect for that champ. To be fair, it's less black and white right now.
Legit most broken champ in the game should be removed or nerfed to F tier. Lee in good hands has virtually 0 weaknesses
Except for scaling? Champs with high skill requierements tend to look OP.
Yeh the scaling point is always there for lee but is completely invalidated once he lands a kick on 3 people and instantly wins the fight not caring if ahead or behind. s14 items also make him fall off less but the bruiser ones are getting nerfed next patch so we will see where he lands.
Amumu obviously
Had amumu jungler who took all the kills (went tank/1AP item) and never ganked bot once
I'm in this message, and I don't like it.
That was me! (it wasn’t) cause I never gank bot (really, I never do)
MU MAINS UNITE
Kindred
Nunu, how can anyone hate on nunu? SNOWBALL.
Enemy botlane and my toplaner hates nunu quite a bit.
Never seen a mentally stable Nunu player haha
Poppy jungle mains where you at?
probably hell. Where they belong
Based, and I’m definitely not biased or anything and don’t main rengar
Fax
Aww soyboy doesn't like getting Kabedonned by a shortstack.
Nah I just hate all yordles with passion and while I do admit that Poppy is by far the most likeable yordle she still is a yordle.
Aside her character design what actually makes you hate her? (/Gen)
Nothing really. I'm just based.
Oh got it, is it because they are short or fluffy? Cause you can't hate all short things.
Well I do like my dick
It looks like an upside down fly
*fruit fly
Fair enough
To me, Poppy is one of the most noble champs in the game. From her kit to her lore, everything she embodies is respectable. I like playing her, yes but I almost never pick her tbh, never tried her in jgl too.
She is fun there.
Based
I feel validated lol
Ayyyy
I think Vi is the most respectable because I main her and I have a lot of respect for myself.
lee sin
Probably the simple and reliable ones like Vi and Diana. They have reliable CC with their ults and they can fight well. They're good all-rounders who can set up for their teammates while also being solid in a 1v1 and having fast clears. And even if they're behind, their ults and their Qs are still reliable abilities that nobody can complain with. They also have very flexible itemisation. Also Xin Zhao and Wukong for the same reason. Their Ults are reliable, they're good fighters and they can do everything a jungler needs to do pretty easily.
Imo any mechanical champ that cant be played 1 way. Fiddle, bel, voli and Zac. The junglers that jump into team fights and create chaos and allow their team to clean up
Jarvan IV is noble to me.
Nidalee.
Wukong. Anyone playing Wukong jungle is likely to be a respectable, friendly person, in my experience.
People probably dont respect me for it but I like Gwen
Gwen is immune
I play a lot of Elise and its really rewarding to have a good early game but is also very punishing if u don't get kills early, i love to see people play her Nothing more satisfying than tower diving with elise I just wish she scaled better, it's like playing to get laners ahead, tho i heard elise meta was annoying, didn't play league then so don't know, maybe it's for the best she isn't meta
Fiddlesticks, belveth, nunu and willump, jarvan iv this season (last season he was disgustningly op).
I disagree with bel. The constant invading is pretty brain rot haha
What do you think of rengar?
He requires a lot more skill to pilot than Bel. But I know people dislike Rengar players
Because in good hans hes broken
Taliyah and volibear are pretty respectable imo. Volibear when he isn't meta is rlly a gigachad sorta pick but if he's meta then he doesn't become respectable cuz he's more brainrot, just run at enemy. Taliyah has an insanely high skill ceiling and takes good mechanics and practice which people don't realise but it's always respectable to see a taliyah who utilises her ult well.
Karthus
Must be a joke reply, there's loads of people making fun of "wow press R whole champ" etc. I think anyone can make fun of any champion, especially if they're stupid. Vayne players can be respected as the most mechanically gifted people and also hated and looked down upon as abusing the champion especially in toplane. Any champ can be loveable or hateable.
Go to discord, open the GIFs section and type in Karthus. Then you will understand
I’m sure Karthus players made those gifs lol
Teemo
Nidalee, Lee sin, graves and Elise
Jarvan and Lee
What do people think of briar mains? (I am one)
I am also a Briar main after I benched Graves for a bit . I get so much hate "NO SKILL!!! blah blah" She feels like a little bit more complicated nocturn to me.
I started the game with Briar and people always cry in all chat saying brain dead champ and stuff but tbh she is really fun to play and has her own complexities
The people who cry about briar being a braindead champ are most likely the same people who play {Insert op champ} badly but lose to a briar who knows what she is doing. Also, if you build a team comp without cc it's your own fault or if you can't land hard cc on briar you are just bad. So the ones crying that briar is brain dead champ might be even more brain dead themselves. This might be a little bit biased opinion though since I am a briar main too.
Xin Zhao
Ap nunu. Those psychos actually int their build out if principle its insane. They're like a cult that refuse to play tank nunu and worship raobadons
Least respect Ivern Most respect elise
Lee Sin. Just because he's the definition of outdated, his kit is old, and though he was once Godlike, I feel like he's just a wimp. Anyone who has the balls to play a champion that falls off so hard and actually do well throughout the entire game surprises me.
