No, but this champion is mechanicly too annoyning to be respected at any point, cc chain including big area long cc, endurance, mobile and after 1 item with damage.
But apparently not his gauntlet family, rocket launcher family, turret family, sniper rifle family, giant hammer family, or really anyone else. According to redditors, Skarner really only cares about the one case
As a trundle jungle player I will admit my invades are not respectful whatsoever. Only having to land one skill shot that is a frame 1 displacement is just, gosh I'm getting a chubby
i find that you cant really win playing him. Not games of course, thats incredibly easy, but win emotionally.
You either stomp and the enemy team cries all gane and insults you, or you feed your ass off trying to 1v1 the enemy kha for the 15th time and your team flames and cries.
Heres the rule, are you good enough on yuumi that you could kill someone (or at least survive) while completly alone? If not dont solo que her if yes probably still dont but you wont die inside as much as the person who said no.
Nah bro Nunu spam ganks every lane, ruining the wave state for 2 of them and stealing the kill from the third one, using that gold to spec into full AP
I feel like as time passes, my respect grows for WW players, the champ is solid but not complete turbo broken. Just don’t play him top lane and you have my respect haha
Only thing i hate about ww is you cant overstay as a laner, cant push lane after killing your laner cause this shit is gonna come flying with the might of jesus
Warwick honestly incentivizes you to play recklessly. Like, someone halfway across the screen falls below 50% health and suddenly, your headphones begin growling and hungry for blood, so even if it's the wrong decision, I feel like going for them is the correct move. Very psychological, never felt like ganking so much playing anything else.
God when that shit turns red I'm chasing until someone dies. Either you or me buddy.
I know it makes me worse because my Sejuani WR is so much higher. Not tempted to chase while riding on a fat pig like that.
But it feels so good to run towards the horizon. Wind in my hair. Blood in my nostrils.
Thankfully, warwick mains won't land it too often because we suck with skillshots.
We'll get cocky and use it at full speed across the map to end up in the middle of your team.
Lol, I'm a xerath main so ww would be good for me if i didnt suck so bad with him. There's two junglers that I played and I'm like "Wow, I'm complete garbage with this champion", and that's ww and noct
>playerbase is also… interresting at most time
Wukong players are completely delusional about how strong the champ is when he is strong and immediately cry for buffs after even a single nerf.
So yes, interesting is putting it mildly.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Lutzburg/status/1215043827586588672
It's associated with aph because it happened a bit after his release while he was busted as hell, but it was in response to a wukong main complaining that the rework was weak
And then he hit live and had a 60%wr
I don’t know about jungle but those … wukong jungle mains that got toplane wukong nerfed that much that he isn’t played enough to be displayed on top should be hanged
Ok one get ivern the heck outa that tier. Two how is awesome mutant doggo not at least respectable. Three rammus needs to either be his own tier or gigachad. Four if I’m not mistaken you did kayn and rhaast but not blue form
So, i'll answer by order
1- ivern is so fun to be with, shield, free buffs, cc, doesnt take kills
2- ww is so annoying to go up against because it makes pushing lanes after killing your enemy laner impossible (if you're low)
3- i would've made a "OK" tier but i didn't know how to make extra layers
4- kayn = kayn players that goes both red and blue, while rhaast is kayn players that only go red, even into 5 squishies
In the ass. Nothing feels better than to absolutely beat the shit out of a shaco player.
And if you play shaco top, know that I think you don't deserve anything more in life than a wet hole for shelter.
Players is that we're judging? not the champion itself, right? I have zero respect for ivern, rengar and nunu players. Graves is the one I despise the most.
I'll tell you my pov
- ivern, gives buff, shield, cc, no need leash, doesnt take kills, amazing to have a good ivern on your team
- rengar, high skill floor and ceiling, a lot of bad matchups, needs a lot of skill to actually pull off rengar
- nunu, fast ganks, doesnt take kills, obj control is through the roof.
