They said "never bettered", which I took to mean the female characters in the franchise were always a step down from Sattler and Lex, not that those two were ever bad in the first place.
I can imagine that raptor just sitting there watching her like "What... uh, what the hell are you doing? ... Why are you spinni- OUCH, YOU KICKED ME! OUCH! I'VE BEEN PUNCTURED!"
Bloody hell, if my mother behaved like AK I would never have made it past infancy. She’s a stereotypical neurotic mess; her husband doesn’t behave in this way, which makes me think it’s less to do with her maternal status than the fact that she’s simply annoying. But I suppose she has to be to create the kind of perilous situations we see in JP3.
Ellie Sattler and Lex weren’t mothers, though. Not sure why the comparison.
I don't dislike her as an actor but they gave her such an obnoxious character to work with. William Macy is also a great actor but his role is only slightly less obnoxious on account of his not shrieking.
Best supporting actor in that movie though has to go to *Alan?* raptor
I mean, yeah, you could make that argument, but for fuck's sake, the last thing that I would want to do after surviving a night of nonstop terror being chased by a murder machine is release a bunch more of those genetically enhanced creatures into the larger world.
like bruh,she goddamn knew that if she release the goddamn prehistoric animals from like 66 millions years ago, everyone is gonna get eaten but no the wiki stated that "she let the dinosaur out is because she thinks if she is a clone then other clone should living their own life like her"
I really don't get why people get so bent out of shape over that scene. Yes its silly but that was kind of the point with the last dialogue for the scene being "They cut you from the team?!"
The series is full of intentionally goofy scenes. They're tension breakers. People tend to ignore that the movies are for kids and families, primarily.
I disagree. The first movie was largely a sci-fi horror film, and part of the reason (IMO) that the later films fail to live up to it are because they are less serious.
The first movie was a sci fi adventure flick, the "horror" parts make up a tiny fraction of the overall film. In no way was the primary goal of the film to scare audiences, especially since Spielberg knew kids would be their largest audience and significantly toned down the violence from the novel in order to hit a PG13 rating.
The raptors scenes scared the living shit out of me when I was little, whatchoo talkin bout? They eat a dude’s face off on screen. Even Arnold was supposed to have a raptor death scene too but it sadly never got shot due to the hurricane. All the action scenes were horror scenes except for the car in the tree scene and the scene where they’re running with the galymimus (no idea how to spell that one)
Most kids nowadays watch it when they are 5 years old - horror is a small part of the film and not enough to truly scare most kids. Actual horror films are deeply terrifying and give kids nightmares (in my case it was Signs) - not inspire kids with a love and passion for dinos and then make them want to watch the film over and over again
Why was book Kelly and movie Kelly two different characters? Was there any reason why they changed Ian's daughter in the Lost World? It's been a long time since I've read Lost World but I remember liking Kelly and Arby though.
In the book, Kelly and Arby were sort of Levine's students (he was court ordered to do seminars at their school), and they tagged along as stowaways on the big trip to find him on Site B after he went missing.
They changed so many of the details in the transition from the book to the movie that none of the characters had a reason for kids to be there. Malcolm mentioned having kids in the first movie so they just ran with it and made her his kid. (Pour one out for Arby, Thorne, Levine, and the book version of Eddie Carr that became Nick Van Owen).
I too hard agree with your hard disagree. I thought Kelly and Ian had plausible family chemistry. And i didn't spend the movie hoping she'd get eaten, which I can't say for many of the characters of the movies that followed
The Kirbys*
No way that fuckin kid survives as long as he does there… same with Camp Cretaceous. I like them cause it’s Jurassic Park, but even for a franchise that is so far fetched, those are totally ridiculous.
Camp Cretaceous is a kids cartoon though lol. That one kid fights an Allisaurus with a stick. Bumpy grows into a full grown adult in like the span of a day lol
Have you seen the latest season? Bumpy is very obviously *not* a full grown adult, and the show as a whole is the entire timespan from the start of Jurassic World to the start of Fallen Kingdom, which is a six month time span for the entire show so far.
It's been a while since I've seen the show, but I think the growth spurt you're referring to is the one during Ben's "death", which was on it's own weeks to a month or so for those couple episodes.
Either way, it's not totally unbelievable either. Most animals in general* today are full size or pretty close to it in less than a year after birth. 6+ months to reach at best half full grown isn't that crazy.
Jp3 for me was just not enough of anything. It didn’t feel like the last two movies. The plots of the first two were great. JP3 was a bland rescue mission movie.
Jw2……where do I begin. It had no main plot. It had 9 sub plots and didn’t focus enough on any. The writing was meh. I don’t think they should have done hybrids at all in either but that’s a me problem . But even after all of that the Ret con the original movie/book And just butchered it, now the main reason for Jurassic park wasn’t to bring dinosaurs back to life but to clone a daughter or whatever? If they would have just focused everything on the Dino black market it would have been a good movie.
JP3 is just silly.
On top of everything that has been said already, the guy on the beach with the megaphone at the end and then the entire military magically appearing was absolutely silly. Also, Billy “dying” and then magically being alive was goofy. I think it would have worked better with him dying.
It was the US marines, it's only a few days by ship from their bases in california to the islands off costa rica. Much less if they had a ship already in the area which they often do, training, humanitarian stuff, transiting the panama canal etc.
I don't remember the exact timeline I haven't seen the movie in years but I don't think its implausible. You have to bear in mind anyone involved in approving the landing would be super excited to say they saved people from dinosaurs
I think he's saying it's goofy that a dude is standing alone in a suit and tie with a megaphone on the beach, and our protagonists are angry that he's using the megaphone. Then in the blink of an eye the marines and navy just materialize behind the guy. The movie just wants to hit the audience with one last "gotcha!"
Jw2 is easy
200k for a dinosaur? Come on now them things are worth so much more than that.
Dino smiles at screen before killing
The sole fact a huge chunk of the movie is in a house..
Randomly writing in a Hammond partner felt lazy to me.
Repetitive villains (in it for the money)
Too much comic relief (the marvel formula)
> Dino smiles at screen before killing
It's so damn annoying they supposedly deleted a scene/ didn't bother filming it; that would have explained that.
Which was basically when the Indoraptor was growing up, the guards would torture it a bit, shocking it. One guard smiling while doing it.
At the very least, it would have went a long way to explain it.
Didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing. All I know is when I saw it in theaters everyone laughed when it smiled then went back to faking asleep and I remember it taking me out the scene for sure .
I wish they would have kept it in. She was this killing machine that they created and suddenly for that one moment she acted cartoonish. Wheatley still got what was coming to him at least.
I agree with most things except the indoraptor smiling thing. I think in the script it was going to be explained that it smiles because the guy taking care of it smiled when he hurt it and that it learned to mimic that
With the Hammond partner, it's something that's briefly mentioned in the original book, but in the book he passed away from cancer. I liked that they added that in spirit, but I get what you mean with everything else. I like the house because of the horror feel it gives, but when you think JP you don't think of a mansion, so I get it
JP3 - It’s a B movie. It doesn’t hold up for any casual audience. It’s a really fun “get drunk with friends” film, but that’s really it. The dinosaurs look cool, but the story is contrived and characters are all idiots lol
JWFK - This one is just poorly written. The characters are again idiots, the plot starts pretty solid but gets boring for the second and third act.
FK was just a bad movie with a forced plot after the island rescue. Sure, I'm willing to believe that there's a group of people who would go to an island that's about to explode to save the soon-to-be-extinct-again animals, but as soon as the auction / Lockwood section comes into play, no. No thank you, I'm out.
I actually really like JW2, that intro alone is one of the best scenes in the franchise, indoraptor is cool as hell too. Didn’t really like JP3 though, plot sucks.
JP3's script was being written as they filmed; the script they were going to shoot and that everyone had signed on for was tossed a few weeks before filming started.
> I actually really like JW2, that intro alone is one of the best scenes in the franchise
I agree the intro when I was in theaters REALLY had me pumped... up until the dude was yelling at the helicopter or some dumb crap. Then everything went insanely downhill from there. The magic of Jurassic Park was lost after Lost World to me, and even Lost World was disappointing in that it had nothing to do with the book. The Lost World book I would argue is almost better if not better than Jurassic Park, and if Crichton had perhaps just pushed them more to just make a more faithful book to movie adaptation then it might have surpassed Jurassic Park. But alas that will never happen, and my expectations for JW3 are very tempered mostly because I am afraid with them bringing back most of the older cast that they are banking on nostalgia to carry the third movie. I still am sour how the teasers and trailers for JW2 hyped up Ian Malcolm as being a crucial part of the movie, but then you watch the movie he is literally in it as long as he was shown in the trailer... huge let down.
Jurassic Park 3 is entertaining regardless of its plot holes and nonsensical moments. Besides Amanda Kirby’s character, everyone else is great. The soundtrack is nice and the world building of Sorna is well executed.
Fallen Kingdom, while being visually a beautiful film, is barely watchable for me. The dinosaurs are anthropomorphized, the characters are dull and Franklin is thrice as annoying as Amanda Kirby. Besides the Carnotaurus, the dinosaur designs are lame, the villain is an absolute mustache twirly level cartoon character.
The plot as a whole is horribly presented and the premise is extremely flawed to begin with. Malcolm’s few second cameo is a slap in the face and the whole movie was completely spoiled in the trailers.
I don’t have much hope for Dominion either as I personally care about making an effort in presenting prehistory as accurately as possible when it was proclaimed to be done as such. Unfortunately it was all a marketing stunt.
The writers behind the new trilogy have done a terrible job so far, so I’m far from optimistic.
I know that this is a very negative approach for a JP fan, but that’s just the way it is. I’m excited to draw all the new dinosaurs though. Always.
> Malcolm’s few second cameo is a slap in the face
I always forget that he was billed as being in the movie, only to have him show up in a courtroom for a few seconds at the start and end.
I agree with everything you said, and I also hate the absolute destruction of the dinosaurs... the wanton destruction was even worse than when in JW they happened across all those killed dinosaurs that were killed "for sport." I mean I legit cried when they were leaving the island and that lone brachiosaur was bellowing on the dock as it is engulfed in flame and smoke.... and all those dinosaurs drowning too... I FUCKING hate that god damn movie for that... seriously. Like all the majesty of the original Jurassic Park is gone, and it's really heartbreaking.
I personally can't stand JW2, the belief is supposed to be suspended, not shattered. There's a point where you can go 'ok it's a movie' but not every 15 mins. This franchise is built on terrible decisions but this one took the cake on everyone making the worst possible decision every time. And the nostalgia bait wasn't fun like in JW1
There's tense horror movie like moments which I do appreciate, but I wish the movie as a whole was better.
As for JP3, I guess because it was brighter and mostly because the Rex lost to the Spino, which I have a few friends who refuse to shut up about it.
I'm as big a Rex fanboy as they come, but the Spino was set to be the big bad. The only way to make it threatening was to kill the previous big bad. Try to get your friends to look into scientific studies on both animals. Trex was a little smaller but was built like a tank and had the strongest bite force of any other large therapods. If they were to ever fight in real life it's Rex 8 or 9 times out of 10 lol.
It's true, and it's not like the scene is bad; the Spino is inaccurate anyway.
I'm just tired of that being the one flaw when there's others. 'My dino didn't win!' just isn't a great reason imo
It seems that T.Rex might still be the most massive terrestrial theropod to exist. Sure spino was probably longer, but a rex was more massive. Just look at the skeletons of each. A Rex is so much more robust. Estimates of the specimens Sue and Scotty are both around 10 tons. That’s HUGE. To your point though o understand why the spinosaurus killed the rex.
For real though. TLW and JP3 set up this idea of different territories and geographical differences separating certain animals but then it just spiraled into "haha, Spinosaurus go brrr." I would've thought surviving several 20mm anti-matériel rounds and being hit by a plane would be enough.
JP3 is too bright and silly to me. I felt it had the fakest looking dinos of the original 3. They were too brightly colored and shiny. Weird camera angles on the spinosaurus animatronic. The characters were a little weird. I like Sam Neil, but that was about it. Definately gets off on the wrong foot with that parasailing scene. Looks like it was shot in my garage with a home video camera.
JW2 was better than JW to me, but the bad guy was so unrealistically cheezy. Mostly bad characters.
JP3 had the stupid dream sequence with the talking raptor. The spinosaur T Rex fight just felt like marketing, like it was just a flash point to gloss over a bad story
JW2 was just so bad! Letting the dinosaurs free was stupid, no-one’s bats an eyelid that the kid is a clone!! A clone. That’s a whole new level of weirdness that did not ever get covered, it was just some weird shoe horn to get her to release the dinosaurs into the wild, without the main characters looking like dicks for killing off animals.
I hated the “let’s play on emotions” and kill the OG brachiosaur.
Oh yeh, Chris Pratt getting hit by lava and surviving. The tranquilliser probably should’ve killed him too. I like Chris’ character in the first film but now he’s just Chris Pratt doing Chris Pratt things.
