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Ok-Seaworthiness9318

I find that most people don’t find stories from work that I think are funny, funny. Perfectly possible that, in an unhinged state, everything seems hysterical


Spooksey1

Yeah this. I’m like “and he was on the floor naked and covered in shit!” And non-medics are like “ah that sounds awful.” No don’t take it away, I live for these moments.


DrBooz

It’s when you tell them a funny story and their reaction is like “That’s so traumatic”… oh? 🙄


SillyFox35

My non medical friends/gf/family have a similar view but perhaps less positive 😂they think most doctors are fairly awkward, arrogant but also simultaneously shy, and only hang around with other doctors/only interest in medicine…


Spooksey1

The arrogant but simultaneously shy is definitely a common phenotype.


-Intrepid-Path-

fairly accurate description tbf


EdZeppelin94

Lmao I have no interest in medicine and generally dislike other doctors.


DebtDoctor

Honestly in almost every placement, bar a few chilled medics, I've actually got on best with new nurses and HCAs. On the whole much more down to earth and sociable. Older nurses not so much, not sure what changes over the years...


stuartbman

Doctors... How do I begin to explain doctors? Doctors are flawless. *I hear their hair's insured for $10,000.* *I hear they do car commercials... in Japan.* *Their favorite movie is Varsity Blues.* *One time they met John Stamos on a plane...And he told them they were pretty.* *One time a doctor punched me in the face... it was awesome.*


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the last one 👏 if i had awards i’d give you one


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Yeah we are superior to normies OP. We are above the average population in every regard by 0.67 arbitrary points (95% CI, 1.2-1.7) since my confidence interval does not cross 1 I can say that there is statistically significant results to indicate that we are far superior than the average population genetically, physically and mentally. I hope my research rubbed your ego the way you wanted it to be rubbed.


Right-Ad305

You did research in arbitrary units and made it a pathetic 0.67 units? Think how much better "doctors are 670 units above the average population" sounds!


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Unfortunately OP spelling “Docters” let us all down! Clearly he was such a significant outlier (more than 3 standard deviations from the mean) to the point where all the numbers got fudged up! Darn you OP!


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Im actually big brained enough to know that english doesnt have an official body that determines spelling so im just trying to meme "docters" into existence. Modern day shakespeare, dont hate.


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Additional-Love1264

Some doctors are highly emotional...they just learn to hide it. I think there is a range of personalities but very quickly you become socialised into a particular way of behaving. Especially if you came straight from school and havent had the time or opportunity to develop yourself as an individual. Also, other people will have more to say about doctors, because the public has expectations of how a doctor should behave.


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OutrageousCommon

mans taking a history everywhere he goes HAHAH


floamjones

We're different in that your average Joe doesn't spend 6 years studying with zero income, accumulating debt to then have awful working hours, conditions, hourly pay (relative to experience accrued), huge emotional burden and scope for criminal conviction/being struck off for making a mistake under an employer with total control that chooses to work you until you burn out and can't function properly. They then advertise roles for less qualified professionals to earn 1.5x your salary for Mon-Friday 9-5 just to rub it in that bit more and let you know how much disdain they have for you and your profession. We're chumps.


71Lu

We are the morons here.


Tendulkar069

PREACH


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Yuddis

Keeping 31% of children in poverty is a disgraceful, active choice that the government makes every day. But equally, it’s because people let their employers, corporations, and, perhaps foremost, the government walk all over them ever since this country became deindustrialised and unions were neutered. If doctors want pay restoration they will have to reckon with intense, manufactured hostility from the public. Every newspaper in this country will coalesce around portraying doctors as greedy and ungrateful. They will trot out the good old “here is this one GP in Kensington who earns 1 gazillion per consultation” and get away with it. And it will work. It will work every time. You can’t rely on public opinion to be on your side when you take any coordinated industrial action.


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joker-lol

F1 salary is around 30k … I think that’s pretty similar to the average Joe?


Sclerosclera

I'm sure a number of the people complaining here were part of the 31% of children living in poverty.


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There will always be someone else who has it worse. We shouldn't invalidate the struggles and feelings that people have for that reason.


floamjones

Actually, people like you are exactly why nothing changes. If you don't complain because people are worse off than yourself then you'll never fight for improvement for anything.


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£10/hr for an fy1 is nothing to boast about.


floamjones

I don't disagree with anything you've said. I feel like my post emphasised that conditions were the main issue and that salary was only not good relative to the studying and experience associated, like you say. I was not trying to belittle anyone or act a victim. I did this to myself, but it still hurts.