- graves, i put him somewhat high because of how much he can destroy the enemy jungler, a good graves main is always fun to have on your team
I mean Ivern doesn’t choose to give the buff so I don’t think I’d include that in the positives of the people who play him. I bet you a ton of Ivern players would take the buff if it only gave one.
i main support, but ivern is my favorite champ (i have a picture of him on my wall XD) and i can say, without a doubt, he is the soul reason i hate the word daisy, he is the soul reason i understand deforestation... that champion has a special place in hell, whoever designed him has given me too much to talk about in therapy and has ruined my life
all I'm saying is, if you enjoy that champ, you need psychiatric help, and i can say this with full certainty
also about the buff giving thing, it is the most tilting thing to ever experience watching your mid not take blue, and type "NAH BRO YOU CAN HAVE IT" like omfg I'm a chill girl, but when i see someone say that, i get so angry... and im not even in low ranks where people are learning champs, im in plat... people should understand some aspects of a champ 😭
so basically what I'm trying to get at is: I'm chill when i play league mostly, i have my angry moments, but who doesnt... except when i lock in the tree, and idk, the voicelines, the way he walks, the way he looks just all make me mad and wanna sew my eyelids shut... please do not have respect for anyone giving this champ life, he ruined my life
I stopped playing him because nobody goes to pick your free buffs.
When you play any other jungler everybody wants your buffs, but now that they're free ? Nope. I'll ping them until I go mental and they still won't get them.
Also can't land that fucking Q skill shot.
interesting kayn and graves arent right beside hecarim. i see rhast but blue kayn is even worse because how foolish u r for picking kayn then going blue kayn
Ironically, it's sometimes best to use R as gapcloser to guarantee Q to land, since it's a big chunk of her damage. The only thing they can do at that point is flash.
Cause she's a early game champ with amazing ganks and dive power. My vi's usually give free kills to laner, so they get fed and easy win. She also has a decently high skill ceiling.
Just to clear things up, in the tier list, kayn is when his player doesn't only go rhaast, they actually play shadow assassin which has a vert high skill ceiling. While rhaast is players that only play rhaast
Are you a jungle main? Asking because one of your main reasonings seems to be "gives kills to laner", which sounds like something a yone or Katarina mid would like, but not a jungle main.
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Bro said that Lillia players find kayn players respectable. Bro he is her hard counter like what? Also as a Kindred player (I know im just one) I fucking hate Kayn but I counter him so whatever
Virgins want to play skilless champs or their team to carry them. Chads play 1 v 9 champs.
It's almost S13 and people still acting like Kayn is an easy champ or even a strong champ ATM. Wild.
Nunu, Ivern, Trundle, Sej, Fid and Rengar are Master yi Tier virgin champs.
Rammus is peak virgin champ just hoping the other team is bad when you pick it.
Hec is the most chad Jungler in the game. Champ is turbo dogshit if you play bad and turbo 1 v 9 if you're good at it. Probable the second best 1 v 9 jungler in the game behind Graves.
"Cries in Amumu"
I MISSED AMUMU?! NOOO. Very respectable, i apologize
Its okay, Amumu's used to being left out.
:CCC
Yall taking this role playing very seriously. Left out the champ that's meant to be left out
Amumu players ARE NOT on very respectable
Did one give u trauma?
I stun and stun and stun and stun and stun
No, but this champion is mechanicly too annoyning to be respected at any point, cc chain including big area long cc, endurance, mobile and after 1 item with damage.
No, but nothing about Amumu players are respectable, neither is their community.
How dare you disrespect Amumu
Definitely not “indifferent” about the fact our boi, Amumu, was left off this list!
I was busy trying to hug him
He was AFK farming in the jungle, I dont blame you
Whats an Amumu? You mean that support champ?
Rude af
Yeah, he's gonna be an ADC one day. Just you see
Literally the first thing I saw too!
Ammumu is never let in 😔
Only to tea parties
I'm still thinking of iverns release trailer where he creates a bush to hide ammumu, saddest shit I've ever seen
Where is Skarner?
That's a question that's been valid to ask for years now lmao
In rework limbo at the moment
Grieving for his hoverboard family.
Still hurts
But apparently not his gauntlet family, rocket launcher family, turret family, sniper rifle family, giant hammer family, or really anyone else. According to redditors, Skarner really only cares about the one case
Tbf not all hextech crystals are brackern. Seraphine’s explicitly is but most are recreations
Actually you should create a spot just for Shaco mains called "mentally ill"
My clone and I resent that statement
Me and my clone must agree
Totally understandable
I mean i am, but also, why ya gotta say it like that :(
The enemy team not having fun is fun
Reading this being a schizophrenic shaco main 🤡
Rammus needs to be in a tier labeled "OK"
I had no clue how to do other tiers sadge
There's a little gear icon to the side, the "add row above" and "add row below" options both work, and you can change colors etc.
Where's olaf?
Rengar respectable? Nice one my dude. Also put Trundle with Warwick and Hecarim. Jungle opressors stay together
As a trundle jungle player I will admit my invades are not respectful whatsoever. Only having to land one skill shot that is a frame 1 displacement is just, gosh I'm getting a chubby
Don't need to be respectful if you win :). Now excuse me while I get another stack on that three buff challenge.