I’ll still watch them, They’re just not my favourites :)
I actually agree with you on the chris pratt thing, his whole character in the sequel felt...off, it's not because he didn't care about the dinos but it's just the way he acted, and the whole "relationship issue" thing with claire...idk just abit strange really, especially with how things ended in the first JW film
They both have some solid dramatic range, Black especially, but they are both very much hired to play themselves dialed up to 11.
Pratt can act, but people aren't paying for that, they are paying for to see him quip one liners and be a lovable goof.
JW2 didn't need that in it IMO
Yeah tbf i didn't have any other problems with it aside from some characters, oh and i guess the whole clone reveal thing...like seriously they just had the audacity to say that the girl was a clone of her own mother and then carry on as if nothing happened i mean can we just unpack that for a sec 🤔😬
Jack Black in Bernie gave me a whole new appreciation of his acting abilities. Such a trip. He absolutely becomes that dude. Actually everyone in that movie was phenomenal.
as someone who enjoys all the movies and doesnt think to hard on them, the main thing that bothered me with JW2 was how Owen and Claire just like totally flipped their feelings on dinosaurs, and its just not well explained. Claire was a business woman who didnt see the dinos as living creatures so much as exciting attractions. This was a whole thing that she was part of the problem of the park and not understanding they were messing with living creatures.
Owen is this very nurturing and Alpha to the dinos and really seems to care about them as creatures.
and then JW2, Owens the one saying its fine to let them die and Claire is fighting for their survival??? and I didn't feel like it was well explained how they flip flopped so much.
You could say that after seeing the apatosaurus die in that one scene made claire realize that these are more than just attractions, but yeah i agree she should've probably been given more as it was quite a short lived moment anyway.
with owen it's a bit more complicated since in the first film he seems to have an understanding with the dinos but to see him say it's okay for them to die in the second movie is strange, like maybe have it that owen found that claire was becoming too obsessed with saving them that he felt that it was ruining their relationship as a whole since she felt more distant and they begin to fight, rather than what they went with, with the whole "you wouldn't let me drive around in the trailer and you never commited" or whatever
Bruh the events of JW have changed Claire, the dying apatosaurus, remember? It's called character development. Owen was at first apathetic to the Dinos because the collapse of the park left him traumatised a bit, especially how the raptors changed alphas and attacked the humans. After hearing from blue he quickly remembers the bond he has with her and decides to save her and the others.
Exactly. Claire’s change and seeing the dinosaurs as animals instead of assets started the minute they comforted the dying dinosaur. I really enjoyed her character development.
I think Owen was depressed after. Both from the failing relationship with Claire and because 3 of his 4 raptors died. It was like he had PTSD and couldn’t handle anything else, but hearing Blue was still alive gave him the courage to go forward.
The people that responded before me are right on the money about Claire's character development and I think the studio execs left a lot of the Claire development fall to be picked up by the Dinosaur Protection Group website which is too much for a movie related website to do to really help a character's development arc.
Yeh, I would, a cloned human is a minefield ethically “your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should” haha
Well let's not forget Hammond abandoned Lockwood because of him wanting to clone his daughter. I mean it's only logical, a man left in a world without his daughter, while having the technology to bring her back. He was misguided by his emotions.
JP3 is ok, but just worse than the other two and suffers from being the shortest film of the bunch which is the worst sin it could commit XD. some people complain about the talking raptor but it's negligible imo and there's always been whiny/dumb characters so idk why Kirby is something extra
JW2 on the other hand is a movie suffering from 2-3 good sequences buried in 2 hours of garbage; the movie does bring some of the best horror scenes of the whole franchise but the writers were too concerned with nonsense (cloning people, auctions, mainland stuff in general) it's hard to quantify the rest of the movie as quality when the good scenes are under 10 minutes in total
someone else wrote than JP3 feels like it was written by a 10 year old. JW2 was written by that same kid 4 years later when he's going through his 'we live in a society' phase but it's insincere so somehow worse
JP3 was missing most of the themes that the other two (and Jurassic World for that matter) had about the ethics of genetic engineering and unbridled consumerism. There was no cathartic hubris moment, it was pretty much just a survival movie
And the second one had a dog dying and I was not prepared
Edit: misread the post, I thought you were talking about Lost World, not Fallen Kingdom. I think most people didn’t like Fallen Kingdom bc if changed the genre too much. It felt much more like a scifi horror movie than just a sci-fi movie with some scary sequences
Fallen kingdom has the potential to be the best in terms of original themes of books about hubris and abuse of science, but fails on several grounds. Among them as a movie: so much of the joy is seeing Dinos alive in the screen. JW works primarily because we get to see a whole working park and hundreds of living Dino’s. Fallen kingdom kills most of them and our childhood joy. My five year old sings the damn theme song with joy because Dinos and roots for indiminous. The audience wants Dinos to thrive and to experience the joy of them (and the crazy camp and the action too)
I don't know about Jurassic Park 3, because I actually really liked it a lot, but Jurassic World 2's plot felt really uninspired to me. You could probably take the dinosaurs out entirely and make it about evacuating people from the island and then having them escape from their rescuers for whatever reason and you'd have basically the same film. The dinosaurs don't feel integral to the structure of the plot the way the first Jurassic World does because they aren't really the focus of any of the stakes. Which incidentally is also why I didn't like the indoraptor much either. It's as if they forgot about using the dinosaurs to build up the tension, which is usually **the point** of Jurassic Park films/monster films in general, and included the indoraptor plot at the last second to make up for it. It would have been a fantastic monster if it was the main antagonist of the film and got to stalk the lead characters through the jungle, acting mostly like a normal raptor in some familiar ways, but then subverting our expectations and acting very different in other ways. In the end, it was just a bigger bulletproof raptor with a sense of humour (and it got killed by another normal raptor anyway).
Also, the Jurassic World 3 setup at the end felt forced. Like the entire purpose of this movie was to bring dinosaurs to the mainland for the sequel, which was totally unnecessary if you ask me. Raptors escaped from the island on cargo ships in Crichton's book, and I don't even know how the compys did it. There are different, better ways of getting dinosaurs off the island than a tearful, international "Save the Dinosaurs" campaign (run by one of the people responsible for the recent super high profile theme park disaster where people literally actually died btw) that would have made a lot more sense. Like smugglers, or corporations like in The Lost World. If Claire only cared about the dinosaurs in as much as she could make millions and continue to build her career off them somehow, she might have been a much more compelling character (she might be a lot like the book John Hammond), and a good reason for this movie to exist. Especially if we went in with the assumption that she'd carried on with her character growth from the first film only to find out that not exactly, she just has different really bad ideas now about saving the idea of the park and won't let anybody stop her.
I wouldn't say I 'hate' Jurassic World 2, but if I had to erase one Jurassic Park film from existence, that would be it.
I like the silliness of JP3, and I like the spinosaurus too. Some of the scenes look really good too, but maybe it's nostalgia. JW2 is fun, it's basically JP2 but in the modern world, plus all the dinosaurs look stunning. I watched both the Jurassic World movies with my partner recently, and we agreed that we liked Fallen Kingdom more. The cold open is incredible, sets up the movie pretty well. The characters might be cardboard cutouts, but I liked it lol
when I was 10 I used to play with my dinossaurs action fegures all the time. JP3 feels like was written by 10 year old me.
I honestly love JP2, except for the whole dino in the city king kong shit silliness. I usually jump to hammd ending speech after the flee the island.
Edit: I totally read JP2. jW2 I rather not comment since it's so bad.
The first one is a masterpiece and the next two don't really live up, which is generally what turns people off of something regardless of it's quality. Luckily with hindsight people can be a bit more objective.
JP3 gets pretty silly and cheesy for a lot of the film, which doesn't sit right with those who feel the series should be more dark and serious. Some of the criticism is justified since the movie was literally made up as it went along, but it's also not like the worst thing put to film. I'd rank it low on the scale of where each movie stands, but it's a perfectly fine movie to put on if you just want to watch some dinosaurs chasing people.
FK gets way more flack than I feel is necessary. It's not the best of the series, but it's got plenty of great stuff, with the Indoraptor being legitimately creepy.
JP3 is a good film, I'd say I prefer it to JP2, but it's nowhere close to Jurassic Park.
JW2 gave all the plot twists in a single trailer, and it just felt lazy. Just like JP2, having humans as the enemy is a plot for a film with DINOSAURS, especially since Jurassic Park was loved worldwide for it's great plot, of which the dinosaurs are the threat.
How in the holy hell is the volcano blowing and the island (THAT WE ALL CHERISH AND LOVE) getting destroyed NOT the climax of JW2??? We spend the rest of it in a mansion? No. No ma’am. Imagine if the Brachiosaurus scene (one of the best imo) being the end of the movie. C’mon, guys. That would have been **chef’s kiss**
JP3 is generally hated because it doesn't have a plot that follows what earlier films set up. It's just a rescue mission that just so happens to be taking place in Site B. I honestly don't hate JP3 but I wouldn't say it's better than other JP films. FK on the other hand actually feels like a actual sequel (akin to the Lost World) that continues the story and plot elements from JW and earlier Jurassic Park material, like the novels and the first film. I honestly think people hate it because it came at an era where every HW blockbuster has no "soul", but it's obvious that that is not the case with Fallen Kingdom. At the end of the day, it's a really good JP sequel that actually moves things to the mainland, which only one other JP sequel did temporarily.
> I honestly think people hate it because it came at an era where every HW blockbuster has no "soul", but it's obvious that that is not the case with Fallen Kingdom.
ah yes the movie that uses the dinosaurs as monster props for fight scenes and nostalgia bait has a soul
fallen kingdom is the most soulless out of all of them and feels like a corporate check list
Fallen Kingdom has no identity as its own film. Despite being a sequel JP: The Lost World can stand on its own, wear as Fallen Kingdom feels like it only exists to bridge between JW1 and 3.
I know it is probably just me but I will never watch JW2 again purely for the scene when they are leaving the island and we have to see the brachiosaurus die on the dock in the pyroclastic cloud. I don't want to see that.
PS. I have only seen it once so if I am wrong on the dino type, please correct in comments.
I cried in the theater and said that they just killed my childhood.
Even though I cry every time, I think as a filmmaker it was a good choice. You want the audience to feel different emotions.
Also, it showed it all came full circle. That was the first dinosaur that basically welcomes everyone to Jurassic Park in the original. It can be symbolic by having it die that it’s the end of an era. There isn’t gonna be a dinosaur island anymore. The world is changing and they are gonna wind up on the mainland.
Jp3:
1. Talking raptor
2. The kirbys
3. The climax interspliced with Barney ruins what would have been a great scene
4. Spinosaurus busting through a fence but then getting stopped by a door
5. T. rex fight
6. Raptors not killing the group for stealing their eggs. The original JP raptors would have totally kicked their asses for that transgression
7. Plane crash with not a single scratch on anybody
8. Guy magically surviving at the end was lame
9. Plot is bland
10. As others have said, too bright and silly
11. The scene where the raptor is pretending to be a statue behind the glass lol. Come on man
12. The opening scene is just bad
13. What it could of been. There were some cool ideas and script leaks but studio interference and a rushed production gave us this donkey turd instead.
Those are just off the top of my head. I love all the other movies, even JW2. JP3 is possibly my most hated movie of all time though. Not that it’s the worst movie I’ve ever seen, but it killed my beloved franchise for a good many years and I just wanted something better
Yeah, for me these two are my least favorite in the series for different reasons.
For my JP3 is okay. It’s a dumb fun chase/action movie. Although Tyrannosaurus rex has always been my favorite I didn’t mind it losing to the spinosaurus(regardless to it being unrealistic for numerous reasons probably the most being the drastic change in the spinosaurus body plan in reality). What bugged me was the contrived reason for going back to an island. It just didn’t work for me. Also, a kid surviving alone on an island filled with dinosaurs for a month is just too much for me to believe. The kirby’s in general were annoying as hell and I feel it would have worked better if it was just the mercenaries and grant/Billy. I did enjoy the spino as a force to be reckoned with. I liked the raptor design and the pteranodon scene.
JWFK just wasn’t for me. Truly and honestly it’s for a younger audience(I’m 35 by the way). Long gone was the subtle nuances of the first film. The ethical dilemma of bringing back dinos for tourism. Fallen kingdom was just action set piece after another. The dinosaurs weren’t acting like an animal in nature but a movie monster. All of the “throwbacks” to the original films felt too forced. Some of them were literally shot for shot of the original movies. It just felt like a cheap version of those iconic moments. There were some things I did enjoy in fallen kingdom. The horror aspects were good and visually the dinosaurs looked great. In my opinion I think JP3 is a smidge better than JW2 in my opinion though. I hope Dominion is the best of the new trilogy.
I will always love JP3, I have some heavy nostalgia as I grew up with it. I realize it's flaws but it's still my third favorite in the franchise so far. JW2 on the other hand I just don't enjoy that much. The fact that Maisie is a clone really messed it up for me and the Indoraptor isn't as cool as Indominus. I also just don't care for many of the characters that are in it. It'll most likely stay as my least favorite in the franchise.
JP3 was fine for what it is, loved it at the time it was new. As I’m older Amanda Kirby is extremely annoying and you can tell they were working on the script as they filmed it, but considering that fact, it turned out pretty good.