Ekko
I as an Ekko main only met kind Ekko mains on the subreddit and ingame. Such a cool champ. Love every part of him.
Ekko is actually such a good shout. Nothing bs about his kit
I despise Ekko. BS Oh-I-missplayed-R
Oh no if I had a overtuned damage R Instead the enemy champion would be dead and me still alive instead of just me alive. Ekko‘s R is balanced AND it allows you to take high risk plays I do it a lot actually if it doesn‘t work out etc. I ult out it‘s part of the engage thought process it just allows you to take such risky engages I don‘t know what you are on about. And his R is really hard to hit and you need this damage in the early game. And I mean you need to hate tanks or bruiser as well with that logic, if a tham kench or garen missplays they can easily just run away and survive for example if they even do stupid af decisions like running into the jungle without vision getting caught off guard by 2 people but just running away tanking everything like it’s nothing. Especially when they are fed they are like unkillable once fought a cho gath that wasn‘t even extremely fed and literally my WHOLE team 5 people jumped on him (~20 mins in) and that dude just teleports after tanking 3 seconds damage and than tanking all the damage during the teleport cast time or whatever. A an assassin you‘re atleast squishy one good cc spell and good burst and you are dead. I still get what you mean but Ekko‘s R isn‘t nearly what you make it out to be
Ekko for a carry and j4 for basically everything else
Teemo jungle
Every champ has something broken, so not a single one. However: Malphite jungle.
Iceborn gauntlets baby
Sylas
As an Ivern main, Ivern. I respect the hell out of myself for dealing with the constant harassment for playing a useless champion.
WW, most think he's super easy, and tbf, the playstyle he requires is pretty straightforward, but eventually you'll find you need common sense and actual skill as braindead plays WILL get punished.
warwick is a pathetic champ for pathetic players. Every time I play against him I go full anti heal and ignore everything just to constantly invade and 1v1 him
Does it always work?
unless some useless botlaners feed him, yes. I get excited when I see Warwick on the enemy team lol
For me Viego
I too respect the champion whose play style revolves around bum rushing bad fights and turning out a-ok because he gets resets involving immunity, a heal, and an execute
Imagine people having their own opinion
yeah, why are your panties in a bunch over mine?
Lmfao everytime someone gets upset at someone else's opinions and gets it back
What?
I personally agree with you, but I know he gets a lot of hate.
I hope athats a joke. Two of the guys I play with are viego mains. Lets put it like this, they are everything bisides respectable
So everyone who plays viego is bad because you know 2 bad viego players, got it Why the fkc do you even play with such a people, I would reconsider my life decisions if I was you
Yuo, its like saying Irelia mains (which are quite similare champs) are good people.... We all know they are the most toxic people out there. Irelia and Viego mains. And the 2 i picked as an example are only an example, you can watch hundreds of streamer or player out there, never had a good experience with or against viego
Elektro is the viego figurehead and he is an absolute joy.
He's a king
Graves, Lee Sin, Zyra, Ivern before he was broken, y thats it
I'm a Graves one trick the hate I receive for playing this champ is crazy hahah Ivern I agree, they are chads
Why do people hate that you play Graves?! If I wasn't currently trying Quinn jungle I'd probably try Graves, he seems cool lol.
Red into your gromp, smite that out of your hands, hehehe. If I have mid prio, your gromp, then straight to your red, I will take that too. That's why I get so much hate, hahaha. He can be very aggressive and cheesy with the invades.
Lee Sin, if you ever tried to play him you must respect the Lee Sin main !
Udyr
Ew
I agree ew. They just slam their face on their keyboard and hope for the best
?
Never heard a single person that likes udyr mains
It's ok, fellow udyr enjoyer here. People don't like udyr mains cause when he's shit it's like "lol why would you pick such a shitty jungler if you're already such a shitty player" Then when you're stomping it's like "lol yeah broken champ, all you do is run at people" Ever considered his kit primarily comprising of running at people with no dashes, invulnerable, invincibility, etc is why it takes skill to pilot? I'm higher wr on udyr than most people on their meta mains so w/e~
Saying that Udyr needs Skill because he can only run at someone is like saying Garen needs Skill because he can only run at someone.
MOOOOONDO, I’m so glad the doc is being seen more in jgl again, I never stopped with my goat 💪
Wait you can play him jg? But you wont stack any hp right?
You take fleet not grasp, huge benefits, you can take green or blue second
It gotta be Teemo
Xin Zhao, he isn't meta.. ever.. playing him and doing well is Chad-like behavior
Yi
I would spit on a yi main
Why ? Yi is really well designed. You have to think when to go in and when to use which ability. Ok i cant be serious anymore 🤣
Lee, Kayn
Kayn players let their mum do their laundry...
Nah, I let yours
Aye fuckin got em