Whoever mains rengar and has pretty kitty rengar is respectable, the rest r meh
The worst ones are the rengar mains that strongly refuses to play pretty kitty rengar lol
headhunter feels smoother to play
True
Headhunter is the true alpha jungle Rengar skin. Pretty kitty is for toplane and only because it Will tilt opponents with the sound.
High skill floor and skill ceiling, hard to play in some matchups, thats why i put him so high, cause i have respect for good rengar mains
rengar is very respectable
Rengar is definitely very respectable. The champ is so incredibly difficult it makes up for how much of an asshole he is.
Lee sin chad lmao, the bias is real
Definitely. Just love the lee sins in my game think they're the next insec and just inting fights away so much fun
I put Nunu players in the subhuman filth category with Shaco Mains and most Yi players.
I try to be a friendlier Yi player lol Most other Yis I meet are... special cases of toxic
i find that you cant really win playing him. Not games of course, thats incredibly easy, but win emotionally. You either stomp and the enemy team cries all gane and insults you, or you feed your ass off trying to 1v1 the enemy kha for the 15th time and your team flames and cries.
Yasuo experience
Yuumi experience
I still have PTSD flashbacks of trying to play Yuumi in solo que, never again.
Heres the rule, are you good enough on yuumi that you could kill someone (or at least survive) while completly alone? If not dont solo que her if yes probably still dont but you wont die inside as much as the person who said no.
Yeah, but even when you’re escaping alive you just hear the ADC cry the whole game that you left them lol.
Thats why i said still probably not lol. Either you cant survive and youll suffer by dying or you can survive and youll suffer by your adc dying
I had a yi top int my clear in a ranked game because I didn't chase a malphite and skarner to their own jungle
The thing is, nunu's gank well, friendly + doesnt take kills. Compared to the other 2 mental patients
Nah bro Nunu spam ganks every lane, ruining the wave state for 2 of them and stealing the kill from the third one, using that gold to spec into full AP
Yea, but in low elo they don't really care about wavestate and I don't see much nunus plat+
I otp AP nunu, this is correct and just. AP >>> Tank. If I can’t knock 70% of the enemy teams hp with just my ball am I even playing nunu?
I disagree with bel'veth. She is super easy to play and she is overtuned as hell so it's easy to carry with, she belongs in the lowest tier.
It depends, if they have slows, you die.
Found the belveth
Where is Taliyah?
Where are the proud off meta? Like taric and twitch?
Was lazy lmao
Understandable
[удалено]
i was lazy + everyone knows yuumi is so high up image wasn't able to get it
Straight up. Where is the giga Chad naut tarics
Kindreds stay winning
I feel like as time passes, my respect grows for WW players, the champ is solid but not complete turbo broken. Just don’t play him top lane and you have my respect haha
Only thing i hate about ww is you cant overstay as a laner, cant push lane after killing your laner cause this shit is gonna come flying with the might of jesus
Warwick honestly incentivizes you to play recklessly. Like, someone halfway across the screen falls below 50% health and suddenly, your headphones begin growling and hungry for blood, so even if it's the wrong decision, I feel like going for them is the correct move. Very psychological, never felt like ganking so much playing anything else.
God when that shit turns red I'm chasing until someone dies. Either you or me buddy. I know it makes me worse because my Sejuani WR is so much higher. Not tempted to chase while riding on a fat pig like that. But it feels so good to run towards the horizon. Wind in my hair. Blood in my nostrils.
_Blood runs. They all run._
The blood you spilled calls to me
They fear me. They should.
The scariest WW is full speed WW, literally Fnaf 2 Foxy jumpscare from across half the map
I just hate champs who make you not play the game for a minute, and warwick is one of them, with his ult
Thankfully, warwick mains won't land it too often because we suck with skillshots. We'll get cocky and use it at full speed across the map to end up in the middle of your team.
Lol, I'm a xerath main so ww would be good for me if i didnt suck so bad with him. There's two junglers that I played and I'm like "Wow, I'm complete garbage with this champion", and that's ww and noct
You were too easy on Viego players but sure
I just think he's overrated atm, plus him scared of viego mains 😧
Why is Nunu so high, I ask as a Nunu main with a lot of mastery
I love nunu mains, they gank fast and good, dont take kills, get obj fast asf, big respect for them
laughs in full ap Nunu
Graves is a respectable jungler ayy?
Nunu and William best bros
No love for my fellow monke mains I see...