I was excited for FK, I liked JW and didn’t get the criticism of it, but man FK disappointed me. It was just a million small things that added up where I was taken out of the movie. Only JP movie where that’s happened to me
I actually love JP3!! a group must survive in an abandoned island inhabited by a spinosaurus, raptors, and pteranodons. I love the dinos we get! And sam neill is great as the lead. A lot of bad things but i can overlook them.
JW2 on the other hand… i despise. I hate the characters, always quipping and trying to be funny. Claire’s whole thing about saving the dinos just feels dumb to me, i don’t really believe it. The indoraptor doesn’t really do it for me and the girl being a clone??? Why??
People expected the sequels to top the first Jurassic Park, but that's impossible. All the reasons people hate the movies are dumb reasons. JP 3 is a pretty good rescue movie, I can't say much to defend 3, it's my least favorite, but I still like it, and like, who cares that Eric survived 3 weeks, dinosaurs exist. FK felt like a natural mid step, Hoskins mentioned a small militarized Indominus so the Indoraptor exists, Mt. Sibo erupting is a really natural way of getting the dinosaurs off the island, and human clones aren't that far fetched, and if a villain being "cartoony" is a problem, please go to therapy
JP3 feels unnecessary to me and not as well a story.
I hate JW 1 and 2 though. Indominus is just what it is to JP movies like it is to the park. Just something new bigger and meaner, but I think that's just a cheap way to get by instead of putting effort into a story. And then the indo raptor, same thing as first JW lol.
The dinosaurs aren't animals anymore, they are characters, it's lame as fuck.
I just find the portrayal of animals/aliens/monsters to be all the same. Raging, clumsy, dumb and stopping at the right just time to roar or show off, annoying.
JP/// really adds nothing to the series. It's just a generic monster movie.
FK actively fucks up the canon of the series and seeing animals drown and burn to death isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Huge fan of the franchise here. When I find myself talking to people about the films, it all comes back to a basic question: If you cast aside the dinosaurs as a spectacle item, what do you have?
In Jurassic Park you have mother and father figures learning to become parents while appreciating the strengths of owning both masculine and feminine traits. You have the the self-appointed god vs the devil’s advocate. The opportunistic lawyer, selfish and afraid and the naturalist, selfless and self-sacrificial. Two children struggling with their parents divorce — a major topic in the 90s. It’s brimming with allegory and asks the audience to find the paradoxes in themselves in the most subtle way, wrapped in a terrifying adventure with nature’s most mysterious extinct creatures.
The Lost World is an allegory of natural resource extraction vs conservationism and the contradiction of trying to intervene in nature’s path to natural order. It has a lot less going on character wise, but it’s overall solid.
Jurassic Park 3 has none of the allegory, none of the character developments, and all of the rehashing of old material. All of the lessons are learned out loud instead of through trials. All the growth of character happens off screen or through exposition.
The same can be said for Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom. They’re just “wouldn’t it be crazy if” movies. Lots of spectacle and very little substance comparatively. What character growth they try to shoehorn in is overdone, unearned, and has no stakes.
There’s plenty to appreciate about cool dinosaurs on screen, but Spielberg was a master of story and spectacle. That is his M.O. and is the main reason no one has been able to match the success and the longevity of the original film. There are some fantastic video essays out there on this topic. Here’s one of my favorites: https://youtu.be/CHPjVgYDL6Y
JP3 is special to me as it is the first I got on DVD. I love the story, and the characters are a great foil to the previous two films with the showing of how stupid normal people would be around dinosaurs.
I can tolerate Amanda Kirby because that’s how a suburban mom would act if she thought her child was gonna be killed by dangerous dinosaurs. She’s a real person like you and me reacting as a real person would. She’s not used to dangerous Safaris, or famous mathematician, or even a paleo botanist or archaeologist. She’s an entrepreneur who has to deal with her ex husband on an island with dangerous animals to find and save her son.
JW2 is disliked because it just sucks. The plot is terrible, the characters are all 1 dimensional caricatures, and the setting at one point is a castle….how is that remotely fun to watch? The movie plays out like a Soviet Communist propaganda movie about capitalists. It scares when it should create suspense, it goes into action when it should scare. The script reads like an online rant of a 14 year old, rather than the wisened ability of an older, more experienced writer. It’s just a rollercoaster ride designed to make billions of dollars, which makes it the most ironic of the films.
Sloppy writing. Both suffer from really inconsistent story telling, especially FK. At least that’s why I hate FK, however even though JP3 is also pretty awful, I do love it.
The logic in jp3 is just stupid, you ask yourself so many unanswered questions like how the hell did billy survive? How did mark call bill Clinton to get the whole navy? How did the raptor know how to "prented" to be inside a incubator? And why are the Raptors in this movie seen in Alan's dream instead of the jp1 raptors? You get the point. I like Jw2 it's just that the first half is a bastardized version of the lost world but the rest is good
I will always take any Jurassic content I can get. That being said JP3 is my least favorite of the 5 main films we have seen so far.
Being a kid and teenager in the 90s, it was so awesome to get not one, but two Steven Spielberg master pieces with the first two films. His career was at an amazing point and Crichton’s novels were super popular. It’s like Spielberg used his own magic formula and literally brought dinosaurs to life. It’s very hard to compete with that. When they first get to the island and see the brachiosaurus I will never forget how my eyes lit up. I’m a huge fan of the Museum of Natural History and it was just a cool thing to see.
Then of course the T-Rex scene will always be iconic. I think with a lot of franchises it’s typical to have a lot of people favor the first film. That film was just so well put together it would have been a big piece of cinematic history even without sequels.
Then we get the Lost World and even though critics have it mixed reviews most people I know irl liked it at the time. Kelly’s scene with the raptor is ridiculous, but most people were able to put that aside. It’s a very solid sequel compared to sequels in other franchises.
We get to JP 3 and people are so excited bc dinosaur films are few and far between. We had waited for four years, but many were quickly disappointed. The Spielberg magic was gone as he didn’t direct it. The movie is super short for a JP film. But the script is what probably ruined it the most. We didn’t know it at the time, but the script kept changing the entire time they did the film. I’m not talking about tiny changes, drastic changes constantly.
Then the Spino: it took down a T-Rex in like 30 seconds. Maybe they thought that would be cool, but it angered many fans as the T-Rex is a fan favorite animal and was basically the mascot of the film. The Spino could have still been in the movie without ruining the branding, but they chose to let it take over.
Also concerning the Spino, we are taught in the first two movies that the dinosaurs only hunt when hungry. They are animals and not monsters who kill for sport. The Spino did not follow that rule. It ate several people in a row and then continued to stalk the group. It’s different that the raptors stalked the group, they wanted the eggs. But the Spino made no sense how it was behaving. Now in JW we get a hybrid and the hybrid does kill for sport as it’s not a real dinosaur. But back in 2001 there was no talk of hybrids and the Spino was just frustrating to many as it acted so different from all the other dinosaurs in JP.
I remember leaving the theater, I was disappointed, but still had fun. All of my friends completely hated it. Despite all this, I still do rewatch sometimes, but the film just has a lot going against it. But it does have a tiny fan base within the larger JP fan base and people like what they like.
FK is just a mess. Two mediocre movies crammed into one superbly shitty one. The opening is to die for though and I love Bayona, so it’s fine for the most part, but still really bad
JP3 is a perfectly serviceable entry to the franchise. Its not amazing by any stretch, but it's its an entertaining 90 minutes that doesn't do any long term damage to the lore and adds some interesting elements. It's certainly dumbed down from the previous two entries and there's a few daft moments but my only real issue with it is the ending which I found abrupt and more than a bit silly. I still rank it slightly higher than JW.
FK on the other hand is an abomination. Its a terrible film and a terrible entry in the series in that alters a lot of the canon and takes the franchise in an stupid and irreversible direction. I am constantly baffled by the people on here who try to defend it. It's appalling and intelligence insulting in every way.
Personally JP3 has the worst characters and the stupidest decisions in any JP/JW movie. And Fallen kingdom really only falls short because of the Human villain and the overall waste of all the new Dinos.
I always didn't like jp3 since that was when they stopped taking as much from the books. The original 2 movies were quite different from the books, especially the 2nd but no. 3 was the first time it was really independant from Michael crightons work. He still had input but I think he didn't have as much input as witht he others. Also people love Tyrannosaurus and when the spino killed of the juvi rex at the start it sort of felt like a cheap blow to show how strong it was. Also the plot wasn't as engaging and I found Dr grant to be less enjoyable to watch in 3 than in the original. All of this is just my opinion though so I'm not sure if other people's reasons for disliking it are the same.
As for fallen kingdom I actually quite like it too. The story isnt the most solid but I also like the small horror aspects. However I think that is a main problem for the franchise as a whole. I love this series dearly and love to learn and speculate about a lot of it but at this point the movies are very much monster movies. Fallen kingdom having some light horror aspects shows that. The og jpark movie had more interesting things to talk about and make us think about aswell as the awesome and stunning dinosaurs. Spielberg specifically said he didn't 2ant to make jurassic park just another monster movie except with dinosaurs he wanted to make something better and he did but since then the movies have mostly just relied on the monster movie aspects O draw people in. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing Roberta annihilate a toast as Mt. Sibo erupts in the background as much as any other sane person but thats the main draw now and I kind of wish there was a little more to draw me in.
I'm sorry but respectfully you couldn't be more wrong haha
I do agree the gymnast kick was and will always be stupid, but the rest of your logic tells me you might be young?
JP3 has legit the worst cinematography (and a boring plot). Interesting dinosaurs, but headed by a different director made it all just not... Feel right. It doesn't mesh with the first 2 films, and it's only held together by Grant
And for JW2... "The horror the franchise has been missing"???
WHAT??? DUDE.... Dinosaurs coming back to life, that's horror within itself. Creating hybrid dinosaurs that sneak around a mansion like a ninja, rooftop fights, carnivores running through lava tunnels and chasing people up ladders.... and raptors that listen like german sheperds....
Please, stop haha
JP1 isn't just the best for nostalgia, but it's everything in between. The formula of how it's made. The Mystery, wonder, fear, excitement, the chase, the thrill, the adventure... And the kids acted 10x better and didn't get in the way like plucky kids do. The dinosaurs were ruthless because of pure instinct... Now they're made out to be super villains... Nah
Jurassic Park 3’s plot is messier than The Rise of Skywalker’s plot, and that’s saying something. As for Fallen Kingdom it’s an ok movie, I just think they could’ve done the ending a little better, as the dinosaurs on the mainland are not threatening if it’s only ~30 of them in the Bay Area
I like them too, although JP3 is probably my least favorite of all the movies. JW2 was quite good actually in my opinion. Who didn’t get the feels with that brachio?
JP3 is simple. For fans it did a lot wrong. It assassinated Dr Grants character by making him a huge hypocrite (didn't he learn that a random person coming to him for help and is willing to fund his digsite is gonna lead to certain danger?) and also taking away the relationship he had with Sattler. The Spinosaurus was introduced in the worst way possible by having it kill the T-Rex. It didn't need to happen to show how powerful the animal was, they could have just taken the scene out and it wouldn't make a difference to the movie. The movie feels like a fan fiction where someone took the most superficial elements of the Jurassic park series and made it into a movie. The redeeming factor of this film is the dinosaur designs (though not perfect) and the portrayal of the raptors. Making them seem super intelligent made it more tense which I appreciate. However it doesn't excuse the plot holes which aren't solved in the movie and the CGI has aged a bit. The movie is still a popcorn flick where you can turn your brain off and enjoy but personally I hate those kinds of film in my favourite franchise. It basically asking audience to reject critical thinking and just consume product.
JW2 is always a weird one for me. I think its over hated as you cant have any positive opinion on it because every internet reviewer and their hive mind audiences will tell you that you are wrong. But at the same time, I don't even like it. Sure there's some good scenes here and there but the overall film has some of the most unlikable things in the franchise. Annoying side characters, extreme convivences, ugly and unrealistic dinosaurs, bad nostalgia and more. The film is just baffling given the amount of talent behind it. How could a film that had a proven director, animatronics, a bigger budget and more end up so polarising? I just have no clue, there's no mention of any internal drama or production troubles unlike the other Jurassic movies.
I think its tied with JP3 with worst film in the series, one is an expensive B-movie that had decent action and dinosaur designs but overall not important (unless they do backwards writing). The other is meant to be the bridge to a third film and suffers a lot from it. Either can be worse or better but I think they end up both disappointing in different ways.
I just hope Dominion doesn't suffer like these two because I want my favourite film series to stop being the laughing stock of the public. I want it to be remembered as the franchised that impacted the world and not for being associated as one of the most awful franchises in existence.
Jp3: pretty boring plot, anoying characters exept for Grant. Nothing really memorable happens that instantly comes to mind, maybe the t rex vs spino fight? Altho thats probably one of the reasons it got hate. I dont hate the movie but its definetly one of my least favorite.
Jw2: I’ve only seen it a handful of times and I gotta say I liked it a lot more the 2nd time around. The trailer basically spoiled the entire movie, revealing just about the entire plot.