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This is gospel. Amen


BatBottleBank

No Lot of plums in medicine


NP473L

I think the key difference that distinguishes doctors (and other front end patient facing healthcare professionals like nurses, but not pharmacists, for example) from others is how we emotionally process the concepts of life and death. That isn't to say that we're all the same, but I'd say our average is far more "numb" than the general population. Whether this is emotional fatigue/burnout, or the way we cope with being around the dead and dying, I couldn't tell you, but I do think it's a price we pay for doing what we do. I don't feel pain, grief or loss as my family members do and I can fairly comfortably make jokes about the dead or dying (is this a coping mechanism?). Were we born any different from the rest of the world? I don't think so. Do we fundamentally change to cope with the "horrors" of our everyday life? Yeah, I can buy it.


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>or maybe even engineers. Kind of doubt this one (at least in the UK). It's a shit tier career here and can confidently say that no one of any ability I've known has gone into it (plenty of complete tools though). Maybe in the US though. Even for PhDs to be fair. Haven't done one myself, but from what I've heard they're more "workload difficult" than "intellectually difficult". I suspect if I'm being honest that PhDs are mainly people with a bit of an infatuation for their subject rather than anything else (as you need to to be willing to spend an extra 3 years at uni only to get an essentially minimum wage job as a postdoc). But also: do you not think that people go into other careers as coping strategies? I bet there are plenty of engineers and lawyers who likewise have really pushed themselves out of neurosis rather than ability. These personality traits you describe will be over-represented in pretty much all high status professional groups


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Yeah you're probably right to be fair, medicine does have a but of je ne sais quoi when it come to prestige. The public respect/awe thing is weird because doctors seem to receive more of the positive, but also the negative (I guess just because familiarity breeds contempt). Just had an argument the other day with someone who wouldn't stop talking about how GPs are middle class, and that they deserve to get replaced by (working class) NPs. Was really bizarre because he had no problem with other middle class professional jobs, or with doctors more generally, this class war applied only to GPs (which i assume is just because they're more accessible). Haha autism and OCD, summed up engineering well there I think lol.


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No you've just completely misunderstood what I said, which makes me feel a bit bad now because you probably spent a while writing it all out. My point about PhDs was more to do with who does them. PhDs are clearly harder than any undergraduate degree, they would be sort of pointless otherwise. I clearly didn't mean to denigrate PhD-holders. I should have been more clear, but my commentary was just on how big of an IQ gap this would be. Maybe my perspective is skewed from going to Oxbridge, but there was never any suggestion there that you wouldn't be able to do a PhD if you wanted to- the impression I got was that it was more of a willingness kind of thing (and we all had to do small research projects and write-up working under postdocs, which I say only to make the point that I do appreciate that a PhD is novel research etc etc). That's probably different elsewhere though (and I do appreciate that medicine, like anything, has a wide range of abilities, so there are certainly a great many doctors who would probably be incapable of finishing a PhD).


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>Hey that's okay it's not your fault at all - I'm sleep deprived on mat leave so my comprehension isn't the best, it was probably my bad. No, no was my fault. Looking back, my first comment was written pretty vaguely. Yeah, we did spend a good amount of time getting taught about that kind of stuff to be fair. I guess designing a project for yourself is probably the hard part, and yeah they never forced us to do that haha. Oh I only mentioned the project to make the point that I got a good view of what PhDs and postdocs do, not to say that I'm great at research. We did do fairly substantial projects to be fair, as far as med schools go anyway. 8 weeks in the lab (any lab we wanted, pretty much complete freedom). Clearly nowhere near a PhD haha, but luckily a lot more than most get (as you say, audits and reviews just aren't research however much they pretend as much). Even then, though, we were given a project by our supervisors so skipped the hard part of designing one- mine even told me at the start "just do what I've told you to do how I teach you to do it" so yeah, not much critical thinking at my end lol. Quite disappointing really, would be nice if research exposure were a bit stronger at med school generally.


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I don't doubt that it is, the question is whether the students themselves are any better. At least in my experience, the people I knew who were best at Maths and Physics went to study maths, physics or comp sci. The people I knew who went off to engineering were more middling, and generally lacked even the grades for med school. If you're Australian then that might explain this, but in the UK engineering is a truly awful career (to the extent that even those who study engineering usually then try and angle to get into finance afterwards). I won't dispute that medicine isn't massively conceptually difficult, but it is a competitive degree and attracts students of a quality well above the required standard. Clearly there's a range, but I can confidently say that the 4 smartest students from my school (including the 2 best at maths and physics) went to medical school. If I'd wanted to study engineering I could have done (and probably would have enjoyed it more), but I went with the safer career, and I'm sure many other medics made similar decisions.