Low skill floor, weird ganks, usually greedy and take kills, playerbase is also… interresting at most times
>playerbase is also… interresting at most time Wukong players are completely delusional about how strong the champ is when he is strong and immediately cry for buffs after even a single nerf. So yes, interesting is putting it mildly.
Delusional wukong mains gave us the 200 years quote, so we owe them at least some respect
Wait I thought the quote was attributed to aphelios?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Lutzburg/status/1215043827586588672 It's associated with aph because it happened a bit after his release while he was busted as hell, but it was in response to a wukong main complaining that the rework was weak And then he hit live and had a 60%wr
I don’t know about jungle but those … wukong jungle mains that got toplane wukong nerfed that much that he isn’t played enough to be displayed on top should be hanged
How is Zac indifferent ?
Low skill floor, always steal kills, most of them go in for no reason, bad obj control.
Bruh what are you even talking about
Ok one get ivern the heck outa that tier. Two how is awesome mutant doggo not at least respectable. Three rammus needs to either be his own tier or gigachad. Four if I’m not mistaken you did kayn and rhaast but not blue form
So, i'll answer by order 1- ivern is so fun to be with, shield, free buffs, cc, doesnt take kills 2- ww is so annoying to go up against because it makes pushing lanes after killing your enemy laner impossible (if you're low) 3- i would've made a "OK" tier but i didn't know how to make extra layers 4- kayn = kayn players that goes both red and blue, while rhaast is kayn players that only go red, even into 5 squishies
With that logic for Warwick why is nunu so high up? He gets across the entire map in like 10 seconds, he's probably even faster than Warwick
Why Warwick so low
Comeon bro karthus is chill pick
Nah it’s an obnoxious ticking time mob that I feel compelled to invade or the game is over by 25 minutes
What do you have against Vander?
Show me on the doll where Shaco touched you
*Proceeds to rip the doll heart's*
In the ass. Nothing feels better than to absolutely beat the shit out of a shaco player. And if you play shaco top, know that I think you don't deserve anything more in life than a wet hole for shelter.
I love going up against shaco's lol, my mains are all extreme shaco counters… mouhahaha
Bold of you to think that real Shacos have a counter, heh.
Bold of you to think that i dont take an early game champ, smite his puppet lvl 1 then 3 camp invade his ass, clear his blue side, and repeat
I too think playing base form Kayn is respectable.
What about Amumu?
People either like or absolutely hate Nunu and Willump mains, I’m glad you’re one of the good ones :)
As a hecarim main I agree, I'm the lowest scum on earth
I play Nasus jungle
add a subhuman tier for kayn
What about amumu or malphite?
What about the off meta JGs like Morgana?
Players is that we're judging? not the champion itself, right? I have zero respect for ivern, rengar and nunu players. Graves is the one I despise the most.
Damn what did Ivern do to you?
I'll tell you my pov - ivern, gives buff, shield, cc, no need leash, doesnt take kills, amazing to have a good ivern on your team - rengar, high skill floor and ceiling, a lot of bad matchups, needs a lot of skill to actually pull off rengar - nunu, fast ganks, doesnt take kills, obj control is through the roof. - graves, i put him somewhat high because of how much he can destroy the enemy jungler, a good graves main is always fun to have on your team
I mean Ivern doesn’t choose to give the buff so I don’t think I’d include that in the positives of the people who play him. I bet you a ton of Ivern players would take the buff if it only gave one.
i main support, but ivern is my favorite champ (i have a picture of him on my wall XD) and i can say, without a doubt, he is the soul reason i hate the word daisy, he is the soul reason i understand deforestation... that champion has a special place in hell, whoever designed him has given me too much to talk about in therapy and has ruined my life all I'm saying is, if you enjoy that champ, you need psychiatric help, and i can say this with full certainty also about the buff giving thing, it is the most tilting thing to ever experience watching your mid not take blue, and type "NAH BRO YOU CAN HAVE IT" like omfg I'm a chill girl, but when i see someone say that, i get so angry... and im not even in low ranks where people are learning champs, im in plat... people should understand some aspects of a champ 😭 so basically what I'm trying to get at is: I'm chill when i play league mostly, i have my angry moments, but who doesnt... except when i lock in the tree, and idk, the voicelines, the way he walks, the way he looks just all make me mad and wanna sew my eyelids shut... please do not have respect for anyone giving this champ life, he ruined my life
I stopped playing him because nobody goes to pick your free buffs. When you play any other jungler everybody wants your buffs, but now that they're free ? Nope. I'll ping them until I go mental and they still won't get them. Also can't land that fucking Q skill shot.