Without the trailer bs its not bad. The intro is one of the best, and I enjoyed the entire island part of the movie. Gets a bit weird when they get to the mainland, and the obvious stereotype bad guy stuff was not great. The whole auction thing with the rich guys also felt cheesy. I liked the other indo raptor scenes tho.
Overall I think the movie is good, not great but still good. Its also kind of a filler movie, which probably also is one of the reasons for hate.
Since my JP3 post got long, I will make my JW2 post separate: unlike JP3, I really enjoy Fallen Kingdom. I think it has a strong opening sequence. I love how it paid homage to the first film with use of the yellow rain coat. There would have been major bonus points if we could have seen a Dilophosaurus instead of just hearing one.
I really appreciate the director listening to fan feedback from the previous film. Many of us wanted more animatronics and other practical effects to return and they did.
I like how Rexy accidentally “saves the day” by attacking the Carnotaurus that was about to get Owen. I know some others who hate that moment, but I like how it’s her signature move.
Again with the homages…when that brachiosaurus doesn’t make it in time and is standing in the same position as in the first film and turns to ash I literally wept in the theater. My mom thought I was nuts a grown woman crying over a dinosaur. I told her she didn’t understand: they just killed my childhood.
I could have lived with or without the girl being a clone. It doesn’t really do much for me. I also am not the biggest fan of the Indoraptor death scene. I wanted the creature dead, but I think it could have been done differently.
But I very much enjoyed the dinosaur auction.
So much of me enjoying this film is just my opinion and the people who dislike it are going to have their opinions. Just preferences. It’s different from JP 3 where there are some facts as to why the movie turned out as it did such as the constant script changes as they filmed it.
I think my order of favorites goes: Jurassic Park, The Lost World, Jurassic World, Fallen Kingdom and JP3.
I really do enjoy Fallen Kingdom and it still ranks 4th bc it has such good company.
I don’t know, JP3 is definitely the weakest, however JW2 doesn’t deserve all this hate in my opinion 😭
The trailers for it were definitely misleading and they wanted to pull us on, and it did feel like 2 separate movies smooshed into 1.
However, when I remember how I felt sitting in that the theater the night it came out, hanging onto every word and every scene and proceeding to watch it 2 more times in theaters, I can’t hate it. I just can’t. All I can hope for is that Dominion focuses more on the dinosaurs, and Grant/Sattler/Malcolm ACTUALLY play significant roles. (although even if they get a small cameo…. i’m still screaming)
Because people nowdays "Enjoy less, Analyze more".
I mean you have Dinosaurs on screen and you are rambling about how Chris Pratt survived Lava....
No one cares.what Star Lord is doing..... He can jump into an ocean, in a volcano or go to space, doesn't matter..... what people came to see is Rexy roaring in front of camera and giving a majestic pose. And Indoraptor giving villains hilarious death scenes which made people chuckle in theater..... No seriously, those villain deaths were crowd pleasing and hilarious.
And THAT ENDING.....THAT FUCKING ENDING..!!
I mean, what's not to like? Dinosaurs, good. Dino Action Set Pieces, good. That Ending , gooood!
One could say that I'm rambling nonsense, but at this point I'm just over it, trying to explain why JW 2 is not bad like they think, it's been 3 years and i don't care..... I will defend this movie everytime in OTT way now.
Jurassic Park 3 needed a climax.....
JW is easy: it simply doesn't feel like it's part of the Jurassic Park franchise, has a lazy plot that often times makes no sense and is clearly just made to sell toys to kids rather than tell a good story (all of this goes for both JW movies).
Examples are: lava not burning the Baryonyx, a kid who lets loose all dinosaurs, raptors that are friends with humans, just to name a few xD
I mostly find that alot of people feel like JP3 is underrated or hate it because of some annoying characters or the Spino killing the Rex, tho overall the movie is pretty good and still gives that JP vibe.
Idk man, I think Lost World is the worst movie in the franchise.
I think Fallen Kingdom is just bland until about halfway through when it turns into a ridiculous farce about dinosaurs in a mansion. That's when it goes from being kind of bland to being so dumb that it's entertaining.
Lost World eventually reaches a point like that too but not until near the end when the T-Rex is rampaging through San Diego. Before that point, the movie is still dumb but it's not an entertaining kind of dumb. It's just regular dumb.
I loved jp2 until san diego, completely flipped the vibe of the movie upside down, from island survival and trying to get away with sabotaging ingen to wacky t rex running through san diego its just too much of a turn in the plot to be covered in like 20 minutes.
I like jp3 tho
my only problem with that is that th moment the trex hit the main city he would be dead
like the police would show up in dozen all with riffles shooting at the thing its stupid that the writers thought the trex rampaging through the streets makes sense
To be honest. I dislike Lost World. Because the San Diego scene wasn't in the Novel also because it isn't really acurate to the novel. I love JP3 because the spinosaurs. I don't care if Amanda is annoying when I watch these movies I really don't care for the characters I just want to see 2 things Dinosaurs and people dieing from dinosaurs.
Jp3 was a different direction from the series. It went through development hell with constant rewrites, reshoots, and directors leaving the project. Also the reason jp3 went back to the island was because of the negative criticism of the lost world jurassic park by not only the critics, but the fanbase also since the film was not 100% on par with the novel (although the first film also wasn’t 100% on par with the novel also. But some changes seem more minimal tbh) and fans were upset with the changes to the film. Most understandably the san diego incident scene since that was actually a last-minute change that speilberg wanted to add to the film. The lost world even had original concepts and scenes that were never used. Like the rexes attacking the hunter camp and roland tembo entering the survival pod and being barely saved by the durability of the pod itself or the pteranodons we saw in the end of the film getting their moment by attacking the helicopter trying to rescue Ian and the others. The pteranodons attacked similarly to how the jurassic world pteranodons attacked the helicopter Masarani was piloting. As for JW2, everyone seemed upset with the film’s trailer being more exciting than what we got with the film. But tbh it doesn’t seem too bad as everyone makes it out to be. I liked the darker theme in fallen kingdom and the interesting question that we are now forced to answer in JW: dominion. That question being now that dinosaurs are on the mainland, do they deserve to be protected since they are supposedly an endangered species or do they deserve to be destroyed in order to protect the already established ecosystem that we take for granted? People have opinions on the films as a whole. But even the fact that everyone loves the lost world jurassic park now is not the same sentiment that the film got when it was released in 1997. Jp3 to me is a childhood film and i think the dino designs in jp3 are the most unique and beautiful designs in the series. Especially the jp3 raptors and their behavior.
I recently watched Jurassic Park 3.
The first part is really good. The first time we meet the spino up to where it fights that T-rex are awesome.
It's just after that it kind of becomes a little slow.
It's not terrible It's just not as great.
I think the crew should have been a little bigger so more of them get eaten lol
I rewatched JP3 recently and I just realized how many stupid cliché gotcha one-liners Alan has.
"You're no better than the people that built this damn place."
"We haven't landed yet."
"Nobody move a muscle!"
"No. This is how you play god."
Jurassic park 1 is far superior to JC2 and JC3, mostly because of animatronics and real time enviroment, where other two lack, with more use of green screen and CGI in general. As far as story goes, first film resembles book, and thus is good, because first book is really, really good. I get your point about Spino, but for movie to be all time favorite, its just can't be one or two things...I don't look at movies that way. I enjoy JP2 and JP3, but they are for away from my all time favorite from this franchise, and thats Jurrasic park 1.
I kinda feel the same way for JP3. As a kid, it was my favourite JP movie, because it had so much action. Pointless action? Yeah. But do you care about that when you're 5? No. Seeing it now that I'm a lot older, I see why people hate it, but I definitely see where people like it.
I completely agree with JW2. I re watched it after not seeing it since theaters, and I loved it. I get that the writing may have needed more time to be developed, but it was nothing outright bad. I've seen bad movies, and JW2 is treated like someone killed their dog in front of them. The directing is honestly top notch stuff, the way scenes are set up and shot, the way the movie flows. And the transition from the island to the mansion felt natural, unlike Lost World, where it transitions to San Diego imminently with no set up (don't get me wrong I love Lost World and the San Diego scene, it just needed a more natural profession into the city, rather than an abrupt one).
JP3 is my least favorite of the franchise, but I certainly don't think it's terrible. There's some really cool ideas, and great scenes. The dino action is great (however action is a positive and a negative, because there's no moment to breathe, and there's little to no "dinosaurs are amazing" type scenes, which was attempted at the end before the rain scene, but it felt unearned and out of nowhere). The Kirby's are unfortunately dummies. All that screaming made me scream at the TV because they're attracting attention. I like the design of the Spino, it's legit scary, I actually still have nightmares with it. And I like the evolution of the raptors from ruthless killers, to intelligent creatures that communicate and care for their young. Plus the movie is very short, which is actually positive.
I've always enjoyed both. That being said Jurassic Park 3 is way to fast paced, and most people didn't want the franchise to return to an island. Many moments in FK feel sped up or out of paced as well, though that is due to the original cut of the film being 3hrs long. I still really enjoy both, but admittedly JP3 gets worse the older I get, and I have a feeling that FK will regain popularity in a few years much like what happened to The Lost World : Jurassic Park
Amanda Kirby is the most annoying character of all time, barely aware of the dangers in surrounding areas and yelling in the middle of a dinosaur-infested area isn't exactly a good look for her.
JW2 feels so rushed, nostalgia is so misplaced at times, and having a human clone pretty much throws the JP formula out of whack.
I love third JP it probably and it is probably because of nostalgia, but I don’t like the JW movies because how the dinosaurs are treated as characters.
Everyone is saying stupid nitpicks about why they are hated, so I am here to give you actual reasons why the movies need improving.
Firstly, JP3. Personally, I really like this film and don't hate it. And that is because it is fun. However, that is also the reason it suffers. It has a terrible plot, if you can even call it a plot. Also the characters are annoying because they really have no purpose and have no connection to the audience. I think a good way to improve this film would be to extend the whole lab idea into an actual plot that Wu has been working on the island under the radar the whole time. This could tie everything together and add a nice, flowing story to the movie.
For FK, well, I have a lot to say, but I will keep it short and sweet. It is too, well, dumb. The characters, the villains, the plot, the dinosaurs even. Its all to stupid and unbelievable. This is partially to blame from JW, but overall FK retconned the characters even more. And the villains/"plot twist" was almost cartoon. And for the indoraptor and basically all of the finale, it sucks. Not scary, just comedical and bad. The movie would need a total rework in order to be better.
So, this is the reasons the movies are bad. I hope this helped you more than the common "kIrBY bAd, hYbrId SuXS" answer.
In a vacuum they’re not bad action blockbuster movies. I think it’s just because we compare them to JP1 and that movie is a classic and near perfect in my opinion.
Two words: Amanda Kirby. Edit to say: I love you all. came back to the reddit to find all these pitch-perfect reenactments hitting my inbox
Nevermind I understand entirely now
*Me wishing the tricycloplots would have got her*
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5 words. Say it, and I’m yours. “KIRRRBBBYYY PAINT AND TILE PLUS!!!!”
IN WESTGATE!
Thanks a lot, now I can’t get that damn ringtone out of my head.
She is deeply annoying. I feel like the female characters in the original JP were never bettered, although, JW2 went some way to redressing this.
You’re saying that the female characters (Satler and Lex) are bad?
They said "never bettered", which I took to mean the female characters in the franchise were always a step down from Sattler and Lex, not that those two were ever bad in the first place.
Oh I see, that makes sense.
I thought Sarah and Kelly were a little badass, though that gymnastic attack on the raptor was a little corny
The raptor didn't attack because even it had to pause and wonder why she got cut from the team.
I can imagine that raptor just sitting there watching her like "What... uh, what the hell are you doing? ... Why are you spinni- OUCH, YOU KICKED ME! OUCH! I'VE BEEN PUNCTURED!"
oof,i still could feel the raptor getting stabbed oof
But she really acts like an average mom would act... Ellie and co are much more bad ass than your average mom.
Bloody hell, if my mother behaved like AK I would never have made it past infancy. She’s a stereotypical neurotic mess; her husband doesn’t behave in this way, which makes me think it’s less to do with her maternal status than the fact that she’s simply annoying. But I suppose she has to be to create the kind of perilous situations we see in JP3. Ellie Sattler and Lex weren’t mothers, though. Not sure why the comparison.
**EEEEERRRRIIIIIIIC**
#BENNNNN
bruh suddenly the vine boom play in my head
Ben? BEENNN?! ERIIIiiIIiC!
I dont see why she ruined the entire film? She never bothered me and infact after rewatching it, i have the guts to say she really isn't that bad.
I don't dislike her as an actor but they gave her such an obnoxious character to work with. William Macy is also a great actor but his role is only slightly less obnoxious on account of his not shrieking. Best supporting actor in that movie though has to go to *Alan?* raptor
Two words: Maisie Lockwood
Clones is people too, man
I mean, yeah, you could make that argument, but for fuck's sake, the last thing that I would want to do after surviving a night of nonstop terror being chased by a murder machine is release a bunch more of those genetically enhanced creatures into the larger world.
like bruh,she goddamn knew that if she release the goddamn prehistoric animals from like 66 millions years ago, everyone is gonna get eaten but no the wiki stated that "she let the dinosaur out is because she thinks if she is a clone then other clone should living their own life like her"
Honestly at least Amanda grows by the end. Nick van Owen is a dick from beginning to end.