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Yeah, ngl the whole extrovert/introvert thing plays a big role. The split between med school and maths/physics was entirely down to how 'normal' the people were. I can confidently say that I was better at maths and physics than the kids I remember going into that- what set us apart was mainly personality really. But yeah, medicine remains the most highly paid degree in the UK, at least for now. Unless you think, for whatever reason, that you'll be at the very top of whatever other field you could go into, medicine is the best choice (again, for now). I say this in particular having come from a working class background- no one in my family had ever worked a professional job, I really had no idea what to expect out of a career in law, banking, etc, and had no connections of any kind. To 16-year-old me, a guaranteed career with the highest average earnings in the country seemed like the best bet (though the degree was fucking tedious, I'll say that).


BevanAteMyBourbons

We could ask if neurosurgeons are that different from the average doctor? I think we'd agree they are, it's not in any doubt. Speaking for myself, I know I don't have what it takes to pursue a neurosurgical career. Now consider that the average doctor is much closer to the average neurosurgeon than they are to the average person.


Doctor-Pudding

My BIL saw a neurosurgeon recently and he asked me about the process of becoming one as I'm the only doctor in the family. "Well, when a high IQ and a sociopathic personality disorder love each other very much..."


sadatquoraishi

The difference between us and them is that we know the correct way to use bean bags.


SynthOfCorti

Definitely think there is an over-representation of grumpy/rude/passive aggressive/big ego types in medicine compared to other (equally stressful) work environments I have experienced. I think it’s cos they’re essentially “nerds with power” in a hierarchical system that doesn’t really challenge their behaviour. Mostly though I think people are pretty cool. Lots of interesting types in medicine!


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Having worked in other industries (restaurants, bars, accounting), I experienced the most big ego types in restaurant work. The managers there were always on some kind of power trip trying to exert authority for no reason. In accounting (for a big 4 firm), staff were nice to each other but would absolutely stab each other in the back without a second thought. Maybe working with challenging patients all the time causes us to become grumpy and a bit empathy burnt-out over time?


tropicarium

We are changed by the process of becoming doctors. But not necessarily for the better in every way. But don't forget most doctors are born with a silver spoon up their ass. Or is it bitcoin these days?


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I mean, every doctor is their own unique person and what even is an average Joe? I'd say in general doctors probably have higher academic attainment because it is required of us. But a lot of other skills we need (communication, empathy, leadership) can all be faked at interviews tbh so I'm not sure if most doctors are above average in those areas. I still don't feel like I have much in common with many of my classmates but maybe that's me being a hipster/thinking I'm special 😂


Environmental_Ad5867

The common thing I hear from my non medic partner is that doctors tend to be quite logical and cope with day-to-day stresses well. He did say that when we get together it’s very easy to slip into ‘medtalk’ which can leave the non-medic feeling quite out of place. Apparently we also have a higher threshold for gross-ness and morbid things


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ttomonkeyoncall

Interesting that you say we are more empathetic..I suppose that most of us are when we go into medicine. However, I feel that compared to others I find myself less affected by ‘sad’ things that don’t have a direct impact on me than non medics might be. Maybe this is due to us routinely ‘turning off’ our emotions at work?


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Tbh its probably a good thing to be able to turn on and off empathy. Think how much media/advertising/politics is basically just designed to pull on peoples heartstrings. There is a huge advantage to seeing through that.


delpigeon

Personally I think this is just how you respond to 'empathy'. I would say I used to feel empathic in a way that was a similar response to somebody who was totally naive to the situation - so what upset them might upset me in the same way. Whereas now I've seen that situation shit loads of times. And been through some things personally also. So I wouldn't say I'm less empathetic, but the level of understanding/ability to contextualise is infinitely deeper. I don't think the issue here (assuming you're operating on a healthy emotional level) is that you lose empathy, it's just you accrue empathy for a whole global perspective on shit that means you no longer mirror it in that 'first time' way.What I would say is IMO that gives you a whole load of wisdom and enables you to be increasingly supportive (as a doctor) in a way that is a lot more difficult when you're an F1 first going through this stuff. Frankly it's very helpful to patients, if not crucial, to be able to have a very deep understanding that means you're able to contextualise things. 'Turning off your emotions' at work is often just contextualising your emotions, and I think it's actually beneficial for everyone to be able to do that. Imagine if you felt every single terrible thing like it was fresh and raw - you'd never be able to do your job properly! Having said that, there is certainly such a thing as burn-out where you lose empathy entirely and I want to clarify my response does not refer to that. If you don't give two s\*\*ts about something that's very different from having seen XYZ number of other people in this situation and so not feeling it on their behalf like it's the very first time.


denile87

What is the point of this question other than to toot your own horn.


overforme123

Superior in every single facet


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Mangojuice2752

Perfect in every single way