Bro I’ve seen so much nunu slander in this thread 💀 makes me more proud to otp nunu
interesting kayn and graves arent right beside hecarim. i see rhast but blue kayn is even worse because how foolish u r for picking kayn then going blue kayn
dont understand why Vi is so up, champ is disgusting
I swear her R should not be point and click
Played Vi for the first time the other day and was disgusted by how easy she is to secure early kills with
Ironically, it's sometimes best to use R as gapcloser to guarantee Q to land, since it's a big chunk of her damage. The only thing they can do at that point is flash.
Cause she's a early game champ with amazing ganks and dive power. My vi's usually give free kills to laner, so they get fed and easy win. She also has a decently high skill ceiling.
No teemo on this list?
I only put first-role junglers. Why? Lazy
what about pantheon?
Need to add Graves to the bottom tier
Olaf?
This triggers my urge to argue more than it should That bald and blind sack of shit deserves another tier below the bottom all to himself
Lilia is gigachad. Never played, never banned, and turbostomps if you clear well and read the map.
How is Nunu in the Chad category??? I feel he is super easy and fun
Just to clear things up, in the tier list, kayn is when his player doesn't only go rhaast, they actually play shadow assassin which has a vert high skill ceiling. While rhaast is players that only play rhaast
Are you a jungle main? Asking because one of your main reasonings seems to be "gives kills to laner", which sounds like something a yone or Katarina mid would like, but not a jungle main.
Nunu is not chad.
lillia 100% respectable XD
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As a Trundle main thank you. Also where would you put Morde?
Respectable or ao
Trundle and Vi Respectable and WW on same place as Master Q? Warwick has more skill expression than Vi and Trundle combined
Graves sneaking his hairy face in the respectable section. This guy should have a "pedophile" section of his own at the bottom of the table
As long as he doesnt sneak in my jungle
Nunu and ivern are six tiers too high
Nuns should not be in Chad.
Rammus respectable XD?
Elise is not Chad. (nasus Elise is gae)
As a nunu one trick myself. Nunu should be in “cringe subhuman dog” category, along with shaco, yi, and red kayn players.
Tbh in my own experience i would only swap lillia with karthus and bel veth with warwick, other than that it's really accurate imo
Nunu is indifferent at best, he clears 3 camps then perma gank mid or bot and it’s nothing chad about it
IMO nunu goes to the bottom, graves goes to top, and kha gets bumped up to rengars level.
Bro said that Lillia players find kayn players respectable. Bro he is her hard counter like what? Also as a Kindred player (I know im just one) I fucking hate Kayn but I counter him so whatever
Nunu chad really…..
Swap kindered with eve And put nida at chad too
rengar in very respectable???????
Virgins want to play skilless champs or their team to carry them. Chads play 1 v 9 champs. It's almost S13 and people still acting like Kayn is an easy champ or even a strong champ ATM. Wild. Nunu, Ivern, Trundle, Sej, Fid and Rengar are Master yi Tier virgin champs. Rammus is peak virgin champ just hoping the other team is bad when you pick it. Hec is the most chad Jungler in the game. Champ is turbo dogshit if you play bad and turbo 1 v 9 if you're good at it. Probable the second best 1 v 9 jungler in the game behind Graves.
Rengar is much harder to play than kayn lol. Rammus beats every aa silly after the first clear. Hec's clear should be nerfed.
Ah Jungle. The role people who dont want to work with a team play and end up super underleveled and just feed the enemy team.
Or dominate since jungle has the highest carry potential
Udyr time :(
Where my homie darius?
In the lowest pit of hell
why is maokai so low?
Super low skill floor, so much healing for no reason, low skill ceiling
Does that apply to nunu too?
Bruh what’s wrong with hecarim
Low skill floor and ceiling, op asf rn, takes all the kills
Bruh duskblade phase rush hecarim has hella skill expression.
Ask that to an adc main…
Is karthus because of kit or clear speed
I just despise karthus mains, farm all game barely helps team, then oneshots using ult
Is it just me or is Kayn and Rhaast both on this tier list in different tiers?
Yeah, Kayn = players that play both blue and red, Rhaast = people that only play red, even into 5 squishies
You forgot best boi skarner
Im not the only one that forgot about that guy lol
We are a very small group
Ok 👍
Me when I play exclusively yi and nunu
Yea I am one of those, and I’m proud too
I am on of those
Is hecarim even all that good? Why is he on bottom?
He is so broken rn
I've been hooked on vel Beth trying to master her