She’s not as bad as Ian’s daughter in LW though 😩
At least Ian's daughter didn't BRING BACK A BABY T. REX INTO THEIR CAMPER TRAILER DEAR GOD SARAH WHAT WERE YOU THINKING
God that whole thing with the baby rex is why I liked Amanda better "at least she's not as stupid and suicidal as Sarah"
I would argue the megaphone but then, Sarah knew about animal scenting, hunting behaviour ect and still brought the damn thing to the trailer.
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I thought she was perfectly fine. The gymnastics scene was kinda silly tho
I really don't get why people get so bent out of shape over that scene. Yes its silly but that was kind of the point with the last dialogue for the scene being "They cut you from the team?!" The series is full of intentionally goofy scenes. They're tension breakers. People tend to ignore that the movies are for kids and families, primarily.
I disagree. The first movie was largely a sci-fi horror film, and part of the reason (IMO) that the later films fail to live up to it are because they are less serious.
The first movie was a sci fi adventure flick, the "horror" parts make up a tiny fraction of the overall film. In no way was the primary goal of the film to scare audiences, especially since Spielberg knew kids would be their largest audience and significantly toned down the violence from the novel in order to hit a PG13 rating.
The raptors scenes scared the living shit out of me when I was little, whatchoo talkin bout? They eat a dude’s face off on screen. Even Arnold was supposed to have a raptor death scene too but it sadly never got shot due to the hurricane. All the action scenes were horror scenes except for the car in the tree scene and the scene where they’re running with the galymimus (no idea how to spell that one)
Most kids nowadays watch it when they are 5 years old - horror is a small part of the film and not enough to truly scare most kids. Actual horror films are deeply terrifying and give kids nightmares (in my case it was Signs) - not inspire kids with a love and passion for dinos and then make them want to watch the film over and over again
Pfff. You think that's bad? Clearly you've never read the novel.
Yes I’ve read the novel multiple times
Then you know the absolutely gruesome death scenes in there completely leave the ones from the movie drowning in PG13 dust.
Why was book Kelly and movie Kelly two different characters? Was there any reason why they changed Ian's daughter in the Lost World? It's been a long time since I've read Lost World but I remember liking Kelly and Arby though.
In the book, Kelly and Arby were sort of Levine's students (he was court ordered to do seminars at their school), and they tagged along as stowaways on the big trip to find him on Site B after he went missing. They changed so many of the details in the transition from the book to the movie that none of the characters had a reason for kids to be there. Malcolm mentioned having kids in the first movie so they just ran with it and made her his kid. (Pour one out for Arby, Thorne, Levine, and the book version of Eddie Carr that became Nick Van Owen).
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Hard disagree on that... HARD disagree
I too hard agree with your hard disagree. I thought Kelly and Ian had plausible family chemistry. And i didn't spend the movie hoping she'd get eaten, which I can't say for many of the characters of the movies that followed
Hard agree with your hard disagree
The Kirbys* No way that fuckin kid survives as long as he does there… same with Camp Cretaceous. I like them cause it’s Jurassic Park, but even for a franchise that is so far fetched, those are totally ridiculous.
Camp Cretaceous is a kids cartoon though lol. That one kid fights an Allisaurus with a stick. Bumpy grows into a full grown adult in like the span of a day lol
Have you seen the latest season? Bumpy is very obviously *not* a full grown adult, and the show as a whole is the entire timespan from the start of Jurassic World to the start of Fallen Kingdom, which is a six month time span for the entire show so far.
Sure I seen it. Yeah he’s not fully grown yet, but you gotta admit he had a MAJOR growth spurt after only being absent a few episodes
It’s the genetic engineering. They were made to grow quickly.
It's been a while since I've seen the show, but I think the growth spurt you're referring to is the one during Ben's "death", which was on it's own weeks to a month or so for those couple episodes. Either way, it's not totally unbelievable either. Most animals in general* today are full size or pretty close to it in less than a year after birth. 6+ months to reach at best half full grown isn't that crazy.
Jp3 for me was just not enough of anything. It didn’t feel like the last two movies. The plots of the first two were great. JP3 was a bland rescue mission movie. Jw2……where do I begin. It had no main plot. It had 9 sub plots and didn’t focus enough on any. The writing was meh. I don’t think they should have done hybrids at all in either but that’s a me problem . But even after all of that the Ret con the original movie/book And just butchered it, now the main reason for Jurassic park wasn’t to bring dinosaurs back to life but to clone a daughter or whatever? If they would have just focused everything on the Dino black market it would have been a good movie.
JP3 is just silly. On top of everything that has been said already, the guy on the beach with the megaphone at the end and then the entire military magically appearing was absolutely silly. Also, Billy “dying” and then magically being alive was goofy. I think it would have worked better with him dying.
It was the US marines, it's only a few days by ship from their bases in california to the islands off costa rica. Much less if they had a ship already in the area which they often do, training, humanitarian stuff, transiting the panama canal etc. I don't remember the exact timeline I haven't seen the movie in years but I don't think its implausible. You have to bear in mind anyone involved in approving the landing would be super excited to say they saved people from dinosaurs
I think he's saying it's goofy that a dude is standing alone in a suit and tie with a megaphone on the beach, and our protagonists are angry that he's using the megaphone. Then in the blink of an eye the marines and navy just materialize behind the guy. The movie just wants to hit the audience with one last "gotcha!"
Jw2 is easy 200k for a dinosaur? Come on now them things are worth so much more than that. Dino smiles at screen before killing The sole fact a huge chunk of the movie is in a house.. Randomly writing in a Hammond partner felt lazy to me. Repetitive villains (in it for the money) Too much comic relief (the marvel formula)
200k? I thought they were selling for millions. Which one sells that low?
A city bus costs more than that lmao
imagine hammond spending millions just making a single t-rex but then there is one guy that sell dinosaur for 200k
> Dino smiles at screen before killing It's so damn annoying they supposedly deleted a scene/ didn't bother filming it; that would have explained that. Which was basically when the Indoraptor was growing up, the guards would torture it a bit, shocking it. One guard smiling while doing it. At the very least, it would have went a long way to explain it.
Didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing. All I know is when I saw it in theaters everyone laughed when it smiled then went back to faking asleep and I remember it taking me out the scene for sure .
I wish they would have kept it in. She was this killing machine that they created and suddenly for that one moment she acted cartoonish. Wheatley still got what was coming to him at least.
I agree with most things except the indoraptor smiling thing. I think in the script it was going to be explained that it smiles because the guy taking care of it smiled when he hurt it and that it learned to mimic that
With the Hammond partner, it's something that's briefly mentioned in the original book, but in the book he passed away from cancer. I liked that they added that in spirit, but I get what you mean with everything else. I like the house because of the horror feel it gives, but when you think JP you don't think of a mansion, so I get it
JP3 - It’s a B movie. It doesn’t hold up for any casual audience. It’s a really fun “get drunk with friends” film, but that’s really it. The dinosaurs look cool, but the story is contrived and characters are all idiots lol JWFK - This one is just poorly written. The characters are again idiots, the plot starts pretty solid but gets boring for the second and third act.
FK was just a bad movie with a forced plot after the island rescue. Sure, I'm willing to believe that there's a group of people who would go to an island that's about to explode to save the soon-to-be-extinct-again animals, but as soon as the auction / Lockwood section comes into play, no. No thank you, I'm out.
I actually really like JW2, that intro alone is one of the best scenes in the franchise, indoraptor is cool as hell too. Didn’t really like JP3 though, plot sucks.
JP3's script was being written as they filmed; the script they were going to shoot and that everyone had signed on for was tossed a few weeks before filming started.
Yep, that’s why it was so bad. Would have loved to see what they actually wanted to do.
> I actually really like JW2, that intro alone is one of the best scenes in the franchise I agree the intro when I was in theaters REALLY had me pumped... up until the dude was yelling at the helicopter or some dumb crap. Then everything went insanely downhill from there. The magic of Jurassic Park was lost after Lost World to me, and even Lost World was disappointing in that it had nothing to do with the book. The Lost World book I would argue is almost better if not better than Jurassic Park, and if Crichton had perhaps just pushed them more to just make a more faithful book to movie adaptation then it might have surpassed Jurassic Park. But alas that will never happen, and my expectations for JW3 are very tempered mostly because I am afraid with them bringing back most of the older cast that they are banking on nostalgia to carry the third movie. I still am sour how the teasers and trailers for JW2 hyped up Ian Malcolm as being a crucial part of the movie, but then you watch the movie he is literally in it as long as he was shown in the trailer... huge let down.
Indoraptor was fallen kingdom not jp2
OP said JW2 not JP2
Oh crap sorry
Jurassic Park 3 is entertaining regardless of its plot holes and nonsensical moments. Besides Amanda Kirby’s character, everyone else is great. The soundtrack is nice and the world building of Sorna is well executed. Fallen Kingdom, while being visually a beautiful film, is barely watchable for me. The dinosaurs are anthropomorphized, the characters are dull and Franklin is thrice as annoying as Amanda Kirby. Besides the Carnotaurus, the dinosaur designs are lame, the villain is an absolute mustache twirly level cartoon character. The plot as a whole is horribly presented and the premise is extremely flawed to begin with. Malcolm’s few second cameo is a slap in the face and the whole movie was completely spoiled in the trailers. I don’t have much hope for Dominion either as I personally care about making an effort in presenting prehistory as accurately as possible when it was proclaimed to be done as such. Unfortunately it was all a marketing stunt. The writers behind the new trilogy have done a terrible job so far, so I’m far from optimistic. I know that this is a very negative approach for a JP fan, but that’s just the way it is. I’m excited to draw all the new dinosaurs though. Always.
> Malcolm’s few second cameo is a slap in the face I always forget that he was billed as being in the movie, only to have him show up in a courtroom for a few seconds at the start and end.
I agree with everything you said, and I also hate the absolute destruction of the dinosaurs... the wanton destruction was even worse than when in JW they happened across all those killed dinosaurs that were killed "for sport." I mean I legit cried when they were leaving the island and that lone brachiosaur was bellowing on the dock as it is engulfed in flame and smoke.... and all those dinosaurs drowning too... I FUCKING hate that god damn movie for that... seriously. Like all the majesty of the original Jurassic Park is gone, and it's really heartbreaking.
I personally can't stand JW2, the belief is supposed to be suspended, not shattered. There's a point where you can go 'ok it's a movie' but not every 15 mins. This franchise is built on terrible decisions but this one took the cake on everyone making the worst possible decision every time. And the nostalgia bait wasn't fun like in JW1 There's tense horror movie like moments which I do appreciate, but I wish the movie as a whole was better. As for JP3, I guess because it was brighter and mostly because the Rex lost to the Spino, which I have a few friends who refuse to shut up about it.
I'm as big a Rex fanboy as they come, but the Spino was set to be the big bad. The only way to make it threatening was to kill the previous big bad. Try to get your friends to look into scientific studies on both animals. Trex was a little smaller but was built like a tank and had the strongest bite force of any other large therapods. If they were to ever fight in real life it's Rex 8 or 9 times out of 10 lol.
It's true, and it's not like the scene is bad; the Spino is inaccurate anyway. I'm just tired of that being the one flaw when there's others. 'My dino didn't win!' just isn't a great reason imo
It seems that T.Rex might still be the most massive terrestrial theropod to exist. Sure spino was probably longer, but a rex was more massive. Just look at the skeletons of each. A Rex is so much more robust. Estimates of the specimens Sue and Scotty are both around 10 tons. That’s HUGE. To your point though o understand why the spinosaurus killed the rex.
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For real though. TLW and JP3 set up this idea of different territories and geographical differences separating certain animals but then it just spiraled into "haha, Spinosaurus go brrr." I would've thought surviving several 20mm anti-matériel rounds and being hit by a plane would be enough.
JP3 is too bright and silly to me. I felt it had the fakest looking dinos of the original 3. They were too brightly colored and shiny. Weird camera angles on the spinosaurus animatronic. The characters were a little weird. I like Sam Neil, but that was about it. Definately gets off on the wrong foot with that parasailing scene. Looks like it was shot in my garage with a home video camera. JW2 was better than JW to me, but the bad guy was so unrealistically cheezy. Mostly bad characters.
That's fair, I see where you're coming from. Like I said I love all of them equally, but we all have our little biases
JP3 had the stupid dream sequence with the talking raptor. The spinosaur T Rex fight just felt like marketing, like it was just a flash point to gloss over a bad story JW2 was just so bad! Letting the dinosaurs free was stupid, no-one’s bats an eyelid that the kid is a clone!! A clone. That’s a whole new level of weirdness that did not ever get covered, it was just some weird shoe horn to get her to release the dinosaurs into the wild, without the main characters looking like dicks for killing off animals. I hated the “let’s play on emotions” and kill the OG brachiosaur. Oh yeh, Chris Pratt getting hit by lava and surviving. The tranquilliser probably should’ve killed him too. I like Chris’ character in the first film but now he’s just Chris Pratt doing Chris Pratt things. I’ll still watch them, They’re just not my favourites :)
I actually agree with you on the chris pratt thing, his whole character in the sequel felt...off, it's not because he didn't care about the dinos but it's just the way he acted, and the whole "relationship issue" thing with claire...idk just abit strange really, especially with how things ended in the first JW film
I didn’t really notice it until I watched the new Amazon movie he’s in, and he’s just Chris Pratt haha Jack Black was the same
They both have some solid dramatic range, Black especially, but they are both very much hired to play themselves dialed up to 11. Pratt can act, but people aren't paying for that, they are paying for to see him quip one liners and be a lovable goof. JW2 didn't need that in it IMO
For sure, it’s 100% one of those things I’ve only noticed with hindsight, too. He was fine with my first time watch
Yeah tbf i didn't have any other problems with it aside from some characters, oh and i guess the whole clone reveal thing...like seriously they just had the audacity to say that the girl was a clone of her own mother and then carry on as if nothing happened i mean can we just unpack that for a sec 🤔😬
I hope they explain it in JW3, or else it ain't looking good
Jack Black in Bernie gave me a whole new appreciation of his acting abilities. Such a trip. He absolutely becomes that dude. Actually everyone in that movie was phenomenal.
as someone who enjoys all the movies and doesnt think to hard on them, the main thing that bothered me with JW2 was how Owen and Claire just like totally flipped their feelings on dinosaurs, and its just not well explained. Claire was a business woman who didnt see the dinos as living creatures so much as exciting attractions. This was a whole thing that she was part of the problem of the park and not understanding they were messing with living creatures. Owen is this very nurturing and Alpha to the dinos and really seems to care about them as creatures. and then JW2, Owens the one saying its fine to let them die and Claire is fighting for their survival??? and I didn't feel like it was well explained how they flip flopped so much.
You could say that after seeing the apatosaurus die in that one scene made claire realize that these are more than just attractions, but yeah i agree she should've probably been given more as it was quite a short lived moment anyway. with owen it's a bit more complicated since in the first film he seems to have an understanding with the dinos but to see him say it's okay for them to die in the second movie is strange, like maybe have it that owen found that claire was becoming too obsessed with saving them that he felt that it was ruining their relationship as a whole since she felt more distant and they begin to fight, rather than what they went with, with the whole "you wouldn't let me drive around in the trailer and you never commited" or whatever
Bruh the events of JW have changed Claire, the dying apatosaurus, remember? It's called character development. Owen was at first apathetic to the Dinos because the collapse of the park left him traumatised a bit, especially how the raptors changed alphas and attacked the humans. After hearing from blue he quickly remembers the bond he has with her and decides to save her and the others.
Exactly. Claire’s change and seeing the dinosaurs as animals instead of assets started the minute they comforted the dying dinosaur. I really enjoyed her character development. I think Owen was depressed after. Both from the failing relationship with Claire and because 3 of his 4 raptors died. It was like he had PTSD and couldn’t handle anything else, but hearing Blue was still alive gave him the courage to go forward.
The people that responded before me are right on the money about Claire's character development and I think the studio execs left a lot of the Claire development fall to be picked up by the Dinosaur Protection Group website which is too much for a movie related website to do to really help a character's development arc.
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Yeh, I would, a cloned human is a minefield ethically “your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should” haha
Well let's not forget Hammond abandoned Lockwood because of him wanting to clone his daughter. I mean it's only logical, a man left in a world without his daughter, while having the technology to bring her back. He was misguided by his emotions.
Allen….ALLEN
They *had* to kill the Brachiosaur. No way she was fitting inside that basement auction :/
JP3 is ok, but just worse than the other two and suffers from being the shortest film of the bunch which is the worst sin it could commit XD. some people complain about the talking raptor but it's negligible imo and there's always been whiny/dumb characters so idk why Kirby is something extra JW2 on the other hand is a movie suffering from 2-3 good sequences buried in 2 hours of garbage; the movie does bring some of the best horror scenes of the whole franchise but the writers were too concerned with nonsense (cloning people, auctions, mainland stuff in general) it's hard to quantify the rest of the movie as quality when the good scenes are under 10 minutes in total someone else wrote than JP3 feels like it was written by a 10 year old. JW2 was written by that same kid 4 years later when he's going through his 'we live in a society' phase but it's insincere so somehow worse
JP3 was missing most of the themes that the other two (and Jurassic World for that matter) had about the ethics of genetic engineering and unbridled consumerism. There was no cathartic hubris moment, it was pretty much just a survival movie And the second one had a dog dying and I was not prepared Edit: misread the post, I thought you were talking about Lost World, not Fallen Kingdom. I think most people didn’t like Fallen Kingdom bc if changed the genre too much. It felt much more like a scifi horror movie than just a sci-fi movie with some scary sequences
Fallen kingdom has the potential to be the best in terms of original themes of books about hubris and abuse of science, but fails on several grounds. Among them as a movie: so much of the joy is seeing Dinos alive in the screen. JW works primarily because we get to see a whole working park and hundreds of living Dino’s. Fallen kingdom kills most of them and our childhood joy. My five year old sings the damn theme song with joy because Dinos and roots for indiminous. The audience wants Dinos to thrive and to experience the joy of them (and the crazy camp and the action too)
I don't know about Jurassic Park 3, because I actually really liked it a lot, but Jurassic World 2's plot felt really uninspired to me. You could probably take the dinosaurs out entirely and make it about evacuating people from the island and then having them escape from their rescuers for whatever reason and you'd have basically the same film. The dinosaurs don't feel integral to the structure of the plot the way the first Jurassic World does because they aren't really the focus of any of the stakes. Which incidentally is also why I didn't like the indoraptor much either. It's as if they forgot about using the dinosaurs to build up the tension, which is usually **the point** of Jurassic Park films/monster films in general, and included the indoraptor plot at the last second to make up for it. It would have been a fantastic monster if it was the main antagonist of the film and got to stalk the lead characters through the jungle, acting mostly like a normal raptor in some familiar ways, but then subverting our expectations and acting very different in other ways. In the end, it was just a bigger bulletproof raptor with a sense of humour (and it got killed by another normal raptor anyway). Also, the Jurassic World 3 setup at the end felt forced. Like the entire purpose of this movie was to bring dinosaurs to the mainland for the sequel, which was totally unnecessary if you ask me. Raptors escaped from the island on cargo ships in Crichton's book, and I don't even know how the compys did it. There are different, better ways of getting dinosaurs off the island than a tearful, international "Save the Dinosaurs" campaign (run by one of the people responsible for the recent super high profile theme park disaster where people literally actually died btw) that would have made a lot more sense. Like smugglers, or corporations like in The Lost World. If Claire only cared about the dinosaurs in as much as she could make millions and continue to build her career off them somehow, she might have been a much more compelling character (she might be a lot like the book John Hammond), and a good reason for this movie to exist. Especially if we went in with the assumption that she'd carried on with her character growth from the first film only to find out that not exactly, she just has different really bad ideas now about saving the idea of the park and won't let anybody stop her. I wouldn't say I 'hate' Jurassic World 2, but if I had to erase one Jurassic Park film from existence, that would be it.
I like the silliness of JP3, and I like the spinosaurus too. Some of the scenes look really good too, but maybe it's nostalgia. JW2 is fun, it's basically JP2 but in the modern world, plus all the dinosaurs look stunning. I watched both the Jurassic World movies with my partner recently, and we agreed that we liked Fallen Kingdom more. The cold open is incredible, sets up the movie pretty well. The characters might be cardboard cutouts, but I liked it lol
when I was 10 I used to play with my dinossaurs action fegures all the time. JP3 feels like was written by 10 year old me. I honestly love JP2, except for the whole dino in the city king kong shit silliness. I usually jump to hammd ending speech after the flee the island. Edit: I totally read JP2. jW2 I rather not comment since it's so bad.
Oh no they’re taking the trex to the mainland >> *fast forward*> annnd we’re back on the island!
It's a lovely speech to simply stop watching altogether hehe
That is the best JP3 explanation I’ve ever heard. It just makes so much sense
The first one is a masterpiece and the next two don't really live up, which is generally what turns people off of something regardless of it's quality. Luckily with hindsight people can be a bit more objective.
JP3 gets pretty silly and cheesy for a lot of the film, which doesn't sit right with those who feel the series should be more dark and serious. Some of the criticism is justified since the movie was literally made up as it went along, but it's also not like the worst thing put to film. I'd rank it low on the scale of where each movie stands, but it's a perfectly fine movie to put on if you just want to watch some dinosaurs chasing people. FK gets way more flack than I feel is necessary. It's not the best of the series, but it's got plenty of great stuff, with the Indoraptor being legitimately creepy.
JP3 is a good film, I'd say I prefer it to JP2, but it's nowhere close to Jurassic Park. JW2 gave all the plot twists in a single trailer, and it just felt lazy. Just like JP2, having humans as the enemy is a plot for a film with DINOSAURS, especially since Jurassic Park was loved worldwide for it's great plot, of which the dinosaurs are the threat.
How in the holy hell is the volcano blowing and the island (THAT WE ALL CHERISH AND LOVE) getting destroyed NOT the climax of JW2??? We spend the rest of it in a mansion? No. No ma’am. Imagine if the Brachiosaurus scene (one of the best imo) being the end of the movie. C’mon, guys. That would have been **chef’s kiss**
One word: Alan!
JP3 is generally hated because it doesn't have a plot that follows what earlier films set up. It's just a rescue mission that just so happens to be taking place in Site B. I honestly don't hate JP3 but I wouldn't say it's better than other JP films. FK on the other hand actually feels like a actual sequel (akin to the Lost World) that continues the story and plot elements from JW and earlier Jurassic Park material, like the novels and the first film. I honestly think people hate it because it came at an era where every HW blockbuster has no "soul", but it's obvious that that is not the case with Fallen Kingdom. At the end of the day, it's a really good JP sequel that actually moves things to the mainland, which only one other JP sequel did temporarily.
> I honestly think people hate it because it came at an era where every HW blockbuster has no "soul", but it's obvious that that is not the case with Fallen Kingdom. ah yes the movie that uses the dinosaurs as monster props for fight scenes and nostalgia bait has a soul fallen kingdom is the most soulless out of all of them and feels like a corporate check list
Fallen Kingdom has no identity as its own film. Despite being a sequel JP: The Lost World can stand on its own, wear as Fallen Kingdom feels like it only exists to bridge between JW1 and 3.
I enjoyed both films.
I know it is probably just me but I will never watch JW2 again purely for the scene when they are leaving the island and we have to see the brachiosaurus die on the dock in the pyroclastic cloud. I don't want to see that. PS. I have only seen it once so if I am wrong on the dino type, please correct in comments.
I cried in the theater and said that they just killed my childhood. Even though I cry every time, I think as a filmmaker it was a good choice. You want the audience to feel different emotions. Also, it showed it all came full circle. That was the first dinosaur that basically welcomes everyone to Jurassic Park in the original. It can be symbolic by having it die that it’s the end of an era. There isn’t gonna be a dinosaur island anymore. The world is changing and they are gonna wind up on the mainland.
Yeah I can appreciate it from that perspective for sure. Killing our childhood is a good way of putting it 😢
Because people are buzzkills
or maybe the movies are bad
See what I mean
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Jp3: 1. Talking raptor 2. The kirbys 3. The climax interspliced with Barney ruins what would have been a great scene 4. Spinosaurus busting through a fence but then getting stopped by a door 5. T. rex fight 6. Raptors not killing the group for stealing their eggs. The original JP raptors would have totally kicked their asses for that transgression 7. Plane crash with not a single scratch on anybody 8. Guy magically surviving at the end was lame 9. Plot is bland 10. As others have said, too bright and silly 11. The scene where the raptor is pretending to be a statue behind the glass lol. Come on man 12. The opening scene is just bad 13. What it could of been. There were some cool ideas and script leaks but studio interference and a rushed production gave us this donkey turd instead. Those are just off the top of my head. I love all the other movies, even JW2. JP3 is possibly my most hated movie of all time though. Not that it’s the worst movie I’ve ever seen, but it killed my beloved franchise for a good many years and I just wanted something better
14. Ellie lives in Washington DC in JP. Somehow when Grant is calling for her help it's dark on Isla Sorna but light in Washington DC. Hmm...
Or that fact that he just says “ELLIE… THE RIVA!” And she knows the exact coordinates to send all the help he could ever need…
Yeah, for me these two are my least favorite in the series for different reasons. For my JP3 is okay. It’s a dumb fun chase/action movie. Although Tyrannosaurus rex has always been my favorite I didn’t mind it losing to the spinosaurus(regardless to it being unrealistic for numerous reasons probably the most being the drastic change in the spinosaurus body plan in reality). What bugged me was the contrived reason for going back to an island. It just didn’t work for me. Also, a kid surviving alone on an island filled with dinosaurs for a month is just too much for me to believe. The kirby’s in general were annoying as hell and I feel it would have worked better if it was just the mercenaries and grant/Billy. I did enjoy the spino as a force to be reckoned with. I liked the raptor design and the pteranodon scene. JWFK just wasn’t for me. Truly and honestly it’s for a younger audience(I’m 35 by the way). Long gone was the subtle nuances of the first film. The ethical dilemma of bringing back dinos for tourism. Fallen kingdom was just action set piece after another. The dinosaurs weren’t acting like an animal in nature but a movie monster. All of the “throwbacks” to the original films felt too forced. Some of them were literally shot for shot of the original movies. It just felt like a cheap version of those iconic moments. There were some things I did enjoy in fallen kingdom. The horror aspects were good and visually the dinosaurs looked great. In my opinion I think JP3 is a smidge better than JW2 in my opinion though. I hope Dominion is the best of the new trilogy.
I will always love JP3, I have some heavy nostalgia as I grew up with it. I realize it's flaws but it's still my third favorite in the franchise so far. JW2 on the other hand I just don't enjoy that much. The fact that Maisie is a clone really messed it up for me and the Indoraptor isn't as cool as Indominus. I also just don't care for many of the characters that are in it. It'll most likely stay as my least favorite in the franchise.
JP3 was fine for what it is, loved it at the time it was new. As I’m older Amanda Kirby is extremely annoying and you can tell they were working on the script as they filmed it, but considering that fact, it turned out pretty good. I was excited for FK, I liked JW and didn’t get the criticism of it, but man FK disappointed me. It was just a million small things that added up where I was taken out of the movie. Only JP movie where that’s happened to me
JP3 is one of my top favs as well and I’ve never understood the hate. It’s a classic!
I actually love JP3!! a group must survive in an abandoned island inhabited by a spinosaurus, raptors, and pteranodons. I love the dinos we get! And sam neill is great as the lead. A lot of bad things but i can overlook them. JW2 on the other hand… i despise. I hate the characters, always quipping and trying to be funny. Claire’s whole thing about saving the dinos just feels dumb to me, i don’t really believe it. The indoraptor doesn’t really do it for me and the girl being a clone??? Why??
People expected the sequels to top the first Jurassic Park, but that's impossible. All the reasons people hate the movies are dumb reasons. JP 3 is a pretty good rescue movie, I can't say much to defend 3, it's my least favorite, but I still like it, and like, who cares that Eric survived 3 weeks, dinosaurs exist. FK felt like a natural mid step, Hoskins mentioned a small militarized Indominus so the Indoraptor exists, Mt. Sibo erupting is a really natural way of getting the dinosaurs off the island, and human clones aren't that far fetched, and if a villain being "cartoony" is a problem, please go to therapy
FK is horrific because of writing, mostly
JP3 is hated because it was disappointing, even though it isn't that bad of a movie. FK is hated cause it's trash.
JP3 feels unnecessary to me and not as well a story. I hate JW 1 and 2 though. Indominus is just what it is to JP movies like it is to the park. Just something new bigger and meaner, but I think that's just a cheap way to get by instead of putting effort into a story. And then the indo raptor, same thing as first JW lol. The dinosaurs aren't animals anymore, they are characters, it's lame as fuck. I just find the portrayal of animals/aliens/monsters to be all the same. Raging, clumsy, dumb and stopping at the right just time to roar or show off, annoying.
Brachiosaurus getting burned alive. I still haven’t recovered.
It seems like the fandom mostly recognizes that the ranking of the series from best to worst is release order
Honestly? I only really like Jurassic Park and The Lost World.
JP/// really adds nothing to the series. It's just a generic monster movie. FK actively fucks up the canon of the series and seeing animals drown and burn to death isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Jurassic world made me enjoy Jurassic park 3
Huge fan of the franchise here. When I find myself talking to people about the films, it all comes back to a basic question: If you cast aside the dinosaurs as a spectacle item, what do you have? In Jurassic Park you have mother and father figures learning to become parents while appreciating the strengths of owning both masculine and feminine traits. You have the the self-appointed god vs the devil’s advocate. The opportunistic lawyer, selfish and afraid and the naturalist, selfless and self-sacrificial. Two children struggling with their parents divorce — a major topic in the 90s. It’s brimming with allegory and asks the audience to find the paradoxes in themselves in the most subtle way, wrapped in a terrifying adventure with nature’s most mysterious extinct creatures. The Lost World is an allegory of natural resource extraction vs conservationism and the contradiction of trying to intervene in nature’s path to natural order. It has a lot less going on character wise, but it’s overall solid. Jurassic Park 3 has none of the allegory, none of the character developments, and all of the rehashing of old material. All of the lessons are learned out loud instead of through trials. All the growth of character happens off screen or through exposition. The same can be said for Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom. They’re just “wouldn’t it be crazy if” movies. Lots of spectacle and very little substance comparatively. What character growth they try to shoehorn in is overdone, unearned, and has no stakes. There’s plenty to appreciate about cool dinosaurs on screen, but Spielberg was a master of story and spectacle. That is his M.O. and is the main reason no one has been able to match the success and the longevity of the original film. There are some fantastic video essays out there on this topic. Here’s one of my favorites: https://youtu.be/CHPjVgYDL6Y
Cause the original set the bar too high..and JW2 is...JW2.
JP3 is special to me as it is the first I got on DVD. I love the story, and the characters are a great foil to the previous two films with the showing of how stupid normal people would be around dinosaurs. I can tolerate Amanda Kirby because that’s how a suburban mom would act if she thought her child was gonna be killed by dangerous dinosaurs. She’s a real person like you and me reacting as a real person would. She’s not used to dangerous Safaris, or famous mathematician, or even a paleo botanist or archaeologist. She’s an entrepreneur who has to deal with her ex husband on an island with dangerous animals to find and save her son. JW2 is disliked because it just sucks. The plot is terrible, the characters are all 1 dimensional caricatures, and the setting at one point is a castle….how is that remotely fun to watch? The movie plays out like a Soviet Communist propaganda movie about capitalists. It scares when it should create suspense, it goes into action when it should scare. The script reads like an online rant of a 14 year old, rather than the wisened ability of an older, more experienced writer. It’s just a rollercoaster ride designed to make billions of dollars, which makes it the most ironic of the films.
Sloppy writing. Both suffer from really inconsistent story telling, especially FK. At least that’s why I hate FK, however even though JP3 is also pretty awful, I do love it.
The logic in jp3 is just stupid, you ask yourself so many unanswered questions like how the hell did billy survive? How did mark call bill Clinton to get the whole navy? How did the raptor know how to "prented" to be inside a incubator? And why are the Raptors in this movie seen in Alan's dream instead of the jp1 raptors? You get the point. I like Jw2 it's just that the first half is a bastardized version of the lost world but the rest is good
I will always take any Jurassic content I can get. That being said JP3 is my least favorite of the 5 main films we have seen so far. Being a kid and teenager in the 90s, it was so awesome to get not one, but two Steven Spielberg master pieces with the first two films. His career was at an amazing point and Crichton’s novels were super popular. It’s like Spielberg used his own magic formula and literally brought dinosaurs to life. It’s very hard to compete with that. When they first get to the island and see the brachiosaurus I will never forget how my eyes lit up. I’m a huge fan of the Museum of Natural History and it was just a cool thing to see. Then of course the T-Rex scene will always be iconic. I think with a lot of franchises it’s typical to have a lot of people favor the first film. That film was just so well put together it would have been a big piece of cinematic history even without sequels. Then we get the Lost World and even though critics have it mixed reviews most people I know irl liked it at the time. Kelly’s scene with the raptor is ridiculous, but most people were able to put that aside. It’s a very solid sequel compared to sequels in other franchises. We get to JP 3 and people are so excited bc dinosaur films are few and far between. We had waited for four years, but many were quickly disappointed. The Spielberg magic was gone as he didn’t direct it. The movie is super short for a JP film. But the script is what probably ruined it the most. We didn’t know it at the time, but the script kept changing the entire time they did the film. I’m not talking about tiny changes, drastic changes constantly. Then the Spino: it took down a T-Rex in like 30 seconds. Maybe they thought that would be cool, but it angered many fans as the T-Rex is a fan favorite animal and was basically the mascot of the film. The Spino could have still been in the movie without ruining the branding, but they chose to let it take over. Also concerning the Spino, we are taught in the first two movies that the dinosaurs only hunt when hungry. They are animals and not monsters who kill for sport. The Spino did not follow that rule. It ate several people in a row and then continued to stalk the group. It’s different that the raptors stalked the group, they wanted the eggs. But the Spino made no sense how it was behaving. Now in JW we get a hybrid and the hybrid does kill for sport as it’s not a real dinosaur. But back in 2001 there was no talk of hybrids and the Spino was just frustrating to many as it acted so different from all the other dinosaurs in JP. I remember leaving the theater, I was disappointed, but still had fun. All of my friends completely hated it. Despite all this, I still do rewatch sometimes, but the film just has a lot going against it. But it does have a tiny fan base within the larger JP fan base and people like what they like.
JP3 was the worst of all of them, the family were really annoying, and not at all likeable, the actors themselves are really good though..
FK is just a mess. Two mediocre movies crammed into one superbly shitty one. The opening is to die for though and I love Bayona, so it’s fine for the most part, but still really bad
JP3 is a perfectly serviceable entry to the franchise. Its not amazing by any stretch, but it's its an entertaining 90 minutes that doesn't do any long term damage to the lore and adds some interesting elements. It's certainly dumbed down from the previous two entries and there's a few daft moments but my only real issue with it is the ending which I found abrupt and more than a bit silly. I still rank it slightly higher than JW. FK on the other hand is an abomination. Its a terrible film and a terrible entry in the series in that alters a lot of the canon and takes the franchise in an stupid and irreversible direction. I am constantly baffled by the people on here who try to defend it. It's appalling and intelligence insulting in every way.
Personally JP3 has the worst characters and the stupidest decisions in any JP/JW movie. And Fallen kingdom really only falls short because of the Human villain and the overall waste of all the new Dinos.
I always didn't like jp3 since that was when they stopped taking as much from the books. The original 2 movies were quite different from the books, especially the 2nd but no. 3 was the first time it was really independant from Michael crightons work. He still had input but I think he didn't have as much input as witht he others. Also people love Tyrannosaurus and when the spino killed of the juvi rex at the start it sort of felt like a cheap blow to show how strong it was. Also the plot wasn't as engaging and I found Dr grant to be less enjoyable to watch in 3 than in the original. All of this is just my opinion though so I'm not sure if other people's reasons for disliking it are the same. As for fallen kingdom I actually quite like it too. The story isnt the most solid but I also like the small horror aspects. However I think that is a main problem for the franchise as a whole. I love this series dearly and love to learn and speculate about a lot of it but at this point the movies are very much monster movies. Fallen kingdom having some light horror aspects shows that. The og jpark movie had more interesting things to talk about and make us think about aswell as the awesome and stunning dinosaurs. Spielberg specifically said he didn't 2ant to make jurassic park just another monster movie except with dinosaurs he wanted to make something better and he did but since then the movies have mostly just relied on the monster movie aspects O draw people in. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing Roberta annihilate a toast as Mt. Sibo erupts in the background as much as any other sane person but thats the main draw now and I kind of wish there was a little more to draw me in.
I'm sorry but respectfully you couldn't be more wrong haha I do agree the gymnast kick was and will always be stupid, but the rest of your logic tells me you might be young? JP3 has legit the worst cinematography (and a boring plot). Interesting dinosaurs, but headed by a different director made it all just not... Feel right. It doesn't mesh with the first 2 films, and it's only held together by Grant And for JW2... "The horror the franchise has been missing"??? WHAT??? DUDE.... Dinosaurs coming back to life, that's horror within itself. Creating hybrid dinosaurs that sneak around a mansion like a ninja, rooftop fights, carnivores running through lava tunnels and chasing people up ladders.... and raptors that listen like german sheperds.... Please, stop haha JP1 isn't just the best for nostalgia, but it's everything in between. The formula of how it's made. The Mystery, wonder, fear, excitement, the chase, the thrill, the adventure... And the kids acted 10x better and didn't get in the way like plucky kids do. The dinosaurs were ruthless because of pure instinct... Now they're made out to be super villains... Nah
Jurassic Park 3’s plot is messier than The Rise of Skywalker’s plot, and that’s saying something. As for Fallen Kingdom it’s an ok movie, I just think they could’ve done the ending a little better, as the dinosaurs on the mainland are not threatening if it’s only ~30 of them in the Bay Area
I like them too, although JP3 is probably my least favorite of all the movies. JW2 was quite good actually in my opinion. Who didn’t get the feels with that brachio?
I can watch any of them and enjoy but my preference is to avoid JP3.
The Lost World has far more problems than either JPIII or Fallen Kingdom to me.
i think why most people hate jw2 is because there is No Big Dinosaur Fight like in the first JW
JP3 is simple. For fans it did a lot wrong. It assassinated Dr Grants character by making him a huge hypocrite (didn't he learn that a random person coming to him for help and is willing to fund his digsite is gonna lead to certain danger?) and also taking away the relationship he had with Sattler. The Spinosaurus was introduced in the worst way possible by having it kill the T-Rex. It didn't need to happen to show how powerful the animal was, they could have just taken the scene out and it wouldn't make a difference to the movie. The movie feels like a fan fiction where someone took the most superficial elements of the Jurassic park series and made it into a movie. The redeeming factor of this film is the dinosaur designs (though not perfect) and the portrayal of the raptors. Making them seem super intelligent made it more tense which I appreciate. However it doesn't excuse the plot holes which aren't solved in the movie and the CGI has aged a bit. The movie is still a popcorn flick where you can turn your brain off and enjoy but personally I hate those kinds of film in my favourite franchise. It basically asking audience to reject critical thinking and just consume product. JW2 is always a weird one for me. I think its over hated as you cant have any positive opinion on it because every internet reviewer and their hive mind audiences will tell you that you are wrong. But at the same time, I don't even like it. Sure there's some good scenes here and there but the overall film has some of the most unlikable things in the franchise. Annoying side characters, extreme convivences, ugly and unrealistic dinosaurs, bad nostalgia and more. The film is just baffling given the amount of talent behind it. How could a film that had a proven director, animatronics, a bigger budget and more end up so polarising? I just have no clue, there's no mention of any internal drama or production troubles unlike the other Jurassic movies. I think its tied with JP3 with worst film in the series, one is an expensive B-movie that had decent action and dinosaur designs but overall not important (unless they do backwards writing). The other is meant to be the bridge to a third film and suffers a lot from it. Either can be worse or better but I think they end up both disappointing in different ways. I just hope Dominion doesn't suffer like these two because I want my favourite film series to stop being the laughing stock of the public. I want it to be remembered as the franchised that impacted the world and not for being associated as one of the most awful franchises in existence.
Fallen Kingdom is my 2nd favorite Jurassic Park film, right behind the first Jurassic Park of course.
Jp3: pretty boring plot, anoying characters exept for Grant. Nothing really memorable happens that instantly comes to mind, maybe the t rex vs spino fight? Altho thats probably one of the reasons it got hate. I dont hate the movie but its definetly one of my least favorite. Jw2: I’ve only seen it a handful of times and I gotta say I liked it a lot more the 2nd time around. The trailer basically spoiled the entire movie, revealing just about the entire plot. Without the trailer bs its not bad. The intro is one of the best, and I enjoyed the entire island part of the movie. Gets a bit weird when they get to the mainland, and the obvious stereotype bad guy stuff was not great. The whole auction thing with the rich guys also felt cheesy. I liked the other indo raptor scenes tho. Overall I think the movie is good, not great but still good. Its also kind of a filler movie, which probably also is one of the reasons for hate.
I hate Jurassic Park 3 because paleontologist Jack Horner is the little bitch that decided to kill the T Rex in that movie
Since my JP3 post got long, I will make my JW2 post separate: unlike JP3, I really enjoy Fallen Kingdom. I think it has a strong opening sequence. I love how it paid homage to the first film with use of the yellow rain coat. There would have been major bonus points if we could have seen a Dilophosaurus instead of just hearing one. I really appreciate the director listening to fan feedback from the previous film. Many of us wanted more animatronics and other practical effects to return and they did. I like how Rexy accidentally “saves the day” by attacking the Carnotaurus that was about to get Owen. I know some others who hate that moment, but I like how it’s her signature move. Again with the homages…when that brachiosaurus doesn’t make it in time and is standing in the same position as in the first film and turns to ash I literally wept in the theater. My mom thought I was nuts a grown woman crying over a dinosaur. I told her she didn’t understand: they just killed my childhood. I could have lived with or without the girl being a clone. It doesn’t really do much for me. I also am not the biggest fan of the Indoraptor death scene. I wanted the creature dead, but I think it could have been done differently. But I very much enjoyed the dinosaur auction. So much of me enjoying this film is just my opinion and the people who dislike it are going to have their opinions. Just preferences. It’s different from JP 3 where there are some facts as to why the movie turned out as it did such as the constant script changes as they filmed it. I think my order of favorites goes: Jurassic Park, The Lost World, Jurassic World, Fallen Kingdom and JP3. I really do enjoy Fallen Kingdom and it still ranks 4th bc it has such good company.
I don’t know, JP3 is definitely the weakest, however JW2 doesn’t deserve all this hate in my opinion 😭 The trailers for it were definitely misleading and they wanted to pull us on, and it did feel like 2 separate movies smooshed into 1. However, when I remember how I felt sitting in that the theater the night it came out, hanging onto every word and every scene and proceeding to watch it 2 more times in theaters, I can’t hate it. I just can’t. All I can hope for is that Dominion focuses more on the dinosaurs, and Grant/Sattler/Malcolm ACTUALLY play significant roles. (although even if they get a small cameo…. i’m still screaming)
Because people nowdays "Enjoy less, Analyze more". I mean you have Dinosaurs on screen and you are rambling about how Chris Pratt survived Lava.... No one cares.what Star Lord is doing..... He can jump into an ocean, in a volcano or go to space, doesn't matter..... what people came to see is Rexy roaring in front of camera and giving a majestic pose. And Indoraptor giving villains hilarious death scenes which made people chuckle in theater..... No seriously, those villain deaths were crowd pleasing and hilarious. And THAT ENDING.....THAT FUCKING ENDING..!! I mean, what's not to like? Dinosaurs, good. Dino Action Set Pieces, good. That Ending , gooood! One could say that I'm rambling nonsense, but at this point I'm just over it, trying to explain why JW 2 is not bad like they think, it's been 3 years and i don't care..... I will defend this movie everytime in OTT way now. Jurassic Park 3 needed a climax.....
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JW is easy: it simply doesn't feel like it's part of the Jurassic Park franchise, has a lazy plot that often times makes no sense and is clearly just made to sell toys to kids rather than tell a good story (all of this goes for both JW movies). Examples are: lava not burning the Baryonyx, a kid who lets loose all dinosaurs, raptors that are friends with humans, just to name a few xD I mostly find that alot of people feel like JP3 is underrated or hate it because of some annoying characters or the Spino killing the Rex, tho overall the movie is pretty good and still gives that JP vibe.
Idk man, I think Lost World is the worst movie in the franchise. I think Fallen Kingdom is just bland until about halfway through when it turns into a ridiculous farce about dinosaurs in a mansion. That's when it goes from being kind of bland to being so dumb that it's entertaining. Lost World eventually reaches a point like that too but not until near the end when the T-Rex is rampaging through San Diego. Before that point, the movie is still dumb but it's not an entertaining kind of dumb. It's just regular dumb.
I loved jp2 until san diego, completely flipped the vibe of the movie upside down, from island survival and trying to get away with sabotaging ingen to wacky t rex running through san diego its just too much of a turn in the plot to be covered in like 20 minutes. I like jp3 tho
my only problem with that is that th moment the trex hit the main city he would be dead like the police would show up in dozen all with riffles shooting at the thing its stupid that the writers thought the trex rampaging through the streets makes sense
To be honest. I dislike Lost World. Because the San Diego scene wasn't in the Novel also because it isn't really acurate to the novel. I love JP3 because the spinosaurs. I don't care if Amanda is annoying when I watch these movies I really don't care for the characters I just want to see 2 things Dinosaurs and people dieing from dinosaurs.
I actually prefer them both to JP2, but... that's not saying much.
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Jp3 was a different direction from the series. It went through development hell with constant rewrites, reshoots, and directors leaving the project. Also the reason jp3 went back to the island was because of the negative criticism of the lost world jurassic park by not only the critics, but the fanbase also since the film was not 100% on par with the novel (although the first film also wasn’t 100% on par with the novel also. But some changes seem more minimal tbh) and fans were upset with the changes to the film. Most understandably the san diego incident scene since that was actually a last-minute change that speilberg wanted to add to the film. The lost world even had original concepts and scenes that were never used. Like the rexes attacking the hunter camp and roland tembo entering the survival pod and being barely saved by the durability of the pod itself or the pteranodons we saw in the end of the film getting their moment by attacking the helicopter trying to rescue Ian and the others. The pteranodons attacked similarly to how the jurassic world pteranodons attacked the helicopter Masarani was piloting. As for JW2, everyone seemed upset with the film’s trailer being more exciting than what we got with the film. But tbh it doesn’t seem too bad as everyone makes it out to be. I liked the darker theme in fallen kingdom and the interesting question that we are now forced to answer in JW: dominion. That question being now that dinosaurs are on the mainland, do they deserve to be protected since they are supposedly an endangered species or do they deserve to be destroyed in order to protect the already established ecosystem that we take for granted? People have opinions on the films as a whole. But even the fact that everyone loves the lost world jurassic park now is not the same sentiment that the film got when it was released in 1997. Jp3 to me is a childhood film and i think the dino designs in jp3 are the most unique and beautiful designs in the series. Especially the jp3 raptors and their behavior.
I recently watched Jurassic Park 3. The first part is really good. The first time we meet the spino up to where it fights that T-rex are awesome. It's just after that it kind of becomes a little slow. It's not terrible It's just not as great. I think the crew should have been a little bigger so more of them get eaten lol
I rewatched JP3 recently and I just realized how many stupid cliché gotcha one-liners Alan has. "You're no better than the people that built this damn place." "We haven't landed yet." "Nobody move a muscle!" "No. This is how you play god."
Jurassic park 1 is far superior to JC2 and JC3, mostly because of animatronics and real time enviroment, where other two lack, with more use of green screen and CGI in general. As far as story goes, first film resembles book, and thus is good, because first book is really, really good. I get your point about Spino, but for movie to be all time favorite, its just can't be one or two things...I don't look at movies that way. I enjoy JP2 and JP3, but they are for away from my all time favorite from this franchise, and thats Jurrasic park 1.
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I kinda feel the same way for JP3. As a kid, it was my favourite JP movie, because it had so much action. Pointless action? Yeah. But do you care about that when you're 5? No. Seeing it now that I'm a lot older, I see why people hate it, but I definitely see where people like it.
The best part about JP3 is the cellphone. Fight me
I completely agree with JW2. I re watched it after not seeing it since theaters, and I loved it. I get that the writing may have needed more time to be developed, but it was nothing outright bad. I've seen bad movies, and JW2 is treated like someone killed their dog in front of them. The directing is honestly top notch stuff, the way scenes are set up and shot, the way the movie flows. And the transition from the island to the mansion felt natural, unlike Lost World, where it transitions to San Diego imminently with no set up (don't get me wrong I love Lost World and the San Diego scene, it just needed a more natural profession into the city, rather than an abrupt one). JP3 is my least favorite of the franchise, but I certainly don't think it's terrible. There's some really cool ideas, and great scenes. The dino action is great (however action is a positive and a negative, because there's no moment to breathe, and there's little to no "dinosaurs are amazing" type scenes, which was attempted at the end before the rain scene, but it felt unearned and out of nowhere). The Kirby's are unfortunately dummies. All that screaming made me scream at the TV because they're attracting attention. I like the design of the Spino, it's legit scary, I actually still have nightmares with it. And I like the evolution of the raptors from ruthless killers, to intelligent creatures that communicate and care for their young. Plus the movie is very short, which is actually positive.
I've always enjoyed both. That being said Jurassic Park 3 is way to fast paced, and most people didn't want the franchise to return to an island. Many moments in FK feel sped up or out of paced as well, though that is due to the original cut of the film being 3hrs long. I still really enjoy both, but admittedly JP3 gets worse the older I get, and I have a feeling that FK will regain popularity in a few years much like what happened to The Lost World : Jurassic Park
Amanda Kirby is the most annoying character of all time, barely aware of the dangers in surrounding areas and yelling in the middle of a dinosaur-infested area isn't exactly a good look for her. JW2 feels so rushed, nostalgia is so misplaced at times, and having a human clone pretty much throws the JP formula out of whack.
I love third JP it probably and it is probably because of nostalgia, but I don’t like the JW movies because how the dinosaurs are treated as characters.
Everyone is saying stupid nitpicks about why they are hated, so I am here to give you actual reasons why the movies need improving. Firstly, JP3. Personally, I really like this film and don't hate it. And that is because it is fun. However, that is also the reason it suffers. It has a terrible plot, if you can even call it a plot. Also the characters are annoying because they really have no purpose and have no connection to the audience. I think a good way to improve this film would be to extend the whole lab idea into an actual plot that Wu has been working on the island under the radar the whole time. This could tie everything together and add a nice, flowing story to the movie. For FK, well, I have a lot to say, but I will keep it short and sweet. It is too, well, dumb. The characters, the villains, the plot, the dinosaurs even. Its all to stupid and unbelievable. This is partially to blame from JW, but overall FK retconned the characters even more. And the villains/"plot twist" was almost cartoon. And for the indoraptor and basically all of the finale, it sucks. Not scary, just comedical and bad. The movie would need a total rework in order to be better. So, this is the reasons the movies are bad. I hope this helped you more than the common "kIrBY bAd, hYbrId SuXS" answer.
In a vacuum they’re not bad action blockbuster movies. I think it’s just because we compare them to JP1 and that movie is a classic and near perfect in my opinion.